Comments by "Iazzaboyce" (@Iazzaboyce) on "LBC" channel.

  1. The Conservative Party should get out of the way.
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  2. I was just talking to busdriver who told me: 'All the drivers are saying their passengers are talking about Reform' So, something is happening....
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  3. If Keir Starmer is "unflashy" in his £50k wardrobe - I dread to think what Marr would think of me...
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  4. We should call Harry by his real title: 'the Duke of Dinam' (daddy I need another million)
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  5. Zoe is absolutely right about these people fleeing from 'dangerous and difficult circumstances' An illegal family was recently awarded asylum in the UK from not being able to buy their favourite brand of chicken nuggets...
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  6. Looks like they're afraid of the supreme power of Big Ben. The chiming of Big Ben on Brexit will be the nation's gavel falling eleven times to end the treachery of Remain.
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  7. It's worse - he wants you and your loved ones at the front line while he lives the highlife in safety..
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  8. Do you mean the 'Block Brexit Campaign'?
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  9. I was just talking to pub landlord in Huddersfield who told me: "For the past five years they've been saying, I only voted Tory to get us out of the EU and will vote Labour next time and now they're saying, I'm never voting Labour again"
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  10. This guy has been getting it wrong for years.
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  11.  TGSUPERCHARGED  It's a bell that marks great moments in British history.
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  12. Should keep in mind Tories have won on loaned votes to deliver Brexit.
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  13. Well done to the prosecution, jury and judge. Whatever the cause, individuals cannot be allowed to disrupt society or detriment the lives of others. Perhaps in prison they can learn about democracy and how each person has one vote.
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  14. Most Labour voters are decent working class people, but these days the party is run by people with very different backgrounds and attitudes. Hopefully, this scandal will make people see those at the top of Labour are really in it for themselves.
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  15. I think 3 years (that means 3 years) would be more appropriate to serve both as a lesson and a deterrent. Clearly, these people were not taught by their parents to not deliberately destroy other children's toys - so society must now teach them and their brattish type some respect.
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  16. It seems unlikely the Conservative Party will go into the next GE in its present form. I remember my Dad telling me in the 1980s that, 'Europe' would end up destroying the Conservative Party. I can see a huge breakaway of Conservative members, Councillors, MPs moving to Reform and putting a 'Let's do Brexit properly' proposition to the UK people.
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  17. Customer: 'Can you tell me where the curry sauces are' ... You: 'Brexit!'
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  18. Actually it's 100% - because a country cannot speak.
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  19. Yesterday, in the canteen Labour and Tory voters were agreeing on Reform UK policies saying things like: 'The only way to find out if he can do it is make him prime minister'
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  20.  @johngodley256  The UK cannot write either.
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  21.  @Gph0367  Perhaps, but only around 10% are based on humanitarian reasons. The majority are students coming to the UK, because UK has 5 universities in the world top 25 (EU has 0 universities in the world top 25) 21 universities in the world top 25 are in English speaking countries. The majority coming to the UK to work are high skills and many are from EU countries. The UK has processed 7.5 million settled status applications for EU citizens to stay in post Brexit UK. Also the cost of living in the UK compared to other countries in Europe has improved since voting for Brexit. In 2016, the cost of living in EU countries like the Netherlands, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Portugal, Austria, Southern Ireland was lower than in the UK. In 2023, the UK cost of living was lower than the Netherlands, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Portugal, Austria, Southern Ireland.
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  22.  @lloydbelle3406  I didn't 'redefine' the ballot. The British people never wanted to be part of the 'federal Europe project' - it was an imposition by politicians and those politicians understand the British people will never vote to re-join.
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  23. We withdraw to WTO rules and let money do the talking.
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  24. What people don't like about Starmer is he takes money from struggling pensioners saying they shouldn't get free money and then thinks it's ok for him to get loads of free luxury goodies.
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  25. Doesn't that support Putin's position that this was peacekeeping force?
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  26. I think he will be remembered as the prime minister who ended the UK's dalliance with EU; a position the few could never re-impose on the many.
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  27. The problem with UK politics is that the political class does not represent the wishes of the people on the small matter of independence... At least half of Remain votes were a result of project fear.
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  28. "Where was the bulling?" If this idea for a law was to become law and this case was brought to a court, the court would want to consider evidence of bulling contributing to causing death and if there was insufficient evidence to show bulling had been a causal factor, then no crime would have been committed. Nick Ferrari puts the cart before the horse.
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  29. Hello!! Earth to wherever the hec you are! The people of the UK are not going to vote to rejoin the EU. Here's a challenge for you: What are you going to put on the side of your bus?
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  30.  @weediestbroom  OK - as a subject of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, I demand that Micheal Martin resigns with immediate effect.
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  31. Are you speaking from the front line or are you expecting someone else to do the fighting?
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  32. Because Remain was seen as the safe option and Leave the high-risk option - of those in 'two-minds' the greater majority would have voted remain. This means many more 2016 Remain voters would now vote for Brexit than vice versa... Sorry, but you changing your mind is nonconsequential.
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  33.  @gordonstrong5232  Brexit delivering something was not what people voted for. Brexit was the delivery of what people voted for. The ballot paper simply asked the voter did they want Brexit... Most voters did and Brexit has happened. Some people are able to argue Brexit should have been more absolute because the word "leave" was there. But you cannot chunter on about fish and fruit and airports, because those things were not on the ballot paper.
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  34. If being in the EU was the answer to economic problems Germany would join the EU.
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  35. How do you know this? Perhaps they found out when they got to the UK?
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  36.  @bradleigh10  Exactly! If it was was more - say £2000 or £2750 or £4500 or maybe £12000 then obviously she would have paid up - this is such a 'non-story'!
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  37. Picture the scene: You're attending a family gathering and Uncle Joe Biden starts wheeling the electric mower out of the garden shed.... What would you do?
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  38. That should happen soon - arguing against leaving is different to arguing we should re-join having just left.
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  39. And you said it again. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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  40.  @TinaButcher-r6m  I expect you mean 'world emigrants' but what are trying to say is very silly.
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  41. It's become clear 'Two Tier Keir' likes to point a finger at others and thinks it's somehow OK for him to do far worse. It's also clear he's more concerned about living the highlife than old people not being able to afford to keep warm.
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  42.  @gordonstrong5232  Because before the vote there was a huge fear factor and people feel it did not materialise. You need to wake up to the fact the UK/EU political vision has been destroyed.
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  43.  @bryangeake5826  And if the vote had gone to Remain - which version of Remain was that going to be? I'm sure Remain voters had different ideas on the UK adopting the euro...
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  44.  @bryangeake5826  I don't think some of you are getting the enormity of the 2016 vote. I blame the EU propaganda campaign to get a second referendum, but you have to see that for what it is and accept reality. The easy way to look at this is if they couldn't persuade the UK people to stay in the EU - they're never going to persuade the UK people to re-join the EU.
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  45. As a condition of being a member of the EU the UK government had to force all UK citizens to pay VAT on almost all consumer goods. This tax is currently 20% that the UK government needs to charge to pay the EU the huge amounts it demands for so-called 'EU free-trade'. Prior to this UK citizens paid a Purchase Tax which was mainly levied on luxury goods. In Australia where they operate under WTO trading arrangements businesses pay for imports and exports the Australian consumer pays Sales Tax at only 10% (half of what UK consumers are currently forced to pay for EU styled 'EU free-trade')... Why not give the little guy a break for once?
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  46. Labour: Not going well is it?
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  47. The 'UK in the EU' political objective is like a spider with its legs pulled off.
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  48.  @stevemacdonald840  "The euro area is facing a cost-of-living crisis. An increasing proportion of people’s income is being spent on essential purchases, such as food and energy. At the same time, price pressures are broadening and nominal wages are not keeping pace with rising prices. The result is a marked loss in people’s purchasing power and a decline in the labour share of income, which is the share of total income paid to workers as wages, salaries and other benefits." (European Central Bank 30 Sep 2022)
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  49.  @anthonyfelix5345  Yes - because the whole world is speaking German.
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  50.  @Joshpox  So, get Ukraine government to respect referendums for independence and it will all be over. Had they done this at the time it never would have escalated.
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  51. How can anyone 'morally object' to the UK leaving the EU? Isn't that just being silly?
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  52.  @seanw1962  If being in the EU had no effect - what was the point of membership?
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  53. The entire 're-join movement' is comprised of a few YouTube channels and Eddie Izzard - when do you suppose anybody will be 'voting again'?
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  54. Nigel Farage took on the political establishment and got the British people their country back.
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  55. There were/are at least 7 million (10% population never mind workforce) EU nationals in the UK making jobs harder to get and lower paid, housing harder to get and more expensive, queues longer for public services and consumer goods. In contrast - perhaps 1.5 million UK nationals in EU mostly retired spending their UK pensions employing EU people. If a million retired Brits are spending on average £300 per week in the EU - that is 15.6 billion UK pounds being pumped into the EU economy each year. 'Great deal'...
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  56. Interesting how James tells this: "On a scale of 1 - 10 the scandal of Boris' home decor would be an 8 and the scandal of Keir Starmer's wife's wardrobe would be a 1 or a 2." The thing is - it wasn't really 'Boris' home' it was a state owned building. Oh! And choose Starmer's wife's goodies to compare when Keir has had much more freebies in clothes, glasses etc.
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  57.  @frank-caroltrott6131  So, are you a citizen of a European Union and if not why not as you have had the oppotunity? I susspect what you really mean is you want to force all UK nationals to become citizens of a European Union...
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  58. Who is saying 'leave Europe behind'? Who is saying 'end migration from Europe into the UK'? Who is saying 'end Western culture'? Europe and Western Culture developed before the EU began. These things are not said by Leave voters and are false strawman arguments.
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  59. Did you include your suggestion on how to stop Elon Musk posting on X? And did you request UK citizens be prevented from commenting on US politics?
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  60.  @jamesberry8499  There was a referendum in 2014 and Scotland voted to stay a part of the United Kingdom. In 2016 the United Kingdom voted by referendum not to stay a part of the European Union. You can't want a referendum based on the reasoning you don't respect the outcomes of referendums.
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  61.  @jf9979  Yep - bad move indeed as 'the people' had accepted the result in 2016.
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  62. He actually thinks 'people are arguing about Brexit' - how out of touch can a person be? I'm quite interested, but I have to resort to YouTube, because nobody in the real world wants to talk about Brexit.
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  63. Pro-EU lot opposed having a referendum on joining the EEC, they opposed having the 1975 referendum on staying in, they opposed a referendum on joining the EU and they opposed having the 2016 referendum - then they said it would be 'democratic' to have a referendum...
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  64. Well, you hit the nail on the head - because it's people like you who wanted the UK to stay in the EU that have prevented the UK taking advantage of new opportunities. Unfortunately, the UK people are stuck with the same political establishment with its same rejected minority pro-EU vision. The simple truth is the people who fought for Brexit and won the referendum have not had a fair democratic chance in power to deliver. More than 50% of the UK electorate voted for an independent UK and we still have 85% pro-EU MPs.
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  65.  @lbergen001  They were lied to - the Remain side said voting Leave would mean UK house prices falling by 18% in two years - since voting to leave UK house prices have increased by 10% each year. There were lots of Remain lies - like saying the UK would not join the Euro. That's like UKIP saying We will not keep the Pound LOL!
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  66. Because they put Labour in power for over a decade and got illegal war, government handouts for working, priced out of home ownership and pushed out of jobs, healthcare and housing.
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  67. Or 'Foxford University'
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  68. Is that why so many people want to come to the UK?
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  69. Ciaranod zero eight Well, you appear to have a grudge against Farage; unless of course, unlike his grudge against the EU, your dislike for him is purely intellectual. I'm not saying I like or dislike Farage, or agree or disagree with his politics, I'm just saying he has done more than any politician to bring about Brexit. There's nothing xenophobic or racist about wanting to live in an independent country and it appears (now that Project Fear has bit the dust) this is the only tactic the Remainers have to persuade people to support their cause: 'You must be a bigot and a racist and agree with the murder of a good MP'. Only 36% voted in the last UK EU election and 50% of those will have voted Leave in the referendum - that leaves 18% of the UK electorate wanting EU democracy enough to actually vote for it.    
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  70. I'm not usually a fan of Marr's irksome pro-EU propaganda, but praise where praise is due - he must have got up very early to catch Jean-Claude before he got to his breakfast cognac.
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  71.  @cedriclempereur1892  Was there one version of "stay" in the UK 1975 referendum on the EEC? The version of Brexit we have is not being a member of the EU and making the best of it. I see Brexit as a simple instruction by the British people to British politicians to forget about ideas of a federal Europe and work for the people and country that actually pays your wages.
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  72.  @cedriclempereur1892  I think you are making absurd arguments. You seem to accept UK government decisions made when the UK was a member of the EU, but not the UK government decision to leave the EU. Brexiteers did accept the 1975 referendum, but they argued a lot had changed since that vote (like 'The European Union'). Enoch Powell did say on BBC as the votes were being counted that, he accepted the vote, but added the British people had not understood what they had voted for and in time would not agree to being part of a federal Europe. They mocked him, but was right, four decades later less than 20% of UK citizens were positively participating in the federal Europe project that was being imposed on them. They voted to regain independence at the first opportunity.
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  73.  @cedriclempereur1892  My maths is accurate and I stand by it. Your statement "majority of people voting for the UK/EU election were voting UKIP" is inaccurate as in the 2014 UK/EU election, UKIP gained 26.6% of the vote. When you have a sample of 33.5 million votes and this represents 72.% of the electorate, this tells you the residual 28% would have voted the same way. You could factor in that these non-voting people, if forced would be more likely to choose the anti-establishment option (Leave). It was a fair vote - both sides were allowed to make a case - the votes were counted correctly.
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  74.  @bryangeake5826  In a democracy the advice of the electorate is important. The government sent a leaflet to every home in the UK which stated: "This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide"
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  75.  @bryangeake5826  Well, the referendum obviously did not in itself end the UK's membership of the EU. We really ended up with a parliament of elected and unelected politicians at odds with the people on a constitutional matter. That parliament did its utmost not to follow the advice of the people. In the end the people voted a party into power that, promised to do what the people had advised the government to do. Now UK politicians shouldn't be having ideas about the UK being in a federal Europe.
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  76.  @bryangeake5826 Well, 'them's the rules' - you must understand that a PR voting system in the UK would have likely brought about Brexit much earlier. UK's FPTP system was the friend of the pro-EU machine. I have been trying to explain that, this whole thing was an imposition on the people by a few in power. The 'movers & shakers' responsible were the equivalent of a small English village (though you would never find a small English village with a majority in favour of the UK's EU membership). This was the big obstacle - they thought they could 'pull it off' but have instead ended up looking very silly. Poor old Shirley - she must have smirked a little when Tony Benn was on his death bed. 'It's a funny old world'...
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  77.  @gerardjlaw  Yes, well, frankly, all of your analogy is irrelevant to Brexit. The problem, as I have said before was political parties had been hijacked by EU supporters and there was never going to be a discussion or plan on whether leaving the EU would be better for the UK. The UK voters were given the choice of half a dozen parties all of which had a UK/EU vision. The vast majority of MPs and other politicians were plotting and scheming to fool the UK people into handing the UK over to the EU. As I have explained - the people didn't want this - so the people put a stop to it.
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  78. Well, that's hard to know because the EU refuses to publish its accounts, but we do know how much member states give the EU and based on this, the EU has much less money than the UK and the EU will have even less money when the UK stops giving it money...
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  79. Sometimes people with responsibilities like teachers need to be firm or we end up with adults who can't spell...
