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Greek 100%. Ethnically, culturally, religiously and linguistically Greek. More particularly Hellenic. Roman was only a civic name or otherwise called "official name". The DPRK calls themselves democratic, is it democratic though? As for Rome and Roman civilization, the truth is that Greek influence inside Rome was far stronger than any influence Rome had over the Greek provinces. Most Ceasars spoke Greek in private during the united republic of Rome. So in a sense it would be more accurate to call the Roman empire, Greek than to call the Eastern Roman empire Italian. The modern successor of the Eastern Roman Empire is Greece, no matter how much people seethe.
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@rosskourtis9602 Christianity was mainly developed in Greece and the biggest churches were in Greece. The Bible was written in Greek and even the patriarchate of Rome delivered communion in Greek for a couple of centuries. Greek was a Hellenic language. The Roman language that developed in Italia was latin not greek.
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@rosskourtis9602 Never said it was a Greek religion. It was adopted by the Greeks and in the main Roman provinces it started mainly from Greece and spread from there. Most apostles passed through Greece. As for "muh source". You can just search up the major early centers of Christianity and you'd find that the vast majority of them were in Anatolia and mainland Greece. Acting as if the Orthodox Catholic church did not have Greek origins is ridiculous.
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@kylezdancewicz7346 Not even close. New Amsterdam was nowhere near as influential and it was renamed the moment the English conquered it. Unlike Constantinople which never saw a Golden Age like the one under the Eastern Roman empire and was only renamed for the pride of the Turks.
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@user-jh9nx6tl1n Yet they speak Greek, are ethnically Greek, are culturally Greek and are religiously Greek. We Greeks also call ourselves Hellenes not Greeks but we understand that a name is only a description of our people's. The same way Romans is also a description of our people.
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@VoidLantadd The Roman empire was a diverse empire and the different ethnic groups were only Roman civically. It's like calling Egyptians "Romans" or Jews from Judea "Romans". Those were different provinces under Roman rule. Funnily enough, the Roman rule fell when the capital left Rome and that Roman rule became defacto Greek. Meaning that the original power structure in Italia was given to the Greeks of the various provinces.
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@VoidLantadd Not anchronistic whatsoever. It's the ties with which people's each history belongs to. The Roman Empire belongs to Italians and the Eastern Roman Empire belongs to Greeks. That's all there is to it.
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@DobyTheElf that's just a translation of Constantinople in Turkish. Same way Germans call Beijing Peking.
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@ItalMiser117 Not necessarily correct. If we ought to count it by name then Turkish and Ottoman would've been different. As for the current country that the specific historic timeframe is attributed to, it's 100% to Greece. The same way the Ottoman empire is attributed to Turkey. And the Roman empire is attributed to Italy.
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@ItalMiser117 The Ottoman empire was also multiethnic yet no one calls Armenians, Assyrians, Bulgars, Slavs, Greeks, Persians etc Ottomans. Only those that were of Turkish descent and culture were and are called Ottomans.
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@Calintares Name tags do not determine identity. The North Koreans call themselves democratic, but they are not. They called themselves Romans because the term Hellenes was taboo and connected to the ancient pagans of Greece (Hellas). All of Eastern Roman leaders and most of its residents were Hellenes aka Greeks. In ethnicity, in culture, in religion and in language. They were only Romans by name and had little to no connection to Rome.
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@Calintares Australian is a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Hellenes are an ethnic group. Romans can mean both a nationality and an ethnic group. In this particular case, if you say Roman you have to contextualize it within the actual frame that they are just citizens of the Roman empire and not of the original Roman ethnic group that derived from Italia. The people we are describing were Hellenes in every way other than name. And there is a serious reason on why they rejected the Hellenic label and it's because it used to be connected with the pagan Hellenes.
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@Calintares You're clearly not picking my point up. The question is if it's due to dishonesty or low IQ. Which modern country rightfully claims the Roman empire's history? The answer is Italy. Why? Because the Romans that started expanding were Italic and so was their culture, their language and their religion (as much as it was influenced by ancient Greek, it was clearly distinct). Also because the Roman empire started in Italy. Now which modern country rightfully claims the Eastern Roman empire's history? The answer is Greece. Why? Because the entirety of the Eastern Roman empire was Hellenocentric. And then someone might ask "why is it Hellenocentric if the people called themselves Romans and their empire Eastern Roman Empire?" . And the answer is because Hellenes were in charge of the ERE and because Hellenic culture, religion and language were the dominant ones. The empire also started on Greek lands.
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@Calintares It has to be dishonesty because you are at least average in the IQ scale. The ERE was obviously impacted by all the regions it controlled. The same goes with Rome or the Dane Vikings or the Han Dynasty and every multiethnic empire. The point is it all goes back to which modern day country? The entire reason why I never called them the "Greek empire" is because their legal and power institutions were Roman meaning that the entire power structure of Rome was transferred to Constantinople. Now what does that have to do with any of the things I am talking about? Nothing. Which modern day country is the rightful owner of the history of ERE? The answer is obviously Greek and everyone accepts it, but I want YOU to say it. I won't stand for dishonesty in historical subjects, so I will be waiting to hear an answer. It's not a controversial claim the same way that saying Turkey's history is the Ottoman empire isn't a controversial statement either. I can bring hundreds of examples like this. There is a reason why we accept the modern successors of each historic empire/state in the vast majority of the cases. The only one that had an issue with this in the hundreds of threads here is you.
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@Calintares Where have you been dishonest? You made 2 comments and you still didn't answer the question I posed (which was the main point from the start). Last chance for you to prove you're not dishonest.
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aka modern Greeks
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But there was no "Roman Christian" control other than during the crusades. It was always Greek Christian as a city.
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@stevenjlovelace New Amsterdam was never the name of the city during its height or the majority of its lifespan. New Amsterdam was the defacto name for less than 50 years. New York has been the name for 350+ years and all the golden ages of said city has been under that name. On the other hand, Constantinople was the name for 1500+ years and all the golden eras of said city was under that name. Instanbul is only 1 century years old and the city never became of high importance during that period.
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