Comments by "Zrips" (@Zripas) on "Donut" channel.

  1. Due to extreme price to build hydrogen refueling stations it will never take off as real product. If Hydrogen cars became a thing 10-15 yeas ago then it would have had chance to be something more than just a gimmick, but now electrical cars will take over due to it being better solution.
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  2.  @professormadhattgaming583  Abundance of cheap energy... This is what you need for hydrogen cars to be more than gimmick. Nuclear fusion could provide means of cheap energy which can be used to convert Hydrogen which then could be used in cars. If we remove poor energy conversion rates when it comes to hydrogen, we will have more viable option. But currently its not. Hydrogen cars are between ICe and EV's, due to the fact that we have EV's currently there is no reason to even start investing money in hydrogen car development, as those are worst option when compared to EV's.
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  3.  @professormadhattgaming583  That's the thing, hydrogen is worst option vs electrical ones, if those dint took off before those have no chance now. Only single chance hydrogen has is if we get nuclear fusion going and we have abundance of energy, in this case producing hydrogen and using it as fuel could be somewhat better solution or be on same level as electrical cars, but its big IF.
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  4.  @csaleen302  Hydrogen works when you need high density and you have dedicated supply of hydrogen, its not really scalable when it comes to generic cars, atleast not as easily as it is with electrical cars.
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  5.  @geshscale6068  You do realize that hydrogen needs to be produced and doesn't appear from thin air? On top of complexity of storing it, transporting it... You are using energy to produce hydrogen, which then needs to be transported manually to each refueling station and stored there in expensive storage containers, which then gets pumped out into a car which then converts hydrogen back into electricity which then gets used to drive your car. There is huge energy loss during this process. "If you put an hho generator with ev charging plug" That's the thing... You need specialized generator, while with EV's you just plug it into wall and be done with that. Hydrogen can have its own use cases and will be more practical in some situations, but not for mass produced cars. Hydrogen is in the middle of ICe and EV's. For hydrogen to be viable option we would need abundance of energy, which on itself would mean that we would have abundance of energy for EV's too, but at the moment hydrogen uses like 60% more energy in comparison to pure EV's, not even talking about complex infrastructure to feed hydrogen needs.
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  6.  @geshscale6068  HHO production is slow and you need specialized tanks to store HHO. Hydrogen only has one benefit at this point, its energy density, other than this its only drawbacks. No idea why people keep mentioning refueling times, if you can just plug your EV into wall socket over night, then every single day you will have full "tank" which will be allot more than you will ever need. You might save some time if you are doing 5000km trip, but like, how often do you do something like that? And you still need to do regular stops to stretch your legs, go to bathroom and so on, which is more often than your battery can drive you for. So its none issue in general. And recharge times are increasing and soon we will options to recharge from 20 to 80% in few minutes. And for refueling stations, again... Its not as simple as just getting electrical cable to the spot... You actually need either actual mini plant to not only generate hydrogen, but to store it. To build stations like that is exponentially more expensive than EV station with exponentially more maintenance required down the road. Hydrogen stations generally are more complex and more expensive than current fuel stations in build and maintenance costs. Hydrogen can work in specific applications where you need more energy density and you have local access to refueling station. For regular cars, EV's are the way to go and allot more future proofed.
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  7. To pay 4x more for your trip?
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  8. Then you need to actually learn thing or two about hydrogen cars before you comment here...
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  9. What about them? Just like with every technology you have up's and downs, but thing is that adding everything EV's still getting way ahead of every other technology.
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  10. To extract hydrogen from water you will input more energy than it would be to just direct this energy into actual car propulsion.
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  11. Imagine if you could directly use that electricity from those solar panels to charge cars instead of using it to make hydrogen and then use hydrogen to make electricity with exponential energy loss during those processes. Its like 60% energy loss, so you will need more than twice as many solar panels to feed same amount of cars. This isint a solution.
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  12.  @takeiteasy4556  Batteries can be recycled and there are more than enough different battery technologies existing and under way which makes this none issue.
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  13. Basic facts: In comparison between hydrogen and EV you will need around 60% more energy to produce enough hydrogen which could be used to drive your car same amount as EV could. Hydrogen isint solution here, while its better than gas driven cars its not as good as EV's.
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  14. We are ready for BEV's... All the "issues" you could think of now is due to the fact that BEV's are still only tiny portion of market, we didn't even got enough old BEV's to have enough battery packs for recycling plants which already exist. We don't have recycling plants not because its not viable option, but because there isint enough batteries to recycle to make it viable option, yet...
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  15. Same thing as it is with any hybrid, more complexity, more failure points, more expensive to buy and to maintain for tiny benefits. Pure electric will always win against hybrid. Tho to be fair, every single hydrogen car is already a hybrid as every single hydrogen car has a battery which stored electricity produced by fuel cell engine, its relatively tiny, but it's there as necessity to have instant power when needed.
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  16. You do know that Hydrogen cars use like 60% more energy to drive same distance? So you will use 60% more electricity produced by your fossils than you would with BEV... Your argument works against Hydrogen, not BEV's...
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  17. Calif is the only place on the planet where you can find decent amount of hydrogen stations, and even then people are not really jumping on that hype train.
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  18. Energy conversion for Hydrogen car's vs EV's is like 60% difference. You are losing half of energy with hydrogen cars. While hydrogen cars are basically electrical cars which uses hydrogen to produce electricity to drive electrical motors... There is literally no reason to go with hydrogen anymore due to batteries getting cheaper and better each year.
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  19.  @loudcamaro79.  Its like saying that petroleum cars are being powered by plankton... Crude oil comes from dead animals/vegetation over millions of years with quite complex process, but saying that you car is driven by plankton is just silly at best. Hydrogen cars run on Hydrogen, not on water. There are multiple way to get hydrogen, water is the most convenient one at the moment, doesn't mean that car runs on water... Water isn't hydrogen and hydrogen isn't water. Just like dinosaurs isn't petroleum and petroleum isn't dinosaurs even if you could make petroleum from dinosaurs or any other carbon based life forms...
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  20. Let me guess, 15 litre pickup trucks powered by good old gasoline is the answer?...
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  21.  @DawidSienczak  Issue with hydrogen cars is about its complexity from end to end. There is no pure hydrogen on earth, all the hydrogen needs to be produced, which is expensive process. Then you need to store that hydrogen, which is yet another expensive thing due to so called hydrogen embrittlement which on itself causes a thing where all hydrogen tanks will have expiration dates printed on them, which is around 5 years. And then you need to think about hydrogen transportation as you can't have thousands tiny hydrogen plants inside cities, then storage (again) at the refueling stations, then expensive to build and maintain hydrogen refueling stations, then you fill up to your car which will have to store that hydrogen (again) and only then you can use it... And no, hydrogen combustion will NEVER be a thing due to the simple fact that hydrogen fuel cell engines are TWICE the efficiency, aka you can travel double the distance with fuel cells in comparison to just burning it directly, not even talking about complexity of entire HICE engine and its maintenance costs. BEV's at the moment wins across the board, this is why registered hydrogen car numbers dropped in 2023 in comparison to previous year, and this is why BEV's sold numbers still going up on basically exponential curve. At this point BEV's could ONLY be beat if we no longer have lithium to make batteries and we would not have any alternatives, other than this, there is no real chance for hydrogen, especially for regular private passenger cars.
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  22.  @DawidSienczak  I would definitely be extra happy if hydrogen was actually viable option, but sadly it's not. There is simply soo many complications relating to it that transitioning towards it instead of BEV's makes no sense at this point, like, we have under 1000 hydrogen stations in ENTIRE WORLD, while there are over 3 000 000 BEV's dedicated recharging stations, this excluding the fact that any wall socket could be used to recharge your car, it will be slow, but it can be used. Where hydrogen fuel cell technology could actually shine is in bigger industries, like busses, trains, ships, semi or even planes, but regular passenger cars it sadly makes zero sense. Have a nice day!
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  23. Studies have been done already, checking pollution from start to end BEV's still win.
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  24. I would want to see actual evidence for your claim here... ICE car better than EV?... Which oil company paid you to say these words?
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  25. Issue is more fundamental than byproduct. You are loosing like 60% more energy producing hydrogen and then converting it back to electricity to be used in hydrogen cars than you would in EV's. This doesn't take into consideration refueling stations, where to build for hydrogen will cost you millions per site and EV's can literally be charged from wall socket at any house. Ice cars are worst than Hydrogen, but Hydrogen is worst than EV's. Hydrogen cars had their chance to become a thing, now its too late for it.
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  26.  @TheBogdanator  Will try to give you comparison for your brains to wrap things around. Just like crude oil isn't a fuel even tho you can make gasoline from it, water isn't one either even tho you can make hydrogen from it.
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  27. And if we finalized mass production of nano carbon tube batteries all of your complains would be meaningless... We can speculate what could be if X would be reality, but let's talk about actual reality.
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  28.  @arunkottolli  And currently there are like over 4 million dedicated BEV charging stations in the world, where for hydrogen you have like 800 and that number seemingly only shrinking. And as you mentioned, every single wall socket is potential charging spot, so when it comes to recharge/refuel there is no real competition here.
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  29. Car's don't run on water... You use water to convert it into hydrogen and then use that to run your car. Its literally what Hydrogen cars do. Water itself isn't combustible or energy containing thing on itself which could be used as a fuel...
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  30. Because hydrogen fuel cells are basically TWICE as efficient... So double the range for your car... This is why it's stupid to burn hydrogen...
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  31. I guess all those silly multi billion companies spending million bucks on a station have no idea how "easy" it actually is... Or maybe it's just you?...
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  32.  @e.a.342  You do know that when batteries are being recycled those are being shredded into small pieces and than chemically separated into usable elements? Right?... So like, then how is "impossible to spare apart" even relevant here? Shredder doesn't care how easy or hard it is, it just shreds it and a whole... And comparison to nuclear waste was just silly at best. It not nuclear waste, not even close. And you know what is less healthy for you than magnetic field? Sitting on a bomb... Tho like, how strong is that magnetic field you are talking about? This is like the first time I ever heard someone mentioning it, is there even a magnetic field to talk about?
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  33. Hybrid mode is the worst one... You basically have 2 cars in one... Maintenance cost is allot higher than pure ICE or pure EV or pure Hydrogen. Refueling stations is an issue, big one. Even now with EV's which can be recharged at your house from regular wall socket is still an issue of not having dedicated supercharger stations. Hydrogen stations require exponentially more money to be built and maintained, not even talking about producing of Hydrogen and transporting to the site and actually storing it.
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  34. Or because it's simply isn't a good alternative?... Hydrogen production on itself is really simple, you just need access to water. All this technology existed for quite some time. So then, what was stopping anyone to invent working cheap mass production car? Answer is: Nothing. Then why it never became a thing? Because it only sounds cool on paper, but not in actual reality.
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  35. How much electricity you need to drive car same amount as it would be with EV?
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  36. Then you should actually research this topic. Hydrogen only sounds good on paper, but it doesn't scale... Too many drawbacks of it for it to become anything more than rich people hobby.
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  37. ​ @mrmurdock6994  My point was that you should research this topic before you try to talk about it and then you said that V8 HICE engine is a good thing... It's the worse one when it comes to hydrogen cars. The fact that you skipped over hydrogen fuel cell based cars is enough to show how little you know about this topic. You want drawbacks? Well your V8 is like 3.5 times less efficient than Hydrogen fuel cell based cars. How about drawback like that?
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  38. Guy was a scammer and he died like 13 years after his initial claim. Google is a remarkable source of information you know...
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  39. People compared those numbers, from start to finish, EV's are allot cleaner than ICE cars across cars life span, from material gathering to scrap yard.
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  40. Do you have correct math?
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  41. troy amos Just because you deliver Hydrogen to stations doesn't make you an expert on it... Which you clearly demonstrated. Its a simple FACT that you need around 60% more energy to produce enough Hydrogen which could drive your car same amount as EV could. Your lack of understanding how hydrogen is made is the main issue with people who thinks that hydrogen is the solution... Please educate yourself on a thing you are so proud of doing...
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  42.  @kaptenhiu5623  Thing is that battery technology rapidly progresses forwards, charging times get lower, batteries gets cheaper, while hydrogen, well, that one remains same and even now its a worst option even by comparing today's technologies and not what near future will bring to us.
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  43.  @kaptenhiu5623  There is no "make hydrogen car died" as hydrogen cars never been really alive. It's to late for hydrogen to take over EV's, every single car manufacturer invests exponentially more into EV's than in hydrogen, even tho hydrogen cars have been in market for longer period of time in comparison to ev's. Hydrogen has more drawbacks than EV's, so there is literally no point in going hydrogen anymore.
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  44. Get your car to enclosed environment, turn it on, stay in that place for few hours and you will get your answer... Tho what the difference does it make even if its not the prime danger? Is it a danger?
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  45. What do you think happens when you get into accident while you have 3 tanks at 15 000 psi? That would be an explosion which would vaporize you instantly. Car batteries catches on fire if you puncture those, but that process is relatively slow which gives you extra time to get out of the way. So yea, you could not be more wrong here, but can't expect more from generic Musk hater whose entire argument sums to "Its related to Musk, so it must be evil!!!"
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  46. Why would you?
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  47. With what magical tools you will do that? Spend extra 50k on specialized equipment to make your own hydrogen at home at 10x price?
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  48.  @saltyaphid3195  Did you misspelled "Hydrogen" with "Batteries"? Because batteries getting quite few improvements basically monthly at this point... we have multiple batteries which are exponentially better ones than existing, issues is their production scalability, but then again, breakthrough happens regularly with batteries currently...
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  49. Still dead.
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  50. Hybrid hydrogen car? Its already crammed inside, just imagine a need to fit in another engine and another fuel tank... And for me it looks quite bad, that front just looks weird.
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  51. That makes zero sense... To produce hydrogen you will spend more energy than you would ever could dream to get heat back from it... Its NEVER happening unless you get natural Hydrogen supply which doesn't exist on earth and never will. So heating your homes with electricity directly is exponentially cheaper than it would be with hydrogen.
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  52. @jaredwatford This is one of the most wrong statements I ever heard. Are you by any chance mixing cars manufacturing process with cars usage? As BEV's production needs more energy, but its nothing and gets offset quickly due to how efficient their usage is.
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  53. You dont need to charge your car for an hour... And those charging times going down with each new EV/Battery generation. Hydrogen never be a thing
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  54. Don't do that, it will shock you.
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  55. There are more than one type of batteries and more on the way to mass production. Elements required for the batteries isint that big of an issue.
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  56. One hydrogen station costs around 1 million to build. One BEV charging station is around 80k. This excluding maintenance costs. On top of this, you need to produce hydrogen and you will be using around 60% more electricity to move your car same distance as you do with pure BEV's. So not a good solution here.
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  57. It already lasts longer than your car will and you can recycle it to like 98% and repurpose same materials to make new batteries.
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  58. BEV's are basically on exponential growth at the moment and Hydrogen is basically non existent... What the hell are you talking about?
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  59. In most cases its just peoples ignorance. and I have seen so many just screaming "I want hydrogen combustion car!!!" without knowing that those are extremely inefficient. Why they want those? Because it makes a sound... Seriously, this was main point for some of the people... It makes sound, so it's good...
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  60. True that, tho there is additional issue with that, its amount of actual fuel we have on earth to power those nuclear plants, it's quite limited. If entire world shifted towards nuclear power plants we would run out of fuel for those in few decades, so it would be race against the clock and building nuclear power plants without knowing if there will be enough fuel to power those. Lets hope nuclear fusion get eventually solved and we can enjoy crap ton of energy.
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  61. That same exact conversion you are talking here will be needed to produce hydrogen in the first place, not even mentioning the fact that you are putting more energy to produce hydrogen which then again should be converted into electricity which can then be used by this car. Energy loss is allot higher in hydrogen car then it is in electrical one.
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  62. What is your best solution to push out Hydrogen cars instead of EV's? You do realize that hydrogen cars are like 60% less efficient than EV's? Costs more to drive. Refueling stations costs exponentially more than EV charging stations and on and on and on and on... Hydrogen cars might have some use in some specific industry area, but those will never become wide spread and will never replace cars on the roads, too late for that.
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  63.  @BrotherAzrael  Your original comment said that its zero maintenance... Which is 100% false. There are printed expiration dates on hydrogen tanks, all 3 of them and there is expiration date printed on fuel cell itself. Not by mileage, but by time... What does government do to prevent it? Because there are incentives from government if you buy hydrogen cars and if you need government to help out to push a product for people to actually buy it, maybe it's not that good to begin with? BEV's are being sold with or without government incentives, while hydrogen cars are not. Hydrogen stations isn't spreading because their cost is extreme at best. One stations costs around 1million to build, while BEV's one station is around 50k. This excludes actual maintenance costs with a need to have staff 24/7 at that station to help out customers and to resolve issues as soon as possible when those arise. This do not scale, especially when you have by your own words a more convenient competition. Here is your problem with the argument: You think about the title, I think about entire thing.
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  64.  @BrotherAzrael  "Ask yourself, what is your goal by telling me this?" To educate ignorant people. "remember hydrogen has a combustion power three times that of gasoline per kg" Remember that hydrogen isn't energy dense by volume, so that 3x when it comes to weight is meaningless when you need atleast 3 huge tanks pressurized up to 10 000 psi to get decent range. "As it was explained there was a catalyst cell that does all the chemistry" Which is what exactly? Hydrogen fuel cell or something else? It sounds just like some generic buzz word and pretend that it does something special here... What does this catalyst do? "I refuse to construct a huge ass wall of text to explain to some random youtuber as to why and how it works" Its because you can't. Nothing in entire world stops you to form short 2-3 sentences explaining basics how this magical technology works. If you need text of wall to explain something then you don't understand it yourself. "now shut the fuck up and believe what you want" Defensive much? Its like you starting to realize how ridiculous your initial comment is and that you got easily fooled and now you just want to pretend that its our fault to not accepting your and some scammers words on their face value... C'mon... All of us here know whats going on...
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  65. Riiiiight, because hydrogen car sales are booming all over the place... Right? Or its not?
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  66. Those flopped due to poor battery performance and poor price, this isint the case anymore.
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  67. Way worse? Said who?
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  68.  @RainbowRising  But this is the one of many issues, due to you needing to replace big chunks of your cars on regular basis, like every 5 years or so, costs of owning cars like that will simply be too high for regular people, on top of you needed to constantly recycle (duno how much you could actually recycle those tanks) and remake one. I mean, its good business for car manufacturer as everyone will be basically paying subscription fee to keep driving their cars, not that fun for customer. At the moment coating with ceramics helps out to minimize hydrogen embrittlement, but even then, those expiration dates are already with top notch protections, so it's not like you could buy one from Wish and expect it to last. And just FYI currently majority of hydrogen is being produced from natural gas, as its cheaper than to make it from water. Try to guess if this helps out with co2 offsetting... Is hydrogen better than petrol/diesel cars? Yea, from the standpoint of it being cleaner. Is it better for customer? No. Even BEV's are cleaner when it comes to co2 footprint from end to end, not by much, but still cleaner and avoids majority of the issues relating to hydrogen cars. This is why 99.9% of all hydrogen car promoting people will try to sell it on the point that it refuels in only 5 minutes... Like that really matters when you can recharge from any wall socket... We have alternative, its BEV's, trying to shift towards a worse option just makes no sense. While we need to transition to renewables, hydrogen isint the solution.
