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  1479.  @kennedysan1045  sure... Just look at New York City. If you take them out of the equation, U.S. numbers aren't that bad. Hell, the State of New York ain't that bad. They lied, regarding wearing masks... New York Times, Feb. 5th, " wash your hands, ditch the mask" U.S. Surgeon General, Feb. 29th ... don't wear masks.... They were also told it was safe to use mass transit, without protection....This created a huge outbreak, at rates more than double that of Italy... who was expanding lockdowns, at the time. Then all eyes were on NYC. All the hype, all the panic, all the denial on the part of the politicians, who didn't want to discuss their deceitfulness and gross negligent behaviour. So the lockdowns began, after it was too late. And the lockdowns will be no more effective than if they had just told people the truth, and made masks available. In fact, doing so would have stopped the sudden exponential rise in covid patients, in the first place. Those countries without drastic shutdowns, who were honest with their people, and who respected the people enough to trust them to use good sense, will likely see better numbers, once this settles down, by summer. So it's not too late to abandon this notion that lockdowns, and mass unemployment, and who knows how many bankruptsies, is our only course of action. South Korea was several weeks ahead of the U.S., so it was just a matter of looking at how their approach was working. But no, that was not the plan. The democrats had it all set up to run all their pet projects/earmarks thru congress, unchallenged... Look into that scandal... 6 trillion $$$ is just the beginning. Last count, a few days back, it was costing over $400,000.00, per week, per covid death, just in unemployment payouts. And that number will be in the millions of $$$ per week, per death, as the death rate drops, and the unemployment rate continues to go up by the hundreds of thousands, on top of the 16.6 million put out of work, already. And that doesn't include the billions of $$$ in business bailouts, and said earmarks. So they can come up with trillions of $$$ for payouts, but cannot manage to get masks to the people at a tiny, tiny fraction of the cost... Capitalism didn't fail you, the democratic party fucked you, ass to mouth.
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  2497.  @DoraKage  my best friend died when we were 30. I distinctly recall wanting the entire world to stop, and take notice... Didn't happen, of course. As far as it being an un-natural virus, it is indeed from a natural progression, due to foolish behaviour. It was inevitable, as virologists have been pointing out for decades. This is not china's first time doing this. On that note, it was already spreading throughout the world, when we were told it was only in china and asia. Serology tests are now showing this. Your uncle's passing is actually one of only 0.0003% of the pop. who passed due to covid, which i understand does not reduce your pain of personal loss, but imagine being a leader of your country, and telling over 10 million people they need to lock down, indefinitely, to save 3/10,000's of one percent of the population. It just doesn't fly, when you understand the actual numbers in their rightful context. But hype it up to the point which it has been, and it becomes easy to ignore context, and create great fear. My aim is to distill that fear, and end the fearmongering, whenever possible. The economic strife, and the resulting death and despair, will dwarf covid deaths, which to me is a slap in the face to both the dead and living. It is those causing this situation that care not for human life, not those of us who are trying tp end the propaganda craze. And I am trying to bring attention to the fact every country has failed their seniors, which usually only results in more sweden bashing. Too many just do not want to look at the facts, but instead just keep throwing up death totals, without any thought to the overall situation.