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  80.  @qwertywillbecool  Spending their UK pensions employing EU people. If a million retired Brits are spending on average £300 per week in the EU - that is 15.6 billion UK pounds being pumped into the EU economy each year.
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  81. When are you going to get to grips with reality? There was a petition for the UK to re-join the EU - it ran for six months - it got 43000 signatures - it's over - nobody is interested - get on the last train out of Cuckoo Land - FFS!
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  82.  @redlightmax  sometimesIforgettohitthespacebartoo
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  83.  @gordonstrong5232  So, Germany is a member of the EU and its economy is officially in recession? Well, it's lucky Germany's economic failure is not an indicator of the EU's overall economic strategy - else remoaners would not be able to blame the UK having a better economic situation to Germany, on the UK having left the EU.
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  84. If the Labour Party, Conservative Party, Liberal Democrat Party, Scottish National Party, Plaid Cymru, BBC, ITV, Channel Four, Sky News, The Times, The Telegraph, The Financial Times, the IMF, the Bank of England, the CBI, world leaders, the EU, Universities, 'experts' and Eddie Izzard couldn't persuade the British people to be 'EU citizens' - it ain't happening. What is it about 'Britons never never never shall be slaves' don't they get?
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  85. So, he doesn't want to re-nationalise, because he doesn't want to be seen helping shareholders...
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  86. He can't possibly know what it's like to go without when he's worth ten million quid.
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  87. It was joining the EEC/EU that caused division in the UK.
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  88.  @markwtal9453  We want no-deal as it best represents the freedom we voted for. If there are bumps in the road we will overcome. You sound like an abusive husband threatening his wife who is divorcing him... 'OK so you don't like my rules - well you will suffer without me and I will rejoice in that'.
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  89. I doubt it's 'impossible to prosecute' - probably has to do with whether a prosecution would be 'in the public interest' and the police are not able to make that decision.
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  90. The EU wants to start Woke War One.
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  91.  @Anonymous-ib8so  So you think the people of the UK were not told Brexit would be damaging? Were you in a bunker?
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  92. How many bus drivers have saved your life by doing their job properly? How many electricians have saved your life by doing their job properly? Isn't everyone supposed to do their job properly?
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  93. It started with the EU expanding where it wasn't wanted.
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  94.  @benghiskahn3673  I stand by my comment that EU expansion into Ukraine caused the war. Do some research into 'euromaidan'.
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  95. James O'Brien is like one of those oddball neighbours some people have to live nextdoor to. They always appear at the most inconvenient time to moan endlessly about unimportant things.
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  96. Actually Keir, it was your opposition to Brexit which caused the 2019 Labour defeat. Jeremy Corbyn almost won in 2017 when the voters trusted Labour on Brexit. The MSM had been giving Jeremy Corbyn a hard time, but when people were able to get a more balanced view during the election campaign they voted for Jeremy. You have been getting an easy ride Keir and 'as it happens' the voters will getting a more balanced view of you at the next election campaign.
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  97. They really put the pressure on. People were made to believe society would collapse.
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  98. The idea Brexit would lead to the break-up of the UK was propaganda aimed at patriotic Leave 2016 voters - the plan was to change enough votes to get past a second referendum and stop Brexit. It failed and the truth about the UK is that, before Brexit it was much more likely a floating voter in Scotland/Northern Ireland would vote to leave the UK. Ignorant remoaners have bought into desperate propaganda lies like: 'Brexit will break-up the UK' Brexit will stop air travel' Brexit will cause medicine shortage' Brexit will cause food shortage' 'Brexit will cause UK recession' 'Brexit will cause UK unemployment' 'Brexit will bla bla bla..... The reality is 90% of UK people do not talk or think about the EU. One more thing: At the time of writing this comment, the UK has been independent of the EU Single Market for exactly two years not "six" years as the presenter repeatedly lied to his guest and audience.
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  99. Absolutely! As it would had Remain won in 16. We were lied to - all pro-EU activists were/are working toward the UK joining the eurozone.
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  100. Oh please - take him - just don't send him back when your brain starts to hurt.
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  101.  @steveosborne2297  Yes, however, I expect EU immigration policy and FOM played a significant role in developing UK non-EU immigration policy. But, as you say ultimately it was the UK that was sending her home - just as it is the EU preventing UK citizens living and working in the EU - not Leave voters or the UK government.
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  102.  @truth2power  But what about all the EU problems to come had we not done Brexit?
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  103.  @markwelch3564  There are problems like the current cost of living crisis in the EU and the UK - we can never escape problems.
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  104. Leave was the portrayed as a high risk option - so of those who were in two-minds the vast majority would have voted Remain. This means there are millions of Remain voters that are satisfied with the result. This idea there is a significant number of Leave voters that now regret their choice is nonsense.
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  105.  @offlimits4635  France, Belgium and Netherlands are closer to the UK than Germany.
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  106.  @WeAreWatchingU  I think with pre-mechanised sausage production it was 'many Hans make light work'.
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  107. Why have 3 remainers against one Brexiteer when the people voted for Brexit?
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  108. And had Remain won by a whisker what would have been your 'olive branch' to Brexiteers? The reason you should support Brexit is we have chosen to live in democracy; opposed to a system in which a minority dictates policy on the basis they believe other people are not sufficiently intelligent to have a say. If you take everything into account - the vote for Leave was nation shockingly massive.
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  109. Starmer, Rayner, Lammy and Miliband are in charge of our country! Let that sink in!
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  110. Most of those who voted for the UK to stay in the EU are now not bothered about the UK not being in the EU, because they were in two minds over which way to vote.
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  111. How did we 'get better off' when before we were joined to the EU, a single unskilled UK wage could keep a family (before there were working tax credits) and buy a home?
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  112.  @philf5043  Not to mention 'the suitcases full of cash found under MEP's beds'...
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  113.  @briangilligan6270  I think it will be easy to change the mind of most 2016 Remain voter, because they were coerced by project fear.
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  114. That's called a 'subliminal swingometer'..
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  115. Exactly! She might have left school with more babies than qualifications, but she has the intelligence to spell people's names correctly.
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  116. I think you might want to edit the first sentence.
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  117. Are you Laurence Fox, or are you just projecting your own deranged fantasies?
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  118. It's looks like she (with the help of her husband to be) bought a council house they did not need just to get it at a knock down price and sell it soon as for profit. So, now she wants to make it harder for people to buy their council homes, because there's not enough council houses for people in need of housing...
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  119. Personally, I think the democratic right of self-determination as expressed by the referendums in the disputed areas should have been respected.
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  120. "According to the Bank of Estonia, around half of the increase in the nation's cost of living has come from the rapid rise in energy prices which happened after Russia invaded Ukraine in February this year -- and a lack of capacity in the Baltic countries, coupled with a drop in Russian energy production. "Higher energy costs will gradually be passed through into the prices of other goods and services. Inflation is being pushed up by strong demand, which supply has not been able to keep up with," the central bank wrote. Another big factor in Estonian inflation has been high food prices. "This is partly because the higher cost of energy has been passed into the production costs of businesses. On top of this, the sanctions on Russia and the supply problems that were initially caused by the pandemic have raised the prices of inputs for a range of products, pushing up the price of end products for the consumer," the Bank of Estonia explained." (euronews 03 Nov 22)
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  121. We voted to be out of the EU and we have got what we voted for - I think we can understand the difference between being a member of the EU and not being a member of the EU.
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  122.  @twittertwice  It means no responsible person would allow Joe Biden to use an electric lawnmower.
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  123. And if there was a re-join referendum in six weeks - Eddie Izzard's side would be lucky to get 30%...
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  124. Can't be done. The bell tower floors in every church in the UK have been removed for 'sweeping'..
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  125. Skip to best bit 1:53
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  126. She's not for or against Brexit - she's for democracy and law - she just wants to keep on having democracy and law until Brexit is stopped.
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  127. Must be frustrating for James to be so full of clever arguments about politics and have nothing going his way - I suppose that's because hardly anyone agrees with him.
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  128.  @simonrodgers2375  The thing with the £350m figure is there were complexities that were not going to fit on the side of a bus and be read at 30mph. 1, The amount was what the EU wanted for UK membership and what the EU was able to demand and increase. 2, The EU was moving toward ending the UK rebate and a Remain win would have bolstered this action. 3, Pro-EU UK politicians asking the UK public to vote Remain were against the UK rebate. 4, The pro EU UK government leaflet advised the UK people that, this was a long-term decision ("decades to come"). When these facts are considered the £350m figure was not a lie - more a 'point for discussion'. There was an opposing campaign called 'Remain' that was able to contest the claim, but was quiet on the matter. It was after the result that pro-EU forces spread the 'bus lie' propaganda to undermine the democratic result.
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  129. Just have to look at Brexit to see how divisive 'elected' politicians are...
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  130. I'm not a big fan of Rory Stewart but, that's because he's a remoaner twatface.
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  131. I have always associated losing and thick...
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  132. Two of my kids are now Aus citizens and through them I know around twenty Brits who have emigrated to Aus. I can't think of a single young person I know who has moved to the EU27 yet, I've met hundreds of EU27 nationals working in UK. The only Brits I know living in the EU27 are spending their UK pensions there. Seriously, were you ever going to live in the EU27?
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  133.  @stecrossley3911  Labour is going to have to ditch their ideas about the UK being in the EU as re-joining is a political dead duck. At the next GE there will be no other alternative to the Tories and a lot of people are against the Tories. Agreed, they're a shambles completely out of touch with the people they need to vote for them.
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  134.  @jamesberry8499  Loads of positives to Brexit - you would probably not see these as positives - but that's why we had the referendum - to stop a minority imposing their ideas on us.
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  135.  @ghfdt368  I only made one video - but, thanks and you're welcome.
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  136.  @jeremygough1387  OK 'professor' - have it your way, 'projet fear' never happened - lol!
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  137. Somehow, I doubt Israel gives a stuff about what the house of lords thinks?
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  138.  @christinebeckett7060  He knows if he even attempts to get something passed with Labour support he will be toast.
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  139.  @gordonstrong5232  So what you are saying is, you would like us to re-join the EU and have 85% Brexiteer MPs going forward...
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  140. How? The UK is a democracy run by elected politicians not unelected ideologues in government offices.
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  141.  @nicoleg-  The constituents of Richmond elected Sunak just as all MPs were elected. The UK's political system allows any MP to become prime mister if an MP can gain majority support of MPs.
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  142.  @nicoleg-  You mean 'those civil servants doing their job correctly' - yes, I agree. How does this relate to a civil servant contravening rules of conduct and getting fired?
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  143.  @megahedgehog8649  I'm not an expert, but I imagine the Civil Service is supposed to be non-partisan and implement policy decided and voted upon by MPs. If this were not the case the UK would not be a true democracy and be more like the EU in structure. Plainly, some civil servants advise on and assist with proposed legislative change, however, the wellspring of policy, must be the elected government with the elected MPs providing the necessary final 'checks and balances'. The ex civil servant in question, was voicing his own political opinions on a public platform, he was not drawing attention to any illegal or inappropriate activity - just complaining about government policy he did not agree with. He has a right to challenge his dismissal in the Employment Tribunal, however, I suspect he has been advised by his Union that, this would fail.
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  144.  @Sem5626  Since, these 'lies' were so 'obvious' - you should have no difficulty citing a statement (verbatim) made by the Leave campaign and demonstrating it with fact and reason to have been a lie. (A 'lie' being a knowingly false statement intended to deceive.') Just choose one example - I await with interest...
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  145.  @Sem5626  So, you accuse people of telling lies, but cannot prove your accusation - doesn't this make you the one telling lies?
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  146.  @redshift1053 This would only be a lie if at the time Danial Hannan knew there were serious discussions leading to a likelihood of the UK leaving the single market and he wanted voters to believe otherwise. I don't think there is any evidence to show this was the case.
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  147.  @AL-YT-comment  The Bus said "We send £350 million each week to the EU - let's fund the NHS instead" the first part is true, if you take into account the rebate which Remain supporters wanted to end and would have ended had the UK voted to stay in. The second part is a 'proposal' and therefore cannot be 'a lie'. The economic reality is money not sent to the EU would inevitably be used on the NHS instead, as the UK was borrowing to fund the NHS. I don't remember anyone saying the UK would have '40 trade agreements ready from day one' during the referendum campaign. As for 'cheaper food after EU exit' - independent fact based analyses shows that, food in the UK is now cheaper (by comparison with other countries in Europe) than it was when we voted to leave the EU.
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  148.  @AL-YT-comment  I have not said he didn't say that in 2017 - but we are discussing what was said during the 2016 referendum.
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  149.  @AL-YT-comment  I have answered that - the rebate was not supported by UK 'Remain' pro-EU activists and would have ended had the UK stayed in the EU. The UK people had a right to look to the future and the Remain side were at liberty to contest the figure. I sometimes wonder if you lot understand you were allowed to say stuff too - lol!
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  150. That's odd because the scary thing for me is how many people voted for Kamala Harris.
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  151.  @pbamcp  Yes, it does look as though Starmer will end up like Napoleon - just without the 'ruler of the people' bit.
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  152. Boris wants to get Hoaxit done.
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  153.  @anthonyshaw3614  Leave was the high risk option and Remain was the safe option - so of the 20 million in two minds a greater majority would have opted for Remain. This basically means the UK will never vote to re-join.
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  154. I really can't see a problem with 'no-deal' as we have 'deals' in place and I would assume the businesses involved in these deals want them to continue. Any problems brought about by business would cost those businesses and any problems caused by regulation would be sortable. In any case, I personally don't mind some short term difficulty if it means the future will be better. This is how life is, you see a house and you think, 'if I sell my house and move I'll end up with a better house'. Imagine still being in your first house because you were not willing to endure the hassle of moving home .
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  155. I only heard: "I, me, I, me, I, I, me, my, me, I, I, I, me, me, my, I, me, I, me, my, I, I, I, me, my, me, me, me...." "My nana was like me." Even reversing the cosmos to reflect self-importance...
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  156. Anyone noticed how this political idea to be part of a federal Europe has divided our country? Anyone noticed that the idea did not come from us, but from a hamlet sized group of politicians? Anyone notice any 'democracy' in that?
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  157. So, you should have no objections to a referendum on public ownership of British Rail, Royal Mail etc.?
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  158. 'Remoaning' is recognised by experts as a mental disorder linked to narcissism, entitlement, delusion and being an irksome prat.
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  159. I think the Remain side mentioned that and most people chose independence. If only you knew other people are allowed to think and vote how they want to..
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  160. Leave was the 'high-risk' option - so we know those who voted for Brexit (52%) really wanted to be citizens of an independent United Kingdom. Staying in the European Union was the 'safe' option - so we don't know all those who voted Remain really wanted to be citizens of the European Union. In fact the evidence shows at best 20% of the UK electorate positively participated in the EU political system. Despite this massive democratic rejection of the UK/EU vision, those that campaigned for Brexit have not had political power/any chance to deliver their vision. The same old political elite with its rejected minority vision still hold the keys to power - 52% voted for Brexit and we have 85% pro-EU MPs.
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  161.  @sproutandkidneysoup2296  That's a complete pile of S#!T. It's the new plan to con the UK people - keep telling them others have changed their mind.... Listen, if they couldn't win a 'stay-in' referendum they will never win a 'join' referendum. I actually want a join referendum for the exact same reason they don't want a join referendum - they would be even more finished than they are now.
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  162. If you use your brain - Remain told everyone voting Leave was the 'high-risk' option - of those in two-minds on sovereignty (perhaps 10 - 20 million voters) a much higher percentage would have opted for status quo 'safe-option'. Leave voters would have been more up for paying the higher cost of independence. This logically means of those in two-minds many more 'safe-option' Remain voters will have changed their mind than vice versa... Simples!
