Comments by "Pantherparatrooper" (@506thparatrooper) on "EU Debates | eudebates.tv" channel.

"Germany's laws prohibit incitement to hatred, Holocaust denial and personal insults—especially when amplified online. The country's courts have ruled that reposting defamatory content can also be a crime. The punishment for violating these laws can include jail time for repeat offenders. However, in most cases, judges impose a stiff fine and sometimes confiscate offenders' devices. German prosecutors told 60 Minutes that their work ensures democracy remains intact by preventing harmful rhetoric from spreading unchecked. Dr. Matthäus Fink, one of the prosecutors leading these efforts, told '60 Minutes' that many Germans are shocked to learn their online comments could be considered criminal. "They say, 'No, that's my free speech,'" Fink said. "And we say, 'No, you have free speech as well, but it also has its limits.' " 60 Minutes 16 FEB 2025
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If he said this in Germany, it would be a crime. Germany's laws prohibit incitement to hatred and personal insults—especially when amplified online. The country's courts have ruled that reposting defamatory content can also be a crime. The punishment for violating these laws can include jail time for repeat offenders. However, in most cases, judges impose a stiff fine and sometimes confiscate offenders' devices. 60 Minutes 16 FEB 2025
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World leaders like Finnish President Alexander Stubb? "I agree with Vice President JD Vance that free speech needs to be the core values of what we do, who we are and our values. We might have slightly different views on how it is conducted but that’s part of free speech. I think our problem in Europe quite often is we talk a lot and we do a little." 15 FEB 2025
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Here's some clarity. Lots of respect for brilliant Kaja Kallas and yet she consistently reveals the typical selective European bias towards the US-if any thing is wrong in Europe, America must fix it. For 14 years Europe ignored Russia's threat to Europe after Russia's invasion of Georgia and then Ukraine. NATO membership would be cheap for Ukraine and most of Europe not paying 2% of GDP for defense for decades. Very expensive for the US consistently paying 4% of GDP assuming most of the financial burden of defending Ukraine and 32 NATO countries. For decades, the US paid 2/3rds of NATO's annual financial expenses while paying the expense of stationing 100,000 plus American Soldiers in Europe and 1 of 3 NATO allies out of 28 paying at least 2% of GDP on defense. Ten years after Russia's first invasions of Ukraine in 2014, only 23 of 32 NATO allies met their 2% GDP commitments. The German Defense Minister admitted to a DW Report that Germany could not find 3 billion of the 3.5 billion Euros promised to Ukraine. Help me with the logic of blaming America.
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Stop symping and acting like women need to be defended!
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Finnish President Alexander Stubb, "I agree with Vice President JD Vance that free speech needs to be the core values of what we do, who we are and our values."
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Finnish President Alexander Stubb, "I think our problem in Europe quite often is we talk a lot and we do a little. I agree with Vice President JD Vance that free speech needs to be the core values of what we do, who we are and our values. We might have slightly different views on how it is conducted but that’s part of free speech." 15 FEB 2025 The CBS News piece showcased how German authorities crack down on online speech deemed harmful or offensive under the country's stringent speech laws. The report documented early-morning police raids targeting individuals suspected of posting content that could incite hatred, including insults and even memes. Dr. Matthäus Fink, one of the prosecutors leading these efforts, told '60 Minutes' correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi that many Germans are shocked to learn their online comments could be considered criminal. "They say, 'No, that's my free speech,'" Fink said. "And we say, 'No, you have free speech as well, but it also has its limits.'" 60 Minutes 16 FEB 2025 Americans Shocked by '60 Minutes' Report on German Speech Policing
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For 80 years, Europe needed to get its act together. President Stubb's European plan is President Trump's plan already in motion: 1 pre-negotiations, US began in Munich, Saudi Arabia, multiple conversations with EU, Ukraine & Russia. Second phase ceasefire, for weeks President Trump attempted with Zelenskyy including signing the rare earth mineral agreement. After multiple closed door meetings with Zlenskyy agreeing with US leaders to sign a minerals deal, Zelinskyy days later claims to reject or make new demands. The third phase: US mediates between Ukraine and Russia. Nothing is done without Ukraine. Like the EU, President Zelenskyy talks of more war with the US paying the bill. In addition to the $175 billion in five US Congressional appropriations bills in aid to Ukraine, $106 billion directly to Ukraine, are US billions of dollars of Presidential . Additionally, US sent since August 2021, $27.688 billion from DoD stockpiles. The US provides spaced paced technology Europe cannot provide totaling billions of dollars in operating costs for satellites, GPS navigation and encrypted communications. Europeans do not want to talk about the total costs of support because it would reveal how far they lag behind after decades of defense cuts.
