Comments by "Rob McCune" (@robm6645) on "How Fox News Brainwashed Her Dad" video.

  1. The fact there is so much trolling just shows how true this documentary is.
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  2. Bullshit.
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  3. Great interview David, I'm really looking forward to seeing the film. There was a brief period a number of years ago where I was actually brainwashed by right wing media. Fortunately I was able to break out of it in large part because the lies of the Iraq War were so blatant I could not help but see these people were lying to me and manipulating me, and once I realized that I could not listen to it any more. What the right wing does is brainwashing, it's goal is to condition the audience to react angrily to anything they perceive as being outside the group. That is why right wing media personalities always act angry (aside from the fact many of them are always angry) and why they are constantly demonizing other people and ideologies. It's pretty disgusting, unfortunately I see many liberals falling for that same propaganda repackaged here on youtube.
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  4. +MrRp25 Same here for me it was the clusterfuck of the Iraq War that convinced me I was being lied to.
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  5. Diversity Dan There is a nuanced criticism that could be made here, but most of the negative comments don't make it. At the time I wrote the comment, most of the comments were insults that called Jen Senko a liar, crazy, drug addict, etc. So it is trolling, not disagreement. If you want to elaborate on how you think I am wrong feel free.
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  6. Diversity Dan Right, and Mark Twain went around threatening to rape people's mothers. Simple fact is these people reacted to video as anyone would expect them to, all hostility and no substance. 
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  7. It's the fact that right wing media appeals to negative emotions and simple minded thinking.
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  8. That's because reality has a well known liberal bias.
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  9. State of Dekay Raging progressive lol. 
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  10. Somehow I doubt that facts accuracy and a well known reality bias are going to turn anyone into a hateful raving lunatic.
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  11. No, I've experienced it, and it is brainwashing. It is about conditioning people to react hostilely rather than think, it is about constantly manipulating emotions rather than convincing people of ideas.
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  12. Diversity Dan The existence does not, the nature does. It's all mindless reaction and personal attacks, that is what rightwing media is, and that is what it conditions people to do. And sometimes that is what it conditions them to be.
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  13. ***** Having a perspective or an opinion are not in and of themselves propaganda. 
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  14. Ellie Lowehiem Nah, that's just your right wing bias. You've bought into the same old outrage machine. 
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  15. Diversity Dan Proving what is going on in someone's mind is always a crap shoot. The fact that all the evidence is indirect is not a very good argument against it, because by the same token it is entirely possible everyone you talk to doesn't have a mind at all. Besides my point was not that a single troll proved it, but that the disproportionate amount of trolling was a good example of it. Trends exist in an aggregate, and that can be used as evidence of a hypothesis.
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  16. Wow, you really enjoy hopping from one cult to another don't you? It's like congratulating yourself for leaving scientology to join Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and Heaven's Gate.
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  17. cruzbohy I doubt you have ever met or had a serious interaction with the people you say "turned you into a conservative." It much much more likely you're just listening to people say they are evil whiners who will take your freedom. The new Limbaughs and Fox Newses like Milo Yiannopolis and Sargon of Akkad did way more than any left wing person did to make you what you are.
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  18. Glitched Link There you go, anyone who doesn't listen to the people you listen to is in a "progressive bubble." That's funny because your shows aren't even about the news. All they do is focus on what other people on the internet say, you're quite literally saying the trolls are the ones who tell the truth. I doubt any of the channels you watch are going to cover the Panama Papers for example, they don't care. What they will tell you is how evil liberals are, all day everyday, just like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Having actually been deprogrammed from the right wing outrage machine, I can see right through what Sargon AiU and Rubin are selling. Do I agree with them that a college feminist saying all men need to check there privilege on twitter is stupid? Yeah, but that's hardly the most important issue of the day. Dave Rubin is the Alan Combs of this new fake outrage, if you don't know who that is look up Hannity and Combs.
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  19. It says something good about you the whole thing is designed to make it look like liberals do nothing but attack good people and defend bad people, and there is an awful lot of demonization of all kinds of people. If all that can't push your buttons or let them get their hooks into you, it means you don't have a prejudice they can manipulate or exploit.
