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Or maybe they already invested money and effort in hydrogen cars and realized how bad those are?... Its not like we never had hydrogen cars before... First hydrogen engine was invented in 1806, so if over 200 years wasn't enough to resolve basic issues, then how many more years we should wait before those get solved?
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To big, too expensive, too unesecerry. Keeping your car cool just to maintain your fuel levels while being always plugged into wall socket, is just... Weird... There is another technology which does similar thing, just in more efficient and better way... BEV's... You plug your car, it charges, it keeps that charge for months without a need to keep it plugged in. So why not simply use BEV's instead of liquid hydrogen?
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ICE engines burn hydrogen in same exact way as any other current gas powered car, while fuel cells combines air with hydrogen during which process you get electricity. Second method is more or less twice as efficient as first one.
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There are no electrolysis done in hydrogen cars.
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With time people will realize that you don't need cars with sounds, just like people realized that we don't need phones with physical buttons.
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Battery technology is improving every single year, there are even promising research done on batteries based on aluminum, so it's not really an issue.
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Doesn't exist.
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...to bankruptcy.
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Expensive.
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There is no such thing as water powered car...
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Hydrogen is basically at its peak and its non option already, BEV's are only starting up and keep improving every single year.
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Have you seen hydrogen cars being made by car manufacturers? Those usually have 3 huge tanks... And you have quite impractical car with huge middle console, uncomfortable back seat and tiny trunk space...
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HICE is half the performance in comparison to HFC, no idea who would want to pick first one over the second. And hydrogen cars are actually more expensive over BEV's, initial price and upkeep.
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That's the worse thing to do. You would be wasting energy for zero benefit.
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Apollo Moon missions ran on hydrogen because we didn't had any good battery technology at that time. Apollo mission 1969, invention of lithium battery 1976
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Congrats, you have been scammed. There is no such car which converts water to hydrogen on the fly... That would break first law of thermodynamics...
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Cutting it to 0 cylinders gives you infinite mileage!!!
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@michaelbengochea2976 Could there be one? Yes. But then you would need to stop every few miles and change that filter as it would get clogged in no time. So you would need to carry bunch of filters and then dispose those after each trip or refurbish or... Not practical solution.
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Well congrats, you got scammed... What you are talking here is perpetual engine, which doesn't exist... You need to put in more energy into hydrolysis than you will get out of it, so no, it's not an option to store hydrogen in water form... Never was and never will be...
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Why? Because you don't like math?
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Are you a plant?
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You should update your propaganda notes. For example, Tesla latest batteries needs zero cobalt, so your children are safe... Even tho its not the issue with batteries needing cobalt, its an issue with countries exploiting child labor... Second thing, you can recycle basically entire battery pack and reuse materials for new ones, so non issue, again. Come back when you will have actual argument here.
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@SCTALLN How do you produce hydrogen?... With imaginary nuclear power stations?... Again, you have to update your propaganda notes or just get basic education on this topic...
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@SCTALLN You are clearly anti BEV's here while failing to present any actual valid arguments. I have no idea what technology you could talk here when it comes to IC engines. Use hydrogen for it? No, hydrogen fuel cells are twice as efficient as using it in IC engines, so this non option straight away. E-fuel? That one is basically hydrogen on steroids, still same issue, just bigger one. Use natural gas? Limited supply of it and isn't that efficient. So let's summarize your mistakes here. Batteries are not environmental catastrophe, we can even today recycle more or less fully and reuse materials more or less indefinitely. Cobalt isn't being used in modern batteries, so non issue. We do need extra few nuclear power plants as that one is most safe and least damaging power production technology we have currently. And IC engines are outdated and those need to be thrown away.
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First law of thermodynamics...
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Put away your tin foil hat... What you are talking here is electrolysis, it's not suppressed technology... Never was... And cars running on water do not exist, and simply can't exist due to basic first law of thermodynamics... Stop watching random propaganda videos on youtube and just do basic research...
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There is no such thing as car powered by water... Anyone who claims that are plain out scammers. Cars can run hydrogen, but not on water. There is huge energy loss when you extract hydrogen from water, so this can't happen on car itself. So keep your 250k and avoid investing into scams...
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Yea, who cares about environment... Why even tos your trash into trash can, after all there are bigger sources of pollution!... Your logic is broken at best. This same technology can be used for trucks, trains, boats, tanks and airplanes...
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@big_monkey_man Hydrogen cars are not running on water, those are running on hydrogen, its like in their name.
