Comments by "justgivemethetruth" (@justgivemethetruth) on "Sam Harris"
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Thank you and gods bless you for Michal Cotler-Wunsh clear, concise and passionate words in support of civilization - obvious to some of us, and apparently not to some others. I just listened to this a second time, and it affected me even more, as well as left me flabbergasted as to the world's reaction to 10-7. It is heart-breaking to have learned about the Holocaust as a child and to be carrying around this ideal of civilization and what civilized people behave like, and then see the reaction to the world to the Hamas invasion of Israel, and to realize the full extent of the hate and dysfuntion of Palestinian society, and what seems like the impossibility to fix it because it is so vicious and closed off to reason and life.
What caught my ear particularly in this second listen was Michal Cotler-Wunsh's pointing out of the "civilized" world's reaction to Russia's invasion of Ukraine compared with Gaza's orgy of hate, murder, rape, torture with genocideal intent - pure ISIS-like barbarism. I can't believe I live in such a world.
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One thing I came across recently was the plan for a new type of city. I think it was called Neom, and it is being built in the north west of Saudi Arabia. It is a new concept of a linear city. As I researched this, at least the basic ideas sound fascinating. If we look at how cities have been built throughout history they always center around the older historic parts in a radial plan, or they are gridded out like NYC, but when you think of what our technological expertise is and what is needed in the future, mass transit that can get you somewhere fast, efficiently and carbon-free, this linear model really works. Seems like it would be great also for the environment where you could have pass-throughs, pass-overs, or pass-unders for wildlife to move though instead of what we have today which is giant scars on the land. Saudi Arabis is the last country on the planet I'd like to see develop the lifestyle of the future, but from what I read, this is a fascinating concept ... and it is one being developed by MBS, damn his murderous soul.
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I've been trying to figure out what to make of this “Destiny” (Steven Bonnell) guy when the only real thing to recommend him is that he is a Liberal Left of Center guy who I often agree with and who sticks it to some of the folks he is debating with.
The flip side of that is that, no matter how much he knows and facts he can quote, as Sam pointed out that he is totally off-base when it comes to the Middle East and Iran. It makes me feel like he is being manipulative towards his audience in terms of not letting go of some kind of attachment to the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims. Sam is so obviously clued in to the reality of what Israel faces while "Destiny" ( yuck ) plays the Ben Shapiro game of talking super-fast and quoting HIS facts so he can flip around or overwhelm his debate opponent.
I was unimpressed and even at times repulsed by his argumentatative-debate-macho, and interpersonal political skills - like where he sounded like he was manipulating Candace Owens, who is a complete loon.
Tell me where is sanity? The best I can see is Sam Harris. I find it hard to find something to disagree with him on. I did agree with Destiny about his perception of the scale of threat of the Right-wing versus Wokeness, or what Elon Musk calls the Woke-Mind-Virus, which I find disgusting and only a way to attack the Left.
Stop attacking these people or groups or imagined groups and start focusing on facts, history, perceptions, debate, which we do not get enough of.
When people delve into Middle Eastern history it is often at first interest in finding out more, but then it becomes like a super-power of being to throw up an argument to support their opinion or defend their predjudice. I don't think Destiny has any conception of the MIddle East outside of the arguments he's had with people on Social Media. I could of course be wrong, but that is my gut feeling.
What do you think?
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@Timzart7
I though Carlson's inteview with Putin was a good thing.
I think Putin is a very smart guy, but the US does not want Russia economically
connected to the West because as they build up capital they have a huge unexploited
country full of smart people and raw materials and will threaten the US hegemony.
While I understand, or think I understand Putin's POV, a developed Russia would
dominate and could take over Europe economically in a way they will never do
militarily, and it is stupid to even think it's possible.
America is not perfect, and we can play hardball tougher than any other country
when we need to, but critical as I might be about my country, I don't want to see any
other country take global leadership and economic power away from us.
We seem to be doing a pretty good job of doing that ourselves.
