Comments by "justgivemethetruth" (@justgivemethetruth) on "The Rational National"
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The so-called "Establishment" needs us to think we have a democracy, and that there is some kind of fair fight that is somehow always won by the right-wing. Well, there is not a two party system in the US any longer. Since FDR, the arch-enemy of the Right, all the money, power and focus of the Right has gone into playing dirty tricks on Americans, just like they play dirty tricks in Iran, Greece, Italy, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc to trick the public into accepting a virtual Right-Wing dictatorship. And they won, and have never let up.
Money and success are a weapon. Tax avoidance and financial corruption is a weapon, and it is being used to kill Americans and break up our government and society and to try to implement this absurd fake society, with fake news, and no social contract, no New Deal, nothing, just a virtual slave state for the people on the bottom while the people at the top just keep getting bigger and more powerful and in control of more and more media and wealth.
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Why do people have to agree with everything other people say in order to be accepted?
In general I believe a Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Capitalist/Environmentalist/Western agenda.
Things will be going along great, and then the Middle East comes up as a topic and I have to get slammed as not being a Liberal/Progressive because I think the problem here is of course nuanced, but mostly the problem that the Islamic culture cannot coexist peacefully and tolerantly with any other culture, unless it has dominance over then. I also do think the the problem with the banks is that we are not on the gold standard, or that we have fiat currency.
I think that puts me almost exactly coincident with the Bernie Sanders agenda.
I think a big problem, and the reason we end up following the money agenda is that the issue agenda fragments people who do not really get the idea of civilization or prioritizing or tolerance. There are tons of very stupid and anti-social people both sides that cannot be part of a team, and cannot have a rational discussion about much of anything. These people are so socially isolated that they, in Chomsky's words need to be regimented and distracted like a child or an old person with dementia, and that is what we end up having.
The rest of us who might like to have a more cooperative society, and work in more cooperative groups end up the prisoners of these large groups of people that the establishment has developed herding technology to use against us, and we through no fault of our own are disenfranchised and forced to live under the corporate military junta - with no way to fit in because they have enough people to sustain themselves and do not want to argue or be regulated by people of "minimal or no substance or connection" to the existing system - which they see no problem with.
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I am close to your age and probably of your general generation and I resonate with that remark. I am totally unhappy with the retrograde trajectory the US is on, and I think it started oddly enough I mark it at about the the same the show Family Ties came out in the 70's to counter the Liberal shows. That was when the media figured out how to, and full out started to manipulate the population with all kinds of trickery. It was also when the music scene began to turn from love and peace to ugliness and rap and criminality.
I never thought that the year 2000 which I had always looked forward to as a new better age would actually be a blast back to the past.
Like Hillary, Biden would be better than Trump or any Republican, but he would still be inching backwards in momentum. The thing that stuck out for me in the 2008 election when Biden was running, and why I semi-supported him at that time was his idea to split Iraq into Kurd, Sunni and Shia sectors. I thought that would have worked at the time. Little did I realize the overall plan was the just mess up the anthill of the middle east and let the ants fight it out and destroy their status quo.
Anyway, what takes priority for me these days is America. Not in a Trumpian way, but a reinvestment and reinvigoration of the public sector. To do that I think we cannot destroy or threaten the military junta, but we as citizens must demand our rights and build ourselves up first, before we can do anything else.
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Of "we" Lefties, "you" Lefties are messed up on this Israel thing.
First, Rashida Tlaib, who I otherwise really like, has no business injecting
the Palestinian propaganda. This is almost my whole problem with the Left
which on most other issues I am in agreement - the Israel thing is something
artificial, it is something corrupt, it has been purchased as associative whitewashing.
The Palestinians are about the farthest things from a Leftie there can be. In WWII
they sided with genocidal fascists, and that mentality has not left them since.
There are about 100 Islamic terror attacks on Israel every year, but the only time
we ever hear anything on our media ... our Right-wing media, is there one of these
stupid Left-wing representatives decides to be used by the media to throw negativity
on the cause of the Left.
Furthermore, it would be one thing if the Arab-Israel thing had a solution but the only
solution we understand from radical Islam is their way or no way at all - eternal war.
How does Israel fight and eternal war against crazed poverty stricken brainwashed
Palestinian people who have no say in their government because the source of their
money is external and dependent on how we'll they screw over Israel.