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  2713.  @jameslydon3314  I don't know if I would say they "stole it" but here is an article from USA Today. (I cannot confirm or deny its absolute accuracy.) Jerusalem has been captured and recaptured at least 20 times. It's been claimed by about as many countries and empires, and by three of the World's major religions. Here’s a brief history of how a humble village on a scrubby hilltop became the Holy City that provoked centuries of dispute: 3,000 to 2,500 B.C. — The city on the hills separating the fertile Mediterranean coastline of present-day Israel from the arid deserts of Arabia was first settled by pagan tribes in what was later known as the land of Canaan. The Bible says the last Canaanites to rule the city were the Jebusites. 1,000 B.C. — According to archaeological evidence, King David conquered the city. He was warned that "even the blind and the lame can ward you off," the Bible says. He named his conquest The City of David and made it the capital of his new realm. 960 B.C. — David's son Solomon built the first Jewish temple. The Bible says the Israelites also fought many wars against another Canaanite tribe called the Philistines who lived along the southern coastline. 721 B.C. — Assyrians conquered part of the land of Israel called Samaria, and Jewish refugees fled to Jerusalem, causing the city to expand. 701 B.C. — Assyrian ruler Sennacherib laid siege to Jerusalem. 586 B.C. — Babylonian troops occupied the city, destroying the temple and exiling many Jews. 539 B.C. — Persian King Cyrus the Great conquered the Babylonian empire, including Jerusalem. 516 B.C. — King Cyrus allowed Jews to return to Jerusalem to rebuild. The Jews built the Second Temple. 445-425 B.C. — Nehemiah the Prophet rebuilt the walls of the city. 332 B.C. — Alexander the Great of Macedonia took control. After his death, his empire was divided into four, including the Seleucid Empire that contained the land of Israel and their ancient enemies the Philistines (Palestine). 160-167 B.C. — The Jews' Maccabean revolt, launched against the Seleucid Empire and Greek influence, eventually returned the city to Jewish control. The Jewish holiday of Hanukkah celebrates the purification of the Second Temple after the Maccabees reconquered the city. 141 B.C. — The Hasmonean dynasty of Jewish rulers began, and the city grew. 63 B.C. — Roman General Pompey captured Jerusalem. 37 B.C. — Roman client King Herod renovated the Second Temple and added retaining walls, one of which remains today and is called the Western Wall, or the Wailing Wall by Jews. 30 A.D. — Jesus was crucified by the Roman soldiers. 70 — During another Jewish revolt, the Romans destroy their Temple and exile many Jews. 135 — The Romans rebuild Jerusalem as a city of their own. 335 — Roman Emperor Constantine built the Church of the Holy Sepulcher over the spot where Jesus was said to have been buried and to have risen from the dead. 614 — The Persians capture Jerusalem. 629 — Byzantine Christians recapture Jerusalem. 632 — Muhammed, the prophet of Islam, died and was said to ascend to heaven from a rock in the center of where the Jewish Temple used to be. 637 — Caliph Omar entered the city to accept the surrender of its Byzantine ruler, the Patriarch Sophronius. 691 — The Muslim shrine known as Haram al Sharif, or the Dome of the Rock, was built around that spot where Mohamed was said to have risen to heaven, remains there today. 1099-1187 — Christian Crusaders occupied Jerusalem, claiming it as a major religious site. 1187 — Salladin captures Jerusalem from the Crusaders. 1229-1244 — Crusaders recapture Jerusalem twice. 1250 — Muslim rulers dismantle the walls of the city. 1517 — The Ottoman Empire captures Jerusalem and Suleiman the Magnificent rebuilds the walls from 1538 to 1541. 1917 — The British capture Jerusalem in World War I. 1948 — The state of Israel is established, dividing the city between Israel and Jordan. 1967 — Israel captures East Jerusalem and immediately annexed it, granting Arab (Palestinian) residents permanent resident status, but not citizenship.
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  2917. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE What type of camera was mounted on the restaurant? According to the original footage, camera 2 is stationary. Yet it does not appear to be stationary in this edited footage. (Swings left then right, as Floyd is helped up, and is walked past the hydrant.). According to the commentary in this video, the officer unholsters his gun. Why not show this from the clear view from behind? ( This happens before the driver moves to the other side of the street and would certainly have been caught on video. ) The view from behind shows Floyd having to be pulled from his car, and the original camera 2 footage shows Floyd falling down next to his own car, shortly after being handcuffed, indicating he was intoxicated, just like the store clerk said when he called in. Additionally, there is no one right near the scene when Floyd falls again, and allegedly claims to be claustrophobic; something that was apparently not a problem while spending several years in a jail cell. Nevertheless, he was definitely resisting arrest; not to mention the obvious impaired driving. This does not appear to be a completely honest report of the events. And what if Floyd had killed a kid, while driving around high on meth and drunk??? What if it was your son or daughter killed by this known repeat offender? Illegal arms charge, cocaine charges (3×), armed robbery and threatening a pregnant woman at gun point. What if it was your son or daughter killed by this "gentle giant"? It's hard to phathom how people can consider this dreg, a hero and victim?