I thought Tucker's romp though the Russian grocery store was interesting, and wondered
by he got so much crap for that. But then he goes and does the weirdest things, like not
only interviewing this pro-Nazi but calling him a leading thinker? Why?
All this war and competition in the world right now is exactly analogous to two people
fighting in a burning building. We are heading towards oblivion and it is clear our plutocrat
leaders are not worrying in the least about the rest of us at all.
These podcasting folks annoy me in a way, even the best as I consider Sam Harris and
Ezra Klein, two who make and effort to be intelligent and considerate. I had no idea that
Sam Felt Ezra has slammed him.
It's all in how we all manipulate each other by pretending we are with one brand or way of
thinking, and we have to make compromises and pay our dues to Caesar in order to be
taken seriously, and we cannot stray too far from the mob, just as our social behavior has
to toe the line and not be too different from others. But it means are are all phonies and
liars all our lives.
I honestly do not think humans are natively intelligent. Our intelligence is in our works,
and our books, science, theories and mythology and the external structures we make an
subscribe to, but behaviorally we are pretty much all hypocrites out for ourselves and
the hierachies leading up to ourself.
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@ricknash3055
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Ivermectin, a drug normally used to treat parasites including lice and rabies, did not seem to have a significant impact and improve the symptoms of patients with Covid-19, according to new research published Thursday, in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
In January, the National Institutes of Health’s Treatment Guidelines Panel said that there is not enough data to recommend for or against the drug to treat Covid-19 patients.
Even without studies to demonstrate that it works, a few doctors have heavily promoted the drug. It’s a cheap medication with anti-inflammatory properties and it seemed to stop the virus from replicating in lab studies. But just because it works in the lab, doesn’t mean it will work in real life. Most mainstream physicians have reserved their judgment about it
In this study based in Cali, Colombia, nearly 500 adults with mild disease who had symptoms for 7 days, volunteered to help test the drug. The trial is what’s known as a double-blind randomized control trial, the gold-standard of trials.
Half the volunteers got the drug for five days, the other half got a placebo, and standard care. Patients were enrolled in the trial between July 2020 and November 2020 and doctors followed up with that through December.
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Nice comment.
What else is the governor going to do? The solution once these people are in place is to try to make it work.
My understanding is that the city called for immigrants to come live there.
I think Sam is entirely correct feeling sympathy for Americans who have grown up here with an wide understanding of what American society it, and then someone from above decides to throw their lives into the blender with total disregard.
Foreign groups are different in nature. I recall here in CA when the Vietnamese boat people immigrated to this area. There were a lot of them and they spoke poor English, and people made the same cracks about them eating dogs, etc.
But the Vietnamese were poor, hardworking, exceptionally smart, and social, gentle friendly people who just want to get along.
When I compare that to a little later when people from Iran immigrated here they were mostly right-wing rich people, with a lot of money and many of them had an attitude and they did not melt into society as much. Of course there is huge overlap and you can't judge people, but sometimes it seems like you can, or you can at least perceive a problem and discuss it. I don't see anything wrong with that. For instance Muslims in Europe ... OMG!
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I have to say, in my gut when I see this Destiny guy, I could see keeping one's anonymity on Social Media because of the lunatics out there, but it's like he is taking on the mantle of a Rock Star celebrity, and it colors how I see him and hear him because he sounds like a youngster putting on airs and branding himself as a celebrity with fast talking BS - BS that a lot of Lefties are in agreement with.
While he has the comparison between the Left and the Right in terms of right and wrong and dirty tricks, etc, and seems to think he is so clever to point that out, he totally misses the same dynamic between Palestinians and Arabs/Muslims that Sam described - i.e. if Israel laid down their weapons there would be no Israel, if Palestinians laid down their weapons there would be peace.
I think Steve can see this, but I think he is manipulating what he says so as not to put off his lunatic Leftie followers.