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That's not something I would do.
That's not something I would accept being done to me.
However, Kirsten Sinema has riled people up into Republican dimensions and when you do that you get bizarre extreme behavior. Why is what she is doing in the bathroom, peeing, pooping, hiding out, farting ... whatever ... it makes no difference, any human being deserves to have their privacy respected. Of course, that said, Republicans are an imminent danger to America, and in the name of fighting to end that people do over the top things. Can't condone it, but I do understand it. But I actually do not agree with doing it in the name of immigration. This immigration thing is complex and it is not the real issue right now that is critical, that is whether the Democrats can stand united against insurgent Republicans and get something done.
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More and more I love Michael Moore. He has gone from kind of humorous to being very insightful and serious, and I love that, and I love the sections in his newer movies where he has taken to talking about what the rest of the world is doing.
Now, looking at the Democrats, I think they are not telling us is that if the Liberal Left Democrats start to make headway, and particularly if they threaten to raise taxes or queer the US military junta ... it will raise holy hell in this country and we will see things get as bad as Russia, China, Iran and even North Korea. So, as long as we continue to inhabit consumerism dreamland and don't pay too much attention to what is happening to the average person, the Demcrats will pretend that they are different from the Republicans the fascists who took over after FDR will not gas us, beat us or kill us.
The deal is, if we want this real change, we have to fight for it with about a 60% at least majority just like all those other countries that Moore talks about in his movies. I don't think Americans have the stomach for it, and they can always be starved out or replaced by immigrants.
We Americans do not have the picture, and so we have not developed the overall strategy or the tactics to take on the private armies like Blackwater, Wackenhutt, etc. I think that is the reality.
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Biden is not a bad guy, he is just in the pockets of corporations, semi-dishonest about his liberalism-progressivism, and from the state of Delaware that has deprives lots of other states of corporate tax revenues. He did a terrible job of debating, even Sarah Palin, and because he is such a hypocrite would not even stand up really to Paul Ryan. He is a loser who did an OK job for Delaware because they felt sorry for him. He also just cannot say anything right. The thing I thought Biden had guts for proposing was breaking Iraq up into three countries, and letting the Kurds have a homeland.
The problem is though, if they did that, all the Muslim countries in the area would attack Kurdistan, as they have already been doing, and it would make their attacks on Israel look lclearly what they are, imperialism and oppression. Muslims hate anyone who wants to rebel or go against them - especially if they have reason to.
No, Joe is not a good candidate. I'm still hoping for Bernie.
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A lot of people are saying something like "all the data shows Bernie would have won"
Well, that is nice and I hope it could have been so, but it is not the DATA that matters but the interpretion of the data and the ALGORITHMS used to interpret it, and that is totally dependent on the interpreter and his decisions of what is important and what is not.
In other words you can just point to the data, you cannot say there is any one interpretation. An interpretation can look right, and even be right, but that doesn't mean it can predict anything.
I we/you want Bernie in the White House it is not as simple as saying he'll win hands down, you have to fight and support Bernie all the way, and demand that he overcome the unfairness of the status quo, and that is also unpredictable.
What is totally predictable is if we all band together and make our voices heard loudly, clearly and determinedly we can break the unfair system we die under today and take the best ideas and assert our demands.
But if people do not know, or cannot list and prioritize those demands it will just sound like a bunch of selfish people demanding only their agenda. People need to put selfishness on the back burner and think of what is fair and right for everyone.
You cannot have socialism with anti-social citizens.
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I thought the Daily Kos, whatever the fuck that means, was a Conservative sight. I have not seem much there that appeals to me. This guy has not presence or credibility with me, but I think he has some kind of point about Bernie. Bernie has the heart and the vision and the ideas, but I am in doubt as to whether he has the will, energy, stamina and drive ... and what can he accomplish. Between really the only two acceptable candidates to me, which are Bernie and Warren, Warren has shown executive ability beyond he experience. She actually has a talent for it, and she is a tough driven woman. I love both of these two, and I cannot be excited by any other candidate, but who can go the distance, how is the progressivization of the country going to happen with a plan. Bernie is not showing that like Warren is, and I see that as what this guy is saying. It doesn't mean anything to be because I'm totally happy with either of them.
