Comments by "John Zuma" (@johnzuma4688) on "Christophobia in China! | Kay | Speakers' Corner" video.
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Lets see if I can answer you in way that you can accept and understand.
Whom Jesus was Crying "My God My God why have you forsaken me"?
Did he cry to Three persons as his God or cried to ONLY Father as his God?
>> Jesus was referring to to Psalm 22 where His death was prophesied some 1000 years earlier. <<
If Father is not only God then Why: Prophet Malachi says, "Do we not all have One Father? Didn’t One God Create us? (Malachi 2:10).
>> Well Christians believe that we have only one Father and that there is ONE GOD who created us. So what is your point? And where do you read in the Quran that Mohammed’s allah is our Father? So logically Mohammed’s allah is not our Almighty God of the Bible. So who is Mohammed’s allah?<<
Why Moses says, " Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you"? (Deut 32:6).
>> Why would Moses say this? Because it is true. So why do you not follow the God of Moses who is our Father and our Creator? <<
Why Prophet Isaiah says, "Yet the Lord are our Father? (Isaiah 64:8).
>> Strange that you would even ask that God is our Father. So where in the Quran is our One True Almighty God of the Bible called Father? <<
Why Prophet David says, "You are my Father, my God, the Rock of my Savior"? (Psalm 89:26).
>> Again all Christians know that our Almighty God is the rock of our saviour? <<
Do you Christians think all these Prophets were Liar?
>> Christian do not consider these prophets to be liars, but Christians do not consider Mohammed to be a prophet of our Almighty God of the Bible. In fact according the Bible Mohammed must be a false prophet <<
So which ambiguous verses are you talking about? And what makes you think that anyone denies the verses you have posted?
Christians reject Mohammed because he had sex with a child which makes Him an evil child rapist and disgusting pervert. We read that Mohammed said that his allah approved of sex with prepubescant children, which is evil and disgusting. Mohammed's said that his allah approved of Mohammed having sex with women he captured in battle and used as sex slaves which is rape and adultery. So clearly Mohammed's allah was not our Almighty God of the Bible which means that Islam is a false ideology and Mohammed was a false prophet. So can you answer why you follow a false prophet?
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Queries on Incarnation
1. If God has come in flesh as Jesus, how can the incarnation and sonship go together?
>> Have you not read the Gospel that you ask this question? God the Father sent His Word to us as a human being who we call Jesus in English. And of course the Word of God is God which means that Jesus is God. “The Son of God” is a title which shows the relationship between God the Father and His Word sent to us as a human being. So why would you have a problem with the the incarnation and the sonship? <<
2. If God has come as Jesus, why don't you call Jesus 'God' directly?
>> You are very confused. Jesus is the Word of God which makes Him God of course. So Jesus refers to the Word of God in human form. And as God is the Father, His Word and His Spirit Christians try and not confuse Non-Christians by referring to only One God instead of differentiated the three persons of our ONE GOD. <<
3. If Jesus is incarnated God, how is God again the Father of Himself?
>> Again you are asking a question that does not make sense. The concept of the Trinity is ONE GOD in three persons. So when God the Father (first person of the Trinity) sent His Word (second person of the Trinity) as a human being to earth, logically God the Father did not leave heaven. So God the Father has the relationship with His Word as a human being like a Father to His Son. Agreed the biblical God is far more complex than the imaginary stone idol allah invented by Mohammed. But then again, why would expect to be able to understand our Almighty God of the Bible when we cannot even understand what God created? <<
4. If Jesus himself is God, then-
a. which God did Jesus worship in Luke 6:12?
b. which God is greater than Jesus in John 14:28?
c. which God has sent Jesus in John 17:3?
d. which God has abandoned Jesus in Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34?
e. which God has raised Jesus in Romans 10:9?
>> Jesus is the Word of God, which of course makes Him God. So in Luke 6:22 Jesus the Word of God is talking to God the Father. And in John 14:28 Jesus says that God the Father who is the speaker is greater than Jesus who is the Word of God. That a speaker is greater than what is spoken should be logical to anyone who uses their brain. And of course God the Father has sent His Word to us as a human being. If you had just read John 1:1-14 you would have known that. In Matthew 27:46 Jesus is referring to Psalm 22 where His death is prophesied some 1000 years earlier. That of course shows that the Quran is false and cannot be from our Almighty God of the Bible. And of course God the Father raised His Word, you really do show your ignorance superbly. <<
5. If God has incarnated as Jesus, after being raised to the heaven, how is Jesus sitting at the right hand of God once he himself is God?
>> Again your question does not make sense at all and only shows how ignorant you are about what God teaches. Jesus is the Word of God, so the Word of God has incarnated as Jesus and after the Word of God was raised to heaven by the Father, we now have the Word of God sitting at the right hand of God the Father. That would be a literal view of this text. Now I am sure you can figure out yourself what it means when a someone sits at the right side of a leader. That of course makes Mohammed’s claim that he will be the one leading people in prayer at the end-times a total joke. So again the Bible contradicts what Mohammed stated which again proves that Mohammed was a false prophet. <<
6. If God the Father, God Jesus and the Holy Spirit- everyone is fully God and they are co-equal, co- extisting, co- eternal and distinct personalities-
a. why is the Holy Spirit not called Father?
b. If Jesus has a Father, why doesn't the Holy Spirit have a Father?
c. As God the Father and Holy Spirit are seperate entities, where the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, why is not the Holy Spirit called- Father of Jesus?
d. why isn't Jesus called the Father of God ?
e. As God is a Spirit John 4:24 and Spirit never dies, how could God Jesus die?