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  69.  @RainbowRising  Full battery technologies, BEV's. Those keep improving constantly without any real limit on sight. While initial cost might be higher, what it offers can and does usually offset that over few years of usage. And transition to BEV's is really simple for the customer, you could basically just charge your car at home over night and never ever visit recharging station, you could even charge it from your own solar panels. Its the most efficient way to move you from point A to point B. Like if you tried to compare energy usage between BEV and Hydrogen car, you will need around 60% more for hydrogen car to travel same distance due to the fact that you need to convert energy into hydrogen and then hydrogen back into energy, which will have huge amounts of energy loss in that process. Where hydrogen could work out is bigger things, like ships, planes, trains, semi's and so on, which could have their own refueling stations with their own team of people which keeps them running at relatively low costs due to it being done in house, but hydrogen will never work for regular passenger cars.
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  70.  @paradelights  Never said that it's worse than gasoline, hydrogen is between gasoline and BEV's,allot better than gasoline, slightly worse than BEV's.
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  71. You never actually looked any of this up, aren't you? Why generating hydrogen is relatively simple, 2 plates, some current in a tank of water and you got your generator, main issue is with scaling of this process, with hydrogen storage and actually putting that hydrogen into your tank which usually goes up to 10000psi, which would mean that you will need pumps capable of going as higher than 10000psi. All that maintenance cost crap ton of money... To build one hydrogen station costs around one million bucks, its maintenance would be crap ton of money on top of that. You can check existing stations and check how many are down for maintenance, its a lot, because those break constantly. And this is why it cost more than petroleum.
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  72. Electricity production is shifting towards clean revewales, so its a mute point. Lithium mining isn't even an issue... Biggest lithium provider is Australia which is definitely not in a realm of human rights violations... So again, mute point. Battery technology is getting better every year with better chemistries which uses simpler and cheaper materials. This will only going to improve, so even now its a best option we have while it will only get better later on...
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  73. You have no idea how ironic your comment is.
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  74.  @IraFox84  What's funny is that you ended up with "Tesla fanboys..." Its like you have agenda to go against Tesla, more specifically anything related to Musk. Did I got it correctly here?
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  75. Hydrogen uses like 60% more energy to drive car same distance as BEV. Hydrogen only has one actual benefit: energy density. Hydrogen cars are in between ICE and BEV's, closer to BEV's than to ICE, but not better than BEV's.
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  76. What is ironic that its actually opposite of what you said here. When you start looking into hydrogen you start realizing how bad of an alternative it is. While BEV's just keeps improving with every single year without any limit in sight yet.
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  77.  @tiggerthemighty8279  "Can we sustain the mining operations required for EV growth?" Yes. "'Can we fix the e-waste issues unrecycled batteries create?" Yes. Batteries are being recycled and in general you can recycle like 95% or even more of the old battery and reuse materials for the new ones. What is ironic at the moments is that there isn't enough old BEV batteries to be recycled yet as those lasted longer than expected, so not many recycling plants have been built, as there isn't batteries to be recycled in mass, yet. "Can EVs manage to improve in the secondary market where values drop almost 10 times as fast as ICE cars and buyer confidence appears to be dropping faster than the used cars' prices?" Example Depreciation Curves BEV: Year 1: -25% Year 2: -20% Year 3: -15% Year 4: -10% Year 5: -8% Year 6+: Gradual decline influenced by battery health and market trends. ICE: Year 1: -20% Year 2: -15% Year 3: -12% Year 4: -10% Year 5: -8% Year 6+: Steady decline based on age, mileage, and condition. Doesn't look like there is your 10x anywhere. "Just like it will tell buyers if EV ranges will ever reach the numbers 'promised' 10 years ago." Which would be what? How much do you want and how much to you actually need? And there is BEV with 500 mile range, so how much more do you need? "same coal fired grid" How is that even related? Grid is being shifted towards renewables, majority of electricity should be coming from renewables, just because there are still few coal ones will not really impact anything here. At the end of the day its still cleaner option than ICE cars. "You can't paste luxury sport packages over real world problems and call it progress." EVERYTHING was a luxury at the start. Look t first LCD tv's, 13 inches for 4000 bucks, now you can get one for like 100 bucks with better quality. We got real BEV's like a decade ago, which is still quite new technology as no one wanted to invest billions into R&D without knowing that it will pay off, but look at all new battery technologies being presented now from dozens of companies. We even have carbon nanotube batteries which are exponentially better, issue is just with production scalability which needs to be solved and if it is then that's that. There isint perfect solution here, every single technology has its own drawbacks, but at the moment BEV's at he best option we have and simplest one to transition into. As a reminder, we have over 3 000 000 BEV charging stations, while there are under 1000 hydrogen ones in entire world. This excludes the fact that you can charge your car at home, so people outside cities and living in their private homes could avoid visiting charging stations entirely, they can even charge their cars with few solar panels...
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  78.  @noahadams2524  Benefit of buying used hydrogen car, its dirt sheep due to the fact that no one wants one or are able to use it
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  79. You are wrong. There, corrected you. You need 60% more energy to produce enough hydrogen to travel same distance as BEV would, so yea, you are factually wrong on that point. No idea what you are talking about BEV repair and people being afraid of its battery. If BEV's battery is damaged it should not be handled by someone who has no idea what they are doing, same thing would apply to hydrogen tanks or hydrogen fuel cells or anything in general, if you have no idea how to handle a thing, don't...
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  80. Why?
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  81. You actually would not. Hydrogen cars are electrical cars, so if BEV's will not have stick then Hydrogen will not have one either.
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  82. Hydrogen isn't scalable... For example, to build single hydrogen refueling station will cost you around 1.2million, to build single supercharging station will cost you around 100k or even less. On top of this you will have exponentially less of maintenance for BEV charging stations than you will have for hydrogen. Then you need entire plants to produce this hydrogen on scale... Like current stations can only fill up around 3 cars in a row before you will have to wait until it produces more of that. It simply doesn't scale...
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  83. Fun reality note, hydrogen cars are basically same weight as BEV's. And while yes, you hydrogen combustion engine will produce your sound, it will cost you arm and leg to run and maintain it. It could be interesting expensive hobby, but it will never be actual thing you would actually use as day to day driver.
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  84. Exactly, its electrical car with extra steps.
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  85. People actually calculated all that end EV's still came first for least pollution done over entire car's existence. Nothing new there.
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  86. When you fact check basic reality: BEV's from end to end creates less pollution than hydrogen cars. People should learn to fact check basic reality before they speak.
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  87. Do they tho? As hydrogen refueling stations barely gets built anymore and car companies don't really want to invest money in those either. Like, seriously, why would anyone want to buy one? There are under 1000 refueling hydrogen stations in entire world, while we have over 3 000 000 BEV stations, not including the fact that any electrical wall socket can be used to recharge it. Hydrogen isint coming back and any car company which will try to concentrate on it will go bankrupt in next few years.
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  88. Hydrogen as byproduct is generally meaningless as you will get tiny amounts from that process and you would simply reinsert that back into production process like converting that hydrogen into electricity instead of trying to capture, store it, transport it and then fuel up some cars. And just FYI actual studies have been done and END to END BEV's produce less pollution in comparison to hydrogen cars
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  89.  @joseonwalking8666  Why? You don't like basic facts?
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  90.  @joseonwalking8666  Is it because you don't have any actual counter arguments?
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  91.  @IraFox84  Probably more so that your head is too thick to understand. Every one of your comments ignores the downsides to FCEVs. I can say same exact thing here. There are no perfect technology out there, never was and quite likely never will be. But hydrogen issue list is longer than BEV's, this is why FCEVs never become anything more than someones expensive hobby.
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  92. Charge BEV using solar...
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  93. Why? Hydrogen cars are still a thing which is extremely unpopular without any bright future in sight. So what didn't age well here?
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  94.  @andrew_l1900  Duno if you are joking here or just extremely misinformed... If you see anyone saying that Tesla going Hydrogen, its 100% bullshit... Check your sources before you parrot them.
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  95. Depends, if you need to merge with fast traffic then having good exceleration is a big bonus, if you need to overtake a car and you can do it few seconds quicker, again, big bonus and safer. It's not a huge deal, but still a good thing to have.
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  96. People said same thing about horses (not literally, duh...), look how that turned out.
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  97. Well someone clearly watched too many big oil propaganda videos here... This is not how efficiency is calculated... You don't just pick least efficient way to produce electricity and go with it... By the way, you need around 60% more electricity for hydrogen cars to move it same distance as you would with electric ones.
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  98. Wait, do you think that gas cars never catch on fire during collision?
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  99. Just like everyone make their own petroleum at home...
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  100. Its expensive in comparison to alternatives, aka EV's.
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  101. Scammers will be scamming. Water isn't fuel, never was and never will be. You can't beat laws of physics.
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  102. You will NEVER be able to fill up at home due to how expensive equipment is required to do it. Its not just like filling gasoline, you actually need high pressure build for hydrogen compressors which should be able to go up to 10 000psi, Its not happening, ever.
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  103.  @jakebenson4187  Millionaires will do millionaire things, like buying v12 cars to be displayed in their garage and never actually used for practical purpose, but this is like 1 in a million who does it, rest of the people can't afford something like that. Even for millionaire to have its own hydrogen station at home sounds silly, its like having your own crude oil processing plant in your backyard just because you can afford it, can't say I have heard of any millionaire or billionaire with something like that
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  104. Hydrogen isn't easy and it's not cheap... Which propaganda site did you got that information from?
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  105.  @web_jar6630  It would help out with range, but cost-benefit isint there for it to be viable option. In general BEV's already have over 300 miles of range, which is more than enough for any long distance trips as you will need to stop sooner than that to stretch your legs anyways, and for daily use that 300 mile range is more than enough, especially if you can charge your car overnight at your house.
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  106. Question of the week: Will your next car be a hydrogen?
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  107. It's NOT water powered, its HYDROGEN powered... Learn the difference.
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  108. Just like people bet on NFT's... And just look where they are now...
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  109. Funny that you said this, electrical cars had infrastructure as long as we had...Well... Electricity... You can literally plug it into your homes outlet and charge it that way, chargers only speed up that process but infrastructure was and always will be here. You need more energy to put into producing hydrogen then you will get back from it. While electrical cars will simply use that energy directly without a need to produce hydrogen, transport to refuel stations and store it there for long periods of time. Its simply worst option than battery driven cars and car manufacturers knows that.
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  110.  @gregautomotive8409  Home chargers are not as fast as dedicated ones, but that's besides that point. Building electrical charger stations are allot simpler and less expensive than hydrogen stations and you cant really make any hydrogen at home. "The fact is, more CO2 is produced making an EV than making a gas car" Yes, so what? Look at total CO2 production over cars life span, not just how much it produces when you make one... "The EV doesn't offset it expenditure until about 400k miles." Where the hell you got this number from? Is it from some Oil company?... Generally speaking EV's start producing less CO2 after 1-2 years, from where you got your magical number is a mystery. "Keep in mind the cost of pack replacement is horrifying" Keep in mind that you wont need to replace battery pack... And total maintenance cost for ICe cars is allot higher than EV's anyways. "I'm already seeing the effects." Its called: Anecdotal evidence. "The hybrid is the cleanest bet going right now" ? Hybrid is the worst option... You basically have 2 cars in one which will brake allot more than it would if it was ether ICE or just EV. And its strange, now you are saying that its better to have cars like that but it would be worst to have fully EV? How does that work in your head? Adding EV parts into ICE car makes it cleaner and better, but it gets worst if you remove ICE parts entirely? "They use strip mines and in some cases slave labor" Do you seriously think that literally polluting air your breath in makes your alternative better? And not every battery manufacturer uses slaves... You do know this? Right? "Cancer and birth defect rates around these facilities has gone through the roof." So now you are not even arguing about EV's vs ICe cars, now you just complaining about some issues surrounding battery productions?... "This shit is not green or sustainable. " ? Count oil spills and general deaths from air pollution, then remember that OIL has literal limit in how much there is in ground and you will realize which option is less clean and sustainable here... There is no limit in electricity production, there are multiple ways to make batteries using multiple different methods and most of those methods can recycle batteries up to like 95% which can be reused over and over again... "Your basically saying fuck other people on the planet so I can pat myself on the back here in the west for being environmentally conscience" Your basically saying fuck EVERYONE around me on the planet so I can pat myself on the back here in the west for being environmentally conscience. Now you just went with appeal to emotions... Try to stay on topic here. "How is it going to handle all the cars too" Without any problems. There have been studies done on this one and electrical car production will be under the limitations of even current electrical grid expansion, not even talking that it can be speed up if needed. There is no problem to expand grid to incorporate EV's... "Lastly net's not forget that currently only 3.84% of these batteries are being recycled because no one wants to deal with the toxic chemicals in them" ? From where you got this number from? Like seriously, can you provide citation for this?... "These heavy metals don't break down because they are themselves elements and they'll be finding their way into groundwater." Irony is strong when you think about hundreds if not thousands of oil spills every single year... C'mon... I'm not even saying that you are wrong here, wont even bother with that, but the fact that you so conveniently ignore every issue surrounding oil sector is just... Interesting. "Many EV's, because they no longer have ICE's no longer have OBD ports and force the consumer back to the dealer. Tesla is a big one." Tesla does have OBD port... Are you even real mechanic? If you cant even find OBD port then maybe you should not put your hands on electrical cars in general?... Electrical cars are basically smartphones on wheels, you need actual software understanding of this specific car to be able to properly fix it. Adapt or go out of business. "No right to repair." No right to screw up shit you have no idea how it works. Even now Tesla is under attack by everyone just because they are not part of big car manufacturer group, what they least need now is someone messing around their cars when they dont know how to do it. Its not that good that not everyone can fix electrical cars, but if you have issue you can always get into contact with Tesla service center and get it repaired by licensed professionals. "So you're putting me out of business eventually too. " Well, tough shit. Society progresses forwards, we no longer have quite a bit of jobs which existed years ago, so what? Its adapt or go out of business. Don't expect that everything will remain exactly the same for thousands of years... We cant just sit here and like "Och wait, we cant do this technological progress because it will remove this work sector"... If we did this we would be still living in caves, butt naked. We had jobs like rope winders, those got replaced by automated machines, its not like you go to buy rope and complain that it wasn't handmade or something... "EV's are a far cry for decent, green, sustainable, affordable or a reasonable solution" Experts disagree with you. "Donut doesn't seem to realize many auto and truck makers are on board with hydro. " No, they are not. Auto makers only want to say that to be part of current trend, which is going green. Automakers want to remain on ICE cars for eternity, but they cant, luckily we got Tesla which pushed over the board auto makers and forced their hand to start making electrical cars and invest billions into their development. Hydrogen cars might only become some niche thing for some specific things, but it will never become mainstream, to late for that. Check battery prices over last decades. Main cost of electrical car is battery pack, which is going down, fast. While Hydrogen production cost remains more or less same. If it dint lift off before, it wont have any chance now. Go and count Hydrogen stations across entire world... Its 685 across entire world... While EV's has over 100 000 of those and more to come, not including basically every single electrical outlet in the world which can be used to charge it. Its simply to late for Hydrogen to make any real dent. "They just build a 455hp hydrogen injected V8 that's supposed to sound amazing." Who cares? Are you just for the sound? 455hp is generally speaking low amount. We have EV's with 1000hp+ in mass production... And you can add any sound you want if that's what is most important for you... " Hyundai just released their N Vision 74 hydro" Design from 90's, outdated even before being mass produced. Unless you like older looking cars, but its just my personal taste. " The future is not EV's." Everyone disagrees with you, but well, you can have your opinion here.
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  111. Put away your tin foil hat... you can literally buy hydrogen car from multiple different car manufacturers today, so clearly your conspiracy doesn't apply here... Right?
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  112. NO.
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  113. Would suggest to actually look into it more deeply than 5 minute videos
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  114. Unlimited oil? Is this some sort of joke or something? And coldest weather on record? We currently experiencing warmest winter in like... Ever... During entire winter we had temperatures around 0C, mostly in positives, so it only snowed for like 2 days, then nothing until now... Duno in which reality you live in, but climate is way warmer than it was 20 years ago...
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  115. Imposible. You need enormous amount of energy to convert water into hydrogen. You would literally need electrical power generator to convert water into hydrogen and then back into electricity with enormous power loss. You simply can't have car driving on water independent what clickbait newspapers would want you to believe.
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  116. @markboen Please, for your own sake, stop blindly believing every single facebook post you see... Musk would rather go bankrupt than go with hydrogen cars... When you see someone claiming otherwise you will know with 100% certainty that they either lying or spreading false information.
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  117. Hydrogen cars were invented like 100 years ago, those will always be around, but those never gets basic "expensive hobby" stage due to cost and complexity
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  118. We already have technology which can recycle like 97% of old batteries... What the hell are you talking about?
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  119.  @gdc4736  Cheap enough to be worth recycling.
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  120. Duno how often you get to drive for 350+ miles without stopping, but there are EV's like Tesla Model S which can get you around 400 miles of range and this range is just increasing with improvements on batteries, constantly. And that 30-60 minute charge would only apply when you are trying to fully charge, you can charge like 200 miles of range in 15 minutes which is more than enough for next few hours drive before you will need another leg stretch where you can repeat same thing. Its like you just filling up your entire tank and going non stop for 400 miles... BEV's have more than enough range and charging times are good enough to not be an issue. Hydrogen stations are extremely expensive to build and to maintain, charger stations on another hand can be built anywhere where you have electricity, heck, you can even charge your car at come and always have full "tank" if you wanted too.
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  121. Yes yes yes... Those will outsell electrical cars... And you do know that you can charge electrical car in like 15 minutes from 20 to 80%? How often do you fuel up your car fully? Ev's work in winter, no issues there. And batteries will outlast your car. Do some basic research before you talk.
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  122.  @strangebutsatisfying2615  There are multiple battery technologies and more on its way. And do you think that hydrogen is just magically appears in pressurized tanks? What magical power will you use to produce hydrogen? "we all know not loading batteries full is damaging batteries...." Which propaganda site you got this one from? In actual reality you should avoid fully charging or discharging batteries, even your beloved Tesla by default only charges to like 80-90% and strongly recommends to avoid charging to full unless you really need it. But you more or less will never need full battery as no one rides a car for 5+ hours without a brake. Do some basic research here before you embarrassed yourself even more. And again... In which fantasy world do you live in where you can get hydrogen for free? Do you think we have some ocean of hydrogen where you can just scoop it with a bucket and fill up your car?... You need to actually produce it... So use electricity to produce hydrogen which then gets used to produce electricity AGAIN which gets used in electrical engines... And you think that this is better than batteries?... C'mon... And no, electrical cars will never become illegal and if you dint know, hydrogen cars are electrical cars... Damn you are ignorant...
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  123.  @strangebutsatisfying2615  What is your actual point here? You can charge our battery from 20 to 80% in like 15 minutes and be done with that, or leave it plugged at home overnight and it will be at preset percentage in the morning for you to enjoy... And yes, Tesla dint sold majority of cars... Electric cars are on the rise, those are sill not being manufactured fast enough... Tesla has like 1 year wait time due to high demand and to low supply at the moment, Tesla literally cant produce enough cars even with major production ramping ups in the past years. No one wants hydrogen cars, but everyone wants electrical one. On top of this, in 2035 in europe you wont be able to buy new ICE car, just try to guess what will be alternative for that... And do you know how many hydrogen cars got sold last year in total across all manufacturers? 15,500... Do you know how many fully electric cars got sold? 4.2 million... Those number are not even comparable and difference between sold cars will only increase as electrical cars are on start of S curve.
