Comments by "DeoMachina" (@DeoMachina) on "Tom Nicholas"
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@josef10101010 "WRONG! Fascism isn't Capitalism, someone lied to you badly, bruv."
No, incorrect.
"Fascism is a from of Socialism, not Capitalism"
False.
" that's the definition given by Benito Mussolini himself"
Let's make one thing absolutely clear: I do not care what fascists think. Fascists are monsters who do not deserve any recognition of their cognitive activity. You might as well ask the opinion of a locust.
"Therefore, it is a methodology for achieving Socialism."
Elaborate. What do corporations have to do with socialism? There's no socialist theory I'm aware of that makes this connection.
"Captitalism is individual ownership and the right to own capital under the spirit of the pursuit for free enterprise, thus it's name."
No, this is incorrect. I highly recommend looking long words up before you use them.
Capitalism is when ownership of the means of production is owned by capitalists, a class of people who employ workers. Hence its name.
Your definition would mean that all civilisation from 2000BC onwards was 'capitalist'. That our economic system hasn't changed once in thousands of years. Do you want me to explain why that's wrong too?
"I fail to see how Fascism = Capitalism."
You've made that much clear, yes. I will explain.
Capitalist nations always enter into economic crisis eventually. Over the past 200 years capitalism has been bit with an eternal cycle of boom-and-bust, there's always a recession on the horizon. This puts a lot of pressure on capital to protect itself. It starts by rolling back worker's rights, trade unions and democratic rights. As the crisis goes on more and more desperate measures are taken, until capitalism has been replaced fully with fascism.
This is the blueprint that every fascist nation has followed. It's always a reaction to the panic of capitalists.
Ask yourself: Why would so many nations that were the enemy of socialist countries like PRC, USSR and Cuba etc ally themselves with fascist countries if they were the same? Isn't it odd that Pinochet was a friend of the UK and USA despite being much more brutal than Castro?
"Answer me this, what does your Aunt and Uncle's actual independent mom and pop shop (actual Capitalism) have to do with Facebook and Pfizer"
Okay, here is the answer:
All big companies were small companies, once. McDonald's used to be a mom and pop restaraunt, just one. If you made all the giant corporations disappear tomorrow, they would be replaced by small companies growing into the space left behind.
What did you think? It's not capitalism when companies get big? It's not capitalism when companies influence the state? Bro??? This is a capitalist state! Of course capitalists are using it to their advantage!
What do you think an economic system that allows the hoarding of wealth is designed to do? This is literally why capitalism was invented!
Even if you took the government away, made it much weaker, do you think big companies wouldn't still have a massive advantage?
Because if you weaken the state, the big companies become the strongest force in the nation! This actually happened in some countries and they went to absolute shit!
"Neither are Corporatism or a Corporatocracy, these are merely stepping stones to corrupt Capitalism towards Fascism"
Sounds like you're just trying to cope with the fact your favourite economic system sucks ass my dude. The fact is there's nothing you can do to stop capitalists from doing these things. The only thing to ever stop them historically has been abandoning capitalism.
" Socialism (which is in itself just a modern form of Feudalism)."
You're genuinely just saying words at this point, not even getting into what feudalism actually is. You don't care.
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@josef10101010 "So you just conveniently block out the literal true definition of Fascism"
I'm just saying that you fail to understand what fascism is, because you listen to what fascists think. What you need to understand about fascists is that half of them are liars, and the other half don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about. Their opinion is worthless.
"Lol, nope. Capitalism is from"
How about we just skip to the part where you look it up? Literally just type in "define capitalism" into google, there you go. Done. Not up for debate.
"you'd have to have gone to college to say something that stupid, only a Marxist fake-professor could've indoctrinated you with drivel like that, XD"
I didn't go to college, do they only have dictionaries in college where you live?
"Although it was mostly marred by Feudalism, Slavery and the Ruling of Royalty over the majority of people"
We did not have feudalism in 2000BC.
" People didn't have the same level of human rights and freedoms we have today, the main one being CAPITAL, you know being allowed to actually OWN your property, your business etc"
People owned property thousands of years ago, too. See, you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.
History lesson over, I'm right and you're wrong.
"All of those faults you listed there have got absolutely nothing to with Capitalism but with Fascist Corporations and Corrupt Government Officials"
Weird how capitalist countries keep having that problem over and over again huh? Almost like there's a link between capitalism and being unable to maintain itself.