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Jeremy Corbin is a great leader, but he leads a country that is still very much a vibrant democracy. Go out and search for BBC Question Time some day and spend an hour watching how a real democracy structures its media. I don't mean to say anything against Corbin, but the fight here in America is going to affect every other country in the world, just as the money spent here by a few affects all Americans. I think Corbin is the wrong choice because you have to weight the man by the gravity and power of his country. We are in trouble here and as America goes, so goes the world, so Corbin, great as he is, unless he declares war on Trump he is not going to do the good Bernie can. Nina is great too, but face it, she is not going to be able to gather the political support that Bernie can, fair or unfair, let's deal with reality.
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One thing Liberals do that I think you are doing in this video is focusing wholly on the very poor and destitute. I understand this and agree our society is predatory and we ignore these people, but focusing on them in a current and ongoing way seems wrong, or doomed to failure.
What a good Democratic government has always gone is focus on the future. Give a path to those who are capable of improvement to improve, ie health care and education for example, but we need to devise a system that cares for but does not exacerbate the problem and the number of the really destitute, and does not encourage them to have children they cannot manage.
The other day I heard on "All Things Considered" a women talking about how awful it was that some women in prison were offered sterilization, and I agree this could be wrong if it was done in the wrong way, forced or coerced, but it makes Liberals look terrible to be defending in some way the right of women in prison to have unlimited children, and it turns my stomach.
This seems to me to be one of those things designed to turn the public against Liberals and Democrats. As sad as it seems, or as right-wing as it might make me sound, Liberals are losing badly in this country and they have to be more clever and focus on things that can gain popular support, particularly of the people who flipped and voted for Trump last time - and championing the rights of criminals to have unlimited offspring doesn't seem like a great way to do that ... in fact it seems like a great way to lose.
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I think you are failing to acknowlege that the Democratic party in a national way has to have some way to deal with the Constitution and the fact that all the ... <expletive> fly-over states that are Republican have the marginal number of votes to oppress Progressive Democrats, which is what has forced Democrats to be so centrist, and be so scared of leaning Left past a certain point.
The problems facing Progressive, and Democrats, are systemic, put there, kept there and cherished by the Right-Wing Nazis that run the smaller states and have banded together to make war on the larger more urban and diverse states - and are in fact winning.
What this says to me is that our system just does not work and cannot self-correct. So if Progressives want to be serious they have to go outside the system, break it, and then re-build it on a majority basis, at least Federally. The US is gone at this point, not to be resuscitated.
How long will the denial of this continue, and what will be done once people have it shoved in their faces daily that they have no power and are either enslaved like the blacks were, or cut-off like native Americans were. How many will just take the easy way they are today, working for a living on the hope that they can make it to the end of their lives without having to risk their comfort.
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Do you really think that the people who hang on every Hillary insult are going to be possible Bernie, or Democratic voters if they don't hear about Hillary? And if Hillary is gone, do you really think that Republicans will not talk about her. I think it is more likely that if Hillary is gone, they will bring her back by trying to indict her. This can go both ways, and it is most probably a wash either way. You can see what going with the prevailing wisdom or the pundit's guesses have gotten the Democratic party. The Republicans because of their massive power with money and corporations willing to buy elections have the power.
The Democrats that are still here need to be honest, to say what they mean and do what they say ... really, that is about it. I think they do not because a large number, maybe even a majority of them are virtually paid moles pretending to be Democrats but are really corporate globalists.
But I guess you have to come up with something to talk about every day, and this is probably as a good as anything, I mean, it does make sense.
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This is funny.
In general I agree with a lot of what Sarandon believes, and how she describes things is mostly reasonable and liberal/progressive.
BUT ... the problem with Sarandon is that none of what she says was any kind of argument for not voting for Hillary Clinton once she was the Democratic nominee.
If the Democrats seem corrupt and you do not like them, you are still left with the calculation as to who is better for the country, Trump or Clinton.
It is here that Sarandon goes off track. If war is her criterion, then does she feel more safe with Trump? I sure do not. We knew what Trump was, and we know what the Democrats are, and we would not get a health care or tac reform disaster with Clinton and we may well get it from Trump, which will do significant permanent harm to a lot of people and be very hard to turn around.
So, to the extent that Sarandon is someone that influences other people, and there are probably not many ... she has harmed the country to her support for irrationality.
Oh, believe me, when Bernie lost the primary I was mad and almost determined that I was not going to vote for Clinton, but there really was no choice to me.