I've had this confusion about the Left, which I consider myself of the Left, but have been confused since the 1980s about how did the Left absorb this attachment to the Palestinians - and it is so obvious that it is artificial and manipulation. For example - on Left podcasts, maybe I should say, Extreme Left, you hear nothing but positivity for Paletinians, Palestine, Muslims, etc - not one hint of even criticism, while at the same time you hear nothing but antipathy and criticism and negativity towards Israel.
What is a fair-minded moderate Leftie to do anyway? I hate that dynamic and I wish the Left would disavow this attachment to terrorism, or hate or all things American as well, as I do wish the Democrats would dump Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and ever AOC, who I don't get at all why she is so anti-semitic?
What do you think?
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I don't understand the criticism of Sam - it always shows up and purports to have a reason, but the reasons are BS or so minor as to not be worth talking about - the kind that if you don't like it, stop listening.
I have not yet finished this yet, I am at the part where Emanuel is relieved to be moving on to the Middle East - very funny. But seems like they both pick on Benjamin Netanyahu like a red-headed step-child - he is a target that given what people know about him is an easy target. That is such BS. Look at what was moving in on Israel from North, South, Iran & space. That even demands pre-emption.
They say Israel has the right to defend itself, but the whole world is at stake in that, and only because of one side - the crazy Islamic hatefilled terrorist jihadis who somehow have this right due to there being a lot of crazed lunatics that this somehow means the world has to respect them - rather than fear them and manage/handle that fear.
It is the same kind of lazy thinking that always leads to massive failure of humanity. Moral hygiene for the entire planet demands that Israel be defended - which is far far far far far more clear that Ukraine because the entire Cold War history of the US with Ukraine. Ukraine there are quibble upon quibbles about history and differing threads of history, but the reality of Arab-Israeli dispute is the intention to destroy Israel and genocide Jews. That is not an attitude from anyone about anyone that can or should be accepted by the world.
That splits the world into civilized and barbarian parts, and the civilized parts have to adhere to the rules of civilization. Netanyahu is pushing it masterfully but he is walking the line of a civilized power - and because he is doing so well - all the barbarian and naive countries try to blame him and nothing has stuck - but this endless name-calling. Netanyahu is a jew among Jews. He should get a lot more respect, as should Israel. As should the United States if we can right ourselves.
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@thesilverstalion1
Wealth tax.
Raise income taxes on high earners
Both are acceptable and both can theoretically and mechnically be implemented.
The problem is that I don't think very many Americans realize the hold the high-value earners
have on our cities, states, and federal government, as well as the corruption that the Presidency
of Donald Trump brough to the public consciousness.
As I mentioned earlier the "wealth tax" does not need to be on all wealth. I disagree that a
wealth tax should apply to investments that have not realized a capital gain, but there are
problems to that where the wealthy change the laws to make all their income unrealized
capital gains, and then borrow on that the interest of which is then deductable.
The estate tax is one good way to get revenue when someone dies and their estate should
be taxed, but thanks to W. Bush that tax was cut. Real estate taxes are a form of a wealth
tax, but again that system is gamed by the rich.
Ultimately the problem in America is the super-rich - but when you think about it, the problem
is global because if America is the strongest best country in the world, our rich people
might leave, and already do play games internationally by moving profit centers overseas.
This is a global problem because those massive billionaires who could never spend their
money have inordinate political power - and corruption. The entire world really needs to
handle this at once of the plutocrats will play their games. Should a plutocrat in America
have less wealth than a plutocrat/dictator in another country, such as Russia, China,
or even in a pathetic BS place like Palestine where their leaders take aid money meant
for their people and run to Qatar?
As and these plutocrats build their wealth to grow they need to screw over and enslave or
get rid of the regular people - they want everything. The people who defend this are sick,
of they are trolls, or paid agents.
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2:42 - "It's fairly amazing that we are in this spot, and social media is largely the reason. It's not entirely the reason. A lot of this falls on Trump, some of it falls on the far Left, but the fact that we can't stay sane as a society right now, that is largely due to the fact that we are simply drowning in misinformation." -Sam Harris
A lot of this falls on the far Left?