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  3377.  @adamfrbs9259  wow, a personal insult, shocking. Sweden implemented moderate measures in terms of public behaviour, but so did those claiming to be in lock down. Day cares and schools were still operating, caring for children of thousands of "essential workers". Grocery clerks were not wearing masks. Much of the Construction Industry was running. Etc.. So both strategies failed to actually eliminate the virus, meaning it's still around, just in varyiing concentrations. And the demographics regarding the vulnerable have not changed, nor has the virus in this regard, leaving the elderly still at risk. My point is, half assed lock downs, coupled with a campaign of conflicting reports, hyteria, and a lack of certain data, resulted in the same outcome Sweden had... Lots of dead seniors in long term care, and nearly no school children, teens, or young adults. And under 60, the death rate drops significantly. So, basically anyone of school and/or working age were safe to go about their business. But the media made it out to be the case that since the virus was spreading rapidly among most age groups, it was therefore equally as virulent among most age groups, and hyped up the few younger deaths that did occur, early on. It is too early to discount herd immunity. Case data and serology testing show a wider spread among a large populace. Maybe not as wide spread as is required for herd immunity, but this does not mean herd immunity is impossibe; only that we're not there yet. And why would this be? While the media was shoving case numbers down our throats, the reality was, positive test results were always in the single digits, even though the majority of the tests were being done on folks with some sort of symptom of something or other. And as testing was increased, and expanded to include more of the general public who had no symptoms of anything, the positive test numbers dropped significantly. This all points to a much lower r0 value, which would explain why herd immunity is taking longer than expected. And this would be good news from an evolutionary perspective, seeing as it would indicate the virus has not perfected it's ability to spread, and still needs to be of a significant "load" to be infectious.
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  3437.  @Gregorypeckory  Israel is a Democratic, Secular State, that gives full Citizenship/Rights to all of their Citizens, regardless of Ethnicity and/or Religion. In fact, 21% of their Citizens are Arab/Muslim. So, your "ethnostate" comments simply do not apply to Israel. Moreover, the Land was not stolen. It was bought and paid for. This is well documented. And yes, many people were displaced during the partitioning, but every effort was made to limit this. And if one takes the time to look at what actually went on in the Palestine Region during the 1910's thru 30's they would see it was the Arabs who drew First Blood, each and every time. It's all documented, and there are plenty of docs here on youtube showing the history of the conflicts that arose, due to the Arab uprisings against the Brits and the Jews, in response to Jewish Immigration to the region. Genocide? Hardly! If one looks at Gaza's birth, death, and migration (i.e; immigration vs. emigration) rates, they will see Gaza's population has grown well above average, over the last decade. As for the West Bank, you need to look into the agreements made between Israel and Jordan, and why "demarcation lines" were drawn, rather than actual Borders, after Israel won every War against them, and gained territory each time. As for the alleged "land grab", post WW1, all of the Syrian Region, and the huge majority of the Palestine Region were given to the Arabs. The relatively small portion remaining was partitioned by the U.N., in 1947, by a vote of 33 to 13 (Britain abstained from the vote, btw.) Shortly thereafter, Israel was established, on mostly desert and swamp land, and the Arabs were offered the remainder. But that wasn't good enough. The Arabs wanted it ALL, then... and still do, now. And that is why they declared War on Israel in 1948, 1967, and 1973, and have refused every offer of yet another Arab State in the Region, over the past 75 years.
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  3548.  @mjy87  Here, read this: On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable. This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State. ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL. WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel". THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations. THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel. WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations. WE APPEAL — in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months — to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East. WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream — the redemption of Israel. PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE ALMIGHTY, WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR, 5708 - 14TH MAY,1948.
