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Edited I can't help but feel sad watching this. Here is an intelligent, confident, educated, talented, deep, beautiful woman who could have had a clean, happy, productive, life if she hadn't gotten involved in drugs. 💔 However, she comes across a bit narcissistic and is self proclaimed racist. What happened to her children? 💔💔💔
"Prejudiced", as someone here pointed out, might be a more fitting word for her.
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This sheriff sure gave a whole lot of grace to the victim as well as his mother. Obviously, the mother was aware of the fact that her son was not going to school, had been arrested multiple times, was in a gang, and probably goes out at night. While I feel for her, all of that is where the problem starts.
There is no easy answer. But at least as a starting point, it would be valuable to teach human psychology all throughout school. Students could learn about relationships, personality types, mental health, self esteem, etc. In households like this, the child doesn't have much of a chance.
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@Minna Humble Maybe not, but having a worker come every single day to feed/water the dogs and clean out their kennels, as well as having a daily housekeeper...they definitely had "help". It's not like the housekeeper came weekly, as is generally the case.
She came daily to cook, clean, do laundry, run errands, organize, etc.
That along with looking at another house in Hampton, having a luxury car, many vehicles, furs, nice clothes, hosting parties, going on expensive vacations, etc., I wouldn't say that's average.
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@Talk2Me7 Yes, we all make mistakes, and yes, it would have been appropriate for him to have been put away back then for that. I'm not suggesting otherwise. Again, I was speaking against the many comments commending her for being a saint, which she is not. Hopefully she'll make positive changes, but as for now, she's not on a great road. It's one thing to make a mistake, but it's another to get pregnant 5 times with 5 different men and not take care of any of them, choose drugs above her children, and choose to get back together with an abusive man. Those aren't mistakes; those are evidence of very bad morals.
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I speak up about subjects like this because there is so much misinformation about it. I am no expert by any means, but have learned a lot in the last few years by great historians and writers such as Thomas Sowell, who are concerned with clearing up false rumors and promoting facts. We in the US have been learning such grossly biased information in school for many years, which has helped further an unnecessary divide among its citizens.
Slavery is an unfortunate reality in the world. Thankfully it's been long gone here in the West for quite some time, but is sadly still in existence in some 3rd world countries. In fact, it ONLY exists today in non-white countries. After the Emancipation Proclamation, whites were still being bought and sold as slaves in North Africa and the Middle East. No one talks about the slavery happening around the globe today, only the slavery of the past in one country - the US.
One huge myth is that slavery was started by white people. Slavery has been around since time began. Fast forward to the 1600s where about 5% of African captives came to the US as slaves. The majority went to Brazil and The Caribbean, in addition to other countries.
In the height of slavery here in the US, roughly 1.4% of the free population owned slaves. MANY white citizens were very much against slavery and many blacks were slave owners. What does that say about blacks and whites? According to some here in this text string, it means that whites are the oppressors and blacks are victims.
I'd say it says that people are people. People groups have been dominating other people groups since time began, no matter what their skin color. That's a sad reality of life. I'd rather see society evolve past an "us vs them" mentality and come together as much as possible.
In these past few years, there has been a resurgence of the topic of "racism", which affects everyone negatively. Continuing false information and ignoring facts is not helping anyone in this country. It is only creating and encouraging hate, division and ignorance.
If anyone is interested in learning true historical facts, Thomas Sowell has written many interesting books on the subject. I think I've read all of his books, but the one most fitting here would be "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". I can't recommend it enough.
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@elizabethlafleur3267 YOU did or your ancestors did? Big difference. And no, that's not exactly accurate. Over 90% whites fought in the Civil War. Many whites fought alongside blacks in The Civil Rights Movement, one being my grandfather. Also, a white president created the Civil Rights Act and a white president and Congress signed it into law. Does that mean anything to you? I consider that a very positive thing as slavery and unequal rights were both horrific parts of history. Why must you make it an "us vs them" thing??
Of course Jews were treated horribly in history. We all know that. That doesn't mean they aren't racist. And yes, the majority of Asians, blacks, Middle Easterners, also discriminate. Many in those people groups will tell you themselves. Many discourage or WILL NOT allow their children to date or marry outside their race. That is a straight up fact.
My husband is black and has never experienced racism of any kind in his 56 years of life, except from negative comments from his black extended family. It is a huge "no-no" in many predominantly black areas to even have white friends. That's another fact. In fact, blacks often discriminate and downright bully other blacks who have lighter skin.
You mentioned my ignorance, but have no idea that it is actually you who are ignorant in this area. No offense as many have been taught misinformation. It's obvious you have been taught an extremely biased false version of history, which is all to common these days. However, it's up to us as adults to educate ourselves.
I highly recommend anything and everything by the great Thomas Sowell. Also great are Coleman Hughes (YouTube videos), Larry Elder (YT & books), and Heather McDonald (YouTube & books)... IF you're willing to learn.
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@TonySamedi I appreciate the well thought out reply and agree with so much of it. Yes, there absolutely should be a higher standard for police, but that wasn't my point. My point is how is that standard enforced? There are certain obvious signs when someone isn't right for the job, but sometimes those signs aren't obvious. It's complex.
I'm with you; I think there should be very strict rules in place where if an officer abuses their power, they're out! That sure would help weed out the bad ones. Unfortunately, each department is different and is run by flawed people. Plus there is a system in place that often times works well, but other times doesn't. I'd like to see more pressure put on the management to deal with these types of situations more seriously. I'm not sure where that pressure would come from, except by the public and/or the government.