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@just_man209 Well you could produce petroleum from crude oil on board too... But like... What are we even talking about here? It's not even in a realm of being impractical, its a side issue of it. Main issue is that you would be spending more electricity to produce less of it... It's like having a battery, hooking it to a incandescent light bulb (because who wants efficiency), placing that bulb near solar panel, collecting that electricity and then using it to power electric motor, all on board of a car... Makes zero sense...
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First law of thermodynamics... So many comments like yours... Are you a bot or are you jus came here from a video which claimed that you can run your car on water?... What's going on?
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Hydrogen is simply not scalable. To build single hydrogen refueling station will cost you around 1 million bucks, to build one charging station costs like 60k, not even mentioning the fact that you can charge your car at your own house. Currently there are under 1000 hydrogen stations in the WORLD, while there are around 3 000 000 BEV's dedicated charging stations. And there is a good reason why this huge difference here... Because hydrogen doesn't scale...
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@alphaschneider2468 You can't break laws of physics just because you really really want it... Hydrogen cars are really old technology by this point and it simply doesn't work in a way that it would be reasonable. You can't generate hydrogen on demand, again, first law of thermodynamics, heck any scientist will explain you why that one will never work. Water isn't fuel, just like crude oil isn't petroleum. You actually need to make it, produce it, and that takes crap ton of electricity and there is no way around it. Basic logical thinking here could create red flags straight away. You want to make hydrogen from water, so electrolysis, which produces hydrogen and oxygen, cool, after that you want to combine hydrogen with oxygen to produce energy, which results in that same water. Like, can you see potential issue here straight away? Water -> hydrogen and oxygen -> hydrogen + oxygen -> Water. So then, from which magical place does this excess energy should come from to power anything else, let alone to power actual electrolysis? Perpetual motion engines do not exist... Let alone those which can make crap ton more power than its using... We would be having thousands upon thousands water/hydrogen powered electrical plants across entire world if this magical technology could work in any meaningful way...
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Not really, what you are getting is distilled water and you can simply use none corrosive materials for that part if you needed, it's none issue.
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But but but... Mah car soouuuund!!! Its all about that sound... People will use allot less efficient cars just to get that sound... Some people are just weird.
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Nitrogen or hydrogen? In either case, for nitrogen it needs to be under −195C and for hydrogen its -252C, as you can imagine keeping something like that at such low temperatures is more than challenging
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Can't say that caravan even started to move yet.
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Hydrogen cars are fine due to the fact that those are electric cars with extra steps, instant torque, fast'ish fill ups, good range, but... Extremely expensive to fuel and to maintain...
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Problem is with efficiency AND fuel... Just go and read about hydrogen embrittlement...
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From which video you got this false information? You do understand that you got scammed? Right?
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To -252C? Well, you could, but that would require crap ton of energy on its own, which would defeat entire purpose in having liquid hydrogen
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What we have is killing people... We appreciated those cars from 1886, its time to move on to something better.
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Its funny when people starts to talk about BEV's on Hydrogen video... And just FYI you can charge your BEV at home overnight, so your cycle time is at max as you are not wasting any time at all, it's always at full before you leave your house.
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@silo3com You do understand that Hydrogen would cost 2x of what you been paying for electric?
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@silo3com It makes no difference if I own BEV or not... Your entire original point was to say that BEV's are not practical because it takes time to charge, I pointed out that you can charge at home and avoid a need to charge it at all and have even better cycle time than any other car, you then went with point that it cost for you allot in electrical bills... And all of this is under hydrogen engine video... Do you see how fast you jump from one point to the next for some reason? Hybrids are the worse ones, now you will have 1.5 cars in one, which will only increase maintenance costs, more failure points and so on. if you are not charging BEV's at home, you can do it at dedicated charging stations which can do it quicker, but in general 30 minutes will be more than enough to go from 20% to 80, which will give you more than enough range. This is complete non issue for majority of people for majority of instances when they will be using cars... And charging times only going down over time.
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@silo3com So you can't argue about something unless you own it yourself?... Solid logic there... Let me spell it out for you if you can't connect the dots. BEV's at the moment are expensive due to them still being new thing and production not being fast enough to catch up with demand. I tend to not buy brand new cars, issue with BEV's is that their price doesn't really drop over time, so there isn't many reasonable options, yet. I would gladly get Tesla Model Y if there was one for affordable price. And when it comes to hydrogen cars... Well, i'm not that rich to start diving into that rabbit hole... If you struggled paying bills for electric car then you will struggle with Hydrogen ones even more. By the way, did you never checked how much you will be spending on electricity before you got your electric car? Was that some sort of weird shock to you? Did you not expected increase in electrical bills when you got BEV?... Its so weird... Its like you bought electric car with expectations that you wont need to charge it at all... Och, and which BEV you had?
