Comments by "Ralph Bernhard" (@ralphbernhard1757) on "travelingisrael.com"
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IDF Intelligence Service report from June 1948 lists 11 factors which precipitated the exodus, listing them in order of importance as:
a. Direct hostile Jewish operations against Arab settlements. (The Haganah was the army of the Yeshuv, or Jewish community in Palestine, and was the precursor of the Israeli Defense Force, or IDF.)
b. The effect of our hostile operations on nearby Arab settlements (especially the fall of large neighboring centers).
c. Operations of the Jewish dissidents (terrorist organisations like Irgun and the Stern Gang, also known as the Irgun Tzvai Leumi, Lehi, etc.).
d. Jewish whispering operations (psy-ops) aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
e. Expulsion orders (by Haganah/IDF).
The Israeli Intelligence Service gives an explanation re. the main factors, concluding that “without doubt, hostile (edit: own) operations were the main cause of the movement of the population”.
According to the own analyses, it was a forced expulsion, or ethnic cleansing.
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It is Israel which denies the Palestinians the right to exist as an equal.
They chant, "Palestine was never a state..." because Israel never intended for Palestians to ever live in full sovereignty.
Netanyahu, quoting Yitzhak Rabin, “We view the permanent solution in the framework of State of Israel which will include most of the area of the Land of Israel as it was under the rule of the British Mandate, and alongside it a Palestinian entity which will be a home to most of the Palestinian residents living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank ... We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, [aka/edit: the "Apartheid dependency, of a Bantustan"] and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines.”
“The security border of the State of Israel will be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning of that term.”
“Jerusalem,” Rabin said in his speech, would be “united as the capital of Israel under Israeli sovereignty,” and “will include both Ma'ale Adumim and Givat Ze'ev”.
“We came to an agreement, and committed ourselves before the Knesset, not to uproot a single settlement in the framework of the interim agreement, and not to hinder building for natural growth.”
Even at this point in the 1990s, the last real chance of peace, Israel wanted Arafat to "sign away" millions of Palestinians in East Jerusalem, and some areas in the West Bank, to fall under Israeli control.
What that would have meant, we see today.
Settler colonists, protected by the guns of the IDF, have been using this concept of the "Bantustan" to raid and occupy one house at a time, making the original inhabitants homeless in their own city...
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IDF Intelligence Service report from June 1948 lists 11 factors which precipitated the exodus, listing them in order of importance as:
a. Direct hostile Jewish operations against Arab settlements. (The Haganah was the army of the Yeshuv, or Jewish community in Palestine, and was the precursor of the Israeli Defense Force, or IDF.)
b. The effect of our hostile operations on nearby Arab settlements (especially the fall of large neighboring centers).
c. Operations of the Jewish dissidents (terrorist organisations like Irgun and the Stern Gang, also known as the Irgun Tzvai Leumi, Lehi, etc.).
d. Jewish whispering operations (psy-ops) aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
e. Expulsion orders (by Haganah/IDF).
The Israeli Intelligence Service gives an explanation re. the main factors, concluding that “without doubt, hostile (edit: own) operations were the main cause of the movement of the population”.
According to the own analyses, it was a forced expulsion, or ethnic cleansing.
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@mercer1995 The people of the Levant (most of whom are Semites, and the followers of Abrahamic religions) have been "divided and ruled" over by outsiders for centuries.
Because it is easier to divide people based on personal differences, than it is to unite them, based on what they have in common.
Strategically ambiguous rulers make use of this, for own advantages.
In the era of empires, first Rome/Constantinople, then during WW1 the seat of POWER playing these games changed to London/Paris, then after the 1950's as European colonialism's power decreased, the role of "divider" was simply taken over by Washington DC (the entire ME was the "playground" during the Cold War).
Now the intention is simply to avoid unity in the ME, in order to "rule" over the dissent which is classical "divide and rule".
Today, they are ALL tools.
Endless wars, constant dissent.
Insert "levers" of lies, mistrust...
Create favorites: favoratism...
Divide and Rule.
Oldest trick in the book...
Who wields the POWER?
Who has had (in all historical cases) the GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE of being able to "reach" all the other little "buck catchers" (tools, and other Roman-era instruments of POWER), but cannot be "reached" itself, because of a geographical-, technological-, organisational-, military-, strategic-, political advantage at any given point of a historical timeline?
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IDF Intelligence Service report from June 1948 lists 11 factors which precipitated the exodus, listing them in order of importance as:
a. Direct hostile Jewish operations against Arab settlements. (The Haganah was the army of the Yeshuv, or Jewish community in Palestine, and was the precursor of the Israeli Defense Force, or IDF.)
b. The effect of our hostile operations on nearby Arab settlements (especially the fall of large neighboring centers).
c. Operations of the Jewish dissidents (terrorist organisations like Irgun and the Stern Gang, also known as the Irgun Tzvai Leumi, Lehi, etc.).
d. Jewish whispering operations (psy-ops) aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
e. Expulsion orders (by Haganah/IDF).
