Comments by "Ggoddkkiller" (@ggoddkkiller1342) on "Kurdistan: The Military History of a Stateless Nation" video.

  1. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
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  2. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
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  3. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
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  4. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
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  5. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
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  6. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
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  7. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  8.  @adamgroszkiewicz814  Terrorism will not win no matter how hard you try to whitewash it nor claim they were valuable in the war against isis! Literally every single group in Syria fought against isis including even hts who are Syrian jihadists, i bet you wouldn't claim hts is vauable and democratic forces, right?? It is just a cheap effort to show ypg more than terrorists..
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  9.  @vic5015  Peshmerga forces both PUK and KDP have special full women units, they don't include them to their ordinary ranks! Only YPG/PKK includes them to their ranks but it is known under guerilla conditions with drug usage woman members are often abused in PKK!! Also Turkish army has more women than all Kurdish factions combined, i think you people are confusing Kurds or Turks with Arabs. Conservative Kurds aren't jihadists or anything like Arabs rather they are only traditional..
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  10.  @_Painted  I completely agree if they kept a peaceful struggle they could establish at least a regional govenrment in Turkey. Most people had no idea but in 70s there were serious arguments between if Turkey should adopt federal system or just establish autonomous region. But ofc after PKK violence began in 80s it was all abandoned.. To be fair it wasn't entirely the fault of Kurds as Syria and especially Iraq radicalized them a lot and forced them to an armed struggle! However this didn't justify using same tactics in everywhere ofc and violence against Turkey only made their struggle harder. We will never ever allow a PKK aligned organization to establish anything regardless who the heck is supporting them or how much ''they changed''. The only way PKK members could be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people they killed thousands of them. And im not even only talking Turks here as PKK killed over 5 thousands Turkish Kurds as well mainly Kurdish village guards.
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  11. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully support a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  12.  @--enyo--  I can send my comment a million times if i wish, mind your own business! If you could manage we could talk about the actual subject but i doubt you can...
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  13.  @dillonhillier  PUK or KDP Peshmerga? Those are two main tribes/parties but there are like two dozen smaller tribes in KRG + some terrorists like PKK. They really did a poor job explaining the actual situation on ground and most probably this was the reason of procrastination as often parties are trying to leave each other holding the bag. It was PUK Peshmerga and PKK alone who defended Kirkuk against Iraqi forces while KDP didn't help at all because it wasn't their territory..
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  14. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
    4
  15. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
    4
  16. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
    3
  17. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
    3
  18.  @kingace6186  If Kurds were never equal care to explain how exactly Turkey had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal who invested billions to the east?? You people are just eating propaganda Kurds were always equal citizens of Turkey since 1923, in fact Turkish government doesn't even collect information about the ethnicity of it's citizens and this is why nobody knows how many Kurds are living in Turkey! But the fact there was no discrimination directly against Kurds doesn't mean there was no discrimination against Kurdish language. Especially in early years Turkey had some pro-Turkish policies to strengthen the faoundation of recently established country. For exaple it was forbidden to publish in any language other than Turkish. Radio and TV channels could also operate only in Turkish no other language. Those were discrminations against Kurdish culture for sure but were enough to start a terrorist insurgency?? Absolutely not, US and South Africa had far worse laws like Jim crow laws which remained until SIXTYS! Canada and Australia kept collecting indigenous children from their families to only assimilte them until SEVENTYS!! Turkey never ever committed anything similar but somehow it is the ''asshole'' who deserves terrorists blowing up it's poeple, huh?? Nope, you people are just insanely ignorant. PKK exists only because as a marxist organziation it received support from Soviet union and later used the wars in Iraq and Syria to its advantage, in fact pretty much all PKK attacks against Turkey orginates outside of Turkey...
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  19.  @OK-yy6qz  Over 3 thousand Kurdish village guards were killed by PKK so i really wonder where you could learn it was ''Turkish army attacking Kurdish villages'', just try to research a little bit next time instead of moronically following a propaganda...
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  20.  @dillonhillier  Why would anybody volunteer for a terrorist organization who recruit children and commit terrorist attacks?? This whitewashing moronity of western media reached whole another level, perhaps you had no idea who they were before joining them..
    2
  21. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope..
    2
  22. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
    2
  23. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  24.  @bakhtiyarhawlery6648  You gotta learn Turkey never ever claimed such a moronity, rather it was a claim of Turkish nationalists alone!! In case you have no idea Turkish nationalist party got 20% at most in entire histroy while it is falling behind 10% these days so saying Turkey claimed it for ''long long time'' is just false in every way...