Unfortunately, the majority of those speaking out are not reasonable or knowledgeable. You said that people don't expect cops to be perfect, but just want the bad ones to be held accountable. While that is a very reasonable expectation, that's not what the public at large is saying. They do expect cops to be perfect (their version of perfect) and say that the majority or all cops are bad, which couldn't be further from the truth. That type of assumption totally dismisses the thousands of honorable officers we have and is causing an incredible amount of damage to society.
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@nickie7874 I'm not sure where that idea came from besides being completely made up. Also, let's flesh that out. Because after over 20 years of severely abusing children, they got caught, that means everything is just peachy? That's a very simple way of looking at the situation. Those children were severely mistreated, tortured, neglected, starved, and manipulated, which leaves lifelong effects. There isn't a "happy ending" just because they got out. It's a huge relief that they finally got out, but that doesn't erase the years and years of torture they endured while "God" waited for just the right moment to miraculously show one of the children how to dial 9-1-1. I'm disgusted by this story and more disgusted that somehow God gets glory after allowing such horrors.
Of course, I don't believe God allowed horrors. I believe these parents have either a personality disorder or mental illness of some kind mixed with indoctrination of an extreme religion.
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Of course you can. While there is an extremely rare possibility for something harmful to happen, children are generally safe at school, daycare, a friend's house, playing in the yard, etc. It's always wise to follow safety precautions, like not letting them go places alone, getting to know their friends' families, not leaving them in the car alone, locking doors and windows, having a fence yard, etc. It's actually negligent to leave them in a foreign country, in an unlocked room, while not being within a reasonable distance away to check on them, especially when childcare was available on the premises. They also had the option of staying in the condo with their children or hiring a private babysitter.
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@WobblesandBean @Amelia Bee Where did I say they were awful parents? I was simply pointing out that the evidence showed that he was coddled, which does not generally end well.
I don't know if the older son was coddled as much, but that doesn't really make much of a difference. Everyone has different personalities, so each will respond to upbringing in their own way. It's possible that Krista babied the younger son more, as is common.
If you look at what the family said, what the friends said, and what the mother herself said, it definitely paints a clear picture. Sometimes it's helpful to read between the lines.
When I mentioned him being babied, I wasn't only referring to when he claimed to have a head injury. It seems to have happened throughout Chandler's life. There is no way that they hadn't figured out some of his lies. No doubt they were aware of them and did not have many expectations.
While it might seem distasteful or inappropriate to speak ill of the dead, being honest can actually be helpful to society. Until we start to recognize how narcissists are created, we will keep pretending that they were just born "evil". That's not only untrue, but is simplifying the whole picture.
I didn't say anything negative about the parents, nor did I suggest that they didn't love their sons. No doubt they cared for them very much, but their parenting played a part in this.
Of course murdering them was extremely selfish and callous. It's heartbreaking to think that they lost their lives due to Chandler's self absorption and lack of empathy. It's interesting that you would suggest I have more empathy because I'm actually an empath, but I'm also a realist and would like to see human psychology better understood.
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@mollynoneofurbuisness3099 That sounds nice and I used to think the same way, until reality finally hit. If "God" is omnipotent, he could have created anything he wanted, including creating humans with free will (which is debatable in itself) but without the ability to harm others, or at the very least, without the ability to torture and/or kill children.
If a sane person could not stand to watch a child being tortured without stepping in to help, I'm not sure why God is given a pass. He could have alerted police after the couple only had one child, or maybe 10 years sooner or had a neighbor step in, but nope! One of the 13 children would finally muster up the courage to walk outside of her torture chamber to seek help on her own.
If there was a God and he watched all of that happen, then I don't want anything to do with that kind of sick, sadistic being.
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@VictoriaShaw-mp6qf First of all, I'm really sorry to hear about the trauma you endured. 💔 Not being believed is an even deeper level of trauma. 😥 Hopefully, you've received support in order to process all of that and heal as much as possible.
What many don't seem to grasp is that we aren't all identical. Everyone reacts to things differently. There are different factors to consider in each case - type of abuse, length of abuse, severity of abuse, personality, gender, predisposition to mental illness, if there was a trusted friend or relative to depend on... Some people can handle negative situations much better than others.
Paul may have been born with a predisposition to a mental illness. However, in order for a mental illness to develop, there is almost always a trigger - some type of trauma. He most likely wouldn't have turned out that way if he had been raised in a loving, healthy environment.
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@charlcieg1 I did not and would not ever blame her for what happened in her past when she was young, nor would I blame her for his horrific actions. I was responding to those who made assumptions about her being a stellar person. It's only fair to view things as a whole and not jump to conclusions. I don't have anything personal against her, but was pointing out that she played a role here in choosing to have a relationship with him as a grown adult.
While it's understandable to view her as a victim when she was a teenager, although she seemingly lied about her age, she chose to get back together with him in her 30s, knowing what kind of person he is. She has responsibility in that. Also, she has not displayed mature or even healthy behavior in many ways. For example, not taking care of her children and choosing drugs over them. She did very well on the witness stand and it's a good thing that she gave her testimony, but let's not pretend that makes her a saint. She even said that IF he was convicted, she wouldn't visit him in prison. In other words, she sounded willing to continue a relationship with him knowing full well what he did.
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This is yet ANOTHER case where the victim did not protect herself - she ignored warnings from her family, started a secret relationship, told her husband about the secret relationship, told him she was going to leave him while still living under the same roof, and did not take his threats seriously.
Rather than focus on the weak killer, it's critical to share information to victims - how to get out as safely as possible, ESPECIALLY when children are involved.
Weak, heartless people like Adam do not change. They look for sweet, loving, forgiving partners like Maddi to dominate. We need to get the word out that there are always options - seek support, get protection, leave, and file necessary legal paperwork.
