Comments by "Solo Renegade" (@SoloRenegade) on "MGUY Australia"
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exactly. Whether moving or non-moving, the more total points of failure you have, the higher statistical likelihood you'll get a failure. Every single cell within a battery is individual critical to the success of teh vehicle.
I can't think of any one comparable component in an ICE car that is so critical to safety as a single cell of an EV battery.
Any one cell goes up, you lose your car, possibly your home, possibly your life.
If any one component fails on an ICE car, you just aren't going anywhere that day, or you pull to the side of the road and call a tow. And there are nowhere near to 7000 critical points of failure in a single ICE car, and that doesn't include an EVs other critical failure points like the brakes, tie rods, ball joints, wheel bearings, suspension arms, shocks and struts, swaybar, transmission, etc.
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@badchefi "Replacing his solar with same size panel would be stupid."
I know that, you're the one missing the point.
"People crying about their systems on here are blaming the bread - it’s not an argument it’s a reality when folks just go and buy stuff."
correct, they are blaming eth lack of adequate solar energy. Switching to solar wouldn't prevent that. Adding more solar hot water would be far more space and energy efficient that switching to solar panels.
"My off grid system covers all our needs all year around."
nobody cares. Where I live, you couldn't go pure solar. Perpetual clouds 60% of the year, only a few hours of sunlight per day in the winter. not enough space. I did all teh math, oversized, added batteries, etc. into my calculations. I'd have to cover every square inch of my property in solar panels to live off-grid. I'd have to cut down all my trees and all my neighbor's trees too, cover my House, driveway, yard, etc. And then it would take 44yrs to pay it off (reach the break even point).
"So I guess that for a stupid guy with no knowledge of math and physics I did well🤣"
nope, someone else did the work for you. And you still can't grasp the issue being presented to you.
"At least I don’t have to come on here crying how shit solar is."
no, instead you come here and berate everyone you deem inferior to you, and you bludgeon others with your perceived superiority, while ignoring the very real limitations of solar for most people on earth. not every local can depend upon solar. Where I live the energy companies built solar fields. But they tore them all down after a few years becasue it cost them more than they made. And an entire solar field would barely power a few homes.
You lack understanding. You have an ego-driven bias. you can't see past your own nose. you think that since it worked for you, that it can work for 100% of everyone else too. But that is naive childish ignorance.
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I bought a 2004 Buick Lesabre with 25k miles for $8k 9yrs ago. Including purchase cost, insurance, fuel, a set of tires, wipers, oil changes, some maintenance, etc. I've spent a grand total of roughly $18k on the car in those 9yrs, costing about $2k per year of ownership. But over time that cost per year goes down as the purchase cost gets further divided up. And I could probably sell the car today for over $10k, bringing the final cost of ownership down to less than $1k/yr including gasoline/insurance. I drive an average of 12k mi per year.
depreciation doesn't apply to old-enough used ICE cars.
A general rule of thumb my Father taught me decades ago was that for every $1k you spend on a car (not counting fuel, oil changes, insurance...) in purchase cost and repairs, it should last you 1 year of ownership. And yet I'm getting below that figure even factoring in things like gas. If I own this car for about 1-3 more years, I will have exceeded my Father's advice (and this will be my 3rd vehicle in a row in which I've exceeded his advice). Free Ford Ranger I drove for 6yrs (got it free after having been totaled twice by someone else), $2k Ford Taurus I drove for 8yrs, an $8k Buick Lesabre I've driven for 9+years, and a $7k 1992 rust free F150 I've just started driving. The most I ever spent on any one of these cars in repairs totaled to about $2k for everything (that was the Taurus, $600 for the Ranger, $1000 for the Buick so far).
A $60k EV car would require me to own it for over 60years to be financially viable, I'll be dead before then.
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@seannewman5391 "They will go away with newer batteries like LFP and Sodium."
no they wont
"I am talking specifically of the likelihood you house will burn down because of an EV fire. It is Extremely unlikely in comparison to other causes."
yet, homes, parking garages, ocean transport ships , etc. are starting on fire. No one is banning ICE from hospitals and parking garages and more, but they are EV.
Also, look at EV ownership insurance rates....insurance rates tell the truth. Insurance on coastal properties isn't going up, proving climate change and sea level rise is not a real threat. but EV insurance rates are sky high, proving they are a threat. And insurance companies are choosing not to insure buildings with EVs parked inside, proving they are a threat.