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  25. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  26. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  27. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  28. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  29. ​ @vic5015  You must stop supporting radical Arabic kingdoms then! I bet you have no idea but actually saudis rebelled against Ottoman empire 250 years ago and again they destroyed cities, shrines and mosques while claiming moderate Muslims were ''non-Muslims'' and killed thousands of them exactly same as today's isis. Ottoman sent an Egyptian army and suppressed their rebellion while saudis ran into the desert and disappeared for 150 years. After Ottoman collapsed saudis left their desert once again and began conquering Arabia and among all Arabic tribes British empire somehow found them and supported them later when UK dropped such policies US took over!! Westerners love to talk about freedom, human rights, democracy etc while in reality the west has been supporting radicalism with one hand while fighting against it with other hand, while moderate Muslims are portrayed as ''undemocratic or radical'' somehow. For example Ottoman didn't target Armenians because they were Christian nor their ethnicity rather because they revolted against the empire as a Russian proxy after Russian empire invaded entire eastern Anatolia in 1914. Ottoman never implemented so called sharia laws, for example do you know how many women were stoned in Ottoman in it's entire 600 years long history? Only one who was a lady of the night which was pretty ordinary but she didn't only confess also challenged Ottoman laws claiming they were too radical so she got sharia punishment instead of a moderate one. Ottoman didn't care what it's citizens believed nor did as long as they didn't work against the empire. I understand why some westerners are skeptical about us after all we waged war against Europe for almost 1000 years but we aren't cunning people. You would see if we are a friend or enemy from a mile as we would wave like a moron or point guns at you! Most of Turkish people really see some western countries as allies especially UK and Spain but not US anymore. The amount of anti-Turkish propaganda and direct support to terrrorist against Turkey made Turkish public quite anti-US and this was the actual reason how erdogan could be re-elected with his anti-US stance!! Europe may trust US more after russky invasion of Ukraine. But US influence is the lowest since WW2 in other places of world and this gap is filled with china etc. There will be long lasting consequences of these hypocritical US policies for sure. I really don't get it why US can not adopt honest policies and try to help all if they did the world was a difference place today..
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  30.  @thegratepotato1281  @calebbearup4282 You people can not even answer if i ask how exactly Kurds weren't citizens of Turkey but you are somehow so sure of it you feel no second thought throwing it around like mindless bots! Our Kurdish minority has been always much more integrated than some minorities in the west like African minority of US! And they have been full citizens since 1923, in fact the government doesn't even collect information about ethnicity so it can not discriminate against Kurds directly. But this doesn't mean there was no discrimination against Kurdish language, it was forbidden to publish books in any language other than Turkish. Radio and TV channels could also operate only in Turkish no other language. Those were discrminations against Kurdish culture for sure but were enough to start a terrorist insurgency?? Absolutely not, in fact even some western countries had far worse laws!! For example US and South Africa had anti-African laws like Jim crow laws which remained until SIXTYS! Canada and Australia kept collecting indigenous children from their families to only assimilte them until SEVENTYS!! Turkey never ever committed anything similar but somehow it deserves a terrorist insurgency, huh?? Do not fool yourselves! PKK only survived because they were a marxist organization and received support from Soviet union and later used the wars in Iraq and Syria, in fact all PKK bases are in Iraq and Syria while none in Turkey!! You people are always so quick to throw accusations around in the name of humanity, freedom etc but when it comes to your own countries all of those important human values disappear into thin air and you would never ever dare to talk about your discrimination against your minorities. I bet you don't even know what Jim crow laws were, go read it and reduce your ignorance a little bit then you would claim Kurds weren't Turkey's citizens again if you could still dare ofc...
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  31. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  32. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  33. @XbxbnWhdj Güneydoğu anadoluda ki bütün şehirlerin nüfusunu toplasan 15 milyon yapmaz birader neyin kafasını yaşıyorsun gözünü seveyim? Ki bütün şehirler Kürt çoğunluğa da sahip değil..
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  34.  @AT-AT26  What about allying with Turkey then instead of moronically fighting against all countries in the region, huh?? KDP is a Turkish ally since 1997 when Turkish army invaded northern Iraq and stopped Kurdish civil war in favour of them. And they are the only Kurdish faction which got stronger and didn't suffer any defeat in last 20 years...
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  35. @@balaclavabandit7611 Are you really that ignorant to think a terrorist leader is saving Kurds?? If Öcalan accomplished anything at all it would be keeping Turkish army battle ready...
