Comments by "Iazzaboyce" (@Iazzaboyce) on "'The first Brexit phone-in where I haven't got a clue what I think' | James O'Brien - The Whole Show" video.

@Sem5626 Since, these 'lies' were so 'obvious' - you should have no difficulty citing a statement (verbatim) made by the Leave campaign and demonstrating it with fact and reason to have been a lie. (A 'lie' being a knowingly false statement intended to deceive.') Just choose one example - I await with interest...
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@Sem5626 So, you accuse people of telling lies, but cannot prove your accusation - doesn't this make you the one telling lies?
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@redshift1053 This would only be a lie if at the time Danial Hannan knew there were serious discussions leading to a likelihood of the UK leaving the single market and he wanted voters to believe otherwise. I don't think there is any evidence to show this was the case.
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@AL-YT-comment The Bus said "We send £350 million each week to the EU - let's fund the NHS instead" the first part is true, if you take into account the rebate which Remain supporters wanted to end and would have ended had the UK voted to stay in. The second part is a 'proposal' and therefore cannot be 'a lie'. The economic reality is money not sent to the EU would inevitably be used on the NHS instead, as the UK was borrowing to fund the NHS. I don't remember anyone saying the UK would have '40 trade agreements ready from day one' during the referendum campaign. As for 'cheaper food after EU exit' - independent fact based analyses shows that, food in the UK is now cheaper (by comparison with other countries in Europe) than it was when we voted to leave the EU.
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@AL-YT-comment I have not said he didn't say that in 2017 - but we are discussing what was said during the 2016 referendum.
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@AL-YT-comment I have answered that - the rebate was not supported by UK 'Remain' pro-EU activists and would have ended had the UK stayed in the EU. The UK people had a right to look to the future and the Remain side were at liberty to contest the figure. I sometimes wonder if you lot understand you were allowed to say stuff too - lol!
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Odd, how we joined the European Coal And Steel Community and in ten years had no coal or steel industry...
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@BetjeWolff-v2s You don't need to read a book to see the European Coal And Steel Community did not want to buy coal and steel from the UK. We know UK production was ended and the UK started buying coal and steel from mainland Europe.
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@redshift1053 13 December 1997 Luxembourg Council declares Turkey eligible to become an EU member. 11 December 1999 Helsinki European Council declares Turkey a candidate country. 24 March 2001 Council adopts Accession Partnership for Turkey. 19 May 2003 Council adopts revised Accession Partnership for Turkey. 16 December 2004 European Council declares that Turkey sufficiently fulfils the criteria for opening accession negotiations beginning in October 2005. 3 October 2005 Council adopts negotiating framework and negotiations are formally opened. Screening process begins. 1 June 2006 Negotiations are opened and closed on Chapter 25 – Science and Research. 11 December 2006 Because Turkey refused to apply to Cyprus the Additional Protocol to the Ankara Agreement, Council decides that eight chapters will not be opened. Main article: Cyprus dispute 19 February 2008 Council adopts revised Accession Partnership for Turkey. 30 June 2010 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 12 – Food Safety, Veterinary and Phytosanitary Policy. 17 May 2012 Positive Agenda intended to bring fresh dynamics into the EU-Turkey relations was launched. 5 November 2013 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 22 – Regional Policy and Coordination of Structural Instruments. 16 December 2013 Visa liberalisation dialogue launched and EU-Turkey Readmission Agreement signed. 29 November 2015 First EU-Turkey Summit held and Joint EU-Turkey Action Plan activated. The EU welcomes Turkey's commitment to accelerate the fulfilment of the Visa Roadmap benchmarks in return for halting the flow of Syrian refugees from Turkey to Greece.[24] 14 December 2015 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 17 – Economic and Monetary Policy. 30 June 2016 Negotiations are opened on Chapter 33 – Financial and Budgetary Provisions. 24 November 2016 MEPs vote overwhelmingly to suspend negotiations with Turkey over human rights and rule of law concerns. 6 July 2017 EU parliament called for the suspension of accession negotiations with Turkey. 20 February 2019 EU parliament committee votes to suspend accession talks with Turkey. 13 March 2019 The European Parliament unanimously accepted the call for the suspension of full membership negotiations between the EU and Turkey. 18 July 2023 The EU has decided not to restart accession negotiations with Turkey. So, you see in 2016 Turkey was joining the EU - it was just after the UK referendum result the EU started making it appear otherwise..
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@AL-YT-comment There isn't, but if a person makes a promise or prediction they believe will be fulfilled and is not fulfilled, then this is not 'a lie'. The point I was making is we are discussing whether lies were made during the 2016 referendum and clearly 2017 is not relevant to that discussion.
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Try using your brain for an hour and see if you can understand this: Remain was the 'safe' option and Leave was the 'risk' option. So, of voters in 'two-minds' (probably 60%) a higher proportion would have opted for the safe option. This means many more 2016 Remain voters would now change their 2016 vote, than vice versa.