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@silo3com I mainly don't own it because I rarely drive in general, if I was using my car daily then it would make sense to get an BEV, but when I use it maybe max twice in a week to get to local grocery store is just doesn't make any sense. I'm actually looking for a new car, new used car, was thinking about BEV, but that one would cost like 30k, my aim for a budget is tops 15k as there is no point for me to spend more than this on a car which will spend most of its time rusting in my driveway. Tho car after this one will most likely be BEV, especially if next 25k generation comes out in that time. "Used Tesla vehicles are very readily available from Hertz rentals at a steep discount" I'm not from US... Shocker... I know... But there are more than single country in the world. You could have guessed that part from by broken English on your own. In my country you can see supercharge as often as you can see Bugatti near dollar store... Sadly our country isn't being prioritized for BEV's, even tho I keep seeing increased about of BEV's on the roads. "This is magical thinking from EV fans who live in a delusional world." Did you had any actual point here? BEV's are more expensive than ICE cars, ok, its like saying "grass is green", we got it, we know... Point about BEV's is that it is cheaper to travel with those and it requires basically zero maintenance, so that difference in initial costs will melt down over few years. Side thing would be that it's more environmentally friendly. Are you just like someone who got but hurt by buying BEV because you forgot to double check your electricity prices before buying it? Or was that BEV so bad that you regretted buying it? Which BEV did you got?
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And how exactly will you make that Hydrogen? Use electricity? From where does this electricity come from? Magic place?...
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Did you got scammed?
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@youtubeshadower4039 Just saying that there is no such thing as Musk hydrogen engine, so you got scammed.
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Not really, what stops hydrogen cars is actual laws of physics, you can't break those just because you really really want it...
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BEV's doesn't count?
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It needs to be at −252.9C or lower... I will not find a place on earth where you could use outside temperature to cool it down that much...
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Because that will simplify everything and will make total sense... Why do you think there are no ammonia powered cars in production at the moment?... Because its expensive as hell to produce ammonia in mass... Similar thing with matrix suggestion on top of it being extra heavy.
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China doesn't care about patents, by are they not utilizing this magical patented technology you are talking about? And where can I read about that magical patented technology?
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Well yes, if they know how to break first law of thermodynamics... Then it's easy!
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Because gas isn't measured by volume...
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Yes this video is about Hydrogen which is quite different beast than generic LPG.
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Why are they testing it on south Africa's roads? And just because they test something doesn't really mean that they will make it. Testing is fine, this is how you learn if this thing is actually viable option or not. Come back when BMW actually comes out with mass production hydrogen car already built, not empty promises or concept arts, but actually working and already built car.
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@stewartw.9151 You should take into consideration possibility that they are doing this just for the sake of it, aka wanting to make low production cars so that they could say "we have hydrogen cars" and that's that. We yet to see hydrogen car which people would actually buy, especially instances where people would want their next car be hydrogen after they owned one. Experience owning hydrogen cars is abysmal at best.
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Its because only that one makes any sense at this point. Hydrogen could have been decent alternative to go with if there wasn't BEV's, but as we have those then going with hydrogen makes zero sense. You would need to build hundreds of thousands hydrogen refueling stations and thousands hydrogen production plants. Its investment in quadrillions range. Or we could simply invest more money into expanding electrical grid which would be exponentially less costly and better solution long term across the board.
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Those are the past.
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@JEKitchens gas and diesel isn't sustainable, sooner or later we will have to switch to something else, something what is based on renewables, you know, like batteries or maybe even hydrogen. This is why gas and diesel will remain the past due to the fact that those are not renewable resources, not even talking about pollution and inefficiency of it in general.
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@JEKitchens How do you think oil forms? Do you think it will magically keep forming underground for next few billion years? It takes millions of years to form. Are you suggesting for us to make it in a factory? You think that would be more sustainable than making batteries or making hydrogen?... Do you even understand what renewables are? Its a thing you can't actually exhaust because, well, it keeps renewing. You know, like sunlight, like wind, like slowing water, like geothermals and so on. Oil isn't one of those even if it could replenish of few millions of years, key issue here is those millions of years to be renewed. Unless you want to ride a bicycle for that period of time while you wait...