Now, in order to get the Democrats to sit up and take note and change, perhaps deserting them might have seemed like a reasonable strategy, but it is awfully dangerous and risky.
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Great channel but it may just be you that sometimes gets things completely wrong and then other times gets things completely right ... you guys need to remember you are expressing opinions and you need to back then up with facts and logic - which you do pretty well for the most part.
The problem with this whole genre is that all of you guys from Rational National to Morning Joe make your money off your viewers and you can never offend them, so most of your energy is spent in trying to tow a certain line ( or is it toe a certain line? ). I don't know the answer or solution to this, but lots of times people do not have anything to say or they are in a bad mood or a having a good or bad day and still have to put something out ... and no one can be brilliant all the time, let alone right all the time.
and since the world has yet to converge to a single political point of view, no one has it right, and doubtful anyone will ... so the solution seems to me to create a system where everyone has a chance to live at the very least and express the individuality and their unique point of view in a way that contributes to the world, and has a duty to avoid those points of view that cause chaos unless it is absolutely necessary.
I think Hillary lost for a lot of reasons, a series of bad judgements, which added up, and then also a very horrible image. She was as fat as a house, and no one wins the Presidency that has been disgusting in their body image. Hillary was acting like she was on her last legs with the videos taken of her stumbling around, and she had to where their big solid primary color suits that made her look ridiculous. She never answered a question with a straight answer, always shifted it and pretended that was the same as taking the high road. She was an OK person, but an awful candidate. Plus all the accusations that people hurled at here that she never just said enough is enough - she did not exude type A leadership in any way.
Better wardrobe by the way.
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David ... what about the opposite effect of talking to the types of people you are careful and patient to tiptoe around so you do not close their minds ... and that is the fact that people like this who as you report share fake news are used to a certain mindset and will often do the opposite with you, because that is what they are all about.
For example, go dissect the average right-winger, conservative post here on You-Tube, or especially on Yahoo, they show up already with severe insults in the first thing they say. They are conditioned to speak and think like that because the people who set up this whole ungodly system know that it fragments people apart and shuts down any hope of communication or even empathy.
They are as trained to hate Liberals by just certain key Pavlovian words as the Palestinians are to hate Jews. When someone is dealing with fake news does it not occur to you that they are probably already too far gone to ever communicate with or show them another way?
The basic transactions in a social society system like this are dysfunctional and toxic and driven as deep as possible into the emotional core of people as possible precisely so that they will never be tempted or able to consider other points of view. It is hard to ever know what might get through to someone so far gone. I know occasionally it does happen but I am not aware of any real scientific analysis of how or why?
Most Progressives, hopefully at least, are able to change their minds, though many are just as knee-jerk as their opposites, because they search for the truth. I think people who do not search for truth are not courageous enough to deal with the truth, and their behaviors are often not because of the truth but because social conditions, as in they are dependent on someone in their lives they have to please. This is just like the totalitarian mindset, and it does exist on the left too, but it is not the nature of the Left as it seems to be so integral to the right.
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It's more like inflation is somewhat of a conspiracy against working people to keep them in line, and poor ... because there seems to be no need for it - except that the government and the people have no control over these rich people and corporations, especially since they control the government. Because this seems arbitrary since it is the power of the corporate monpolies in the case of say energy that have raised the price arbitrarily high just to suck money away from the people - who cares who it hurts.
The problem is that maybe that used to serve some kind of function in the past to maintain order, but today, we don't have need for all this cheap labor, in fact lots of jobs are being replaced already, and the jobs that remain are WHAT? Seems like they are just what schools is for kids, but for adults - just a place to put them during the day to keep them out of trouble! One Progressive econonomist said that all jobs are bullshit jobs.
This is to keep the "means of production" in the hands of the elites, so they can manipulate people, manipulate their lives, manipulate their education and informatoin, their health, their mobility, and today they are all surveilled in everything - how much control do they need anyway?
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READ THIS ..... One problem here is that I have not yet heard even one person acknowledge the significance that Biden is a Senator from Delaware .... DELAWARE.
Delaware is like the original Grand Camens of tax shelters for corporations. Look at some of the largest corporations and you will see that wherever they really are they are "Delaware Corporations". Delaware was, I think, the first state to allow corporations to incorporate there and pay low taxes in order to avoid taxes from other states.
