Comments by "Solo Renegade" (@SoloRenegade) on "Steve Lehto"
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100% Wrong
Doctor comes from Doctorate, as in Doctorate Degree. it has literally NOTHING to do with medicine.
the title Doctor is bestowed upon literally Anyone who earns a doctoral degree in any subject. Philosophy, history, engineering, math, physics, etc.
PhD = Doctorate of Philosophy
MD = Doctorate of Medicine
Medical doctors are a subset of the larger group of doctors. They do not have sole rights to that title. and if it's so confusing, then medical doctors, if anyone, should be stripped of the right to use that title if they feel it's causing so much confusion, as it is medical people who have co-opted the term improperly in teh first place.
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@meloniedropik3539 Doctor =/= Physician
you've already stated the solution. MDs need to go by "Physician", as was the case originally before MDs co-opted the title "Doctor", and stupidly claimed it meant something it doesn't.
if MDs aren't smart enough to read and comprehend a dictionary and know they are the ones in the wrong, then they need to have their degrees/licenses stripped.
Notice how non-MDs don't use the title "physician", since they know full well they are not one? But they are Doctors, and have every right to use the title. Morse so than MDs in fact, since MD was not the first Doctoral Degree.
"The woman in the story Steve read needed to accept that she needed to have the credentials of a physician to call herself Dr. Sara when dealing with patients in a health care setting."
100% wrong. She needs only the credentials of Doctor to call herself Doctor, which she holds. To call herself a "physician", she needs an MD specifically, which she didn't have, nor claimed to have.
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@meloniedropik3539 Doctor = anyone with a Doctoral degree of ANY kind, period.
Anyone with a Doctoral degree can use the title Dr., ask to be called Doctor, and use that title freely, without restriction
Physician = a medical doctor, MD
Only Medical Doctors can call themselves Physicians, and use the MD and Physician name. But they can also use the title Doctor since they hold doctoral degrees.
It's just like how only Professional Pilots can call themselves Professionals, if they hold a Commercial or higher license. All other pilots are just recreational pilots. But professional pilots can't tell other pilots they can't claim to be a pilot at an airport.
"I thank you for the civil, if contentious, discussion. I suspect that neither of us is going to concede any points, so I understand if you choose not to engage further. I will not interpret it as though I have convinced you."
I must say, you are the first person to say something like this in online discussion, that I have seen. You've earned respect from me for doing so.
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@SmallSpoonBrigade Fair, but in general most wont need it. But medical doctors don't have exclusive rights to use the title of Doctor. They never have had that right. And no state can pass laws curtailing free speech in this manner, they do not have legal authority to overrule the US Constitution. There would be no confusion among patients if they were properly educated and informed. All they need to do is tell people that if the Doctor doesn't have MD in their title, then they are not a Medical Doctor, that simple.
Banning rights and criminally prosecuting innocent people just so others wont be confused is a tyrannical solution to the problem.
The real solution is telling Doctors they need to start a nationwide effort to explain to all their patients the difference between a Doctor with an MD, and a Doctor with something else. In this way, everyone eventually learns the truth, confusion is removed. Have all the gov public schools teach it too. Now no one is harmed needlessly, and people can enjoy their freedoms tyranny free.
The Founding Fathers knew that education was crucial to maintaining a free society. we used to have a good education system, and people used to know and understand this stuff, and not need the gov to intervene every time they didn't know something. People used to take personal responsibility (a critical necessity for a person to be free).
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@OnkyoGrady "However, you can't say what the role of gov is, and i can't either. " I can say what the role of gov is, as I understand why gov exists at all. And you could too if you read up on it more.
There are set primary roles of gov, regardless of public opinion, and then their are roles gov can take on that are debatable whether they should or not.
"I think an incredible case can be made for our model, buy others can do likewise. We can point to material and economic excellence, and they can point to their own metrics wins to justify their own methods (happiness, infant mortality, education etc)." Of course. I think the underlying ideas the US Founding Fathers built upon are superior to anything else ever devised (and that is based upon facts and evidence, not just blind bias), but the modern US has strayed from this vision. Some things weren't provisioned for and so needed changing, other things are blatant power grabs of corporations and politicians, and other things are idealistic notions of lazy people that don't actually work as advertised.
I actually have a document I'm working on creating for a revised US gov that builds upon the ideas of the Founding Fathers, US Constitution, and more, but accounts for modern issues, while devising ways to limit corruption and such better. It solves healthcare, education, and more. The hope is that if I can lay out a complete idea (keeping in mind no idea is, or ever will be, perfect) people will better understand what I mean and how it works in totality, and can be modelled in simulations or games to show that it does in fact work as advertised (and if not, make changes until it does).
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