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Liquid hydrogen is non option for private passenger cars. Why you ask? Well simple, liquid hydrogen needs to be under -250C temperatures, if it gets higher then it boils off and if your car is just parked then all that hydrogen will simply be ejected out of your car on constant rate. Aka after filling your car you will have like 3 days before all that hydrogen just goes away. So non option. There are no such thing as hydrogen on the go, unless you are talking about liquid hydrogen being "converted" into gas form, but its not production of hydrogen and usage of that "hydrogen on the go" would be extremely misleading. So please take time to update your comment with facts from actual reality and not "facts" you got from facebook post.
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@LeeBarker-x3p If patent run out then you should be able to atleast provide patent number for me to look it up and your non disclosure agreement should have runned out at same time patent became public. So what was it? because I have no idea what you are talking about here and what I should look up.
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There isn't much of a difference between hydrogen burning and any other gas, including gasoline, so if those rotary engines do not work with regular fuel types, it will not work with hydrogen.
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But its not infancy, HICE engine was invented in 1806, hydrogen fuel cell engine was invented in 1966. So no, it's not in its infancy.
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@Savannah1891 Issue is with basic physics, there is just so much of energy you can get out of hydrogen and there is just so much of hydrogen you can fit into your car... There might be some tiny improvements with billions invested, but there isn't much to improve. On top of this, hydrogen is really bad option as alternative due to looooong list of issues relating to it, so there is little to no chance for it to be anything more than someones expensive hobby.
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Toyota Mirai has 3 huge tanks to achieve 400 mile max range on good day with back wind, with car which uses fuel cell technology which is 2x more efficient than most efficient combustion engine, aka v8 would need like 7-8 of those tanks to get that distance on a good day. So yea, you have a point, look into Mirai and you will realize how little sense v8 makes.
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1. Weight isint big issue as we can see from real world examples. 2. There is no such thing as hydrogen on demand, you have been scammed. 3. Again, being scammed. Stop watching facebook posts and blindly believing them, fact check. 4. And that refueling costs like 150-200 bucks... Who are you working for by trying to spread such silly things?
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Mirai is hydrogen fuel cell powered engine, not internal combustion one...
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Stanley Meyers was a scammer...
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@tausifnazim5048 ICE type engine by its nature is less efficient than Hydrogen fuel cell type ones, so like, how the hell will that get solved exactly? You are burning/exploding hydrogen to create pressure and heat as by product, that heat is main energy loses. So you think that someone will invent cold hydrogen burning?...
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Sounds as practical as having steam powered cars where you have to shovel coal into furnace at regular intervals manually... Hydrogen on demand will never be a thing, like, ever.
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Yes, what could go wrong by having bunch of highly pressurized tanks across entire car, what could go wrong in case of accident... To put it simply, there is no reasonable way to put in bunch of tiny tanks all over the place, current cars already have 3 and its 2 tanks more than it should have.
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You are talking about something what CAN'T exist. You need more energy to extract hydrogen from water than you will get back. To simplify, you need 2kg of hydrogen to make 1kg of hydrogen, and no, those numbers are not backwards.
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Because laws of physics don't exist in your reality?
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@frankjames1955 You think that electrolysis runs on magical pixie dust? I will go with this until you realize where you made a mistake here, besides watching some scam videos on youtube.
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Well if you know how to break laws of physics, then maybe we could use water.
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I guess people who worked on this technology for decades and spend millions if not billions in R&D never thought about it... Or there might be another reason why it could not work that way...
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@chrishostasek5104 Or maybe you are just wrong?... Do you seriously think that there is some sort of grand conspiracy or just bunch of lazy people in the world that no one thought of something as simple as you just suggested?... Go for it, make billions by selling your patent here...
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@chrishostasek5104 Because using liquid hydrogen isn't an option. Just like entire hydrogen car idea, it only sounds good on paper, it doesn't scale in reality. Liquid hydrogen needs to remain under -250C, which as you can imagine isn't really possible to remain in a car when you might have ambient temperature at +30C. That temperature gradient is the main issue with liquid hydrogen even before you get into methods you will use to transport it from that tank to engine itself. Then you just have general practicality, safety and efficiency of system like this. I can see one major issue with it, what would be "hydrogen on demand" issue. You don't need constant supply of it, it needs to change based on demand and there isn't good way to just increase hydrogen supply at the moment you actually need it if you only using your evaporating method. At best you would need some battery in between which could store energy and equalize supplied power to the car to counter that slow change in hydrogen pressure, so yet another energy loss source.
