Comments by "Zrips" (@Zripas) on "The Electric Viking"
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You failed to understand basic reality here. While you can produce hydrogen on yourself, its basically just a battery, 2 metal plates and cup of water to produce some of that, issue here is that production isn't equal to actual usage of it. While you can produce, you will not be able to put it into your car due to required extreme pressured it needs to be in. So in that case you would need quite specialized equipment with specially made compressor which could actually push that hydrogen into your cars tank up to 10000psi. Its like saying that people could make their own petroleum... While technically you could, no one is doing it due to extreme costs if you are just making it for your own needs.
If your scary government wanted to keep control and have monopoly over energy source, then it would have never allowed BEV's to be a thing, as those provide extremely easy and complete freedom from anyone, just place few solar panels, hook it up to your car and you are done, free energy with little to no hassle.
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@derks0
First of all, majority of hydrogen cars are not burning hydrogen. Hydrogen fuel cell is a thing.
Second, I haven't heard of a single country which would move towards hydrogen grid network, care to provide one name? And care to explain what exactly you mean by "hydrogen grid network"
Third, yes, governments can have better understanding than some scrubs on internet, this is why governments are not really investing into hydrogen.
You are yet to explain how is hydrogen grid scalable when BEV's need 60% less of that grid to be scaled. Or are you just saying that its scalable due to the fact that you can scale anything independent how hard and worthless it would be...?
From what you said so far there was only one thing I could agree with you, is that hydrogen better suitable for things like ships due to extra space it has for all that hydrogen and ability to have centralized hydrogen distribution centers. Everything else is just... Weird... At best.
Och, another thing about your "scalability". One hydrogen station to build costs around 1 million bucks, while one BEV station costs around 50k, while hydrogen station will have allot more maintenance costs associated with it. So I have no idea how hydrogen is a better scalability in your reality.
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@martinherald6492
"I don't know anything about how long hydrogen tanks last, but an LPG gas tank needs to be regularly inspected."
There is so called hydrogen embrittlement which literally, well, makes metals its incontact with brittle, while LPG doesn't really have this issue yet it still need regular checks. That embrittlement is one of the major issues with hydrogen systems, this is why hydrogen tanks are usually coated in ceramics which minimizes issue, doesn't solve it entirely, just minimizes.
"What's an EV's battery pack like after 10 years of regular use?"
Depends on use. We still have BEV's from 2012 driving around with original battery pack. But difference is that battery packs degrade slowly over time, you just losing capacity, slowly, worst case scenario you will fail to get to your destination. While with hydrogen cars, worse case scenario: you get vaporized in instance when that tank raptures. See the difference?
"My point is that everything that makes Murais unpalatable to the public, is exactly the same problems EV's have"
Not even close. EV's are actually wanted, while people who buys hydrogen cars NEVER actually looked up what it brings to the table. I was originally all for hydrogen cars, because it sounds so cool to have car which drives on fuel which was produced from water, it's sounded so clean and cool. But then started to look into it and realized that hydrogen technology is extremely complicated, expansive, dangerous and non scalable across the board.
"The primary concern is still all about range anxiety, with both vehicles"
Only from the people who never owned BEV, especially tesla, as that one will plot entire route for you with needed stops along the way to get you where you want as fast as possible without you needing to think about it. Range anxiety only exists until you drive BEV.
"Ferrari owners don't care about service costs"
And how many Ferraris do you see on the roads?... Your argument doesn't hold water here. We are talking about replacement for all or atleast most passenger cars, you are bringing in example of a car which is like one in a million... There are more Ferraris in the world than there are hydrogen cars.
"Arguing over percentage losses between EV's and fuel cells is pointless as well"
But its not... You literally started by saying that BEV and Hydrogen cars experience SAME issues, when in reality they are not. Its like saying "You have 1 apple and I have 1 million apples, its exactly same" well no, that number difference makes it quite different story...
"The fact that the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, so green energy production must be at least double the capacity of existing fossil fuel produced electricity means NOTHING"
? What the hell is this argument even is? All this applies to EVERYTHING anyways, hydrogen production, BEV charging or even petroleum refining... Source of electricity applies to EVERYTHING equally...
"The average climate alarmist doesn't care if it takes far more production for green energy"
Care to give actual example here? Like actual example where so called green energy produces more pollution than so called dirty energy. A single example will do.
"Dealing with these sorts of arguments is like dealing with petulant spoiled brats"
Then why do YOU fail to present actually valid arguments here? You even started complaining that we are using numbers here... So like, what is your actual argument here and based on what exactly?