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  124.  @taMeska  There is literally enough materials on earth to make enough EVs for next couple million years. There are dozens of different types of batteries using completely different chemistry in them from which some uses completely common and abundant elements. And that only about existing technologies, excluding those which will be discovered in the future. If you best counter argument is to say that some current technologies might run out of materials then you don't have a real case here.
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  125.  @taMeska  Because it's currently cheapest option when it comes to price and energy density ratio. Electrical cars only improves with time, battery prices are going down, new battery technologies are being discovered and this will only increase with more companies investing more money in battery technology, this is only beginning. While with hydrogen, it wont change much anymore, technology is settled down, you maybe could get cheaper cars if it goes into more mainstream production, but you still need to change entire infrastructure for hydrogen refueling stations, those are extremely expensive to build and maintain, this isint the case with electrical stations. Hydrogen cars had a chance to become something bigger if those took off like 20 years ago, but as we all know oil companies would not allow that they are still not allowing for electrical cars to take over, atleast trying to slow them down as much as possible, but its too late, every major car manufacturer started to shift towards electrical cars, only few who claims to make hydrogen cars in low numbers which is nothing. Like I mentioned, you have 15k hydrogen cars over 4.2million electrical ones and this gap will only increase as no one wants to buy car which cant be used due to none existing refueling stations. Another thing. Electrical cars are like half the price for each km you drive than Hydrogen, it is cheaper than gasoline, but its still more expensive than electrical ones. So what exact benefits you have with Hydrogen cars which should show that Hydrogen is better than electrical cars exactly?
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  126.  @taMeska  " Charging time isn’t decreasing, not everyone wants to wait for their car to charge." So then... Plug it at your home and have fully charged car every single day... Problem solved. "And also I just don’t like EVs being pushed in every type of motor vehicle." You don't like environment with less pollution? Less noise and toxic pollution? EV's doesn't work everywhere, but those work in most cases. "Hydrogen Semis are coming soon, and with be better than electric alternatives" Electric semis are coming soon too... So we will see which one wins this battle. And on which aspect its better than electrical one? "EVs have their place, but so does hydrogen." Yes, where you need high density of energy hydrogen might win, for now, but battery technology improved dramatically over past few decades, in density of energy and cost. Hydrogen won't win for long on that front.
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  127. There is no such thing as water powered cars... Never was... And most likely never will be...
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  128.  @loudcamaro79.  You get water, put 2 electrodes in, hook battery to those and it starts producing oxygen at one electrode and hydrogen at the other one. Its old news... But what people like you fail to understand that you will be putting in more energy into this hydrogen production than you will get back from it, so you can't just use water in you car and make hydrogen on the go, that's not how basic laws of physics work. If you put in like 2Kw into production of hydrogen, you will get like 1Kw back from converting hydrogen back into electricity. Basic reality.
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  129. Why do you get gasoline?... Do you have dedicated gasoline station at your apartment? Arguments like yours makes zero sense... You have 300+ miles range, how much are you driving for you to have a need to have ability to charge your car at home and never visit nearest charging station?
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  130. Prototypes and promises are not really worth anyone's time. Car companies can promise cars running on water, doesn't really mean that those will ever exist.
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  131. Why would you have that? It would be quite dangerous and wasteful to keep tank filled with hydrogen in your trunk. Differently than petroleum, hydrogen is not that dense in energy when looked from the side of volume, and then you simply have complications relating to you actually being able to refill hydrogen tank from that additional one. It simply to much hassle for no real benefit.
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  132. Everyday driver want's convenience, consistency and cheap rides, hydrogen cars do not provide any of that.
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  133. You can't kill something what never been alive.
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  134.  @johncipolletti5611  Weird comment you have here... So will try to ask it differently, as you think that EV's are not the answer (right?) then what is?
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  135. ​ @johncipolletti5611  Then I have no idea what you even tried to say with your original post... Government brainwashing people about a thing which is actually true and is the answer?... What did I missed here? Is EV the answer or not?
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  136. Just because company invests some money into something doesn't mean it's a good thing, especially when there is basically a requirement from car companies to invest money in cleaner alternatives, so either its hydrogen or yet another BEV, they clearly can't compete against BEV's, so what's left? Hydrogen toy cars... There is nothing you could R&D here, hydrogen is limited by physics, not by lack of technology.
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  137. Well yes, people realized how shitty hydrogen cars are in comparison to BEV's. If hydrogen cars started to be pushed properly like 20-30 years ago, then those would have had a real chance in becoming something bigger than just expensive hobby as it is now. Too late for that, we have better option now
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  138. Oil rules because its a cheap and easy to handle option. Hydrogen on another hand is not that and will never become mainstream for passenger cars.
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  139. He isn't sponsored by oil companies, its just basic reality of hydrogen cars, its too expensive. Not only you need to produce it, but you need expensive equipment to transport and store that hydrogen before you could use it. Don't get me wrong here, hydrogen cars are allot cleaner than any oil driven ones, but due to their complexity and price it will not win against alternatives, aka BEV's. So it simply flopped because there are better options out there.
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  140. ? EV's basically starting to become most wanted and most sold cars across the board, hydrogen cars still remain expensive fiction. Hydrogen cars stand in between BEV's and ICE cars, so there is no point in bringing those one up when we have better option already.
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  141.  @bruceenterpriseriskservice9752  There are no discussions on this because its none issue... Studies have been done and it showed that grid will have no issues scaling up due to the share fact that it will take decades for BEV's to become majority of cars on the roads. For "special" parking spaces to charge your car at home... I have no idea what point you tried to make here exactly. At this moment we have zero capabilities to fuel up your cars at home besides you have some fuel tanks in your garage. Same thing with Hydrogen. While to charge BEV's you would basically need a wall socket and a cord long enough to get to your car, that's that. And yes, changing something will cost money...
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  142. How often do you drive 900 miles without stopping?
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  143. No really, it might start small fire which is allot better and gives you allot more time to get away then it would be with gasoline car which would go into flames in instant
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  144. Interesting counter argument... Recent thing which happen across the globe, you know, pandemic and stuff which lowered cars driven in populated areas, what was the result on air quality in those areas? Did it improved? Do you like to breath? If yes, then why would you even complain that it only reduces emissions by 2 (its allot more, but besides the point) percent? Is any percentage better than none?
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  145.  @cesarvazquez4234  "Let's make more ppl buy these 55k plus electric cars" Price is going down, but generally speaking there is higher demand of those than there is supply, so while demand is higher than supply price will remain higher. "questionable reliability" Its not questionable, we know it to be more reliable than ICE cars. "probably won't be diy cars" Which ones are? And why would you need DIY car? "and annual registration would be up the crap." What now? "dude I'm pretty u got a more chance of dying to damn road rage than a so call harmful emission" Cool, then go (not actually suggesting here) to your garage, fire up your ICE car, close all doors and windows and enjoy that none toxic environment... You are extremely short sighted... Its basically "If it dint killed me that means it has zero effect on me"... No... If it dint killed you it means that it doesn't have iminent effect on your health, doesn't mean that there is no negative effects in general. And that pollution not only, well, pollutes air, but it add to climate change, but its another topic on itself. And just FYI you have higher change slipping in your bathroom and splitting your head than dying in car accident, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore car accidents... Your analogy is weird and irrelevant.
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  146.  @cesarvazquez4234  "It's funny to me how all the sudden everyone became car ppl and know everything about cars" Isint its you who made original comment implying that you know everything about cars?... Isint that ironic on itself? "If you care so much about climate change then take the bus, less ppl driving right. " It needs to be group effort... if you just go and shit all over the place then rest people wont manage to actually prevent climate change... I mean, its already too late, we passed that line, now its only question how worst it will get before it gets better IF we lower emissions. "But u won't lol I have a weird view." Yes, you do have weird view, we agree on that. "And guess what, servicing their own vehicle is a money saving." So all those parts you replace you got for free? No need to buy them? You just patch everything with hot glue? And just FYI electrical cars need allot less maintenance as you have like 100X times less moving parts, go figure. "Or neighborhood mechanics being able to fix u know the car." Just like back in the time people used horses and thought that owning car will be too expensive... And look where we are now... Its basically same situation, buying horse was cheaper than buying car, it even is now, but maintaining (feeding and all) horse is allot more expensive than a car. Same exact thing applies to EV's now, while it might cost more to actually buy one its maintenance/exploitation will be less. "Smh cars are the pinnacle of reliability and emissions friendly still getting more and more better" Do they? Do you have actual numbers how much "better" it got in past decade or two? And that doesn't resolve issue even if it did, its still way more than what EV's produce. "Let's not forget electric run thru tires at a significant rate higher than normal cars because of weight" Let's not forget that you don't need to change brake disks due to regenerative braking. Tit for tat I guess. " There goes 2 percent less to 1 percent lol" You still dint provided your citation for this 2% magical number, can you? Just to demonstrate that you are not some bozo who like to type away at something ya not even sure if it's true or false. Right? "But hey 👋 dude u keep saving the world 🌎" Yea, fuxk the planet, who needs it, we will be dead before it becomes to unbearable to live in it anyways, so who cares... Fuck the planet... What is your actual argument here? You cant afford EV so its bad?
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  147.  @cesarvazquez4234  "electronic modules and battery go out and aren't cheap lol" You think other cars dont have electronic modules? Where do you live? In Russia?... its 2022, every single car has electronic modules in them.... its not 90's anymore... Engines are not cheap ether. If you bothered to spend any time actually researching this instead of being buthurt you would know that you will need less maintenance on EV than you are on ICE car and total cost will be lower. Just because battery pack is expensive doesn't mean that you will need to change it every year... "But your buddy elon musk and the other business don't care about that" Like 99% of car manufacturers makes or plans to make electrical cars, so I guess everyone is bad because you dont like EV's... Ok. Tho why do you mention Elon in specific? Hating for sake of hating? Or being jealous that he became richest person on earth while you still stuck in your shitty job? Whats up with that? "Same way they don't care about the planet, it's all about the money remember that" You kind of need money to be able to produce shit... You know... That's how business works... Its not like you dont like money... Aren't you now? "Ppl like u don't know business use the quote save the world as a gimmick to get ppl to buy ev." Answer me this, its simple question and you should be able to answer it with "Yes" or "No" answer, question goes as: Does EV produce less CO2 emissions over its life span? Simple question, try to show that you are not keyboard warrior and honestly answer to this really simple question. Just FYI there are actual data supporting one of the answers, so you should want to actually fact check before you answer just to avoid showing yourself as a keyboard warrior who talks about things he has no idea about. Prove me wrong!
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  148. Or we could use BEV's... Actual studies have been done and BEV's end to end are cleaner than Hydrogen cars, not even talking about other benefits.
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  149.  @russianhomecat3313  Independent studies. Tho interesting thing to note here that you went straight away to Musk and not to something like Tesla as a company. Provide me with a study which done end to end research and determined that Hydrogen cars pollute less. And when I say "end to end" I mean entire cars life span, from its materials being mined to it being recycled after its no longer usable. Don't cherry pick single thing, look into entire thing.
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  150. Then buy hydrogen car and show them all how it's done!!!
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  151.  @ningendaggermouth  Inferiority complex? Buying new car is inferiority complex? Buying better cars is inferiority complex? Weird thing to say, but ok, you do you. And you do know that hydrogen cars are hell of a expensive ones with quite high maintenance costs? Right? Its not like you can get one for 10k and have 0 on maintenance costs...
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  152.  @ningendaggermouth  Its interesting that you mentioned 20k limit and then talked about 60k car. You do realize that majority of new cars independent of their fuel type costs over 20k? And how exactly is having money to buy car which costs over 20k is inferiority complex... inferiority complex is when you buy 500k car which isn't practical, fits only 2 people, creates excessive amount of noise and so on, but not 25k one...
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  153.  @ningendaggermouth  "As I said no sane person will dump $60k into a hydrogen car...or a shitty plastic Jeep" But this is not what you said, you said that people in general who pays more than 20k for a car have inferiority complex. It wasn't about hydrogen cars, it wasn't about poorly made cars, it was general statement of yours. "And you can still buy solid cars for under $20k" Yes, just like you could buy one for 100 bucks if you really wanted... Like, what actual point are you trying to make here? Car prices does have wide range, some are overpriced, some are not. New car for 20k or less will be some cheap tiny box "car". Can you get used one for that or less which is in good condition? Yes, but has no impact on actual point. "dumping more money into something which purpose is to drive you around the city and that will usually depreciate the moment you start driving it, is dumb" Tell me this then, from which magical place do you think used cars come from? Your magical 20k car was owned by someone before which drives price down over few years allowing you to buy it cheaper, years later. Welcome to economics 101. "instead of investing money they waste it on some stupid ass status symbol "white Mercedes" just to show the world "how successful they are"" ? Are you here just being jealous that someone can actually buy new Mercedes while you can't? Seriously... It so weird... Its like people can't spend their money in a way they want... If someone makes 500k in a year, I think they should be able to buy a car for 50k without you attempting to make fun of them for "wasting" money... Are you one of those who buys used toilet paper because buying new one would just be inferiority complex? "People are driven by the desire for others to envy them and they make wrong decisions" Or people simply wants cool stuff? "more and more cars are being repossessed because the idiots can't make the payments for their overpriced cars" And? "(and they are currently still the most inefficient no matter how much the author of this video would like to present it otherwise)" Like, care to present actual factual numbers to show that those are inefficient? Because by all actual scientific research ever done it was shown that BEV's are the most efficient ones. So like, on what basis can you make such wild statement? "Once I actually get my own home and save some money I would then and only then trade up from my current Dacia Sandero but the next car will still cost me under 20k and I'll enjoy driving it and laugh whenever I see an idiot driving a Bentley, a new Porsche 911 or a freaking G-class" ??? So your entire point is that YOU can't afford better car currently and YOU will spend money appropriate to what YOU can afford, while YOU will laugh at those who CAN afford better cars while saying that YOU will buy better one when YOU will be able to afford one... What's going on here?... Is your entire point "Don't buy car you can't afford" by making it overly complex? "so no it doesn't only have to be a 500k hyper car for someone to be a perfect example of an inferiority complex." Correct, but you should learn to avoid making general statement when you are talking about exceptions... I'm not even arguing against the fact that some people who barely survives from payslip to payslip decides to go on vacation or buys expensive stuff just to boast to their friends. But this doesn't have anything to do with some people buying more expensive cars when they can afford one.
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  154.  @ningendaggermouth  "I had to stop reading when you pulled the oh so predictable jealousy card" Because you sound like someone who is jealous of people who can afford more expensive cars... "who dumped insane amount of money into his crappy Ferrari, Porsche, some ugly Aston Martin SUV and a G wago" But we are not even talking about Ferrari here, we are talking about 20k+ cars, which is extremely cheap when it comes to cars in general, especially new ones. "because you can buy a good personal city car for under 20k" Yes, you could, or you could buy more expensive one if you have money... You could even buy a bicycle and avoid owning car in general... But it's non argument. "and everything above it is just people stroking their fragile egos" So they simply have money to spare?... Not everyone in the world are poor you know... Some can actually afford slightly more expensive cars, especially if they want to buy new one and not the one owned by 10 previous owners. "but if that's the only option that you see for that price that's your problem" That's the thing, its your problem. By your logic you should never buy anything more expensive than 500 bucks, because that car could serve your needs too... But there is the difference between buying car just to get from point A to point B and getting car which can do it allot more comfortably for more money. "meaning even if I could afford it I would never buy one or anything in that price range" Even if you were making 10 million in a year? You would not want to have a nice new unused car which provides all the comfort and features you could get? "to drive around the crowded Euro city" That's the funny thing, you could (in US you can) get something like Tesla BEV with FSD which would drive for you, you could relax and enjoy actual trip. Would that be a flex or buying something for your own convenience? Especially if you can afford it. "because I will do me and stay true to my values no matter the amount on my bank account" That's fine... You do you, issue is just with your incorrect statements here... Will clarify something here. Ironically enough I'm looking for a new car and I'm looking for something in a price range of 15k, was thinking about max 10k initially, but due to how low quality those cars are with barely any newer features I would like to get, had to go slightly higher. Which is basically max what I would be ready to give for my next car. Its not like I can't afford more expensive one, I can, its just that there is no point to do so for me personally. Main thing for me is to get newer car with more modern technology in it for to last like 10+ years before it starts to become completely outdated across the board. If I could I would drive single car for my entire live, but car's do break and at some point there is no longer a point to keep fixing it. Point is, if someone is buying new/used car which is more expensive than YOU can afford, this doesn't mean that they are trying to flex, maybe, just maybe they can afford it and they want to own that car and it is beneficial to them. Additionally. Buying BEV which initial cost is higher than ICE car can be more money saving than buying cheaper ICE one due to lack of maintenance costs and cheaper "fuel". So my question would be: Is it really a flex to buy a car which saves you more money in long run?
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  155. Hydrogen had its chance to take off, now every single company prioritizes BEV's over any hydrogen car, its too late, Hydrogen might only become relevant things in sectors where energy density is big criteria
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  156. But its not, isn't it? Hydrogen car sales are dwindling, while at same time being replaced with BEV's sales, which are on quite steep growth curve at the moment
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  157.  @modelaircraft6576  Its not really question of you being ready, at some point you wont be allowed to drive ICE car in public roads as much as you would like it, its on same exact line as it is now with horses, while you can still ride those, you cant really go to work on one. Europe bans new ICE car sales from 2035, so while it might take some time to take out existing ICE cars from the roads at some point you wont have real option besides buying EV's.
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  158. Reminder that hydrogen in its pure form doesn't exist on earth and you actually need to make it by introducing crap ton of power into entire process. Reminder that biggest lithium exporter is Australia. Reminder: Fact check.
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  159.  @IraFox84  Yes, it is stupid point to say that EVs need energy when hydrogen needs around 60% MORE of it... So yea, it is stupid point... How much pollution does lithium mining causes in comparison to how much pollution hydrogen production causes? Just FYI biggest source of hydrogen at this moment is natural gas. Yes, maybe fact check yourself.
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  160. That would be quite inefficient with added complexity with bunch of inconvenient things. Having 2 expensive cars put into one will not make it better solution.
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  161. Because hydrogen refueling stations are 100% different. While those might look externally similar, all the internals are 100% different. So in general its cheaper to build new one than to try to replace old one when everything needs to be changed.
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  162. If road cant handle 2,003 kg car then you seriously need to rethink quality of your roads...
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  163. Then go and buy one... If you want hydrogen cars then you will have to actually buy one... So have you?
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  164.  @emprr_  Because no one wants to buy hydrogen cars. This is why BEV's won over Hydrogen, you can plug those at your house and have it always full and to build charging station is relatively cheap. Hydrogen had its opportunity to become a thing, it failed, that's it. If it could not overtake market when BEV's have not been viable option, it has no chances to do it now when battery chemistry improves every single year, prices of those go down and we are getting more and more companies producing BEV's and miniscule amount of Hydrogen options.
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  165. How? By laying down basic facts?... Like, which part of this videos was false? And include explanation why its false.
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  166.  @Dreamriderindia5678  Said who? Because we have studies which shows that BEV's produce slightly less pollution than Hydrogen over its lifespan. You never fact checked this? Didn't you?
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  167.  @Dreamriderindia5678  You will have option to buy ICE cars for quite some time... Start complaining about it when you will no longer be able to get hands on one and then try to complain about price issues, if there will be any.
