Comments by "Curious Crow" (@CuriousCrow-mp4cx) on "Richard J Murphy"
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Starmer's weakness is that he doesn't appreciate that sloganeering is not effective policy making. The ignorant will be misled, and the informed will be sceptical. If he really wants to impress develop a measured and grounded overarching narrative that identifies accurately the changes needed, and explains why. If he carries on in his current vein, he'll end up alienating everyone, as everyone is tired of empty soundbites. Everyone wants stability and measured policy making. I hope he oblige us, or he'll be building up the sense that he hasn't a firm enough grip on the realities to realise that he counfuusing the map with the territory. I mean, Aswath Damodaran, a professor of Finance at NYU Stern, noted in his blog and YT channel about the current events in anti-trust policy in the US, that law schools globally are pretty useless in teaching their students about business. So when they become regulators, they don't always understand what businesses do that can or should be regulated. And Starmer is a criminal lawyer, so regulation is naturally out of his wheelhouse. I suspect his advisers are inexperienced too. Or he wouldn't be doing what he's doing. All politicians in government learn on the job, but they need to have the right people around them who will not lead them astray. I'm not convinced his team of advisers are match-ready.
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Sorry, but we're not the laziest or unproductive workers in Europe. We're the least invested in workers in Europe. From the cuts in education where we are turning out the wrong types of workers for the jobs needed, from corporations expecting never to train their employees, and Government expecting the magic private sector to take care of manpower planning in the economy, and you get the omnishambles of UK plc, where we are ever more dependent on importing talent ratther than growing it. You get the buzzwords like "lifelong learning" but no funding to provide it. And we do not pay apprentices a living wage, even though they are learning in the job. They don't even get enough to pay their bus fare to go into their apprenticeship. We have unpaid internships, which are exploitative, and there is no guarantee, any longer of security for workers. Indeed if those at the top are only doing the bare minimum, why do you thing anyone else will do more than that? When I hear people say British workers are lazy, I just say "it's monkey see, monkey do." It's time certain corporate leaders led by example, and stopped bitching about how lazy everyone else is but they are. They are many who are lazy, short-sighted, and irresponsible with the power society gives them. I know, I worked for many of them. To the extent, I wish I hadn't. The jobs I loved gave me control over how I did my job, and helped me to do it well. And I turned out results to the best of my ability. That is not the norm. We have to be honest with ourselves as a country, and admit that our problems reflect our priorities, and if we don't like dealing with those problems, we need to look hard at our priorities. Blaming and scapegoating does nothing useful. If you cannot motivate your workers, then that is your problem. Not there's. Even if what you said was true about British workers being lazy - which it isn't; British workers work longer hours than anyone else in Europe - they weren't born that way. They were made that way because their leaders are that way. Look at what Prime Ministers we are creating, and that should give you pause, because if they are the best this country has to offer as leadership, you shouldn't be surprised that others just might be either following their examples, or being apathetic.
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But your answer is not answering the question. And as for costs rising. I've lived long enough to see a 2p bus journey now cost £2.50. And benefits have not kept up with that rate of increase. But working people who are paid a true living wage can afford to pay that fare. And isn't that the real issue? Britain is a low paid economy relative to its peers, and that occurred over the last 5 decades of mostly Conservative "small state" policy and privatisation. Whereas real GDP has gone up like a ski slope, the Labour share of Real GDP has plateaued, and it has been left to the Welfare State to make up the difference. That is not the case with our peers. And that is on us. We have allowed a huge transfer of wealth to the mostly already asset wealthy, and have not invested in our workforce skills and health, to the extent that our productivity is far below that of our peers. The short-sighted "small statists" policies have left us with an over large financial service sector dominating the whole economy, and not providing well-paid jobs. We need to invest and return to a mixed economy, instead of one vampirised by wealth extractors. That means the asset wealthy should not be favoured more than those relying on a wage for a living, and that the welfare state should be geared to keeping people healthy enough to work to to the best of their ability, and to be able to afford their basic needs without the need for their wages to be subsidised. Yes we have the most vulnerable in society, and they should be looked after, because everyone potentially will suffer sickness or ill-health, or old age. How we treat them is the minimum level of civilisation we have. Cut that down any further in favour of the asset wealthy, and we will have more diseases of poverty and more people not working because of illness. Our problems reflect our priorities. If we don't like managing our problems, we neeto look at our priorities that put them in our lives. We better priorities than making a few people even richer.