>> a. You really ask why the Gods Spirit is not called God the Father??? Simple because the Spirit of God is referred to as the Holy Spirit and not the Father. That in fact is stating the obvious.
b. The Holy Spirit does not have a father because no father is needed.
c. God the Father and Gods Spirit are separate persons but they are One God together with Word of God. So why would we consider Gods Spirit the Father when we consider God the Father to be the father? I know you are confused, but why would you expect Christians to be confused?
d. Jesus calls Himself the Son of God, so it is totally illogical to call the Son the Father.
e. The ONE God is three persons, the Father, The Word and The Spirit. Now when God the Father sent His Word to us as a human being, the Word of God became both 100% human and et stayed 100% divine. So the human Jesus died on the cross, yet the divine Jesus kept on living. <<
7. If Jesus is sitting at right hand of God in Acts 2:23, where does the Holy Spirit sit?
>> Sitting on the right side of God is a reference to the importance of Jesus and not a reference to a physical place in heaven. And as God is ONE GOD, you can rest assured that The God the Father will not forget where His Spirit is. <<
8. If God is a spirit in John 4:24 and none can see God in John 5:37 & 1 Timothy 6:16, was God Jesus a spirit and invisible?
>> None can see God the Father, but we can see the Word of God. Quite simple actually. <<
9. If God is Alfa and Omega in Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 21:6, which God died?
>> You still make the false assumption like Mohammed did that the ONE GOD of the Bible is actually many Gods. There is only ONE GOD. So it is not “which” God died, as that implies a number of Gods which is of course is a false assumption. So the humanity of Jesus died, but the divinity of Jesus carried on living. <<
10. Which Prophets from Adam to Moses- did preach Trinity?
>> Genesis 1:1-3 New Revised Standard Version >> 1 In the beginning when God created[a] the heavens and the earth, 2 the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God[b] swept over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. << Genesis is the first book of the Bible. So in the first verse of the first book of the Bible we have that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Here it should be noted that the word used as God in Hebrew is the word Elohim which is the plural form for three or more. So right here in the first verse we have God actually referring to Himself as Gods (plural). Then in verse 2 we have the Spirit of God (Wind of God) hovering over the water. And then in verse 3 God speaks, which he logically does through His Word. So here in the first three verses of the Bible we have a reference to the Trinity. And tradition has it that the books of the Torah were first recorded by Moses. <<
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@DeenNews24 What you believe is totally irrelevant. There are people who believe that the earth is flat, so do you believe we should take them seriously? Hopefully not.
You say >> A liar can't take risk of his life to spread the message. << Why not? Hitler lied to spread his message of Germans being the master-race. Putin is lying to justify his invasion of the Ukraine as did the Americans to justify the invasion of Iraq. In fact when we look at most of the dominant leaders in the world we find that they all lied about the message they spread.
You say >> if he lie his companion will get it and didn,t accept Islam << Again, most of the ardent supporters of Hitler knew that he was lying and they certainly had no problem with accepting the lies that Hitler made in his public speeches. And remember Uthman only 20 years after Mohammed had died burnt all the original Quranic manuscripts. Would he have done that if he thought that they had been given to Mohammed by God? Logically nobody would destroy writings that they believed originated from God. That would be blasphemy. Yet Uthman compiled his own Quran and then burnt all the manuscripts where people had noted down what Mohammed had recited. Clearly Uthman did not believe that Mohammed had received his messages from God. And of course Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman did not sacrifice their lives for Islam. Abu Bakr died of old age and Umar and Uthman were both murdered.
And the same for Aisha. Her sheep ate a whole lot of verses that Mohammed has apparently recited. You think she would have let her sheep eat the message from God? And even Aisha said that it was very convenient how Mohammed received verses from his allah that benefited him. Clearly Aisha was not convinced that Mohammed received all what he recited from his allah.
You say you follow Jesus and Moses. You do not. Jesus taught that a man should be married only to one women and that divorce was forbidden. Mohammed taught something very different. Moses taught that eating camel meat was as bad as eating pork. Yet Mohammed ate camel meat. So you are not following Moses either. On the other hand David was an adulterer as was Mohammed, so are you an adulterer that you claim to follow David? And of course Adam got himself thrown out of paradise, so I assume you know you will not make it into paradise when you follow Mohammed.
And you do know that Elohim is the plural form of God so it actually refers to three or more. And allah only means “the god” in Arabic, so it refers to any god in any culture. The same goes for the word God. And we know that the pagan Meccan idol worshippers called their moon god allah as well. So again which allah was Mohammed talking about. The Almighty God of the Bible has a name and Mohammed did not know this name. Clearly Mohammed’s allah is not our Almighty God of the Bible.
And yes, right in the first three verses of the Bible we find the Trinity. It clearly refers to Elohim (plural) consisting of the Elohim the creator of heaven and earth, Gods Spirit hovering over the seas and the Word of God through which all is created. Or do you not know that the Trinity is God the Father, Gods Spirit and Gods Word? That of course proves that Mohammed got it wrong.
And in Matthew 28:16-20 New Revised Standard Version » 16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”[a] «
So here we read that the disciples worshipped Jesus and Jesus did not object. And the disciples of Jesus were all Jews, so they would only worship God. And then Jesus said in verse 19 that the disciples should go to all nations and baptize them in the name of the Trinity. So it was Jesus who introduced the Trinity and not Paul. You again have been lied to my friend. And of course Jesus in verse 20 tells us that He will be with us always, which of course only God can do.
So our Almighty God of the Bible has guided me to the truth and that truth clearly tells me that Mohammed was not a prophet of our Almighty God.
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