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  163.  @dman7516  In simple terms, 'Sovereignty' means the people of the United Kingdom possess the power which drives what the people and United Kingdom does by United Kingdom law. This is facilitated via democracy, whereby the people's power is conditionally bestowed on MPs, who then govern by majority of MPs in the House of Commons. At mandated parliamentary elections this power is returned whole to the people. No Monarch, individual person, MP, group of persons or group of MPs can hold power greater than the people and thus, cannot diminish or misuse the people's power in any way.
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  164. When you say 'we' who do you mean? It's like you don't understand that, all politicians/people in the UK are not exactly the same...
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  165. Starmer is trying to look big in clothes paid for by another man - he has zero power over Musk - which is why Musk is going to win.
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  166. I think Ed's right! Why would any country want to sell to Britain if Britain wasn't in the EU.......OK for our money - but apart from that?  
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  167. So if Nigel Farage did not win the EU referendum, who do you think did - the con lib lab alliance? Ha! Ha! Ha!
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  168. Ciaranod zero eight I remember now, but he was the one person that made the referendum happen. A lot of people tried for a lot of years, but political experts accept that Nigel Farage ended the UK's EU membership. It's time people realised he is the UK's most consequential politician. He basically trashed the legacy of the last eight prime ministers and their governments ;o)
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  169. It's in the 'public interest' to find out whether she did make a false declaration, because there's a lot of uncertainty and people should be in no doubt about what the law requires them to do. This is particularly the case when failure to provide correct information could result in not paying lawful taxation. Some of these callers seem to think it's clever giving out the message you can break the law providing you don't get caught for 12 months.
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  170. "I've helped millions - well, several"
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  171. "Things will get worse before they get better" That's right Keir - the people will look at your disaster and vote for a Reform government.
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  172. If France is responsible for the operation and the operation fails then France is at fault. The fact the French checkpoints were only 40% operational is proof of this.
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  173. Why is this even happening? We're not in the EU and we're not joining!
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  174.  @bryangeake5826  Not sure what it is you're getting at.
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  175.  @gerardjlaw  Interesting analogy - in my experience people that sell a house and buy a new one are glad they did. You are referencing pro-EU propaganda used at the time of the referendum: 'buying a house without seeing it first' 'getting divorced' 'crashing a car' 'being pushed off a cliff' - it's no coincidence these things are known to be the most feared life events. Nice EU trying to frighten us...
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  176.  @gerardjlaw  'How To Get A Second Referendum' 'Chapter One: Make the people think others (clever people) have changed their minds and the old result would be overturned'. If the 2016-2019 UK parliament believed it could reverse the Brexit vote - it would have voted for a second referendum on the basis, 'the reliable evidence shows the electorate has changed its mind'. I would define 'positive participation' in a democratic system of governance as, 'voting in that democratic system of governance and wanting to be governed by that system of governance'. In the 2014 UK/EU elections less than 36% of UK citizens voted - 2 years later (using a sample vote of 33.5 million and loosely allowing for variables) at least half of those 2014 voters voted to leave the EU. Thus, at best 20% (more like 18%) of the UK electorate had been 'positively participating' in the EU.
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  177.  @cedriclempereur1892  My maths are accurate - perhaps you just cannot understand.
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  178.  @gerardjlaw  You could get a bus with Let's send £25 billion each year to the EU and another bus with Let's give up our sovereignty to Brussels' and another bus with _Let's ditch the Pound and join the Euro and anther bus with Let's have freedom of movement I'm starting to get worried now...
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  179.  @gerardjlaw  I think you are mistaken about the level of support for the EU as most people are not interested in the EU and are fed up with hearing about it. After the referendum there were some protests - these consisted of around 20 retired men in beards, socks and sandals. It was only when the pro-EU propaganda machine made out that Brexit was all a cunning plan by Jacob Rees Mogg that the demented 'Momentum' movement became involved (oddly Jeremy Corbyn had always opposed the EEC/EU and voted with JRM). The marches were greatly exaggerated by the Pro-EU news/media and prominent left-wing Brexit supporters were cancelled. Go out and talk to people - most couldn't care less about the EU.
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  180.  @JohnSmith-ji6lu  You mean 'Brexiteers and Brexit' - that's 'game on'...
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  181.  @gerardjlaw  Have you factored into you maths theory the fact that, old people (like you) also voted Remain and also die?
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  182.  @gerardjlaw  And 8 out of 10 old people vote and 3 out of 10 young people vote. Also young people are impressionable and inexperienced - less likely to understand the issues as well as most older people do. I think you are putting way too much store in this notion 'the 2016 majority' will soon be 'brown bread'. And it's completely unrealistic to assume 48% would vote to re-join on the basis at least 7 years ago 48% voted to stay in. Any re-join vote would be an entirely different kettle of fish - for a multitude of reasons - all of which would benefit the 'No' side. I have demonstrated with indisputable fact how less than 20% of voters are truly committed to the 'UK/EU vision'. I would guesstimate more voters are committed to the 'independent UK vision' -perhaps 30%. This would mean a re-join campaign needing to convince the greater majority of the remaining 50% of undecided/uninterested voters to vote 'Yes' with the 20% just to level. These people would be asked to vote for: 1, Sending £20billion to brussels each year. 2, Surrendering UK Parliament autonomy. 3, Reintroducing EU freedom of movement. 4, Agreeing to potentially adopting the euro. 5, Joining the EU armed forces. 6, Having to pay and put up with UK MEPs. These thing are too easy to argue against and exactly who do you have in mind to champion this 'let's go-backwards' crusade? All of your leaders have either accepted defeat, run away or clearly need putting in an institution.
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  183.  @gerardjlaw  I think it's generally accepted among non-partisan experts that the UK would not vote to join the EU. Re-joining would be too hard to sell and too easy to oppose. A massive factor would be the national humiliation associated with crawling back to ask for our tummy to be tickled. Labour will change its policy on the EU - just as it did in the 1980s. So, like I said who's going to do this referendum - Richturd Branson?
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  184.  @slaterslater5944  So, everyone knew what Remain would be and the people chose the alternative - thanks for making this clear.
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  185.  @slaterslater5944  As I remember it leaving the EU was the alternative option to remaining in the EU and most voters chose to leave. There was plenty of information given by both sides. I don't understand your question.
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  186.  @gerardjlaw  The EU would be very keen not to appear desperate in case the vote was for not joining. It would have to come out with something like: "The UK would be treated in exactly the same way as any other country wishing to join the EU'. This would be very useful to the 'no' side, as it would give carte blanche to claim the EU would make new demands as a condition for entry. The 'yes' side would not be able to presume what the EU might or might not do.
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  187.  @gerardjlaw  The reality is the EU would do almost anything to get the UK back, but it's complicated. The UK is easily the most influential country on the planet. The UK's international role during the last few centuries has in many ways shaped the modern world. So plainly, the EU was damaged by Brexit - it was a blatant rejection and it severed the EU from UK's wealth, international connections and standing. If there was a referendum, the EU would be forced to stay out, it would not offer the UK special terms, as this would be seen as interference. As I say, the 'no' side would be free to claim the EU would be in the driving seat in any negotiations creating uncertainty, whereas, the 'yes' side would be unable to speak for the EU, unable to allay concerns. This would be just one of many advantages the 'no' side would hold.
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  188.  @cedriclempereur1892  You are arguing with yourself Cedric. I have not said the British Empire has not long gone - I haven't said the UK economy is out performing any other economy. You cannot win an argument by inventing your opponent's position. I said, the UK has had great influence on the modern world. Why have you learned the English language Cedric? Probably, because there's no way you can use the airports of the world without learning every other language. I said the UK was a wealthy country - It's rated to be fifth richest country on the planet. The UK pound is rated to be the fifth strongest currency in the world (above the euro) and is the oldest 'in use' currency in the world.
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  189.  @gerardjlaw  The British Empire followed a natural and inevitable course, yes, there was some exploitation (What's old about that?) but, overall it was a story of development and collaboration, a 'family of nations' - still existing and loving cricket today. I'm not longing for empire, power or even influence. I was simply pointing out that, because of the UK's past influence in shaping the modern world and its wealth, Brexit was a humiliation and detriment for the EU. Like most people, I voted for Brexit because, I believe politicians voted into power by the UK people, should stick to making the UK the best it can be.
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  190.  @gerardjlaw  I might buy into that, if it wasn't for my lived experience. I remember life in the UK before EEC/EU. A single unskilled wage could keep a family and buy a home. After a few decades of 'Europe' both parents are forced to work, claim 'in work' benefits from the state to feed and clothe their children and cannot buy a home.
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  191.  @gerardjlaw  You appear to be assuming that, had we not joined the EEC/EU our standard of living would have declined even further - we cannot know this. If UK working class people were more content with their lot then Remain might have won. Politics is always about contrasting ideology and vision of the minority, there were those that really wanted in, and those that really wanted out, but most were/are not very interested. In the end the EU was expecting UK people to handover money, handover control, handover jobs, handover houses, handover medical care, handover education, handover fish and they could see no benefit.
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  192.  @gerardjlaw  Well, I have to disagree because, I had an unskilled job and I supported a family and bought a home and that was 10 years after we joined the EEC. Also, there was no 'working tax credits'. I think you have hit the nail on the head when you point out UK working class are worse off than EU27 working class. This is why I think they are entirely justified not wanting to fund those counties. Countries like Southern Ireland that has taken £50 billion more than it contributed for just 5 million people that can't stop hating the British. There were 10 million EU27 in the UK - I'm pretty sure they were using hospitals and schools.
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  193. No deal would mean the UK is a democracy. The UK electorate voted to be independent of the EU.
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  194. @Eli OberoN I hadn't thought of it that way - very interesting.
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  195. Announcement for those attending the 2023 National Rejoin March in London To avoid a repeat of last year's confusion. The organisers would like to make very clear. The line of people dressed in blue and gold will be the (NRM) march. NOT a queue for information on how to find the (NRM) march. P.S. Please bring ample supplies of incontinence products.
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  196. That's right! "Australia has no deal with Europe" If any Australian citizen wants to export any type of goods into the EU they just have to put 'WTO' on the shipping container and it goes straight through, because there's no deal - no conditions - no documents - nothing.
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  197.  @NunoRaposo1978  I have not said that - you have said that in an absurd attempt to argue with your own lie to somehow make me wrong.
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  198.  @Arsenic71  "The Australian system is entirely down to them because they are not EU members and trade almost exclusively on WTO terms, so they can do whatever they want.".... Isn't that what I said?
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  199.  @berniem.6965  You should go to Australia and see for yourself - I have been there many times - everything is way cheaper than in the UK.
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  200.  @berniebranfield8124  WTO terms are attractive to consumers in the UK - the UK government has said it does not want to apply high tariffs on imports - the thing is the single market is not 'free' to the UK, because the UK consumer is paying high levels of sales tax (20%) compared to WTO economies like Aus (10%) and USA (6.25%). The UK is paying the EU large sums of taxpayer's money for so-called 'free' trade and must raise this somehow. If the UK decides on WTO it will have scope for lower sales tax on basic goods and less well-off people will see the benefits of not being in the EU. It's OK for countries like Southern Ireland that have taken £50billion more than they have put in between 4.5million people, but the UK poor have been paying for this. Also, UK employers will be forced to employ UK citizens instead of choosing the best from the EU unskilled workforce. It's time for the UK working class to have some of the UK cake!
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  201.  @berniebranfield8124  It's a tad more complicated - there's plenty of WTO info online..
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  202. What do you think FOM allowing unrestricted access for low-skilled EU27 workers to bid for UK employment and housing did? I wonder if 7 million (10% of the UK population - let alone the UK workforce) EU27 workers in the UK made getting a UK job easier, UK wages higher and UK housing more available and affordable?
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  203.  @EGF1000  The EU27 workers are still here because more than 6 million have applied for settled status. I didn't say they didn't contribute to the UK - I said they made jobs harder to get and lower paid and housing harder to get and higher cost. You seem to be starting a disagreement with yourself - not me...
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  204.  @annmonica2253  Yes, but 200 years ago there were less than 10 million people in Britain - now there's probably 70 million. The point I was making is 'too much' immigration causes hardship for working class people.
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  205.  @skwame  Please go on - show us where the GFA prohibits border checks on trade goods between UK and ROI.
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  206. What's the point of all this ranting when the people are never going to vote to join the EU?
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  207. Odd, how we joined the European Coal And Steel Community and in ten years had no coal or steel industry...
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  208.  @BetjeWolff-v2s  You don't need to read a book to see the European Coal And Steel Community did not want to buy coal and steel from the UK. We know UK production was ended and the UK started buying coal and steel from mainland Europe.
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  209. Trouble is so many Labour voters don't trust the PLP with Brexit. These people are dads/granddads, respected in the community/workplace and they influence their families and friends.
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  210.  @gordonstrong5232  LOL!
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  211. How did the last 'immigration' vote go for you guys lol?
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  212. 'eightyyyyyyyyyyyyy'
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  213. "Gullibility at it's worst" ... Idiot!
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  214. The plan of the pro-EU MPs and the EU is to attempt to reverse the 2016 vote and if they cannot achieve that - to keep the UK tied to the EU to make rejoining (by trickery) in future possible. The reason they 'fear' no-deal is not because the UK will suffer, but because the UK will prosper and its people will never vote to rejoin the EU.
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  215.  @susannehartl3067  There are opposing arguments to what O'Brien spouts - controlling the narrative doesn't make him right.
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  216.  @redrob6026  I looked it up - Starmer is worth £10 million...
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  217. Are kangaroo show trials removing the people who get the most votes improving our democracy? Whether you agree or disagree with policies - it's a bit of a coincidence the two most popular politicians (Johnson and Corbyn) have been pushed out of politics...
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  218. Imagine how many more people would have voted for Brexit had the pro-EU activists been honest about their wish to join the UK to the euro... The UK Gov pro-EU leaflet (paid for by the people and £9m over the fair spending rule) stated: "We will not join the euro" of course the idea was to later claim this only referred to the Cameron 2015 government. Odd, the single currency is a flagship policy of the EU - yet no Remain campaigners mentioned it...
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  219.  @susannehartl3067  Are you saying no one in the UK agreed with the EU single currency policy? The EU expects all member states to adopt the euro.
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  220.  @susannehartl3067  Just thought someone in the UK would have wanted the UK to join the euro - but it seems not one person agreed with Brussels...
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  221. That's it in a nutshell. Anyone dreaming about the UK being in the EU - really needs a more realistic dream...
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  222.  @johnrussell3961  I think he was trying to point out the absurdity in linking every problem to Brexit, as though we had somehow abandoned a utopia in the EU. There is a persistent 'blame Brexit' dialogue in the media that 90% of the electorate either disagrees with or doesn't relate to.
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  223.  @kerryburns6041  I'm basing it on the fact only around 18% UK voters positively participated in the EU political project - and of that 18% at least 45% now see that current problems are not caused by Brexit. This means 90% of the electorate either voted for Brexit and disagree with 'Brexit harm' claims, Voted Remain and disagree with 'Brexit harm' claims, Voted Leave/Remain and not interested or did not vote in the referendum and are not interested.
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  224.  @kerryburns6041  I'm aware of that... It leaves 10% thinking Brexit is to blame for current problems and 90% not thinking Brexit is to blame for current problems.
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  225. Why though?
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  226. The issue is people have to pay tax on profit - it's how Angela Rayner gets paid and how Angela Rayner is able to make spending pledges in the Labour manifesto...
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  227. It's all propaganda - he voted Remain and is pretending - the idea is not very bright people who want to be clever believe the clever people vote Remain.
