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Comments by "Ggoddkkiller" (@ggoddkkiller1342) on "Opposing the Ottomans: Battle of Khotyn / Chocim 1621 (400 Years Anniversary)" video.
I think Turkish-Polish wars were just stupid and very harmful for both nations because both Turkish and Polish people were heavily fighting against Germans and Russians!! So they were actually perfect allies not enemies at all but because Ottoman couldn't control Tatars and Commonwealth couldn't control Cossacks they ended up fighting while allowing their actual rivals to become stronger. Instead Polish and Ottoman army should have joined together and invaded Austria or Muscovy then entire European history would have changed...
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I think Turkish-Polish wars were just stupid and very harmful for both nations because both Turkish and Polish people were heavily fighting against Germans and Russians!! So they were actually perfect allies not enemies at all but because Ottoman couldn't control Tatars and Commonwealth couldn't control Cossacks they ended up fighting while allowing their actual rivals to become stronger. Instead Polish and Ottoman army should have joined together and invaded Austria or Muscovy then entire European history would have changed...
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That's correct but it wasn't something unique to this battle rather Ottoman lost more soldiers because of diseases than battles in many wars!! Constantinople was just too far away for lauching campaigns into Europe anymore but Ottoman couldn't change it's capital or keep large armies in Balkans as it was constantly fighting in eastern front as well. It was far better just leaving Moldovia to Commonwealth and making them an ally than fighting against them. I think overall all Turkish-Polish wars were just stupid and very harmful for both nations because both Turkish and Polish people were heavily fighting against Germans and Russians!! So they were actually perfect allies not enemies at all but because Ottoman couldn't control Tatars and Commonwealth couldn't control Cossacks they ended up fighting while allowing their actual rivals to become stronger. Instead Polish and Ottoman army should have joined together and invaded Austria or Muscovy then entire European history would have changed...
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I think Turkish-Polish wars were just stupid and very harmful for both nations because both Turkish and Polish people were heavily fighting against Germans and Russians!! So they were actually perfect allies not enemies at all but because Ottoman couldn't control Tatars and Commonwealth couldn't control Cossacks they ended up fighting while allowing their actual rivals to become stronger. Instead Polish and Ottoman army should have joined together and invaded Austria or Muscovy then entire European history would have changed...
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@AlcaturMaethor Short episode? Maximilian III of Austria tried to steal Commonwealth throne, entered Poland with a huge army, he captured several Polish cities and even tried to capture Commonwealth capital while only God knows what was going to happen if he managed to capture it but it was still a small episode?? You are only fooling yourself by claiming it was a case of contested elections not an invasion.. Then your ''completely unprovoked'' wars of conquest comes but i guess Habsburgs claiming entire Hungary as their kingdom wasn't a provocation for Ottoman at all rather just lovely and harmless politics?? Ofc there were unprovoked campaigns or unrightful actions of Ottoman especially in early Ottoman history but in 16-17th century Ottoman stopped campaigns into Europe long ago and only acted if there were major provocations like habsburgs were doing not against Ottoman only rather their every single neighbour including Commonwealth. So perhaps you are one of those fanatics you rather seeing Poland under German or Russian rule than becoming allies with Muslims, huh?? France remained as an Ottoman ally for 200 years, there were Ottoman bases in France helping them against their Christian enemies but who considers France as a traitor today?? Nobody because Ottoman was always considered as an European empire and Christians didn't hesitate allying with them whenever they needed them, it is just a modern nonsense of considering Ottoman as an enemy of entire Europe...
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