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  168.  @Dreamriderindia5678  Fact remain that we HAVE to transition to sustainable alternatives here, you want it or not, but oil is limited and it WILL run out sooner or later. Ban on new ICE cars being sold should start in 2035, so its 11 years away. This is only in Europe, which means that you can still import new cars from different countries and sell those as "used" even if those have only 2 miles driven. And then you will have additional 10+ years before last legally sold new cars become outdated. So its a possible issue which might be and issue in like 20'ish years from now in Europe... No one is banning ICE cars, there will only be limited access to new ones as we have to stop polluting environment if we want to keep living on this planet.
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  169.  @Dreamriderindia5678  European country, one of those which will get this ICe car ban in 2035 if that law remains active until then and not postponed.
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  170. Is it tho? You forgot to actually compare ranges from that full tank... Longest range with hydrogen is around 400 miles, while with petroleum car (ford focus) it would be around 1000. So you need to actually check price per mile and not just price per fill up.
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  171. Actual smart people did actual comparison on which cars pollute how much and BEV's came first as cleanest ones. Just a reminder that batteries can and are being recycled to make new ones which could be done or less indefinitely. And... Water isint fuel, hydrogen is, to get hydrogen from water you need to actually process it and that processing will cost you quite a bit and it will create extra pollution on its own.
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  172. That movie is from 2006 which could have applied to that time as you had basically zero BEV options, doesn't really have any value now tho.
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  173. Doesn't that same thing applies to BEV's? At the end of the day you still need around 60% more electricity to drive same distance with hydrogen car than you would with BEV. This is not even accounting additional complexities and costs involving entire hydrogen eco-system. Hydrogen is only somewhat viable for bigger transportations, like buses, semi, trains, ships, planes, but not for small passenger cars.
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  174. Youdo need electricity to produce hydrogen, and quite a bit more of that too... Even in comparison to hydrogen fuel cells you will need around 60% more electricity for same traveled distance. This doesn't even include the fact that you need to transport and store and distribute this hydrogen. It's a lot worse than you think...
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  175. @raymondjmcclain First law of thermodynamics makes your idea fictional at best. Electrolysis requires MORE electricity than you will ever had back from created hydrogen, so its non option.
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  176. We gonna recycle them by... Recycling them... Like what is your actual question here? We have bunch of companies already dealing with batter recycling and more underway.
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  177. Well true, for it to flop it would have needed to be a thing in the first place.
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  178. You still need to store it, transport it, store it again, then you can fill up your car and use it. There is huge energy loss on top of huge maintenance costs for all of this process. Just imagine trucks with 5000psi hydrogen tankers crossing city streets... "No Smoking" signs would be in 5 mile radius each time one gets noticed in the horizon.
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  179.  @IraFox84  EV's, some people actually did the math for end to end and how much pollution each of them causes. BEV's still won, to be fair, not by much, but still won. But what is interesting with you people is that it always ends up with "BuT Ev'S aRe BaD!11!1!" while commenting under video talking about hydrogen cars... Can you stick to the topic?...
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  180. Hydrogen even if it will improve it won't improve on same pace as BEV's does and due to extra complexity involved in this entire Hydrogen deal thing, it doesn't really have real chance to become anything more than niche thing for narrow use cases where energy density is more important than anything else.
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  181. EV's are most efficient from all the alternatives, so no idea how that makes them not efficient. Batteries can be and are recycled. You complaining about some countries exploiting their people is only that, some countries exploiting people, which is not related to BEV's, on top of that, for example biggest lithium exporter is Australia. You have this video which shows car with 3 huge hydrogen tanks, its range is around 400 miles. No idea how can you get additional 200 miles easily here...
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  182. False, like demonstrably false... BEV's can be charge at your house at night with your preset schedule when electricity prices are at lowest and every single day you will have full "tank" where 99% of users will never have a need to use superchargers. Its a mute complain...
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  183. You do know that hydrogen cars have their tanks with printed on expiration dates? Right? And for the battery, BEV's usually give you warranty on those for quite some time, in some cases it can be 10 years or 100k miles. You should actually look all this up before you start talking about it.
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  184. Hydrogen kind of works in things like buses, as you will have centralized hydrogen refueling place and buses generally have more than enough space to have those huge hydrogen tanks in them. Sadly this doesn't work for private passenger cars.
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  185. Biggest exporter of lithium is Australia... Hydrogen cars have their own list of issues, long list of issues, looooooong list of issues.
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  186.  @ZACKARDO  No, he is right, hydrogen cars are electric cars. Hydrogen is just a fuel to charge batteries in that car which will then use its power to turn motors. Difference between hydrogen fuel cell car and pure BEV is that hydrogen car will have smaller battery while containing 3 hyge hydrogen tanks to be used to charge that battery. Its electric car with extra steps.
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  187. First hydrogen combustion engine was invented in 1806, first hydrogen fuel cell was invented in 1966. How much more time do you need?
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  188. Its less green than BEV, ironically.
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  189. Home fueling?
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  190. BEV's you can charge at home or from any outlet out there, you can set schedule to charge your car when electricity supply is cheapest, this includes renewables. You don't need expensive and complex infrastructure to produce, transport and store hydrogen. Hydrogen doesn't appear from thin air, you are spending around 60% more energy from end to end to drive hydrogen car in comparison to BEV... And so on... There is only single benefit of Hydrogen at this moment, its energy density, other than this its losses on all fronts.
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  191.  @Mingothadingo  Nano carbon tube batteries are in extreme early development, while we can create few of those on tiny scale, there is still needs to be made scalable process, which could take decade or two, but tech is here already, it's an issue with scalability, just like hydrogen. Issue is that we have to transition to some sort of alternative. Hydrogen could have worked as middle step between gas and batteries like 20 years ago, but now, there is no point anymore. To build one hydrogen station costs around 1 million bucks, to build one BEV charging station costs around 50k, lets assume that you need 30 minutes of charging BEV and 5 minutes to fill up hydrogen car, which would be 6:1 ratio, so we are still looking at 300k to 1million, its still 3x more expensive to build hydrogen stations. This excludes actual maintenance costs, and believe me, those are huge for hydrogen ones. Top this with the fact that any wall socket can be your charging point only means that hydrogen doesn't really have much chances here to be anything more than someones expensive hobby. Hydrogen sounds only cool on paper, but sadly it doesn't scale when you start looking into it from start to end.
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  192. And this is why its not future as no one will invest billions in construction and billions in maintenance of those stations before there are enough cars to use it, and there wont be enough cars if there are no refueling stations.
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  193. What?
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  194. @mamuebav Will put it in simple terms. To travel, lets say, 100km, you will need 60% more electricity for hydrogen car than you will need for BEV. Why? Because producing hydrogen takes crap ton of power and then converting hydrogen back to electricity has its own efficiency losses. This adds up quickly. And BEV batteries can be recycled fully and reused to make new batteries more or less infinite amount of times, so once lithium is mined it will be used over and over and over and over again for battery production.
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  195. We are getting new battery chemistries every single year, multiple of those, and this will only increase with more interest in new battery chemistries we will get. So no, we will not run out of resources to make batteries, like seriously, check actual reserves of those resources needed to make current generation batteries, those increased multiple times because there was a need to find new mining locations for those.
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  196. What happens if oil runs out? What happens if there wont be any fresh water to be used for hydrogen production? What happens when sun goes supernova?... If materials start to run out, you can have your question, until then, its not an issue and you can always recycle existing ones.
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  197.  @chrismayer3919  This is why we are starting to shift towards renewables before oil runs out... At the moment best option is BEV's, because hydrogen cars ONLY sound good on paper and isn't scalable in reality.
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  198. There are situations when you need that extra speed, you might not need 0-60 in 3 seconds, but like when you need to merge with faster moving trafit, that extra umph helps allot.
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  199. Cleaner is better, best would be distilled water. This is why majority of hydrogen at this moment is being acquired from natural gas.
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  200. You think that BEV's cost you more in taxes than it would by switching towards eFuel?... Naive are we?
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  201. Care to explain? As hydrogen cars are still a flop.
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  202. Cool, what potential does hydrogen have? Like, give actual example.
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  203. Hydrogen cars have been around for quite some time now, those had their chance to become relevant, it's too late now due to enormous increase in BEV's, so yes, Hydrogen cars flopped.
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  204.  @bh.76  Each time manufacturers tried to bring in hydrogen cars and offer those to buyers it failed. One of the main drawbacks is lack of refueling stations which will remain huge issue due to complexity and cost to make one. It's a lot more complicated and alot more expensive thing to build, not even talking about transportation of hydrogen from plant to station and its storage in general. BEV's main draw back is its cost, which mainly being determined by battery itself, but, battery cost is dropping down rapidly, its performance is increasing with each year, station count is increasing exponentially, not even to mention that you can charge your BEV at your home from basic wall socket. What is my point is that transition to BEV's is allot simpler, faster and cheaper in comparison to hydrogen cars, so Hydrogen cars did flopped. For comparison, as of now we have over 2 million BEV charging stations worldwide, while there are only like 1000 of hydrogen stations in entire world...
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  205. How long does your car usually last? 5? 10 years? And do you really want to account everything? Like oil spills too? Because that wont really help your case, isint it?
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  206.  @colinboertje3305  Good for you, in 15 years your will be able to buy used electrical car. With something like Tesla model Y you have structural battery which can be easily removed and replaced with new one if needed. But you wont need to do that for cars life time, unless you are some hard core driver who wants to hit one million mile range or something. Average cost to repair ICE car is higher than cost to repair electrical one.
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  207. Art Diary Please fact check before you express your opinion about something.
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  208. That would be the case if we didn't had BEV's taking majority of the car market at the moment.
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  209. it's not free energy...
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  210. It can, but its more efficient to convert hydrogen into electricity than to use it as explosive fuel.
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  211. There are BEV's with 500 mile range, duno why you would ever need anything more than that. BEV can be charged in like half an hour, it all depends on charger. Charging car at home from wall socket could take few hours, but that can be easily done over night while you sleep, so no issues there. Chargers are convenience for you and it will be more expensive as its not located at your house and usually can charge your car exponentially faster than you could ever do at your home, so no idea why are you surprised that its more expensive. Infrastructure is growing and its exponentially bigger one. There are under 1000 hydrogen refueling stations in entire world, while there are over 3 000 000 bev dedicated charging stations, so if you think that BEV's lack infrastructure, then hydrogen cars have non existing one. Battery production is expensive, this is why initial BEV price usually will be higher than ICE car, nothing surprising with that. There are Tesla cars made in like 2012 which are still on the road, ironically due to how long lasting BEV batteries actually ended up we don't have enough of those to be recycled and for bigger recycling plants to be built yet, as there isint a real need. And you can recycle majority of the battery and reuse materials for new one. Government can tax hydrogen, because 100% of hydrogen needs to be produced... Differently than BEV's which can be charged from basic solar panels, you would need expensive hydrogen equipment to produce it and to actually pump it to your hydrogen car tanks which might require up to 10 000 psi pressure to do so, which means that you would need expensive pressure pumps which could actually handle pressures like that. Hydrogen is the most abundant element, but there is ZERO of it in a pure form on earth. Biggest supply of it could be from water, but that need crap ton of energy to be extracted from it. If you think that government is forcing you to buy BEV's, then why are you not buying hydrogen car? Support your ideas here, promote hydrogen by actually buying one, be the one who pushes hydrogen cars forwards!
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  212. Och yea, its less flamable, it only vaporizes you in case you puncture that 10 000psi tank...
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  213. You recycle it and reuse materials to make new one. Actual studies have been done and it was shown that BEV's create slightly less pollution from end to end than Hydrogen cars do. This includes everything, from material mining to car's disposal/recycling.
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  214. Elon never said that Tesla will have Hydrogen cars... Congrats, you have been duped. Fact check before you engage in conversations like that. Hydrogen cars will not become a thing, it had its chances, its too late now. And you are not driving on water, you are driving on Hydrogen... Learn the difference here.
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  215. Its like saying "Make your own petroleum" while you could do it technically speaking, issue is that it would cost you arm and leg to do it, so this is why no one does it. Same thing with hydrogen, it involves more steps than just sticking 2 electrodes into cup of water.
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  216. Put away your tin foil hat... Multi billion companies are attempting to make hydrogen cars, you can buy one today if you really want, so clearly your comment makes zero sense here.
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  217.  @Cole_Cross  Then go and buy hydrogen car and support its adoption... Multiple car companies tried to push hydrogen cars, some even offer you 15k on the fuel, just go and buy. But thing is, no one actually wants them and those who tried just sells them as quick as possible. Hydrogen car's simply do not work, those ONLY sound cool in news papers with titles as "Car runs on water" and that's that. It will cost you like 150 bucks to fill up 350 mile range tank. Basically you will be paying 40 cents per mile. This is just not viable option as alternative and its ONLY taking into consideration hydrogen price and not looking into mile long list of other issues surrounding this entire thing. Last year best selling car in the world was Tesla Model Y, fully electric. Electric cars are more expensive for its initial price, but it can and will be cheaper if you drive a lot with it, because electricity price is relatively tiny, maintenance basically non existing. This is why BEV taking over while hydrogen cars never had a chance.
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  218.  @Cole_Cross  Check your local hydrogen refueling stations and their prices... By the way, all hydrogen tanks have expiration dates printed on them, which is around 5-8 years, goodluck replacing those. Similar thing with fuel cell itself.
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  219.  @Cole_Cross  Same price? Which would be what? Either you have unusually low hydrogen prices or unusually high gas prices.
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  220.  @Cole_Cross  Its only in California where you have hydrogen stations which can provide you with some options, check any other state and it will make it crystal clear that its not viable option for anyone. Issue is with how expensive it is to build one and how much money you have to put into its maintenance. Hint: its a crap ton of money. This is why there are under 1000 hydrogen stations in entire world and those numbers barely going up even with government support.
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  221.  @Cole_Cross  5.5-6.5 bucks for a KG of hydrogen? Which station is that exactly? Because of my knowledge hydrogen prices are around 36 bucks per KG
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  222. You do know you can just reply to my comment directly? No idea how me being alive in 1975 would change anything here. I can be 5 year old or 95, makes zero difference here. Ford can buy whatever they want, doesn't really make that patent actually valuable.
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  223. You can recycle battery to like 92% each time, so its not like entire battery will be disposed, it will be reused.
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  224. @yuki1496ny Did you just got scammed?
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  225.  @yuki1496ny  I mean that there are tons of fake videos promising magical solutions, doesn't make those true. Have you ever fact checked your claim here? No? Why not?
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  226.  @yuki1496ny  What's the technology called or whats the name of the video?
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  227.  @yuki1496ny  So it's just a tv show? Not actual report by actual Toyota? So will ask again: have you fact checked those claims? No? Why not?
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  228.  @yuki1496ny  Solid-state batteries are that... Batteries... Not hydrogen storage cube thing you mentioned originally...
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  229.  @yuki1496ny  In your video at 0:20 if this is Toyota R&D department then they are in big trouble... And its only a claim, not actual proof that Toyota is even related to this video or its contents. We had videos from respectful (atleast at that time) sources that there is a car which runs on pure water... That magical cube might produce small amounts of hydrogen, but its useless, first of all, you will need to put it into some sort of container, then you will need to collect hydrogen while separating oxygen and then pressurize it and put it into tank... And after that you will need to take out remains of that cube, clean everything and repeat same meaningless task. No one in their right mind would think that this is a good solution, its vaporware.
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  230.  @yuki1496ny  What link? Youtube is picky when it comes to any links in comment section, you you will have trouble posting anything if it contains any url. Giving exact name of video and channels name is the best option to avoid auto filtering.
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  231. Ok.
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  232. You need extreme pressures, you need to keep it cool and due to the fact that its Hydrogen (tiny molecule) it leaks from basically any tank. Its not as easy as you might think. Hydrogen will never become main stream, it might get its uses in areas where energy density is more important than efficiency and price, but regular cars will never be the ones.
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  233. Because you fell for a silly scam. There is no such thing as electrolysis inside the car which would make any practical sense. You need to put in more energy than you will get back out of that process, basically you need 2 kg hydrogen to make 1kg of hydrogen. This is besides the point that you can't use generic engine with hydrogen without melting it over the time.
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  234.  @e.a.342  Nuclear waste is "unsolved" because nuclear waste emits particles which can't be contained by simple sealed container, you need to put bunch of heavy material to prevent if from leaking out. This is not the case with battery materials, while those could be toxic to environment, but same thing applies to most elements out there, anything in more concentrated quantities isn't good to environment. We simply need more recycling plants and improve recycling methods, which should come natural as more BEV's gets into circulation and more BEV's starts to become outdated. We are still at the start of BEV's batteries becoming unusable on bigger numbers as BEV's became bigger thing in last decade, so not many to be recycled at the moment. You basically have 10 year delay from BEV production to it being recycled, or even more. We will see how it goes in next few years.
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  235. " in 10 years everybody would figure out how to make fuel for free" ? You mean like using solar panels to charge BEV's, which already being done by people?
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  236. That's cool and all, but some people actually live in places where that heat from engine isn't being used to heat their cabin but additional load on engine being added to drive generator which could drive AC in their cars. And there is new invention, some call it "electric heater"
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  237. First of all, water isint free. Second, hydrogen isint free. Third, oil companies killed it. Fourth, it has more draw back than EV's. Should I go on or is this enough?
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  238. Combustion system are even more stupid... HICE engine vs Hydrogen fuel cell is TWICE as inefficient, so take math from this video for hydrogen engine and double it. Its the worse option for anything. HICE engines are only a thing just because you can potentially convert existing ICE engines and those produce that engine sound, but that's it, its extremely inefficient
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  239. Silent Reviews But like... Why? Why not invest this money into EV's instead? Why waste money on worst option when there is better one?
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  240.  @polska905  I do have a clue, you simply have no clue why hydrogen cars don't need lizard people intervention for it to not become anything more than someones expensive hobby. You don't need to kill something what isn't alive.
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  241. Yet BEV's are taking off anyways, so it doesn't look like big oil can stop a good product.
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  242. First hydrogen fuel cell car was made in 1966, so its not that new of a technology, but it hardly improved over the years due to basic limitations of the laws of physics. Hydrogen cars are basically at their peak performance, there might be few % improvements made over the years, but nothing substantial. And when you have better alternatives like BEV's then why would anyone invest billions into technology which already losing to it?
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  243.  @FriedChkn4Eva  BEV - battery electric vehicle And no idea how my first sentences proved you right here. Hydrogen technology hardy improved, not because no one tried, but because there isn't much to improve anymore, just like ICE cars hardly improved in last few decades, those reached peak performance/efficiency rates quite some time ago, while BEV's just keep's improving without any clear sign of limitations ahead.
