Comments by "Don" (@dct124) on "Conservative Twins"
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In certain parts of the US you can literally be arrested for saying profanity to a police officer which is why I said, "just a general rule of thumb."
Now, I'm no Lawyer or Attorney however there's many whom handle these types of issues so I'll make it easy for you, and everyone else.
Oh and if you come to Virginia, I strongly suggest you keep your tongue and that of any associates you may have in check. Those officers were being NICE 👍🏾
Unprotected Speech
There are categories of speech that are explicitly not protected. These free speech exceptions may be deceptively easy to tick off on a list, yet confoundingly nuanced in how they are applied. Often, it can come down to interpretation. And despite federal constitutional jurisdiction, states and even local municipalities can have their own spin on what constitutes “disorderly conduct.” Where you are can make all the difference whether you can be legitimately arrested and charged.
There have always been recognized limitations on speech. Generally, you cannot make statements that incite illegal activity or imminent violence (“fighting words”), and it is acceptable for laws to restrict speech considered obscene, defamatory, or creating a foreseeable risk of harm. As you can imagine, there’s a lot of grey area. Further, not only what and how you say something, but where is critical.
The shelter of the first amendment does not extend to private spaces, such as shopping malls or on the internet (we may think of these as modern-day town squares, but they’re not—somebody owns them, and can establish their own limits). And when your words are accompanied by gestures or actions perceived as threatening, the speech itself is no longer protected by the First Amendment.
Anti-Profanity, Obstruction, and Disorderly Conduct Laws
Local laws and cultural standards may support broader limitations on expression. For example, several states have anti-profanity laws on their books, including in Virginia, where it’s a misdemeanor to “curse or abuse” anyone, “under circumstances reasonably calculated to provoke a breach of the peace.” Within that state, local municipalities such as Rockville go further to restrict profanity within hearing of any other person on any public street or sidewalk.
Similarly, some states use statutes regarding disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace as a vehicle to limit language considered offensive. For example, Texas’ disorderly conduct statute includes using “abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place.” If convicted, a Texas disorderly conduct misdemeanor may be punishable by a fine of up to $500.
Conversely, the state of Washington has determined that cursing and using abusive language against police is protected speech under the First Amendment, and does not constitute sufficient conduct to support a charge of obstructing law enforcement. In State of Washington v. E.J.J., the case mentioned at the start, the Washington Supreme Court dismissed the matter, stating that “obstruction statutes may not be used to limit citizens' right to express verbal criticism, even abusive criticism, at police officers.”
In Florida, courts have found that “mere” yelling or swearing that is loud, belligerent or annoying is not enough to support a disorderly conduct conviction.
Here's my source: (I can find others, but I'm sure you know how to use Google or YouTube search) https://www.superlawyers.com/united-states/article/can-i-be-arrested-for-swearing-at-a-police-officer/f890598f-67e9-409b-bd4f-f3d50a705c46.html
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🤦🏾♂️ now y'all crying smgdh 🤣 shouldn't have been talking shit. If you want to vent, go see a therapist. If you want change go to your local mayor's office. This not how you voice your concerns and frustrations about your city or state, it will never end well for you and it will cost you in more ways then one.
Guess what, if someone robs you on the way home from your police protest or assaults you or crashes into you, you will call the police and you will ask for help 🤷🏾♂️
I don't know the full story but, you don't just randomly get killed by a police officer. You're more likely to die by things you do to yourself than a cop or firearm. Just watching this video all I see is potential heart disease, cancer, diebetes, stroke, kidney disease, alcohol, falling, lung disease, drug overdose, etc. Even the dog was muzzled.
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Ground level, there's many people pissed off at the looting and rioting from both sides.
I personally hate Democrats and Republicans; not the people but 'American politics as a whole.' The shit don't work. The reason I fucking hate both sides; you're both thick headed. My way is better than your way, both sides sound like 2yr olds comparing toys; my GI Joe is better than your Transformer. No it's not, mommy! Timmy said his toy better than my toy. Johnny your GI Joes are superb, there young, on the front line and fight the good fight.
