Comments by "Ralph Bernhard" (@ralphbernhard1757) on "Vox"
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chained2it You are confusing two terms: 'Historicity' and 'Causality'.
In order for something to be 'causal', there MUST be a connection between and action, and the resulting events.
The one that comes first, MUST cause the next in the chain of events.
(Note, not to be confused with 'correlation')
So when you write "500 years ago Muslims dominated the globe (actually it was the Med and ME, Central Asia)..".
My answer is: nice, there are some ruins and buildings I can visit...
(In other words, NOTHING a Muslim did 500 years ago in Spain, or North Africa, has ANY bearing on world events today)
Muslim domination of the Med, etc. ENDED at the end of WW1. NO causal effects.
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chained2it Im still in 1919, the start of the current conflict.
Note here, that at ANY particular point in time, nobody can foresee the future.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historian%27s_fallacy
Therefore, the people who lived in 1919 ONLY had the world around them to make judgements.
Correct?
So, what did they see?
Correct.
Colonialism.
White people cutting off the hands of child laborers in the Kongo, Hawaii (an independent Kingdom) being annexed, Native Americans stuffed into dusty desert reservations, Moro Massacres if "naughty natives" refused to pay taxes, chased into to the desert to die of thirst (Herero) or starve (India) , children stuck into concentration camps (Boer War), etc.
THAT is what influenced opinions back then, and why local inhabitants did not WANT whites to rule them.
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Against the common held belief, the "Muslims" did not steal the land from Jews.
That is a popular myth, spread by the propaganda machine of Israel, and by Zionists.
The reality is that the Jews were chased out of their holy land in 3 waves, the last wave by Italians (Romans) about 2000 years ago. For more than a 1,000 years, Christian invaders (Byzantine Empire) captured the Levant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
The Ottoman Empire defeated the Byzantine Empire, and then dominated the region for around 500 years, until they were in turn defeated during WW1.
Therefore, the erroneous belief that "Muslims" stole the land is incorrect.
During the reign of the Ottomans, the population stayed more or less the same, but many converted to Islam because it had obvious advantages (taxation, business, etc.).
The Muslims did not "steal" anything.
They are for the most part the descendants of people who had lived there for generations.
For most of history, the rulers were foreigners (upper classes), but the local population (the simple people) remained more or less the same people (Semites). Of course, there was some immigration, meaning that the Levant, like the Lebanon, had always been a region of mixed ethnicity, religions, and cultures.
Here you can see a graph of the demographics of the Levant for the last 2000 years or so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
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What history?
You mean like 2,000 years ago, when their "god" chased them out of their fairy tale Stoneage holy land?
Actually, that isn't history.
The reality is that they were thrown out or left in 3 waves, the last wave by Italians (Romans).
So, for 2,000 years the Religion of Judaism was only around 5% of the local population. The majority then became Christian (Byzantine) and later Muslims (Ottoman Empire).
In the meantime, the "diaspora" intermingled with the local populations of Europe, and other places they immigrated to, and today their maternal DNA today diluted down to 80% European, and only 8% of the original Levant Semites.
So yeah...I know history....
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They are thieves with a myth, and legends.
Nothing to admire.
Ah, I see... you admire thieves?
According to the logic of the Zionists, Norwegians have a right to demand living in Nova Scotia, and declare their own state there. All they need to do is recreate some ancient myths, and find some ancestral graves.
Then, arrive in droves with guns, and start displacing the local population.
All they have to do is create a myth of "returning home", and that they are really only "taking back" what "Thor gave his chosen people"...
Correct?
Do Norwegians have a Thor-given "right" to "return" to Canada today, because of "being first" 1,000 years ago?
[Google "Vinland Nova Scotia Vikings]
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@jamalbaklau6661 ok
Your "timeline" is incorrect, and therefore you are confusing "cause" and "effect".
Let's take it 1 step at a time, to show how you've been fooled.
Did you know that the UN controlled Sanai was set up after the 1956 war to protect Egypt from Israeli (together with France and GB) aggression?
Yup.
After that war, the world decided that Egypt needed protection from Israeli expansionism.
Ten years later, the Sanai isolated Israel from Egypt.
Fine.
Then, Israel started the provocations against Syria.
Of course, comfortable in the fact of being far stronger than Syria, and that Egypt couldn't interfere in case of a war between Syria and Israel, because of the UN buffer zone.
After Israeli provocation increased, Egypt therefore asked for the removal of the UN, in an effort to stop Israeli provocations against Syria.
Note, the UN proposed keeping the buffer zone intact, by moving to the Israeli side of the border, but Israel refused.
Israel didn't want the UN there.
Furthermore, Israeli historians have already agreed that both 1956, and 1967 were "wars of CHOICE".
The archives have already revealed the lies still being sold to kids on "History Channel*.
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dinorino2 The UN reflects the consensus of the entire planet's population. You can't cherry pick what you like and what you don't like. You obviously loved the UN while it was for the creation of a Jewish state, but when it points at atrocities, then you suddenly don't like it anymore...
Furthermore, will YOU also denounce all terrorism?
Are you going to campaign for Israel to change every street name, airport, or town square named after terrorists?
(Google: Irgun, Lehi, Palmach, Haganah, Stern Gang, the Special Night Squad and Orde Wingate, etc.)
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chained2it ....because you are confusing "cause" and "effect".
Google it.
The easiest way to muddle up history is confusing cause and effect.
The current situation is an EFFECT of past actions, which started following WW1. Before that, the political conditions in the Levant /ME did NOT effect the world at large.
Irrelevant of whether YOU personally considered it "right" or "wrong", it did NOT effect world politics.
Constant western meddling has turned it into the situation we now witness.
In 1919, floods of immigrants and refugees arrived, following an ancient myth, ideologically indoctrinated to think that they already owned the land. They were WHITE immigrants, and foreigners (passport holders i.e. nationality). They arrived in hordes and started displacing and politically disenfranchising the people who ALREADY LIVED there.
These locals were not stupid. They had seen what happened for 500 years when "white man with forked tongue" arrived somewhere, suggesting a...cough, cough..."mutually acceptable deal"..
Of COURSE they had the right to fight back.
Do you think they wanted to end up like the Hawaiins, the Aborigines, the Native Americans, the Mayas or Incas?
Today, the land grabbing continues.
It will also never stop, because a certain fraction of Jews believe that their "god" gave them ALL the land between the Nile and the Euphrat, and the only way to achieve that is in the condition of constant duress, strife, or war.
THAT is "the cause", which started by grabbing "a little bit of Palestine" in 1919...
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Dan Morgan Yes, that is correct.
One could also state that it was one of the first successful attempts at stopping colonial expansion -- "nipping it in the bud", so to speak.
Of course, times had changed since 1919/1948.
Who knows. If it hadn't been for the Cold War, "Israel" today could have spanned from the Nile to the Euphrat.
After WW2, the Cold War started, and the two Alpha males in the ME were now the USA and the SU. The two previous Alpha males (France, British Empire) had to take a back seat.
At this stage, the USA was not willing to risk a world war as a result of Israeli hawks expanding their borders. Today, with Trump/Pence...not so sure.
The area is extremely volatile. The balance of power which had been in place for 50 years is beginning to erode due to the various wars, civil wars, wars of proxy in the region.
Israel is forging an alliance with the Saudis, directed at Iran.
If there is going to be a spark, the whole region will blow up.
In such a chaotic mess as war, the "Eretz Israel"- dreamers might seek to expand Israel's borders at the expense of one of her neighbors (like we saw in Europe after WW2).
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