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@CMDR_Hal_Melamby Typical European bias that anything wrong in Europe is America's fault so America must do more. Fortunately, I never landed nor hit my head too hard during any PLF! I appreciate your concern.
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As Europeans like to remind everyone, America at its strongest was in 1939. This is why even the British empire had to turn to the US for the war planes, tanks, ships, ammo, etc. Should work out really good. Let us know how that Russia situation works out without America.
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Lithuanian Defense Minister Dovile Šakalienė "In one week (Europe) moved towards higher defense budgets and decisions regarding money accumulation and dropping certain criteria regarding defense industry and a lot more one week more…in the past few days I’ve heard more colleagues of mine saying that 5% is not nuts but what they are going to do. The United States gave a very unpleasantly, quite a painful kick, where it hurt now. We can stand up. 25 FEB 2025 YES Gathering Kyiv  "Talks are just empty words if there is no money on the table. We will have to put that money on the table now. We have debt of over seven decades to United States all over Europe. Okay? Our region probably three decades because we were occupied before that but nevertheless United States paid for European security this debt with interest." Munich 15 FEB 2025
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Europe ignored that valid point for 80 years! Always comes down to honoring your NATO article 3 commitments with money. Article 3 of the North Atlantic Treaty (NATO) requires member countries to maintain and improve their ability to resist armed attack. This article is based on the principle of resilience, which includes being able to prepare for, respond to, and recover from threats. Lithuanian Defense Minister Dovile Šakalienė "In one week (Europe) moved towards higher defense budgets and decisions regarding money accumulation and dropping certain criteria regarding defense industry and a lot more one week more…in the past few days I’ve heard more colleagues of mine saying that 5% is not nuts but what they are going to do. The United States gave a very unpleasantly, quite a painful kick, where it hurt now. We can stand up". 25 FEB 2025 YES Gathering Kyiv
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Multiple EU citizens died on 911 so it was an attack on more than one NATO ally. The European response was primarily air defense planes since America's planes were supporting operations in Europe. There are American graves in Europe for WW1 116,516 and for WW2 183,500. Both wars that America fought against an enemy who had not attacked America initially. Lots of respect for a Kaja Kallas and gratitude for Estonia, all the Baltic States, Poland and many European countries support to America. I honor those 12 Estonian warriors. Very disappointing to see such a brilliant lady as Kaja Kallas resort to the European who gave more game which Europe overwhelmingly loses. I propose she might learn from Lithuanian Defense Minister Dovile Šakalienė: "We have all been shaken a bit I’d say over the course of the past four days. In Brussels I saw a very interesting change in the room full of my colleagues. In the course of 24 hours went from this illusion that the United States are going to defend Europe. We came to the realization that we are going to defend ourselves with the help of the United States and that’s a bit different formula. We will have to put that money on the table now. We have a debt of over seven decades to the United States all over Europe. Okay, our region probably three decades because we were occupied before that but nevertheless United States paid for the European security debt with interest." Munich Security Conference 15 FEB 2025
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And a whole lot of foolish Europeans and Canadians refusing to take responsibility for the mess they created! For 14 years Europe ignored Russia's threat to Europe after Russia's invasion of Georgia and then Ukraine. NATO membership is cheap for Ukraine and most of Europe not paying 2% of GDP for defense for decades. Very expensive for the US consistently paying 4% of GDP. President Trump was mocked for calling on Europe to meet its NATO Article 3 obligations. Ten years after Russia's first invasions of Ukraine in 2014, only 23 of 32 NATO allies met their 2% GDP commitments. The German Defense Minister admitted to a DW Report that Germany could not find 3 billion of the 3.5 billion Euros promised to Ukraine. As always, Europe will do nothing because Europe can do nothing!
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The more important question is whether the European Union knows what it means to lead. The fact the EU "woke up to war in Ukraine" eight years after it began with Russia's two invasions and subsequent annexations in Ukraine in 2014. This would lead any objective person to say the EU is incapable of leading. The EU made no contribution to the ceasefire in Gaza and the hostage release.
