Comments by "DeoMachina" (@DeoMachina) on "How The Media Promotes Transphobia" video.

  1.  @The_Greipist  "I just use my eyes like most people." Just so you know this has led to plenty of cis lesbians being accosted or even attacked in public
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  2.  @joao3547  You got it backwards. I get to do what I want, Rowling is trapped scrolling twitter and namesearching herself all day, every day, forever. I'm happy, and she is not.
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  3.  @AlphaNumeric123  "Abnormalities exist, genetic variance exist" Oh, you knew that? Why did you start talking about gametes and chromosomes then? No answer? That's okay, we'll let it slide. I'm not trying to embarrass you. All I want to know is the part you keep talking about, the part that can't be changed. I'm really curious what it might be! Don't keep me in suspense.
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  4.  @AlphaNumeric123  Every part can't be changed? That's plainly not true, our bodies change a lot over our lifetimes. Clearly some parts change and some do not. Why can't you answer the question? You keep saying sex can't be changed, but what is the part you're referring to? ...you don't know, do you?
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  5.  @AlphaNumeric123  Gamates? Are you sure you know what those are? Because they're not in every cell in your body ahahahaha Chromosomes? Those aren't consistent either! Plenty of women have XY chromosomes and live totally normal lives. Sounds like you didn't do the research 🤣
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  6.  @AlphaNumeric123  But as you've already acknowledged, chromosomes don't confer your 'sex'. Otherwise, all women with XY chromosomes would simply be men. So it must be something else, right? Something else that can't be changed. What could it be? I'm sure you'll think of something eventually.
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  7.  @AlphaNumeric123  "Chromosomes confer your sex as much as they decide your species" But you seem to accept that cis women exist with XY chromosomes, and trans women have XY chromosomes...so what's the difference?
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  8.  @AlphaNumeric123  "Nor does that fact mean that they can trans species by simply saying something or feeling a certain way, right?" You might want to sit down, I have some bad news about how scientists classify different species. Yes, they literally do just decide which species are which. Always have. Think about it, we had species classification before we even knew what genes were!
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  9.  @AlphaNumeric123  That's nice, can you answer my question? Specifically, what is the part that can't be changed?
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  10. Counterpoint: It's extremely funny to mock the decrepit royal family
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  11.  @AlphaNumeric123  What's the part you can't change?
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  12.  @AlphaNumeric123  "Species get reclassified, great point genius—doesn’t mean a cat and transition to a dog" It's pretty funny I have to spell it out for you but when species get reclassified it doesn't mean a cat becomes a dog - it means we misidentified a dog as a cat. And that's all it means to be trans - to say that you were misidentified at birth.
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  13.  @AlphaNumeric123  ""Women are born with genetic defects, so that means you can change your genetics by a performative utterance"" What are the quotation marks for? Who are you quoting? It's a little bit odd to randomly start quoting people I haven't heard of, not sure what you're trying to prove there.
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  14.  @AlphaNumeric123  "Same logic applies to your sex. You might not identify with this label, but you can’t change your biological reality" Very interesting that you keep comparing this with race, which is a wholly abstract concept not based on genetics. Sort of like you keep making my point for me, but you don't realise it?
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  15. Slight correction: Trans people exist all over the world and there is centuries of evidence proving it
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  16.  @wolfzmusic9706  You're right that I should spend less time online But in this specific case, I'm not trying to change their mind. But other people scroll past this and might learn something, I've noticed that some people are supportive of trans rights but do not yet have a well-developed understanding of the subject; my hope is that some people reading this understand that the science is on our side too
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  17. 'dimwitted' Hey real quick, which side is the one that has been panicking about kids identifying as cats again Oh, oh it's yours?
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  18.  @ashleyc506  There's nothing you can tell her that wouldn't also apply to a subset of cis women, your options are either to accept trans women as women, or tell some cis women that they're actually just men
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  19. "and yet.. school placed a litter box in restroom for student who identifies as a cat" This didn't happen. You need to ask yourself why you believe it happened.
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  20. "No, trans people do not exist" You're wrong by definition "Some humans do grow up hating something about their bodies" Dysmorphia isn't a prerequisite for being trans, you should know this " I have researched this topic extensively over the past three years" This is a lie, the fact I can skim your ramblings and clock such basic errors proves it. "Being skeptical of claims is not hate" You're not actually applying scepticism. "When asking this side, "How is gender different from sex?" if the only answer they can give is, "Well, it's how a person identifies," then no, that is not sufficient for the viewpoint that "trans" is a thing" Mmm yeah three years you say? Suuuure kid "My grandmother "identifies" with the mountains of her home country. Is that her gender now" How about you ask your grandmother what her gender is, moron
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  21. "Saying that only women have a cervix is correct." Scientifically speaking, no.
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  22.  @sarahbenzaoui  Incorrect actually, do some reading
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  23. 'communists have taken over in the USA's schools' Complete fucking brainworms
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  24. Do... do you know what a subset is
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  25. All words are made up, genius
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  26.  @Scott_Inksmith  Trans women get softer and weaker after HRT, though. People are just sore losers lmao Also, we've had trans atheletes for a long time and they're not exactly dominating the score boards, I don't think its as big a deal as people make out.
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  27.  @Scott_Inksmith  Nobody 'nearly died', she had a cracked orbital and concussion. That's not even unusual in MMA.
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  28.  @thebibleonline7419  If patriarchy is biological how come so many laws need to enforce it?
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  29. "there may however not be any truly appropriate therapy for this specific problem being utilised at the moment" Giving them equal rights and allowing them to transition seems to be a big help though. "Calling it conversion therapy is dishonest" Okay, then let's call it what it is. Torture. It is torture. The courts recognise this, by the way. Conversion therapy is torture.
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  30.  @Handlegamer12360  Scientifically you could say that the general trend is that women have cervixes and men do not, that would be correct. But there are exceptions and the human body does not always follow the rules we wrote.
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  31. So I guess left-handedness and red hair should also be forced out of society? You think you'd survive a purge, Tom?
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  32. Where was this energy when they discovered the mass graves of children in Canada? Or the scale of the abuse of the church in uh..everywhere? Where were you then? Oh right, you were firmly on the side of people who support it.
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  33. "claims that are entirely detached from objective physical reality" What physical reality is that then
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  34. Actually trans people are specifically denied certain types of healthcare that cis people have access to, or they have to go through a more difficult process to get it. Even if it's for the same reasons!
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  35. @Yung Mohel The word is older than our concept of DNA and genetics though, so that obviously can't be right.
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  36.  @chragare2862  "waaah you can't change abstract concepts waaaah" Lol okay bro
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  37. If this was true, cis women wouldn't be targeted by transphobes But it's not, so it isn't
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  38. So by this logic, any woman who just happens to be strong shouldn't be allowed to compete?
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  39. You've fallen for the propaganda. Keep going like this and you'll be no different from Walsh in a few years time.
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  40. Incorrect, lots of research on trans people has been done. Overwhelmingly the consensus is that they should be able to transition.
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  41. Writing this after conservatives celebrate terrorist attacks against trans people is pretty tone deaf
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  42. If your criticism had any merit, you wouldn't be forced to resort to hyperbole at the outset. You were, in fact, forced to invent an argument nobody made in order to maintain your position. That says a lot about how seriously you have considered things. If you want to stick to purely objective facts and pretend that ethics and emotion are not factors, that's okay. All of the hard data only supports trans rights too.
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  43.  @Waltonet93  You're just swapping one word for another. "What's X?" "Oh, X is Y." What's a 'female', then? What's the objective physical reality say?
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  44.  @themostamazingguy  This isn't true, you haven't researched biology at all. Humans have more than two chromosomal configurations, we can be XXY, XXX, XYY etc. And some women can even have XY chromosomes without anybody noticing, because what matters more are the specific genes in those chromosomes. " If you do not have the chromosomes that match your appearance, then you have a developmental disease" Not all atypical chromosomes are a 'disease', think about what you're saying. Are mutations like red hair a 'disease'?
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  45. Writing this before the victims of an anti-trans terrorist attack are even buried is completely galling. You should be ashamed.
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  46.  @Viral9  Except not all men and women produce gametes, and some men or women produce both. So your statement is scientifically inaccurate.
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  47.  @avyay9818  "And if they do put in the same effort they usually have a higher max strength than biological females" Now might be a good time to remind you that trans women have been competing alongside cis women for a while and so far they have failed to dominate sports
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  48.  @blue24563  I'm not speaking hypothetically, cis women HAVE been banned for outperforming their peers. So it IS the point.
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  49.  @blue24563  Caster Semenaya
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  50.  @apothe0sis  lmao settle down there jordan b peterson "huHuhhuUhuh what do you MEAN by 'person'?"
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  51. Being biased against bigots is a good thing, though? That's generally a positive. "I am British and I do not subscribe to the philosophy (or at least some of the philosophy) that underpins a lot of modern identity politics" But you don't actually know what that philosophy is. Watch, I'll prove it: -Try to sum up the philosophy as concisely as you can.
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  52. Right-wingers have genuinely caused themselves mental illness, they got everything they ever wanted and it drove them insane
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  53. The dude subscribed to white supremacists and fascists thinks he deserves an argument and not a year in a re-education camp lmao
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  54. EZ PZ It's a social category Neeeext
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  55. Turn the chessboard around What if you're wrong? What if refusing to treat things that are treatable causes more harm? What then? Might you want to consider this poition?
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  56. "I don't feel comfortable with my wife or daughter being exposed to male genitals in female change rooms (nor do they)" Do they feel comfortable with men walking into their changing rooms? Because that's the alternative. If you push trans women into the men's rooms...you push trans men into the women's rooms. Incidentally, trans men look like you, act like you and sound like you. They're men. "My side of the political spectrum has decided that's not enough anymore, I need to tow the party line and shut up." I'd like to point out that one side of the spectrum has resorted to driving cars into crowds, mass shootings, and bombings when it didn't get its way. And it's not the left! Weird, somehow that didn't push you away from the right...somehow being told to shut up is worse, from your perspective. That's very interesting.
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  57. Oh no we got horse people mad at us now
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  58.  @Viral9  Just so we clear, in Florida trans people are being forcibly detransitioned Not that you give a shit
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  59.  @Viral9  To be kind, you don't have a notion of what you're talking about. I'm referring to incarcerated trans women being detransitioned by force. I don't know what you're rambling about.
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  60. "a woman is an adult human female" I challenge you to define this in a way that includes all women and excludes all men
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  61. That's just what being from Britain is like
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  62.  @ab-mv5mq  That's a "no" I guess?
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  63. That's because the issue is not up for debate. Trans people are entitled to equal rights, and anybody who contests this is a monster that does not need to be heard from.
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  64.  @Viral9  Oh, you mean that thing you have a high-schoolers understanding of? Yeah I imagine a lot of things in the world would seem bizarre if you stopped learning in your teens.
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  65. This isn't a rebuttal or an argument, it doesn't claim to be. Just watch the video without pausing to scribble notes down every 30 seconds, it'll be okay.
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  66.  @freakydeaky1435  Clue is in the title m8, not sure what the confusion is? It seems like you think this video should do what you started doing, going through an itemised list of faults. But it doesn't, for the same reason you stopped doing it. " I literally cannot go through the entire video and point out all the instances of unjustified claims, because I would be here for hours" You understand already - nobody would watch hours of fact-checking these extremist lunatics!
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  67. "The 'trans debate' is not about the rights of so-called 'trans' people. Everyone has rights." The point is - you don't think everybody should have rights.
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  68. By definition this is completely incorrect, it just shows you don't know what the word means.
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  69.  @Waltonet93  But not all cis women have XX chromosomes, so I don't think that works?
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  70. It's a pretty stupid 'debate', since trans atheletes have been competing for decades and nobody noticed (so its clearly not a big deal) Also, attempting to exclude trans people from sport has led to cis women being banned from their own sports, and trans men being forced to compete against women (where they're accused of being trans women who have an unfair advantage, yeah go figure)
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  71.  @Random51960  Isn't Joyce the eugenics lady I'm not sure we should be taking genocidal maniacs seriously, Allen E
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  72.  @themostamazingguy  So I looked it up and it appears to be that not all women have eggs and not all men have sperm. And not all women have the same chromosome type, neither do all men! I dunno, are you sure you know what you're talking about?
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  73.  @Ghreinos  Why are you avoiding the question?
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  74. "Is this guy insane? The whole mainstream media uses pronouns" Yeah its called the English langauge "British society is so left wing" The UK has almost zero left-wing influence in about 50 years or more "In Canada we can go to jail for misgendering someone" This is a lie. "They make it seem like the man in a dress is an actual woman and the real women are evil for complaining about him working out in a woman's only area. He could go to the all genders gym but oh no he gets off by intruding women's spaces. " Real quick, what would you say if a trans man went into the women's only area? Oh, oh you'd say the exact same thing? Lmao shut up then
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  75. Trans-affirming healthcare was carried out in Russia long before Britain offered it on the NHS, learn your own history
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  76.  @thebigragu9952  Comparing a popstar to somebody that advocates for the slaughter of ethnic minorities is laying it on a little thick imo
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  77. The video is about how the media promotes transphobia, not about how transphobia is wrong.
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  78. It's like saying "I don't hate gay people, I just don't believe they are the sexuality they claim to be"
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  79.  @Raptor810Blue  'doctors never make a mistake and it is always easy to tell what sex a baby is. I am very knowledgable'
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  80.  @Viral9  "but activists have demonized therapy" I'm pretty sure the therapists did that by utilising what is officially recognised as torture instead of therapy.
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  81.  @apothe0sis  ""defined" by other pseudo concepts. Aka not defined at all" The fact is, you're unable to offer a more consistent or coherent definition for any of these terms. You can't meet the standards you impose on others. Prove me wrong.
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  82.  @nal004  You wouldn't correct anything, the science isn't on your side. You genuinely have no idea why you're wrong.