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  20. ***** Systematic manipulation is part of brainwashing but it is not synonymous with brainwashing. Brainwashing would best be described as a subset of systematic manipulation. The term brainwashing should not be watered down as you seem to be doing here.  Boiling it down to left wing and right wing is too broad a term, because there are counter-examples with-in each subset. A counter example on the right would be the wall street journal, at least before it was taken over by Rupert Murdock, because it tried more often then not to be a real journalistic organization. A counter example where the left borders if not engages in brain washing would be Cenk Uygur of TYT who is constantly giving an over the top performance akin to talk radio or Fox News on many stories which have about as much substance. The goal is to influence people with the emotions created by the performance rather than the substance of the story.  To prevent this from being watered down I'm just going to say notice how when I cited Cenk Uygur as an example I was comparing one man to an entire genre of radio with at least hundreds if not thousand of hosts and a multi-billion dollar media empire that gets it's reporters invited to the white house. This is what allows me to generalize about the left and the right in the way I do.  Now to get more into the substantive details as I have already pointed out right wing media depends on theatricality to influence the viewer more than the substance. Compare the presentation of Bill O'reilly who is usually angry and upset and yells at guests, to David Pakman who is very calm and serene, and does not yell and interrupt his guests. Even though both shows focus on a reaction to current events one, namely O'reilly is designed to provoke emotion, namely anger, fear, and aggression. This is there to shut down reasoning and make discussion hostile, and needless to say these kind of tactics impede reasoned debate.  Beyond provoking emotion, there is also misinformation. While it is true that there are plenty of examples of both sides using misinformation, the cumulative effect of right wing media has been demonstrated to actually reduce it's audiences understanding of current events. Studies have shown for instance that Fox News viewers are less informed than people who watch no news at all. Another aspect of this that is largely, but not totally absent on the left is the outrage machine. A good example of this would be the war on christmas, where a disproportionate amount of time is taken for Fox hosts to be angry at David Silverman trying move nativity scenes off public property. It is petty slights that are blown out of proportion and portrayed as an attack on the viewer. Another example of the outrage machine is given in the video where the woman said feminists might have a point about hooters and was threatened with being left on the side of the road. It is highly unlikely a Rush Limbaugh listener would do the same thing about a Christian opposition to Hooters. Another difference between left and right wing media is the attempt to isolate the viewer, using demonization of both liberals and a "liberal media" to make viewers dependent. Again, Fox viewers have been shown to be less informed than people who watch no news at all. It is reasonable to infer that they this would not be as much of a problem if their audience were watching other news sources as well as Fox. The study also included news programs that aren't on dedicated news channels so the study could conceivably measure people who left Fox to watch network news and then switched back. There is more to it, but I think these three work as good triad for starters, right wing media isolates it's viewers in ways left wing media does not, then constantly seeks to anger and outrage them rather than informing them and getting them to think. Again, this is far, far more true of a much larger entity on the right than it is in isolated instances on the left. 
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  21. There was a big fight against smoking in the 1990's and early 2000's, conservatives fought on the side of the tobacco industry and claimed attempts to regulate and ban smoking were based on a liberal scientific hoax. Today they do that with climate change.
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  22. Muh Spooks What does that have to do with anything? 
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  23. Muh Spooks Not really.
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  24. Muh Spooks Probably neither. 
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  25. State of Dekay First, the whole thing is over blown, it was overblown when Rush Limbaugh was talking about it, it is over blown from your new Rush Limbaugh on youtube. To the extend it does actually exist it's not a problem created by either the media or academia. 
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  26. No they didn't, you just accepted right wing propaganda.
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  27. Ellie Lowehiem I suppose you think that's terribly clever.
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  28. In America freedom of the press prevents that.
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  29. Dominus Pegas Yes, that is ok, essentially anything goes media wise. 
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  30. Dominus Pegas Absolutely. The sad fact is in this day and age you need a healthy skepticism of what you hear, and a certain media savviness to seek the truth.
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  31. Glitched Link Ressenimentology.
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  32. Glitched Link Simply put everyone you mention is a fake outrage machine just as bad as talk radio or Fox News. You've gone from a bad news source to people who just complain about other people on the internet.
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  33. Glitched Link Tariffs are regressive? I had no idea the indoctrination was already so overt. I mean I saw the Sargon video where he said liberals must support laissez faire capitalism or girls would steal your comic books, but I had no idea things had actually gone so far. 
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  34. Not even close.
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  35. Zebarbas No it's not, group think is a process, there is no ideology behind it, and the left isn't innately prone to it more than any other group. In fact the current left is very far from it.
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  36. Zebarbas Not really, there is individualism and collectivism on both sides. Besides the word collectivism has been abused to death by libertarians saying things like a living wage, workers rights, and concern for the environment are all "collectivism."
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  37. Zebarbas Fear makes people less rational, and paranoia is a constant state of fear. While it is understandable, politics is too complicated and far reaching for it to be decided by fear. 
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  38. Of course, it's ludicrous to think that people who watch Fox News, the highest rated cable news network, might actually believe what they are watching. Utterly ridiculous.
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  39. XMADDMARSX The comment was facetious sure, but it wasn't that funny.
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  40. ***** Not really. 
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  41. SuperSmashyfication That's not it at all.
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  42. SuperSmashyfication You've got it backward, there is a thing called brainwashing that anyone can do. Brainwashing is different than voicing an opinion, which anyone can do. It just so happens that rightwing media uses brainwashing while left wing media does not. 
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  43. SuperSmashyfication That's not special pleading.
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  44. SuperSmashyfication Seeing as brainwashing is a distinct thing, it is not special pleading. 
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  45. SuperSmashyfication Actually the left does not use systematic manipulation or force. That is just a false equivalence. 
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  46. You can get a digital rental through amazon for about $5. Overall I'm glad I watched it, however I had heard most of things about the rise of the right that make up the middle of the film. If you haven't read or watched a lot of exposés of the Fox, talk radio, the southern strategy, the rise of Reaganism, etc. then you will probably get more out of it.
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  47. +RJ Button Those aren't mutually exclusive, right wing propaganda conditions people to have a trollish personality irl.
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  48. I don't know if it's ALS, but the fact every right wing host is always angry about everything might have something to do with it.
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  49. cruzbohy Nah. I'm pretty sure I hit a nerve because you are entirely predictable. 
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  50. cruzbohy Now you're just obstructing because you know it is the truth.
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  51. cruzbohy Ironic coming from the guy who is hopelessly dependent on a handful of bad shepherds. 
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  52. ***** Said what.
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