Biden is the original corporatist. He has done nothing to vote to protect and support corporations, period.
Check this out from Wikipedia:
The Delaware General Corporation Law (Title 8, Chapter 1 of the Delaware Code) is the statute governing corporate law in the U.S. state of Delaware.[1] It has been the most important jurisdiction in United States corporate law since the early 20th century. Over 50% of publicly traded corporations in the United States and 60% of the Fortune 500 are incorporated in the state.[2]
Delaware adopted on March 10, 1899, a general incorporation act aimed at attracting more businesses. The group that pushed for this legislation intended to establish a corporation that would sell services to other businesses incorporating in Delaware.[4] Before the rise of general incorporation acts, forming a corporation required a special act of the state legislature. General incorporation allowed anyone to form a corporation by simply raising money and filing articles of incorporation with the state's Secretary of State.
Delaware charges no income tax on corporations not operating within the state, so taking advantage of Delaware's other benefits does not result in taxation.[23] At the same time, Delaware has a particularly aggressive tax on banks that locate in the state. However, in general, the state is viewed as a positive location for corporate tax purposes because favorable laws of incorporation allow companies to minimize corporate expenditures (achieved through legal standardization of corporate legal processes), creating a nucleus in Delaware with operating companies often in other states.[24]
In February 2013, Economist published an article on tax-friendly jurisdictions, commenting that Delaware stood for " Dollars and Euros Laundered And Washed At Reasonable Expense ".
No income tax and lots of Banks. That is where Biden lives.
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OK - “It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets. I want to dive into the whole god damn ocean,” he wrote. “ - that is pretty objectifying and offensive, and it gets worse. That part does not sound a bit like he is joking or being sarcastic.
But, ah, what are we going to do now with everyone, go back and look at their Google search history and check every website they went to? Are there no rules of standards for any of this? I have to admit I would never think to say anything like that at all, let alone under my full real name and doing business as title. That is insane, unless he is trying to get a job with the porn companies in Florida,
What did people think of this and how did they respond to it at the time? That is, what was the context of these remarks please?
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- Sarandon is not a working feminist, put it that way. I agree with that
stand, that the social change we need in the US is not going to be the
result of all the little minorities working separately, we need standardization
for everyone ... equality. Health care, education, infrastructure, living
wage ... not just special programs like the Republicans have for all
their billionaire big-shots and corporations to the point where nothing
is clear or understandable.
- I think that Sarandon has the same angst that most of us on the Left
do, that Obama was a creature of Washington and played all of us, and
that goes for Bill Clinton, and kind of the same with Hillary. I think much
less of Obama than I did the night he was elected.
- What we are hearing a lot of is not sexual harassment, and Hollywood
and FOX News is driving a lot of it for political purposes. The absurd
attacks on Al Franken are just weird. The terms for what he allegedly
did are not sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape or any of it, and it
is nauseating to see Americans being manipulated by what anyone
with a brain could parse out very quickly. It sounds like some of these
woman are so desperate to be Republican-ly relevant that they are
thinking of their hips as their butts just to smear Al Franken. I have
not followed Sarandon's comments on this situation, but now the
issue is so clouded by the very media that is supposed to report,
inform and clear it up that it is hopeless ... so I think she is probably
sensibly pragmatic on that.
- I do think she is wrong about Clinton. There would have been a
great difference between Clinton and Trump, and that is where I don't
get Sarandon. I felt like here for quite a while after Bernie got cheated,
it burned by britches so bad I did not know what to do. I really hated
Clinton, and I hated her again when he she did not give the VP spot
to Bernie. That was pure politics, probably based on how she undercut
Obama in several ways as Sec. of State. But, by election time I had
to accept the only sensible way to make any difference was to vote
for Clinton, and support Bernie over the next 4 years.
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This is a complex discussion. For example, let's go hypothetical, if the people elected a ton of progressive democrats, and they tried to implement a leftist agenda, universal health care, free education, living wage, full employment, environmental regulation ... I think you'd see so many assassinations it would make your head spin. The billionaires and the super rich would shut the country down, pay no taxes, bribe people with guns to created a standing private army ... like Blackwater ... and tear this country down to retain power. But, if that doesn't happen, the people will just get ground into the dirt, as happened in Europe before the revolutions. One way or another this is not going to turn out well. We reward psychopaths and make them super-rich and leaders, and then we wonder what is wrong? The people are just as bad. As soon as any of them get something they want that they consider enough, they stop participating and do not care about anyone else or their problems. Bottom line is that most people are creeps. Humanity could very well be doomed just by our very nature.