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  83. "Gender (man/woman) is binary, biological & immutable" Cool story Chris, you should be able to tell me what that is, then? What's the biological component of gender? Where is it located? Chris? Why can't you answer Chris?
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  84. "Are you aware of the Cass report which declared affirmation therapy as practised by the Tavistock as unsafe" This is a lie. Cass herself commended those who worked in Tavistock and recommends the therapy be rolled out across the country.
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  85. how can you be both greek and a neo-nazi like cmon man
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  86.  @cjane_world  " Don't you think that both sides use propaganda heavily" No, one side uses propaganda and the other side is asking to be allowed to stay alive. " I'm not falling for either side, because they're both nuts. " Yep, you're on Walsh's side. No difference between you. "Everyone should live their lives the way they want to and leave me alone 👍" I have no time for this level of cowardice.
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  87.  @cjane_world  No, this is a lie. The police routinely assault and harass trans people, especially in the USA. Trans people are being legistlated out of existence, and that you're unaware of this means that you've fallen for the propaganda.
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  88. Why do you believe families can't include LGBT people? That makes no sense.
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  89. If you think being trans is a mental or physical problem, you don't actually accept trans adults, do you? And if you want to force trans children to pretend to be cis, isn't that going to harm them?
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  90.  @BobCassidy  The word is thousands of years old and you're whining about people using it now lmao Ask yourself why that is
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  91. So you don't think kids are people?
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  92.  @luckytanuki5449  Not transitioning is also a big commitment, so now what? If you don't give them a choice, you're forcing all those trans people to NOT transition. That's life altering.
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  93.  @JT.Pilgrim  No, sorry but you cannot cite etymology as the definition. Not how English works. (Also that's not what the "trans" prefix means anyway, go look it up) "But that doesn’t make a male female or vice versa" Okay genius, what DOES make a male or female? Go on, tell me what the scientific basis for those concepts is.
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  94.  @IanLockerbie  Yes, exactly this. You should do that.
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  95.  @ArseniyaBlackMetal  Define 'biological male' then. See, the distinction is actually far more abstract than you may believe. The characteristics you consider immutable cannot be said to be the defining features of male/female, because they are not universal.
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  96. All terms are imaginary, Jimmie. We invented all of them.
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  97.  @epicmode1621  I've linked as much research and statistics as you have, so I'd say I've met your high standards.
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  98.  @Viral9  What a bizarre reply, you ok lil man?
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  99.  @Viral9  oh damn I really got under your skin somehow ahahaha
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  100.  @patrickkirby6580  A woman is just somebody who fits into the gender role of woman, who also considers themselves as such. This is more consistent than any answer you'll get from the people who pretend to have studied biology
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  101. But not treating people also has a permanent effect, so...shouldn't caution also be used when choosing to do nothing?
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  102.  @k00lkane  "Research shows that around 85% of gender non-conforming children come to settle into their biological sex by adulthood when not given medicalising treatments" If you're going to claim research, cite the research. I recommend you read "Gender-affirming hormones for children and adolescents with gender dysphoria" by Dr Cass, which suggests that medical treatment improves the lives of trans people.
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  103.  @k00lkane  Hold on, these studies are about young children who wouldn't qualify for treatment anyway. We don't prescribe hormones to kids under 12. So while it might be true that most minors with GID desist, it's not true in a way that is relevant to those who actually get any kind of treatment. As for what Cass reports, it's true that we need to do better, but her own recommendation was that currently existing services should be rolled out in a better form. Regardless, we know that of those who do transition, very few people detransition and almost all of those that detransition do so because they are bullied into doing it (2015 US transgender survey) With that in mind, it still looks like a blanket pause on all treatment is the riskier option.
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  104. "All of Matt Walsh’s points are completely valid from a Catholic moral foundation" It is so fucking funny you wrote this just after it came out that Matt Walsh thinks people should be having sex with kids
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  105.  @Waltonet93  Why can't you answer the question? That's peculiar.
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  106. But your definitions break down the moment you try to describe a woman who cannot have children. So you're claiming that sterile women aren't actually biological women. You try to get around this by saying "designed with intention" - but that just makes it worse! Because nobody was designed with any kind of intention!
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  107. A neocon pretending to care about the lives of children after neocons murdered tens of thousands of them lmao
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  108.  @chadofthexxthcentury4741  It's so fucking funny that you in particular say this hahaha
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  109. This is like saying "oh you failed to explain what the capital of Mongolia is weh weh weh" That's not what the video is about, bigbrain
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  110.  @Random51960  The vile things Joyce says
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  111.  @Random51960  Okay, here's the quote: "“[Trans people] are a huge problem to a sane world… Every one of them is a difficulty… they’re going to need things the rest of us don’t need… so the fewer of those people there are the better.”" And correct, you won't be arguing with me. It's not up for debate. She said it.
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  112. ​ @Random51960  "If someone said “in an ideal world, fewer people would be" That's not what she said though, is it? She said trans people are a problem, and that we're better off without them. Neither of those things are true, and they're not true for diabetics or amputees either. We can easily accomodate disabled people. Nobody who contests this has honest intentions.
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  113.  @КириллБеглецов-э7ц  Some cis women have xy chromosomes though
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  114. Ask yourself how you know you are gay, or a man for that matter. That's how other people know what gender they are.
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  115. So what's a female? Not very helpful if you can't clarify that
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  116.  @themostamazingguy  "I don't know where you're getting this information but it's not science." How would you know? You have never checked.
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  117.  @Ghreinos  Are they women, though? And what if they can't develop eggs?
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  118. You're not a progressive, you oppose the rights of women and gay people.
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  119.  @theohopkins1903  This presents us with a paradox, Theo. Because if you weren't aware that Shon Faye was speaking generally, and was not referring to you specifially...that does imply that you are in fact in need of liberation. Because you're clearly sheltered to the extreme. But if you were aware, if you are in fact a fully developed adult...what does it matter if you don't need liberation? It's a general statement! And there are other cis men in the world that aren't you, Theo. What about them? So we have two options, and neither of them would lead to a normal person slamming a book shut.
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  120.  @paulharker7184  Trans people have been competing in sport for decades and don't get the magic power to win all the time that you apparently think they have
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  121.  @thenbenagcz3931  Trans women have been in women's sports for decades, if they were going to destroy it we'd have noticed by now. The thing is - they do not have any unique advantage and usually don't win.
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  122.  @thenbenagcz3931  " I disagree" I know you disagree. That's why I corrected you.
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  123.  @AnaLucia-wy2ii  You're subscribed to white supremacists, nobody cares what you think
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  124.  @thebigragu9952  Southern
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  125.  @nga88nguyen  Watch it and find out
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  126.  @joshuamartins647  What do you think puberty is
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  127. " However even as a man, I do get rather irritated when men pontificate so vehemently, lengthily and exclusively about issues which impact so fundamentally and singularly on women." What are you talking about? Both men and women can be trans.
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  128. If you genuinely cannot remember what happened a mere three years ago, you need to seek the opinion of a doctor because you are displaying symptoms of cognitive decline. In reality, Labour in 2019 was fairly quiet on this topic, the manifesto was largely based on big social projects like building homes and nationalising vital sectors of the economy. What's especially amusing is that you think Starmer is more of the same, despite the fact he's actually on YOUR side here. Again, just complete delusion.
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  129. "Similarly, defining man and woman as words describing biology" This isn't actually what you're doing, though.
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  130.  @alejandrogangotena9033  But there are cis women with XY chromosomes, you don't call them trans. Why? Because of their reproductive organs? Some cis men have female reproductive organs. But you still consider them to be men. Because biology is inconsistent and messy, any standard you pick is going to fail at some point. You can't define cis based purely on biological features without excluding some cis people. The only way to develop a model that works 100% of the time is to take identity into account.
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  131.  @KangMinseok  "but if CRT-theorists can conclude that "color-blindness" is not possible, then the logical extrapolation is that "gender-blindness" isn't possible either" That's not a logical extrapolation, you're just stringing words together like a chatbot. " No one has an inherent social gender, we are not born with it, and our gender identity is entirely reactionary in the sense that it develops as a reaction to society gendering us in the fist place. Gender is how society perceives you, gender identity is how you perceive yourself. It's all about the femininity-masculinity spectrum." This is a LOT of words just to tell me I'm right
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  132. It's not ad-hominem to call somebody mean names, that's not what it means. "Walsh’s main point is" Weird how he expects you to believe that trans kids can't possibly be sure of their identity but cis kids can Weird how he's more than happy to force kids into one type of upbringing but not the other
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  133. "Men are men Women are women" Define your terms, Christopher
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  134. "Wow. Is there any possibility, any at all, that there's a discussion here? That there are reasoned people that have nuanced opinions on this topic" If there was...would there be any need for all the lies and conspiracy theories? "It's not time for this" What a completely childish position to take. "It's not time for this" is the mantra thrown at every step of progress. If you're not old enough to remember the last time it was cynically deployed, you can concern yourself with the topic after you pass your exams.
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  135. The same procedures are freely offered to cis people and you don't care about that lol
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  136.  @Viral9  Yeah uh it's called menopause lmao Come on bro
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  137. "My ex-wife's uncle's dick DOESN'T work therefore the UK isn't transphobic!!" That's nice Dave, now try watching the video.
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  138. "My politics tend toward the principles adopted by the TERF brigade" Well they're all right-wingers so uhhhh Hey you do you, Martin Oh incidentally, you wrote this after trans people were shot dead in a terrorist attack that specifically attacked their community. You're trying to equate terrorism with 'shouting at bigots and making them upset'. Doesn't look good from an outside observer.
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  139.  @Raptor810Blue  Read it agaiiinnnn
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  140.  @Raptor810Blue  This is like saying "I don't believe gay people 'shouldn't exist', I just disagree that they are gay".
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  141.  @Raptor810Blue  I should let you know that plenty of cis women have XY chromosomes, because human genetics is complicated
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  142. @Yung Mohel You quite clearly haven't answered the questions lol. I can read the above and see that you haven't. Ironically, you're running away from questions.
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  143.  @apothe0sis  "A tacit admission that you cannot definite it" Real quick, who here keeps asking for the definitions of words?
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  144.  @apothe0sis  You don't do this when you ask anybody to explain anything else to you, though. You ask the question, you get the answer. What I'm trying to communicate here is: You're not subtle.
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  145.  @apothe0sis  "I was quite explicit that I think it is a pseudo concept and cannot be defined" And you have been soundly refuted in this regard. It has been defined for you. "You think you're a detective by noticing my scepticism?" You're not actually sceptical.
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  146.  @apothe0sis  Just all the ones you've asked to have defined.
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  147.  @apothe0sis  "Except, man/woman can be done" Do it then
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  148.  @apothe0sis  So define male and female, then.
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  149.  @apothe0sis  You define male and female as "strategies"? Conventionally, that implies conscious planning. Is that your intent? There are also plenty of people who are recognised as male or female despite not having gametes. Where do they fall in your definition? "Is this supposed to be difficult" It is not, so I am genuinely surprised to see you floundering this early. I was expecting you to slip up much later on.
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  150.  @ambientjohnny  Deflection from what? The article you post has nothing to do with the topic at hand here. So if anything, you're deflecting hahaahaha
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  151. Interesting how you consider healthcare (which was always available to children) to be abuse, but not the actual torture trans kids are subjected to
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  152.  @nal004  " 0% of woman have penises" This isn't true either, you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. "The function of our reproductive organs determines how we reproduce which determines our gender" So people who don't reproduce have no gender? If you get IVF do you have your gender revoked? Why are you so bad at this lol "You’ll notice “gender” has the prefix gen- meaning that which produces" So after menopause, women...become men? Or like, what happens? You don't know, you never spent so much as 5 seconds thinking about it. " The fact that we, humans, and every other mammal have existed to this very day proves the validity and the necessity to distinguish between the two genders" Damn sounds important Wonder why you've so far failed to figure it out then?
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  153. "(I am still against kids making permanent changes to their bodies" I got some really bad news for you about adolescence man, might wanna sit down
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  154.  @kerbalsomething2673  Okay so like 'permanent changes to the body' is sort of like the order of the day for people of that age And a lot of it isn't pleasant or necessarily desired, but one way or another our bodies are forever altered in ways we cannot control
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  155.  @kerbalsomething2673  Have you any idea just how many permanent, life-altering decisions we make by 25? People are having kids by then!
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  156.  @dariocarraresi1823  Can't believe we're at "kids shouldn't be allowed surgery" now What next, no food until you're 18?
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  157. "A minority has all the right how they call them self, but not what the majority should call them self" Ok George
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  158.  @julianfitz806  "born" and "genetic" aren't suitable words, because: 1) Your 'born' sex really is your 'observed' sex, because a doctor has to look at you and decide what you are. You might this this is simple, that nobody could confuse a boy with a girl. It's not always that simple, and doctors do not have a complex test to work it out. Sometimes, they're guessing. 2) 'Genetic' doesn't work either, since people can develop masculine or feminine traits without having the genetic configuration you think they'd need
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  159. You mean an "idea"? Yeah dude, all abstract concepts are ideas, nice one for noticing lmao
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  160.  @autofocus4556  You people learn about something yesterday and assume it only existed yesterday Literally toddler logic
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  161.  @autofocus4556  Do I need to repeat what I said lmao Hey, do you also think the world stops existing when you close your eyes? Tommy Pickles brain over here
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  162.  @autofocus4556  What are you even talking about now
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  163.  @autofocus4556  Guy who can't click reply on the right comment thinks he gets to decide who's dull 😆
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  164.  @Viral9  Is there no humiliation you won't inflict upon yourself? I'm obviously referring to the profile.
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  165.  @Viral9  I think it might be fair to assume that people subscribed to neo-nazi channels are nazis though Or are you gonna try and worm your way out of that too?
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  166.  @amanosatoshitranslates  The totenkopf is a famous nazi logo, it doesn't originate in the USA though
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  167.  @timflow9724  "then how can there be any uncertainty about what it is" Because it still doesn't always match up with your genetics, even if nothing is visibly odd So it's a guess.