My heart breaks for Maddi's loving family, her friends, and Spencer. Adam robbed her of her future and robbed everyone else around her, too. How very heartbreaking.
💔😥💔
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Maybe it's just me, but was anyone else less than impressed with this nurse? Granted, I didn't watch the whole time I was listening, but every time I glanced down, she was either sipping coffee/water, scratching her head, laughing, playing with her hair, etc. Basically, unprofessional behavior. Also, she didn't always answer clearly as she either mumbled or didn't paint a clear picture as to the experience.
Whatever the case, I personally wouldn't choose her as a nurse if given the choice.
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@saltyanchor7111 I appreciate the questions and will clarify my thoughts. First of all, you definitely have a lot on your plate. Very few people could meet all of the physical needs of a special needs child on their own. However, that wouldn't be mentally healthy for the parent to do anyway. I wasn't referring to only physical needs specifically, but that IS one need.
While physical needs are very important (food, clothing, shelter, etc.), I was referring more to emotional needs. That doesn't mean parents have to be there for every single second of every day in order for their children to be fulfilled. Does she know you love her unconditionally? I'll bet she does!! It's really that simple.
You've probably seen very, very poor families who have almost nothing, yet many of the children run around happy to play with few or no toys. I've heard stories from people who grew up very poor and didn't have enough food. But if they knew they were loved, they could better handle their situation.
I'm no expert, but I'm not sure I'd consider your daughter's diagnoses to be trauma on their own. Now if she was bullied due to them, that would be a different story.
I could totally be wrong, but from the sound of your one comment, it sounds like you love your daughter unconditionally and are putting in a lot of effort to take good care of her. Sounds like a normal, loving relationship to me. Best wishes to you both. 🤍🤍
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@maangel6257 I didn't mention you thinking you are a victim. It IS a systemic problem though. You said I am obviously biased, but I'm not in the least. Where did you get that idea from?
I'm not sure why you are making so many assumptions. Why not just ask questions?
Discrimination is against the law. Does it happen? Of course, but in very small numbers. If it happens, legal action can be taken. And let's not pretend it only happens one way. Racism and discrimination is not a systemic problem. Data is in complete contradiction to that idea.
No, I do not agree that blacks always work harder to become successful. Everyone is different and should be looked at individually. In fact, a black student is far more likely to get accepted into college, to get free college tuition and to be hired for jobs. The stats support that. Affirmative Action has made that happen. Sure, there are students who work harder than others for various reasons, but that's not a fair claim to make.
I went all through private school with every ethnicity there is here in diverse CA. Each student had the same opportunities as the next. It's up to each person to work toward their goals. To say blacks work harder is not only untrue (statistically speaking), but pins them as victims, which they are not.
Why would you suggest I want you to feel inferior? Look what you accomplished! Good for you!!! 👏👏👏
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@edvh88 "Systemic racism" is a completely bogus idea. There is no data or logic to support it. While there is no doubt that blacks were discriminated against, treated unfairly and lacked equal rights in the past, things have drastically changed. Laws to ensure equal opportunity were established many decades ago. In fact, due to Affirmative Action, blacks have greater opportunities due to ethnicity (free college and better chance of being hired for jobs).
You mentioned it isn't enough for people to "just be nice to each other". I have no idea where that came from. That's not anything I would suggest. No, laws should not allow for racism and, guess what? That happened. Racism will always be around, most likely forever, at least to a certain degree. It's just an unfortunate part of humanity that's been around since time began. The best we can do is establish laws against it and help people understand each other. The laws have been established, but we are failing the second part.
Protests and riots don't help anyone and in fact, they are hurting the very people they supposedly stand for. I'd like to see Americans bridge the gap, reach out, have better discussions, etc. I despise the "us vs them" mentality. All I ever hear about is how white people are racist. I know FAR more racist blacks than whites. In fact, in my 50 years of life, I have never heard one single negative word about any black person, yet I've lost count of how many times my kids and I have been insulted and name called due to being white. It goes both ways.
I don't take it personally, but I am disheartened to see how people treat each other these days.
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@callalundrigan3401
The flip flops (big no-no in cosmetology), her overall appearance, not consulting the client about her desires, brushing her hair without a cape, not directing her clearly, not seating her properly at the shampoo bowl, not having Betty sit back in the chair, not putting the cape over the back of the chair (which allows water and hair to fall down her back), not sectioning properly, pulling the base layer out at an angle rather than straight down... and most importantly, not speaking to the client as an individual.
She could really use some guidance.
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Pat Gray I haven't noticed most people choosing to do evil. I've noticed most people follow rules, treat people cordially, want to help in time of need, etc. People are people - some are kind, some are mean some are generous, some are selfish, some are humble, some are proud, no matter their religious beliefs.
I used to think God was perfect. If he knew how the world would end up, then he set it up that way. If he's omnipotent, he didn't have to make a cruel world where babies and the elderly get abused. Also, God condones and commands murder and abuse. I'm not sure why he doesn't have to follow his own "standards". Hhhmmm.
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pens58 he'll yeah I hear you! I'm not saying it is a system without flaws. I do recognize such flaws, but it's important to think critically and logically when assessing things like this. While there are horrible mistakes and wrongdoings within the US legal system, that doesn't mean it isn't one of the most advanced and fair systems in the world.
Since people are flawed, anything involving people will not go perfectly. There are so many areas for possible mistakes and corruption - police officers, detectives, attorneys, judges, prison guards, etc. That is not totally avoidable and happens EVERYWHERE. I'd like to see a perfect system, but one does not exist. As much as we'd all like things to be different, the 80/20 rule probably applies here. Since it's such a complex system, it would be a HUGE feat to try to make changes.