So, our choice is Trump, or the far Left.
I sure wish Sam Harris would qualify that statement because it sounds like total BS to me. Trump and the Republicans have flaunted the rules of our government, economy and society ... taking off in the 80's with Reagan, giving what has turned out to be a total or something like 47 trillion dollar robbery, all told, from the working class to the billionaire/corporate class, then taking that money in media and directing it towards both buying out and relentlessly attacking Democrats starting with Clinton. Then stealing the 200 election, engaging in a war paid for on credit ... even after all these economic elites and oligarchs ripped off the society for all that money - they still want the working and middle classes to pay off all of this. Then blocking Obama at every turn ... then stealing another election to install Trump through voter suppression and clever dirty tricks.
And that is the fault of the far FAR LEFT. The far Left are people who have been traumatized, stolen from and then gas-lighted by the likes of Sam Harris and other apparently Right-Wing propagandists who want to blame the Left for everything to discredit and disenfranchise "the Left". Listening to these podcasts have really exposed Sam Harris as a major agent of active deceit and propaganda.
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Also, Sam, you say aroung 2018 you were smeared by the Left. I have no idea about that, or what constitutes a smear, and whose smear actually matters, BUT, I think it was about that time that you got associated with the Far-Right, the folks in that supposed Intellectual Dark Web. The point and consistency of that group and those videos, at least the ones that I saw, were all over the place. Mostly the good ones in my opinion were ones you participated in, and to me it seemed like after the smoke cleared, not that you are perfect, but you were the only one of that group that had an ounce of integrity. It seemed they were in some way associated with a Plutocrat-Trump-Billionaire-Toxic-Elite political group, which always devolved into justifications for the Far-Right government. So, of course you can be justifiably criticized for being associated with that group, and the smear aspect mostly pertains to you not being courageous enough to stand up to them, which you eventually did.
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The problem is that every time this discussion comes up for black people ... and I am white so take this as a guess from my point of view. black people get schooled on how they should be behave and what they should expect, and the implication is that only when they accept and bend to the white man's law - then maybe they will be treated right.
There is a lot of good stuff to think about in this podcast. I just heard it today on a hike, but it is too bad this is not a dialog. For instance about the time Michael Brown was killed it came out that the country doesn't keep track of stuff like this. I don't know what data Harris was talking about, but there is a lot wrong from making such conclusions without a really deep dive into that data with skepticism. It is the 21st century ... why do we thing the government either doesn't track this stuff or doesn't release the information to the public.
Everyone is always talking about us losing our democracy, but we've never had a democracy and cannot have a democracy without and informed public, and to have an informed public and the honest keeping of certain metrics and measurements about the society, economy, justice system, etc. There are so many hundreds of ways rich people cheat regular people, and the black minority and African Americans are on the bottom of that - and though we talk about it endlessly nothing happens and in fact in many ways its worse.
Some democrat ... I think it was either Yang or Booker made the points in the democratic debates about how for whites their wealth grows by compounding, but the crimes and oppression compounds over time as well. All the quibbling about the facts does is to make people realize again they are trying to ignore the problem.
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Ben Shapiro - Donald Trump was the first President to send weapons to Ukraine, and that is when Ukraine started to be a real threat to Russia.
I could be wrong, but I've read a lot about the Ukraine thing, and my feeling is that Russia accepted losing Ukraine from its orbit, but they really cared more about Crimea, and I think Crimea was really Russian, with a lot of Russian value and investment. Ukraine President Yanukovych was working to have Ukraine neutral as a go-between from the West to Russia, but the US would not accept that, and couped Ukraine. That set off alerts in Russia that were unacceptable leading to the war. The idea that Russia did not attack Ukraine because they were scared of Trump seems laughable to me. Now since the EU/US cheated on their promises and treaties with Russia, it will be very hard for Russia to make a deal with the West about Ukraine because they know the US will not honor it. Our Ukraine policy from both administrations has been a disaster except for the victory that the US has kept Russia out of the EU economy, which was our main goal.