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  3549.  @catboi1188  Here is the History of Jerusalem. Whose Land is it???? Chalcolithic Period (4500-3200 BCE) 3500 BCE - First Settlement of Jerusalem Early Bronze Age (3200-2220 BCE) 2500 BCE - First Houses Built in Area Middle Bronze Age (2220-1550 BCE) 1800 BCE - Construction of First City Wall Late Bronze Age (1550-1200 BCE) 1400 BCE - First Mention of Jerusalem in Cuneiform Amarna Letters Iron Age I (1200-1000 BCE) 1200 BCE - Jerusalem is conquered by Canaanites (Jebusites) Iron Age II (1000-529 BCE) 1000 BCE - King David Conquers Jerusalem; Declares City Capital of Jewish Kingdom 960 BCE - David's Son, King Solomon, Builds First Jewish Temple 721 BCE - Assyrians Conquer Samaria; Refugees Flee to Jerusalem and City Expands onto Western Hill 701 BCE - Assyrian Ruler Sennacherib Lays Seige to Jerusalem 586 BCE - Babylonian Forces Destroy Jerusalem and Demolish First Temple Persian Period (539-322 BCE) 539 BCE - Persian Ruler Cyrus the Great Conquers Babylonian Empire, Including Jerusalem 516 BCE - Cyrus Permits Jews in Babylonian Exile to Return to Jerusalem; Second Temple Built 445-425 BCE - Nehemiah the Prophet Rebuilds the Walls of Jerusalem; City Confined to Eastern Hill Hellenistic Period (332-141 BCE) 332 BCE - Greek Leader Alexander the Great Conquers Judea and Jerusalem 332-141 BCE - Ptolemaic and Seleucid Rule in Jerusalem Hasmonean Period (141-37 BCE) 141 BCE - Hasmonean Dynasty Begins; Jerusalem Again Expands Limits to Western Hill 63 BCE - Roman General Pompey captures Jerusalem Herodian Period (37 BCE - 70 CE) 37 BCE - King Herod Restructures Second Temple, Adds Retaining Walls 30 CE - Jesus Crucified by Romans in Jerusalem Roman Period (70 - 324 CE) 70 CE - Roman Forces Destroy Jerusalem and Demolish Second Temple 135 CE - Jerusalem Rebuilt as a Roman City Byzantine Period (324-638 CE) 335 CE - Church of the Holy Sepulchre Built 614 CE - Persians Capture Jerusalem 629 CE - Byzantine Christians Recapture Jerusalem from Persians First Muslim Period (638-1099 CE) 638 CE - Caliph Omar Enters Jerusalem 661-750 CE - Jerusalem Ruled Under Umayyad Dynasty 691 CE - Dome of the Rock Built on Site of Destroyed Jewish Temples 750-974 CE - Jerusalem Ruled Under Abassid Dynasty Crusader Period (1099-1187 CE) 1099 CE - First Crusaders Capture Jerusalem Ayyubid Period (1187-1259 CE) 1187 CE - Saladin Captures Jerusalem from Crusaders 1229-1244 CE - Crusaders Briefly Recapture Jerusalem Two Times Mamluk Period (1250-1516) 1250 - Muslim Caliph Dismantles Walls of Jerusalem; Population Rapidly Declines Ottoman Period (1516-1917) 1517 - Ottoman Empire Captures Jerusalem 1538-1541 - Suleiman the Magnificent Rebuilds the Walls of Jerusalem British Mandate (1917-1948) 1917 - British Capture Jerusalem in World War I Divided City (1948-1967) 1948 - State of Israel Established; Jerusalem Divided By Armistice Lines Between Israel & Jordan Reunification (1967-Present) 1967 - Israel Captures Jerusalem's Old City and Eastern Half; Reunites City
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  3957.  @deathstroke334  "LOOK INTO IT" ... STFU, already, and learn a little actual History. After the Bar Kokhba revolt, the Romans named the rather expansive Region Syria-Palestina. Over the Centuries, the vast area changed hands many times. Post WW1, (and the fall of the Ottomon Empire), the Brits and French were given Mandates over the S-P Region. Several new Arab States/Countries were formed. In particular, the huge majority of the Palestine Region was given to the Arabs, and renamed Trans-Jordan... which eventually became Jordan. The little that remained of the Region was Partitioned by the U.N., by a 33-13 vote, in Nov. 1947. This paved the way for the Zionist movement to declare Israel a State, in 1948. But before this Partitioning, the Arabs, seeing the Jewish migration to the area, rose up against the Jews, throughout the 1920's. The Jews (and Brits) fought back rather successfully. So