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  168.  @cjane_world  We don't know exactly how many, because we're rarely checking. And we're not checking, because the concept isn't actually based on biology.
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  169.  @x_chips234  Ah, but trans women have been competing against cis women for decades, and are not on average performing better.
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  170.  @btasler  Ahahaha Imagine writing "some people are able to think for themselves" and then IMMEDIATELY writing "You have absolutely zero chance of browbeating me into changing my mind" Let me guess, you're over 50 and you spend your days watching far-right 'news'? You fully outsourced your critical thinking to anybody with a tie and fake tan on TV? Is this how you thought your life would turn out? A willing victim to the 21st century equivilent of lead poisoning? Sad! Pathetic, even!
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  171.  @mateonikolic6984  Compared to what exactly?
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  172.  @BobCassidy  " Sure, a small percentage of women are born without a womb, but they are still women because they present other markers present in women." This necessarily includes trans women, Rob.
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  173.  @charedj  Okay Joe, how about you tell me what a woman is? Please note though, I'm only going to accept definitions that include all examples of women, while excluding all examples of non-women. So no slipping in the definition of 'mammal' or something.
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  174. Being dismissing of grifters is a good thing though
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  175.  @joeknuts7912  You can tell it drives him up the fucking wall that it's this easy to dismiss him, because he keeps writing 'take care' lmao
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  176. "and also you just criticize his documentary's FORM rather than its CONTENT!" What content lol
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  177. Research would be wasted on you, somebody who couldn't even read to the end of the video title.
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  178. "Those rights though do not necessarily extend to special treatment such as state-funded cosmetic medicine and surgery" Your generic ignorance aside, it's actually very interesting that you believe a society which CAN make people feel better doesn't actually have any obligation to do so.
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  179.  @ambientjohnny  "No one has forced me or anyone else I know to be a certain way" Friendly reminder that our generation got beat up as kids if we acted the 'wrong' way.
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  180.  @CT99234  Conversion therapy is a form of torture that the British Government has been trying to ban, but has struggled to actually do so as various malcontents within the cabinet try to exclude trans people from said ban (making it legal in their case) It might not actually be banned as a result, which is pretty wild.
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  181.  @Viral9  'intention' I think we can leave god about of this one bro
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  182.  @Viral9  Ok so now you put 'god' in quotation marks but that doesn't make your position any more substantive. Your argument is "noooo our genes are trying to complete a specific goal and our understanding of the world needs to be based on thiiiis" Completely ignoring the fact that 'male' and 'female' are abstract concepts that we invented, you're trying to appeal to nature without actually knowing what nature is.
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  183. Why wait 20-30 years? This isn't a recent fad. There is a long history of trans people.
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  184. "Like don't we think that there's business men that will simply falsely identify as a woman to get those contracts and if they do, should we just end the programs or can you prosecute them, and if you can what do you prosecute them for?" Fraud, which is already illegal.
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  185.  @ThatsYOU  So what you just said is that it's actually better to refuse treatment even if it causes more harm, because there's less liability? We'll see if you're still singing that tune next time insurance doesn't pay out lmao
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  186. " casting aside the right-wing as utter bigotry" Where's the lie though
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  187.  @Viral9  " And if you imply it doesn't need a rigid definition then that poses a problem when society relies on that definition in a variety of situations." What situations are these exactly
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  188.  @luckytanuki5449  You didn't read my comment
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  189.  @Viral9  "Should we not acknowledge that people have distinctly differing physiologies and sociological tendencies that are rooted in biology and irrespective of identity?" This is a very long-winded way of telling us that you think men who very obviously aren't women should be forced into women's sports where they don't want to be
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  190.  @Viral9  As I have demonstrated, it's you who hasn't considered anything.
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  191. How come cis women are getting banned from sport, genius
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  192. lmao an actual white supremacist thinks they're not the ones on the way out Stay indoors, keyboard warrior We all know your kind aren't safe on the street anymore
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  193.  @JT.Pilgrim  "The reproductive anatomy differentiates the two" So what happens to hermaphrodites? "And I will stick with my definition" I don't recall giving you that option. I said to look it up. So look it up.
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  194.  @JT.Pilgrim  " you do realize that definitions rely on etymology." This is a lie, you don't believe it.
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  195.  @JT.Pilgrim  "sex is gender. Xx or XY. Thats it" Okay, but those aren't the only chromosonal configurations that exist. So you're still scientifically incorrect. I didn't read anything past this, come back when you've done some homework.
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  196. "In the UK we have had the largest gender-reaffirming clinic closed down by the government for endangering children en-masse" You didn't read the report, and you should probably remedy that before embarassing yourself further.
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  197. How come only one side is doing all the terrorism and murders then 🤔
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  198.  @AddingAUsername  But not all females have XX chromosomes soooo You already fucked up
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  199.  @AddingAUsername  We don't define human beings by chromosome number, so why are you asking?
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  200.  @Viral9  You're following me in threads that don't involve you, where I'm not 'slinging mud', just because somehow I got you really mad about trans people or something Was I rude or something? I'm not gonna apologise I just don't remember lol
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  201.  @Julie-qr9ow  "You cant use the word you're defining in the definition of itself. " This is a lie. "First of all women have fought very hard to be free from gender roles" They fought to have a bit more choice in which roles each individual adopts, is what you mean to say. "Second, gender roles for women vary by culture, what's womanly in one culture may not be in another, and by this logic whether or not a woman is a woman can vary merely by her location" That's correct, and falls neatly in line with my definition. "Third, there are masculine women who exist, youre definition would exclude them because they don't fit the traditional gender roles of how a woman is supposed to be." I made no reference to traditional roles, you are simply lying. "Fourth, in order to know what the gender roles of a woman are, you'd have to define what a woman is." Incorrect, I am dismissing this.
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  202.  @Julie-qr9ow  " 1. Explain to me how my first point is a lie" No. This is how it works: You make the claim, you provide the evidence. You prove to me that I'm not allowed to include a word in a definition. "As a woman, I can tell you that we fought for the choice to choose our roles and be free from gender roles" You might want to sit down for this but...that hasn't actually happened, yet. We're still in a gendered society. " You can agree with that point, but it's borderline ethnocentrist, racist, and unrealistic" If I agree with you, I'm racist? What exactly are you trying to confess to, here? "By your logic, a masculine woman in America would be a man in Sudan, or a tribal Nigerian woman of a certain tribe would be a man in the U.S. See the problem" Yes, the problem is that you are making things up. You are lying. This isn't how Sudanese or Nigerian concepts of gender work. Stop trying to misrepresent cultures. "What gender roles were you referring to then" All of them. This proves that I'm not excluding masculine women. That was just something you made up, you decided to lie. "Can you elaborate instead of just being dismissive? You can be dismissive all you want but it wont disprove my point" How about you elaborate? You think you can just write any stupid nonsense and I have to waste time slowly explaining why you're wrong? I don't feel like it. You can carry on being wrong if you want, I don't care. But you've presented no argument supporting your claim, so there's nothing for me to disprove. But you're clearly out of your depth, so here's something for you to mull over: I don't need to be able to define say, an engine to understand what the role of an engine is, do I? I don't need to be able to define a medicine to know what it's supposed to treat, do I?
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  203.  @michaelbirkett4932  No.
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  204.  @michaelbirkett4932  He's not even denying it lmao
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  205.  @thedarksandwich  Hey don't tell me, its the other guy who defines it that way
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  206.  @reharl4953  "You're just here to argue a fallacious premise with no salient scientific evidence." And where's your evidence for "basically Emo 2.0"? Oh, oh you didn't have any? Okay, well do you at least have any reasonable argument to dismiss over a century of evidence that trans people exist and aren't just a recent subculture? Oh, you don't? So you're just here to argue a fallacious premise with no salient scientific evidence? Wow, how the turn tables! "but I'll check those out and get back to you." lmao okay my dude sure you will
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  207.  @Viral9  Also worth pointing out that sex (biologically speaking) is not one factor but a combination of many factors, and there's not a single one of them that is exclusively 'male' or 'female'.
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  208. This is extremely true, in Britain people will say the most extreme, heinious shit to your face. Things that would start a fight anywhere else. But if you say "wow uhh cool but personally I think genocide is morally wrong, actually" they'll react as if you slapped them
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  209.  @sergiocrowe9848  Everything that is considered "trans" healthcare (so top and bottom surgery, HRT, cosmetic surgery, blockers etc) was originally developed for cis people. If a cis person wants those things for cis reasons, there's no problem, but somehow trans people have to jump through extra hoops to get those same procedures. In some places, they're simply not allowed at all!
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  210.  @ambientjohnny  All people are entitled to healthcare, emergency or not If you disagree, you are a monster
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  211.  @ambientjohnny  You can't define sex, so maybe sit this one out.
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  212.  @blue24563  "sex is a vital biological indicator that cannot be ignored." Are you so sure David? Explain to me where the 'sex' is on the human body then.
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  213. "The Left has GOT to get a better answer for this question or they'll be getting shellacked at every election for the next 20 years. That's why the Right use it" In case you hadn't noticed, right-wingers are just making it up. It doesn't matter what the left says, because the right will lie about it. Am I wrong? Then how come Biden is considered to be some kind of radical communist?
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  214.  @Viral9  It's only possible for you to believe this if you're asexual and have no idea what you're talking about So either wind your neck in about something you've never experienced Or stop lying lol
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  215.  @ambientjohnny  "People know they are gay because of same-sex attraction" But a man would still find a woman who appeared to be a man attractive, if he didn't realise she was a woman. Amazing you need this pointing out to you.
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  216.  @ambientjohnny  So you acknowledge that same-sex attraction isn't actually about what you said it was? Think carefully before answering lmaoooo
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  217.  @DocnoXXX  "I know what biological sex is." Cool, so can you tell me what it is?
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  218.  @DocnoXXX  Interesting, so what if an individual doesn't produce gametes, or produces both types? That doesn't fit into a binary model.
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  219.  @scouticuss2121  "the need for women's safe spaces are based on biological sex" Define this for me, would you?
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  220.  @scouticuss2121  "You could come back with "gender and sex are different"" But I didn't. I just asked you a simple question and you wrote a whole thesis trying to avoid it.
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  221.  @adilacma  This isn't a circular definition, this is self-definition. "this doesn’t help to define it in anyway shape or form" You want it to be easy and clear-cut, but it doesn't matter how bad you want things to be simple. They're not simple.
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  222. The video isn't about 'matt walsh's question' lol
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  223. So what about anybody with three X chromosomes?
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  224.  @Ghreinos  What if they don't have the organs, then? Or what if they do have the organs but not the chromosomes?
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  225.  @Ghreinos  But nobody is allowed to put "intersexual" on their driver's license or passport, are they? What are they supposed to do? I don't think you've given this much serious thought.
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  226. What if we're not liberal
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  227. That's because its not up for debate lol The transphobes have been long refuted and no longer get a seat at the table.
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  228. That seems fairly uncontraversial though?
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  229.  @theohopkins1903  It's pretty simple, Theo. You respond to a fairly uncontraversial statement with "but it doesn't apply to me, Theo Hopkins, specifically". And either you expect that the author should have known that, or you don't. Neither option gives you much reason to find argument, though.
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  230.  @theohopkins1903  It's especially amusing that instead of pretending not to have read it, you're pretending not to have understood it. By trying to be frustrating you're only telegraphing how annoyed you're making yourself. Go on, do it again :)
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  231. So sterile women aren't women?
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  232.  @ambientjohnny  You have to pretend that intersex people don't exist lmaoooo
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  233.  @MattAngiono  "And no little girl should be opened up to the possibility that a man can just change his label and enter these private places" You realise that trans men would be forced into those private places if you had your way, right? Is that what women and girls want? Guys who look and sound like every other man in the world?
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  234.  @Rekaert  "Thankfully, in the UK we aren't willing to just wave away their suffering, which is why we closed Tavistock (GIDS), for precisely that reason" This isn't true. You have not read the reports.
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  235.  @Rekaert  I mean this kindly: The author of the report praised the work done at Tavistock and recommended similar clinics be rolled out regionally. Consider yourself corrected.
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  236.  @Rekaert  "These are direct quotes from the report which according to you I have not read" Considering neither of these quotes are in the report, I find your attempted refutation bizarre. Is there another 112-page report going around or something? " the author recommended the dedicated center be broken up, and new, smaller centers be opened that were not under dedicated control, but were in fact attached to existing pediatric centers" Thank you for confirming that I was correct, but I already knew. The effort is appreciated, however. Tavistock was deemed unsafe because it was being run beyond capacity, and because it had been scaled up rapidly without enough time to re-evaluate its clinical standards. This is explicit in the report that you supposedly have open on your second monitor. You're placing far too much importance on simple things like 'we could do with more data' and 'blockers are not well-researched' as if its some grand indictment on the concept of gender affirmation. By your logic, we'd have had to reject transplants and brain surgery when they were novel treatments.
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  237. If Tom was a grifter, why would he be on the left? The money is clearly on the right. Look at how much Matt Walsh gets to pretend to care about trans issues.
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  238.  @mjh277  "With female being a well defined biological term" Oh for sure? So you should have no problem defining it then, right? And your definition should include all females and exclude all non-females...right? Right? Michael?
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  239.  @mjh277  Your definition excludes all the women who can't produce eggs, uh...honestly I expected you to anticipate this. Like, even terfs know that's what I'm going to say when they come out with this horseshit lol
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  240. So post-menopause women are men now? Should I call my mother 'dad'?
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  241.  @nga88nguyen  Just watch the video lmao
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  242.  @keyboarddancers7751  You seem to suggest it impacts women in particular. But both men and women can be trans. So it impacts both, right?