"No it's the Blueprint that every Socialist/Communist nation follows as it corrupts Capitalism from the inside, slowly turning it and subverting it"
Name a single socialist nation that 'slowly turned' capitalism. You can't. They all established themselves via sudden revolution and conflict.
" As for why they allied with the Fascists, because it was beneficial at the time as they had closer to a "Hardcore" stance against Capitalism"
I see, so the UK and USA allied with facist Chile to fight capitalism? Big, if true.
" Try to stick to the actual argument, Capitalism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism etc, the actual ideologies not people and nations that can be corrupted by rotten ideologies."
Ah, so you don't want me to prove you wrong with historical example. Let me think about it.
"You aren't even addressing the actual difference in the comparison, all of those huge Fascistic companies are there because of conflict-of-interest policies made by lobbied and/or corrupt members of the government, not ONLY because they kept "working hard"."
Wow, so you're saying capitalism just lets that happen and has no defense against people with lots of capital spending that capital to make their businesses grow?
Sounds like you just admitted to what I've been saying! Thanks for playing kid, glad you learned something.
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@josef10101010 "Lol ok, here is the contextual definition of the word Capital "
I don't care, this is not what you were told to look up.
"Here is the definition of Capitalism for you:
a way of organizing an economy so that the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) are owned by individual people and companies rather than by the government"
Nice, so you admit that my definition of capitalism is correct and yours is wrong. Congratulations, we're getting somewhere.
Incidentally, do you know who popularised the term capitalism? It was Marx!
"Nah, the royalty owned property, and allowed occupancy, but the people didn't own their property to the point that they actually have recourse to protect it fairly in a just court of law."
Legal systems did exist in ancient times, we know this because they're literally in religious texts from the era. This is basic stuff you're fucking up here, and for what? It's not even important!
"Lol, that's cute, you think you can pout, fold your arms and then just claim success, hahaha, XD."
I mean feel free to prove me wrong on anything I say, if you think otherwise.
"You yourself said Capitalism eventually get CORRUPTED into Fascism and agreed that Fascism is the centralized control of power under a small group of people, well that is what Socialism is"
Okay, so now I have to explain to you what socialism is too? Because it's literally the opposite. There's over a hundred years of books written about just this one concept.
Socialism is not "when government runs things". Socialism is when the working class run things. Hence the name!
"None, because that's how messed up Socialism is"
Cool, so now you're contradicting...yourself? You reading your own posts there son? Or are the hot tears blurring it out?
How about you just pretend you were trolling the whole time? That would be much less embarassing for you.
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@josef10101010 "Well you should care, if you care about definitions cause its the word that capitalism is based on"
No lol, it literally doesn't matter
" which literally lines up with the definition you just gave"
Wow, whole lot of words just to admit I was right all along! Thanks, glad to see you no longer believe capitalism is when trade occurs.
"Nope, wrong again, that's the propaganda definition Socialists feed to the people so that they can just come into power."
You say this, and then contradict yourself later. Are socialists tricking people or forcing their way into power? Pick one lmao
"Socialism is literally all property and means of productions exclusively falling under ownership of the State"
Nope, wrong again.
"If you had any common sense or actually lived under and survived an actual Socialist country you would know that this is the biggest con-job in existence"
What happened to not talking about countries and historical examples? Wow, you abandoned that idea pretty quickly. Interesting how you don't want me to talk about what actually happened, but you want to abide by a different rule?
"You were the one who just asked me out of the blue which Socialist countries slowly turned to Capitalism and then stated that they all break out of Socialism through violent revolution, before immediately changing to Capitalism"
Is English your second or third language? The biggest barrier here is that you genuinely can't parse anything you read.
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@epicduckrex994 If you think fascism and communism are even comparable, let alone equatable, you're mistaken.
Fascists have written a lot of theory? Yeah, so have Star Wars fans. Whatever you think about Marx, he clearly took what he was doing seriously and wrote critiques of his own past works because he saw what he was doing as a science.
Fascists on the other hand only write for reasons of propaganda, they'll say that they want to preserve X, or that Y is how they'll do it, but what you need to understand when analysing fascism is that they are all, to a man, liars.
That's why they always contradict themselves, that's why nothing they do makes sense. It's not meant to. It's at its core nothing more than a death cult.
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