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  244.  @FriedChkn4Eva  "let alone the common American family household being able to afford a car like that" Why not? Lithium battery price dropped 5.5 times since 2000's... Lithium battery capacity doubled since 2000's. So on what basis you could say that something will not be accessible for regular people? Every single new technology will be expensive one, but it always goes down in price and up in quality. Just check prices of first flat screens... You could have bought a house for one, even tho its quality was shit in comparison to what you can get for 100 bucks in local home depo. "Id like to see some road tests and cross country driving personally before i shell out over 100k for a electric supercar??" Why? Like why do you need electric supercar? And there are plenty of videos with people doing cross America trips in BEV's, in particular by using Tesla cars. "All the Teslas just mostly look like they’re great… for driving around the city" Because you need more than 350 miles of range to go outside the city?... Like, what reason would there be to not be able to drive Teslas outside cities? "I do think a happy medium is HYBRID" Hybrids' are the worse, you will have 1.5 cars in one, which would be 1.5 higher maintenance costs and 1.5 times higher chance for something to go wrong. "as the way to go if they wanna keep the petrol users happy and still keep a clean environment" How the hell is petroleum car keeps environment clean?... Entire point about BEV's is to have sustainable and cleaner solution here, if you have bunch of hybrids and everyone uses the petroleum portion, then what's the point? "stuck somewhere in the wilderness or anywhere where its hard to get help, you can’t start the car in all electric" You can charge it... You know... "sources like Lithium are not really in abundance and when there is a shortage, that causes problems in the market." And there are more than one battery technology and more are being invented. And its not like we have infinite amount of oil either... Its not a question if we will need to switch from petroleum to something sustainable, it's only question "When?" and sooner we do it better it will be for environment and for us.
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  245. Well as Hydrogen cars never been alive to begin with, that would mean that no one killed it...
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  246. Europe focusing on hydrogen? I live in europe and this is first time I heard it... Hydrogen cars in europe are as popular as everywhere else: not.
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  247. People said same thing about horses... Goodluck with that.
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  248. Energy density is not a part of efficiency... Entire talk was about how much energy you will need from end to end to drive same amount of distance... ICE cars are the worst ones, then Hydrogen and then BEV's.
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  249.  @therealjohnsquad  You still mixing energy density with efficiency here. If you want to talk that ICE cars are more efficient in a sense that those can carry more energy and drive longer, then yea, you will have a point here, but its not efficiency, it's just energy density. Most of that energy in ICE cars is being converted into heat. When it comes from end to end and how much energy you will use to drive X distance BEV's will win against ICE and Hydrogen cars because BEV's directly stores and uses energy with efficient means of energy transportation from the plant which produces it to car itself.
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  250. If you have abundance of energy to produce Hydrogen.
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  251.  @mrmurdock6994  Exactly my point... And thanks for proving me correct here. The share fact that you mentioned internal combustion engine instead of fuel cell shows how little to NOTHING you know about this topic. Fuel cell engines have TWICE the efficiency, aka it can drive you twice as far with same amount of hydrogen. It's a toy for rich people, nothing more. If it exists at all. What you only heard is "Toyota V8 Hydrogen engine" and just "forgot" to fact check about actual fuel consumptions and its range... Because it's not mentioned... Just try to guess why... Some estimations buts it at 3.5x less efficient than hydrogen fuel cells, yes, its even worse than economic HICE engines, who could thought that it will not be a good idea to make V8 hydrogen engines... Please, for your own good, actually research this topic before you try to talk about it...
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  252. Education time! Hydrogen needs to be produced and if you would use electrolysis you would need around 60% MORE electricity, so all of your arguments against BEV's and electricity production sources will bite your butt 60% more.
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  253. Not really possible, to create hydrogen you need to use water and bunch of energy to separate it from oxygen molecule, which on itself is the expensive part which can't be simply bypassed by some magical thing, as you will need that energy either way. Best case scenario would be for us finally making nuclear fusion reactor which would give more energy than we need and we could use that excess to waste on hydrogen production, otherwise its not really a good way to go.
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  254. Which makes even less sense as you are getting half the efficiency, aka you will be paying 2x to travel same distance, on top of huge maintenance costs as hydrogen will melt your entire engine over time.
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  255.  @noniespam  There is so called "hydrogen embrittlement" which well, makes materials brittle over time. This is why hydrogen tanks are usually coated in ceramics to minimize that issue, but even then you will have literal expiration date printed on those tanks, which is around 7 years. Engines itself suffers from this on top of issue with actually containing hydrogen due to how small it is. Infrastructure is non existing, you only have something going on in California, single state in entire country, but even then its barely getting new stations and quite few are closing at same time, like shell recently pulled out all its hydrogen stations entirely. Toyota might be doing something with hydrogen fuel cell technology, which is better than combustion engines, still suffers from same issues, its just more efficient and cheaper to maintain. While hydrogen has more energy, its loses when you check its energy density per volume, this is why most hydrogen cars have 3 huge hydrogen tanks to get around 400 mile range. As sad as it is, hydrogen only sounds cool on paper, all those news paper titles "car runs on water" was nice clickbait for its time, but due to enormous list of complications it will not work out. BEV's are not perfect, but at the moment those are the best option we have.
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  256. Shatter Blaster What is the power loss when you charge your car with solar panels on your house roof?
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  257. Its extremely old technology... And it still yet to catch up? Why? Hydrogen combustion engine invented in 1806, hydrogen cell engine in 1966, how much more time do you need to invent a thing which could actually work? As from the looks BEV's are taking over on rapid pace, those are getting better and better each year while hydrogen remains same terrible option like it was 50 years ago
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  258. Because hydrogen needs to be produced by using same electricity you would use to charge BEV's... BEV's skips production step in this case.
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  259. They are not much up to, just going bankrupt by wasting time and money on hydrogen.
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  260. Seen where? Because in US its like $30 per kg. So where exactly have you seen those tiny prices?
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  261.  @IraFox84  So then, will ask you... So where exactly have you seen those tiny prices?
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  262. There are countless expensive projects companies invested billions for them to just disappear into oblivion.
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  263. Yes yes yes, like we heard "Tesla killer is just around the corner!!!" for past 10 years... GM and Honda can try to make those magical cars, if people starts buying them, cool, until then it's just empty claims and empty promises from car companies like they did for decades. And no, even if California gets more hydrogen cars that will not mean that every other place could do the same.
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  264. Fun fact #1: You can recycle batteries. I know, shocker, but still... Fun fact #2: Biggest lithium provider is Australia. Fun fact #3: Zero people returned with explanation about metal hydride characteristics after being asked to elaborate more with actual numbers. Weird thing, its like people just heard those words and decided that it's the holy grail of everything by default.
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  265.  @christiantaylor7901  There aren't that many to be recycled, that's the interesting part, batteries held way better than expected so there isn't that many dedicated recycling facilities built yet, its just starting, but those are being built which will recycle all of those batteries. And you once more mentioned your magical Nickel Metal Hydride. What are those? Which facilities recycle them? At what cost? At what rate? How does that even compare to actual batteries? And for material sourcing, what you are complaining here is about COUNTRIES exploiting people, not that technology itself is bad. And there are more than one battery technology and more to come out with different chemistries. So maybe instead of complaining about batteries requiring rare materials, maybe complain about countries exploiting people? If companies are secretive about this magical Nickel Metal Hydride, then how the f**k do you know that its the holy grail? How many companies do you recall saying that they have magical technology in the works which never came out as one? Its the point of the company to say that they have ground breaking thing on their hands, that's how they will get investments... But if they can't present any actual verifiable numbers than its just a random magical claim. Its like the people who claims to have engines running on pure water... Atleast in that case we know that they are full of shit due to basic physics, in your case with Nickel Metal Hydride we have no idea what that is and how to eat it. Yet you think that its a really good thing, while at same time you admit to know jack shit about it because they are not sharing any actual information about it... Do you see tiny issue here? You know how you can store hydrogen? By bonding it to... Oxygen... You know, in that for its really safe and stable we usually refer to as water... Why arent we doing that? Maybe there is a good reason why this is the case?... Even if they bonded hydrogen to some element and got some good density, doesn't mean that its actually viable option. Basic questions remain, like "How much energy do you need to separate it from that bond?" or "How quickly it can do it?" or "How much weight will that entire thing be?" or "How much will it cost to produce?" You know, basic questions which are the corner stone of every single technology. If you need same amount of energy or close to it just to separate hydrogen from one magical Nickel Metal Hydride, then what's the point? How much energy will you get from that entire tank? Will you be able to drive 10 miles with it? As you will use separated hydrogen to produce electricity to use that to separate more hydrogen... So how much is left after all this process? Its like having can of water and saying that this stores hydrogen perfectly and in perfectly safe form. Well, yes. But you will need MORE energy to extract hydrogen from that water than you will get back from using it. Do you see potential issue now with your magical Nickel Metal Hydride? Och to add to all this, there is actual holy grail of batteries, graphene based, those are extremely good, safe and clean and easy to recycle. Issue is that at this moment in time we don't know how to actually mass produce them, basically we know how to make those, but we don't know how to scale production up due to complexity involving. This is the actual technology which is worth someone's time, not some weird wapor ware as Nickel Metal Hydride you know nothing about.
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  266. You forgot to... Fact check before parroting something as stupid as this.
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  267.  @richardrandomk  You can just do some google search, i'm to lazy to look up actual articles about it. To put it simply, EV produce more CO2 when those get built, but this gets offset in like 2 first years of usage, so in average over cars life span you will produce allot less CO2 even if you would keep using same unclean power sources, like coal plants, switching to renewables would shift that even more.
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  268. You know what you can use solar or wind for?... To charge BEV's battery... Shocker, I know...
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  269. But its not...
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  270.  @Matt561  But its not...
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  271.  @Matt561  How the hell is it not dependent on grid? You need 60% more electricity to travel same distance, so you are more depending on a grid... Without ability to recharge at home... And if power goes down, hydrogen refueling station will not give you any hydrogen, so good luck with that. First of all, by product is NOT only water. You still need to produce hydrogen to begin with. Second, you need fresh water, which means that in places where its already an issue when it comes to fresh water access having cars which consumes it isn't a solution. So yea, its not...
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  272.  @Matt561  No idea what you are trying to even say here. Not dependent to charge the car? What? Are you saying that its using different technology than BEV's?... Like... Duh... Its hydrogen car... Even tho hydrogen fuel cell car technically is a electrical car, just with extra steps.
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  273. Bot? Or is it @YashRaj-m8b a bot who made same exact comment one hour later
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  274. You can't fix basic laws of physics...
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  275. Which makes that hot rod just an expensive toy. Hydrogen combustion engines are the half efficiency in comparison to fuel cell ones, on top of that, V8 would be like only 25% of fuel cell engine... Aka your hot rod is even more impractical.
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  276. Why?
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  277.  @AmanNama-wv5dt  "well for starters u can make hydrogen straight up with just connectin a solar panel to water" Well yes, just like you could make your own petroleum from crude oil... How many are actually doing that? Equipment and work required to do this on private scale is way higher than you will get back, this is why you don't have private petroleum factories in everyone's garages or even near cities. Its just economically not viable. " has all the benefits of a convectional car" ? Like what? Hydrogen cars require bunch of space for their tanks, this is not conventional... Hydrogen cars are basically electrical ones, most of them have batteries to equalize delivered power and to have source of power on actual instantaneous demand. "fast charging" By how much? 5-10 minutes? How much more will you be paying in comparison to BEV's? 150+ bucks for full "tank"? Do you make 150 in 5-10 minutes for this to be worth your saved time? By the way, you can charge BEV at your house over night, so charging times are non existing and every day you have full "tank" "ability to carry fuel in a container so ur not a grid addict" No, just no... This is definitely a false information. Hydrogen in these cars gets up to 10000 PSI, yes, this high. You can't just have a tank of hydrogen you can carry around in a meaningful way... It would be way easier to carry a battery... "and u dont need to make billions of batteries and pollute the environment in the process" How do you think hydrogen is being made currently? Natural gas... Do you think that this actually is cleaner than BEV's? No, no its not. Calculations have been done on BEV and hydrogen fuel cell cars, while both are really close on overall pollution, BEV still wins, not by much, but still wins. "just imagine how much stress it' gonna cause to fucken rebuild the electric grid in the whole world to handle EV charging" And this is why you should spend more than 5 minutes on this topic before you start claiming that one is better than the other. Did you know that producing hydrogen will require 60% MORE electricity to drive you same distance as it would with pure BEV? So your argument about the grid works against hydrogen cars. Even tho its non issue, grid expands based on demand, just like it did for its entire existence. "its impossible they just selling bullshit" But it is possible, car manufacturers have specific goals governments sets for them, companies are required to start shifting towards cleaner solutions, so they want it or not, they simply have to make something, it can be complete rubbish, but they still need to make it just to tick that "I make green stuff" check box. "we talking here insane amounts of energy and the resources we need just to make it all lmao" And we will need way more for hydrogen cars, so you are debunking your own argument here.
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  278. Water isint hydrogen... Its like saying "It became 'impractical' when they try to sell you Petroleum instead of crude oil"... Do you see issue here? While petroleum is made from crude oil for you to actually create petroleum you will need more than a 5 buck equipment...
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  279.  @kentzo85  to make hydrogen on low volume just for the sake of making it, well, that part is easy. Now do it in continuous way and then transfer it to a car with 7000 psi and you will start noticing complications here and there... There is a reason why single hydrogen refueling station costs over 1 million bucks... Because it requires expensive equipment... Try to google out basic equipment to make hydrogen on daily basis with compressor which could handle hydrogen and get it over 7000 psi and lets see what the bill will be for that... Just like you could make petroleum from crude oil in your garage, doesn't make it practical or economically viable option.
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  280. Batteries can use multiple different combinations of materials and more comes out every single year... Getting materials for batteries isint really an issue. Not even talking that you can recycle like 95% of the battery and reuse it for new EV.
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  281. It was, two decades or so ago, now it's BEV's.
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  282. This is because you think that you need to wait 2 hours just to top off. I would strongly recommend to actually research this topic instead of going by the information from 90's.
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  283.  @icholi88  First of all, BEV should be charged up to 80% for daily driving and only for long trips you can go to 100%. Tho its side thing, but clearly you didn't know that. 2022 Kia EV6 Wind AWD charge time from 5 to 100% is 44 minutes. So you are factually incorrect on that. I mean, I can't even find a BEV which takes longer than 90 minutes to fully charge. So again, you are using data from 90's as it seems. And if i recall correctly some company like 1-2 months ago did a fast charging test where they recharged car fully in like 10-15 minutes. So not only you failed to realize that BEV's don't need 2+ hours to charge, you failed to understand that there are quite few technologies in development which can cut that charging time basically to the same ones you will spend at hydrogen station. "You are either a corporate plant or intentionally ignorant. " This is so ironic from someone who thinks that you need 2+ hours to charge BEV... C'mon... "Range and charge time remains a problem for most electric vehicles compared to fossil" Aaaaand? BEV's now usually have 300miles, some have 500. How often do you need to travel that far in one go? And charge times are nonexistent issue if you simply charge your car at home over night while you sleep, isn't it? There are bunch of people who use their solar panels to charge their cars which makes their travel at lowest cost possible and always have full "tank" before leaving to work. "Hydrogen resolves the largest issues of both" By asking 200 bucks for 400 mile range? Yea, no... There is reason why some companies gives 15k for the fuel when you buy hydrogen car, even then people struggle to refuel due to lack of infrastructure due to how bonkers and demanding it is. "It just requires a completely different infrastructure to support it while electric already is taken care of because of the existing grid." yes, and this will not change. To build single hydrogen refueling station you need to invest around one million bucks, while BEV charging station can be like 50k or even less. This doesn't even takes into consideration how much more maintenance you need for hydrogen stations and how often they break due to their complexity. And not even taking into consideration that any wall socket can be used for charging your BEV. Hydrogen cars are non starter, those ONLY sound cool on paper but doesn't work in reality. Too many issues with its fundamental technology.
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  284. Riiiiiight, all 5 of them... And just because car manufacturer decides to make car model in extremely low numbers doesn't make that technology not a flop... We had dozens of attempts by now from car manufacturers to sell hydrogen cars, every single time it failed.
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  285. Hydrogen cars already have battery, so what you are talking about is the car in this video.
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  286. "Hoover Dam and other will in 5 years stop producing Electricity because of the lack of Water . Climate change is a HOAX" Why do you think Hoover dam lacks water?... Yes... This is why... Climate change... "OH forgot Lithium batteries can;t be recycled" Everyone disagrees with your opinion. "Now if U want to produce electric power in the quantity we will need then it must be Nuclear like France." If nuclear power replaces current electricity production we will run out of uranium in like 20 years. Its limited resource, none renewable. Will last for some time on current scale, but its not sustainable.
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  287. @tellit2my9 Basic physics explanation here. You need 2000g of hydrogen to make 1000g of hydrogen. And no, those numbers are not backwards. You need double the amount of hydrogen if you will use it to create more hydrogen, which defeats entire purpose. What you got here is just you being scammed after you watched some random video on youtube or facebook where it claimed that you can create hydrogen on demand... Technology like this simply can't exist due to basic first law of thermodynamics, anyone who says otherwise are just lying or simply spreading lies without knowing it.
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  288. patrick cockell You are kind of right, for something to be flopped you need for it to be a thing to begin with. Hydrogen never was a real thing, so there isint for anything to flopp.
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  289. Hydrogen cars have literal expiration date written on their tanks... And its around 3-5 years. And hydrogen fuel cell has one, which is like 6-8 years. Good luck replacing those.
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  290. Petrol isint better, no idea in which reality you think that it is... Are you just saying that its better because its less expensive?
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  291.  @wsbill14224  Are you one of those who just parrots talking points made by some big oil company and never bothered to fact check?... For your own sake, go and fact check which fuel types produces most pollution, END TO END.
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  292. Hydrogen is a bad energy storage solution, there are better ones, if we are talking about general energy storage from excess energy production.
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  293.  @bpeng2000  I mean, yea, hydrogen can work for buses, trains and similar heavy equipment, will not work for regular passenger cars. And for energy storage, well, there are hot salt ones, hot sand, some water ones where you have one pond lower than the other and so on. Hydrogen simply introduces quite a bit of complexity and maintenance costs to be viable for any excess energy storage. Using that excess to make hydrogen which you will then use in trains, planes or what not, kind of works, but you would still need to produce that hydrogen on site and it would be split across all those separate sectors... Hard to say how viable that would be.
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  294. First of all, in 99% of times you are not charging from 0 to 100, second, this time is getting down and some new battery technologies promising 10 minute charge times from 0 to 100. Second, for regular driving you wont even need to charge it specifically as it can do it over night from basic wall socket, so this time would only be relevant when you are doing 300+ mile trips, but even then you can quickly top up battery in few minutes every 150miles or so, which is more than enough of range for you to stop and stretch your legs anyways. Hydrogen isint future, its quite bad alternative when you actually start looking into it.
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  295. You would need to carry that water around, but in general you could have system which collects that pure water and when you go to refuel your Hydrogen car you could have second outlet which could be used to dispense water out and get some discount. But that introduces allot of extra parts and more complexity which isn't really worth the trouble.
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  296. Your idea will never work in this reality. First law of thermodynamics prevents this.
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  297. vs 60 000 BEV's charging stations in US alone.
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  298. Yes yes yes, just like every single BEV manufacturer claimed to have Tesla killer just around the corner...
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  299. You do realize that this technology is available like on wiki page entire world can check and reproduce? Right?...
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  300. How much its worst/better than you have with old production lines? And how many oil spills into ocean would make it worst than anything clean energy produced?
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  301.  @hulknotlikepunybanner  He did got you there, so take your L and be happy with it.
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  302. You do know that this hydrogen car already has battery in it and uses electric motors in general? It's already a hybrid, all of them are.
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  303. Result of clickbait news papers titles like "cars which can drive on water" which result in people literally believing that there was this magical technology allowing for cars to drive on literal tap water and now government hides it from society... People don't understand that it was about hydrogen cars which drive on hydrogen and not on water.
