Comments by "Solo Renegade" (@SoloRenegade) on "Logically Answered"
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@gamm8939 You make the incorrect assumption of thinking we'll be sending everything there. Mars has their own resources. Once enough is established they become more and more self-sufficient. And with mining in space, we don't need to send everything from earth either. Population growth is how materials are handled. Who cares if things like platinum and gold become common and less rare? just means we can do more things with it more affordably. This wont happen overnight, so the markets wont be flooded. Also, diamonds are "rare" resource industry that is artificially controlled to keep the prices from tanking (not that i agree with it).
You are short-sighted in your thinking, and fail to consider a myriad of variables that will be in play simultaneously. I wouldn't expect many human "settlements" beyond Mars, Luna and maybe Ceres within 100yrs either. But it's not stupid to go to these places regardless. There is much to learn from exploring other planets and moons. And if we want to survive as species well into the future, we have to get off earth. No matter what, someday our sun will consume the planet, no matter how pristine we kept it by then. Mars and beyond is a stepping stone to getting out of this solar system to avoid the extinction of known intelligent life (or moving further out from the sun at the very least). A one-way trip to Alpha Centauri is Completely doable once we have the ships and technology to pull it off. But to get to that point we need to go out and push the boundaries.
If you say you can't do it, then you can't. But we can do it, and we will. Your free to sit it out and be a negative Nancy your whole life, and we'll just leave you behind when we go places.
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@colincampbell767 Focusing on budget and schedules also stifles innovation. Yes, we can't ignore budgets and schedules. But you can't force innovation either. Instead the focus should be on results. At my job, we worked on the SpaceX model long before SpaceX existed. We are ruthless on "making it work". We also ignore senseless red tape when it gets in the way, just like Elon does with SpaceX and Tesla. We also don't overengineer things like NASA. The Apollo era was run this way too. Trial and error design and engineering, even though people don't want to admit it. People build up engineering intuition that way, and eventually just know what works and what doesn't. Managers Hate this, but it works, it's faster, it's cheaper, and it produces better long term results for a multitude of reasons. I can design something faster through trial and error with numerous quick prototypes than the math-centric engineers could do. What would take them 1-2yrs, we can solve in 2weeks to 2 months through trial and error and built up intuition.
Yes, some things do need a kickstart of investing from the government. Space used to be prohibitively expensive, and was only invested in for military reasons. People forget Apollo, GPS, Internet were about military advantage. But when space is accessible or affordable, the gov funding isn't as necessary to jumpstart innovation. As times change, so to do agencies and thinking need to evolve.
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@colincampbell767 Doesn't work that way. Every new spacecraft innovates in some way, otherwise we're not building something new, rather we are mass producing something that already exists.
I've done this in the military in combat, in aviation, in engineering, and even in space technology. We had a saying in the military, "adapt or die". I'll never stop innovating until the day I die. And I'll never work for a company that wont let me innovate or move the ball forward. I innovated in a record setting project for NASA, we built it in only 4 months and it exceeded all expectations and accomplished something NASA had tried and failed to do for many decades. The way my company designs things, we make things more durable and rugged, we always build in layers of redundancy, and we come in lower cost than just about anyone at the same time. Our products are durable as a Side Effect of trying to save costs. There is a far better way to design things and to advance technology faster, at lower cost, and greater safety margins. But it takes a kind of leadership most people can't understand.
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@colincampbell767 We do separate R&D that doesn't go directly into products, along with production level innovations.
But NASA isn't maintaining the edge, SpaceX is. So all that cost is wasted. Just because a program is in place that allows for failure, doesn't mean it will work. Like it or not, How it is executed matters.
Yes, some things fail. The innovation in teh military is figuring out how to make do, how to make things work even when you have nothing to fix it with. We kept out tanks running by stuffing gum wrappers into the fuse holders. I fixed a brake line leak in Afghanistan with electrical tape while on a combat patrol. I figured out how to continue driving a truck despite the axle no longer being bolted to the suspension. Found out a way to get a truck to shift into high gear when no one else could get it to work (and we'd tried and failed to figure out what was wrong with it). We jerry rigged so many things to keep them working that sometimes I'm amazed things worked at all. Some of my most brilliant MacGyver moments in my life were in combat. I jerry rig stuff at work on the fly all the time too. Guess what, NASA engineers jerry rigged everything in the Apollo/Mercury/Gemini era too. Sometimes deadlines and deliverables are so tight you don't have much choice.
Doesn't stop us from innovating with each new product line. If we aren't innovating, if our products aren't innovative and pushing boundaries, then we aren't in the lead, someone else is.
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