While the legal system in Scandinavian countries has a very good reputation, there are still mistakes due to human nature. Third world countries are notorious for corruption of all kinds - taking bribes, not following proper protocol & laws, mistreating suspects & criminals, etc. That accounts for much of the world. If you want to hear some horror stories, look into South America, the Middle East, Africa, Asian countries...
Like I said, I am familiar with wrongful convictions and all kinds of flaws, which are horrible!! But that is not the norm like it is in much of the world. I'd like to see improvements, but everyone views things differently. While some think it's better to show more leniency, some would like to see harsher punishment. Personally, I'd like to see harsher punishments in some areas, but mostly improvements in rehabilitative programs for those who qualify...but that's another subject.
Here is one big factor to consider: judges have the authority to make decisions based on their own consideration of all aspects of a case - the suspect's past, seriousness of the crime in question, etc. Those are all nuanced and there is no black and white law to cover everything fairly. However, I totally agree that minor crimes should hold very different sentencing than violent crimes.
Of course we'd all like to see those suspected of violence to remain in jail until their trial, but they are viewed as innocent until proven guilty. Let's say you were accused of a murder you had nothing to do with. According to you, you should stay in jail until your trial. Do you see how decisions are not that simple?
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@JesusISKingNoMatterWhat I used to think in a similar way and never understood why God got the blame for bad things that happen... and then I realized that bad things just happen. I'm not blaming God because there isn't one to blame.
We have evolved into the people we are today - some are kind, some are cruel, some are generous, some are selfish, some are empathetic, some are narcissistic...and income, ethnicity, gender, and religion makes no difference.
It's very telling how the world works as if there is no God. That answers a lot of questions.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with your ex. How scary! That's horrible. I honestly mean this in all sincerity - most often, people are convinced of God because of an emotional experience they've had. There is no evidence for God, Jesus, or an afterlife. There are thousands and thousands of religions, but all are convinced there's is the right one. Peace.
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@havingfunwithashlie1980 I never said racism doesn't exist. I said America was not based on it and the systemic racism you claim exists is absolutely NOT supported by data. I've looked at it myself. Thomas Sowell has been researching it for over 50 years. Are you suggesting you know something that he doesn't know? Heather McDonald has quite possibly the most in-depth research on the subject of blacks and cops that there is. And guess what? The data does not support that.
You gave an anecdotal experience, which is not a fair assessment of the overall picture. If that were the case, then my anecdotal experience cancels yours out.
I'm a white woman married to a black man. He has 4 kids and I have 3, but they've been best friends their whole lives ( they're all adults now). Never one time has my husband or any of my step kids experienced racism. Not one time. They were all popular in school, have good jobs, haven't gotten pulled over, etc. My husband has gotten every job he's gone for, has never been pulled over except when he was speeding, and has been treated well by most people in his life. My kids, on the other hand, have been mistreated for being white. My two sons were bullied for being white and my daughter was mistreated even by a college professor. I've been called racial slurs more times than I can count. I'm not bothered by it though because it is a reflection of the person saying it, not on the one receiving it.
Also, I don't know what happened with your son. I'm not saying that discrimination never happens, but it is NOT the norm. 9 times out of 10 when someone says they were mistreated, there is much more to the story. I heard a guy recently say that the cop he was arrested by only arrested him because he was black. Everyone who heard it was horrified and angry. Well, when the facts came out, he had been involved in a gang fight and not only didn't follow the officer's orders, but fought against them. There might have been a reason your son's car was searched. I don't know.
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@PatOD75
1. I don't see where I took the bible out of context. Maybe you could state where you think that happened.
2. Just to clarify, I don't believe in the bible, but I'm very familiar with it because I was a believer for most of my life. I can point out principals, claims, and contradictions just like I could with anything else. If it's true, it should stand alone.
3. I'm not sure what was meant by "people like you are the worst". Maybe you could explain.
4. You can state that you believe there is a hell and there is sin and I can state that I am not convinced of such things. I can't help what I believe. I am no longer affected by the tradition I grew up in and no longer consider feelings as evidence. I sought out information and weighed the facts to come to the conclusions I have. What evidence do you have to back up your claims?
5. You mentioned that God knows our hearts and the killers (I don't think they were traffickers) wouldn't make it into heaven, but that's not necessarily what the bible says. The bible says people don't get to heaven by their behavior and there's only one way and that's through accepting Jesus. Well, if that killer accepted Jesus as his savior, he would go to heaven according to the bible. When Jesus said "depart from me", he was speaking of people relying on their good behavior, not people like these killers.
Also, unless Natalee specifically accepted Jesus, according to the bible, she would not go to heaven. Of course I don't believe that, but that's what it says. By the way, I didn't claim she didn't, this is just hypothetical. But you actually made a claim. Saying "the meek shall inherit the earth" is just using one scripture used out of context which contradicts others. How are you so certain that your claims are true, especially considering they don't line up with scripture?
P.S. Both scriptures you mentioned were taken out of context and do not apply in this situation.
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Most people aren't aware of the reasoning behind such laws. Thousands and thousands of missing person reports are filed every year, very few of which were actual emergencies. Over 96% of the time, there was either miscommunication or the person left on their own free will. If there is any sign of danger, a certain protocol is followed. There simply isn't enough manpower to follow up on every single report. If that were to happen, then there wouldn't be enough police to cover critical calls, such as burglaries, domestic abuse, kidnapping, car accidents, fires, shootings, etc. It's just a sad reality.
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I'm 53 and am still not used to many of the things you mentioned - wall mounted shower heads, two handle faucets, third party bank transfers, AC everywhere, loads of trash, and top loading washing machines.