Not one insurance policy cites appliance fires as a house fire risk.
How does an EV fire happen, vs how a typical house electrical fire happen? Do you even know the difference? Bet you don't.
1) you have no clue how many EV house fires, so you just made up a wild guess, and so none of your math is valid.
2) how catastrophic are most house fires due to other causes? EV is catastrophic loss. Many house fires are minor and easily put out without losing the entire building, often times with only minor damage. thing is, you specifically avoid stating the cause and conditions of non-EV fires.
"Here we are now with the technology moved on 30 years and its even better still, and in another 20 years time this won't be a discussion point anymore."
and yet we STILL charge the batteries in kevlar fire bags even today.......
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@javelinXH992 no, I just don't care to. you know how to find the answers you seek, so just do it. stop whining. I could if I wanted to. But I'm deep into researching other topics in intricate detail right now instead. I researched renewable energy, climate change, and EV nonsense for years, then grew tired of it due to all the people who just didn't care about the truth. I warned people about EV, the grid, wind turnbine recycling, climate lies, and more for years now. I've moved on to other new exciting topics to dive into. There wasn't much left for me to learn in those other topics to keep me interested anymore. I learned what I needed to and the crazies couldn't ever prove me wrong.
yes, I'm being rude, becasue people like you are rude and I respond in kind.
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@Freba9 Quote from where?
And what is the total energy loss of electricity when you factor in the manufactuirng and energy production and infrastructure of the electrical generation and transmission? We're already over 6% just for the last leg. We haven't factored in production, how that energy is produced, how it's maintained and transported over larger distances, etc.
You did it for gas/diesel (assumping that quote is accurate), now do the same for electricity.
To generate enough electricity to charge enough EVs for everyone, you're going to need a MASSIVE increase in the number of Coal, oil, and gas fired power plants, much like what China is doing. And don't forget to include infrastructure damage and fire emissions when EVs burn and take out roads, bridges, buildings, entire parking lots, etc.
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@gppsoftware Traxxas RC was not high end racing like I grew up around. It's fun for sure.
But I grew up racing with my Dad on weekends in the 1980s and 1990s in a 3-state racing league. Racing pan cars, off-road trucks and buggies, starting back when the RC10 gold pan was the knew hot item. The high performance racing machines and tuned motors, and guys were running so hot they knew almost to within a few seconds of how long their battery would last for the gear ratios they were running. I've de-soldered the wires from the motors mid-race from running so hot. I've pushed RC on-road race cars so hard in the corners that we'd shatter the wheel rims and suspension parts from the forces (cornering, and down force). We'd be going so fast with pan cars or touring cars that a change to the plastic body/wing aerodynamics would massively upset the handling of your car and cause you to crash from loss of grip (unable to turn or too loose and spin out).
And people were far more serious about it than we were. When pushing cars that hard you get fires. I still have many of my cars. I have multiple carbon fiber racing chassis that alone (no motor, electronics, wheels, body, radio, etc.) cost more than you would spend on an entire Traxxas truck with everything included to run it. I don't race much now. But my point is that I'm talking about high end racing, to professional level RC racing. And how we used to run NiCd, then Nimh, then Lithium batteries over the years as technology changed. The RC aircraft guys switched to lithium first of course, due to weight, and I fly RC too. My dad and I always ran electric RC, neither of us ever got into nitro, and in the early days nitro was the thing due to power and run time. But eventually electric took over and now dominates. We were early advocates of electric and I'd debate other RC guys constantly and would show them electric was dominating. Used to be a struggle to convince the nitro guys, but a few decades ago the nitro guys could no longer deny they'd been whipped as all the records were being held by electric cars and by a wide margin.
But the RC community are unsung pioneers of battery technologies. They were always early adopters of the latest battery technologies. Largely due to their scale making such technologies more accessible earlier on, and their low risk if things went wrong.
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@casperhansen826 "oh it will, everyone will want an EV including you! "
wrong. you know why? because i'm decades ahead of you. I wanted an EV decades ago, when I was younger and more naive. then EVs became real, and suddenly all teh realities came out, and we realized it's not the hype it's made out to be.