Now to address the twins here, bros did you two not see the man with a bow and arrow about to shoot people? Tell me he's Democrat. Pls. Did you not see the National Guard take commands from their SO "Light'em Up!" Am I military no am I cop no am I an Officer yes. I got friends who served in all branches, one now finishing up her inactive duty with the National guard, a buddy who spent nearly 20yrs in the Marine Corp. who said that shit wasn't right. Two Sheriff's I grew up with since I was 8.
MLK said rioting is voices not being heard.
You don't come back and tell the public oh yeah he had underlying conditions, so yeah we bought let dude off. That's what triggered people. In no way do you hold a person screaming for help for 9min bro. You guys have common sense and I'm with you, the rioting is ridiculous and if you were out their you'd also realize its both sides on the street protesting. You're both military, so you should know how this works, there's at least 2 to 4 primary ass hats to initiate the bs.
People have lost eyes from the rubber bullets. You might laugh because you were trained for this, these people are not, so instead of sitting on your ass use your platform beyond tearing down and trying to further divide both sides and inciting more adjitation to the mix.
What you're displaying is the same restraint these fucked up cops display, let that sink.
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@robertmccready5874 Yes, I understand all that you said, in both post, but you didn't read everything. There's no new ground to be made. I addressed everything completely already..........
Already addressed every possible avenue including supreme court and other states. Not by theory but from an >>>>>actual *LAWYER* <<<<<<
Post from above you did not read
In certain parts of the US you can literally be arrested for saying profanity to a police officer which is why I said, "just a general rule of thumb."
Now, I'm no Lawyer or Attorney however there's many whom handle these types of issues so I'll make it easy for you, and everyone else.
Oh and if you come to Virginia, I strongly suggest you keep your tongue and that of any associates you may have in check. Those officers were being NICE 👍🏾
Unprotected Speech
There are categories of speech that are explicitly not protected. These free speech exceptions may be deceptively easy to tick off on a list, yet confoundingly nuanced in how they are applied. Often, it can come down to interpretation. And despite federal constitutional jurisdiction, states and even local municipalities can have their own spin on what constitutes “disorderly conduct.” Where you are can make all the difference whether you can be legitimately arrested and charged.
There have always been recognized limitations on speech. Generally, you cannot make statements that incite illegal activity or imminent violence (“fighting words”), and it is acceptable for laws to restrict speech considered obscene, defamatory, or creating a foreseeable risk of harm. As you can imagine, there’s a lot of grey area. Further, not only what and how you say something, but where is critical.
The shelter of the first amendment does not extend to private spaces, such as shopping malls or on the internet (we may think of these as modern-day town squares, but they’re not—somebody owns them, and can establish their own limits). And when your words are accompanied by gestures or actions perceived as threatening, the speech itself is no longer protected by the First Amendment.
Anti-Profanity, Obstruction, and Disorderly Conduct Laws
Local laws and cultural standards may support broader limitations on expression. For example, several states have anti-profanity laws on their books, including in Virginia, where it’s a misdemeanor to “curse or abuse” anyone, “under circumstances reasonably calculated to provoke a breach of the peace.” Within that state, local municipalities such as Rockville go further to restrict profanity within hearing of any other person on any public street or sidewalk.
Similarly, some states use statutes regarding disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace as a vehicle to limit language considered offensive. For example, Texas’ disorderly conduct statute includes using “abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place.” If convicted, a Texas disorderly conduct misdemeanor may be punishable by a fine of up to $500.
Conversely, the state of Washington has determined that cursing and using abusive language against police is protected speech under the First Amendment, and does not constitute sufficient conduct to support a charge of obstructing law enforcement. In State of Washington v. E.J.J., the case mentioned at the start, the Washington Supreme Court dismissed the matter, stating that “obstruction statutes may not be used to limit citizens' right to express verbal criticism, even abusive criticism, at police officers.”
In Florida, courts have found that “mere” yelling or swearing that is loud, belligerent or annoying is not enough to support a disorderly conduct conviction.
Here's my source: (I can find others, but I'm sure you know how to use Google or YouTube search) https://www.superlawyers.com/united-states/article/can-i-be-arrested-for-swearing-at-a-police-officer/f890598f-67e9-409b-bd4f-f3d50a705c46.html
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