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  228.  @Nigfis  You'd be surprised, just by staying awake when your life depended on not having a sleeping bus driver at the wheel of a speeding bus. How much did you bet? Just send it to a charity from Lazza..
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  229.  @zivkovicable At least you agree on the facts it's not going well now - neither of us know what the future will be. Yes, I voted for independence. There was no actual desire to be part of a federal Europe - else somebody would have objected to the UK government pledge never to join the eurozone.
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  230.  @zivkovicable  The UK cannot be in a federal Europe just because 500 people attended the 2024 National Rejoin March....
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  231.  @colloquialsoliloquy6391  Actually, your comment makes no sense. If what you are trying to say is Brexiteers lied. Then cite a statement verbatim, attribute the statement to the Brexiteers and demonstrate (with fact) why you think it's a lie. We will use the definition a lie is a false statement made with intent to deceive. Go on then...
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  232.  @colloquialsoliloquy6391  Firstly, Brexit was not implemented by Brexiteers - if it had been immigration would have reduced. Secondly, that £350m was not prevented by the Electoral Commission that had power to stop untrue campaign statements. Oh, and it was tested by a failed private court case. Try again...
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  233. As a condition of being a member of the EU the UK government had to force all UK citizens to pay VAT on almost all consumer goods. This tax is currently 20% that the UK government needs to charge to pay the EU the huge amounts it demands for so-called 'EU free-trade'. Prior to this UK citizens paid a Purchase Tax which was mainly levied on luxury goods. In Australia where they operate under WTO trading arrangements businesses pay for imports and exports the Australian consumer pays Sales Tax at only 10% (half of what UK consumers are currently forced to pay for EU styled 'EU free-trade')... Why not give the little guy a break for once?
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  234.  @col.hertford9855 The UK cannot be in a federal Europe just because 500 people attended the 2024 National Rejoin March....
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  235. Are you saying if she had owed more she would have paid it?
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  236. Just one thing, I live in the UK and I have not met one person who has told me they voted Leave and would now vote to join the EU. I have met a lot of people who have told me they voted Remain, but now think they should have voted for Brexit. You are believing establishment propaganda designed to create a working image of Brexit failure and regret - it's the sinister stuff George Orwell warned us about.
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  237. Remoaners have becomes such a joke - 25% would vote to re-join the EU.
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  238. Harry struggles with constraints on his life of luxury and privilege. Some people overcome constraints by strapping on artificial limbs and refusing to be less than others. Harry wants to make money from the notion he is better than others by birth.
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  239. As a condition of being a member of the EU the UK government had to force all UK citizens to pay VAT on almost all consumer goods. This tax is currently 20% that the UK government needs to charge to pay the EU the huge amounts it demands for so-called 'EU free-trade'. Prior to this UK citizens paid a Purchase Tax which was mainly levied on luxury goods. In Australia where they operate under WTO trading arrangements businesses pay for imports and exports the Australian consumer pays Sales Tax at only 10% (half of what UK consumers are currently forced to pay for EU styled 'EU free-trade')... Why not give the little guy a break for once?
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  240. Thing is there are ten 'very' 'very' punchy reasons not to re-join the EU and the only thing the re-joiners have is their word 'the UK economy would be better' Then there are the ten 'very' punchy reasons not to re-join the EU...
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  241. Imagine Leonard Rossiter and Arthur Lowe meeting James O'Brien in a green room and talking politics lol...
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  242. Just grow up and understand the UK people are never going to follow Gina Miller and Suzi Izzard back into the EU. The UK being in the EU has been a monumental failure and history can only record it as such.
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  243. Starmer understands, because his dad was a toolmaker and he's only worth £10 million.
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  244. My wife and I was at Heathrow in departures once and we spotted a young woman (early 20s) crying her eyes out. We asked if she wanted some company had a few drinks together. The reason was she'd been working in London for 2 years set up home made loads of friends and was forced to go back to New Zealand because her visa expired. Her grandparents had moved from England to New Zealand in the 1950s. I told her she should have got herself born in Romania and we were going to vote to leave the EU and wanted our cousins down under to be allowed to stay in the UK.
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  245. Looking back it's easy to see that the UK's membership of the EU was a gigantic waste of money and time. Really, the nation was hoodwinked by a small village sized minority in power.
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  246. You're going to need a reason why UK people would vote to rejoin.
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  247. I agree - she would be aware that many people who voted for pro-EU parties would vote to leave the EU in a referendum - same as in the UK.
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  248. ​ @Charlie_Crown  It's just political tactics - no point handing your opponents free ammunition to use against you. On a single issue vote half of EU citizens could easily vote to leave the EU. Remember before the campaigns the clever people believed the UK would vote +60% to stay in the EU... You say 'hoodwinked' why were these gullible people not hoodwinked by the £9m government leaflet? I suppose in reality many were. Perhaps had that leaflet not blatantly lied about the true intentions of pro-EU activists to eventually join the UK to the eurozone - the win would have been even greater for Leave.
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  249.  @Charlie_Crown  The bus did not lie. The £350m figure was taken from EU documents - it was the EU's own figure. The rebate was up to the EU not the UK and those pro-EU activists asking people to vote Remain did not want the UK rebate. We were advised this decision was for the long-term. Of course any money not given to the EU would be used on the NHS instead - and the NHS gets more than £350m each week and now we have to borrow less. The bus is nowhere to be seen, because the referendum campaign is over and the message is no longer relevant - also it costs money to have advertising on buses. Saying 'the bus was a lie' was a lie made up by the pro-EU activists that tried to overturn the Brexit vote. The lie I referred to was the £9m (over fair campaign spending limit) government leaflet that stated: "We will not join the euro" when it was obviously the EU policy for the UK to adopt the euro. Are you telling me Clegg, Blair. Adonis. Branson, Ashdown, Izzard, Starmer and the rest of the quisling loons were against the UK joining the euro? Funny they never mentioned this...
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  250.  @Charlie_Crown  You almost made me doubt my understanding of basic English - so I checked with the Oxford Dictionary "1.1instead of As a substitute or alternative to; in place of" So, not getting where you get 'EXTRA' from.
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  251. The only real problem is a minority of ideologues not accepting democracy.
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  252.  @stevemacdonald840  Yes, just the UK is not in the EU because we wanted Brexit.
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  253.  @stephennewcombe976  I think if there was a join referendum the join side would be lucky to get 25%. There are too many persuasive reasons to keep independence and no persuasive reason to give up independence.
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  254. As long as we can see the complaints and evidence about Savile that was put before Starmer for his consideration.
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  255.  @jaxcoss5790  Pro- EU nutters..
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  256. There is no law stopping you living in any number of houses, but if you sell a house you have not been living in any profit is subject to capital gains tax. Students typically rent accommodation which doesn't involve making any taxable profit. However, if the owner of student accomodation sold the property then the owner would have to pay tax on any profit gained from the sale.
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  257.  @Mark-Haddow  Brexit has made it much less likely Scots will vote to leave the UK. All this talk of 'Brexit leading to the break-up of the UK' was just propaganda to scare some people who had voted for Brexit.
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  258.  @Mark-Haddow  Well, I don't agree. it was very easy to tell people in 2014 that, because the UK was in the EU there would be no issues trading with the UK or living and working in the UK. It's now a much bigger change to vote for. PS. Learn to read - you have revealed that it's you who thinks it's all about Scotland and England.
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  259. So, let's allow murderers to dictate national politics with threats of even more murders - I suppose you think Ukraine should give up sovereignty of Donbas and Crimea to prevent violence too...
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  260.  @offlimits4635  Having just checked on Google Maps I still say France, Belgium and Netherlands are closer to the UK than Germany.
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  261.  @WeAreWatchingU  It's so true! One of my my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfathers was born in Hamburg by the sausage stall, his name was Hans. He didn't come to 'Great Britain' though as that came about with the Act of Union in 1707.
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  262.  @WeAreWatchingU  What are you saying? If you have never heard a negative word said about Germans - why would uneducated people be a problem? You don't seem educated, because your comment doesn't make sense.
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  263.  @WeAreWatchingU  I don't agree. I think most people are not bothered about other nationalities until it becomes an issue. If when Brits go to a holiday resort on the Mediterranean and they notice German people rise at 6am to place towels and other items on all the sun loungers - then go for breakfast until 10:30am - they think - odd people.
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  264.  @cowbanchalam9725  Pretty sure young people think people in their 6os are old...
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  265.  @coppershark1973  Anything intelligent to offer?
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  266.  @Mikeysof1  So, a UK prime minister takes money from pensioners whilst taking freebies worth thousands for himself and the media should not report on it - why do you think this?
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  267. This is 'election gold' for the Tories, because they know millions of young people are really angry they can't get a council house and can't buy a home.
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  268.  @petermartin4142  When Tony Blair became prime minister the nominall UK house price was £50K - when Tony Blair left office the nominall UK house price was £180K...
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  269. I listened to all of this and found myself agreeing with all of it - I expect you're thinking I'm above average intelligence...
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  270. Your hairdresser should have realised he couldn't cut hair any longer and retired years ago.
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  271.  @swanpride  Why should the UK being an independent country mean inferior standards? You seem to think people from the rest of of Europe are morally superior to people from the UK. What is your evidence for this?
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  272.  @swanpride  I don't know what these Brexit 'lower standards' are supposed to be. I have been to EU countries and I have been to USA, Canada, Australia - I would say standards are worse in EU countries.
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  273. We need to assist in the deaths of hundreds of thousands and prolong the destruction of people's homes and infrastructure to help the Ukraine people to regain sovereignty of the Donbas and Crimea where Russia speaking people have twice voted for independence from Ukraine people in order for Ukraine people to hand Ukraine sovereignty and the sovereignty of the Donbas and Crimea people to the European Union. Am I getting this right? Slobo Ukrany! Tanks! Guns! Bombs! Planes! Death! Destruction! I am right aren't I - the BBC says so....
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  274.  @franklingoodwin  UK decimalisation happened in 1971, twenty two years before the UK people were joined to the EU and there was high inflation in the UK before the UK people were joined the EU. This does not alter the fact that, before the UK people were joined to the EU, a single unskilled UK wage (before in-work benefits were introduced) could keep a family and buy a home. So, I ask the question: 'In what way did being in the EU make us better off?'
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  275.  @himoffthequakeroatbox4320  Typical 'remoaner invention and lies' - there was no 'confirmatory vote' in 1979 for the UK to join the EU - the UK was joined to the EU in 1993, as a direct consequence of the 1992 Maastricht Treaty coming into effect. There was no 'UK referendum' on the UK joining the EU - it was an undemocratic imposition on the UK people. Remoaners claim Leave voters are 'old type people' - well how many more 'old type people' would have been alive in 1992?
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  276.  @mogznwaz  You must laugh yourself to sleep thinking about your great victory over foolish Brexiteers like me...
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  277. "The euro area is facing a cost-of-living crisis. An increasing proportion of people’s income is being spent on essential purchases, such as food and energy. At the same time, price pressures are broadening and nominal wages are not keeping pace with rising prices. The result is a marked loss in people’s purchasing power and a decline in the labour share of income, which is the share of total income paid to workers as wages, salaries and other benefits." (European Central Bank 30 Sep 2022)
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  278. The inherent problem with this show trial is it's being decided on political/personal grounds not evidence - if you like/want Boris, he is innocent, if you don't like/want Boris, he is guilty. It's the same sort of propaganda fueled hate (we couldn't see our dying relatives) 'justice' meted out by The People's Court in 1930s/40s Germany.
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  279. I was half expecting O'Brien to start biting his toenails..
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  280. As a condition of being a member of the EU the UK government had to force all UK citizens to pay VAT on almost all consumer goods. This tax is currently 20% that the UK government needs to charge to pay the EU the huge amounts it demands for so-called 'EU free-trade'. Prior to this UK citizens paid a Purchase Tax which was mainly levied on luxury goods. In Australia where they operate under WTO trading arrangements businesses pay for imports and exports the Australian consumer pays Sales Tax at only 10% (half of what UK consumers are currently forced to pay for EU styled 'EU free-trade')... Why not give the little guy a break for once?
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  281.  @Arsenic71  Yes, everyone already knows the UK government set the UK higher rate of VAT at 20% - what's your point supposed to be?
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  282.  @IMBlakeley The alleged wrongdoing is not declaring the property as a taxable asset. If she had told HMRC the property was not her main home, then she might have been able to use the cost of improvements to lower the amount of taxable profit. The police investigation has a 'public interest' aspect, because AR is an elected MP who holds a 'position of public trust'. She says she has done nothing wrong so the police investigation should exonerate her.
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  283.  @bluegec8721  Wow! Did you tell the police yet?
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  284.  @katrinabryce  Obviously 'capital gains tax' is paid on money gained and money spent is not money gained. The issue here is should AR have declared the property as being subject to tax on any sale profit. A married couple can only claim one property as being exempt from tax.
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  285.  @annepoitrineau5650  Please tell, what foreign land whence you came did not know class prejudice?
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  286.  @annepoitrineau5650  Not sure a UK private education would 'entitle' a person to be in UK government. Yes, privately educated people get into politics, but this is true in most countries. The leader of the Swiss government went to Spiritus Sanctus College in Brig which is a prestigious and expensive private school.
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  287. The propaganda campaign the UK people were subjected to following the referendum was based on the false accusation that Leave had lied. The idea was that people had been 'tricked' into voting to leave the EU when they had really wanted to stay in the EU. Part of this propaganda was getting Remain voters to falsely claim they had voted for Leave, but now realised they had been lied to. Remember sweet/innocent Will? If some people believe the clever people have changed their minds - enough might change their minds. The reality is that Leave did not lie - the lie was 'that Leave lied'. Remoaners cannot cite a single Leave statement verbatim and prove it to be a false statement. They just keep repeating that 'Leave lied' and making duplicitous explanations. The simple truth is as follows: Leave was the 'high-risk' option and Remain was the 'safe' option. Therefore, of those voters who were in 'two-minds' (perhaps 50%) a much higher percentage would have opted for the 'safe' Remain option. More of these people are more likely to now think 'I wish I'd voted Leave now' than 'I'm glad I was on the losing side'.
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  288. This is not the way our 'news' media should be dealing with the prime minister we elected - this has been a relentless witch-hunt by angry remoaners. All about Brexit and nothing else.
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  289. Join the Labour march in July to reduce warm weather state pension...
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  290. The big flop was the UK in EU! We wasted of half a century of alternative opportunities following a few hundred MPs who wasted hundreds of billions on their vision which the people never shared. They were warned, but they thought they knew better and that people were theirs to manipulate.
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  291. Starmer is lying to the British people, because he is promising he will not join the EU, but he is not saying what 'sovereignty' future he really wants for the UK. Labour is the only party with a fundamentally dishonest manifesto.
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  292. It's looking like Tory party will make a pact with Reform not to stand against each other in any seat and run on a shared policy to leave the ECHR and stop the boats. So the GE will be made all about immigration.
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  293. She's probably correct about Tory supporters lying to polls and not voting in by-elections. It's how these people show dissatisfaction with government policy - doesn't mean they want a Labour government instead. Reform is a problem, but the Tories get this - so will likely make a pact not to stand against each other in any seat and both run on leaving the ECHR to 'stop the boats'.
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  294. Anyone see the National Rejoin March? Did they give out the wrong date?
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  295. Does look like she made a false declaration to evade paying tax though...
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  296.  @csharpe5787  Says a lot of people and journalists are allowed to challenge Bojo's tax affairs...
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  297. O'Brien is a complete liar - he says the GFA somehow states there must be an open border - it does nothing of the sort.
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  298. What's wrong with this country? We had a revolution and expected the same leaders to do it...