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Unfortunately that arrow needs to be aimed at the Europe she represents. For 14 years Europe ignored Russia's threat to Europe after Russia's invasion of Georgia and then Ukraine. NATO membership is cheap for Ukraine and most of Europe not paying 2% of GDP for defense for decades. Very expensive for the US consistently paying 4% of GDP assuming most of the financial burden of defending Ukraine and 32 NATO countries. For decades, the US paid 2/3rds of NATO's annual financial expenses while paying the expense of stationing 100,000 plus American Soldiers in Europe and 1 of 3 NATO allies out of 28 paying at least 2% of GDP on defense. Ten years after Russia's first invasions of Ukraine in 2014, only 23 of 32 NATO allies met their 2% GDP commitments. The German Defense Minister admitted to a DW Report that Germany could not find 3 billion of the 3.5 billion Euros promised to Ukraine.
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Where was this "strong union's" leadership after Russia's two invasions and subsequent annexations in Ukraine in 2014 and the third invasion in 2022? When they send over $30 billion Euros annually to Russia for LNG/ oil?
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@platinum2905 Logic and deep thinking like sending Russia 30 billion Euros annually for LNG/ oil for 10 years after his first two invasions of Ukraine? Euros he uses to build weapons destroying Ukraine and threatening Europe. Same young and old EU who mocked then President Trump for calling on them to adequately fund their own collective defense and stop buying Russian LNG/ oil.
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Whenever Ukraine's surrender of Soviet nuclear weapons is discussed, there is no mention of the crushing financial burden for Ukraine of securing, storing and maintaining hundreds of nuclear weapons. Had Ukraine kept these nuclear weapons which Russian targets would she use them on while avoiding a Russian nuclear response?
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@ personal insults.
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@ Someone who says they are your friend but lets you walk off a cliff is no friend. The friend will tell you. Finnish President Alexander Stubb "I agree with Vice President JD Vance that free speech needs to be the core values of what we do, who we are and our values. We might have slightly different views on how it is conducted but that’s part of free speech." Munich 15 FEB 2025
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Lots of respect for brilliant Kaja Kallas and yet her typical selective European bias towards the US-if anything is wrong in Europe, blame the US and demand they do more, is showing. For 14 years Europe ignored Russia's threat to Europe after Russia's invasion of Georgia and then Ukraine. Jens Stoltenberg, former NATO Secretary General, "On Ukraine, NATO allies back in 2016 and 2014 after the annexation of Crimea was that we should not provide lethal aid to Ukraine because it would provoke Russia and that was why we did not provide so much lethal aid. It was President Trump decided to start to provide lethal aid and the Javelins. So the first Javelins were provided under the previous Trump administration. I can say Trump can be quite strong on Ukraine." Davos 23 JAN 2025 NATO membership would be cheap for Ukraine like it is for most of Europe not paying 2% of GDP for defense for decades but very expensive for the US consistently paying 4% of GDP while assuming most of the financial burden of defending Ukraine. For decades, the US paid 2/3rds of NATO's annual financial expenses while paying the expense of stationing 100,000 plus American Soldiers in Europe. The US was 1 of 3 NATO allies out of then 28 paying at least 2% of GDP on defense. Ten years after Russia's first invasions of Ukraine in 2014, only 23 of 32 NATO allies met their 2% GDP commitments. At the Munich conference, the German Defense Minister admitted to a DW reporter that Germany could not find 3 billion of the 3.5 billion Euros promised to Ukraine. Democrat President Clinton failed to get the US Senate ratification of the Budapest Memorandum and creating a treaty obligation for the US defense of Ukraine. Democrat Presidents Obama and Biden failed to defend Ukraine after invasions.
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At least alone we won't be broke paying the bulk of her allies's defense expenditures like the past 75 years. I'll take those odds. Not sure Europe will fair so well.
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Here's some facts: NATO membership is cheap for Ukraine and most of Europe not paying 2% of GDP for defense for decades. Very expensive for the US consistently paying 4% of GDP assuming most of the financial burden of defending Ukraine and 32 NATO countries. For decades, the US paid 2/3rds of NATO's annual financial expenses while paying the expense of stationing 100,000 plus American Soldiers in Europe and 1 of 3 NATO allies out of 28 meeting their Article 3 obligations. Ten years after Russia's first invasions of Ukraine, only 23 of 32 NATO allies finally met their 2% GDP commitments. During this conference, the German Defense Minister admitted to a DW reporter that Germany could not find 3 billion of the 3.5 billion Euros promised to Ukraine.
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