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  304. There is no such thing as hydrogen on the go...
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  305.  @timhodgson4423  Its called: Scam. You might not be familiar with that as you only watch one type of videos, but you should learn to fact check things before you try to spread that misinformation around. But heck, please, give me names of those cars which run on water and sources you know that those cars actually run on water... Random link to random youtube video about random person making claims will not be enough here, just saying.
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  306. That's hydrogen fuel cell...
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  307. No one really wanted hydrogen 20 years ago when BEV's wasn't even a thing, so we don't need battery breakthrough for Hydrogen to be a thing which no one wants, because no one wanted it, ever.
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  308.  @JohnJaggerJack  Good to know.
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  309. Every car company advertises car acceleration if its any good, electrical cars by its nature has really good acceleration so its natural for cars being advertised with that number up front. When it comes to people misusing that feature its the fault of people and not the cars.
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  310.  @Twiggy163  Solution is to educate people, not to cripple cars just because some can't behave like normal human beings. And electrical cars which don't advertise their acceleration simply has poor acceleration.
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  311.  @Twiggy163  Depends on car model and type this acceleration can be good or bad. Entire advertisement section is based on showing information which put you ahead of most competitors.
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  312.  @Twiggy163  To which level? Like, how would you decide to which level it needs to be toned down? In general having better acceleration means that you will perform overtaking maneuver faster which is safer than trying to do it with a shitty car. So to which level would you tone it down?
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  313. He has multiple other companies to work on and honestly, hydrogen will not be anything more than someones hobby in a shed.
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  314. There is 0 of pure hydrogen on earth, ALL of it needs to be produced. Hydrogen cars simply do not work as valid alternative, especially when we are getting BEV's now. Maybe it would have worked if it was only option and we had to transition away from oil products, but now, not a chance.
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  315.  @TheAnnoyingBoss  We have different technologies for batteries and more will come in time... Not even talking about the fact that you can actually recycle batteries and reuse majority of it in a new one. And I have no idea in which reality you live in where electrical cars are not efficient... You literally need like 50-60% more energy to drive Hydrogen car in comparison to EV... Not even mentioning ICE cars. Do you think that Hydrogen just magically appears from thin air in pressurized containers on its own?
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  316.  @somethingelse9535  LFP isint Hydrogen, that's like the main point here, its quite different from any other technology and requires specific infrastructure. To give some numbers here, one hydrogen station costs around 1million to build, while one BEV charging station and be 100k or even 50k, that's not even including actual maintenance costs which would be enormous due to hydrogen being extremely corrosive, like, heck, Hydrogen cars have literal expiration dates written on their tanks, which is around 5 years due to hydrogen embrittlement. It only sounds cool on paper, but when you start to dive deeper you realize how unviable this option actually is. And, have you seen existing hydrogen cars which can do 400 miles? Tiny back seat, HUGE middle column, tiny trunk. Why? Because you need 3 huge tanks to get this range, this will basically never change as you can't really go any higher on pressure and you can't fit more tanks (not that you even want to have 3 of them to begin with), so its not scalable and not practical. Price would drop, slightly, but not much. There are hydrogen cars which gives you like 15k free hydrogen refueling, but it's not because its really cheap to refuel and manufacturers can actually provide it, but because no one wants hydrogen cars and that 15k will quickly run out and you will start paying crap ton of money to make basic trips.
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  317.  @lukew6725  And? We are banning ICE cars not because we want to piss of ICE car lovers here... We are banning those because those creates pollution which is not only harmful to environment but harmful for the people around them. It's not about you...
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  318.  @Fatal_Inertia  Please, for your own sake, do some basic research into this topic. First of all, battery life span was already in a realm of cars life span, tho its getting even better with each year. Second, batteries can be recycled and materials reused to make new batteries. Third, studies have been done and it showed that BEV's are less environmentally damaging in comparison to hydrogen cars. Fourth, charging times are going down, you are paying fraction of what you would for hydrogen refueling and in most cases people charges their cars at home overnight and each day they have full "tank" Hydrogen cars on another hand in non starter, this is why no one actually buying those independent how good those sound on paper.
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  319.  @spidergoose891  I will assume that you tried to make some sort of snarky joke here or something.
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  320.  @spidergoose891  Makes no sense... Solar panels already exist, solar panels already generate electricity and to make hydrogen you need electricity... So like... What are you missing here? What other magical technology do you need to make hydrogen with solar panels?
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  321.  @madasorusosol4596  If EV's isn't then Hydrogen car's have zero chance being one either. Hydrogen cars do not work due to long list of complicated and expensive roadblocks which are not present in BEV's. While BEV's are not perfect its still the best current option we have.
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  322. Question of the year: Will your next car gonna be hydrogen?
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  323. That would increase cars complexity, price of purchase and its maintenance. And hydrogen stations are really bad at producing sufficient amounts of hydrogen, you need actual plants and we need less of fuel stations in general, let alone big explosive buildings on each corner of the street.
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  324. There is limited amount of nuclear fuel, so entire world can't switch to one even if we wanted. And no, batteries are not as harmful as combustion engines... Not even close...
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  325. Hydrogen cars which uses hydrogen fuel cell technology has no sound, as its electrical car with extra steps. So any sound you hear will be added intentionally
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  326. End to End comparisons have been made and BEV's still win over hydrogen cars, not by much, but still wins.
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  327. Because their production rates are increasing on slower rate than it did before? Like in which reality did BEV's flooped exactly?
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  328.  @Andy_Dang  Infrastructure is there to support BEV's, if there is electric outlet, there is infrastructure. You don't have gasoline refueling station at your house either, doesn't really cause much trouble to you, right? You can use dedicated charging station when needed, its non issue. For longer trips, well, BEV's can go around 300 miles in one go, this is WAY more than you should do without stretching your legs, so while you do that you can top up your car's battery which will take few minutes. And how often do you do longer trips? Once a year? It's only an issue if you want it to be.
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  329.  @Andy_Dang  Nothing of what you just said here was relevant. At the moment there isn't many companies who are actually making quality and cheaper BEV's, so adoption rates are lower than it could have been, doesn't mean that it flopped in any shape or form. Australia is far away from anyone and without dedicated car factories over there, BEV prices will be extra high, but is has nothing to do with anything here.
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  330. Batteries are, Hydrogen isint.
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  331.  @makdrumz  Hydrogen packs too many backdraws for it to become anything more than someone's side project. Hydrogen could only possible work out for specialized transportations, like busses, boats, planes, but will not work for passenger cars.
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  332. You would have imaginary car fueled by magical pixie dust.
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  333. Why do you think there is this 15k incentive? Because people are not buying those cars in droves... Every single car manufacturer who makes hydrogen cars is doing in a huge loss at the moment. There are under 1000 hydrogen refueling stations IN THE WORLD, while there are over 3 000 000 BEV charging stations, excluding option to change from any wall socket. So yea, it's not going too well for hydrogen and people after using that 15k will try to sell it due to how insanely expensive it is to refuel.
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  334. Its like no one ever did end to end calculations here... Flash news! It was done, multiple times and BEV's wins over any other fuel by a mile. Its the most energy efficient method, its not debatable.
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  335. We have dozens of different chemistries for the batteries, cobalt is not requirement, its one of the options. And more batterie options come out every year. Hydrogen is a quick and dirty solution for the issue, just like nuclear power was in comparison to nuclear fusion.
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  336. What are you smoking?
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  337. Then why BEV's are taking over? After all, at this moment biggest source of hydrogen is natural gas, aka the thing controlled by the oil industry.
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  338. Because they have no idea how hydrogen cars work or/and how hydrogen is being acquired in general or/and general cost of everything. Aka just plain old ignorance and being anti-BEV
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  339. Where do you think production of electricity comes from for electrolysis?... You people are weird...
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  340. So you are not against battery technology, you are just against child labor in 3rd world countries?
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  341.  @too_blatant  You can retrofit generic engine to use hydrogen... For short period of time... After that you will have to replace entire engine as it never was made to properly handle hydrogen, shocker, I know...
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  342. Car's will not convert water to hydrogen on its own... You would need separate power source to do that and then use same hydrogen which gets converted into same electricity which was used to create hydrogen in the first, just by wasting like 80% of energy during this process, so why not simply use that energy directly in a shape of batteries? There is no real argument here and AC DC has their own purposes where one cannot exist without the other. You can transfer electricity over long distances with DC and you can't run electronics with AC. Hydrogen cars are just... Bad... Less bad can gasoline cars, but still worse than electric ones.
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  343.  @blackhawk7r221  Yes, fat fingers, AC long range, DC short range.
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  344. I failed my first try, now I could teach others how to drive. So your point is silly at best. Why I failed? Well, simply missed a sign, still did everything safely and drive before it was completely fine, but missed a sign, so my driving test was a failure. So maybe there is difference between failing because you are unable to drive and failing just because you are nervous and you are new to it so you might make some small mistakes? If you want to filter out bad drivers, then request repeated driving tests every X years with more frequent ones at older ages.
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  345. Some basic education here. First of all, majority of people charges BEV's at home over night, so they are spending 0 seconds charging stations. Second, most BEV's can be charged from 20% to 80% in like 20 minutes, which is more or less the range you should operate your car in anyways. So your "inconvenience" is just your ignorance on this topic.
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  346. What was wrong in this video?
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  347. Why?
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  348. Well clearly you can
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  349.  @fuckingdrummachinez  Irony is strong with you here. We had conversation on different thread, you left 10 comments in a row with 8 of them being "test", so clearly you can leave comments, ignorant one. Some education time, there is a bug with youtube comment section, if you go to the conversation from notifications you will usually not see all of the comments, no idea why its a thing, no idea why its still a thing, but its there. To see all of them you will need to go that that conversation manually, usually sorting comments by newest first and navigating to that conversation will show all comments correctly, again, no idea why it behaves like that, but its a thing, ignorant one.
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  350. Hydrogen by itself will require around 60% more energy to drive your car same distance in comparison to BEV's. So this alone increases price atleast 60%. Then you could try to include hydrogen production price in general, its storage, its transportation, its storage (again), and then actual delivery to customer. And the nadd maintenance costs to refueling stations. Hydrogen could only have a fighting chance if for some reason no one can produce batteries for BEV's ever, otherwise, no chance.
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  351. Why?
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  352. When will that happen? No one want's hydrogen cars and anyone who tries it doesn't want next car to be hydrogen. It simply doesn't work.
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  353.  @eboyblackout  Its not me who is crying here. Hydrogen car's simply do not work, no one wants them, its expensive, impractical... Its like being vegan, its only for you to boast about it to your friends...
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  354. "oh and a car is not and never be an asset." Tell that to taxi drivers...
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  355. This technology doesn't exist and honestly can't exist... Will put it simply. To produce 1000g of hydrogen you will need 2000g of hydrogen passed over hydrogen fuel cell which is TWICE as efficient as burning hydrogen. So yea, you are talking about something what can't exist without breaking laws of physics.
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  356. Well, as it technically never was a thing, so it could not have flopped yet, technically.
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  357. Why?
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  358. Actually electrical ones are more future proofed than hydrogen. Battery technology improves every year and EV's are allot less complex than Hydrogen ones. Hydrogen currently only wins on the side of energy density, which can be useful in some situations, but for general mainstream transportation, EV's all the way.
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  359.  @zackandjessadventures6219  How much of that original car would still be there? And you can easily replace battery pack, especially with new structural battery packs in Tesla cars which will make your car to out last any ICE car out there...
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  360. When that happens then this video can adjust its calculation, until then its just a dream. And that would only apply for Japan... And that would only produce specific amount of Hydrogen for specific amount of cars, will not mean that refueling will become dirt cheap, it should drive cost down, little bit, but it will not be game changer.
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  361. " I wonder how the short battery life and needing to be replaced effects the comparison and environmental impact? Seems like a scam to me." Nah, its only scam by the people who makes such statements. Batteries can be recycled to like 98% and completely reused. And it wont run down in 3--10 years... We have Tesla model S which came out in 2012 which still drives on the roads without any issues. So from whose ass did you took those numbers exactly? "Doesn't California have rolling blackouts because their "green" power generation methods can't keep up with demand?" Does it? Blackouts are not equal to inability to support EV's. Its already known that EV's will not outpace electrical grid expansion, there is 0 risk. "CO2 makes plants green" ? CO2 kills people too... What's your point? "Can we fix the damage strip mining does to waterways?" Can we fix thousands of oil spills every year into oceans or on land?... Whats your point? "It seems EVs are not the wonderful solution they are sold to be" Well if you will only listen to oil companies propaganda, then yes, EV's are bad... But in actual reality EV's are allot better solution than ICE cars. "The battery tech just doesn't seem to be there yet." And how do you think any technology improves?... By demand... If there is no demand in technology then there is no point in investing billions in a research for better solutions... We already have batteries good enough to push forwards transition towards EV and new battery technologies came out every month.
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  362.  @michelesilvestri8340  Combustion type engines do make sound, its more or less same one as it is from gasoline, same explosions, same piston driven engine. Hydrogen fuel cell engines, which are twice as efficient in comparison to combustion ones, those don't make any sound.
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  363. You will, as bunch of companies already does, recycle them and reuse materials in new batteries. Recycled materials do not lose their properties, so in sense you could recycle batteries infinite amount of times.
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  364. Hydrogen could work for such use cases like trains, ships, planes, maybe city buses, anything what requires higher energy density, but will never take off in regular cars.
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  365. You do know that you can recycle like 97% of batteries? Right?
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  366. From which magical place do you think energy required to make hydrogen comes from?... And just FYI you need around 60% MORE of it to travel same distance in comparison to pure BEV's.
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  367.  @d3d952  So now you shift to lithium mines?... Will make is really simple here, by actual research done, end to end, BEV's are still better than hydrogen when it comes to pollution, this includes all those nasty lithium mines.
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  368.  @d3d952  "the way he described in the video and said that evs are way more efficient" Because they are... Its a fact that BEV's are more efficient. Direct electricity storage is more efficient than converting it into hydrogen and then converting it back to electricity. Its non debatable fact. " i have to ask you where the f do evs get the energy ?" Same place Hydrogen plants gets theirs... "why haven't you answered my question about Lithium batteries," Because battery production has nothing to do with cars efficiency... What you are trying to say here is that battery PRODUCTION creates pollution, ok, cool, we can agree on that one. But at same time you are trying to argue about cars EFFICIENCY, those are not the same thing. Will explain it simply here. End to end, including everything, from production to recycling, BEV's are still slightly cleaner than hydrogen cars. But BEV's uses around 60% less electricity to drive your same distance in comparison to hydrogen cars, which was your original attempt to complain here. Hydrogen production uses electricity from same EXACT places BEV's would, difference is that hydrogen cars needs 60% more of that which quickly offsets any benefits you could get by not having all those "dangerous" mines.
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  369. Weird comment. What pollution is being moved out of city? Why would that be bad thing?
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  370. So much wrong in your comment... "Don't compare hydrogen to electricity" Hydrogen gets converted to electricity which then gets used to turn same electrical motors. "Batteries are dangerous and toxic" Then we can solve this problem with a sticker "Do not eat" "Batteries require rare earth metals" Some do, some don't and more new battery technologies come out every year. So its a mute argument. "These batteries will need to be recycled for these metals and there is currently no way to do that" There are dozens of companies which recycle old BEV batteries and more are coming out... Have you been living under the rock? "Mining rare earth metals is an environmental and humanitarian disaster." Just like producing Hydrogen... You will need 60% more energy to drive your car same distance, not even talking about environmental damage in building expensive refueling stations, their maintenance, constant transportation of Hydrogen to those stations and so on. Hydrogen isint magic, it has its own flaws. "The cost of creating hydrogen is high because there are no economies of scale" Because it scales poorly... There is a reason why hydrogen flopped before it started. "Making hydrogen at each refueling station is ridiculous" It is, at same time its less ridiculous than to transport it. "If the state really doesn't need this electrical power, use it to make hydrogen and the cost will be far cheaper." Or use it to directly power BEV's. "Hydrogen is a perfect storage solution to bleed off excess electricity" Not at the moment, there is a reason why you have basically zero companies who uses hydrogen as a storage method for excess energy. Excess energy from solar panels and wind farms is an issue, but no one is using Hydrogen to offset that, why? Because it not viable option. "Hydrogen is the best solution short term and long term" Its better solution short term to replace ICE cars, its not the best solution. Best solution is to store energy directly and then reuse it in most efficient way without least power loss during entire process, aka BEV's.
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  371. You do understand that there are more than one batter chemistry? Right?
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  372. To be fair, Making Hydrogen is allot simpler and in general anyone can do it in their garage, differently than oil. So it would be allot more independent solution from big corp's. But yes, BEV's is the better option here.
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  373.  @nightshocker6908  Hydrogen might still become a thing in sectors where energy density is more important than efficiency. Hydrogen cars had their chance to become relevant, its too late now, BEV's basically winning across all fronts except (for now) on energy density
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  374.  @nightshocker6908  I can imagine that Hydrogen cars have higher profit than BEV's as those require less initial ingredients while still can be sold for quite a big sum of money. Which would explain why some companies trying to push hydrogen cars even tho its lost cause at this point. 10 years ago I would have screamed from the rooftop for everyone to switch towards Hydrogen, but now... Not so much. Hydrogen is in between ICE and BEV's, closer to BEV's than ICE, but still, in between. So if humanity is ready to make a switch then why not go all the way and pick best possible option which will be more or less last one unless someone manages to create arc reactor we could put inside cars or something.
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  375. "no innovation in batteries" ? Have you lived under the rock?
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  376. Water doesn't burn. Stan Meyer's wasn't assassinated, he was a scam artist. And put away your tin foil hat.
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  377. Batteries are not explosive... But highly pressurized hydrogen tanks are...
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  378. Riiiiiight, what could go wrong with that...
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  379. that would be production cost, not a cost for you as a customer.
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  380. Every expert disagrees with you, but ok.
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  381. Weirdest comment ever.
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  382. That's not how it works... Hydrogen cars uses Hydrogen... Water is just a thing we can use to convert it into hydrogen and oxygen, after which it will convert back into water which will be needed to be converted again into Hydrogen. Its not running on water...
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  383. They actually are behind of their time at this point, even BEV's are behind. Hydrogen cars had their chance, now its time for BEV's to take the spot.
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  384. That's the thing, Hydrogen had its chance to take over when there was a need to have efficient and less polluting options, but now we have EV's which is better option, so there is no real reason why would hydrogen take over anymore, it's too late, so while its barely started its already flopped, well, because its barely started, this is why it flopped.
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  385. Musk doesn't want hydrogen... He said it multiple times that hydrogen is stupid option.
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  386. Is this one of those scam things or something?
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  387. Put away your tin foil hat... There never was car running on water...
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  388.  @LYC_44  I would definitely go with nuclear power if it was up to me, but people got scared from all those accidents and general negative stigma surrounding "Nuclear" word even tho nuclear killed least amount of people than any other power generation method, not even talking about current nuclear power plants being exponentially more safe than those have been in the past. We could definitely benefit from few extra nuclear power plants across entire planet, just to help get rid of fossil fuel ones and those could be powered for a century or so which would be enough time to fully shift to something different or even finally get that holy grail of nuclear fusion power.
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  389.  @itachi6523  Sadly there are too many who actually thinks that diesel or petroleum powered cars are more clean than hydrogen ones... You would think that they are joking, but sadly they are not...