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  299.  @iangascoigne8231  Some people just cannot get the importance of a paper hat.
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  300. Remember the Brexit referendum in 2016? Google: 'Which side did the Conservative Party support in the Brexit referendum?' Now research how many current Conservative MPs supported Remain in the Brexit referendum.
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  301.  @burjbuilder  Are you a bit thick? Farage and Tice have not had any opportunity to deliver any form of Brexit. I would like a UK parliament made up of MPs loyal to the UK. The obvious problem is we have around 10% electorate support for a UK in a federal Europe and around 80% of MPs wanting the UK in a federal Europe. There were no lies on the Leave side. If you somehow think so, then cite any Leave statement verbatim and explain with evidence why you believe it to be a lie. For clarity, 'a lie' is knowingly false statement intended to mislead. An example of 'a lie' would be "We will not join the euro" when it was the known ambition of those campaigning for a Remain win to join the UK to the euro...
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  302. How do I keep getting on the weird part of YouTube?
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  303. The clapper mechanism was working on New Year's Eve and it was common knowledge the people wanted it for Brexit - so clearly something smelly going on. No worries - the people will crowdfund in hours.
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  304. Say, a Tory voting woman living in a council house begins a relationship with a Tory voting man who owns his own house and they decide to live together in the man's house and marry and have children - should the Tory couple give up the council house or buy the council house to rent it out and sell for profit as soon as the conditions allow?
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  305.  @davidcolin6519  Well, not declaring the house you are living in as being your principal residence and then claiming principal residence tax relief on the sale of a house you are not living in - is not permitted. I think the selling of council homes was wrong for many reasons, if it was up to me I would have built new private housing estates, and offered council tenants an incentive discount for giving up their council houses. Not saying I have a problem with anyone buying their council house, because it's natural to take advantage of a beneficial (legal) opportunity. However, It is different for Ms Rayner MP, because she has taken a moral stand against tax avoidance/evasion and has blamed council house sales for reducing much needed social housing. So, as an elected MP she is looking a tad hypocritical and voters have a right to know the facts.
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  306. You shouldn't assume every non Tory politician is against the Tories - in 2010 the Lib Dems put the Tories in power and then sold off the people's Post Office.
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  307. The riots are not the answer - we have to wake up and stop voting for the people responsible.
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  308. What's 'Bregsit' - is it a made up silly sounding word intended to mock Brexit?
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  309. If people don't want fame they shouldn't pursue it. Meghan produces her own publicity to make herself famous and rich and does not complain about publicity which helps her be famous and rich. Why should everyone love her? Clarkson related his hatred for Meghan to a fictitious TV show - just like Meghan related her lack of respect for Queen Elizabeth to a fictitious theme park.
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  310. Have you listened to O'Brien lately? He's still going on about Brexit - probably was on that national rejoin march with the other 500 idiots...
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  311. They're all in it together. If they elect a light blue leader they lose voters to Reform, If they elect a dark blue leader they hope to take voters from Reform. The long-term objective is preventing pro-UK independence people getting into parliament. If the Tories win at the next GE they can forget all the dark blue stuff they promised the voters. Probably WEF/Brussels directing strategy...
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  312. You think kangaroo show trials removing the people who get the most votes is improving standards? Whether you agree or disagree with policies - it's a bit of a coincidence the two most popular politicians (Johnson and Corbyn) have been pushed out of politics...
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  313. MPs are a weird bunch - just look at Brexit - they got us into this mess and after the people have ended it - most MPs still want to go backwards...
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  314. There were no lies on the Leave side. If you somehow think so, then cite any Leave statement verbatim and explain with evidence why you believe it to be 'a lie'. For clarity, 'a lie' is a 'knowingly false statement intended to mislead'. An example of 'a lie' would be "We will not join the euro" (UK Gov referendum leaflet) when it was the known ambition of those campaigning for a Remain win to join the UK to the euro...
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  315.  @jamesarnold7253  Is your argument that, had the UK people been allowed to vote on joining the EU in 1993 (when many more of what you refer to as 'old people' were alive), the Brexit majoity would have been much greater than it was in 2016?
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  316.  @jamesarnold7253  What are you going to put on your rejoin bus - 'Let's Give The EU £30 Billion A Year And Join The Euro' LOL!!
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  317.  @leod-sigefast  Why do people wave the EU flag (Star Spangled Sphincter)?
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  318.  @philthrelfall5294  The Leave campaign did not make any promises. The 2016 referendum was not a general election - neither side had a manifesto of policies. The big problem has been those who campaigned for a new political future and won the support of the people were not given the opportunity to deliver that future.
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  319.  @BoyeeSmudger  The EU is a dictatorship - you can tell this by the smug grins on the leader's faces. There is no true democracy, because there are 27 nations with different domestic news and languages. Meanwhile the EU goes unscrutinised by those it rules over.
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  320.  @ellaj8912  Who's 'they'? It's not those that campaigned to leave the EU - is it?
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  321.  @ellaj8912  Yep, I think 'this' and 'they' are political terms too explicit for me to understand...
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  322.  @ellaj8912  You actually think 'this' and 'they' are 'explicit political terms' LOL!
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  323.  @ellaj8912  How's the 'people's vote' going?
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  324. We shouldn't forget that most of our MPs now were the movers and shakers responsible for giving our country to the EU. Things are not going to get better until we do what countries like Australia do and only give power to people who are loyal to our country.
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  325. If she cannot be trusted with such a trivial amount how can she be trusted with a government office?
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  326. The country was also told the UK would never join the euro - does James OBrien believe the UK should be in the eurozone inline with the EU's single currency policy? He didn't mention anything about this during the referendum - maybe he was going to say something after everyone had voted...
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  327. This has nothing to do with Brexit! If Cameron had won the referendum and had a birthday cake - exactly the same thing would have happened - it's about 'justice'...
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  328. As a condition of being a member of the EU the UK government had to force all UK citizens to pay VAT on almost all consumer goods. This tax is currently 20% that the UK government needs to charge to pay the EU the huge amounts it demands for so-called 'EU free-trade'. Prior to this UK citizens paid a Purchase Tax which was mainly levied on luxury goods. In Australia where they operate under WTO trading arrangements businesses pay for imports and exports the Australian consumer pays Sales Tax at only 10% (half of what UK consumers are currently forced to pay for EU styled 'EU free-trade')... Why not give the little guy a break for once?
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  329.  @shugd3  Really? So, how did UK 'help write' the EEC VAT laws prior to the UK being a member of the EEC? Anyway, that's not my point - my point is before joining the EEC UK sales tax was levied on luxury goods, so the poor were not affected. The EEC VAT introduced as a condition of the UK joining the EEC was levied on basic goods that the poor needed and were forced to pay tax on. How can you justify the poor having to pay 20% (min 15%) tax on basic goods and claim this is a feature of a 'free trade' domain? As I have pointed out Australia is 10% and USA is average 6.25%. You might not think about it, but many people would prefer not to have to pay £1 extra on a £5 item, because they need to feed their children.
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  330.  @shugd3  As I have explained the UK government needs to charge 20% VAT to meet its spending commitments which includes have to pay the EU £billions each year for 'free' trade paid for by the UK poor. And as you know - we were talking about the introduction of UK VAT within the context of the UK joining the EEC in 1973/4 - so the UK could not have 'helped write' the EEC VAT legislation.
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  331. The problem with Tories is they don't care about anyone other than themselves. They pretend helping someone is immoral while existing in a bubble made out of their parent's money.
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  332.  @perrymason866  She married in 2010 so, assuming she'd been in a relationship for a few years prior and planning marriage, they might have thought to buy the council house in 2007 (end of?) rather than give it up. It was bought for around 70k which is a hefty mortgage to get on a single unskilled wage. 50k is a sizable amount of return and she had hoped to sell for more, as the house was on the market for some time (2 years?) and the asking price reduced. There is a time limit imposed on selling a council house and keeping all of any profit, which I think is 5 years, so it all adds up.
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  333.  @perrymason866  End of 2007 to beginning 2015 taking 1+ years to sell = 'soon as', but in using the term I didn't mean to the day. Not seeing anything 'falling apart' here. Looks like an obvious scenario to me. The picture is that of a hypocrite pointing the finger at people for not paying wealth tax and not paying wealth tax at the first occasion she should've done so. Also, buying a council house she did not need just to sell for profit and trying to stop others owning just one home: Ms Rayner said: "that as things stand, the balance isn’t quite right in terms of how long a council or social housing tenant has been in their home before they can use Right to Buy, how much of a discount they can get and the state’s ability to replace the homes that are sold off through the scheme." Ms Rayner noted that: “in recent years there have been years where we have sold off more social and council homes than we have built”.
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  334.  @perrymason866  I was saying she put it on the market 'as soon as' she could sell and keep all the profit - obviously it takes time to find a buyer and it appears she had to drop her high asking price. The thing about it 'only being £1500' - at what point do you think she would have declared the tax liability?
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  335.  @perrymason866  Personally, I have some sympathy for her as it was most likely all her husband's idea. The thing is this notion the Tories are worse, because they have more money and dodge bigger amounts doesn't really work. If it is shown to be the case she bought the house when she did not need it and then lied about where she was living to dodge paying tax on the profit - she's going to look like a hypocrite.
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  336. The big fraud was the UK in EU! We wasted of half a century of alternative opportunities following a few hundred MPs who wasted hundreds of billions on their plan which the people never shared. They were warned, but they thought they knew better and that people were theirs to manipulate.
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  337. I think EM would've asked his legal team before making it public - so, if it's genuine, there must be a way of doing it.
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  338. Starmer looked weak - apparently his dad was a toolmaker...
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  339. The right got us into the EEC without a referendum when the left opposed and the right got us into the EU without a referendum. The left offered us Brexit in 1983 but the right called that 'the longest suicide note in history'. Really, it was because the right took us deeper into political union that the left became pro-EU. In the end all this wasted opportunity to have done things differently and wasted money is down to the right... Oh, and many on the left voted for Brexit.
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  340. I think they mean the BBC is funded by Government and has a duty to be non-political.
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  341.  @shaunprice3219  You don't mean 17.4 million people are silly - you're just angry you could not fool enough silly people with project fear - you should be content you managed to fool most silly people. Time to understand you're not more intelligent than the UK electorate and the UK electorate doesn't want to take orders from you.
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  342.  @NeilCWCampbell  It's Remain voting MPs that have implemented Brexit. The people who campaigned for Brexit and won the democratic support of the people have not had a fair chance in power to deliver. Perhaps the small village sized minority of MPs responsible for taking the UK down this EEC/EU path, should pay for the hundreds of billions in wasted UK money and the five decades of wasted alternative opportunities. They were told in the 1970s the people of the UK would ultimately never succumb to being part of a federal Europe.
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  343. 'Empty supermarket shelves' - supermarket shelves full 'shortage of essential medicines' - no shortage of medicines ''planes grounded' - no planes grounded 'emergency budget' - no emergency budget 'job losses' - more jobs 'Nissan moving out of UK' - Nissan staying in UK....
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  344. Google what thirty thousand people looks like then Google images of Gaza casualties...
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  345. Apart from calling Jewish hostages in desperate circumstances 'sausages' he didn't make any mistakes...
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  346. Are you saying if Angela had made more profit she would have declared it to HMRC?
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  347.  @beaudog639  And saying she's against selling council homes, because they're needed and not replaced - then buying one at discount - selling it because she's got another home - and dodging paying tax on the £50K profits - is not hypocrisy?
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  348.  @beaudog639  Thing is - you say 'a billionaire who's avoided £20m of tax' but avoiding tax is not illegal. Making a false declaration about your primary residence so as not to pay tax - is evasion which is illegal. Yes, she could have made an innocent mistake - but the opportunity to apologise and pay the money has gone.
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  349.  @beaudog639  When you sell a property in the UK you must pay tax on any profit unless you declare the property was your home for which there is tax relief. No one is pretending AR did not make such a declaration on the sale of the house. There appears to be substantial evidence AR was actually living at a different property with her husband and children and was letting the sold house to her brother. I don't think you have to be very clever to understand the forms. The argument it is somehow more moral to steal a small amount of money, because others are stealing more money, rests on the assumption that, given the opportunity to steal more money, some thieves will steal less money. AR's problem is she is in public office making taxation laws, spending tax money and being paid by the taxpayers.
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  350.  @beaudog639  The only people pretending are AR pretending she lived in a house when evidence shows she was living in a different house and those pretending they would not be complaining had a Tory MP done the exact same thing. Making a knowingly false declaration to evade paying tax is a criminal offence and this doesn't change, because some people like the Labour Party.
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  351.  @beaudog639  Where have I said I think it's OK for Tories to not pay tax? You are saying I think this, not me. Tax avoidance is legal, because it is based on how the law applies to a person's actual circumstances. Tax evasion is not legal and occurs when a person has given false information, where the person would have owed tax had they given true information. I have said AR could have said this was a mistake and paid the money, but she decided to insist she gave true information about her past home address, so, it's too late now to claim she made a mistake. The reason I don't believe she was living at the house is neighbours are saying she lived with her husband at a different house and her brother lived at the house. I don't see any reason to think this is not the truth.
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  352. All this 'I voted for Brexit, but now I realise my mistake' is obvious pro-EU propaganda LOL! Because, Remain was the 'safe' option and Leave the 'risk' option - it's obvious that more of those in two-minds opted for the safe option.
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  353. She says she's against selling council homes, because they're needed and not replaced - then buys one at discount - sells it because she's got another home - and dodges paying tax on the £50K profits...
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  354.  @peterholden9357  What part of sovereignty being returned to parliament 'after' Brexit don't you get?
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  355. It made sense - let's not give taxpayer's money to the EU - let's use it to fund the NHS instead... Still makes sense.
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  356.  Zuurker U  It was and it wasn't £350 pw. The £350 pw figure was actually taken from EU documents. Agreed, the bus did not show the UK rebate, however, those urging the UK people to vote Remain did not want the UK rebate. It was likely the EU would end the UK rebate and the UK choosing to stay in the EU would have been a green light for this. The UK government leaflet asking the UK people to vote Remain stated "this decision will affect you and your family for decades to come" it was correct that voters looked to the future. All of this and the other points you made were able to be discussed during the extensive campaign period - voters had heard it all from both sides before deciding which way to vote.
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  357. I wrote a poem about Andrew Marr: Andrew Marr thought he was clever But, his sneaky plan for the rest of us Just ain't happening, no not ever All thanks to Boris and his big red bus
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  358. I think you really mean 'twenty eight nation Tories'...
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  359. Basically - French causing hold-up so remoaner twits in the UK media can blame Brexit and Tory members vote for least pro-Brexit PM - probably wont work like everything else remoaners try.
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  360. "Most scientists say..." Since when was science a democracy?
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  361. What's the point of this? Does he not understand the people now accept Brexit and want to get on with it? The likelihood of a political party with 'let's have a referendum on re-joining the EU' in its manifesto winning the next general election and then winning that referendum is at best zero. The people of the UK are now an independent nation. We pay our MPs to make decisions based on what is best for the UK, first and foremost. if O'Brien doesn't like it - he should go live somewhere else.
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  362.  @dcpayne5264  I don't see why you believe the red bus was a lie. The 'lie' was that the red bus was a lie which came after the vote as part of the propaganda campaign to get a second referendum.
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  363.  @KeithGadget  What promise do you believe the red bus made that you believe was a lie?
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  364.  @jillmortlock8439  Nobody is saying the bus never existed Jill - it was on the news in the UK too.
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  365.  @jillmortlock8439  I don't see any issue about people seeing the bus, as the bus did not lie. I would rather UK money be used to fund the NHS than be sent to the EU.