However, the pay gap is not a "fact", which would explain why some don't believe it exists. There is usually an explanation for things like that, but it takes a little research to understand it. No one says climate change doesn't exist, but the causes are often assumed. Misinformation is spread, but some people have learned the truth. I've never heard anyone every say they don't believe COVID exists. Some are leery of the seriousness of it in the general public again due to misinformation. It's very telling that you called those "facts", while they are not. I enjoyed the video nonetheless.
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I think a lot of people are missing the point of this interview. It isn't to feel badly for this guy or to point out how he isn't remorseful. It's to learn. Until we start having productive conversations about tough topics like this, there's really no chance to improve things.
The best idea I can come up with is to teach psychology all throughout school. That could provide children with the opportunity to learn about relationships, personality disorders, etc. That is helpful to every child, but specifically those who have experienced trauma.
Adult predators were once victims themselves. Once they get to a certain point, there's no chance for change. I don't personally think they should ever get out of prison. I do appreciate, however, this man's willingness to put himself out there knowing full well the hate he would receive. Without people like him, we wouldn't have the opportunity to understand how they think. Thanks, Mark, for interviewing such a wide variety of guests.
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@LivenSixtyFive Sorry for the delay in response. I wanted to make sure I had time to reply to each of your comments.
I didn't say "a majority", although that's probably true. I said there are more of those people groups who discriminate by percentages and I stand by that. Have you been to any of those countries? People of other ethnicities are not very welcome in Korea, China, Japan, the Middle East, and Africa, including blacks and whites. Not only are most not accepting, but the majority of families look down upon and HIGHLY discourage relationships between ethnicities. That's very well known, so I'm not sure why I would be challenged about that.
It's also very obvious that having white friends is extremely discouraged in black dominated areas (inner city). Have you been there? Not only do many blacks in those areas look down upon having relationships with whites, they even bully blacks who have lighter skin. Maybe you haven't heard from those who have had those experiences, but that's also a well known fact. I didn't say my husband had that experience. He grew up in California. Lol. I would never use anecdotal experiences to make a claim anyway.
I also didn't say that hate crimes are BS...although I loathe that term, but that's another topic. I said many of the Asian "hate crimes" that were in the media were BS. You'd have to look into each one, but many were proven false. One example was the black man who was strung out on drugs, was flailing his arms and just happened to hit an Asian man. That was labeled a "hate crime" although it clearly wasn't. In fact, the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey) clearly shows that overall violent crime rates have declined, including against Asians.
It's interesting that you would assume I don't look at all sides because that is EXACTLY what I do and have done my entire adult life. My husband and I are the exact same in that way. We both look into facts and evidence in addition to listening to different sides of a topic. We are critical thinkers who do our own research.
As far as your reasons as to why racism still thrives, A & C are basically one in the same. BLM is a good example of that. I'm not sure how B would encourage racism. Feel free to provide examples of where I did that.
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Kathy Rheinfrank Maybe I should read the bible? I'm not sure why you're assuming I haven't. Maybe you aren't aware of the many times God killed people or commanded others murder.
Are you familiar with the flood? Imagine rain falling for the first ever as the water slowly rises on the ground. People start to swim, try to find higher ground, grab onto things that float, desperately trying to keep ahold of their children. As water levels rise even more, many drown while some tread water until they finally give up. A mother watches her child drown. A pregnant woman clutching her two small children sink to the bottom, gasping for air, only to die a horrible death.
Are you familiar with the many wars found in the Old Testament where God calls his people to slaughter entire towns of people, women and children included? At least one time he tells the soldiers to keep the virgins alive for themselves. I wonder what they planned on doing with the virgins?
God also sent famine, diseases, plagues which all resulted in deaths, including killing all first born babies and animals in Egypt. There are also individuals named who God kills. Those are just some things that popped into mind. The fact that he called for the slaughter of animals simply for sacrifice is a completely different moral issue. Also, the idea that he created a torture chamber to torture people forever is not a loving thought.
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Rather than focusing on compassion for a victim who chooses to stay in an abusive relationship, the best thing society can do is to encourage others to leave. It would be far more valuable to educate the public about human psychology, self-esteem, relationships, red flags to look for, how to safely leave, etc.
Her sweet friend said that things were good 95% of the time, but that doesn't seem accurate at all. They were all in a toxic relationship, drank heavily, there was abuse, jealousy...
It does seem very likely that Zach had proposed to Eileen, which is what she told Cristina. Cristina might have started the attack. We may never know.
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@abcdefghijklmno1009 I guess I'm speaking in general of schools throughout the majority of California and throughout the west coast. We have 7 kids and have heard hundreds of first hand stories from at least 9 different schools so far, all the way from elementary through universities. I've also spoken at length to hundreds of people in different social media groups that have pointed out the exact same experiences, similar to what I mentioned. Your area sounds much less extreme, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening elsewhere.
Each of our experiences are anecdotal, but when the vast majority of experiences are the same, it's fair to say that that's happening the majority of the time. It's to the point that students who don't share leftist politics are understandably afraid to share their views and usually remain quiet. They are literally silenced by fear and bullying. I've seen it first hand many, many times.
The Democrat vs Republican view I mentioned is not a fair representation of what the parties stand for. I am independent and am not affiliated with a political party, but it is definitely not fair to say it's about people vs money. It's more about whether to have boundaries and take care of our own country first. It's much more nuanced than people vs money.
I don't know of one person, including some of the religious extremists I know, who do not support LGBTQ rights. I don't mean special treatment, but actual equal rights. No doubt there are some who oppose gay marriage, for example, but those numbers are greatly dwindling, according to current stats. Your teacher sounds very balanced, which is a healthy perspective to have. I wish there were more teachers like that.