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  390. So your solution is to just have... Hybrid car?... 2 cars in one and then pay double the maintenance costs and get double the issues?... Not a good plan. Battery technology is getting better with every generation, most batteries can be more or less fully recycled and reused, so you can keep using same lithium over and over and over and over again until different type of battery comes along. Hydrogen will never become a thing even as Hybrid, too many issues with it.
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  391. ​ @AkashYadavOriginal Hydrogen powered car's could only be an option if we had excessive amount of energy we could utilize to produce it in those needed amounts. Sad reality is that this isint happening. On top of this, storage of Hydrogen is extremely difficult and in most cases impossible to be 100% sealed as it will leak into atmosphere, where it will cause more damage than CO2 would have... So we will start from square one here... There is good reason why Hydrogen cars never took over and lost this battle to the BEV's independent what those "saint" car companies want to claim now... You can't beat physics here. What we need is improvements on battery technology, that's it. Even with current technology is good enough to put Hydrogen into its place, not even talking about future batteries...
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  392. If toyota remains stuck with idea to go with hydrogen, they will go bankrupt.
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  393. Yea, its funny when you realize that you can run electric motor by simply plugging it into the wall. We had that for quite some time now. There are more complicated motors with require some drivers, but those are tiny with small amount of code just to properly time it, but generally you need just few lines of code. Besides that rest of the code is for UI and other convenient things and are not directly related to car being able to drive. Like in Tesla and some other EV's you can literally reload entire system while still driving your car.
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  394. There is 0 pure hydrogen on earth, every single "hydrogen" deposit is some another mineral which needs to be processed to extract that actually usable hydrogen from it. We have entire oceans, aka water, which is made of hydrogen, but extracting it costs quite a bit of money.
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  395. How many hydrogen capsules you will need to "fill up" tank? Those hydrogen tanks are already massive to be on similar range as ICe or even EV's, if you split that into small capsules which could be removable and have their own casings and safe connectors, that would be one huge step back in general for hydrogen cars.
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  396. And how exactly is hydrogen made? Scooped from thin air with a bucket?
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  397.  @IraFox84  Damn you are silly... Will do basic education here, for free. There are 0 pure hydrogen on earth, 100% of it needs to be made from something. At the moment biggest source is natural gas, which is obviously not sustainable. Alternative is making it from water, electrolysis is a thing. Issue with that is that you need around 60% more electricity to move your car same distance as you would with BEV's. So now, as you tried desperately to bring up (coal?) energy sources for BEV's, now add extra 60% to your hydrogen production and realize that you just made your own position worse by your own words. FYI renewables is a thing too and world is shifting towards that.
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  398. BEV's are less polluting than Hydrogen cars.
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  399. Amount of water vapor you will be producing here is nothing. I'm not for a hydrogen cars due to long list of issues, but water vapor is like the least impactful thing from entirety of it... Where do you people even learned to repeat this silly thing as I keep seeing it being mentioned like its a big deal...
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  400. Hydrogen technology is extremely old by this point, it didn't flopped, because it never been an actual thing to flop. It's nothing burger. And future is the BEV type car's, direct electricity storage with direct conversion into motion.
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  401. You do know that Hydrogen cars require like 60% more energy to drive car same distance as EV's does? And you do know that electrical cars have more than one chemistry where some of those don't need all those rare materials from that country you think its only found in? And you can recycle majority of battery and make new one from it. BEV's is the future... What we only need is improve or invent new battery chemistries, which are already being done and this invention and improvement have been kick started with BEV's adoption. Having option to just plug your car into wall socket and get full "tank" will ALWAYS win against anything what requires specialized refueling stations.
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  402.  @WanderingMania  There isint much to progress on the side of Hydrogen, what we can get is better and cheaper ways to convert water/salt water into hydrogen, but you will still have same issues with its transportation, its storage and its extra energy cost in comparison to BEV's. It can improve and it will, but it will not overtake BEV's, atleast not for regular cars. Where Hydrogen can be useful is where energy density is a main priority. BEV's remained stagnant for decades, first BEV was made in 1890 and its main limiting factor was battery technology and its cost. Only when we started to get cheaper and better batteries this became actual viable option and more money was put into battery technology improvement. This was mainly caused by the need to have portable electronic devices and not by a need to have BEV's. Hydrogen doesn't have need like this and there isnt much to improve, it will, but it will not outperform improvements done on battery technology. No idea why you mentioned people without private house not being able to own BEV. You can always charge it at any charging station, its not like you can have Hydrogen refueling station at your private house. BEV's are not perfect at the moment and cold weather will have negative impact, but this on itself is being worked on and will be improved in time. We already got few improvements for BEV's specifically when it comes to lower temperatures and its efficiency, its only question of time until it becomes none issue. Any apartment complex has capabilities... You can plug your car into basic wall socket... If your apartment complex can handle microwave then it can charge your BEV. Point is that it can do it overnight while you sleep, which will charge enough for you next day driving needs in most cases. Electrical grid is none issue, it was already investigated and research done on it, electrical grid can and is expanding faster than BEV adoption rate could ever be. Its completely none issue.
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  403.  @WanderingMania  "they take a long time" How long do you think it takes to charge car battery from 20 to 80%? " And don't work in cold weather. " EV market in Canada and Norway and other colder countries disagree with you. "HFCs can refuel in the same time that a normal petroleum vehicle can." And? Again, how long do you think it takes to charge EV? "the costs of building new stations will go down" Building might go down, maintaining cost will hardly change. Hydrogen stations are quite expensive to be maintained properly due to all this complexity involved in how hydrogen behaves in general. This cost will never be less than BEV charging stations, NEVER. "And because it can be made onsite, the cost of hydrogen will drop." Can it?... And you do understand that this would only increase complexity of station, cost of it to build and to maintain by quite a bit? "Plus, because of it's comparable refuel time rate to petroleum, the current fueling station infrastructure can be used to install the new pumps" Not really, entire infrastructure for Hydrogen is quite different than it is for petroleum. What is common is only the need to have some storage tank and then refueling stations near it, all of that should be swapped entirely, so what you actually will have is only a land which you could maybe reuse, again, maybe. Not all stations would have enough space to include "on site production" or even legal requirements for safety reasons to even be a thing. "No need to drop them in parking lots like was done with the EV charging stations." But that's the thing... You can drop BEV charging stations in parking lots... That's the beauty of it all, you can have charging cables at any supermarket, your car could be charged while you are buying milk, or it could be charged while you are at work... You just need a cable from any outlet. Its simplest and most independent form of fueling your transportation. There are even serious talk about wireless charging where your car would automatically start charging when you park your car without you doing anything, you could literally never visit charging station or even have a need to plug in your car at home manually.
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  404.  @WanderingMania  . "And have you not heard of the charging station failures across the US a few deep freezes back?" Whose? Tesla or another company? And have you heard about none working Hydrogen refueling stations? Its not like stations are immune to being broken from time too time... No idea what you tried to say here exactly. "Well, not all of us can drive over to Norway just to recharge a vehicle." What the what now? "So you can just keep on arguing against every point I make, and blindly accepting the propaganda that you are spoon fed. " My exact thoughts. You look more like someone who actually believes that cars can be fueled with water... "But that still don't make you, in any way shape or form, factually correct." Which part of what I said wasn't factually correct? if you want to make such accusations you will have to support that with evidence. So, good sir, please point to a factual error I made here.
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  405. Hydrogen combustion engines are HALF the efficiency of hydrogen fuel cell engines... HALF... Its not even a question if combustion engine could be better, we know that it can't, basic laws of physics.
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  406. But its not.
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  407. You look confused and ignorant beyond belief, so will fix some mistakes. Batteries can be toxic, but those are contained and smart people say that you should not eat them. After their service time expires you can recycle more or less entire battery and reuse materials to make new one. Funny enough BEV batteries lasted longer than expected and there is still not enough old BEV batteries for bigger recycling plants to be built, and this tech ACTUALLY is improving every single year with like a dozen new alternative chemistries in the works. While your hydrogen basically remained same for past few decades. There are basically ZERO hydrogen storages in entire world, why do you think this is the case? Because hydrogen is extremely bad as energy storage... All the complications, issues and costs associated with it makes it completely bonkers solution for energy storage. You should spend more than 5 minutes investigating hydrogen and especially its downfalls before you start preaching how good it is, because its not.
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  408.  @fuckingdrummachinez  "I speak more about the ways these batteries are produced and the whole industry of lithium etc" Cool beans and all, but every single manufacturing process is toxic on some level. Battery production isn't that bad and it can be controlled and it can and is being improved, on top of new chemistries being created every single year. "It's very polluting and whole communities are suffering from being near to these excavation sites" Just like you would if you lived near any excavation site... Are you trying to imply that its better to stick with current petroleum or go with hydrogen which is not scalable in general to avoid some potential issues with someone maybe living to close to the excavation site? Maybe its an issue with excavation sites being to close to population and not an issue with actual excavation sites? " This stuff happens in 3rd world countries in Africa/Asia" Education for ignorant one. Biggest lithium exporter is Australia. What now? Your entire argument just shattered into tiny pieces. You are barking on the wrong tree here, its not an issue with lithium mining, its an issue with countries exploiting people with lithium mining. "Basically cheap DIY hydrogen storage" Yes yes yes, and we have water engine too... If there was cheap DIY hydrogen storage then it would have been implemented as a cheap hydrogen storage across the board, but its not, so clearly something doesn't add up here. "And don't you assume things about me and time I put in research" Clearly you didn't put as much as you think you did. Watching 2 youtube videos will not make you educated on this topic. You didn't even know that Australia exports most Lithium and wanted to complain about 3rd world countries... C'mon... Let's be real here, you just want for battery technology to fail just because you could have your hydrogen combustion car to make that old school sound or something. "Hydrogen is better in many terms, first of all because it's clean" Most hydrogen currently is being produced from natural gas. There is 0 pur hydrogen on earth, ZERO. 100% of it needs to be produced. Some smart people without free time calculated actual carbon footprint of petroleum, hydrogen fuel cell and pure BEV's, and still, BEV's came first as least polluting closely followed by hydrogen cars. So no, it's not a clean solution, its polluting slightly more than BEV's from start to end. Do you know why? Well you don't, but will educate you here. Even most efficient hydrogen cars consume around 60% MORE electricity to move your car same distance as BEV does, aka you need to produce more electricity to move that car same distance. Now add additional costs of maintenance, additional costs of actual hydrogen production, storage and distribution and you will quickly realize that hydrogen cars makes zero sense. If BEV's didn't exist, then yea, we could have went with hydrogen, but now, no chance, as we can see from real world examples of multiple attempts to bring in hydrogen cars into market and it failing miserably every single time. "And there's a house in Sweden that stores energy in solid-state hydrogen built by Hans-Olaf Nilsson" Ok, and what is the cost of that system? What is the cost to maintain that system? How does it compare to basic battery technology? As just having example of technology being applied somewhere doesn't make it a viable option in general. "The point on recycling is good though, I don't know enough about liion recycling" Because you haven't researched it long enough... Even tho you want to claim that you did... you can't object to technology you know little to nothing. Batteries are being recycled to like 97-98%, aka 97-98% of all materials can be reused, in some cases reusing materials makes even better batteries as you are getting more pure ones. And this recycling can be done in closed system, aka no actual waste being produced, and its quite in early stages where recycling technology is being perfected, improving its speed and performance. So once you mine lithium it stays in circulation basically for ever. "mothafucka" I like you too.
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  409. Announcement? Och, that changes everything... All those 12 cars will fill the roads and promote hydrogen to infinity and beyond...
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  410. Aren't you basically admitting that it flopped due to there already being better alternatives? And there is a long list of issues relating to hydrogen from end to end which prevents it to become anything more than just someones expensive hobby.
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  411.  @BrotherAzrael  What's no? Which part you disagree? Because hydrogen cars at the moment are just an expensive hobby... People are not that happy with their cars, best thing about some cars is that you can get 15k on your fuel when you buy one, but after it runs out people tend to just sell the car and never go back to it... Why do you think shell closed its hydrogen stations? Because no one wants to use hydrogen cars except few hard core fans who just wants to be special.
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  412. Some people call the solution for it a "recycling"
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  413. Future of hobbyists, 100% not a future for regular passenger cars.
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  414. Get a bicycle then... And just FYI there is no such thing as car powered by water... Never was and never will be. You need to put in more energy to separate hydrogen from water than you will get back out of it, so anyone who makes claim "Car runs on water" are either just making clickbait title or full of shit.
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  415. Congrats, you got basically everything wrong here. "hydrogen is more efficient" False. Hydrogen requires around 60% MORE energy to more your car same distance than BEV. "more renewable" False. You can charge BEV with solar, which is more than renewable. If you want to talk about batteries, then that argument isint valid either, new chemistries are coming out every single year and even existing servers would last for quite some time, not even talking about the fact that you can recycle majority of old battery and make new one from it. "easier to make stations for" False again... Hydrogen stations are extremely more difficult to build... Those are more difficult than gasoline stations to built... While for electrical charging stations you only need power cable...
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  416. You do understand that same things apply to Hydrogen, just that Hydrogen cars uses like 60% more energy for same amount of miles?...
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  417. Combustion engines are half the efficiency in comparison to hydrogen fuel cell engines, so not an option straight away.
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  418. Maybe, it depends if existing prices are in net positive or negative for the producers. You can buy some cars which gives you like 15k in free hydrogen refueling, so who knows. In general scaling up production of anything will lower its price, but it would be hard to guess how much it would go down.
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  419. Studies have been done to compare end to end pollution and BEV's came on top as least polluting, closely followed by Hydrogen cars.
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  420. Yes, in the headlines... Just like some BEV companies have been with titles "Next Tesla killer is here!!!" and never got realized...
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  421. So you are not against BEV's, you are simply against some countries exploiting people... And just FYI biggest lithium exporter is Australia.
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  422. You can feel free to make actual counter argument here if you can.
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  423. Just like horses...
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  424. Simple: Low production rates and free advertisement from everyone mentioning Stellantis. Majority of car manufacturers have some sort of eco friendly option, but majority are just there for the show and for them to be able to tick box "eco friendly option" and nothing more.
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  425.  @albangautier9245  China isn't the only one which can make batteries, while it can pump out higher numbers of cars this doesn't mean that those cars are actually good or wanted by anyone else outside China. Heck there are plenty of videos showing graveyards of China BEV's just stacked in parking lots and left to rot. So either people didn't wanted those or manufacturer just made more to boost its numbers for the sake of being #1. There is a reason why "Made in China" doesn't have a good name behind it. And yea, 10k cars in a year is completely and absolutely nothing. When they start making any reasonable amount of those cars we will know that they are actually serious about it, until then, its just cheap advertisement.
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  426. Point remains that back seat is way smaller for the car this size. This is one of many issues with hydrogen cars, you simply can't have spacious interior with them
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  427. Majority of hydrogen is made from natural gas... So like... What?...
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  428. Riiiiiight, and that electrolysis just happens naturally? You do know that you need around 60% more electricity to produce enough hydrogen to move your car same distance BEV's could?
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  429. You don't need to wait 40 plus minutes to charge your car... And you can charge it overnight at your home so each morning you have full tank.
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  430. Reality disagrees. Studies have been done on this topic and for end to end pollution BEV's still win over Hydrogen.
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  431. In another words, people want's BEV's even if its just a hybrid and no one is buying actual hydrogen cars. So what's new?
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  432. Yes, please... Consider ALL factors here... And people who consider all of them come up with number which says that Hydrogen cars produce more pollution over its life time in comparison to BEV's. Welcome to reality. Hydrogen isint some magical thing you could scoop out of thin air, you actually need to produce it... So you need around 60% more electricity to move your car same distance as BEV's. So that means you will need 60% more power plants. Then you have issue with actually producing hydrogen, ideal you would use distilled water, but that one is expensive. Then maybe fresh water, which is in quite high demand already in quite few parts in the world, so not ideal even then. You can't really use ocean water due to its composition. But lets say you can actually produce it in reasonable amounts. Now you need not only to store it, but to transport it to the fueling stations, then store it there. So you need complex refueling stations which cost arm and leg to build and maintain. Then you have issue with hydrogen tanks literally having expiration dates written on them, it's around 5 years. Then you have expiration date on fuel cell... Its not all sunshine and rainbows you know... And just FYI, modern car batteries no longer uses cobalt and biggest lithium supplier is Australia while US is ready to start mine its own on its own land, which on itself isn't that damaging to environment. On top of this, you can recycle batteries more or less fully and reuse materials for a new batteries more or less indefinitely.
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  433. ICE to PZE? In which reality do you live in? You can't have zero emissions on ICE car... You literally burning shit which will always produce something. Where have you read about this PZE nonsense? And if its possible, then why the hell its not here yet? ICe car manufacturers are desperate to remain relevant and switches to EV's to avoid bankruptcy, but if there is this magical technology which can produce zero emissions then why the hell would anyone want to switch to EV? Because I would not... If this magical technology actually exists then hell, screw EV's I am buing clean ICE car... But doesn't look like such technology actually exists and you just repeating some propaganda from some legacy auto which tried to remain relevant for little bit longer... Dieselgate anyone?...
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  434. Not really. People can recharge their cars at home over night and always have full "tank" for the cheapest price possible. There are instances when you are doing long trips and you need to visit superchargers, but those usually take around 20 minutes to get additional 200miles or so, which is more than enough until your next stop. Its already non issue and it becomes less of it with every single battery improvement and with new recharging stations being built.
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  435.  @TheArb6  smartphone vs electric car isint the same. Its like saying that you are forgetting to refuel your car and you get stuck in the middle of the road, well, you are not. You sit in your car, you see remaining distance you could travel, if its enough, you are just leaving and forgetting about it, if not, then you will plan to refill, same as with ICE cars, you would either recharge at home or you would visit charging station in case you forgot to do it at home for multiple days in a row. Just a reminder that BEV's usually have over 300miles of range, so you would need to be heavy user to have this issue or you would need to constantly forget to plug in your car when you come back home. Car isint smartphone, you comeback home, you simply plug it in and it remains that way until you go out. With smartphone, well, that one tends to constantly move around, in your pocket or anywhere else, being left alone for long periods of time and so on, so yes, you can forget to charge your phone, but its alot harder to do the same with a car.
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  436. Hydrogen cars never became a thing due to their drawbacks... BEV's charge times are getting shorter and ranges becoming higher, so its none issue created by people who doesn't understand what they are talking about.
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  437.  @JiForceful  So like I just said... "none issue created by people who doesn't understand what they are talking about" Hydrogen stations are completely different from current gas ones... You will need to redo EVERYTHING in it... Nothing is compatible with Hydrogen stations. So should we invest trillions in remaking all those ticking bombs? Or can we invest some money in improving electrical grid? Which... If you didn't know, electrical grid is being expanded by some rate constantly, introducing electrical cars would only slightly increase its expansion rate, nothing more... Hydrogen car's uses like double the energy to drive same distance. So to offset that you will need additional power plants. Not much changes there. Then you have expenses where you have to either transport Hydrogen from huge plants or try to produce it locally. But you know what? Hydrogen leaks... Its basically impossible to make completely sealed container for Hydrogen to remain in one, it leaks and it goes into atmosphere. We have ZERO natural hydrogen, all of it needs to be produced from fresh water, which is already in high demand, so it's not like it would be a good idea to eliminate bunch of that just to power our cars. Storage of Hydrogen is extremely complicated thing, you either store it in gas form, which will be tiny amount, or you do it in liquid form which need to be chilled to extreme temps under extreme pressures, not something you would want to have across entire city... In short, Hydrogen cars will never be a thing for regular cars, at best it can become some niche thing for factories or somewhere where energy density is most important thing to have, which is not a lot of areas.
