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Comments by "justgivemethetruth" (@justgivemethetruth) on "Robert Waldinger: What makes a good life? Lessons from the longest study on happiness | TED" video.
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+Ron maest
I don't think you can say that if you cannot qualify what it is to choose loneliness? What does it mean to choose anything? Do we have free will, or are there just not options available for people to chose, or are they even rejected when they do make an effort.
You react to this in a way that provokes your own interpretation of the world that you have come to some terms with, but by definition, that is something that you have found you can do ... by definition you do not know what you do not know ... the unknown unknowns as Donald Rumself would call them.
Can you say we have a choice when we face fear ... fear has a biological effect on people, not an intellectual effect? Some people can look at their fear, and if they are lucky enough, of the fear is not paralyzing enough, or if they can see something to try to change how they feel they may be able to make an effort to affect that.
You say the world is a fright-fest ... but we are all humans, we have dominated this planet, and we have nothing physically to fear, so how I interpret what you say is that these people are afraid of other people, they have been intimidated, bullied, frightened by other people ... so this is my problem with this kind of video ... it spins the people with lots of friends like a TV show, and when you look and dissect many of those friendships ... the should have different qualitied, like family, parents, children, associates, aquaintance ... and I think these friendships might more productively be classes as power, political power, so some people are disenfranchise by other people.
This fits more into the research they do with apes ... but we like to spin human research in some kind of positive more intellectual way. Say look at the cultural life span of native Americans or blacks in this country ... that is more telling I think than this study. I think this study misses the forests for the trees.
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Actually, if you want some scientific data on this, look to the book "The Third Chimpanzee" by Jared Diamond. This book is a real gem because it is a broad scientific survey of human beings through history compared with other primates.
If you do real scientific analysis, yes, primitive people had a hard life, but in reality they had closer knit social relationships and surprisingly better nutrition, better health - except for accidents and disease and more leisure time. When you think about it most of the ideas we have had have been around since primitive times. They had time to think in groups, where our substitute for that is scientific forums and the web.
Our bodies are more tuned to being used and getting a lot of activity, and most of the illnesses we get today are not getting activity that clears our arteries and uses up the calories we eat. Most of our food is just,whereas nomadic people had the whole environment to pick from.
There are trade offs and few of us would want to go back to primitive times, but using the first hunter-gatherers as a model our lives would be better modelled by that, that what we do today.
The book talks about how when people first started farming we went from a varied balanced diet to a carb-based diet from corn, wheat, potatoes and often not fresh. The regular people did not get the special nutrition the rich rulers and priests got.
Gotta challenge those orthoxies!
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+Themen JamalĀ
I am not sure I understand your question, or rather its point.
What part are you talking about ... loneliness?
I am not sure, but if that is what the numbers say,
then our society seems to be set up that way.
But is that really an answer?
Do they have a solution for it? If a given person is lonely,
what difference does it make that he knows that. What
difference does it make to all of us if we see someone who
is lonely, or the government ... does anyone care. Maybe
loneliness is a result or something else, for instance some
kind of bullying or oppression, see above. Who can avoid
loneliness? What can you do about it? There is a subtext
here that is useless and blaming of individuals.
How does this loneliness come about?
Or when people are told that society is one way, ie fame and
wealth and high achievement ... how conscious are they, and
when they develop habits of individuality ... how do they change
or find out it isn't working.
In other words, what is this guy telling us? I don't see any value
to it, as he says we all know this, but what can you do about it?
They say money and achievement don't get to happiness, but
they can certainly facilitate making friendships, having families,
avoiding conflict.
I think this guy is shirking away from the what are real political
ramifications of this study because the reality would be that
our society kills some people so that others can live better.
Do we really think that these people that are lonely choose that?
How do they get there, how can they change?
Agree or disagree with the study ... I don't know.
what is there to agree or disagree with?
Just sayin' ;-)
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