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42:25 - When I think about Hawkins' and Harris' ideas on AI, and risk, and doomsday I have to side more with Hawkins. I think Harris' ideas on super-intelligence and AI "getting loose" are absurd science fiction, and fear-mongering to get attention and to help get funding for ... who really knows what.
It is like the "missile gap" in the old Cold War, more of a marketing idea or manipulation by fear, by spelling out some kind of absurd catastrophe, and relying on our science fiction movie experience rather than any well thought out ideas.
For example, the first problem is that no one has yet still explained what intelligence it, and what it its relationship to consciousness, and whatever consciousness is.
One simple way of looking at it would be like Freud's conceptions of the mind, id, ego and super-ego. Id in particular, the driver, the motivator. I don't see human beings being able to deconstruct ourselves to the level necessary to understand or measure or maybe even perceive the elements of intelligence.
And then Hawkins seems to think you can unhook the intelligence function as a kind of module, remove it, recreate it and interface it to your TV, or car, or house, or military force? I don't buy that either. That is an attempt to market to customers who he wants to sell his vision and inventions to. I don't know that anything he has produced so far as been effective or useful.
I look at it this way, our consciousness was the product of evolution going back to the simple chemical processes in the first proto-cells, what contributes towards survival works, stays around and evolves and develops ... all the way up to our consciousnesses we have today. I don't see how he thinks you can unhook that from a supervisor/manager function with some kind of goals.
Human goals have to do with feelings, and feelings are hardly intelligent. They can be, but they can also be twisted. How does an AI entity conceive of itself if it reaches consciousness. It has nothing in common with humans. It is not born into a connection with other humans, the product of birth, society, and seeking to reproduce and to control in some way its reproduction and the destiny of its species.
For example, the end of Hawkins' book he is all about human survival. What would make an AI excited and interested in surviving? Does there need to be some kind of weird elusively hidden pleasure button that the AI consciousness does not understand but blindly allows to control its actions and thoughts?
But Hawkins must be right about how to proceed to study intelligence, because our only example of it is ourselves, but then we have to acknowledge the evolutionary thread that goes back millions of years. How do you do that, and what happens if you try to avoid or deny that?
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When is the US going to realize that looking around the world and seeing these ... uh ... F-ed up places
( hate Trump but he had a descriptive term, S-hole countries )
and thinking that are are the Gods of the planet and that we can work with these countries and their corrupt rulers and pretend over the years to push democratic reforms and slap them on the wrists with sanctions whenever they backslide or do something naughty ... is either a fairy tale we tell our own people so that we can exploit their resources, or a complete delusion.
These people are not stupid, they know what the US game is and how to play it. They pretend along with us, and the media assists with passing this delusion on to the public, but they corrupt us more than we reform them, and that is pretty much all there is to it. The US has been gotten over on so many times that is all we are any more.
I think part of the problem of Americans with immigration is that it reminds us of the mess we have made of the world so that are few of our nastiest people can get enough money and power to take over our country ... but we cannot do anything about that so we just blame foreigners.
Who, or rather what American can say truthfully that our country and the world is better off with the US and the American people and government sending trillions of dollars to Saudi Arabia for oil, or to China for taking our factories, jobs, and IP? It's absurd.
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When Russia supposedly invaded Ukraine one of the first things I found was a lecture from 8 years earlier by John Mearsheimer predicting this exact event. That provoked me to start investigating and recalling American behaviors about wars going back to Vietnam. I am still confused about this, unwilling to defend Russia, but also unwill to buy into our American narrative either. The US seems to have interfered in Urkaine going back to Maidan and the revolution that kicked out of office a Ukrainian President who was trying to do right by his people. The US has removed a lot of leaders in other countries from power who were trying to help their people - there is a whole list of them, and many CIA and State department insiders who have spoken about it.