But, do not lose all hope, we can at least try ... let's get Bernie Sanders in there and see if he can make a difference.
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@BenWeeks
> Friedman argues that capitalism needs to be constrained by laws and regulations.
I'd agree with that, and I think most people would agree, at least publicly.
> As long as regulators have integrity, good laws and enforcement power that should
This is the core of the problem, Pikketty's book "Capital in the 21st Century" shows that capital grows faster than wages in every case. If you are to have meaningful and effective regulation, you must recognize and counter this trend or you get into a class warfare on the poor situation we are in today ... and it is not just the poor. America has always exploited the poor and the weak, and even manufactured them but exploitation.
When people are allowed to get so rich and powerful they grow apart and insulated from everyone else and end up thinking of the rest of us as an exploitable resource and use their money and power to capture the regulators.
> Once people know slaves are used they can choose to stop buying that brand
This is the problem too. Even today people know for example blacks are exploited in the South, and they just do not care. It is not their problem and the general tenor of the society is to be cold and merciless. I know this is not only the South by the way, but that is the center of it, as Saudi Arabia is one of the centers of Islam.
Competition is the thing that most companies will do anything to avoid, and what the super-wealthy in American have done as well in school and in corporate jobs - you get nowhere if you are not connected, and they limit the connectivity to outsiders.
Petersons is a shill for the right wing. Hard to blame him because he'd have to get a normal job like everyone else if we was not a Right-Wing fake celebrity.
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Dear Rational National,
You know you have reached a point where your journalism and editorials are so biased and so dependent on a self-selected audience that you cannot interact or respond to questions or debate, only pander to your audience ... which is just what the Right-wing nuts thrive on.
To wit:
I've left many questions and comments for you to react to, and have never gotten an acknowledgement or response from you. Here is some thoughts on the Palestinian-Israeli situation that maybe you could consider?
Criticism is supposed to be constructive. But all I see from the Left ( and on all other issues I am solidly on the Left ) is repetetive and relentless attacks and blame on the Israeli government without thought or analysis - and certainly they offer no other alternative as to how Israel can defend itself.
Why is there never any investigation as to what Israel is facing in terms of terrorism from Palestinians - who again publicly state that their goal is not peace or statehood, but the destruction of Israel. Why not a little criticism of that - ever? Why are the Palestinians and Palestinian terrorism never addressed except as the undeserving victims of Israeli defense, otherwise called abuse or apartheid?
We see ONLY plenty of blame cast on Israel for its reactions, but we never hear about what Israel faces and is reacting to. In the case of today Sept 2022 there have been over 100 terror attacks in Israel, but I've never heard of a single one in the mainstream media, or the Left Wing media.
Instead of trying to deny this - which is totally true, why don't you work toward really press freedom and truth and demand objective journalism - because all this bias does it to tell viewers that the Left spokespeople are as bad as the Right spokespeople - and drive them away from the Left. My thesis is that the money people who support the Left are actually Right-wing and they do it in order to subtly turn people away from the Left to protect their vicious global oligarch franchise or exploitation of all of us.
Most of the Left media is subtly designed to discredit the Left. Listen to Tlaib whine about Israel - not to mention she is totally biased and it is not what she was elected to do.
Finally - South Africa was apartheid - for no reason other than oppression of blacks and to steal their lands. Apartheid is about oppression, Israel's walls and defenses are to protect the country and citizens from terror attacks from radical Muslims who want to kill them and destroy their country. Blacks in South Africa were all about their own human rights and freedom. Palestinians could have self-governance and their own state in 10 minutes if they quit their terrorism and stopped blaming Israel, Jews and the West for all their problems.
Finally, as an exercise for the viewer ... how is Israel wanting to have a Jewish state any different from the oppressed Kurds who want to have a Kurdish state?
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Cenk claims he is no longer a Muslim too, but when he had that 3 hour epic long debate with Sam Harris he sounded very defensive of "The Prophet". So, that is sort of OK because I listen carefully to what people say, and often Cenk expresses Progressive values very well, so on those occasions I agree with him. It is just not good to decide that one really likes someone and so must agree with them all the time.