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Not really. That was only the case after the pandemic and the beginning of the war in Ukraine. Now it's a different story, because household spending is falling, and unemployment is moving upwards. Retail has been hit hard, and the big names are cost cutting. Moreover new orders, as we move into the busiest time of the year - Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas is declining. Also, loan defaults are still climbing. So the economy is not slowing for a lack of goods, but the absence of people who can afford to buy them. Money printing can't solve that directly, but the malinvestment and speculation that is siphoning money out of the productive, job-creating economy can be addressed by removing the incentives to malinvest and hoard money.
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All it seem we are creating are hot house flowers rather than leaders with real intellectual rigour. All ornament, but of little practical use. Once they are removed from the climate-controlled greenhouse and put into the real world, their attractions quickly wilt in the harsh climate of reality.
Honestly, you, Gary Stevenson of Gary's Economics, or Political Economist Mark Blyth are the calibre of politician this country really needs. Not only do both of you have a grasp of The Dismal Science enough to display of understanding it's real world limitations, but you have displayed practical application of its ideas enough to formulate reasonable and reasoned positions that at least are addressing Economics and Finance's biggest failing in the real world: the distribution of resources. It's a lacuna in both disciplines that reflects a real world disconnect between their theory and application. Or more simply, the real world consequences of failure to meet the needs of everyone in the economy. In that, much of the economics and finance as taught is limited to a carefully curated view of reality that is detached from it. We are turning out economists that could get a job in the city but who fail to grasp how the economy is basically failing, and still get a decent job. In other words, stuffed shirts. The last thing we need are more paper tigers - efficient exam taking machines and ladder climbers who don't really care about the ideas they dutifilly exposed themselves to get a qualification. We need people who actually think beyond their own career. Or things are only going to get more lavatorial.
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@Gibbonomics You might say that, but you have to ask why did humans evolve to have empathy, before rational thought? One is not better than the other, because intelligence is context-dependent. Literally, one's experiences shape how your brain grows. And our brains developed the need to relate not only to what we now call family, but to our collective - the tribe too. Until you can explain that, your conclusion is nowhere near the far more complex truth. Nature's agenda always trumps any rationalising we might indulge in. And there's a shed load going on amongst the Russian elites. And one can understand why. But, the bubble they exist in is misleading them. And it's not all their fault.
America and Russia share one thing: they are both too big to know themselves or the world in any depth. The world is bigger than they are, and there's much, much, more to learn.
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No; he isn't being disengenuous. He is being literal. Have you you actually studied the evolution of money? Money came into existence before Finance and Economics. And for good reason. Indeed, Accounting came before Finance and Economics. Money emerged as civilisation did. Why? It is a tool first for representing our beliefs. It is a technology for representing our bekiefs. When we did not need money, it never existed, but when we needed tokens of value, it emerged. And as our civilisation as a species grew, it developed means of valuing, counting, and tokenising value. And we have Accounting, Finance, and Economics respectively. So, as a Chartered Account and an Economist, Professor Murphy can combine the two disciplines to critique the dominance of Finance over Economics. In this we should be careful not to conflate the two disciplines, and their perspectives. You see Finance has different goals to economics, and we often are encouraged to conflate the two. But they are not the same. Hence our confusion about money, and the heterogeneity of beliefs about it.
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@PatrickMcLaughlin-ji4rb Sorry, but you don't understand logic. Logic is the means to process information, and it doesn't not control the accuracy, validity, Iegitimacy of the information processed. Hence, the computer science acronym of GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Logic doesn't care whether the inputs are objective, measurable truths, or subjective, qualiative truths, like morality. Or lies and falsehoods. Therefore, behind every atrocity in human history there was logic...
So, such misapprehension create the inability to grasp with the reality that we're in a Post-truth populist era, because people don't understand logic, and how amenable it is to both good and evil. It is an amoral, mechanical process of processing assumptions. So GIGO applies.
That why Steve Bannon strategically argues for "flooding the zone" with 💩as to override logic with untruth, to deny, to distract, to neuter both "rational" logic and 'moral' logic, which are not the same. Rational logic relies on objective, empirically proven truths as inputs, but Moral logic relies on subjective, unprovable truths, that can only be qualiatively and subjectively experienced. The logic of the greedy vs the logic of the moral is a choice, a subjective one, and thus falls into the realm of belief. Not facts. Ideology. These can only be argued for, and the inputs, the premises, the assumptions, can be manipulated. But what else are rich people doing but trying to reshape our reality? Hence, we need to be more sceptical about rich people knowing what's best for people who aren't rich. We need to stop loving and admiring them. We need to see them as ordinary people and not heros or gods. Americans have that blindspot, and it keeps hurting them. We should take that beam out of our own eyes. And see them as they are.
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