Comments by "justgivemethetruth" (@justgivemethetruth) on "The Real News Network"
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Russia is not really capitalist, but even if it was, what makes you think that all capitalist countries are the same or have the same agenda or can get along?
Russia and the US increasingly diverge from the civilized principles of Western democratic tradition. Russia has never really been about Western society or economics, it has been about building a military structure to hold all its lands together ... that is more the same kind of thing the US has been doing, but in a different way.
The US began to go off the rails after WWII when FDR had more or less the same agenda as the Western democracies. The rest of the West held the course with a partial socialist, partial capitalist democracy, while the US diverged into a military superpower, slowly corrupted by the secrecy, money and power inherent in the need for the military industrial complex.
The US put all its energy into defense, offense, empire, and played a game of competition with Russia, and Russia at the same time. The US took on more than it ever could have done, and so bankrupted itself, as it claimed happened to Russia, only instead of going broken it just sold off its internal system, taking from its people, as China has done, but in a different way, while the same with Russia.
All 3 systems have been on the edge of war because the military industrial complex in each system has taken over each system, but in slightly different ways, and they have all different mechanics of expansionism.
This is complete idiocy, except that the US clings to its freedom to point to its superiority even as it is now the least free country in the West. The US relies now more on propaganda and coercion to keep people inline and working and paying their taxes, while it has no intention of balancing its budget by taxing the people with the money or the stake in its power.
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I have problems with the idea of American exceptionalism, whatever the "F" it is supposed to mean, but it is not an idea that has gone away or turned into a joke. There is something about America, if it is just its place geographically or historically. We seem to be doing our best to make the concept repugnant, but the US and the idea of the USA has been a beacon to a lot of people in the last 100 years. Today a lot of people I talk to that have emigrated here tell me they would rather go to other places but it is so easy to get into the USA. No more melting pot, not more classless society, so it is valid for people to question this idea today, but relatively in the past the US has at least held up the ideals, even if we have not carried them out. It is sad, I wish I could say the US was even more exceptional that we claimed, but in a predatory capitalist system the number one first lesson to learn is bait and switch, brand and exploit the brand.
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The leaders of the Progressive movement seem to have as their goal creating a movement that is so offensive to the moderates and Conservatives that the Right is also mobilized to fight and offend the left ... thus keeping the people out of politics and bickering between themselves while the elites make off with all the loot and capture legislation and policy.
If you divide politics into two reasonable factions, right and left, they both have their constituents ... basically the right is for institutions and corporations and the left is for people. The left should limit its scope to human rights, social and economic justice issues. Quit trying to tell the military what to do and how to act, geo-political realities are not the purview of the left, except in special cases, such as Viet Nam in the 70's, and Central America in the 80's, and the Middle East in the 90's and on ... the Left can speak up, but it will end up fragmenting the society and it does no good.
We need both sides of the country to work together. They don't have to agree, but they need to balance their needs rationally against the other side. Right now the US is tilted way over the to side of the rich and corporations to the point that people are hurting, and the corporations are acting without constraint - and hurting the people and the environment.
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@CaravanseraiSouthValley
In theory, I agree with much of what Hedges says. The problem is Hedges has no real experience of understanding of our government, how it works and why it is impossible to change. Sure, if there was an upswell of activism across the country a the local level things might change - but what things and how? Furthermore, the people are so fragmented that they don't even go out and vote.
Another thing about Hedges that disgusts me, along with Chomsky and most of the far Left pundits who I used to follow assiduously, is they are constantly side with Palestinians 100% and 0% with Israel. I consider myself far Left, but Palestinians have no claim to a role in the Left ... and that is disgusting. Whenever you hear these pundits, and organizations like Democracy Now! never reporting both sides of this issue, you know they are fake.
So in political theory the Left is great, and reporting news with respect to the Liberal, Progressive, Tolerent, democratic point of view, they are great, but they shift over to Middle Eastern horror terrorists 100% and never report on Israel, or what the Palestinians do to bring police actions against them. I have no interesting in Hedges, Chomsky or any of this clique.
They are liars and cannot be objective. They only tell the truth to establish a base, and then they corrupt them with lies.
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So, your answer would be yes then, right. That's what I asked.
So, Iran's Shia Muslims are voting FOR all that religious oppression then? You do understand that the religious authority has more power than the President as well too, right?
The NYT article said Mr. Rouhani has promised economic growth and greater freedom of speech and of the press. So, if Iran has all this freedom and democracy that you say, why do they need to promise greater freedom or speech. Because you and I both know that in Iran if you say the wrong thing and get attention for it you can end up dead or in prison. But, you are fine with that and argue that one election means that Iran is as democratic as Israel, right?
You and I might agree that Iran is changing, but that is coming from pressure from abroad as more Iranians become city dwellers and are exposed to outside ideas. I am sure Iran will get there eventually, but Israel is already there and has been since its inception, so I guess we can agree to disagree despite your daring opinion. You know the reality of Iran just like most other people who follow it, and you know that you get nowhere in life unless you are a devout Shia Muslim, and on women's rights Iran may be ahead of Saudi Arabia, but that is not saying much.