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  366.  @TheManwithaview  What actual planet are you living on? Was Remain the safe option? Because people like you said it most definitely was. Was Leave the high-risk option? Because people like you said it most definitely was. So, do you suppose more of those in two-minds took the safe option or the high-risk option? I'm going to guess that more of those in two-minds went for Remain which; because Brexit has seen no noticeable negative impact on people's lives, means many more Remain voters would now change their vote than Leave voters would change their vote. In fact, there's no reason why a Leave voter would change their vote. However, there is reason why a Remain voter would pretend to regret voting Leave.
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  367.  @TheManwithaview OK! So, you live on a planet where fishermen, farmers, cheese and wine exporters are going out of business - I don't live on that planet.
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  368.  @Psycownage  Really? Is that why it isn't in the mainstream news? Some farmers and some fishermen have experienced some minor problems that will get sorted - hardly reason for giving up sovereignty. These issues are blown-up by pro-EU media outlets 'propaganda'.
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  369.  @jillmortlock8439  Yes, I do remember the UK before it joined the EU in 1993 and before it joined the EEC in 1973. And yes I voted for Brexit.
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  370.  @KeithGadget  I would argue that no promise was made by the red bus. 'Let's fund the NHS instead' is a suggestion or proposal - not a promise. The lie is the 'extra money for the NHS' added by pro-EU propagandists. If I decide to cancel my golf club membership and use the saved money to buy groceries 'instead' - it doesn't follow that I have to spend more on groceries, but I am better off if I no longer want play golf.
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  371.  @michellebrown4903  Really, the 'leaving deal' was negotiated by UK Remainers with the objective of holding a second referendum and either not leaving or staying connected to make 'back-door' re-entry possible. The Brexiteers are now in control of the Tory Party and Labour MPs are hamstrung by the fact the nation will not vote to re-join. It seems probable Boris will be PM with working majority for the next decade - so UK will gradually adopt a hard Brexit. And yes, the EU does want to sell in the UK market - as do most other non-EU countries.
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  372.  @michellebrown4903  Not blaming 'Remain' at all. Remain was a political campaign organisation that failed in the way I hoped it would. I blamed 'Remainers' that were people (some in positions of power) who refused to accept democracy because they had not won. All I said about the EU was that it wanted to sell goods in the UK market - so hardly 'blaming' for anything. You appear very 'right' when you invent a false position for your opponent. I suspect you enjoy feeling you are 'right' - am I right?
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  373.  @TheManwithaview  People voting differently to you is not fraud...
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  374.  @GPR111  Well, what do you call a minority of politicians craftily removing UK sovereignty and UK independence from the UK people? If we'd wanted to be in the EU we wouldn't have voted to leave at the first opportunity.
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  375. In a Brexit future, any money that would have gone to the EU will be used to fund the NHS instead - which is precisely what the bus said.
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  376. Yes, but 'living life like poor person' doesn't make a person less greedy, more concerned about others or give a person the ability to deal with complex issues. The reason the Tories have attacked her is because it looks like she and her husband bought and sold two council houses and dodged paying tax on the profit. Now she's going about saying councils have been selling houses too cheap. The Tories know millions of young people are very angry they cannot get a council home or get on the housing ladder - so this story is 'election gold' for the Tories.
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  377. The people of this country need to wake up to what just happened. We voted 'no-confidence' in our political establishment - told them they had been taking us in the wrong direction, wasted half a century of valid opportunities, wasted hundreds of billions of our money and created failure we don't want or deserve. But, what have we done since? We have asked the same people to put it right. This is madness on our part! It was a revolution and so far we have 'flashed in the pan'. The decent thing for those MPs/Lords who supported Remain was to resign - their minority vision and loyalty to foreign power was rejected - but they are not decent people and we are fools to be allowing them to shape our destiny.
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  378. I think the next general election will be more about Jimmy Savile than anything else...
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  379. Metropolitan Police have been unable to provide an official estimate for number of attendees at last year's National Rejoin March, because they couldn't find it.
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  380. WTO terms is a 'trade deal' - just not a so called 'free trade deal'. As a condition of being a member of the EEC/EU the UK government had to force all UK citizens to pay VAT on almost all consumer goods. This tax is currently 20% that the UK government needs to charge to pay the EU the huge amounts it demands for so-called 'EU free-trade'. Prior to this UK citizens paid a Purchase Tax which was mainly levied on luxury goods. In Australia they operate under WTO trading arrangements and businesses pay for imports and exports and the Australian consumer pays Sales Tax at only 10% (half of what UK consumers are currently forced to pay for EU styled 'EU free-trade')... Why not give the little guy a break for once?
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  381. Conservative Party MPs cannot be trusted on UK independence from Brussels. We need a UK party that fiercely defends UK independence - everything is about 'vision'...
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  382. Isn't 'the GE' about 'sovereignty?
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  383.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  Being 'charged with a crime' doesn't mean a person has broken the law. We do still have a justice system in which a person can plead not guilty. It worries me the way some Labour supporters think...
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  384.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  I am concerned any MP has lied to evade paying tax. The amount is immaterial - if it wasn't much, why didn't she tell the truth and pay it? Are you suggesting had it been double, she would have told the truth and paid it - or at what amount would you say she would have told the truth and paid it? What is your source for the police not investigating and as you say AR being "cleared"? Last I heard the police were reviewing a decision not to take the matter further. Your remarks about a male MP's private parts are not relevant to the discussion about whether or not AR committed tax evasion.
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  385.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  Well you obviously don't 'see', because I am saying the alleged amount evaded by Rayner is very relevant indeed. The Zahawi case is entirely different. As I understand, he sold a company and HMRC contacted the professionals dealing with the CGT and identified one or more mistake. HMRC then imposed a penalty to ensure the correct CGT was paid and Zahawi was more careful in future and this was immediately paid in full. This is hardly a 'news story', because wealthy people are always in 'talks' with HMRC over their tax submissions/liabilities. It's quite normal and lawful to employ accountants to pay as little tax as possible. So, there has been no suggestion of any crime or wrongdoing by Zahawi. He is not as you have stated: "like zahawi, who is actually provably guilty of dodging about 10,000% more..." The big difference is the main allegation against Rayner is that, she knowingly declared false information with the clear purpose of not having to pay CTG. This in itself is a serious offence.
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  386.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  There's no evidence of Zahawi having committed any crime or having dodged paying any tax. It appears he hired professionals to keep his tax bill as low as possible and HMRC then disagreed with these professionals, imposed a penalty (probably to pay for HMRC costs) and helped the professionals identify the correct CGT liability. Clearly, it was a valuable company with complex issues surrounding owner tax liabilities. If you research a left-wing newspaper you should get the same story. It must be fun living in a world where you believe your own delusional fantasies. I'm concerned you actually believe people who vote Conservative cannot think for themselves. Why would anyone believe this?
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  387.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  I actually said, Zahawi employed professionals to minimise his tax bill; was found to have done something wrong, for which he agreed to pay a penalty and pay the correct tax. That was the end of the matter and no further action was taken, so Zahawi is innocent of any criminal offence. Your claim, he was "fined over £3 million" is incorrect.. I actually said, Rayner is in a different position, (given she was living with her husband at a property which constituted the couple's primary residence), because she is refusing to accept responsibility for declared information being wrong and refusing to pay the CGT. So, at this point it amounts to wilful evasion of lawful taxation. I also said, the police were reviewing a decision not to take the matter further. So your 'summary' is really your 'strawman'.
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  388.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  He wasn't given a 'fine' he was offered to pay a 'penalty' and to pay the correct tax. In the grown-up world we have different words for different things.
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  389.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  Anything to say about today's decision by Police to investigate Angela over false declaration of main residence?
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  390.  @ignoranceisbliss6259  "take no further action" doesn't mean 'done nothing wrong'....
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  391. That would be too much like The Garden of Eden for Satan's liking...
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  392. Trump will not need to make any such claim. Millions of religious voters will be convinced Trump was saved to be the next president.
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  393. "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member" (Groucho Marx)
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  394. It's the EU that has caused this. Before the UK joined the EU a single unskilled wage could keep a family (without in-work benefits) and even buy a home. We have had pro-EU politicians in power for decades imposing the EU's policies. They get what they want and what is, is what they wanted.
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  395.  @joshbates9015  I am living in the real world in which most UK MPs are committed EU activists determined to make an independent UK look like a mess to please their true masters.
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  396. "With your rescue dog" - don't old back on the virtue-signalling lol!
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  397. The inherent problem with this show trial is it's being decided on political/personal grounds not evidence - if you want/like Boris, he is innocent, if you don't want/like Boris, he is guilty. It's the same sort of propaganda fueled ('people couldn't visit dying relatives') 'justice' meted out by The People's Court in 1930s/40s Germany.
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  398. There are 'thousands' of Brits in every major city in the world and there are Brits on every skiing resort in the world including the Swiss Alps which are not in the EU. So, what has this got to do with the UK being in the EU? The simple fact is there are estimated three million EU27 nationals in the UK pushing UK nationals out of jobs and around a million UK nationals in the EU27 - most of these people are retired and creating employment by spending their UK pensions and savings there.
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  399. Yes, it's a bit easier to travel with free movement, but there are ski resorts in North America and Brits go to these resorts too (with a thing called a 'visa'). "We need immigration" well, perhaps we do, but we do have a serious unemployment problem, so that must be a reason for stopping uncontrolled unskilled immigration. Why will we only have to look to other countries? The idea of Brexit is that, the UK government will be making all UK law and therefore will be able to allow people from anywhere to live and work in the UK if this is beneficial to the UK. Are you saying the EU will not allow EU citizens to live and work in the UK? You appear to be arguing that, after Brexit there will be more UK job vacancies and less opportunity for Brits... Which doesn't make sense.
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  400. You said it - worse off than previous generations - when we were not in the EU. Before we were joined to the EU a single unskilled wage could keep a family and buy a house and we were only taxed on spending when we bought luxury goods. After almost half a century of EU, both parents have to work and claim benefits to feed and clothe the kids, we cannot dream of buying a home and have to pay VAT on almost everything we buy. No wonder we voted to leave at the first opportunity.
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  401. I don't know if you've ever been to North America, but when I first went (in 2000) I went into a petrol station and paid to have my mate's car filled up (you have to pay first over there) the guy charged me 15 dollars which was around 8 quid at the time. I thought he had made a mistake, but my mate said that's right I've filled it up. He was living there and earning 20 dollars an hour painting houses, so could fill his car with petrol for less than an hour's pay. I was in Australia last summer and it costs around 50 dollars to fill a car - that's 2 hours pay flipping burgers. In the UK it costs more than a day's pay at minimum wage to fill a car with petrol. I don't understand why you seem to think this is so great.
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  402. So, we have two former party leaders being ousted from UK politics - I wonder who these anti-EU UK politicians could have annoyed?
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  403. Labour MPs deserve sympathy for being victimised by members and the working class over privatisation and Brexit.
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  404.  @handarokadath1515  At 9am? I did go to bed after I wrote the comment - I read remoaner comments to help me sleep..
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  405. Was Angela Rayner and Sam Tarry representing their constituents when they were living it up FOC in Lord Alli's New York penthouse - or is that different?
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  406.  @paw7110  Brexit was the only reason Labour lost. In simple terms: In 2015 GE 4m voted UKIP. In 2016 ref 5m Lab voters voted Leave. In 2017 GE Tories believed the 2015 GE UKIP vote would go Tory, but it went 50/50 Lab/Con. In 2018 half of that 2015 GE UKIP vote realised Lab was against Brexit and in 2019 1m Lab 2016 Leave voters agreed. This makes up the drop of 3m in the Labour vote at the 2019 GE. If you like I will point you to my comments saying exactly this before the 2019 GE.
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  407.  @paw7110  You have me there! There's not going to be a stat to accurately explain your vote without some more information. I would say this: In 2017, when people believed MPs would have to deliver Brexit, Corbyn came very close to winning with a very similar left-wing agenda. The only thing that changed was Labour MPs began opposing Brexit.
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  408.  @MarkFarm  me to!
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  409. Why can't starmer buy his own clothes like we have to?
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  410. 52% after decades of membership, hundreds of billions of £s and the whole political establishment/news media/financial institutions/business institutions/celebrity class contributing to a propaganda fear campaign on the British people... Just imagine what the result would have been if we had been told the truth. Massive lies like: "We will not join the euro" in a UK government leaflet sent to our homes at a cost of £10m (over the fair spend rules)... Of course people like Heseltine, Blair, Adonis, Branson, Starmer, Clarke and the rest were opposed to the EU's single currency policy.
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  411. I can see a lot of Brits wanting Mr Lammy as the UK's foreign secretary.
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  412. Somehow - I don't think Rishi will be giving Boris an excuse to join Reform UK....
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  413. This 'pro-Brexit' term is a bit odd, as it's no different to saying 'pro-independent UK' which is what political figures should be given the UK is an independent country. Perhaps, O'Brien thinks 'anti-UK' people should be appointed to the House of Lords...
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  414. As an Englishman and UK citizen I demand Micheal Martin resigns with immediate effect.
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  415.  @CerdicTheGreat  Yep! Well, more your 'sarcasm' really - it is directed at 'Max' who is a citizen of Southern Ireland and appears to have devoted his entire life to denigrating the elected prime minister of the United Kingdom.
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  416.  @tomellis4324  Allow me to explain; I as a UK citizen would not be so presumptuous as to set up a YouTube channel with sole purpose to incessantly berate Taoiseach Micheal Martin and his government, because that would be very disrespectful to the nation he and his government represents. I made a single 'tongue in cheek' comment to that effect, and already many (including yourself) have clearly found such conduct deplorable, which serves to make my intended point in a nonpartisan way.
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  417.  @tomellis4324  Isn't that like saying: It's OK for Joe to insult his brother's wife, because he used to insult her before she married him? The Brexit issue is settled in the UK, so we really don't need someone from another country attempting to create dissent against the democratic will of the UK people and the democratically elected UK government. The UK is a democracy, with fair elections. There were no 'inaccuracies' on the red bus. The figure used on the red bus was an official EU figure taken from an official EU document - the UK people were allowed to see it. The Remain side had ample opportunity to question anything the Leave side said and the UK people are able to understand such matters. As for the NHS - of course any money not sent to the EU would be used to 'fund' the NHS 'instead'. On that note; the NHS is an entirely free healthcare service - perhaps Max should direct his efforts toward achieving this in his own country.
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  418.  @tomellis4324  What has the UK leaving the EU got to do with peace process? Why should the UK not being in the EU prevent peace or rather cause one side to perpetrate violence?
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  419.  @tomellis4324  I can't really talk about what happened in Ireland 100+ years ago. Though, my grandfather and his brother were living in Dublin at that time. We are somewhat limited in scope on here - what next 'The Great Famine'?
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  420.  @tomellis4324  This is your true motivation: Hatred of the English and any foul means to get Northern Ireland out of the UK - you thought the UK's membership of the EU would bring this by the back door. The simple answer to your 'peace process' point, is despite your side's false assertions to the contrary, the Belfast Agreement states nothing about the border and nothing about trade between the UK and EU.
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  421.  @ClannCholmain  My grandfather and grand uncle were English stationed at the Royal Hibernian Military School for orphans of British soldiers.
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  422.  @ClannCholmain  Are we playing 'orphan trumps' now? When are people like you going to understand that other people can suffer hardship too? Perhaps the Native Americans whose homelands were taken from them by the displaced Irish you lament when it suits. Of course, when 'quaint' 'harmless' Irish people go takeover other people's countries they build a museum in Dublin to celebrate. What? You think the impoverished indigenous peoples of America, Australia, New Zealand want to watch St Patrick's Day parades?