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  243.  @keyboarddancers7751  "By contrast men are completely unaffected by the practical application of trans ideology in social environments and in the cultural sphere" What? I'm pretty sure trans men are affected by being allowed to live their lives in peace and being able to access healthcare. Like..they'd notice if they lost that. " Trans ideology demands nothing whatsoever of men (and men know this which is why they're largely ambivalent on the issue)" Completely false, men on average are more likely to be against trans rights than women (who typically support trans rights) "and this is exemplified in the hugely and blatantly imbalanced focus on the way trans ideology directly and actively impacts on women and girls. " You keep stating this but appear to be unable to substantiate it. Cis women just have to..do the exact same thing they were doing before? No change appears to be necessary? In fact, now that I think about it...isn't the position that trans men need to use women's spaces asking quite a lot of women? They're used to not having men in their spaces, and you're suddenly going to tell them "No no, we have to put these guys in your spaces. We know they don't want to be here, and we know you don't think they belong here, but its for the best" Why put this demand on women when it benefits nobody?
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  244.  @keyboarddancers7751  I'm not asking you to agree with my position. I'm asking you to acknowledge yours. Why can't you do it? Could it be that you've genuinely never considered what I said before now?
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  245.  @AlexReynard  Far right lunatics whining about other people being "hateful"
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  246.  @adilacma  "makes people a less competent person (both physically and mentally)" So does forcing them to undergo permanent changes they wish to avoid. Your own logic refutes you.
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  247.  @fleetstreet11  Starmer is infamously evasive and prone to changing his position based on what his electoral calculus tells him is most effective. He's also said that trans people shouldn't be allowed to socially transition. He doesn't defend Duffield because she's an indefensible extremist who isn't worth regard. He's not a feminist ally in any way. That's why he's on your side. He's only going to do damage to women's rights, just like you.
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  248.  @fleetstreet11  There's nothing 'common sense' about Duffield either, she's just an average bigot. Not special. "You defend Starmer nonetheless" No, I said he is on your side. That's actually a complete condemnation of the man. " He is no feminist, and neither are you, yet you defend him" This is a lie. "You are on his side because both of you have been infected with genderism." You are simply ignoring what I say, interesting that you're forced to do that.
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  249.  @fleetstreet11  Again, you can't even back yourself up so you're forced to ignore everything said. That's an implicit concession if there ever was one. For somebody who posts so much, you're really inept at it.
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  250.  @fleetstreet11  I haven't attempted to defend or excuse anything, here. I simply made a minor correction to a factual error you made, and you already resort to throwing the toys out the pram. You're not emotionally capable of actually dealing with any actual defense I could present. As a kindness, I'm not going to refute your insane ideology. Like I said at the top, get some help. Differences aside you're plainly not well.
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  251.  @fleetstreet11  Incorrect. You may consider yourself corrected. We both know this is true, because you dropped it immediately after. Too late to pretend that didn't happen. You're done, lol
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  252.  @fleetstreet11  Oh, so I'm ignoring something? What's that? What am I ignoring? You have no answer.
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  253.  @fleetstreet11  No answer lmao I called it again
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  254.  @Cal_03  "because you can't actually change your biology that easily, obviously" What's the part you can't change? Like specifically.
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  255. "Can someone explain to me how transgender is not simply gender essentialism" Because that's what transphobia is. The TERFs are the ones who say that there is a specific, essential component to gender and it isn't malleable. "Also how I, as a marxist, should make an exception on my materialistic position and not view trans question as idealist liberal propaganda" Because you have no evidence that this is the case, so you shouldn't view trans people as that because doing so would be pure idealism and anti-marxist. Trans people have been a facet of many cultures across the world for centuries. The historical record proves this, if you are a marxist your material analysis should take that into account.
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  256.  @freddiesimmons1394  They absolutely all are
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  257.  @freddiesimmons1394  You didn't, actually. Sanders was never nominated to run in a general election. I get your point, but so what? You're a conservative that doesn't want to be bankrupted if you need an ambulance?
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  258.  @freddiesimmons1394  So I'm not intimately familiar with the stupid system Americans use, sue me lol "you're not remotely equipped to tell what someone else's general political leanings are" This is extremely rich coming from somebody who only votes for the most mild of social democrats when they know they can't actually win Definitely not beating the conservative allegations
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  259.  @freddiesimmons1394  "you're also moonlighting in assuming why I vote" Tell me I'm wrong. "Oh, and apparently you somehow assume I didn't vote for him in the preliminaries." Actually that's just something you made up. "How about you drop the narrative you're pathetically hiding behind" No. You're a conservative who is ashamed to admit it.
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  260.  @freddiesimmons1394  " 1)you're wrong" Okay, so elaborate. "2) primaries are not a thing that I made up" Having poor reading comprehension I can forgive, but you don't even know what you wrote lmao "3) I am not" Incorrect "Honestly, you could also stop wasting oxygen and the rest of us might be better off." Typical non-conservative thing to say mm real convincing
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  261.  @freddiesimmons1394  "what's there to elaborate" Okay, don't then. It's not important. " I deliberately included the other thing you could have been referring to in the rest of that paragraph" This is a lie. "oh look, you're once again attempting to read my mind" I'm reading your words actually "so liberals can't ever be insulting" Telling me I should die isn't really an insult, and the implication that my death would improve society is a fundamental aspect of conservative dogma
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  262.  @freddiesimmons1394  You're not progressive. "And your only response is to glitch" Can we take a moment that you're in a huff because I corrected your poor reading comprehension "Again, feel free to quit breathing." Super progressive thing to say
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  263.  @SN-pl_  You're not even posting believable statistics lol
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  264. "Anyone who isn't mentally deficient knows that a woman has a cervix" This is factually incorrect by the way
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  265.  @Viral9  Sex is also a social category, hope this helps
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  266.  @mjh277  "it allows males into spaces designed for women’s protection" No you're thinking of the transphobes. They're the ones who want to force trans men into women's spaces for 'biology' or some shit
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  267.  @mjh277  "no I’m thinking of men who want to rape women will claim to be trans just to increase access." Let's say we do things your way. What's to stop rapists from claiming to be trans men to get access to the same spaces? Ooooh shit, this is honestly the first time you thought of that huh No answer? Didn't think so
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  268.  @mjh277  I knew you'd have no answer, but for you to be so dumbfounded that you think I wrote something else is amazing I said: what if cis men pretend to be trans men? Because under your rules, trans men would have to enter the women's locker rooms. So what you're advocating for would actually make things easier for predators, not harder. Again, you have no answer.
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  269.  @mjh277  Again, pretending you don't know what I'm saying. This is incredible. Answer the question, come on! Just try. What if a cis man claims to actually be a trans man? According to your idea, you'd have to let him into the woman's locker room, right? Again, no answer! You can't answer!
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  270. Hey Gini, what exactly is it that can't be changed? Specifically, I mean.
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  271.  @alejandrogangotena9033  Because biology is not as neat and tidy as you might think. Some cis men have the biological characteristics of cis women, and vice-versa. So when you call them "man" or "woman", you're not actually basing that on their biology (which you weren't observing anyway, you've never whipped out a microscope and looked at somebody's chromosomes), you're basing it on their identity. Just like me! Only difference is that I know I'm doing it.
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  272.  @KangMinseok  Crude analysis. Gender is a social construct, but it was built (over thousands of years, not after Christianity) because we didn't know very much about biology. Now, we do understand, but culturally our thinking doesn't reflect this development. What you deride as 'gender ideology' is actually a necessary step in abandoning the old, flawed concept of gender and moving to a more scientifically-accurate one.
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  273. @강민석  "You forgot to include the justifying explanation I included with the sentence: By virtue of them both being social constructs based in perception" It's still not a logical statement. "are you just going to continue with the fallacious ad hominems?" Pointing this out isn't an ad hominem either! That's a different thing! "Seriously, do you have ANY arguments whatsoever" Why would I argue? You've already come over to my side! I wasn't joking! What you write is exactly the kind of stuff contemporary feminists write!
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  274.  @KangMinseok  " It is perfectly logical to pose that two concepts of the same nature share properties. " You haven't demonstrated these seperate concepts have the 'same nature' and you haven't provided a logical basis for your claim. " It's an ad hominem to equate my text to that of a chat bot" Comparison is not an equation, and that STILL isn't what ad hominem means. Please, please just start looking up words before using them. " nor do I appreciate conversations without substance" This is rich coming from the 'gender is the worst thing to happen since...jesus!" guy
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  275.  @KangMinseok  "There, anything I've missed" Yeah you forgot to include the logical argument part. So the two concepts are similar enough to be compared. And this means...what? And why? " in this case, you claiming my way of stringing words together (an attribute of my person) is equal or similar to that of a chat bot, instead of looking at the argument itself." You're literally copying and pasting the definition of ad hominem and you still don't understand it lmao "A great icebreaker, isn't it? : ) I can substantiate my view" Given that gender predates christianity I think you'll have a hard time, but I'll hear it out
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  276.  @KangMinseok  " if you subscribe to the CRT argumentation why color-blindness isn't possible, you will inevitably subscribe to the impossibility of gender-blindness" This is a fairly clear attempt to muddy the waters by trying to bring in another debate, which I don't feel is worth doing. Not simoteneously at least. "You're literally copying and pasting me giving you the explanation for your ad hominem and you still don't understand it lmao" There's nothing I can do to help you, here. You have the words, you're refusing to read them. "Who said anything about gender? I said gender ideology" All concepts of gender are based in ideology. In the past people made broad categorisations because they didn't understand the complex nuances of human biology. They thought they did perhaps, but that doesn't count for anything.
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  277.  @KangMinseok  "the social construct of gender is not an ideology in and of itself" I don't want to be rude, but I have to ask at this point: Is English your third language, or your fourth? Because this discussion seems to be getting dragged down a lot by you simply not understanding the words on your screen. You keep disputing what I say, only to then tell me I'm correct, then you go on to re-affirm that conclusions drawn from this are incorrect. It doesn't make sense.
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  278. ok settle down Beck
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  279.  @christopherwood157  "we must first find common ground for a solid foundation to begin logical discussion." Correct. So define your terms.
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  280.  @ImBored8141  hammertime
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  281.  @Viral9  "Cross-sex hormones are freely offered to cis people? Phalloplasty" Yes, genuinely shocking you don't know this. "Breast enhancement/reduction generally is not covered by insurance either" Yeah uh so I'm not too concerned with what insurance companies think since I live in a country where you don't get charged for crying in the doctor's office But here in the civilised world, cis men do get breast reduction surgery specifically to improve their mental wellbeing.
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  282.  @szymonzak6681  Why can't you answer the question lmao
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  283.  @szymonzak6681  They're two seperate organs and not everybody with one gets the other. So answer the question.
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  284.  @szymonzak6681  So by that standard, masculine-looking women need to go to the men's?
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  285.  @szymonzak6681  Why can't you answer the question
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  286.  @szymonzak6681  You said that it's fine for a woman with XY chromosomes to use the womens facilities, so long as they look feminine enough But you refuse to answer my question which is "What about women who don't look very feminine?" Do they use the men's or not? Why can't you answer?
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  287.  @szymonzak6681  You aren't being remotely consistent, you're still trying to cling to this notion that chromosomes are what determine your gender and you don't care how many women you have to throw under the bus to maintain the delusion.
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  288.  @rubyjeancuyler4051  "you don’t automatically deserve anything" This argument hurts you way more than it hurts marginalised groups. You have far more to lose.
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  289.  @martinda7446  Did you just reply three times? I must have upset you ahahaha You know there's an edit function right? Take a few deep breaths, then come back to humiliate yourself some more.
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  290.  @martinda7446  What is there to argue against? You're not presenting an argument. You're just making a series of claims with no logical or empirical backing and now you're whining that I pointed a couple of obvious mistakes out. One side sometimes gets mad on twitter, the other side is slaughtering people in terrorist attacks. You sit there and arrive at the conclusion that both sides are equally extreme? Sounds to me like you actually just picked a side.
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  291.  @apothe0sis  "What does it matter if they produce gametes or not?" If you're going to define male and female by gamete production, it actually matters if they produce gametes or not. It would be pretty fundamental, in fact. "The question is would they if not for time, accident, misadventure or disorder produce gametes and which would it be?" This is oddly vague and speculative. If it's acceptable for you to just fill in the blanks like this, why can't you accept when other people do the same? Your logic also fails to take into account any human who produces both types of gametes. What about them?
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  292.  @apothe0sis  "means that we can determine what the results ought to have been." Logically speaking this is a poor argument. It presupposes a binary model. Think about it - there are 118 elements that we know of, but statistically almost all atoms are Hydrogen or Helium. Do we impose this binary upon the rest of the periodic table? Do we try and work out what the other elements 'would' have been had conditions been slightly different? We don't, we simply observe what exists. This is how a scientific understanding of the world is developed - through observation. Feel free to abandon it for the calvinball concept of the world that you apparently prefer, but don't lecture anybody on what is 'real' afterwards.
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  293. You've resorted to just copying and pasting articles, all you have left
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  294.  @TomRipley7350  "So mutilation of minors is “healthcare”?" Children have surgery all the time, I had surgery as a child lmao Sometimes, kids even have surgery that comes with a risk of death. Where's your panicked squawking then? You're pretty quiet about that huh? Because you don't actually care. I know you don't care. "And no, that sick version of “healthcare” has not always been available to children" You truly have no idea what you're talking about. Hormone blockers/therapy have always been used for all kinds of treatment. These aren't 'new', you're just mad that trans people aren't being denied the healthcare we give to others.
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  295.  @nal004  Define 'man' then :)
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  296.  @nal004  "Male: living organism with a penis, testicles, and XY chromosome" You realise this definition excludes millions of men, yeah? Try again, why don't you? :) Oh, but get it right next time
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  297.  @araaraste  Good question, why ARE you trying? Because you haven't studied biology, you haven't researched X and Y chromosomes. I know this, because what we know about those things support the ideas that trans people present.
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  298.  @kerbalsomething2673  Okay uhhh that's worse. Now you don't want to deny this kind of help to only trans kids, but all kids?