But you can amuse and shock people by making such claims.
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This guy and his family, the Barghoutis, are rich as hell. They go around the world,get the best medical treatment, the best education, eat the best food and can do what they like while they beg for money for terrorism against Israel, all the while their fellow Palestinians live with violence the terrorist thugs supported by these people have to endured, poverty, lack of health care, lack of education, while these Barghoutis blame it all on Israel. Nice gig I guess if you are a Palestinian and you like being a fascist.
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He's right, and Thomas Frank's book Listen Liberal talks about this as well as some of his others - how totally money driven the government is, and especially the Democrats. What else could they do though, unless they were prepared to go full socialist, or whatever you would call this - because it would basically be taking money from taxes and funding government elections.
I don't know if that would be good, or bad, or whether it would work or not, but it is a huge change, and how can you make a decision like that, or a change like that, against the basic American system that it is all about money? Clearly being driven by money has its "defects", in the same way that having government policy being driven by the average ignorant people would. At a time when we have a population that has some large percentage of people who support a criminal like Donald Trump, it tells us there is something not right or unworkable about pure democracy.
We hear about going back the to Powell Memorandum, and that is a powerful argument, but how else can this would work? You have to prove it, and to prove it to a plurality to the people who run the country that it is a good idea - democracy and voter representation be damned. They are not going to listen, but there is also nothing to listen to. I mean, personally I find the argument that national universal health care will be much less expensive and much more effective, but how can a change like that be made?
And the people we have on the side of the Left, like this gloomy looking guy with this thick propaganda and blues music with only poor black people marching? Not that I have anything against that, in fact I support it - but it is a good PR move to start all his shows like that, appealing only to poor black people, and behaving like race really is the issue with the implication that white people in general are to blame.
Both Hedges and Kucinich make their livings off the backs of a certain political group that they will not alienate - same with the Republican, though the Republicans are pals with the people who really make money and the make the policies to back them up.
I don't think in all Hedges life he has ever done anything to empower the "Left". They are placeholders in our political system that talk a certain way, but in the end divert the energy and discussions of the Left and Progressivism into dead ends while pretending to be Progressive. Are they incompetent or working against the Left in their own way?
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And who ends up owning all of this is the largest most powerful, unelected, anonymous blocks or block of capital ... MONEY.
And do we know who or what that is, what is their goal? NO.
Do we know where that capital came from ... how far back it goes ... conquest, slavery, genocide, the Mafia, the Nazis, The Bankers, the British Royalty ????
Doesn't there need to be some kind of transparent system that keeps an eye on everyone and everything ... but as powerful as we are today ... who do we trust to run that ... and even if we trust did or do trust someone, how easy it is to attack them in the media for some other power block of capital or power?
It is time that we all need to wake up, to accept responsibility and meet and minimize demands on us all to be able to manage in a distributed, fair and just way the resources of the planet to the equal benefit of us all.
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You have to be able to balance two or more variables in your head at once. The most Stein could accomplish is to get in the debates, but it is almost too late for that. She is not going to get elected, she would not make a President, and she will not be allowed to be President. So, the result would be to take away votes from Trump or Clinton.
If you hate Clinton, you are a Republican.
If you are blah about Clinton, you have to realize she is better than Trump, and with a Bernie VP might actually follow a more New Deal agenda.
What is going on with Trump is tricks, lies, and vapidity. Trump has only really come out solidly for more tax cuts, even as he has talked about fixing the budget or defaulting ... and you can bet if he defaults it will be to cut everything but the military ... the road to fascism and militarism.
It is like you have to vote for either Trump the Dr. Evil from the Media, or nothing ... autopilot for 4 more years. I prefer nothing, anything but Trump.
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What I am saying is that if you bother to listen to Hedges, and others, they are the ones that lack logic. Very similar to what happens on the Right, the icons of intellectually weak and ignorant people who don't understand the issues just follow those who have built up their trust based on "words and editorials" on non-related issues to an agenda that doesn't work.
My logic would try to ask people - with the leaders we have on the so-called Left, what have they gotten done, and what do they have a prospect of getting done in the future if you listen to and follow their current rhetoric.
You snap into defensive mode and start insulting me shows you are brainwashed with this reaction which is as unproductive as anything on the far Right. I would not be a bit surprised if Hedges, Chomsky and other "progressive" political icons were actually working in, for or with the far Right military industrial complex - because to me, all that matters are results.
I've never seen any of these people actually working to brainstorm, discuss, plan and lobby in a reasonable way as a business organization would do to pursue its goals. They just show up to tell you pretty words, and sell their books, videos and collect speaking fees.
When nothing gets done and the government moves more to the Right and these people don't do anything different, you should at least be willing to be critical and maintain an open mind.
Does this sound like someone with an open mind?"
>> you've decided to waste your life on peacocking, all feather & no fly.
Whether I decide to invest the time to argue with you has no bearing on my critiques of Hedges or anything else. You have not demonstrated your ability to do anything but insult and task me with answering questions you will just disagree with.