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@AL-YT-comment Well, you've had it explained - but did you give yourself an hour? Perhaps, you just need more time...
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@alanbarker2279 Of course, the biggest lie was the pro-EU activist generated UK government promise to 'never join the euro' when it is EU policy member states should use the euro... What right did pro-EU activists have to use £9 million of voter's money to tell such a blatant lie to the UK people about the true intentions of pro-EU activists?
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@AL-YT-comment What was you prediction for the 2016 referendum?
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@AL-YT-comment My logic is not flawed. I said, 'probably 60% were in two-minds' which meant 40% had decided their voting intention prior to the campaign period. Plainly, in this context 'two-minds' simply means a voter might be persuaded to vote either way. I think at the time of the referendum, only around 20% were actively committed to UK participation in the 'EU political project' and this figure is now reduced.
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@SteveMusicMan1999 I believe the correct thing would have been for pro-EU activist MPs to stand down following the referendum. The result represented a massive democratic rejection of their political vision to end the UK. A vision (imposition) which had cost the UK hundreds of billions and decades of lost alternative opportunities. It was not right for Cameron to conspicuously fall on his sword and leave the rest of them to obstruct the people's will to be a sovereign nation.
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@AL-YT-comment There is plenty of documented EU proof to show many member states were opposed to the UK rebate. The £350m figure was an EU figure taken from an EU document. It's weird how you claim people are wrong without providing any actual proof - lol!
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@AL-YT-comment What does this mean/refer to?
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@AL-YT-comment OK! I see what you have done. I said: "massive democratic rejection" and you misquoted this to "massive mandate" The point I was making is, if the major political parties, holding all the seats in the UK parliament, could not gain the democratic approval of the UK electorate on a matter of constitutional importance, then there was an obvious democratic problem with the policy...
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@AL-YT-comment The point about the rebate and the £350m is this; I was able to reach an opinion based on known evidence that, if the UK was to vote to remain in the EU, then the UK rebate would soon get scrapped and so, I voted to prevent this (and other things) from happening. Now, you might think I was wrong to think and vote this way, but here's the thing you don't seem to get: You were free to vote as you thought best and I did not require your permission on how to think or vote.
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@AL-YT-comment "demographics would overturn" I'm really not sure you are thinking this through mate! I've tried to explain to you how this works. You and me - we don't matter. Why? Because you are an EU fanatic and I am an independence fanatic. For the sake of argument there are 20% of voters like you and 20% of voters like me. Here's the thing - we cancel eachother out. What our 'sides' have to do to win a referendum is persuade 51% of the remaining 60% who don't ever think about the EU. This means to rejoin your side will have to persuade around 11 million people who don't ever think about the EU, to give up independence, give up the pound, give the EU 30 billion euros each year and hand automatic access to UK jobs, homes, NHS to the people of 27 EU countries - I think it's who's 'dreaming'... What's going on the side of your bus - 'There's more that unites us than divides us' lol!
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@davidkinnear1905 You must accept the referendum was not a general election, so those attempting to persuade the UK people to leave the EU were not going to be allowed to form a new government. The things you mention were not lies, even if they did not eventually happen. The point being these things were democratically possible, if the UK was no longer a member of the EU. Everyone understood this; it was pro-EU MPs that, obstructed the things you say the electorate voted for.
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@davidkinnear1905 Well, you were saying these thing were said and then complaining that people had voted for them so, no 'mental gymnastics' there. If you really believe the UK electorate would vote to rejoin the EU then you must be a 'mental invalid' lol! Who's going to lead this campaign to give up UK independence and scrap the pound - Gina Miller, Suzi Izzard and Femi Oluwole?
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Don't worry, for every Leave voter who has changed their mind, there are three Remain voters who have changed their minds. And had you voted Remain in 2016, Leave would have still won by one million two hundred thousand and five hundred votes....
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@AL-YT-comment Yes, the NHS has gotten it; the UK has been borrowing to pay for government services and the NHS (whose post Brexit spending has increased by more than £350m per week) takes most from the coffers. It is a fiscal reality that, any money not sent to the EU has been used on the NHS instead. The serial numbers on the notes might be different, but the government probably doesn't pay for the NHS with cash.
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@davidkinnear1905 It's all over - a recent poll asking whether people would vote to join the EU if it would mean adopting the euro showed 75% against. The EU cannot change its rules for one country.
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@davidkinnear1905 I sent you a link to the poll - not sure if you got it.
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@nothereandthereanywhere The independent fact based analyses shows in 2016, the UK was the 7th most expensive country in Europe to buy food and the UK is now the 19th most expensive country in Europe to buy food. General cost of living data shows in 2016, the UK was 6th most expensive country in Europe to live and in 2013 the UK is the 17th most expensive country in Europe to live. Compared with countries in Europe since Brexit the UK has become an easier place to eke out a living...
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