The Israeli Intelligence Service gives an explanation re. the main factors, concluding that “without doubt, hostile (edit: own) operations were the main cause of the movement of the population”.
According to the own analyses, it was a forced expulsion, or ethnic cleansing. Note that more than half of these actions took place before the Arab attack of 1948, so that the typical apologetic "it was war you know," is no excuse.
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@anitamwd and @aliciafletcher
I noticed some overlapping points in your dialogue, which create confusion.
Please allow me to explain my observation:
You are both commenting on a principle Jews have claimed for themselves only, while denying this claim to the people who lived there in 1919. Since they are in power in Tel Aviv/Jerusalem, Jews call the shots and determine the laws of the land. The people in power, called "politicians," overwhelmingly do not care if these laws are unfair towards the people who lived there in 1919, and their descendants.
To take a completely different example:
Say "Indians" in a diaspora, all over the world. These individuals do not have an "automated right to return" to India (country), simply because their ancestry, or DNA states so. It is states, and politicians which decide on that. That makes this "point" of "right to return" a bs-attempt at sidetracking a debate, and such examples are often raised by Zionists, imperialists, or their apologists (the PragerU/Shapiro"-camp of "banner wavers" and slogan chanters).
Rgds 👍👋
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@hagitok1 How is that relevant?
He is trying to create the argument that (paraphrasing) "each and every Jew, regardless of where they lived in the world at the beginning of the 20th century, had some or other connection to the land," which is an appeal to emotion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
Therefore Jews deserved a homeland there.
At the same time, he is trying to deminish the argument that the 650,000 people already living there at the time, of mixed ethnicity, religion, or culture, had no "mysterious connection to the land" because they were just Turks, or Syrians, or whatever, even if they were born there, and had lived there for generations during the Ottoman Empire.
That is not a realistic argument. Where do you live? Would you give up your claim to self-determination to your land, because some Viking-era rocks were found underneath your state, so now the Norwegians want to come and live there, introduce own laws and customs, changibg your way of life, and all because of discovering some "mysterious connection to the land"?
BTW, what he is doing is known as the Red Herring in debates, or laying a trail to distract from what the real issue was back then, which was determined at the state level: Here is what happened:
During WW1, the British Empire faciltated an overpowering demographic changing mass-immigration into the Levant, against the wishes of most people who already lived there (around 650,000 of mixed cultural/ethnic origin).
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Start pulling the rug from underneath their feet...
Boycott: Much simpler than trying to remember the long loooong lists of what not to buy, and for whatever specific reasons, is to try and limit what one actually does buy: buy no-name brands from small companies (addresses usually on the labels), buy local foods (farmers markets), buy locally produced or handmade items, otherwise go slightly "over-regional," or buy fair trade wherever possible.
It is not a perfect strategy, but don't get sidelined by the whiners/finger pointers who will invariably ALWAYS show up like clockwork, trying to ridicule or nag with their dumb "...duh but your using a smartphone, but your using oil toooo"-gotcha style distractions. It is not MEANT to be "perfect"...
Methodology: JDI and make it a longterm lifestyle, not just a short-term knee-jerk "trend," because of some or other upsetting event in the news. Just boycott ALL corporations, as far as personally convenient and possible, and always remember that even if only 75% of all the people on the planet only get it right about 75% of the time, on roughly 75% of everything they buy, it will finally make a massive difference for all the causes you also value. Want to bring the boys home? Do you wish to limit military actions to becoming multinational, following the principles of international law only, and independent of any corporate "interests." Do you wish to contribute to end western imperialist actions and meddling all over the world? You wish to contribute a small share to forcing Israel into a negotiated peace process? Do you wish to give small companies a better chance in the dog-eat-dog capitalist world in your country?
Join BDS, because the international cross-border politically influencial rich and powerfull only REALLY start caring when their pockets start hurting.
Regardless of where you live, or how much money you have, just remember this:
- You are not going to achieve change by voting in elections.
- You are not going to achieve change by posting on social media.
- You are not going to achieve change by debating on any plattform, real or virtual.
- You are not going to achieve change by making use your "freedom of speech" in any way.
- You are not going to achieve change by protesting in any possible way which will politically make a difference.
Here is what you can do, easily:
1) Read Smedley-Butler/War is a Racket, a very short book (should be possible in a few hours)
2) realize that after around a 100 years, NOTHING has changed
3) start unravelling the connections between big business and Washington DC, by boycotting "big brands". 👍👋
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