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She clearly searches for ways to claim "racism" where it does not exist. There could be many reasons some people don't look others in the eye. It's not uncommon to walk around and not have direct eye contact with everyone you come in contact with. Also, knowing she is the president's wife, people might feel intimidated.
Today I went to a concert in a park in our town. An older couple was walking by and appeared to glare at our car right after we parked. I don't make assumptions, so we were kind of joking about it. I said, they could be thinking, "We have the same car", or they could just be people who appear angry, but aren't. I said if I were black, I could have assumed it was due to my skin color, which is common these days. Funny thing is, the couple ended up sitting next to us and we had a very pleasant conversation with them and everyone else around us. They were happy people, but just didn't look like it as they were walking in. Moral of the story: if you're looking to find "racism", you'll find it... whether it exists or not.
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@naturallaw1733 Not at all. He's an incredibly intelligent economist, social theorist and writer who has common sense. I never thought I'd find economics interesting, but he explains things so simply. If you're interested in checking him out, I've read all of his book and there are video clips of him right here on YouTube.
Here is the comment I left under this video:
I'm not so sure about everything she was saying. She mentioned slavery as a reason for today's drug problem, but that's not accurate. Blacks were doing very well between 1900-1960s. Employment was great, families were intact, crime was low, income was steady... all until the introduction of welfare. A different culture developed after that.
Also, she focused on treatment rather than prevention, which should be the other way around. Prevention, which can include self awareness and psychological support, starting at a young age (in school), is far superior to any treatment, especially considering that treatment can only happen post addiction. Treatment centers are not largely successful, unfortunately. That's the best we have right now, but we can do better.
Of course I agree that there is much to learn about mental health and that incarceration is not helpful in those cases involving drugs. However, we shouldn't neglect recognizing that some of these psychosis develop as a result of the drugs.
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@naturallaw1733 It's very strange how you throw out the term "idealogue" inappropriately. It seems obvious that you are not familiar with Thomas Sowell. He hates politics and uses critical thinking skills, as do I. I loathe politics and think for myself. You're making unfounded assumptions, which is very telling. What ideologies are you suggesting I espouse to, because I'm not aware of any myself? Lol
You might want to check out Thomas Sowell's books or videos to learn about his research, none of which is political in the least.
One book I found fascinating is "Black Rednecks and White Liberals", which goes through the influence of white southerners in the US. Blacks were highly influenced by white southerners who were largely made up of those formerly from northern England, known as "Crackers". Their culture is still often seen in the south, which includes southern blacks - less focus on education, careers, family, and more focus on external "wealth" (cars, jewelry, clothing), fighting, and sex.
You asked why blacks would need welfare if they were doing well, and the short answer is - they didn't. Once white guilt set in, the welfare state was established, which did FAR more harm than good. Women were told they would get government assistance if the father didn't live in the home. So, guess what? Often times, they would lie in order to get "free" money. The facts are all there to discover. Blacks were doing far better in general DESPITE their lack of civil rights than they are doing now. Something changed.
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@Christie Prince Maggie being embarrassed by the boat incident is hardly serious. No doubt she felt uncomfortable going around town, as she had been used to being viewed as an elite. After the boat crash, she was viewed in a negative light.
As far as what Paul experienced, I didn't hear of any serious threats against his life. No doubt people were angry that he was out free after a girl died, but there was really nothing to gain from killing him. There was an upcoming trial where they would have had an opportunity to speak and possibly see him convicted. With him dead, all of that was gone.
How would they even know where to find Paul? He wasn't going to be home at that time, and there was no way of knowing that he was at the kennels. And why kill Maggie?
I wasn't referring to the lies in a biased way. The pack of lies are a key part of this trial. It's one thing to lie about driving while intoxicated, petty theft, etc., but quite another to plot massive theft and misappropriation of funds for decades, lie to police about details of the night of the murders, etc. Are you suggesting those have no bearing on the case?
I'll ask again - what solid evidence have you heard that supports revenge?
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@user-hx7mi7ml8u "The college" didn't "use alcohol to urge kids to do bad stuff", nor did they"buy alcohol for underaged kids". Some of the fraternity brothers allegedly told him to drink alcohol as part of a pledge hazing, but he had a say in that. He was not forced to do anything. If he had been, that would be a different story.
Personally, I think it's a horrible idea to encourage anyone, let alone underaged kids, to drink alcohol like that. BUT, the point is, he is responsible for his own actions. I also think it's horrible to watch someone get blinding drunk and not get them help. It's probably fair to say that they were all drinking and possibly drunk.
I can't imagine offering kids alcohol as an adult. I think the story you shared is a very different situation. She provided alcohol to minors on her own property. I don't know how old these frat boys are, but they might be underaged themselves. I guess we'll find out. Whatever the case, I've never witnessed anything like that and would be horrified to see what happens at some of these college parties. 😳
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@powderandpaint14 You made a good point. If I had thought it through better, I probably would have used the word "prejudice", as that seems more fitting here. I might even edit my original comment. I think I was just going by her own wording.
Racism has been happening since time began and does not have to do with skin color, nor was it only "white against black". It stems from a majority dominating a smaller group of people no matter their skin color. In fact, in many countries, there are those of the same skin color who are mistreated.
Racism absolutely can be any ethnicity against any other ethnicity. In fact, racism is more common in non-white groups such as Asians, blacks, Jewish, Middle Easterners, etc. Personally, I view people as individuals, but if we're talking statistics, there is no more accepting group than white people. They are, after all, who fought against slavery. The Western world is the most accepting area in the world, insisting on equal rights.
I've learned a lot from Thomas Sowell. If you're interested, all of his books are outstanding.