I did not know Cenk used to be Conservative, but I do remember looking up and finding the funding, at least the initial funding for TYT was from a Conservative. So, I am looking for why and what is going on with the Conservative ownership of Progressives voices?
Having heard some of what Cenk said that was deemed offensive, it was more extremely immature, like adolescent fantasy talk, and very stupid, very, very stupid. It sounded to me like anyone who would talk like that, or write like that, was mostly concerned about being a celebrity and politics and ethics came a distant second if not worse.
There was always something about the discussion with Cenk in the center presiding over a lot of kind of titillating sexual-related stories that I always used to wonder ... what are they doing talking about this stuff on a political show. I thought it was more to attract an audience that was not patient enough to talk just about political issues, but now I think it was more, there was something wrong about that, and while i got used to hearing that and mostly tuned them out, I did like the interviews he did with Bernie Sanders and Jane Sanders, and some of the other work he did. I felt that proved his Progressive bona fides and it was not necessary that everything he did in his life was perfect, but I can see why this happened in today's almost nonsense climate.
Which is also probably a good time to express that I don't that many, or as many as I think women coming out and accusing predators and harassers - and I wonder why that is. In fact it almost seems like as many women came out to point the finger at Al Franken as the total that came out about other harassers. That's an exaggeration, but Franken was slammed in the media like no one I have ever seen with accusations that were trivial compared to Cosby, Weinstein, Trump or Roy Moore. I felt like this was all staged for the public in some way.
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@4 Lights There Are
Honestly, I think more and more that somehow, using some new software technology, that what is being presented to us online is fake, and when these fake behaviors and ideas are presented as normal, people robotically accept the reality and just do the same thing they see others doing - just like children. It is like "Lord of the Flies" where behavior, thought, morality all just fly out the window when what is presented as average and the norm has no limits on it. All I see in the media, the news, even both sides is idiotic junk.
There are several areas where the "repugnance" or the Right are matched on the Left, but the main thing is that this hostility and immaturity makes sure there is actually no social or political discussion and thus no compromise, not moving forward, and no democracy.
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I think a lot of young Lefties do not know how to put this in perspective.
They see the Democratic party as being afraid of Bernie Sanders.
Personally, I am a big supporter of Senator Bernie, and I see him
pretty much as the only path to fix what is really wrong with the
country.
Biden is OK, but there are a few things wrong with him policy wise:
1. He is the corporate candidate from Delaware, the original corporate state.
2. He is very establishment.
3. His foot in mouth problem, including his twisted quote today about guns.
4. In the VP debates Biden just sucked, even against Ryan who he should have trounced.
Biden would be just another temp Democrat because the public
is mad at the Republicans. Biden would do nothing to really fix
the problems of the country - he has said nothing about what is
going on. He is some interest group's stealth candidate.
That said, it is also important to remember the long term horrible
stench of defeat of George McGovern, a far Left anti-War candidate
in the 70's who lost by the worst landslide every in the history of
the US.
That is when Democrats started to change and become less
Liberal, and did not defend or support Unions, and did not defend
or extend the FDR legacy - they ran from it. That really pissed me
off, but it is understandable, as is their embrace or at least testing
Joe Biden. People say they will vote for Bernie, but if the Republican
can fear-monger the socialist again, it may be another big defeat.
So, try to understand and be patient with an old and rigid
institution. If you want to changed the Democratic party, you have
to support it and work hard. Not too many Liberals will really do
that. They are great at slinging facts, they are great at calling
names now that they match the Republicans on that score, but
as the left election showed - Liberals are not great at showing up
to vote - very low voter turnout in 2016.
If Democrats are not going to show up we are going to get candidates
like Biden or Clinton.
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People only would consider Biden because they do not want Hillary. The big question is, since Hillary did win the popular vote, is that going to be some kind of argument for her to run again ... and turn all of our stomachs? If she made it through to the election, I'd have to vote for her again against Trump ... but yuck. The other side of that is can Bernie really win in a real election, not just a poll, and if he gets elected without a powerful Democratic backing, what would the next 4 years look like?
I still do not trust the Democratic party machine, Clinton, Brazile, Biden, any of them. Robert Reich's new movie "Saving Capitalism" on NetFlix says what I want to see the Democrats talking about, but they are still going to try to corporatize and clintonize the country ... and people do not want that.
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