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  36.  @Kurdjacksi  Sure mate, what do you want to know more about?
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  37.  @unacknowledged3537  İlk başta kendi tarihini öğren değişik sonra botsun diye iddia edersin istersen! Çomarsın falan diye atmaya başlamadan önce belirteyim Adanalı solcuyum, tayyipi sevmiyoruz diye batılıların ayaklarına kapanacak ve tarihi kafalarına göre baştan yazmalarına göz yumacak değiliz..
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  38.  @unacknowledged3537  Avrupa da yaşayan Kürt müsün? Anca onlardan benim dediğime propaganda diyebilecek kadar cahil olanlar çıkıyor garanti öylesindir. Biraz para biriktir de gel vatanını gör kör cahil kalma böyle..
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  39.  @unacknowledged3537  You are always free to quote and prove my ''propaganda BS'' if you could manage ofc :))
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  40. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully supporting a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis or Syrians. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  41. This was mostly neutral but there were still downplaying facts and some huge mistakes, for example PKK was so wickedly attacking civilians including even Kurdish civilians the second highest casualty in this conflict after terrorists themselves isn't Turkish army, police nor civilians at all rather it is actually KURDS, civilians and especially Kurdish village guards that PKK killed thousands of them! There are hundreds of villages in southeastern Turkey alone and because the region is extremely mountainous Turkish army couldn't protect all villages constantly and Kurdish villagers were becoming easy targets for PKK raids. As a solution the government trained and armed Kurdish civilians so they could defend themselves until the army arrived. I bet some people may think ''Kurdish'' PKK and Kurdish villagers didn't fight against each others but in reality it is terrorist PKK which was seizing their assests while calling it ''tax'' and even forcefully recruiting their children! So Kurdish village guards pretty much always fought against them even if they were greatly outnumbered, while PKK simply declared them as ''traitors'' and mercilessly killed thousands of them!! Especially in 90s their violence was out of control if a Kurdish intellectual could talk against PKK would be found dead in their homes. Suicide bombing attacks in public buses, squires, markets, stations, stadiums you name it and this is the reason why literally DOZENS of countries recognize PKK as a terrorist organization as they really are terrorists!! PKK isn't committing as many terrorist attacks as before doesn't prove they magically changed like some westerners claim. Rather it is mainly because they can not smuggle both arms and themselves through Turkish-Iraqi anymore because of constant surveillance by drones. In 90s the best Turkey could do was building border outposts along the mountanious border to literally watch the border with soldiers and several dozen soldiers in a mountain peak were often becoming a target themselves.. It is true KDP asked support from even saddam but they did that out of desperation, after years of infighting they were exhausted and with great Iranian support PUK was gaining upper hand. This was also the point PKK joined PUK alliance not after KDP asked support from Iraqi government, there is a timelapse for obvious reasons! It was also completely ignored after PUK territorial gains in 1997 Turkey invaded norhern Iraq with 60,000 soldiers as PKK alliance couldn't be allowed to win the civil war and gain huge support. Instead of the truth it is told like Barzani stopped the civil war by swinging his magical wand for obvious reasons. This Turkish intervention and ending the civil war in favour of KDP was also the reason why Turkey and Barzanis have been allies since then and 15 Turkish bases were built in KDP territories started from 1998 for training Peshmerga forces and providing security. It is also a completely a false Turkey blocked KRG's access to the world, in fact both Barzani and Talabani also many Iraqi Kurds have TURKISH diplomatic passports so they can travel through Turkey freely and ask for support from other nations. What more Turkey supposed to do than giving people diplomatic passports who aren't even Turkish citizens, huh?? Then they also completely ignored vast majority of KRG's trade travel through Turkey including 95% of their oil exports and this was the only reason KRG could survive so long. Then comes ''Turkey using PKK as an excuse to attack YPG'' nonsense, while in reality there are around TWO THOUSAND PKK terrorists in YPG's ranks, in fact even the commander of YPG is a ''former'' PKK terrorists called Mazloum Abdi! This isn't a secret or anything, just search his name you would see he is a known PKK terrorist, but no worries according to our ''trustworthy'' allies he retired being a terrorist and he is a democratic hero now!! Turkey will never ever accept this moronity, while the only way PKK terrorists can be declared innocent they will surrender and apologize to the people that they killed thousands of them. Until it happens Turkey will continue targeting them in every opportunity or YPG can cut it's ties with PKK, in fact Turkey actually asked it from US many times before starting operations against them which was ofc forgotten again! However with even it's commander being a PKK terrorist i guess it is extremely unlikely they can cut ties or could be even called seperate organizations... PS: There aren't 30-40 million Kurdish people living Kurdistan, for example over 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's around 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not in Kurdistan. While the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Erbil, Sanadaj or Diyarbakır rather ISTANBUL with 3 million Kurdish population! They could at least research about populations properly but nope! By the way even if im a Turkish person im fully support a Kurdish state they suffered a lot especially in Iraq and we would rather having a border with a Kurdish state than Iraqis. But a KURDISH state not a terrorist state, we will never ever support such a country and even fight against it's forces as long as those PKK terrorists are in charge..