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Water isn't fuel.
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Water isn't fuel... You need more energy to extract hydrogen from water then you will get back by using it, aka you are wasting energy and money.
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Main issue with liquid hydrogen is to actually keep it at liquid hydrogen state, which would be under -250C temperature. You could make cars with liquid hydrogen, but those would constantly lose their fuel by simply sitting in your driveway. Not ideal thing when hydrogen costs you arm and leg and now it just constantly leaks.
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Gatitasecsii Why? Like seriously, he literally presents actual numbers you could verify, he basically presents hard facts and not his personal opinion and you still think that he is being paid by Elon?... While Tesla doesn't even need that due to higher demand than supply of Tesla cars at the moment even without any marketing.
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1. Weight increase would be enormous, not even talking about increased price 2. What type of flexible material would you use to move liquids at lower than -252C? 3. Aerogel is extremely brittle, so not suitable for insulation, especially in environments with a lot of vibrations 4. No idea what you wanted to say here exactly. What exactly hybrid? Like hydrogen fuel cell? Then why even include combustion engine when you can achieve 2x performance with hydrogen fuel cell engines?
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@AmaroqStarwind If you want to have extra battery in your car, then why not simply replace ICE engine with Fuel cell? What would be the point in having combustion engine? Its half the efficiency, would cost your kidney to maintain it. I keep seeing people mentioning matrix option, cool beans, but none managed to actually present actual numbers here. Like, how much of hydrogen can you store in given volume? How much weight would that be? How hard is it to actually insert hydrogen into that matrix? What about extraction? Cost in general? While it might sound cool to have that matrix, its just pipe dream.
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@AmaroqStarwind Toyota will not follow with it anyways, at best they will make like 1000 of those cars and will sell like 200 in total. Its PR move, nothing else. Even fuel cell cars fail to be adopted, there are no chances for combustion ones to be anything more than someones expensive hobby.
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Which part of 12 buckets you did not understood? There isn't enough space where your current fuel tank is. on top of this, due to high pressures hydrogen tanks need to be cylindrical which are worse when it comes to space savings, this is why most hydrogen fuel cell cars have 3 huge tanks all over the car making it extremely unpractical.
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@kcleach9312 You do realize that not everyone is fluent in English and that there might be more than one country in the world? Right? And I didn't made this video, so you need to atleast pay more attention to basic things here. Will try to use simpler words here. There is not enough free space in a car to fit all needed hydrogen for that car to remain practical in day to day life. Was this simple enough for you?
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HICE engine invented in 1806, FCE engine invented in 1839, so no, its not a new technology and its not in its infancy.
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@randy-ke8vn Emissionless would mean that car doesn't emit emissions while being used, not while being produced or recycled...
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@randy-ke8vn And its the main one. There are ZERO products in the world which produce zero emissions, heck even hydrogen cars being in use produce small amount of emissions due to basic wear and tear. But it becomes nict picking than anything else.
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@randy-ke8vn I was pointing out that you are nickpicking here with your original comment and then pointed out that you could go all the way with same approach... Doesn't really do any good here either way.
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If your prototype sounds broken, then your end product will not even exist... It's usually backwards, when you have excellent numbers for a prototype and then it gets somewhat worse when it gets into real product
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Hydrogen is energy dense by WEIGHT, its extremely bad when it comes by VOLUME, this entire video talks about VOLUME issue, not weight...
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It's around 60% more energy required for same distance for Hydrogen fuel cell based car. That's excluding all the extra work, equipment and time you would need to produce it, store it, transport it, store it again and then distribute. Hydrogen only sounds nice as a newspaper title like "Car runs on water".
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If you can keep that hydrogen under -252C, cool beans, but this is practically impossible and it would just boil off over time. Liquid hydrogen would ONLY make sense for quick usage, like you fill up and then go on 400 mile trip straight away, but if you have any plans to have this car in your driveway, liquid hydrogen will not work.
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there is difference between pumping a liquid and pumping smallest gaseous element in the universe.
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Liquid hydrogen isint an option for regular passenger cars, you can't magically keep that hydrogen under -252C temperatures for any extended periods of time, this video was about hydrogen in a gas form, just like every single hydrogen car in the world uses.
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Will simplify things here: you need 2kg of hydrogen to make 1kg of hydrogen, and these numbers are not backwards. You might notice potential issue with your idea here.