the Arab inhabitants were then told by their Leaders to leave the area, and return after they eliminated the Jews from the area. Well, they failed to do so. And this was the beginning of the Arab Refugee problem. (Note: the Arabs that did remain were eventually given full Citizenship in the later formed Israel). The Muslim Arab Leadership said they would declare War on the newly formed State of Israel, if it actually happened. And they made good on that promise, and thus the 1948 Arab-Israeli War commenced the very next day. 5 Arabs States, along with backing from the Soviets attacked Israel, but lost the War, AND Territory, i.e; Gaza and the West Bank. Then they tried again, in '67, AND 73... And again, they lost to Israel.
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  4501.  @elizabethlibero1878  that depends on the situation. Just like construction ppe, there is a time and place. And I don't know what you consider social distancing to include, but again, I would ask sick people to stay at home, if they had a serious case of the flu, or wear a mask at work. Case in point, Last fall I was in direct contact with at least 4 people with pneumonia, at work. I passed it on to my elderly mother, and developed some mild symptoms, myself. That sucked, but we got thru it. And yes, these people needed their weekly income, so... That said, I will be more cautious next week, when I'm at their place. We have already discussed basic measures we must follow to keep them safe. But they know the risks, and I was informing them about how to protect themselves weeks before the media or gov't did. I also predicted the mass breakouts in elderly care facilities, and was glad they were in their own apartment. So I think I have a pretty good handle on the situation. But as for wearing a mask while bicycling or hiking a trail, no, completely unecessary. And when I shop, no, I do not wear a mask, but I am always careful not to cough or sneeze on anyone or anything, by keeping a hanky or kleenex at the ready, as well as keeping my distance from others as much as is reasonably possible.... Basic stuff... And if a sickly person or someone who is overly fearful, chooses to expose themself to such a public setting, it is their responsibility to take the necessary precautions., i.e; mask and glasses, and hygiene.
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  5205.  @StonesSticksBones  "so many >>>believe<<< he did so multiple attestations (which is nowhere near what you originally said)" I said "seeing as his >>>popularity<<< has lasted so long". "We have the writings of Paul" I also said "It was agreed that there was insufficient (i.e; little to no) solid >>>Extra-Biblical<<< evidence of his existence" Paul's alleged writings are not Extra-Biblical. And if you think stories, such as Paul falling to the ground on his way to Emmaus, is/are original to him and the N.T. writings, you are mistaken. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOrc_kwcU4&list=PLBusV_6zTi_hyM_UnT2Ry7hPpq3dSFp97&index=2&t=725s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NFQ9cF94jU&list=PLBusV_6zTi_hyM_UnT2Ry7hPpq3dSFp97&index=1 And yes, I'm quite familiar with Ehrman, and I would argue he is another who's belief in an Historical Jesus is driven more by the notion he must have existed, than he did. He was never able to convince me, otherwise. "There being a historical figure at the core of Christianity is utterly uncontroversial among historians/classicists/researchers studying the period" ... and yet, it remains a controversial subject, even among such scholars, to this very day. hmmm? Two things to remember: 1) No one has had everything cross their desk (as in you saying " I've never heard any scholar ever say anything even close to "he must have existed""), and 2) Some folks are more easily convinced than others, especially seeing as abandoning one's beliefs/faith can be very traumatic for some.
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