A few years ago an Youtuber did two >2000mi trips in his Tesla. My car did the same trips 8hrs faster and cost $7 less in gas for the trip than he paid to charge his Tesla. And that was before electric prices went up in recent years.
my car also doesn't have kill switches, wire tapping of my phones, I can fix it myself easily, no gov monitoring me while I drive, no corporate software updates, etc.
"Soon your local car dealer will close, the service center,"
never needed them before, why do I need them now?
"your favorite car brand will most likely go bankrupt within this decade."
that happened already decades ago. same is true for your favorite EV company....
gas stations will not close. not any time soon. also, I can make my own fuel if necessary.
regarding teh topic of EVs and cars in general, you're incredibly ignorant, naive, uninformed, uneducated, or some combination of those.
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@johnchandler1687 correct, we were down to ~210ppm, and at 180ppm all plat life other than grasses begins to die. Historical levels of CO2 during the greatest periods of biodiversity on earth were around 4000ppm, and life thrived!
Not only that, but Methane is another gas, but has little to no impact on our temps, as our sun doesn't emit enough light energy on the spectrum that methane absorbs.
you could argue that temps increased ~0.8C since we've gone from 200ppm to 400ppm, but many things have also happened in that time so who is to say all of it is due to CO2. But due to CO2 having a logarithmic effect, to get to 1.6C warming (assuming it was all due to CO2 alone), we'd have to get to 800ppm, and to get to 2.4C warming, we'd then have to get to 1600ppm, and to get to 3.2C warming, we'd have to get to 3200ppm of CO2. And 3.2C warming (2.4C warmer than we are today) wouldn't even bother anything. In fact it would make more land usable and farmable.
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@williammeek4078 as I've debated with others multiple times before: if it works for YOU, Great! I'm happy for you.
but that doesn't give you the right to force it on others. It
I pay $12/month for insurance on my sedan, and at 20yrs old it still gets 44mpg, 36mpg on winter gas. I paid half what you did for my car.
I spend about $1000-2000 per year on gas, but I drive more than you.
replaced the tires once on my car for $400.
Replaced all 4 shocks and struts myself in 1hr too, for the cost of parts. Oil changes cost $15 total and take me about 30min. Wipers cost about $30 every other year. Replaced a few light bulbs here and there (headlight, blinker, taillight,trunk light...) on a 20yr old car.
total cost of ownership for me so far is about $23,000 over 2x as many years as you.
and my previous car cost even less. ($2k to purchase, drove it for years at 36mpg, replaced a few things over the years including 2 sets of tires, battery, shocks, swaybar, ball joints, CV axles, gas was typically under $2/gal back then). Blew a head gasket, regret not putting a new/rebuilt engine in it as it would have been rather cheap ($3k for a 0mile engine at the time, and due to my upkeep the car was in great condition still).
and my previous truck cost less too. (free truck due to being totaled in collisions 2x, got 27mpg, drove it for years with almost no maintenance, just an alternator, battery, and 2 tires on the rear, gas was as low as $0.85/gal back then). Sold it for $300 and it went through 2 more owners and nearly 10yrs more of driving.
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@Audioremedy0785 "as a quick little fact check, there are 7.9bn people in the world and last time I checked, not every one of them had cars. Most toddlers don’t."
You're not very bright are you? By me rounding UP and assuming Everyone was in teh market, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. But now you're just making my case for me, and arguing against yourself.
1) still no source, just your word, and I asked you specifically for a source on that. Try again.
2) " If 98% of EV owners are converting from ICE cars as estimated), then sales can go down and their market share would still increase."
you clearly have no idea how market share works. If people are switching to EV from ICE, then ICE market share is going down. How do you et rising demand for ICE? By having dropping demand for EV.
8 of those EV sales in your example are the same people buying another EV. so you're more like 88/12 with dropping EV demand. 10 people buy EVs, then 10 more buy EVs while 4 switch back to ICE.
EVs last about 2-6yrs tops, and most well off people who understand money know that keeping an EV longer than 2yrs costs them dearly in depreciation. And the insurance for EVs is far higher too.
"There are some brilliant economics websites aimed at kids online that you could learn a lot from "
Well, that explains a lot. Now I know where you got your ideas from.... Maybe when you're older, all grown up, consuming adult content, and actually own a car, we can have this debate again.
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