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  299.  @Viral9  Transphobes really will try to ban all hormone therapy just to spite trans people, huh
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  300.  @Viral9  "including the ethical concerns around taking away a child's future fertility before they are old enough to know whether they wish to have children of their own," They use the same faux-concern to deny adult women medical procedures too, so...sorry but I've heard that one before lol
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  301.  @Viral9  Just to repeat myself, the "you'll change your mind" excuse is used to deny women in their 20's bodily autonomy. It's a moot point anyway, it's not fertility that stops people from having kids. It's the obscene cost of raising them. Like, society has bigger problems on the 'having kids' front.
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  302.  @Viral9  The point is - you don't give a fuck if these people have kids or not. You only consider this possibility when it comes to denying people healthcare. Great mindset, can't see that ever backfiring.
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  303.  @Viral9  You don't realise it, but you just exposed your own beliefs pretty clearly. You're trying to tie this into bigotry and fascism, things which are objectively on the increase. Yet by making this link, you're actually trying to equate calling out fascism with calling out your bad faith arguments. 'your movement is losing traction because you're in opposition to bigotry' is essentially a concession. Which I will accept.
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  304.  @Viral9  Citing Haidt is honestly one of the more embarassing things you've done so far lmao
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  305.  @Viral9  Can we stop to a moment to appreciate that this weepy horseshit is in response to not taking the work of some quack seriously lmao
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  306. "you cannot hate something that does not exist" People hate vampires bro
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  307. '"'"'traditional definitation""' Which is....what?
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  308.  @jonathanentwistle30  " Initially, physical indicators like sexual organs and more recently further indicators like chromosomes" Oh, you mean the things that aren't unique to either men or women? Great standard you have there. "but they have failed to offer a new definition that's serviceable" At least my definition is internally consistent lmao
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  309.  @Viral9  This is science, we don't get to ignore 2% of the collected data just because we want a simpler answer. By your standard, there are only two chemical elements. " Your definition is circular and self-defeating." Pretty funny how you didn't even wait to ask what my definition is, you just sorta decided it was wrong. Very scientific.
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  310.  @ambientjohnny  It's a social category, so I don't need to define any boundaries. Men and women know if they are men and women.
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  311.  @ambientjohnny  Men declare themselves to be men, and women declare themselves to be women. Absurd? Oh, so you refute concepts like nationality? Religion? Those don't exist either? "Weh weh weh, its abstract therefore doesn't exist waaaa"
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  312.  @ambientjohnny  I never said it was a choice.
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  313.  @Viral9  It's not a circle, you're just repeating what I said twice and pretending you're going around in circles. But the important thing is that you backed down on your junk science, so I'll take the win.
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  314.  @Viral9  "you are delusional" - guy whose response to being proven wrong is "wa wa wa that doesn't count 2% is negligable waaaaa"
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  315.  @ambientjohnny  "what is the basis for identifying as a man vs identifying as a woman" I don't need to prove the basis for qualia for them to exist as concepts.
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  316.  @jonathanentwistle30  "Someone identifies if they are religious based on whether they subscribe to the beliefs of that religion" The fact that sects exist disprove this "Someone has a nationality based on whether they have been given citizenship of the relevant nation" Historically not the case, you're confused. "These things both have very clear-cut criteria." Absolutely not, you are dreaming. " Having categories that are completely meaningless other than just being an arbitrary label that a person applies to themselves doesn't serve any purpose" Wow, I had a feeling I'd get you to agree with me eventually but you've actually gone straight to gender abolition in a single day! Yes, let's abolish gender then! "You're simply proposing we throw out the existing model and replace it with nothing" This is a lie. "This kind of soft, illogical thinking is incredibly dangerous, in my opinion" What's the danger? You have no answer.
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  317.  @Viral9  "I cited something so I win" Helps if you read what you cite, young man
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  318.  @ambientjohnny  The difference is that men know they are men, and women know they are women. That's the difference.
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  319.  @ambientjohnny  " then why does it matter whether someone identifies as a man or a woman?" It doesn't matter. Only transphobes and sexists like you give a shit about this.
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  320.  @ambientjohnny  "Based on what do they know they are one or the other" Seems like that's a question you should be asking...yourself? I'm not here to decide if you're a man or a woman. That's your job. "It seems to matter more than anything in the world whether someone agrees with a "trans" person's "gender identity" to them" I promise you, trans people just want you to leave them alone. "yet there are clear and objective facts that make someone female" Oh yeah? Name them. Go on, let's see if you know what you're talking about.
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  321.  @ambientjohnny  "Also, why are you suggesting there is some sort of difficulty telling if individual humans are male or female" You're the one who can't do it, my definition is complete and free of contradictions. Yours is not. The confusion is on your side.
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  322.  @ambientjohnny  "You, on the other hand, cannot provide a single criteria for differentiating between men and women" Already did, it's a social category that you decide for yourself. What next, you're gonna deny subcultures existing because I haven't defined 'punk' to you? Lmao
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  323.  @ambientjohnny  "wahh but how do punks know if they're punk waaaa" lmao, the idea that punks check for a 'definition' before adhering to the subculture is so fucking amazing Your talent is surely wasted here lol "Why would anyone say they are either one over the other if there is literally no difference between the two concepts?" Because from the moment they are born, they are told to?
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  324.  @stefanstojiljkovic7028  I don't feel like that answers my question Stefan but thanks for the input
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  325.  @stefanstojiljkovic7028  You just swapped one word for another word, I don't feel very informed by your answer. What's this part that is immutable? Where is it? How do you tell it apart?
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  326.  @chrisf9377  "The concept of man/woman is purely biological" Okay, so what part of a woman is the 'woman' then? What's the biological element you're referring to? Should be an easy question for you to answer, Chris. So why can't you?
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  327.  @Am-uj6qn  So what's your position on cleft lip surgery?
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  328. What is it with boomers and droning on about 'basic biological facts' they learned in a classroom 40 or 50 years ago? Have you tried actually engaging with science in a serious way?
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  329. Imagine writing an article that long and not realising that trans men exist without being oppressed as women lol Just a completely juvenile concept of the world
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  330.  @taylankammer  How fucking desperate have you got to be to take the universial experience of being told to dress certain way and act like this is a unique facet of women's oppression? Here's a question for you: How can trans men share women's oppression when nobody knows they're not just cis men? No answer, you've never thought about this in your life.
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  331.  @taylankammer  "What are the differences between the life experiences of a girl and a "trans boy" born and growing up in, say, Saudi Arabia, or Iran? In terms of female oppression, there is no difference, they will go through the same." Interesting you would bring up oppressive patriarchies of the Middle East, considering that's the region where girls have been traditionally raised as boys in certain circumstances. But sure, it's all 'the same' or something. "And even if you 100% transition, your past experiences from childhood (girlhood) will stick with you for a lifetime, having shaped part of your personality" This isn't relevant to my point, which was that trans men do get to simply opt out of being treated like women. " The whole point of patriarchy is it doesn't care about the human value of female-born people and that of course includes not caring about their gender identity." And does patriarchy have some kind of method to decide who is who? If not, sounds like it relies on gender identity to determine who to oppress the most.
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  332.  @taylankammer  What does it mean to 'hide your sex'? Are you referring to some kind of anatomical feature that can be hidden? Because that's just normal in most countries. We're all doing that all the time. "That's why it's called sexism, not genderism or gender-identityism." And now you're back to square one, you need to explain why trans men don't face the same oppression as women. You can't do it. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't have gone around in a big circle like this. "but women are generally not allowed to rise up in the gender hierarchy by acting masculine" Used to be a tradition in Algeria, I honestly don't know what you're on about.
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  333.  @taylankammer  "For 99% of people you can immediately clock their sex based on secondary sex traits like shoulder to hip ratio, skin texture, facial structure, pitch of voice, and so on. That's why passing as the opposite sex is so difficult, sometimes even after tons of medical intervention." Aha, there it is. The logic that causes you to misidentify any deviance from the 'ideal' as evidence of being trans. Ironically, it is cis women who are put at risk by this mad dogma. "I've already explained extensively how transmen suffer the same treatment as all other female-born people. You seem to have straight up ignored it." I'm going to dismiss what is patently ridiculous, yeah. "I don't know what you are on about with Algeria. " I'll admit, I made a mistake here. I was referring to Albania, where there was a longstanding tradition of trans men being given access to the same rights and responsibilities as men. Without hiding it, without 'pretending', simply informing everybody of his choice and everybody respecting it.
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  334.  @taylankammer  "Now you're just putting words in my mouth and arguing against a straw man. Who talked about "deviance" or an "ideal"? Are you even trying to understand my point of view? You can't argue against someone without understanding what their argument is." I can't argue with you until you understand what YOUR position is. You have no concept of the ramifications of what you're saying, you've never thought about it for more than five minutes. It's not a strawman, it's the logical conclusion of what you said. These secondary characteristics aren't consistent and relying on them to tell men and women apart means you're going to make errors. This is why cis women who don't line up with whatever you consider to be the norm are going to be 'clocked' despite not being trans. "To think transmen don't have to deal with sexual harassment and objectification if they're clocked as women." Again, this is just wild. The kind of men who catcall and harass women do not treat other men that way. You have no insight into how men interact with other men. "First of all they don't get full freedom: they have to be celibate for the rest of their lives. Imagine literally not being allowed to have intimate relationships" It still meets the criteria, historically there has always been a strata of those with more or less freedom. "Secondly it's an extremely atypical example" So are trans people, they make up a tiny fraction of the population. You're grasping at straws if you're going to come out with 'anything that proves me wrong needs to be statistically significant'
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  335. "Hilarious and sad that the fact that you feel morally superior to people with different opinions" ...yes? You're supposed to do that.
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  336. "yes there are exceptions but I'm going to pretend that there are not" lmaoooooooooo
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  337.  @guillermoagullomarti9  But there are women with XY chromosomes
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  338. "“Assigned at birth” what has our society come to there is nothing assigned about it when it is in your biology" You think every doctor brings out the microscope for every baby born in the world? They're not checking your "biology". They're guessing.
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  339.  @timflow9724  Don't don't have magic eyes, they can't see genetic information or internal organ layout. And you might want to sit down for this...but for some babies it's not clear what kind of genitalia they have. Just 'taking a look' doesn't clear things up. You think there's some kind of test they do? There isn't. They guess, or they perform surgery to make this infants physically conform.
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  340.  @timflow9724  Just did.
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  341.  @timflow9724  If it was observed, why doesn't that work 100% of the time? Because it's not observed.
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  342.  @timflow9724  Lmao I've seen some pretty interesting reactions to people finding out that intersex people exist but I've never seen somebody get this angry about it ahahahaaha
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  343.  @timflow9724  If you have to say "I'm not mad" twice in a row...you're mad as fuck lmaoo
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  344.  @timflow9724  A guess is a guess even when you guess right Tim, idk what else to tell you
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  345.  @cjane_world  I didn't insult you, you simply feel insulted. " if they transition, because they can't change their DNA." DNA? What are you talking about? We had gender for thousands of years before we even knew what DNA was. I've never looked at my DNA, have you? Which part of DNA are you referring to, specifically? Do you know what you're actually talking about?
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  346.  @cjane_world  Plenty of people don't have XX or XY chromosomes, though. Some of them were born with the body of one gender but the chromosomes of another. This simply cannot be the first time you've heard of this, surely?
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  347.  @ainnochaim9450  You're an anti-semite who wants to whine about hatred? You're the biggest hater here lmao
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  348.  @x_chips234  If a man has above average lung capacity or muscle mass we don't ban him from competing against other men lmao
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  349.  @x_chips234  I haven't seen it, that's the point Think of all the top atheltes in women's sports. How come they're not trans?
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  350.  @x_chips234  Interesting how none of the examples of trans women not winning don't count, but one example of a trans woman winning does? I don't think you thought this through.
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  351. Actually the right are simply trying to kill as many people as possible, as usual
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  352. You can't logic people out of being irrational extremists. Transphobes aren't transphobes because they just haven't heard the right argument yet.
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  353.  @askevandsaremark550  " and why would you change gender?" Why would you necessarily require a gender assigned to you at birth in the first place?
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  354.  @askevandsaremark550  "my intuition tells me it's so others know what you have going on underneath" Are other people entitled to know what your genital configuration is? Even ignoring all the times where it's wrong for other reasons, I'm not sure that's a great reason. "I haven't been convinced sadly" This doesn't matter, since the original definition isn't great either, and oversimplifies the complex nature of biology. You're not gonna be any less arbitrary or abstract by using the word the way you grew up using it.
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  355.  @askevandsaremark550  "yeah, but it does mean something already, we don't need to change it" The interesting thing is that the meaning doesn't actually have to change, since the term was always used inconsistently anyway. People with 'female' traits have always been getting called 'male' and vice-versa. The only new thing happening is that people are now more aware that they're doing it. "Btw how do I get to know what is going on underneath" You don't.
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  356. Using 'fanfiction' instead of just 'fictious' is an incredible choice of words
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  357. ​ @Viral9  "but many people support all sorts of things until it impacts them personally." Are you suggesting that pro-trans women are going to do a complete 180 next time a trans woman walks into the bathroom? That's so fucking funny haahahaha
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  358.  @Viral9  And yet it's cis women who are being banned from playing in their own sports, makes you think, huh? Well, it makes me think. Jury is out on you so far. Meanwhile trans athletes have been competing for decades already. Seems like if it was a problem we'd have found out by now?
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  359.  @teh_hunterer  You're subscribed to literal genocide advocates, let's not start throwing stones inside glass houses yeah?
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  360.  @thebibleonline7419  Hey how come you can't answer me lmao
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  361.  @thebibleonline7419  How many countries have passed laws that prevent women from doing things? If it was natural..we wouldn't need laws. After all, we don't need laws telling us to breathe and eat, do we? Because eating and breathing are natural.