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  42.  @slipslip9163  I can spam a million times if i want, it is none of your business! On the other hand you are free to quote those ''propaganda'' parts if you can actually manage ofc...
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  43.  @Hellfr4g  I can share sources for literally everything i said in my message while could you quote a single ''propaganda'' of me and prove it is indeed propaganda? Ofc not that's why you simply played ''propaganda'' card instead of actually answering my message :) By the way both supplies and arms could currently reach KRG, otherwise how exactly you think US was operating in Syria?? You are really clueless what you are talking about, supplies first arrive in KRG through Iraq then send to Syria. Especially other guy is entirely hilarious, what about giving Kurdistan a corridor until North sea after all Turkey can still block shipments as they have to pass through Turkish straits, just LMAO...
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  44.  @Hellfr4g  As i said earlier you are completely clueless what really happening on ground and repeating a nonsense you could learn from biased channels! Vast majority of KRG's trade travel through TURKEY including 95% of their oil exports via Kirkuk-Ceyhan oil pipeline. Turkey doesn't allow arm shipments as they can end up in the hands of PKK but arm shipments freely travel through Iraq to KRG then sent to YPG/PKK. So it is completely baseless claiming ''Kurds suffering from isolation and that's because they can't establish a country'', in fact Turkey has been an ally of KDP (Barzani tribe) for decades and there are 15 Turkish bases in KDP territories training Peshmerga forces and providing security. If there was only KDP Turkey would fully support their independence already but Kurds are divided and there are dozens of factions like PUK and even terrorists like PKK. Turkey will never ever allow a PKK aligned organization to establish a dang thing regardless who the heck is supporting them. The blame is equally on US as well who cherrypicked the worst factions among Kurds and supported them exactly same as how terrorists were supported by US in Afghanistan against soviets!! If US supported mainly KDP there was a Kurdish country today and ofc lets completely ignore the wickedness of supporting a terrorist organization which has waged war against a NATO ally for decades...
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  45.  @jamesmcpherson8599  Ohh here we found a PKK supporter from EU guys who could think everybody in the region is wicked including even Kurdish KDP and PUK Peshmerga while only rightful force is PKK terrorists, LMAO! You are at least careful thou because i can prove PKK is indeed a terrorist organization so you at least try to claim YPG has nothing to do with PKK in case i do that. Care to share in what European country you live and where you are actually from? You aren't an Iraqi Kurd for sure as they know both KDP and PUK saved tens of thousands of Kurdish lives in their struggle! So they wouldn't defame KRG Peshmerga so easily while you do that only because KRG Peshmerga have good relations with Turkey and they do not support your PKK terrorists.. Perhaps you are a Syrian Kurd but i doubt it, your ''YPG has nothing to do with PKK'' claim was too weak. Every Syrian Kurd knows there are thousands of PKK members in YPG, in fact even the commander of YPG Mazloum Abdi is a PKK terrorist! On the other hand if you were a Turkish Kurd supporting PKK you would again know PKK kidnapped and forcefully recruited THOUSANDS of children since 80s, in fact they didn't even stop there and mercilessly killed over 3,000 Kurdish village guards who tried to protect their children!! Instead you claimed ''PKK only recruits orphans to save them'' which is just laughable lol. Ohh right, you are a son of a PKK member or supporter and you were born in Europe that's why you don't know much about what is actually happening in the region. And you are trying to ''save'' Kurdish nation with such nonsenses only because you grew up with lies and propaganda of PKK! If you really want to save Kurdish nation when you could set apart few thousand euros go check how Iraqi Kurds are living, how ''wicked'' and corrupt those KRG Peshmerga are! You would see Peshmerga do everything to protect Kurds even if they aren't perfect and KRG is benefiting a lot from having friendly relations with Turkey. If you want you can also visit Turkey later and see if ''our terrorist state is slaughtering Kurds'' or our Kurdish minority has the best conditions in the entire region...
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