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First of all, having shitty grid is unrelated thing to EV's, its an issue with government or whoever is responsible for the grid. Second, grid expands based on demand, just like it did from the moment we got first lightbulbs. Third, and most ironic thing, hydrogen cars required around 60% MORE electricity to drive same distance, yes, you need electricity as we have ZERO pure hydrogen on earth which means that 100% of it needs to be produced, so that said anything you could say about issues with grid will be 60% worse for hydrogen cars, aka you made argument against hydrogen cars without realizing it.
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@huwgrossmith9555
Then I would STRONGLY recommend you to fact check, because it looks like you just watched some random scam video on youtube and believed it. There are NO water engines, because those CAN'T exist due to first law of thermodynamics.
And just FYI IC engines are only 50% efficient in comparison to hydrogen fuel cell engines, aka you can travel twice the range with fuel cell than you could with IC one. So straight away you have an issue here as you are using less efficient engine.
Water isint fuel, never was and never will be. Hydrogen is fuel, but there is equally zero of that on earth in its pure form, 100% of hydrogen we have is a hydrogen bonded to other atoms, like hydrogen + oxygen = water type deal, and for you to extract hydrogen from water you will need to input quite a bit of electricity into that conversation, and because magic isint real and basic laws of physics apply, you can't magically create a thing which can generate power from water.
If water engines existed then we would have water powered electric power plants, not the ones which uses water to turn turbines, but the ones which uses water as a fuel... But we dont... Because water isint fuel...
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@Sultani92
Crappy suspension? Teslas have wide range of suspensions, duno in which reality they are crappy.
Tight rear seat entry? Sorry to ask, but how fat are you?
No idea about insurance and why it would be high, care to elaborate?
Musk isn't spying on you, why would he care what you are doing? And are you seriously think that no other car company could spy on you? If you are so paranoid, you should ditch your smartphone.
You have regen control as you can pick one of two options, tho duno why would you want anything else than the highest one and keep it at it.
Och no, 19" wheels... Think about children... By the way, there are options to get 21", you know, optional stuff.
Tight seats? Again, how fat are you?
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"right now EV's winning out because they came first and there for the infrastructure is largely in place"
Well... Kind of, but not really. While electric car came out before hydrogen one did, those have been terrible for long time while hydrogen cars basically got their peak performance from the start. Thing is that BEV infrastructure is all over the place and it costs little to nothing in comparison to hydrogen stations.
"they say at least in my home country that if just 10% of people on a street get a EV car, and they charge them at the same time, the power net will go out because the capacity is not there"
Maybe, because people fail to understand that electric grids expand over time, especially with increased demand. So what those people are saying is extremely wrong. They are talking about TODAY'S grid no being able to handle BEV's charging at same time. First of all, 10% of all cars charging at same time would be basically the peak requirement when you have 100% of cars as on the road as BEV's, that aside, it will take years, maybe decades to get to the point where this 10% charging at same time would become reality.
"So what needs to happen, is it pulling up the streets in all major cities to get cables down that can support it, this to me seems like it will get very expensive"
One BEV charging station costs around 50k, one hydrogen station costs over 1 million. On top of this, hydrogen needs around 60% more electricity to move your car same distance, so if you are afraid of BEV's charging at same time and grid not being able to handle it, then there is zero chance for hydrogen cars.
"Also, it is probably about how much the hydrogen technology gets to develop"
It wont, hydrogen fuel cell technology is at its peak due to basic laws of physics. There might be few % increase i performance, but nothing dramatical.
"In my country EV infrastructure gets way more subsidies than hydrogen"
Because there is no point in having hydrogen cars and there is no point in subsidizing those.
"As it is now the people that earn the least cannot afford the EV cars already, so I do not see EV cars taking the whole market."
BEV's are relatively new and new technology is always more expensive. Prices are going down and for people who uses their cars more often to get BEV is cheaper than to use any other car.
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Fun fact, Hydrogen cars uses around 60% mor electricity to drive same distance as BEV's, so no, its not zero emissions. There is equally 0% of pure hydrogen on earth, ZERO PERCENT. Which means that 100% of it needs to be produced in one or the other way, currently most common way is natural gas, which isn't zero emissions, obviously.
And while some BEV's could be stranded, funny enough those are simpler save than hydrogen cars, after all you can't just pump few KG's of hydrogen into car from canister, you would need quite expensive and dedicated hydrogen compressor to fill that tank. Not even talking about the fact that you can charge BEV from basically any wall socket, while you can ONLY refill at dedicated hydrogen stations. Go figure.
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