Comments by "Rob McCune" (@robm6645) on "Are Progressives Disagreeing About Progressive Principles?" video.

  1. It is a right wing straw man, unfortunately you have these easily offended reactionaries who can't tolerate criticism of their heroes Sam Harris and Bill Maher. The disturbing thing is how easily they jump in bed with the right based on petty grievances.
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  2. ryan neitzel To say liberals don't take a strong stand against ideologies and policies we're opposed to is a strawman. 
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  3. And here we have the birth of left wing reactionaries.
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  4. Yeah what kind of idiot shits a brick like that just because they hear something they don't like? Oh right... I read you comment. 
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  5. I think there are very few progressives who completely deny Islam is a factor in this, hell I haven't even heard the evil Ben Affleck say that. A large number of people, myself included, don't like the simplistic assertion that this barbarism is all Islam, and by extension Muslims, is, was and ever will be and ignoring recent history that lead people to become extremists or sympathize with them.
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  6. karl john Expansionist war to civilize the heathen is a progressive value. Taking resources for our trouble is just fair compensation. 
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  7. Specimen P Wow you're just ignorant if you think the Protestant reformation was civilized and peaceful. 
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  8. Specimen P I don't know any other reformation that took place 500 years ago other than the one that plunged christian europe into well over a century of bloody conflict. What reformation happened at the exact same time that made europeans peaceful and civilized?
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  9. Specimen P Oh, it's the protestants that are the secular ones now? Could have fooled me since their the ones pushing for anti-secular, anti freedom, anti human rights laws in places like Russia and Africa at this very moment.  What a strange ahistorical and linear view of history you have. Your own source shows the protestant reformation and the enlightenment to be divergent. Of course saying their divergent undermines your argument that secularism comes from protestantism, which is self contradictory.
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  10. Specimen P The use of the word "brought" implies a direct causal relationship. The chart you cited showed a different relationship. Your statements suggested that A caused B where A is the protestant reformation and B is the enlightenment while chart shows that A and B both have a common cause C. C in this instance is the invention of the printing press. If that is the case then the printing press, not the protestant reformation, would be the cause of the enlightenment. This is evidenced by the the fact that much of the enlightenment and the protestant reformation occurred concurrently rather than consecutively.  While it is nice that you have a good relationship with your nephew, I fear you may be fostering the notion that belief in an authority figure (in this case his uncle or possibly aunt) is synonymous with intelligence or knowledge.
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  11. That is such a strawman. 
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  12. ryan neitzel You certainly seem post-modern yourself believing you can simply say things about these "liberals" you resent and have them be just as true as actual realities. The fact you don't want to have a debate is pretty telling, since in most debates people try to demonstrate "yes it is" and "no it isn't." Though making bizarre accusations about people you don't like supporting the enemy is hardly a debate. The whole idea that liberals are somehow tolerant of beheadings and sharia and fgm is ridiculous. Frankly you seem to stick your head in the sand and ignore everything that doesn't fit your narrative. 
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  13. ryan neitzel Thank you for your reply, it used the least strawmen and ad hominems of any of your comments. Though that is not saying much. I also appreciate you dropping the pretense that this has anything to criticizing ideas rather you believe that an entire group of people are "the problem" and must be fought simply for how they label themselves regardless of their beliefs and actions. The issue you have with modern liberals (as well as modernism as a whole) is the rejection of the collective guilt you associate with that group and your proposed means of "fighting" them.
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  14. ryan neitzel I see you have returned to your disingenuous and dishonest ways. In your brief moment of honesty you did in fact label all muslims as the problem.  "christians arent the problem, Muslims are." Actually I defend modernism because it is responsible for all the progress you feel makes you superior to others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_history#Modern_era "misrepresenting the other side to fit your narrative of "if they disagree with me then they're racist"" I've never said or implied you were a racist, that's first islam isn't a race, second I took issue with your reactionary misrepresentation of liberals until you revealed you true feelings on the matter. "you guys are delusional and use the race card whenever you dont have a good argument." You were the one who first brought race into this and have been playing that card the whole time without any prompting.  "you're a child " Ironic since I am handling this in an adult manner while you use lies, insults and your own sense of victimhood to run away from an actual conversation. "but rather choose to gain the "moral high ground"" If you don't like not having the moral high ground perhaps you should change your position to a more moral one.  "im done with you." And yet I have been more than gracious in continuing to converse with you despite your irrational anger, self pity and blatant dishonesty.
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  15. Exactly, there is no gravity there is only the fact that things fall down.
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  16. So?
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