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@thesongbird2383 So, are you saying that people get a choice in the matter? Is it not God, according to your beliefs, that dishes out the torture? Do you think that children raised in the Middle East, for example, aren't going to naturally believe in the religion they were raised in? Would you expect adults to completely turn away from the religion they were indoctrinated with since birth? What kind of being would torture someone for that reason?
According to your beliefs, God created Hell and all that happens in it. He didn't have to create a torture chamber. He could have poofed people out of existence, but he chose to torture them instead. You're okay with that?
The bible does not say that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. Believers, no matter if they have cheated, murdered, or raped, can go to heaven. Unbelievers go to Hell, even if they have been selfless, kind, generous, and honest. You don't see a problem with that?
Do you believe there is free will in heaven? If so, then what's stopping bad things from happening there? If you believe we don't have free will in heaven, then how are people not "robots". It's very telling how believers compare free will to being robots, as of there is no in between. If you were in charge, would you set limits like - making it impossible for babies to get raped or would you just let that happen??
God created "sin", so it seems extremely arrogant to command people to ask forgiveness from God after he killed himself to pay the price for the thing he made up himself. No doubt we could have come up with a much better (less bloody and torturous) plan.
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@judysmith3249 Why do you assume what I know and don't know about the bible? I studied it for 40 years. Nothing I said isn't true. You are making unfounded claims.
I didn't say you were rude. I said your words were cruel. They don't affect me whatsoever, but some people take that mythology seriously. I was just pointing out that telling people they are going to hell is not a good way of getting people to listen to what you have to say. After you said I was going to hell, you said you care. That's showing what a fake person you are.
I am not hellbent on going to Hell as I don't believe in Hell. There is absolutely no objective evidence for your god, so I have no reason to assume he or hell exists. In fact, there is no objective evidence that "Jesus", the character in the bible, existed let alone died and was raised from the dead.
If you are interested in learning factual history, you'd have to first be brave enough to step outside the religious bubble. Most people are not as they are too afraid of what they might discover. I'm very glad I did because I now realize there is no need to live in fear of hell, the devil, or any gods.
The bible barely mentions not harming children. In fact, it recommends stoning children to death if they disobey their parents. That was a sick and twisted law commanded by "god".
Are you suggesting that it's okay if children are abused because they go to heaven anyway? Where is your evidence?
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Wow. She played nice for a while until those cops were disrespectful and ruined her chances of a future with her boyfriend. 🙄 I mean, I don't know why they had a problem that she was driving without a wheel, had an open beer in the car, had a revoked license, couldn't stand up straight, blew a .195, aggressively spewed insults, removed her seat belt, got out of her handcuffs twice, continually kicked the seat, and spit on the officer. She seemed okay to me.
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@ojibwayne2896 I'm sorry, I'm a little lost with your questions and examples.
To start with, n.o, I'm not saying it's okay. You said that's what I'm saying. Personally, I'd like to see those instances handled very seriously. Some people just don't have the proper temperament or personality to be a good officer.
But what you seem to be suggesting is that there is some magical way to get rid of all "bad" cops. There are "bad" teachers, civic leaders, pastors, doctors, judges... There is only so much that can be done to prevent or curtail that from happening. People are flawed. Period..m
There is intense training for the police department. So if someone completes the necessary training, applies for a job and gets the job, how are we to know if they will be a "good" or "bad" cop? There is a process just like most jobs where employees can be written up for bad behavior. Sometimes they get away with it and no one wants to see that happen. But that has to be dealt with individually and per county by the appropriate governing bodies.
You asked why cops don't say why they pull you over. I've wondered that myself and don't know the answer to that. Maybe there's a good reason, maybe thats something that would be better to change. I don't know. I'm not sure what significance that has here.
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@cellylozwe4853 That sounded very nice, positive and loving. I used to think of God in those ways. After I allowed myself to think logically though, I looked at my lingering questions very deeply and faced them head-on.
God is said to be holy and just, yet he created evil. He didn't have to. He created people to be flawed and capable of doing terrible things, like rape children and murder innocent people. He didn't have to. He set up certain boundaries - like, we can't fly, see through walls, or bend our elbow backwards. I'd rather people not be able to rape.
I'm okay now with knowing there are no gods. There's no way I could worship a "perfect" being who created a world where some animals have to kill each other to survive, where natural disasters kill thousands every year, and where diseases affect every single person.
I cannot justify the jealous God of the bible commanding and committing mass genocide, slaughtering of animals and children and created a torture chamber that lasts an eternity for those who won't worship him. Hell wasn't created for those who commit atrocities (rape, murder, child abuse); it was created for those who won't bow down to God. I personally find that incredibly disturbing.
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@cellylozwe4853 I'm not sure if you read my last message, but my thoughts are still the same.
If God created the world, he created evil.
God does not protect children from harm.
According to the bible, God has killed millions, regularly commanded others to kill, and condones slavery.
I don't find any justice in the idea of people being tortured forever in hell. I find that incredibly disturbing and unconscionable.
I can think my thoughts because of my brain. I don't believe God gave me any special "free will" to think whatever I like. If so, then I thought my way right out of religion. According to the bible, I will go to hell for an eternity for using my brain to reason through facts, evidence and logic to come to the conclusion I have. Thankfully, hell is just a man made idea, but it has still caused so much unnecessary stress and anxiety in many people. 💔
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I'm not so sure about everything she was saying. She mentioned slavery as a reason for today's drug problem, but that's not accurate. Blacks were doing very well between 1900-1960s. Employment was great, families were intact, crime was low, income was steady... all until the introduction of welfare. A different culture developed after that.