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  423.  @tomellis4324  Laws do change - 'The Act of Union' was law and the Irish government signed it. I'm going to take a guess that, you think that law should have changed - yet we both know some would prefer it did not and I hope you will accept that everybody should be able to have a political opinion. Yes, I already know the vast majority of Irish people get along with English people - sadly, there are some that hate the English. The 'back door' is easy. In the early 70s when ROI and UK were joining the EEC those 'English haters' opposed 'further' union with the English and anyone else. However, over time they began to realise that a federal Europe would gradually destroy English/UK sovereignty, a Single Market and Customs Union would erode the Irish border, UK adopting euro and single currency would be a massive step toward a united Ireland. And the island of Ireland would be able to gain financial support from the wealthy EEC/EU countries that included the English and get to vote against English MEPs in a parliament. Also, ROI and some NI MEPs could complain to other members about their 'oppression' at the hands of the English. In short - they believed all this would lead to the UK being forced to give up on Northern Ireland. And this is why some Irish are so rattled by the UK leaving the EU. The GFA (if you prefer) and threat of republican violence was used (erroneously) by Remainers in EU and UK governments as a propaganda fear weapon to achieve another UK referendum to prevent Brexit/hard Brexit. Like I said, the GFA does not say anything about the border or trade. There's no reason why EU/UK trade could not be regulated over the Irish border. The GFA accepts ROI and NI are separate countries and it is quite normal and accepted practice for separate countries to regulate trade. The CTA is not affected by this.
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  424.  @fredplat467  I'm guessing you're not keen on having an actual argument...
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  425.  @davidfaraday7963  The Belfast Agreement provided for the removal of 'security installations' as quickly as was safely possible. These were military/police strongholds that were mostly not situated on the border, they did not carry out customs checks on goods or check passports/issue visas. They had nothing to do with the Irish border and have nothing to do with the context the border is being discussed today.
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  426.  @tomellis4324  Perhaps, I could have used a better choice of words or even cited the actual text. It was agreed that, the 'security installations' would be removed as soon as the UK government believed it would responsible to do so. The 'security installations' were not 'border check points' they were not situated on the border, they were not operated by immigration or customs officials, they did not make checks on goods for customs purposes, they did not check visas or passport for immigration purposes. As I have said, the lie that 'A border between UK and EU would contravene the GFA' was part of a propaganda campaign intended to prevent Brexit. The Agreement recognises there are two separate countries with a border, which is why there's a section about a 'border' poll.
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  427.  @tomellis4324  Since, you are the one asserting the GFA states there will be no trade customs or immigration regulation over the internal Irish border; why not simply cite the parts of the text you are relying on?
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  428.  @tomellis4324  That is an exercise in sophistry and you know it. You are clutching at your own partial assurances, your own interpretations of your own claimed experiences, you replace legal text with your own chosen words, you conflate material fact with your own irrelevant inconsequential matters. It was all remoaner propaganda and it failed. Brexit isn't going to lead to the break-up of the United Kingdom. Brexit has made 'the change' greater and the greater the change the harder it is to persuade people to vote for it. I can see it 'got your tails up' but trust me - it was nothing but 'fake news'.
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  429.  @seang2700  Yes, there was no UK referendum to join the EEC - this was because those 'pro-EU lot' in power that wanted the UK to join the EEC did not want (opposed) a referendum. Then when a Labour government proposed a referendum, the 'pro-EU lot' did not want (opposed) that referendum. Then when the EEC became the much changed EU, there were those that wanted a referendum, but it did not happen, because the 'pro-EU lot in power did not want (opposed) it. the pro-EU lot were against (opposed) to Cameron committing a future Tory government to a referendum, Cameron had believed a likely Lib Dem coalition would prevent a referendum and had not wanted to agree (opposed) the referendum. Parliament reluctantly voted (opposed) for the 2016 referendum, because it would have appeared odd not to. The pro-EU lot had never asked for or facilitated a referendum; they had not wanted (opposed) the UK people having the say on 'Europe'. They only wanted the UK people to have a say (The People's Vote) after they had lost a referendum.
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  430. ​ @seang2700  Well, it appears you like to cheat at poker, because it's obvious you ask to 'see your opponent' and then dig around in the pack to improve your losing hand (You edited your comment). The problem for you is, I already had the best cards in the pack. If you really think those responsible for the UK being in the federal EU project had wanted the UK people to have a vote on it, then it's a waste of my time trying to educate you.
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  431.  @jeremygough1387 If you use your brain - Remain told everyone voting Leave was the 'high-risk' option - of those in two-minds on sovereignty (perhaps 10 - 20 million voters) a much higher percentage would have opted for status quo 'safe-option' Remain. Leave voters would have been more up for paying the higher cost of independence. This logically means of those in two-minds over sovereignty (the big issue) many more 'safe-option' Remain voters will have changed their mind than vice versa... Simples!
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  432. I don't think people like Ed Davey know what's coming down the road. Trump and Musk despise everything about them and don't believe they should have power.
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  433. Labour is getting played on this issue. The Tories are dragging it out to the next GE and are going to make it the big topic with a manifesto pledge to leave the ECHR. Labour will entrench itself deeper on the side of the immigrants, but floating voters will not see the complexities and will vote to 'stop the boats'.
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  434. What's the point of remoaning? The UK will not be re-joining the EU, because no UK politician will ever persuade the UK electorate to vote 'yes' in a re-join referendum. I really wish remoaners would jump off a cliff like they promised.
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  435. If you want me to believe that, then cite one Leave statement verbatim and demonstrate with factual evidence why it was a lie. A 'lie' being a 'A knowingly false statement made to deceive'.
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  436.  @celticminstrel8252  I do and they tell me they are pleased and optimistic for the future.
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  437. Get real! The tax you pay doesn't grease the paperclips.
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  438. I thought Nicola bought herself a campervan with SNP funds - 'embezzlement' is entirely different to 'tax evasion'.
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  439.  @craigevans6156  OK! And I am not saying anyone is guilty - just repeating the allegations as they have been reported.
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  440. Is 'Richard' a community?
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  441.  @nickryder9669  It's 'Remainers' or 'Remoaners' not 'remainders' lol! But. 'remainders' does mean 'leftovers' and it was the extra votes from the left which won the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election lol!
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  442.  @stuartcastle2814  So, if we ever do rejoin the EU - you will be OK with 85% of MPs having UKIP backgrounds...
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  443.  @stuartcastle2814  OK, but some of us think politicians have political ideologies.
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  444.  @stuartcastle2814  Well, I'm not sure what you mean - what do you mean by 'supporting Brexit'? There are different possible versions of 'Brexit'.
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  445.  @stuartcastle2814  How could the Leave campaign 'promise' anything? The referendum was not a general election - if Leave won the Leave campaign was not going to take control of the government.
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  446.  @stuartcastle2814  To be honest - I think you're talking nonsense. I don't want to be insulting, but this stuff requires some political understanding which you clearly do not have.
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  447.  @lbergen001  Who are you talking to and what are you trying to say?
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  448.  @lbergen001  People do not have to take orders from the EU. In the UK we had a choice and most chose to be free of EU orders.
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  449.  @lbergen001  There's a lot of anti-Brexit interference and propaganda. Most people haven't noticed any difference. There are cost of living issues - but EU countries have the exact same problems. I don't think the UK people would ever vote to rejoin.
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  450. What was the Remain I voted against - joining the euro in five years after promising not to?
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  451.  @lbergen001  I agree - it wasn't very nice of the EU to remove their existing rights to live and work in the EU (especially since only 1 million UK were in the EU27 mostly spending their UK pensions/savings and the UK has allowed 6.5 million EU27 to stay in the UK) When Southern Ireland left the UK in 1922 the UK welcomed its citizens to live and work in the UK (a law which still applies today). I think EU thinking toward ordinary people is very different to the UK...
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  452.  @MS-19  We'll never know - thank goodness...
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  453.  @MS-19  Don't you feel silly blathering on about an alternative future reality which is in fact is nothing more than your imagination?
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  454.  @ianhomerpura8937  That is certainly no true for me. If you do some research it was Labour voters that got Brexit done and there has been no significant vote for 'Conservative after Brexit'
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  455.  @stevesimpson4881  It's not 'a disaster' lol! There is a relentless ongoing anti-Brexit propaganda campaign against the UK people, which began when the establishment stopped 'seeing stars' after June 24, 2016. 'Brexit' is a 'media' word falsely attached to problems in UK society, but the reality is most people don't think about the EU as impacting on their lives. As time goes on, people whinging about Brexit will be seen as being mentally disordered - bit like those people who jot down train numbers in case someone needs to know...
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  456.  @horsesarebetterthanpeople  I think everyone understood the Leave Campaign was not 'the government' and the Leave bus did not say 'more' it said 'instead'... There's a difference.
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  457.  @NeilCWCampbell  That's not possible, because the UK being in the EEC/EU was clearly the fault of Yes voters in the 1975 referendum. Leave voters simply corrected that mistake...
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  458.  @NeilCWCampbell  The UK people being in control of the UK, so not having a foreign government making decisions affecting the UK. The UK people had 10% representation in EU parliament, so were a significant minority. The UK people have 100% representation in UK parliament/assemblies, so cannot be democratically overruled by people from other countries.
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  459.  @NeilCWCampbell  That's not the point - I haven't mentioned foreign courts - you did. I'm not talking about any laws or borders or rules - you are. I simply said, I don't want a parliament in a foreign land with 90% foreigners voting on matters which I consider none of its/their business. Perhaps, you are correct and nothing detrimental has happened - but a child following a strange man into the woods to find a puppy is not harmful to the child. I believe it's always best to never hand power to others. Did you attend any of the recent re-join marches? I heard it was not possible to count the turnout in Leeds, because Steve Bray's megaphone kept getting in the way...
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  460.  @tracychristenson177  Different versions of 'Brexit' - so 'Brexit means Brexit' means a version of Brexit means a version of Brexit...
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  461.  @MsCharlieBrown78  We are moving on and going forward out of the EU. You don't get to decide how other people voted or should vote. You get one vote like everyone else and you can use that how you think best.
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  462.  @filipbitala2624  Why do you say this? Or do people not need reasons for saying things in the world where you reside?
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  463.  @horsesarebetterthanpeople  of course the money goes to the NHS instead of the EU! If the UK government is not giving it to the EU - then it's going on the NHS - this is a simple economic fact, because the UK is borrowing to pay the bills...
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  464.  @brigold3352 The main thing is the UK people will never vote to rejoin.
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  465.  @bryangeake5826  You're not making any sense. You seem to be arguing the minority vote should have got its way. Can you elaborate on why the majority of voters should not be allowed their wish to live in an independent UK, because a minority of voters want the UK to be governed by the EU? Also, why is it 'meaningless' to point out a majority of MPs would give up UK independence to join the EU, when this is not the majority wish of the people?
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  466.  @bryangeake5826  You appear to be arguing the 2016 referendum ended the UK's membership of the EU. The UK ended its membership of the EU after the UK electorate had voted into power a government with a clear general election manifesto promise to leave the EU. In the 2019 general election, parties with manifesto pledges not to leave the EU gained less than 20% of the national vote.
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  467.  @bryangeake5826  I was talking about parties with 'pledges not to leave.' If people were so against Brexit they were free to vote not to leave - only 20% did. It is you who is wrong, because a second referendum is not a pledge not to leave.
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  468.  @bryangeake5826  I was talking about the 2019 general election when 20% of the UK electorate voted for parties with 'do not leave the EU' manifesto commitment.
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  469.  @bryangeake5826  And I explained a pledge for a second referendum was not a pledge not to leave the EU.
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  470.  @bryangeake5826  I think if Brexit was a disaster, more than 500 people would have attended the 2024 National Rejoin March in London...
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  471.  @bryangeake5826  Most people think the UK being an independent country is better than being governed by a foreign parliament.
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  472.  @bryangeake5826  It would require a referendum and there are very convincing arguments not to give up independence. If a 'stay-in' referendum did not succeed it seems unlikely a 'join' referendum would succeed. Not sure what the 'join message' could be...
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  473.  @bryangeake5826  The PR representation of the EU parliament only gave the UK people10% of the parliamentary say. That said, less than 20% of UK voters were positively participating in the EU parliament.
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  474.  @bryangeake5826  The 2016 result stands until it is reversed by referendum. Remember David Dimbleby announcing the 1975 referendum had been reversed?
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  475.  @bryangeake5826  There was no 1970 manifesto pledge to join the EEC. The 1970 Conservative manifesto stated if elected they would "negotiate; no more, and no less" "Independent: free from outside control; not subject to another's authority" (Oxford)
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  476.  @bryangeake5826  Any UK government attempting to join the EU without a referendum would be open to the criticism it was not holding a referendum because the people were against joining the EU.
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  477.  @bryangeake5826  Personally, I don't care what the Electoral Commission says, because it's a group politically biased people with one vote like everyone else. All that matters is the UK voted to leave the EU and this is a position that can only be overruled by the UK electorate. Why was the Electoral Commision not concerned with the UK government (a group of people with one vote each) using £9 million of taxpayers money to send a pro-EU propaganda leaflet to people's homes?
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  478.  @bryangeake5826 25% of the population is more than the 14% of the population that has installed the current Labour government and you have argued such an elected government has a mandate to overrule the 2016 referendum.
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  479.  @bryangeake5826  A PR government can be formed on 51% of the national vote. The 2016 referendum was PR, as each vote counted equally and 52% of votes were for UK independence from the EU.
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  480.  @bryangeake5826  Like I said a PR government can be formed on 51% of the national vote. Whether this is a coalition of different parties is immaterial. 52% of the UK national vote wanted to leave the EU. The other 48% were not committed to EU membership - they just wanted to travel easily in the EU or were propaganda panicked about the UK economy and UK unemployment. No one really wanted to part of the EU federal Europe project or somebody would have objected to the UK government pledge to never join the UK to the eurozone.
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  481. OK, so you would like a rejoin referendum with 80% UKIP MPs and if the people vote rejoin you want the 80% UKIP parliament to do it? Because this is what Leave voter have had to contend with. In response to your prediction Brexit would fail: 10% claim Brexit has failed - the rest either think Brexit is too soft, Brexit is OK, or don't care.
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  482. When the polls change he'll be asking to go back...
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  483.  @redshift1053  13 December 1997 Luxembourg Council declares Turkey eligible to become an EU member. 11 December 1999 Helsinki European Council declares Turkey a candidate country. 24 March 2001 Council adopts Accession Partnership for Turkey. 19 May 2003 Council adopts revised Accession Partnership for Turkey. 16 December 2004 European Council declares that Turkey sufficiently fulfils the criteria for opening accession negotiations beginning in October 2005. 3 October 2005 Council adopts negotiating framework and negotiations are formally opened. Screening process begins. 1 June 2006 Negotiations are opened and closed on Chapter 25 – Science and Research. 11 December 2006 Because Turkey refused to apply to Cyprus the Additional Protocol to the Ankara Agreement, Council decides that eight chapters will not be opened. Main article: Cyprus dispute 19 February 2008 Council adopts revised Accession Partnership for Turkey. 30 June 2010 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 12 – Food Safety, Veterinary and Phytosanitary Policy. 17 May 2012 Positive Agenda intended to bring fresh dynamics into the EU-Turkey relations was launched. 5 November 2013 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 22 – Regional Policy and Coordination of Structural Instruments. 16 December 2013 Visa liberalisation dialogue launched and EU-Turkey Readmission Agreement signed. 29 November 2015 First EU-Turkey Summit held and Joint EU-Turkey Action Plan activated. The EU welcomes Turkey's commitment to accelerate the fulfilment of the Visa Roadmap benchmarks in return for halting the flow of Syrian refugees from Turkey to Greece.[24] 14 December 2015 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 17 – Economic and Monetary Policy. 30 June 2016 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 33 – Financial and Budgetary Provisions. 24 November 2016 MEPs vote overwhelmingly to suspend negotiations with Turkey over human rights and rule of law concerns. 6 July 2017 EU parliament called for the suspension of accession negotiations with Turkey. 20 February 2019 EU parliament committee votes to suspend accession talks with Turkey. 13 March 2019 The European Parliament unanimously accepted the call for the suspension of full membership negotiations between the EU and Turkey. 18 July 2023 The EU has decided not to restart accession negotiations with Turkey. So, you see in 2016 Turkey was joining the EU - it was just after the UK referendum result the EU started making it appear otherwise..
