Comments by "Sea to Shining Sea12 Sea12" (@SeatoShiningSeaSea) on "Johnny Harris"
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@alaska8429 Spain did not treaty over California or SW to independent Mexico. Mexico claimed the territories, yet these territories were not involved in independence from Spain, on the other hand, Russia already had outposts in California, having explored the Pacific coast at least two centuries earlier. Spain abdicated the territories and Mexico claimed. Mexican officials were considered strangers in these territories causing revolutions, the population seeking independence and had developed relationships with Americans upon their settling in the west along with commercial trade via the Old Santa Fe Trail Missourians and mountain men fur trappers/traders. These territories were just sparse population out in the middle of nowhere for over two centuries, but not unknown to either the United States or the young Mexico, previously under Spain but was disconnected from other parts of New Spain in distance, isolation, history, culture, politics, geography, tribes etc. In fact, Spain was unable to develop a camino to New Orleans from NM because of the feared Comanche. While the United States goverenment was well aware of the Spains borderland neighbors and had relations to Spain who agreed to American settlers in Texas before independence. By this time Spain had lost it's empire and probably on it's way to selling the west as it had already lost Florida and Louisiana.
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@JohnJohn-yp5vp Return to who, none of those people are around. Civilization changes, even the Indians the European found were nomadic. They were not in those locations two hundred, five hundred, eight hundred years earlier and if the European had not come, the Indians likely would have migrated to different places. America is gigantic, most lands were not claimed by any tribes, too many barriers inaccessible by foot as rivers, mountains, deserts, swamps, enemy tribes; escaping drought, tornados, hurricanes, floods, volcanoes and enemy tribes; so get over it, people were not nice in ancient times, people, tribes were very violent. Thank the lucky stars you lifetime is is not survival for the day, back then they had survival skills, took life as it came--no cry babies over what was out of their control. Life went on. You're and ungrate, everything is done for you. You wouldn't survive in the world of yesteryear as did your ancestors, they weren't wimps.
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@rebecamarinanunezcarrasco8912 yeh right..... then why are NM and AZ over flowing with unwelcome Mexicans who only look north, sneaking in illegally--sent their children on dangerous journies with total strangers across a cactus thirsty desert through Mexico, selling themselves to violent cartels to many times get raped and risk getting killed, just to cross the border into dusty NM and AZ, where they have no respect for law and order and live off crime and depend on the US goverenment system for survival. NM and AZ are not only dusty, they have rivers and mountains and are part of the richest country in the world, the greatest goverenment the world has ever known. In fact, the USA ended WWII with the atomic bomb created in the spectacular beautiful northern mountains of NM by the greatest scientists in the world. Where was Mexico on the world stage during the World War, selling tamales, sombreros and dire poverty ridden beggers on the streets of Mexico City. If not for their rich great neighbor to the north, Mexico would still be a third world country be it Juarez or Vera Cruz and everywhere in between.
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@GodEmperorEnjoyer I'm self-educated on New Mexico history by excellent SW historians for about 20 years. And continue learning. California and Texas histories are similar to NM as they all were all far northern isolated outposts installed by Spain to guard against French or Russian intrusion during the over two centuries Spanish Colonial Period. The territories were claimed by Mexico after 1824, basically Mexican intrusion, Mexican citizenship mandated, only until the United States came along. The SW was distant and not connected by geography, cultures, Indians, history, politics to Mexico. The connection was basically the language and SW was part of New Spains territories, which included up to Florida, Cuba, todays Mexico, plus. The SW was very distant from other New Spain, Spain was very strict, permission required for travel which was seldom and by caravan. So in reading some of these posts, I kinda hang on to every word, as there is a lot of misinformation out there, like the original poster, was way off and hopefully will learn something about the indigeniuos from California which he assumed were Mexican.
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@global-awarenessnetwork5315 sounds as if in your second post, you are referring to the mestizo mix, which is different from indigenous Indians. Basically in the Spanish Colonial SW which was colonized approx 75 years after colonization in Mexico City areas, apprx 1000 miles away, was established culturally differently from earlier colonization in other parts of New Spain; plus Spains laws, Casas Laws of the Indies were better enforced by this time, for protection of the Indians. So the SW Spanish populations were not generally mixed with the Indian to become a mestizo culture as in earlier colonization closer to Mexico City.
Indians came to what is now America centuries ago, the most popular theory is years of migration from the Bering Strait southwards. There is evidence of sea farriers from Polynesia and elsewhere, many Mexicans and Mormons believe Indians are the lost tribes of Israel. Indians do not share the same religious beliefs but share an Asian DNA and pheno type. So it appears there was migration from north to south in America. DNA can show from far north to south America. But also, after 1521, Spanish ships went from Cuba to Vera Cruz, to Peru and back to Spain. Most likely capured Indians were on those ships. Then later, the Philippines New Spain became part of mix.
Nevertheless in the ancient world there was no Mexico, Indians were nomatic, did not share a common culture. No Mexico, no Mexican Indian prior to 1821. The young Republic of Mexico was named Estados Unidos Mexicano's or United States of Mexicans in which the young Republic claimed the Spanish SW . But the SW Indian did not claim Mexico, in fact they bitterly opposed Mexico as they inherently knew they were not Mexican. Most historians refer to New Spain as Mexico. And confuse the issue. There was no Mexico back in the 16, 17, 18 centuries yet historians and educators have been irresponsible, in failing to teach or focus on New Spain or its localities/territories. According to many historians/educators it was "Mexico" using a modern day nation, yet Mexico did not exist if you go back to that era. In those days the territories identified by "New Spain" or its localitis -- as Mexico City, Vera Cruz, Cuernavaca, Zacatecas, Nuevo Mexico, Nueva Galacia, California etc. Additionally, New Spain maps do not chart Mexico, the maps chart territories. Geneology Catholic documents do not record anything Mexico, folks were born or died in Mexico City, Zacatecas, Santa Fe, Asturias, etc and the many towns in New Spain or Spain. Historians have failed to refer to New Spain, or only use it in passing, instead constantly use Mexico as if Mexico had been a country for centuries leaving folks misinformed and confused. Historians failure to properly teach Mexico's birth in 1824 does not make SW Indians Mexican. The SW indigenous inherently know their tribes and they know they were never Mexican regardless of Mexico claiming the territories for 25 years. 25 years does not make tribes Mexican which was a new identity in 1824, especially in the far northern territories who were totally disconnected from central Mexico. The tribes never conformed to Mexico, most were uncontrolled and unconquered, considering Mexico an intruder on their lands. Mexico/Mexican is educators errouous doing. There was no Colonial Mexico as many historians would want us to believe, it would have been Colonial New Spain, governed by Spain, approx 1524 - 1821. There are Mexican educators who try to pass off a Mexican people, goverenment and explorations, during the Spanish period. Unfortunately for them, Spain documented everything and the records show Spain influenced government-- Penisular (Spains )power, Spanish language, European Catholic religion who controlled New Spain. Spains caste system was Peninsulares (born in Spain), Crillos (Spaniards born in America), mestizo, Indian, but no Mexican. Mexico became independent from the motherland after 300 years.
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