Also, she focused on treatment rather than prevention, which should be the other way around. Prevention, which can include self awareness and psychological support, starting at a young age (in school), is far superior to any treatment, especially considering that treatment can only happen post addiction. Treatment centers are not largely successful, unfortunately. That's the best we have right now, but we can do better.
Of course I agree that there is much to learn about mental health and that incarceration is not helpful in those cases involving drugs. However, we shouldn't neglect recognizing that some of these psychosis develop as a result of the drugs.
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@juanreese6933
I do understand what you're saying, and hate to see assumptions, public "convictions", exaggeration, etc. I always try to stay in check when looking into a case, as to avoid jumping to conclusions. I speak against such things regularly, as I follow a lot of true crime.
I just discovered this case a couple of weeks ago and started gathering evidence from a completely neutral place. While there was not a literal smoking gun, I have heard and seen tons of powerful evidence. There is too much to list here, but his lies alone about critical points in the case (being at the kennels, taking a nap, time spent at his mom's, clothing he was wearing, etc.) was enough to take note of. Add those to the very serious situation he was in that day at work, the financial misdeeds, son's upcoming trial, etc. Also, the vehicle and phone forensics are damning.
The closing argument made a lot of sense to me. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means that there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence presented at trial.
There was no other alternative explanation offered, not even by the defense. Alec mentioned there might have been someone who was angry about the boat incident, but there was no evidence presented to support that idea. Also, there was no way of anyone knowing who would be home, where, and when. Too many coincidences would had to be at play for that to have even been considered.
While it's extremely heartbreaking to know that innocent people are sometimes wrongly convicted, there is no valid reason to think that happened in this case.
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@hanagloriaedelblum5693 I was a believer for over 4 decades, until I finally realized that no one is there. I went on a deep dive of the Bible, including its origin, which was very eye opening. All religions are man made and there is no objective evidence for the supernatural.
I don't feel any warmth from any supernatural being. I'd gladly give up any good in my life if children could be safe from harm. If there is a god, then he sits idly by watching babies and children being starved, abused, raped, kidnapped, murdered...I hate to use such horrific examples, but that's the harsh reality of life. How is any of that due to "personal responsibility"?
Sure, we have choices, but plenty of people endure all kinds of pain and trauma from natural means too - earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, fires, volcanoes, etc.
I just heard a story the other day where a family was out enjoying nature together when all of a sudden a tree fell on top of both kids and it killed them. How in the world did they deserve that??
I don't say any of this in an argumentative way, but in hopes of spurring on critical thinking.
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SuperRinickulous It's interesting how you are telling me what I think. Feel free to ask. No, I don't have those assumptions. I am responding to those who believe God had something to do with this violence and/or the Go Fund Me. They are claiming that God involved himself. Following that idea, he could have prevented it. I'm simply using it as a thought experiment.
You talk about having bad in order to appreciate good. Personally, I find that to be a HUGE stretch to try to make sense of all the horrible things that happen in this world.
So are you saying that without children getting raped, car accidents, horrible diseases, wars and the like that we just couldn't possibly appreciate life? I beg to differ.
I do not discount that hard work and struggle can result in a deeper appreciation, but that's not always the case. Each person is different. It's like saying A+B always equals C. It doesn't. Look at the trillions of people who have suffered and end up suffering with addiction, depression or repeating bad behavior.
I did not commit a logical fallacy that I can see. In fact, following the laws of debate, the believer would first have to prove their god, which has never been done before. I don't have to prove that. Of course we don't know anything besides what we can decipher with our senses, but we CAN reason that the god of the bible is not real. There is far too much evidence to discount that possibility.
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@pewpew7902 I didn't say I knew exactly what happened here, but I'm also not going to assume everything they said is exactly what went down. People seem to want to believe horror stories, when this type of thing is extremely rare, which is why it was on the news. I just find it extremely hard to believe. At the very most, it was due to one person's wrongdoing, which would cancel out the second appraisal.
First of all, comps aren't chosen according to demographics, they're chosen according to similarities. It wouldn't make sense for an appraiser to look in a "predominantly black neighborhood" for a comp. That just doesn't happen. Secondly, if the first appraiser was racist, then there would be no reason to "whiten" the house for a different appraiser.
It seems very apparent that the homeowners look for ways to be offended and I can't say that didn't play a part here, but I don't know. There isn't enough information shared in this interview to know one way or the other. I'm just saying it's highly unlikely that "whitening" their house had and affect at all. Their "experiment" shows nothing, as it's not how proper experiments are done. As doctors, they should know that.
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@garkmr6200 It seems your idea of instantly incinerating a person who harms a child is much more moral than God's. I think most people would agree. Why create people capable of such things? Why create Satan?
I find it very confusing that you see "sins" as equal. I'm not sure the majority of Christians really truly believe that. So you see raping and murdering a child equal to say, desiring something that someone else has? Honestly.
Where do we draw the line? How about at the very least, not allowing the torturing of children? That would be my choice. How about at least that?
Do you believe there is free will in heaven? What evidence do you have of the afterlife?
If you consider nature to be evidence of God, then you'd have to look at all of nature. Sure, there are the nice parts, the pretty things, but the horrors and messy parts can't be ignored.
Our bodies can't handle the sun or weather (hot and cold temperatures), we can get sick by eating certain foods, animals kill each other for food, there is flesh eating bacteria, gnats, ticks, mosquitoes that carry disease, ocean water is plentiful (71% of earth), but our bodies can't use it, MANY diseases, genetic defects, poisonous plants, earthquakes, lightning, tsunamis, floods, volcanoes, hurricanes, drought, landslides, avalanches... It's like a fight to be able to survive nature.
To be blunt, I didn't hear of any "overwhelming" evidence. If following the scientific method, saying nature is evidence is simply not applicable.
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