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  362.  @thebibleonline7419  "This is how society has always functioned since the beginning of time" That's not remotely true, gender roles and rules change as our societies change "The human family is based on this." The 'nuclear family' meme is so recent it hasn't even spread globally yet, there are still many countries where the concept doesn't define what a family is. And in prehistoric times, forget about it. Just look to how primitive tribes today function. In some ancient societies, women were in charge of money. But in 1900 it was men. What changed? "Aren't laws that support this structure evidence of its natural origins?" So why do some natural laws get man-made laws and some don't? "Do you think societies had this master scheme to suppress women?" My dude they haven't exactly been subtle about it
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  363.  @thebibleonline7419  "men are dominant and women and recessive..it's a fact and that plays into societal norms." So why are there laws to force it to stay that way?
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  364.  @BobCassidy  Rob..I'm quoting you. Those were the words you used. You don't get to interrogate me on what you said.
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  365.  @BobCassidy  "I was obviously asking about that bit." This is actually a lie, you questioned me about markers. So you are clearly not asking me about the part I wrote. You're asking me to clarify your words to you. You're trying to play rhetorical games with me, so I should let you know: 1) You're really bad at it 2) You'd lose even if you weren't.
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  366. Benjamin, what should they be doing? Claiming a side and spreading it as false?
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  367. Imagine somebody decided your rights shouldn't be granted to you. Would you 'debate' that? What if you lost the debate? Would you accept not being allowed healthcare or education? No legal protection? Your family locked up in jail for helping you? We need to stop framing this like an argument, where both sides need to find some common ground. This is a fight, and one side will suppress the other. You need to decide what side you're on.
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  368.  @Smookn  "It seems that you are currently arguing for supressing the freedom of speech of your political opponents" You can say that about anybody, even those who prioritise freedom of speech will forget about it when under pressure. "I am also wondering what rights you are currently referring to. I hope you understand that many countries already have rights regarding bodily integrity (meaning you can have a sex change) and the right to legally change your gender" Huge difference between something being legal and something being accessible. An example of this would be voting stations. In some places, voting stations are easy to get to. In others, its an hours-long journey. This means that people without means of transport or who have obligations they cannot leave unattented aren't going to vote. The same thing happens to trans people accessing healthcare. Regardless, we've passed the point where hospitals who provide services to trans people are dealing with terrorists. Charities who offer support to trans people are being forcibly shut down. It is clear these rights are under threat, where they exist at all. " Calling for the supression of this right, in combination with the creation of a firm opposition between us and them, seems to be something counter to this" So does allowing particular demographics to be suppressed. The question isn't 'do you support freedom of speech' so much as it is 'whose freedom comes at the expense of yours?' "To be honest, I would even argue that your statement could be interpreted as authoritarian or even fascist" A question: What do we do with fascists? They have no motivation greater than murder, they cannot be placated, and you will lose all your freedoms if they ever win. But taking away their freedoms runs counter to your notions of democracy. Is it moral to suppress them to protect everybody else? Or should we allow them to organise, knowing that it might kill democracy completely?
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  369.  @Smookn  "However, we should also be able to have a healthy discussion about these topics" Can we have a healthy discussion about your right to exist too? " You can already see the public opinion turning around with the rise of conservatives in European countries like Sweden and Italy." Yes. And that was after discussion, debate and compromise with the right. So, we can already see where doing things your way will lead us. Not a great track record I have to say. "The extreme demonization of the other by both sides of the political spectrum will not bring anything good" One side is using mass shootings, bombings and extreme violence to get their way. Can't I demonise this? What about the hundreds of thousands of people slaughtered over the past decade? How is it that murdering one person makes you a monster, but industrial-scale killing needs to be discussed politely? " This starts with accepting that we might disagree and need to find a common ground to move forward" Hypothetically, what would that look like? Limiting the murder to tens of thousands?
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  370.  @Smookn  " I think it would be good for you to make an attempt to escape your filter bubble." As a member of a political minority, said 'bubbles' are a luxury I don't get to have. My coworkers think differently from me, all mass media presents a different view of the world from mine. I'd have to be completely isolated to have a filter bubble. "How many people do you think will really argue against the rights of trans to exist" How many are willing to stand up for them? "but I am pretty sure practically nobody supports the slaughtering of trans people" Prominent transphobes are no longer pretending that this isn't about getting rid of trans people. They're not even being implicit about it anymore. "You also discuss a supposed 'industrial scale killing'. I wonder if you are able to present any evidence for your claims. Probably not" Where I live, the estimate for the number of people who died shortly after having their welfare payments cut off is well over 200k. I can provide sources for everything I claim, all mainstream journalists and respected researchers, or state bodies. But you seem adamant to write me off, so by all means pretend you're not reading this. " I don't think it is useful for us to continue this conversation, because you seem to be quite detached from reality and unwilling to make any compromise. I hope you will one day come to realise that your views aren't much better than the once you despise" Very well, goodbye. But remember this: You were happy to talk until I said that mass murder was wrong. That was the dealbreaker for you.
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  371. ​ @Smookn  "people like you are the reason why reasonable people start supporting unreasonable things" You are responsible for your choices, not me. If your stance on mass murder is determined by how polite opponents of mass murder are, that's still a choice you decided to make. "You have done nothing but strawman me this whole conversation" This is a lie. " now even implying that I tacitly support mass murder" Actually, you did that part. You're the one suggesting you could be driven to support the unreasonable (which in context is the mass murder). All I said was that you decided I was an extremist for opposing it. Which you did. "Do you think you will gain any support by this? You are alienating people open for conversation through your behavior" I actually get a lot of support from people I speak to about this. When something terrible happens (like huge numbers of people dying, for example) I say 'wow, killing all those people is wrong' and most people agree with me. Just you and the far right who have a problem with it. Weird right? "the extreme right (who live in a similar dystopian fantasy" You seem hell-bent on this notion that I'm making it up...don't you read the news, even? Seriously, if you doubt anything I said, I can source it. Interesting you'd imply I'm worse than the people currently engaged with terrorist attacks, though. Just for speaking out on the internet? Me? Worse than mass shooters? "Maybe reading some stoic classics could help you have peace." How about you read something from the past millenium?
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  372.  @Smookn  "you are still claiming I support mass murder so that seems to be kind of a strawman, but okey." This is a lie. "But alright shows me your sources and prove to me that a systemic industrial slaughtering of transpeople" But I never claimed transpeople specifically were being targeted in this manner. We were talking about different sides of politics and I noticed there's little compromise to be had with the people who are responsible for murder on this big of a scale.
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  373.  @Smookn  Weird that you keep asking me to substantiate things I didn't claim. I never said it was Matt Walsh did I? Why are you playing these games? I don't know about linking in the comments so try looking up the following headline: "Over 330,000 excess deaths in Great Britain linked to austerity" British newspaper 'The Guardian' has an article about it. That's just one example in one country. The USA has a lot more blood on its hands obviously.
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  374.  @Smookn  "As you can see I have referred to trans people or trans rights in practically every message. And reading back your messages it now becomes clear that you have just throwing random shit at me all the time" Why didn't you read them until now you dope I even clarified this before, so for you to only just now realise is honestly hilarious. Not my problem you chose not to read anything! "Worst of all you now claim that deaths attributed to austerity are mass murder" Am I wrong? Because there sure are a lot of dead people for something that isn't mass murder. "My man, I thought we were having a academically informed debate here, not a Fox News or CNN level media pundits mudslinging contest" Do you have a problem with the methodology of the study? Is there something wrong with the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health? I just gave you the Guardian for convenience, but they're just reporting somebody else's findings. So this actually isn't 'pundit mudslinging'. You'd know that if you read the article and not just the headline. " First of all, I hope you understand that simple austerity measures are not mass murder (maybe if we are talking about the Holodomor yeah but otherwise no" What's the difference? Death toll? " How did these people die exactly? Can we infer a direct causal relationship between policy and deaths? Have you read the academic article on which the headline was based or did you just stuck to the headline itself" This is especially rich coming from somebody who didn't even skim it ahahaha "you have know idea how privileged and eurocentric you sound. I live in Colombia, a country just coming out of a conflicting in which right and leftwing militias massacred each other for decades" Yes, this conflict is famous around the world. How did it start again? I seem to recall one side decided to start killing the other..which side was that again? " Those groups committed mass murders" Nobody has a monopoly on crime, I never said mass murder didn't happen in columbia, did I? "provide some real damn academic sources as EVIDENCE! Shouldn't be difficult I think." That's what I did, and you got even more furious. You were so adamant that I must be making it up, you can't handle the fact you were wrong.
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  375.  @Smookn  It's a little bit too late for you to pretend you care about academic sources, now that your mask is well and truly off.
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  376.  @Smookn  Again, this is a lie. You aren't able to engage with anything I actually say, and you've resorted to having the most childish fit possible. Only a moment ago you were talking about some kind of standard for debate, and now you're screeching "ha ha! Not fun at party! Haaa!" You can't control yourself at all, can you? Compare this to how you were presenting yourself earlier. You were trying to pretend to be some kind of sensible moderate, but that act only lasts as long as it takes for somebody to challenge you on anything. The sad part is that you seemed to genuinely believe anybody was fooled.
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  377.  @crash6442  Don't worry, I didn't mean it I don't actually want fascists to be put into camps That's just all I'm allowed to say within the TOS
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  378. Sad thing is that in anticipation of this, Starmer had pre-emptively become a transphobe, throwing LGBT people under the bus and getting called 'woke' anyway
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  379.  @charedj  But plenty of women have XY chromosomes, or XXX chromosomes, why did you exclude them? Men sometimes get XYY chromosomes, why can't you explain that? It's also not unheard of for men to grow ovaries too, you didn't know that? Try again, and remember: You should be able to exclude all non-women while including all women.
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  380.  @charedj  Pretty interesting you can't answer my question Joe :)
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  381.  @texasjoehotdog1838  Apparently not! Since the definiton he gave excluded some women.
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  382.  @texasjoehotdog1838  Your answer is "a subset of female". Well done, but that doesn't provide much clarity. What's a female, then?
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  383.  @texasjoehotdog1838  "To put it simply I thought it was just the sex that produces egg cells when healthy" But there are men who develop ovaries, that's a thing that happens sometimes. Are they women?
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  384.  @charedj  "If it occurs rarely, we can ignore it" Lmao okay that's exactly what we do for every other science is it? Fucking hell
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  385.  @charedj  "99% of elements are hydrogen or helium, I'm just going to base my understanding of the world on the assumption that they all are since anamolies can be disregarded" "red hair makes up 1% of the population, so I'm just going to start calling ginger people 'blonde' since they're basically just mutants" There's absolutely no coming back from this, by the way.
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  386.  @charedj  "Ahh, you've displayed your lack of understanding perfectly. " If that was true, you'd have been able to point it out. But you can't. All you can do is try to change the subject as often as possible, anything to ignore the hard facts which disprove your understanding of the world.
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  387.  @bobbun4369  So what, you think he genuinely hates trans people and didn't just make this propaganda piece for the money? Hold on, I got a bridge to sell you lmao
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  388.  @SpongeBob38  The grifter would be the one pushing out transphobic nonsense for a production with huge funding behind it
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  389. The far left is more damaging? Hey Midge, which side is doing all the mass shootings again?
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  390. The "rules and thresholds" you refer to do not, and cannot, protect against bad actors. You're worried somebody might lie to get into somewhere they aren't supposed to be? Rules don't change that, they just change which lie is used.
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  391.  @28daysleitor  "most people could see that it would have had concrete, negative effects both for women and for trans people" No that's the terf position, like..they're the ones who want the worst case scenario for cis women and trans people. Doing things their way puts both groups into greater danger. They're no longer pretending otherwise at this point. "I don't criticise things until I have given them a proper hearing" This is a lie, and it's amusing you think we can't tell.
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  392.  @28daysleitor  "No, it's the position of anyone who has actually taken time to think about it for more than five minutes" And yet if I asked you why you think women will feel safer when you force men into their spaces, you'd have no answer. All you could say is "b-b-but those men are female!" And like..do you honestly think that means anything to the people impacted by your broken logic?
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  393.  @28daysleitor  "Well, true, there are some trans men who really do look masculine" Let's be real here: You aren't able to consistently distinguish trans men from cis men. That's just a fact. You think that you can, and you're wrong. "I've already mentioned the idea of separate spaces in this thread. That seems like a sensible option, given what a tiny minority were talking about" So for every gendered space, there should be a second, trans version of the same space? So you just want to double the logistical cost of maintaining these spaces, for a tiny fraction of the population? That's sensible to you? Rampant idiocy aside, how does this make anybody safer? Segregating people in this manner still means that somebody will have to be doing the segregating, and that means cis women are still going to have to subject themselves to some kind of 'proof of femininity' process. (Which will necessarily mean some cis women won't 'pass' and be excluded from the space they're supposed to be safe in). And you suggest I need to spend more than five minutes thinking about this? How about you manage five seconds and get back to me, yeah? Because that's how long it took me to refute your mind-vomit.
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  394.  @28daysleitor  "another topic change" This is a lie, I just responded to what you wrote. "OK, well we had some neighbours who lived upstairs till last year, one of whom started to transition a few years after we moved in" It's extremely funny that out of all the responses you could have chosen, you went with "What about a single individual who I knew prior to transition?" Yes, when you watch somebody transition...you will know they are trans. Nice work Columbo, but stick with the day job. "If you were talking about prisons, shelters, Olympic swimming teams or whatever, appearance doesn't matter" Utter madness, you're completely delusional. You think a big muscled man with a beard and deep voice isn't going to cause a bit of concern when he shows up at the women's shelter? You think ovaries or an XX chromosome pairing will make everybody else there feel at ease? "And that's where you need to start engaging your brain cells and designing good policies" Yeah, you do, lol. Let me know when you come up with one. Incidentally, it's extremely clear that this is the first time you've been asked about any of the above. Even terfs have a stock answer for this line. (Which to be clear is still a poor answer, but at least they are somewhat prepared)
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  395.  @28daysleitor  "no, I've thought about it and read about it quite a bit and talked too. I'm not sure why you expect me to produce a standard answer." Because that's generally what you should be able to do if you give things more than a few moments thought. " I try to avoid easy clichés because it annoys me when other people regurgitate clichés at me" Right, right. So this has all been an attempt at appearing to be unique and not a genuine attempt to answer a question? Because you weren't able to pull that off either. "It just shows that person hasn't thought about it and is just saying what they think they're supposed to say. And I'm afraid I think that's what you're doing above" No, it doesn't and no, I'm not. You're just making things up, now.