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  484.  @AL-YT-comment  There isn't, but if a person makes a promise or prediction they believe will be fulfilled and is not fulfilled, then this is not 'a lie'. The point I was making is we are discussing whether lies were made during the 2016 referendum and clearly 2017 is not relevant to that discussion.
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  485. Try using your brain for an hour and see if you can understand this: Remain was the 'safe' option and Leave was the 'risk' option. So, of voters in 'two-minds' (probably 60%) a higher proportion would have opted for the safe option. This means many more 2016 Remain voters would now change their 2016 vote, than vice versa.
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  486.  @AL-YT-comment Well, you've had it explained - but did you give yourself an hour? Perhaps, you just need more time...
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  487.  @alanbarker2279  Of course, the biggest lie was the pro-EU activist generated UK government promise to 'never join the euro' when it is EU policy member states should use the euro... What right did pro-EU activists have to use £9 million of voter's money to tell such a blatant lie to the UK people about the true intentions of pro-EU activists?
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  488.  @AL-YT-comment  What was you prediction for the 2016 referendum?
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  489.  @AL-YT-comment  My logic is not flawed. I said, 'probably 60% were in two-minds' which meant 40% had decided their voting intention prior to the campaign period. Plainly, in this context 'two-minds' simply means a voter might be persuaded to vote either way. I think at the time of the referendum, only around 20% were actively committed to UK participation in the 'EU political project' and this figure is now reduced.
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  490.  @SteveMusicMan1999 I believe the correct thing would have been for pro-EU activist MPs to stand down following the referendum. The result represented a massive democratic rejection of their political vision to end the UK. A vision (imposition) which had cost the UK hundreds of billions and decades of lost alternative opportunities. It was not right for Cameron to conspicuously fall on his sword and leave the rest of them to obstruct the people's will to be a sovereign nation.
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  491.  @AL-YT-comment  There is plenty of documented EU proof to show many member states were opposed to the UK rebate. The £350m figure was an EU figure taken from an EU document. It's weird how you claim people are wrong without providing any actual proof - lol!
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  492.  @AL-YT-comment  What does this mean/refer to?
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  493.  @AL-YT-comment  OK! I see what you have done. I said: "massive democratic rejection" and you misquoted this to "massive mandate" The point I was making is, if the major political parties, holding all the seats in the UK parliament, could not gain the democratic approval of the UK electorate on a matter of constitutional importance, then there was an obvious democratic problem with the policy...
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  494.  @AL-YT-comment  The point about the rebate and the £350m is this; I was able to reach an opinion based on known evidence that, if the UK was to vote to remain in the EU, then the UK rebate would soon get scrapped and so, I voted to prevent this (and other things) from happening. Now, you might think I was wrong to think and vote this way, but here's the thing you don't seem to get: You were free to vote as you thought best and I did not require your permission on how to think or vote.
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  495.  @AL-YT-comment  "demographics would overturn" I'm really not sure you are thinking this through mate! I've tried to explain to you how this works. You and me - we don't matter. Why? Because you are an EU fanatic and I am an independence fanatic. For the sake of argument there are 20% of voters like you and 20% of voters like me. Here's the thing - we cancel eachother out. What our 'sides' have to do to win a referendum is persuade 51% of the remaining 60% who don't ever think about the EU. This means to rejoin your side will have to persuade around 11 million people who don't ever think about the EU, to give up independence, give up the pound, give the EU 30 billion euros each year and hand automatic access to UK jobs, homes, NHS to the people of 27 EU countries - I think it's who's 'dreaming'... What's going on the side of your bus - 'There's more that unites us than divides us' lol!
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  496.  @davidkinnear1905  You must accept the referendum was not a general election, so those attempting to persuade the UK people to leave the EU were not going to be allowed to form a new government. The things you mention were not lies, even if they did not eventually happen. The point being these things were democratically possible, if the UK was no longer a member of the EU. Everyone understood this; it was pro-EU MPs that, obstructed the things you say the electorate voted for.
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  497.  @davidkinnear1905  Well, you were saying these thing were said and then complaining that people had voted for them so, no 'mental gymnastics' there. If you really believe the UK electorate would vote to rejoin the EU then you must be a 'mental invalid' lol! Who's going to lead this campaign to give up UK independence and scrap the pound - Gina Miller, Suzi Izzard and Femi Oluwole?
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  498. Don't worry, for every Leave voter who has changed their mind, there are three Remain voters who have changed their minds. And had you voted Remain in 2016, Leave would have still won by one million two hundred thousand and five hundred votes....
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  499.  @AL-YT-comment  Yes, the NHS has gotten it; the UK has been borrowing to pay for government services and the NHS (whose post Brexit spending has increased by more than £350m per week) takes most from the coffers. It is a fiscal reality that, any money not sent to the EU has been used on the NHS instead. The serial numbers on the notes might be different, but the government probably doesn't pay for the NHS with cash.
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  500.  @davidkinnear1905  It's all over - a recent poll asking whether people would vote to join the EU if it would mean adopting the euro showed 75% against. The EU cannot change its rules for one country.
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  501.  @davidkinnear1905  I sent you a link to the poll - not sure if you got it.
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  502.  @nothereandthereanywhere  The independent fact based analyses shows in 2016, the UK was the 7th most expensive country in Europe to buy food and the UK is now the 19th most expensive country in Europe to buy food. General cost of living data shows in 2016, the UK was 6th most expensive country in Europe to live and in 2013 the UK is the 17th most expensive country in Europe to live. Compared with countries in Europe since Brexit the UK has become an easier place to eke out a living...
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  503. I think David Lammey MP summed it up nicely: 'Angela was allowed two principle homes for tax liability relief and everyone else is allowed one principle home for tax liability relief'...
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  504.  @pbamcp  I was thinking St Helena for Starmer, as the climate is more suitable.
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  505. I'd bet my house he voted Remain... You lot are sooo gullible... Please tell me you didn't buy a live turkey and fatten it up for Xmas.
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  506. You are believing the side that misled people. Like us you have a big political union on two sides - are you going to join, have Canada law made in Washington DC and adopt USD?
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  507.  @Cooki3Munster  What comment are you replying to?
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  508.  @localreviewking134  A more likely scenario would be an electoral pact fought on key shared pledges in which the seats were divided equally and fairly with no seat standing a candidate from both parties. If a coalition of winning MPs can form a government, the leader of the party with the most MPs becomes prime minister.
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  509.  @localreviewking134  With respect that's nonsense - read my comment again.
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  510.  @localreviewking134  Which is what I said.
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  511. Thing is Starmer said he first got to know Gray when they were working at the CPS - so she probably knows all about how all the statements and evidence from people abused by Jimmy Savile was locked in a cupboard. The question here is - would she be so willing to 'blow her whistle' when it doesn't suit the EU?
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  512. Of course 411 Labour MPs are all going to agree with flop flop Starmer....
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  513.  @kanedNunable  If you want to believe that you can. However, It might surprise you to learn there are actual recorded statistics and these show your belief is wrong.
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  514.  @evokestudiosbrighton We're not a communist state yet Wolfie. It's up to other countries who they let in and up to British doctors and engineers what country they want to live in.
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  515.  @Gph0367  The 2023 cost of living in EU countries like the Netherlands, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Portugal, Austria, Southern Ireland is higher than in the UK. When the UK voted to leave the EU in 2016, the UK cost of living was higher than the Netherlands, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Portugal, Austria, Southern Ireland. I think experts agree the covid pandemic and war in Russia has caused a worldwide cost of living crisis. I have just returned from Australia where there is a cost of living crisis (presumably not caused by Brexit). All countries in Europe have seen living costs rise, but when the knowable earnings and essential cost facts are compared, we see that, between voting to leave the EU in 2016 and 2023, the UK has moved from 6th hardest country in Europe to eke out a living to 17th hardest country in Europe to eke out a living.
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  516.  @Gph0367  Yep, Two of my children live in Aus and I have five grandchildren there so I know it quite well (was just there for 9 weeks). This is why I voted for Brexit - to be more like Aus and less like the EU. To have 10% sales tax not EU imposed VAT at 20% on everything.
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  517. Fogarty really is a silly moo prattling on about her pale green and cream cushions. Does she really think the UK's HMS Queen Elizabeth carrier should go into action flying a pale green and cream battle ensign? The point is The England Team is representing England not Nikee or Laura Ashlee FFS!
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  518. At the time Australia was part of the British Empire. Those convicts were typically young people who were deemed held back by their circumstances and were sent to begin a new life. In the end few regretted their sentence.
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  519. Don't worry Laura - if we have re-join referendum in six weeks you can vote yes with the other 30% of twits.
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  520.  @Paul-eb4jp  90% of Brits don't use or want free movement - why should they vote for it?
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  521.  @Paul-eb4jp  I thought we were trying to prevent young healthy workers coming to the UK - I don't see a problem getting workers to come to the UK.
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  522. The fact remoaners like James O'Brien cannot accept Brexit makes very clear these remoaners in the civil service have an axe to grind.
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  523. I think the government and its office had to carry on as usual - and eating, drinking (even alcohol) is part of that. During WW2 no one was allowed to show lights at night because of German bombers, but everyone allowed Winston Churchill to smoke his cigars, because he was wining the war.
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  524. Actually, you literally said "a whole lot of nothing"
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  525. They are all pro-EU Tories working with the EU to get a pro-EU UK government.
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  526. When the UK stopped being a member of the EU, 67 million UK people lost their EU citizenship. Four years later there were 30 rejoin protests held around the UK. Each was attended by about ten elderly people. This is what the EU really means to the UK people.
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  527. What 'mess'? If those that wanted the UK to stay in the EU would just accept the referendum result and get on with making the UK a success - there would be no perception of 'mess'.
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  528. When I say 'deals are in place' I mean there is already trade between UK and EU27. This is worth billions and the interests involved would not be not be willing to jeopardise sales. Talk of legal barriers to trade might be good for attempting to frighten people, but in practice it would be political suicide for those bureaucrats responsible.
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  529. Firstly, the EU is not Europe there are 50 countries in Europe and 27 countries affiliated to the EU. If the EU attempts to disrupt trade between the UK and the EU27 then the EU will pay a heavy political price for this. There are 450 million people in the EU27 and it is likely 1 - 200 million would vote to leave the EU. WTO provides a fall-back system if countries cannot agree - the EU bureaucrats can easily agree to trade deal with UK. If no deal is reached then WTO rules will be satisfactory for UK side.
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  530. +Michael Roeterdink The UK would be saving the divorce settlement, the membership contributions, and tariffs on non EU27 imports to the UK currently paid to the EU. This saving could be used to alleviate any transitional issues. If WTO tariffs make goods from the EU27 unaffordable we will buy goods made in the UK or from some other country with a free trade deal.
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  531. +Micheal Roeterdink To itself - as people will see it as a tyrannical bunny boiler.
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  532. It's possible the police have not used a prosecution time bar as reason to not conduct an investigation, because the justification used when prosecutions are time barred is not being in the public interest. An elected serving politician not complying with electoral law and consequently evading tax might be seen to be in the public interest and any decision as to prosecution would be above the police.
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  533. I think the guy is just arguing for fairness, pointing out that most workers do not have the ability to inflict massive harm on society/others to get more than most workers.
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  534.  @sclair2854  The UK had already been joined to the EEC by a Tory government that had promised not to join in its general election manifesto.
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  535. Where was Trudeau at the USA event?
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  536.  @ronnieince4568  No doubt, that would all be explained by the 'better in private ownership' campaign. The question was: Would you be opposed to the British people making such a decision by a referendum?
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  537.  @ronnieince4568  I was born the owner of British Rail, British Gas, British Telecom, British Petroleum, Royal Mail and more valuable things that were seized from the British people and sold at less than their market value to a wealthy minority. There was no referendum majority for this and the governments that did it had much less than 50% of the national vote...
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  538. ​ @silvers123  No. Not sure how the question would go. I believe that UK immigration has been far too excessive.
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  539.  @elingrome5853  Be odd if Brexit did not make me happy - I voted for it. You twits need to realise millions of Labour supporters have voted for the Tories to 'get Brexit done'.
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  540.  Niconoclastic Neoc  I would just hand over my property in exchange for half of the cost of the referendum and save the country a fortune.
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  541.  @ronnieince4568  A lot of people see Boris as a Churchill type figure getting Britain through a turbulent period in its history. Well, you know what happened after Churchill had won WW2... The people voted for the most left-wing manifesto in Britain's history.
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  542.  Niconoclastic Neoc  So, according to you the British Government cannot run Royal Navy or Royal Air Force... I suppose you would like to see Richard Branson in charge of these things...
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  543. Anyone that really thinks we can regulate the planet like a thermostat is an idiot.
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  544.  @millicentgranger6035  I have known them for years and they say who they vote for.
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  545. "Yabadabadoooooooo!!!"
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  546.  @weswheel4834  I think many more would have voted Leave if Remain had told the truth about what they wanted for the UK instead of trying to make people afraid of Brexit.
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  547. I'm looking forward to banana shaped bananas - the EU went bananas when it started arguing with bananas.
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  548. Both sides were able to make slogans and both sides were able to challenge what the other side said. There's a big word for it, but I can't quite rememb.... Oh" that's it: 'democracy'.
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  549. Well yes, but not everyone lives in the comment section of anti-Brexit YouTube videos. Meanwhile in the real world people don't think about Brexit as it happened years ago.
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  550.  @Stitchmax You think Starmer is going to take Musk down lol - how do you think this is going to happen?
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  551. If we do get a Labour government for 5 years, will the anti-Brexit propaganda machine still be proclaiming 'the UK is a disaster'? Labour would not attempt to join the EU Single Market without holding a referendum, because it would surely cause political unrest. The case for joining the Single Market would be difficult to sell to voters who would be wary of 'change for the sake of change'. The likelihood is such a referendum would see 2016 Leave voters turn out in force and most 2016 Remain voters having more important things to be getting on with.
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  552. Interesting those saying she's not guilty also say it was only £1500 - surely if she's not guilty the tax evasion amount is £0.
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  553. These polls about 'Brexit regret' are made up propaganda designed to give ammunition to propagandist activists and make people change their minds. If we had a re-join referendum in six weeks - the re-join side would be lucky to get 30%. There are at least ten very strong 'bus-sized' reasons to stay out and all the remoaners have is 'Our 'experts' say the economy would be better' ... What a joke!
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  554. So many more people regretted voting to stay in the EEC in 1975. You would hear them everyday: 'We were told it was just about trade' 'Heath lied to us about sovrighnty' 'I voted for a trade deal with a handful of countries' 'Biggest mistake of my life' 'Tony Benn was right'
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  555. How's that going to happen - when they couldn't even persuade the country to stay in? This 're-join referendum' with Lord Adonis on a bus with 'Let's give the UK to Brussels' on the side - you think people will vote for that?
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