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Comments by "Catherine Birch" (@catherinebirch8263) on "Bernie Sanders Talks Famine in Gaza, Conditioning Aid to Israel, u0026 Netanyahu's Right Wing Extremism" video.
So ... why not vote in the majority? Answer: because it isn't the same.
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I disagree with most of what Bernie has to say, and some of it is just plain incorrect. The idea that Israel is accepting tens of billions of dollars from the US while still telling the US what Israel itself is going to do is not at all absurd IMHO. It’s much like my nephew who continued hitting his brother no matter how many times his parents kept telling him to stop. Why stop when there are no consequences? And in the case of Israel, the US hasn’t even TOLD it to stop. And in the case of my nephew, at least his parents didn't hand him a stick. Or a bomb. Bernie is also wrong that it is illegal for Israeli to block American humanitarian aid to Gaza while receiving financial aid from the US. Yes, that is contrary to a US law. However that law applies to the US, not to Israel. It is the US that is breaking its own law by continuing to GIVE the financial support. It is not against the law for Israel to continue RECEIVING it - US law has no standing in Israel. Frankly I find it quite worrying that a US senator believes that US law applies to the rest of the world. We don’t have One World Government … yet. (I do however agree with Bernie that blocking humanitarian aid is obscene.) I ALSO disagree with Bernie that the immediate concern in Gaza is to feed starving people. At least, not while they’re still being bombed. It’s entirely analogous to advice about what to do after being snake bit - first and foremost avoid further snakebite. Then treat it. Stop bombing the Gazans.
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Obama is incredibly charismatic, and probably a good man in many ways. However killing bin Laden seems to have been some kind of turning point in his regard for non-American human life. I can kind of accept that killing bin Laden might have been necessary and if Obama had said he regretted the necessity but there was no choice, I wouldn't hold it against him. However he didn't say that; he bragged about it. Repeatedly. Then, after having opposed the death penalty in the US, he issued kill orders for Muslims overseas without trial. He kept sending drones to kill them, although there were repeated accidental killings of their neighbors and families instead. So he had zero moral authority on the issue of protesters against killing Muslims in Gaza inconveniencing the conference.
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Mumbling about how killing tens of thousands of civilians is all a bit much didn't solve the problem. Neither did promising to get some food to people before they get killed. Even deciding not to veto a UN resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza (as opposed to actually supporting the ceasefire) didn't do it. For goodness sake, what does one have to DO to continue arming and funding ethnic cleansing with less domestic electoral risk? Deploy the token Socialist! (No offense to Bernie; I believe he personally is sincere. However the hypocrisy of the US Government is so blatant it's cartoon-like. Seems like delay, delay, delay is the watchword for 2024 all around. Waiting with bated breath to see what the next deflection will be.)
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Just yesterday they murdered four aid workers, including one Australian, and their driver.
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Of course they are. Why do you think the Democrats are doing everything they can to get those young voters onside again. They've said that killing tens of thousands of people was a bit much, they've talked about how frustrated they are - they've even deployed The Socialist. What more do you want them to do - stop arming and funding the massacres?
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Ben - there IS no traditional left/right divide on foreign policy. No substantially. Mostly just on how it gets talked about. When push comes to shove the US always acts to boost its Military-Industrial complex. Frankly, that’s been the foundation of US wealth and power since at least WWII. Bernie’s question about whether the US really believes in democracy is absurd. Of course it doesn’t. Not only has it never hesitated to crush fledgling foreign democracies which don’t give the US enough financial benefits, it has fallen well behind the rest of the Western World in achieving a democratic system of government. Trump is only one of many elected officials who've progressed from adopting corrupt behavior once elected to seeking re-election purely for the purpose of "representing" the highest bidder instead of those who elected him. And it's legal.
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But ... but ... wouldn't that be ethnic cleansing? Isn't it impossible/forbidden to think that the ethno-religious group that suffered the most famous case of ethnic cleansing in modern history would perpetuate the same against another group that was in their way?
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Yeah. It's just like if your Mum served dinner an hour late. Nothing to see here.
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