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  396.  @28daysleitor  "I dunno, mate, I feel like I'm engaging with your questions and expressing myself in my own words" A truly stunning coincidence that 'your own words' happen to be the exact same positions held by bigots, then. This would be an appropriate time to do a little self-reflection imo "you're so desperate to paint me as a bigot that you're even making that out to be a sign of insincerity" If you're acting like you arrived at your conclusions after careful reasoning and thought, yet cannot answer the immediate contradiction you present...yeah, you're gonna look insincere. That's on you. "Is there anything anyone could say that could make you question your prejudices even one iota" You could have demonstrated literally any of your claims as being true, I guess. Interesting how it's 'prejudice' when we don't accept your incoherent, half-baked ideas though. Because you seem quite content to write ours off as an act to make us look good. You're so unwilling to entertain even the possibility that anybody who disagrees with you could do so genuinely. That's the energy you arrived with, now you're whimpering about recieving the same back?
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  397.  @28daysleitor  The difference between us: -I can explain everything I said, proving I have an understanding of my words that goes deeper than mere repetition -You sound identical to a hundred other bigots, and cannot respond to even the slightest interrogation of your claims And yet somehow you've convinced yourself I'm the sheep, lol Based on what exactly? Oh right, based on the fact I don't parrot exactly what you say. For somebody so medicore you somehow have a truly huge ego
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  398.  @28daysleitor  "I like to have my views challenged" Coming from the guy who throws his toys out the pram when challenged? I think we might be done. If you had any kind of good faith intention you wouldn't have so desperately tried to bury the topic at hand underneath all this tangential crap. Next time you try to lecture anybody though, maybe prepare an answer for the most obvious question? One that takes more than five minutes to come up with?
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  399.  @VenusManTrap-777  By definition, they have to be If a woman does something, it becomes feminine necessarily
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  400.  @zachman5150  "Male and female are biological categories which are fixed and permanent." Yeah? Define them for me.
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  401.  @wormwoodcocktail  "A woman who fixes cars is feminine because she’s a woman" That should be completely uncontraversial to anybody whose brain isn't completely fried Differences on trans issues aside, you sound like you have a very narrow view of womanhood.
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  402.  @wormwoodcocktail  The amazing thing is you're so, so close to getting it. You're right! Your biology isn't a factor here! Hahaha, keep pulling that thread, what can we extrapolate from this? :)
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  403.  @wormwoodcocktail  " If anything, it’s just demonstrating how homophobic trans-activists are." Hey real quick, which side is currently harassing lesbians in bathrooms? Oh, oh it's yours? Yeah sit down, you don't wanna go there. "Femininity isn’t a matter of biology." This is the 'trans-activist' position, by the way. Thanks for telling me I'm right? But uh...I already knew? "She’s still a woman because she’s an adult human female" Here we go here we go Can you define that for me?
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  404.  @wormwoodcocktail  "The side harassing lesbians is yours" We're not the ones marching into bathrooms and demanding lesbians justify their presence lmao Like I said, you don't want to get into this "You’re lying about the femininity argument" Backpedaling already? You've already conceded that femininity isn't about biology. There's nothing further to argue. I'm right, and you agree. "And “adult human female” is a very simple thing to define" And yet you haven't actually made an attempt to do it. You just made references to gametes and followed it up with "it's universial and easy to do". My expectations were low, but not low enough, apparently. This the best you got? You're going to define male and female by cells that a lot of people don't even produce? And you're going to call it universial despite the fact it leaves a lot of people out? Nah, not accepting that. Do it again.
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  405.  @wormwoodcocktail  "Your side is quite literally murdering lesbians" Hey dipshit, which side is the one shooting up gay clubs again? Oh, oh it's yours? I think you've exhausted this line of enquiry, and we both know there's not going to be an attempt from you to come back from this so I'll take the point, thanks. "the abuse women like Lily Cade suffered" It would be so, so easy for you not to cite women who demanded the lynching of trans people. You'd look so much more credible. And yet..you can't manage it! I wonder why! Not really! I know why! " I said it would be absurd to call a butch motorcycle mechanic" Completely losing the plot, you don't even remember what you wrote. "“if a woman does something it becomes feminine necessarily.” It’s the third comment in this thread." It's actually the fourth lol And what do you think you're even trying to dispute here? That there's nothing feminine about a subset of women? "All human beings produce one gamete or the other. There are no exceptions" This is, quite simply, a lie. You don't believe it. " You’re making a pretty radical scientific claim with no citation" Some people don't produce gametes, stay mad about it I guess lol "Oh, and the smugness, unnecessary adversarial tone, and condescension isn’t alleviating my sense that your movement is made up of homophobes and sexists." Get back to me when you're not part of a movement backed by the heritage foundation lmao
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  406.  @wormwoodcocktail  1) Weird how you're not denying it was your side, you're just repeating a rumour about the main suspect. Actually no, it's not weird is it? You revel in this. 2) You haven't demonstrated why this is relevant, that's why lol 2 again for some reason) Demanding an entire group of people be killed because a couple of them are bad is completely unhinged, that you aren't able to comprehend this is evidence of how much of your humanity you've been forced to sacrifice. 3) You already acknowledged the terror attack lol, so why should I cite it again? 4) This isn't true, and you don't believe it. You know sterility is a condition. 5) "So no, my side (second wave feminists, radical feminists) are not supported by the Heritage Foundation" History will remember you people as anti-feminists, probably because your hate groups have links to the Heritage Foundation. Deny it all day if you want, I don't give a fuck lol 6) "it wouldn’t change the fact that your political beliefs result in the battery of women" Which side is going around doing the shootings again? See, you're back to this. "and the medical mutilation of children" Just wait until you see all the medical treatments kids won't be able to have access to if hormone blockers are banned, not that you care "The fact you’re being a pedant over whether it was the third or fourth post shows that you’re not arguing in good faith" Oooh, you didn't like that one huh? " now you continue to call me stupid while backtracking on what you said" I keep repeating that I'm right, I was right and that I stand by what I said. You call this 'backtracking'. You're not exactly passing the bar exam ahahahaha "It’s extremely unbecoming and when combined with flippant disinterest in male violence against women (Dana Rivers, Karen White) it makes me think you’re not just sexist and homophobic, but upset." The projection is tangible here. You keep making extremely basic errors in simple facts and reading comprehension, and they're getting worse. Oh yeah, one of us is definitely upset here lmaoo
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  407.  @wormwoodcocktail  1) This isn't actually true, and it's the fault of conservatives because of your extremist conspiracy theories that led to these attacks 2) This is an implicit concession on your part, by the way. You've dropped it entirely. Another point for me I guess? I've already lost count. 2b) Your reading comprehension fails you yet again, you're unable to maintain a coherent conversation. I referred to somebody who demanded the lynching of trans people (who you chose to bring up) and your defence is "uhhh, you're a liar because I never said that myself". Again, a concession. 3) "You’re lying again. The nightclub shooter was not a radical feminist" Nor are you, you stand against the rights of women. You're on the same side as conservatives. You're a conservative. 4) "Seriously, do you not even know what gametes are?" At this point you could save yourself a lot of embarassment and look it up. Actually no, you couldn't. There is no way you're coming back from this one ahahahahahah 5) You're not a radical feminist 6) "Your side is doing the shootings" This line actually says a lot about your broken mind. To you, any trans woman is on 'my side' regardless of their political position or activism. You're totally unable to see trans people as anything but a monolithic block. So in your head, I have to answer for any crime a trans person commits, but you get to avoid responsibility for everything. 7. You didn't look into this case, you have no idea what the lawsuit is about and you don't know what else Lupron was used for. So why did you bring it up? You don't know? You don't know. You're just bleating out the tired old memes without understanding the context.
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  408.  @wormwoodcocktail  1. I'm going to weigh up one instance of a lawyer making this claim after the attack against literally everybody else, including family, using "he" in reference to the shooter. Seems pretty clear to me how they wanted to be known! 1B) Ahahaha, sorry but you don't get to pull that stunt after you started pulling out random crimes done by anybody who happened to be trans as some kinda 'gotcha'. You're wrong, by the way. We know what kind of political influence had reached the shooter. 3, 5) You're not, you know about as much of politics as you do anything else. That is to say you're completely malinformed. 6) This is a lie, you've resorted to flat out lies in a desperate attempt to deflect what I said. It didn't work, but I accept your concession. 7) You're ignoring the part where I pointed out that you didn't look up what the Lupron case was about, now you're trying to cover that you didn't know until now. Imagine that, trotting out a brand name without even googling it. I'm not sure what's worse, that you aren't able to do the diligence or that you thought I wouldn't notice. Either way, it speaks to your complete inability to engage with anything other than reactive bigotry. I knew this was going to be a clownshow, but my god, how are you so bad at this? You did a good job of initially pretending to be literate, but I've never seen somebody fall apart so fast.
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  409.  @wormwoodcocktail  1) "You keep misgendering the shooter, which is fine by me, but doesn’t your side argue that we should always use someone’s preferred pronouns?" What pronouns did I use? You've already forgotten. You're absolutely not beating the 'stupid' allegations ahahahaha 1b) Yawn, we already know his internet history, this is tiresome 3, 5) I've already corrected you on this. You want trans men to be directed to use women's bathrooms and spaces. You want men who look, talk, and act like me to share spaces with women without asking them how they feel about it. They won't feel safer, but you don't care. 7) No, you haven't looked it up, that's not what the 800m case was about. You're covering, and doing a really shitty job of it. It's also especially amusing that you keep trying to sign off by writing 'take care', yet you can't stop yourself from returning to get what few remaining points you thought you had ground into the dirt. You had a whole LIST a moment ago? What happened? Oh, your precious ego took a knock?
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  410.  @wormwoodcocktail  1) They are conservative. That's your side. "You misgendered them" What pronouns did I use? "While I think it’s wrong that you violate men’s boundaries and use their spaces when you’re female, it’s not my primary concern" You're ignoring what was said. "But yes, I would feel safer with an FTM in my washroom as opposed to an MTF" You're not able to tell trans men and cis men apart consistently, so how would you know when to feel safe and when to feel threatened? Is it fair to expect every woman to have to worry about that? Or do you just assume that everybody in your spaces is there with honest intentions and there's nothing to worry about? (In which case, why oppose trans women having access to the same space?) See, it's the most obvious contradiction in your logic and you genuinely haven't considered it before. Brain. Fried. "You’re deflecting away from the fact that " Yeahno, YOU brought it up, dickhead. YOU made the point. I addressed your point, and you think that's deflection? You can just replace it with another point? I realise you stopped reading what I had to say a while ago, but are you even listening to yourself anymore?
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  411. ​ @wormwoodcocktail  1) Incorrect. Additionally, the gender identity of the shooter has no bearing on the reality that this is a conservative hate crime. You've completely stopped making sense. Hey, remember when I told you that you didn't want to get into this? Yet you did anyway? This is why! You end up looking like this! 2) Oh I'm listening to you, I'm just completely disregarding what you have to say. You're not a feminist. 3) This is a lie. 4) You're ignoring what I said, again. You've completely abandoned everything you claimed earlier, don't think nobody noticed. Again, you're trying to act like you're leaving, but you're still here, reading this. Nono, don't reply. Just know that I know.
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  412.  @Empathiclistener  Turn the chessboard around for a second Who decided we what rights we DON'T have? Who elected them exactly?
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  413.  @Empathiclistener  Do you think a trans man without a penis and with xx chromosomes would have no issue at all in the female changing room? Exactly.
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  414. Transphobes aren't basing their beliefs on logic, so you can't use logic to get them out of it
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  415. But this video is about the media, which isn't transphobic because it doesn't understand - it's transphobic based on hatred. It's fine to have questions, but making up conspiracy theories?
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  416.  @ambientjohnny  "nobody forced me to live a certain way! People tried, but they stopped after I did exactly what they wanted!" So you just admitted I'm right.
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  417. Linehan sadly spends all day every day spamming misinformation, lies and abuse directed towards trans people. Some of what he's said has been so extreme that people have been forced to cut professional ties with him. In his personal life he finds it impossible to not rant about the topic, which pushed his family and friends away. It's genuinely all he lives for now, which is pretty sad.
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  418. A lot coming from the newspapers and the government, so it's especially important to push back on when the Home Secretary puts forward guidance like "torture is legal on trans people" for example But you're right, most people are not transphobic and happy to get along with everyone else
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  419. Why the fuck is a flipino subscribed to white supremacists My dude, those people want you dead
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  420.  @the-partial-anti-furry  It's actually incorrect, as infertile women aren't referred to as men
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  421.  @the-partial-anti-furry  What do you think infertile means As a matter of fact, did you even do sex-ed at school? Because you're missing something kinda important here
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  422.  @the-partial-anti-furry  Oh so you REALLY didn't do sex-ed hahaha I don't talk to minors if I can help it, so come back in a few years
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  423.  @hqcf  "The fact that she won the appeal indicates to me that she wasn't harassing this trans person, but was simply stating facts, and she likely lost her job merely because the trans woman found these facts distressing and offensive." Correction: The appeal was specifically related to the question of her beliefs being protected speech or not. Forstater wasn't actually fired, and she wasn't fired for her beliefs. Additionally, it was her collegues who raised concerns initially. "So it seems that what Bravaman said" Braverman hates trans people and wants to make it very clear that this is known. Her leadership campaign was almost entirely based on this.