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  438.  @JiForceful  One hydrogen station costs around 2million (lower end), there are around 150 000 gas stations in US alone, its higher number, but whatever. So to replace those you would need around 300 000 000 000 bucks, for US alone, for stations only. This would increase quite a bit for bigger Hydrogen stations. But yea, 300 billion, for US. Hard to say how many gas stations in entire world, but you will go past few trillion to upgrade all of them. Power grids are generally localized, you wont need fat ass cables across entire planet to charge EV's... Heck, you can charge one from your solar panels which are on your roof... EV's will happen, Hydrogen will not, it's only question how we solve existing small issues surrounding transition towards EV's
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  439.  @JiForceful  Its so weird that you went with trucks having long charge times... You know what you could do in that case?... Just... Wait... And... Charge... Quoting here "With less than 2 kWh per mile of energy consumption, Semi can travel up to 500 miles on a single charge. Recover up to 70 percent of range in 30 minutes using Tesla's Semi Chargers." how often semi drivers would go more than 500 miles without stopping? if it can recover 70% in 30 minutes, then I can't see any issues with charging times or range in general... Its a mute point at best even with todays technology, which will obviously will get better and better with each new generation. Again... 🤦, mute point. On top of this, electric trucks are allot cheaper to be operated, so companies will be able to not only get extra few trucks to offset that tiny difference in charging times, but to hire extra people to drive those if needed. So if you are talking about efficiency then you will get it for less. Hydrogen cars are not happening, current (not really) generation of hydrogen semi's have basically same range as BEV's with slightly shorter refueling times, while cost of those are exponentially higher. So not really winning here against BEV's. And for companies to have simple "plug overnight and have full 'tank' in the morning" is better option than needing to get to closest Hydrogen station to fill up before you start you trip. This is efficiency...
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  440. Fuel cell is around 2x the efficiency in comparison to just burning it, this is why all mass produced hydrogen cars are based on this technology.
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  441. Well... No... Issue with nuclear power plants is that those need specific fuel which on itself is in quite limited amounts which simply shifts issue from one to the other. Nuclear power plants work as long as you have only few of those, if entire world started to use those we would run out of needed fuel in few decades. So not really an option. Nuclear fusion could be an answer, if that one can be solved. Then we could have abundance of energy which could be used to generate hydrogen.
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  442. Actually hydrogen makes more profit than BEV's and big corps would have more control over you with you having additional maintenance costs. Hydrogen cars contain multiple highly pressurized hydrogen tanks which are extremely flammable. Hydrogen cars have literal expiration dates on their tanks printed out due to hydrogen embrittlement. Around 5 years. Fuel cells have its own too, that one is around 8 years. Good luck replacing those. Charging times for BEV's can be as low as 10 minutes and that time only going down. Unless you as everyone else who doesn't understand reality thinks that you have to charge your car from 0% to 100% every single time, then yes, it will take longer, but this should only be done when you actually need that extra range for some reason, but then you can simply charge your car at home from wall socket overnight... BEV's and hydrogen cars have around same amount of carbon footprint, in some cases hydrogen has more. Biggest lithium provider is Australia and now there will be lithium mines in US. So none argument. Hydrogen lacks power and convenience. Check any hydrogen car and check its interior volume, its abismal... Yes, hydrogen is extremely expensive, like 5 times more expensive than electricity. Hydrogen isn't carbon free, you need around 60% more electricity to produce amount of hydrogen to move same distance. On top of this, you need extensive supply and storage infrastructure which will produce crap ton of carbon on itself. Maybe it can be as fast, but its not. It can reach range as BEV's, but you will sacrifice interior space. Refill is fast if you are the first in the line, otherwise you will be waiting 15 minutes until system pressurizes.
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  443. Even with coal EV produces less pollution than ICE cars. That said, countries are shifting towards clean renewables, so your comment is more than weird.
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  444. You could, but its half the efficiency in comparison to hydrogen fuel cell
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  445. For your first point, yes, there is no 100% green car as all of them needs some sort of production which creates waste in one ot the other way, but its besides the point, what green means is the cleaner solution than what we have now. For your second point, well, no, while CO2 is needed for plants, issue is with amount of it... And the fact that we keep deforesting makes this issue even bigger one. Planting more trees will not solve fundamental issue, as you would need to basically cover entire earth with trees to offset how much CO2 we are spitting out at the moment.
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  446. BEV's? Ever heard about those?
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  447. Yea, lets see what you will say when your free miles end and you will have to pay like 200 bucks for 400 miles of range.
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  448. Not even close... Propane is wildly different from hydrogen. There are less than 1000 hydrogen stations in ENTIRE WORLD, quite few are being shut down due to high maintenance costs and low usage. If you think that propane is on same level as hydrogen, then you have no idea what you are talking about here...
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  449. There is zero pure hydrogen on earth, 100% of is being produced.
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  450. Electrolysis uses craptone of energy, aka electricity, so you will be spending more energy to convert water into Hydrogen which could then be used to move your car, which is extremely inefficient way to do it. Hydrogen cars are not running on water, Hydrogen cars run on Hydrogen.
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  451. Its both. To get more money you need better technology and for that to be better you need to invest crap ton of money with hopes that its possible to improve this technology in general.
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  452. Riiiiiiiiight... But like... What's the price of that hydrogen made from plastic? How much of that can be made? What impact this technology will have in general for entire industry?... Like we have extremely good battery technologies already, like the ones based on carbon nanotubes. But it's not really scalable and its price is insane, atleast not at the moment, so having technology which has no impact on industry isn't something to be happy about, come back when it can actually reach everyone.
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  453. How do you think blue hydrogen is produced?... You are spending around 60% MORE energy to produce hydrogen which will drive your car same distance as it would be with EV's. So if you can spend so much energy on producing hydrogen with clean solutions, then why the hell you could not do it with EV's directly? Your argument is invalid here. And blue hydrogen is produced from natural gas, which is limited, so its not future proofed in any way, it would only push deadline slightly further away while keeping worlds dependency on fossil fuel for decades. Its time to get rid of that one.
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  454. How do you think Hydrogen is made?... How much electricity do you think hydrogen needs?... This is crazy...
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  455.  @the80h  You might be missing some basic things here... BEV's are the most efficient ones from all alternatives, no one ever claimed that BEV's are 100% efficient, but you will use up least amount of energy to move same amount of distance. For example, comparing BEV with Hydrogen fuel cell cars, you will need 60% MORE electricity to move car same distance, which means that Hydrogen cars are atleast 60% less efficient than BEV's. It both cases you will need to get electricity from somewhere, it doesn't really matter if its burning coal or using wind power, point remains that BEV's are the most efficient option here.
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  456.  @the80h  Wait, are you one of those who doesn't know that we are not scooping petroleum out of the ground with buckets but rather ding it over drilling, extracting oil and then heavily processing it to get it? Like seriously, do you even understand how much work/energy needs to be put into oil processing?... Actual smart people done studies which included end to end pollution, BEV's win. If you can muster out some actual scientific studies which supports your assertions, cool, give it us, otherwise you just parroting random nonsense you have seen on facebook...
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  457. You do know that to produce hydrogen and to use it in hydrogen car needs around 50-60% more energy in total in comparison to EV's?... You do know this, right?
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  458. ? Hydrogen uses around 60% more energy from start to finish to drive same distance... What the hell are you talking about?
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  459. @babyshanks396 You could make your own petroleum dirt cheap too in your garage... But like... Is it actually dirt cheap when you count i all the equipment you will need, all the time and everything in between? Making hydrogen isn't just showing 2 electrodes into water, there is more to it...
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  460. Hydrogen had its chance, but its flooped now. And you can recycle majority of BEV's battery and reuse it... There is no need to retrofit 50 year old cars... ICE car's will remain legal for quite some time, in some sense it might remain legal for as long as it can still drive, but you won't be able to buy new ICE car, just like you cant just hope on a horse and ride to your local grocery shop, you might need permit for that, but you can still do it.
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  461. Or you could just use solar to charge BEV. In any case you will be used around 60% more energy to drive same distance with Hydrogen cars than with BEV's
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  462.  @ritmaha  I'm just always baffled with comments like yours, its a video about hydrogen flopping, yet you straight away trying to attack BEV's... Why? Lets assume that BEV's are 10000000x more dangerous than ICE cars, 10000000x more poluting than ice cars, lets assume that by making one BEV you have to kill 500 children. Now, with all of those assumptions, how does it make hydrogen cars not a flop?
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  463. Electric cars provides most freedom you could ever dream about... So what the hell are you talking about?
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  464.  @IraFox84  How do you think car with 3 tanks pressurised up to 10 000 PSI would behave if you would puncture one of those? Vaporize everything around it in instant?
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  465. No, we don't.
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  466.  @fabianelliott96  And I will... Just like majority of people will. That sound is ONLY relevant for tiny amount of people, TINY. And what's funny that you straight away went to BEV's when I objected to HICE engines, why not go with Hydrogen fuel cell instead?
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  467. Then don't buy one... You do you and everyone else will pick something better.
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  468. That's the entire point, they dint begun while those had chance to do so, now EV's overtaking Hydrogen cars by a mile and gap is only increasing between those.
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  469.  @REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI  Because of news articles like "Car runs on water" or "Hydrogen is the cleanest solution" or anything like that while never actually looking any deeper into it. I was on same boat and was thinking that hydrogen is the answer for everything, but after few videos and some research realized that there is a reason why hydrogen never become a thing, it ONLY sounds cool on paper and its only saving grace would be to use it on a bigger equipment where you have plenty of spare space, like buses, semi, trains, boats, maybe even planes, but passenger cars... Well, it's just doesn't work. Too many issues and complications surrounding this entire tech for it to win against BEV's and at the moment we need to transition away from petroleum based cars, transitioning to hydrogen makes no sense due to those same complications, its just more complicated and more expensive solution which could have only worked as a short term solution while we transition to BEV's, but its too late for that too, we are transitioning to BEV's and hydrogen become just some weird middle man which never got utilized.
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  470. My question would be: Will your next car be hydrogen?
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  471. Yea, without dedicated refueling station it's basically not possible. No in case of disaster you will be stranded without any options to keep moving.
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  472. Green hydrogen is just a name for hydrogen produced in specific way... Green Hydrogen Blue Hydrogen Grey Hydrogen Brown Hydrogen Black Hydrogen Pink Hydrogen Yellow Hydrogen Turquoise Hydrogen White Hydrogen That's all of them...
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  473.  @wsbill14224  You are not that good at your job if you think that petrol, which is limited resource, is the future. Like, what do you smoke? Because I might want some of that to have such a good trip to fantasy land like you are going through right now...
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  474. Where?
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  475. Did you got paid by oil company?
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  476. Who said that you need to produce and utilize batteries every 5-6 years?
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  477. Is there experimentation date on hydrogen tank? Is there expiration date on fuel cell? Just because you work on hydrogen car doesn't mean that you know everything about it. I can fix computer, doesn't mean that I know how to make CPU or what goes into ones production...
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  478.  @paradelights  Expiration date means that you want it or now you will have to replace those tanks and fuel cell refularry which will be enormous amount of money and waste. And yes, some companies invest crap ton of money into something, doesn't really make it a good choice by default, heck, there are more companies investing exponentially more money into BEV's than into Hydrogen cars, does that make BEV's exponentially better option if we would use your logic here?
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  479. Hydrogen cars are not that sustainable, atleast not practical for multiple reasons. Not saying that ICE cars are good thing, just saying that hydrogen isint viable alternative.
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  480.  @RainbowRising  Hydrogen embrittlement
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  481.  @RainbowRising  Hydrogen cars do sound cool, ability to create fuel from water sounds like a dream, we have plenty of that in the oceans... But... At the moment you start diving deeper into all of this you will start realizing why hydrogen cars never became anything more than just someone's expensive hobby and why each time someone tried to push this technology to the masses it just died out, and no its not due to some lizardmen conspiracy... It just doesn't work as alternative. Like, you can make hydrogen from water, but that process is expensive, from equipment side and from maintenance side and from storage side and so on. We have zero pure hydrogen on earth, ALL of it needs to be produced and that production isn't cheap. Then you have general issue with energy density per volume, not per kg, but per volume. As people who promotes hydrogen cars likes to say that its most energy dense per weight, while in reality forgetting to mention that its extremely bad when it comes to volume. This is why hydrogen cars usually have 3 huge tanks pressured up to 10 000 psi, which isint a good option to have during car crash or in general. Not only you need expensive sturdy tanks to handle such pressures, you need pumps at refueling stations which could pump this hydrogen at those pressures which drives costs up and makes you fully dependable on refueling stations not only being near you, but actually working. Och, another thing, going to my previous comment. Each hydrogen tank has expiration date printed on them, not by mileage, but by time. When it expires you will NEED to replace all of them. Same thing with fuel cell itself, tho that one has slightly longer work time. I think this is enough for now.
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  482.  @komolkovathana8568  Now use same calculation for Hydrogen cars.
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  483. Ok, so instead of 80% efficiency it would be what? 79%? And I have no idea why you failed to understand that Power Plant efficiency applies to Hydrogen and BEV's equally as both uses electricity... So which part exactly was comparison of apples to oranges?
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  484. @zircon256ua That's not how laws of physics work...
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  485.  @rhyswilliams7884  First HICE engine 1806, first Fuel Cell engine 1966. And from that moment it barely improved. Hydrogen isn't behind BEV's, BEV's are behind Hydrogen. Every single year we are getting better and better battery technology without any actual limitations in sight, while hydrogen is basically at the peak performance now, there can still be few % improvement here and there, but it's basically done deal.
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  486. BEV's don't explode.
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  487. From whose a** did you got those numbers from? In 5 years battery loses 35-40%? Because actual official numbers are more like 5-10%... Not even talking about your confusion with battery waste... Those can be recycled, more or less fully. While going back to hydrogen, you are using around 60% more energy for same distance traveled, not even talking about complexity of producing, transporting and storing of it. Please, for your own sake, do some basic research here before you talk.
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  488. BEV's are allot more independent than Hydrogen, buy BEV and you can completely disconnect from everyone else by simply charging it with your own solar panels, while with Hydrogen you will remain dependent on supplier of this Hydrogen, which is better than ICE car dependencies, but still is a dependency. And yes, you could make some of that hydrogen at home, but that would be extremely slow and would require expensive and heavy on maintenance equipment to be fully independent.
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  489. First of all, this video was made 3 years ago, second, if it didn't flopped, when why there are basically no hydrogen cars on the road? You can barely find one in California, the one place in the world where you have most hydrogen stations, people are still not buying those cars...
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  490. You will be spending like $160 to drive same distance. Or you could spend like $30 for same distance with BEV. And who said that you would need to spend thousands on new battery every 8 years?
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  491. Stations like that would still cost like 80% of what full station does, as it would require same exact equipment, just some parts would be on slightly lower scale. Maintenance cost would be basically the same too.
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  492. You should do basic research here. While hydrogen fuel cell will expel water, this doesn't mean that hydrogen production was free of charge... And how do you think a system which produces water would behave in a sub zero temperatures?... Poorly... BEV's are on steep climb at the moment while hydrogen cars are... Well... Just there... Expensive hobby for rich people.
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  493.  @paradelights  That you need to MAKE hydrogen and not just scoop it out of hydrogen ocean. While hydrogen is most common element in the universe, on earth it doesn't exist in its pure form, it's always bonded to another element, in our case we have water, H2O, so you have to produce hydrogen by splitting water molecules by introducing crap ton of energy into that process. There is long list of issues relating to hydrogen, it only sounds cool on paper, but if you start actually digging deeper you will realize why it never took off even tho we had hydrogen engines as of 1806 and hydrogen fuel cell as of 1966. It's just... Not good enough to be scalable...
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  494.  @Yggdrasill8  Hydrogen sounds cool on paper, but when it comes to realization of it you will start noticing issues surrounding it. I would be more than happy if hydrogen was viable option, but all that production, storage, transportation and everything in between just make its... Mech....
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  495. Where do you get electricity to make hydrogen?... Doe it grow on trees?! You didn't know that hydrogen in its pure form doesn't exist on earth, didn't you now?
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  496.  @woytekkopacki  What's your point? That we need recycling plants? Ok. We do need those, but it's besides the entire point. We can recycle batteries over and over again if needed. Batteries not being recycled in some cases is the side point and not really relevant here. It's only now when you start getting increase in outdated car batteries which needs to be recycled, so there isn't many dedicated plants to do it yet, as there wasn't real demand. There are few in some places, which does recycle as many as they can get hands on, but we still need more.
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  497. You dont need garage to charge your electrical car... You can literally plug it into any general wall socket over extension cord... Or install dedicated charger on a wall near your car. On top of this, by actual data we know that only like 5% of times people use charging stations while rest of the time its being charged at home. On top of this, you can have allot more electrical stations than you have for gasoline cars. On top of this, you dont need to sit there for 45 minutes to charge your car, you can recharge big chunk in 10-15 minutes and be on your way. How often do you fully fill up your gas tank? Not that often I can assume... I never do that, only times I would fully charge is before actual extra long trip where i'm not planning to stop, but even then, how often do you drive for 5h without a brake? Point being, you complains here are invalid, simple as that.
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  498. There is no such thing as water powered cars... Never was and never will be.
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  499. Do you think that ICE cars have no issues?... By all reports ICE cars require most maintenance for obvious reasons. So its allot more likely that you will be buying a new car due to major issues in you ICE car than EV
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  500. Hydrogen stations are completely different and existing petrol stations would need complete rebuild, basically nothing would remain and everything would be changed. Welcome to reality. Electric charging stations doesn't need complete rebuilding, this is why one BEV charging station costs as low as 50k, while one Hydrogen refueling station is over 1 million... One of them clearly requires more work to be done than the other... And while hydrogen is most abundant element, we have ZERO pure hydrogen on earth, at his moment 100% of all hydrogen is being produced, and its production requires around 60% more electricity than it does for BEV's.
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  501. Biggest Lithium supplier in the world is... Australia... I don't think that Australia suffers from terrible mining conditions...
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  502. Hydrogen cars are not running on water...
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  503. Yes yes yes, car manufacturers promise revolutionary cars every single day for past century or so... Not really happening...
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  504. You can't just make hydrogen at home and use it for your car... Not only you will need dedicated expensive equipment for it, it will cost you arm and leg to buy and maintain it... Heck, you even have option to make your own petroleum from crude oil, if you get bunch of expensive equipment... Why are you not doing that? Because it doesn't make any sense due to costs involved. And one of the hydrogen production methods is to burn natural gas which is controlled by big oil. What big oil doesn't want is BEV's due to your ability charge any of these from any power source and allows you to be 100% independent if you want it. Hydrogen cars are simply bad alternative
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  505. Flying cars? You seriously want flying cars?... Go, buy one... There are few of those... There is a reason why we don't have those as a regular thing just flying around city... Hydrogen is dead for regular cars, it might still be usable for more specific things where energy density is more important, but Elon would never go with Hydrogen. Steam car?... Do you think steam just magically appears from thin air you could use to push your car forwards?... Or do you want to fuel your car with wood or coal directly while you drive it? How the hell do you think that steam cars would be any better than current ICE ones? And you can either order parts from Tesla directly or get those from a donor car, just like you would for any other car out there...
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