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Because as you found out, but still don't seem to understand, when you do not vote, or when you vote for a marginal candidate that is statistically not in the running, it is like giving free votes to the worst candidate. I suppose of some of my fellow Liberals are too fucking stupid to figure this out, I am the intelligent Liberal just have to pound sand because you are not going to learn shit or help the cause.
In fact, there were actually plenty of trolls, and you may even be one, that egged people on to not vote, or vote for Jill Stein, or even the nutso governor or Arizona, Gary ??? something I forget now.
You cannot look at and grab at what you prefer, like a little kid reaching for chocolates ... because in the case of a vote you cannot get something ... you can only help sway large numbers. There were two choices - Clinton or Trump,
It was easy to see what was going to happen with both.
- Tax breaks for the rich vs. the middle class
- Some evolution of ObamaCare vs. end ObamaCare and throw millions off insurance, and cost others many billions more dollars.
- Some evolution on student loans and college versus Trump University.
You'd have to be an idiot to tell me you do not get that.
The problem with Democrats is that they are lazy and stupid. They stupid for the reasons above, and lazy because they usually do not even vote in off-Presidential election ... and that is why the house and senate are full of republicans.
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I'll insult you again too, because if you are even reading you are not comprehending. I am not defending the Democratic Party, I am against deserting the short cut to getting power in this system by taking it back under control of the people, instead of trying to re-invent the wheel. Trying to get the Green Party up to the power and branding of the Democrats is not going to work, and meanwhile every election the Liberals/Left will lose. How much longer do you think that can go on? The Democrats are practically gone in terms of representation.
Again, most people vote for President and then whine for 4 years without doing or following anything,. You want change, you have to find out what is going on and tell other people. You have to fight the power, not go over and play cookies and milk with the Green lady who has no political experience.
You see how even people in his own party are attacking Trump ... what do you think it would look like if it was Stein, who has no party solidarity behind her? You know I am right, but you refuse to accept it, that is what makes you that name that I called you.
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Does anyone realize just how much of the "news" here is the thinnest of innuendo, the use of the word "bragging" with respect to President Obama ... this is the opinion of Paul Jay and sets a whole antagonistic tone from the start ... without any reasoning, facts or proof. The "Real News" just imposes its framing, that it never questions ... just as say Noam Chomsky tells us about the hypocrisy of the US state, there is also hypocrisy and propaganda coming from these organizations on the Left, but there is not answerability or codification as to what is the "Left", what it believe and what criterion it uses to decide if something is positive or negative, except each individual announcers opinion. They talk about a Right-wing conspiracy, while they are just as uniform in their opinions and do not allow anyone to have a different opinion. This is not politics, or demcracy ... I don't know what this is, but this is not an opposition or contrary view.
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Thanks, that is a good thought, but I think I might have looked there in the past. I don't know why there is this very powerful motivation in the modern Conservative media to eviscerate the influences of FDR and replace it with Ronald Reagan. Reagan started these huge pointless deficits, so the strategy of the Libertarian Conservative movement even at this time put his plan in motion and we see it coming to fruition now. Instead of looking honestly at how to tweak these programs so they work better we find they are totally condemned and a brutal class war on the middle and working classes is raised as the moral alternative ... immoral I'd say.
FDR's programs led to better growth than Reaganomics ... that is, voodoo economics, and a trend towards less inequality and justice, whereas Reagan's elitist, globalist regressive policies has led to low growth and killing deficits, and revealed a lot of the most activist people at the top to be of the ilk of Donald Trump, aloof, arrogant, rotten people who only care about amassing more money and power.
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There are a few things I learned growing up that strongly affected me at the time, but I got no indication that anyone else I knew or who was in my life or scope that it mattered to others in the least, or it was somehow quietly accepted.
The Native American genocide ( I did not even know the word genocide as a young boy in school ). Black slavery. Then I heard about the Holocaust ( something that was not American finally ). And then as a teen I began to hear about Vietnam, and not only that but that I might be forced by our government to participate in that conflict.
How is that not enough to fuck up the minds and traumatize anyone in our society, whatever side of these issues you thought you were on, to know that instead of contemporary secular modernity we really lived in the past. A past that included more war, thievery, sadism, rape, destruction ... more than is even imaginable.
Then, living in CA I had the chance to meet people from Viet Nam when they emigrated to the US when their country was totally ruined.
Given those milestones of monstrosity in history, if you pay attention and read you learn to fill in the blanks and come to some kind of understanding, or terms with the barbarism of the world, and the hypocrisy of the West ( because it is not just America, though we may have prevailed in power after WWII for various reasons ).
Instead of the beacon of hope for the world, every evil, dictatorial or greedy actor in the world focused on our country, came here to American, invested, grew their evil in a place that was historically just as evil or more - the new garden of the new fascism.
So we have two Americas, the inchoate progressive state that Real News, Oliver Stone, Thomas Frank, and many other write about and hope for, and the hard reality of money and how it has been used as a bludgeon to make the USA the most hated and feared country, despite our leading visions and free speech for all the good stuff.
I don't agree with a lot of what RNN says or editorializes on, I see the world as complex and in a pragmatic light, but RNNs videos and visions are important in terms of showing people another way to see things and facts they do not normally consider.
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