Comments by "Curious Crow" (@CuriousCrow-mp4cx) on "We can only beat obesity if the state acts in ways the far right calls the ‘nanny state’" video.

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  11. The problem with your point is that it's is really stretching the meaning of democracy. Let's not forget that democracy as formed in ancient Greece did not solve slavery or poverty, did it? Why because you are conflating means with ends. Democracy is the means to decide who gets what. It doesn't decide what there is to get. Civilisation based on societies is even more complicated than ancient Greek city states, where only the oligarchs had a vote. In its current form in the Anglosphere, it's only been around for about a century. And that's nothing in human history. So democracy is still in its infancy. Can it be improved? Definitely. Will it be? Who's to say? Market ideology is en vogue, but is proving to be a false hope, and our oligarchs are trying very hard to cover up their mistakes. So our politics is negotiating the capture of our states by asset wealthy oligarchs who think - why I do not know - they can run whole nations better than the population. They dream of running whole states like principalities, just because they're rich. What the real issue is that Injustice and Illiberality exist, and the values to erode these are being eroded by the same elites who want to control everything. 'Don't be a citizen; be a consumer or a subject.' 'Don't be a member of society; just look out for your kith and kin.' we are being conditioned to look away from things that might remind us all is not well. And it is we who must look to our own values, and strive to arrive at shared values that are expressed through our shared institutions. That means not being complacent, and not thinking that's someone else's job to do. We have to talking and thinking together about shared values. And one could argue our overlords don't like that sort of independent action. They're too stuck in their ways. We shouldn't follow their example. We should dare to think how to evolve our society away from its current model which is actually endangering our society. We should be able to do better, but we're being encouraged not to do so. This why we need a state free of regulatory capture, and with the right priorities that ensures a basic standard of living to everyone. That's going to take time and effort, because ideas evolve faster than human beings. So we must keep working to improve things, because we can only go through. We can't go around.
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