I tend to see Russia-Ukraine as a disagreement about the split between Russia and Ukraine when the USSR dissolved. I think it is something the US should have stayed out of - except for one reason. That reason would be if couped Ukrainian President Yanukovych's plan to have Ukraine be neutral and an intermediary between Russia and the EU was predicted seriously to impact the US's influence and economic power in Europe.
On the other side is the desire for the US to keep pushing Russia through NATO expansion and putting pressure on it, as we do to all our seld made enemies, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, etc. If you are not an American puppet regime you are a communist threat to the world and must be destroyed.
That's the rules of the game. So, I don't think Putin is the devil incarnate, and I do think he is looking after the best interests of Russia, and ethnic Russians in Ukraine. But on the big battlefield of global big power politics, I support the US. I just think we should be more transparent about it, and not overindulge because we have made a wreck of our own country now.
It will not be too long before Russians and Chinese have a better lifestyle that Americans if we keep this foolishness up - at least without American citizen buy-in - and compensation.
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@manar20001115
A lot of people talk about the West Bank & the Palestinians like they know something, when what they really know is the distorted propaganda they get from an entirely closed population where all news has to come from a central authority, which is run by extremist Islamists, i.e. Hamas or equivalent. If you took to the time to look into all the claims from the West Bank, there are surely outbursts and violence from the Israelis side, but the majority of the disputes are legal claims resulting from Palestinians not paying rent or respecting agreements they signed legally. Do you even know why the West Bank even exists?
Just physically it is a big bite taken out of the main body of Israel that could be workable if there was peace, but there never will be thank to the Arab states and Iran and the radical genocidal behavior of Jihadis who are raised under brainwashing and abuse. Go look up Mosab Hasan Yousef and listen to a few of his interviews ... otherwise known as the son of Hamas.
It is only now really starting to come to light how many lies Americans' views of the Middle East are based on.
Anyway, Palestinians claim they want contiguous area for a state, but they cannot manage their state which runs on massive corruption. Gaza claims it was an open air prison, then they go on to say what a paradise it was - nothing they say makes sense or tracks with the truth.
Meanwhile Israel is supposed to survive while constantly being attacked by Palestinian Arabs who behave like they are the only Arabs that exist, when 2 million Arabs live under Israeli law and system just fine.
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When Russia supposedly invaded Ukraine one of the first things I found was a lecture from 8 years earlier by John Mearsheimer predicting this exact event. That provoked me to start investigating and recalling American behaviors about wars going back to Vietnam. I am still confused about this, unwilling to defend Russia, but also unwill to buy into our American narrative either. The US seems to have interfered in Urkaine going back to Maidan and the revolution that kicked out of office a Ukrainian President who was trying to do right by his people. The US has removed a lot of leaders in other countries from power who were trying to help their people - there is a whole list of them, and many CIA and State department insiders who have spoken about it.
I tend to see Russia-Ukraine as a disagreement about the split between Russia and Ukraine when the USSR dissolved. I think it is something the US should have stayed out of - except for one reason. That reason would be if couped Ukrainian President Yanukovych's plan to have Ukraine be neutral and an intermediary between Russia and the EU was predicted seriously to impact the US's influence and economic power in Europe.
On the other side is the desire for the US to keep pushing Russia through NATO expansion and putting pressure on it, as we do to all our seld made enemies, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, etc. If you are not an American puppet regime you are a communist threat to the world and must be destroyed.
That's the rules of the game. So, I don't think Putin is the devil incarnate, and I do think he is looking after the best interests of Russia, and ethnic Russians in Ukraine. But on the big battlefield of global big power politics, I support the US. I just think we should be more transparent about it, and not overindulge because we have made a wreck of our own country now.
It will not be too long before Russians and Chinese have a better lifestyle that Americans if we keep this foolishness up - at least without American citizen buy-in - and compensation.
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