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  424.  @hqcf  " According to the various articles I read, Forstater lost her job over the transgender tweets." After double-checking, I notice that the appeals court upheld this last summer, whereas I was informed by an earlier judgement that stated otherwise. I suppose I'm correcting myself, then. Although I would still like to point out that this wasn't a dismissal, exactly. "such as teachers affirming and socially transitioning children, often without the parents' knowledge,. This, to me, isn't hateful" In many countries this is actually a hate crime, that's how bad it is. Effectively, Braverman wants teachers to be forced to use the wrong name and gendered language to refer to pupils. The only effect this has causing pupils distress, there are no advantages. "and she made it clear it wasn't for the purpose of hate or discriminating against trans people" She is, of course, a liar. " protecting children from teachers who are breaching their impartiality and/or indoctrinating children into a contested view of gender. " It's pretty interesting that Braverman was forced to invent a phenomenon which hasn't happened yet, don't you think? There are no cases of this occuring. Given all of the things that are actually hurting children right now, it seems odd that somebody (who alleges they are not hateful, remember) is forced to simply lie about non-existent harm that isn't being done.
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  425.  @hqcf  "There's a lot more nuance to what she was saying and I don't think it can be reduced to transphobia" Subjecting trans people to hate crimes is transphobic, actually. "I just googled cases of children being indoctrinated by trans ideology and I immediately found search results" I just googled cases of people being abducted by aliens and I found search results.
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  426.  @hqcf  Okay, so 20 minutes ago you discovered a far-right wingnut who told you what to believe, and you accept it uncritically? But when I tell you that hate crimes are hate crimes, suddenly I'm 'giving activists a bad name' lol okay, I see how it is
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  427.  @hqcf  "Nobody told me what to believe" You already admitted to taking far-right propagandists at their word, you're not beating this allegation. "who also happens to be trans and doesn't have a hateful, transphobic agenda" White is infamous for exactly that. It's her entire brand. Sorry you're the last one to find out? "You're just coming across as one of those people who labels transphobic anyone who even so much as questions gender identity theory" You're so desperate for me to call you a transphobe ahahahaha "'Hate crimes are hate crimes'. That's a circular definition." Grasping at straws, sad to see! But I didn't define hate crimes as hate crimes. I simply identified hate crimes as hate crimes.
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  428.  @hqcf  " You're the one claiming she's a far-right propagandist. Some would disagree" Yes, but I'm right and they're wrong. That's the point here. Blaire White isn't even trying to appear like she's not right-wing, you're reaching far more than I am. "In this instance, Blaire's framing didn't matter, because the teachers were outright admitting to teaching (i.e., and therefore indoctrinating) young children with gender identity theory." You're admitting to just taking White's position as read, and you're not doing any critical thinking! Teaching is the same as indoctrinating? Can we go back to a few hours ago when you didn't believe this? " I was pointing out the fact that you haven't identified a single hate crime" This is a lie " All you've done is call Bravaman a transphobe" Because she was advocating for transphobia, YOU are the one who told me what she was doing and now I have to prove it to you? " You just keep saying: this person is known for this, this person is known for that." This is also a lie "This assumption is further corroborated by the way in which you ignore every single piece of tangible evidence that I relay to you. " You haven't given me a single piece of tangible evidence. Not one. "There's no point talking to someone like you. It's like talking to a brick wall. End of discussion." Then for the love of god, why are you still reading this you stupid cunt?
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  429. "fringe political media outlet" Which, thanks to financial backing, punches well above its own weight. They are not 'fringe', everything they stand for is in line with the Republican Party position. " a few fringe UK politicians and pundits" Friendly reminder that the last UK leadership race was almost completely overtaken by which candidate could hate trans people the most. Again, not fringe. Fully mainstreamed. "Western, particularly anglo media, by and large is incredibly sympathetic and promoting of trans causes." This is a lie, you don't believe this. The number of anti-trans media pieces is increasing at an astonishing rate. "even lightly criticizing them has become synonymous with committing career suicide (see JK Rowling)" What career? She's a billionaire who writes a book now and again for fun. She doesn't have a job lol "paint some picture of broader oppression which does not exist." So we're just going to ignore the organised terrorist campaigns against hospitals then?
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  430.  @glassslack  Well, it would be fraud if they didn't identify as a woman. I understand what you're getting at though, you want to know how we'd detect a man simply saying "I am a woman" and cashing in. And honestly if a man wants to go to the trouble of changing his ID and everything just to get a grant or something...let him, lol I mean there's no stopping guys from setting up companies in their wife's name, right? If somebody wants to scam the government that bad, they'll do it.
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  431. I got bad news for you if you want kids to be hormone-free lmao
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  432. "Some people can only afford to rent a basement apartment." Are they cheaper or something? Why is that? Oh, are they cheaper because they're creepy?
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  433. lmao the person subscribed to genuine white supremacists is whining about people going "too far" and "violent threats". What's the matter? Feeling the heat recently?
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  434.  @chaabraaah5823  your side are the ones throwing firebombs and organising actual terrorism, yet you're whining about a "proper argument" lmao
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  435.  @chaabraaah5823  An "independent thinker" who just so happens to agree with the far right on 95% of issues, and 5% on anybody even moderately left of centre? Yeah, looking real independent there! Don't 'both sides' this. One side has the bombings and the mass shootings. One side. Yours. You've become so extreme, you even think the democrats are left-wing! That's completely batshit! And all this because...what, basic healthcare? Sorry you had to find out this way but everything you're crying over has been normal for a long time. HRT is used for a bunch of things, surgery is used for a bunch of other things. You only had a problem with it when some fascists told you to.
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  436. " It assumes Walsh has purely cynical motivations " He works for the daily wire. They wouldn't have hired him if he was genuine about anything.
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  437.  @oliekolzig37  I believe they're genuinely not leftists, but let's be clear: Nobody with that much financial backing is saying anything other than what their script tells them to. Case in point: Trans rights! Weird how none of them seemed to care about trans rights until a few years ago, isn't it? And a few years ago, it was 'just some concerns' about bathrooms etc. Now Matt Walsh is genuinely calling for people who attend drag shows to be jailed. How can you genuinely turn on a dime like that?
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  438.  @Viral9  But if you were to apply a rigid definition to any of these places, you would necessarily be excluding a subset of cis women, leaving them with nowhere else to go. So the question is, how many cis women are you willing to kick out of a shelter to ensure that no trans women can enter? What if this hurts more women than it saves? Do you care?
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  439. "There's huge biological differences between a woman and a trans woman" This isn't necessarily true. Plenty of cis women with XY chromosomes out there, plenty of cis women without wombs. Your logic actually makes life for certain types of cis women harder.
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  440.  @MisakaMikotoDesu  But I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about cis women who don't have the usual chromosomes or genitalia. They're not trans, right? But some people (mostly transphobes let's be honest) would declare them trans if they couldn't prove otherwise. This kind of essentialism isn't helpful, and can sometimes be harmful.
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  441.  @spinosaurusstriker  It's way more common than you think, it's just that nobody is checking
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  442.  @luckytanuki5449  You can't have it both ways. A trans person choosing to be trans is making as much of a life-altering commitment as a cis person choosing to be cis. Read the comment.
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  443.  @Viral9  Oh, so you genuinely haven't stopped to consider the implications of what you said then
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  444.  @Viral9  I just did and you said "no" - you refuse to even consider it.
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  445.  @Viral9  Your lack of consideration is fundamental to the position that you hold, it doesn't matter if you declared it or not.
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  446.  @Viral9  I mean you're literally typing the words into the computer, you know the rest of us can read them yeah?
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  447.  @Viral9  For the second time, I already did. And you're unable to even acknowledge it. Seems to be a pattern with you.
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  448.  @Viral9  "You interpreted what I said to mean a specific thing" I do apologise, were you being metaphorical or something? No? Well then.
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  449.  @Viral9  I did, and you ignored it. Scroll up to the top and read it again.
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  450.  @Viral9  Except you have no model that includes all women while excluding all men, so you necessarily seek to force a subset of women out of women's changing rooms, just to ensure no trans women get to be inside. So a lot more people are left unsafe.
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  451.  @Viral9  The subset of cis women who are accused of being trans but who aren't able to prove they are not
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  452.  @Viral9  You do not have a response, and you never will. You want to force trans women into men's spaces, but you could not possibly care less what happens to cis women who are forced from their spaces. You'll maintain this faux-outrage anytime somebody calls you out. This is your life now. You had hobbies once, now you have this.
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  453.  @JT.Pilgrim  You're the one who keeps whining about etymology, why don't you look it up hahahaha
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  454.  @JT.Pilgrim  "The conversation started by describing what a man and a woman is. You cannot assign another meaning to the word" You seem to think it hinges on external genitalia, which is...wrong. Scientifically incorrect.
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  455.  @aaaaa-tx3qb  "You can't make any scientific explanation if you want to include all anomalies." By this logic, there are only two elements, hydrogen and helium, and everything else is an anomaly. By this logic, redheads do not exist. "Human beings have 2 legs" That's actually not how humans are defined.
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  456.  @aaaaa-tx3qb  "Yes you can't make any scientific definition if you include anomalies." Wrong - all scientific definitions factor in anamolies. Otherwise it's not actually science.
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  457.  @aaaaa-tx3qb  "weh weh weh that's not in the dictionary weeeh" Yeah sorry about that English Lit Majors - we're talking about science.
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  458.  @osoko3995  "right wing activists demand children stop playing pretend" is what you just said
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  459.  @osoko3995  Weird how I had surgery as a child and you people don't give a fuck about that
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  460.  @SN-pl_  What you describe doesn't happen
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  461. I mean that's been happening for a long time already. Get some friends together, hold some "cops shouldn't murder people" signs in public and see if you get home in one piece. Dissent has always been risky.
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  462.  @DonBelial  "so the media are doing nothing but their job." You're right, just not in the way you think you are. Remember, they're doing everything they did during the homophobic panic of the last century. Exact same style.
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  463.  @IanLockerbie  " I'm not sure you have read the right one" That's okay, because I am sure. I've also read what the author of the report had to say about it. Like I said, you haven't read the report. Read it.
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  464.  @IanLockerbie  " How could you have read a report detailing the reasons the travistock clinic was shut down" With my eyes. I really recommend it, btw
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  465.  @IanLockerbie  The blatant facts are that the Cass report praised the work done at Tavistock, and the clinic was deemed unsafe because it was a centralised service for something that should be regional. This is why the report recommends that new clinics be built throughout the country, based on the work done at Tavistock. You'd know this if you read the report, which you didn't.
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  466.  @IanLockerbie  The author of the report was explicit on that, yes. You would know if you read it. Which you haven't.
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  467.  @jgomo3877  "You think the left doesn't do terrorism and murder? I'm sorry to hear that" In the past 5 years we've seen a near constant onslaught of right-wing beatings, stabbings, murders, mass shootings, bombings and cars being driven into crowds of people. From the left there's...I think a couple burnt out a cop car? Not sure if that's comparable. "I don't see how it is relevant to the fact both sides are full of grifters making money, influence, and careers by lying to and misleading us all." One side is very obviously more full of it than the other, because only one side has huge six-figure advertising budgets and slick studio presentation. Weird that you would try and both-sides something so obviously lopsided.
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  468.  @RaquelSantos-hj1mq  There's no evidence Brooks is left-wing or that his crime was based on left-wing ideology. Stop lying. In fact, based on his support for Hitler and soverign citizen nonsense, I'd say he's clearly right-wing. This is your side. Yet again. Got any more examples? No? Then sit down.
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  469. Weird how other communities can commit all kinds of crimes including mass murder and not suffer like this But you personally get annoyed by a few people on twitter and somehow that justifies this complete overreaction lol
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  470.  @ab-mv5mq  "which in fact (dyor) are NOT reversible and have MASSIVE side effects" And so does not allowing blockers, don't act like you're neutral here
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  471.  @ab-mv5mq  So you're in favour of procedures that have huge side effects. Maybe stop whining about side effects then? I mean, you came out and said you support them.
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  472.  @ab-mv5mq  "not for children to decide they want to accept side effects to have a procedure that will not do any good" So you just want all kids with a cleft lip to be forced to keep it until adulthood? Any other healthcare you think should be denied to kids? You're a fucking monster.
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  473. ​ @ab-mv5mq  Interesting note, as a child I was injured badly enough to require a bit of morphine so that the staff in the emergency room could put me back together And now you're telling me you'd have preferred me to simply be subjected to the most extreme pain, just because I was a kid? I think you don't need to say any more, it's clear that you're only out to hurt children.
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  474.  @ab-mv5mq  My comments are still here for everybody to read lmao So in case you were wondering, yes we can all still see how you ran away from the topic after it became clear you just hate children.
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  475.  @mateo61323  "anyone who say “advanced biology” definitely doesn’t know shit" 'And I don't wanna talk to a scientist / y'all motherfucker lyin', and gettin' me pissed' -Insane Clown Posse
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  476.  @AlphaNumeric123  "since you’re mentally inept, let me explain something to you, again. You can’t switch species" Why are you bringing some random argument into it? Is it because you lost the first one? "Because defining a species is complicated does not mean you can volitionally change species" We reclassify species reguarly, are you saying that isn't a change of species? "You’ll never be a woman, any more than you’ll never not be a human. Telling people otherwise is harmful and you’re a POS for doing it." I haven't told anybody otherwise. You've resorted to completely making things up. This whole time you've been arguing with a version of me that exists only in your head, and you've been losing lmao
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  477.  @evidenceincreation9520  You might want to sit down for this part: Doctors are literally guessing. You think there's some kind of scientific test they do? There isn't. They take a glance at the infants genitalia and write 'male' or 'female' accordingly. But sometimes, that doesn't help. With some babies..it's kind of hard to tell! So do you think there's a scientific method used for these edge cases? Nope! They wing it, or perform surgery to 'make' the baby conform with the average male or female infant.
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