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And what would be the cost of it? How fast can you extract hydrogen from it? How much power you need to extract it? And so on.
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No actual mass produced hydrogen cars will be combustion type ones, so you are right, it's all bollocks from the start...
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Infrastructure required for hydrogen production and storage costs crap tone of money. When it comes to EV's is allot simpler, but even then its really slow in being adopted. At some point when ICE cars gets completely axed hydrogen cars for public transportation or specific use cars could rise up, but its hardly will ever win over EV's.
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Few basic facts here. First hydrogen combustion engine invented in 1806, fuel cell in 1969, so this tech isn't new, its ancient. Second, while it takes to charge BEV's tiny bit longer, that tiny amount is worthless when you consider the fact that you will be paying like 10x more for hydrogen refueling just to save extra 10 minutes, and yes, 10 minutes, as you can go from 20% to 80% on BEV in like 15 minutes, while it takes around 5 to refuel hydrogen car. So that 10 saving is actually you wasting your money. Next, hydrogen needs to be produced, by using electricity, and using more of it, so your complain about BEV's shifting pollution to power plants is even worse complain for hydrogen. Lithium production isn't big issue and we have quite few new battery technologies which either lowers lithium usage or removes it entirely, on top of this, you can recycle old batteries and reuse that same lithium to make new batteries, over and over again.
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You have seen AI auto generated scam video. Such system can't existing without breaking laws of physics, aka it can't exist.
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?... How the hell you missed the point of you using 12V battery here?... You are putting in more energy into that entire system than you are getting back out, so you are just wasting energy by using electricity to create hydrogen and then use that for power... Welcome to physics 101.
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Because you don't like it?
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So you believe it because dude said so? You do know that it never was confirmed to be true to begin with. Right?
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Isn't it's interesting that you talking about batteries under video which talks about hydrogen cars?
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Because laws of physics prevents this from happening...
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@DamodarDasKirtan First law of thermodynamics. Will make it extremely simple for you here. You need 2kg of hydrogen to make 1kg of hydrogen. And no, those numbers are not backwards. You should see potential issue with your idea here.
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Yea, what could go wrong by having poisonous gas in your car tank... Biofuels are expensive and have high energy requirements to be produced, so its not a good replacement if you want something what is more carbon friendly. And its not carbon negative, there is no such thing in general. At best you could collect back most of the carbon to create new fuel, but to create it you will need to use energy which will produce carbon which you can't utilize as you already used the one which was already created from previous biofuel cycle... All those carbon negative things only apply to tiny portion of entire cycle, not entirety of it. Carbon doesn't disappear when you create biofuel, all that same carbon will be released back into air. Do some basic research here.
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@Mentaculus42 Carbon negative would imply that you are actually consuming carbon during which process you either convert carbon molecules to something else, aka bonding/splitting it, or you, well, bond it and store it as solid somewhere. How exactly would that work with biofuel? As while you can bond carbon with hydrogen creating biofuel, at the moment you start using that fuel you will be releasing the same carbon back into air, so you are not getting net negative here, you simply can't. On top of this you need to use energy to actually bond that carbon to hydrogen, not even talking that you need energy to produce hydrogen in the first place, and each energy source will have its own carbon footprint. " is scientifically determined to be substantially CARBON NEGATIVE due to not allowing the methane to enter the atmosphere directly" Which is weirdly sounding fluff without actual meaning. It's like saying that BEV's are carbon negative because by using electric cars you are not using ICE ones... Or that having solar panels is carbon negative because you are not burning coal... That's not how carbon footprint is actually calculated. "Ammonia is toxic, not poisonous" Exposure to high concentrations of ammonia in air causes immediate burning of the eyes, nose, throat and respiratory tract and can result in blindness, lung damage or death. I mean, ok, its toxic which can kill you if you inhale it in higher doses... I stand corrected... Its not poisonous in that sense... Potato potahto. "It doesn’t surprise me that the non-informed public lack basic understanding." Correct, this is why general public still thinks that going with hydrogen or ammonia or biofuel is better option than just going with electric cars. Go figure.
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... There is no such thing as cars running on water... You will put in crap tone of energy into conversion and you will get back like 50% of it... So if you already have energy to be used for conversion, then why the hell not simply use that to move your car?
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@dianaw4827 Give me link to peer reviewed scientific paper which talks about this magical extremely high efficiency electrolysis... Facebook posts doesn't count. I will wait.
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Gas could be free, heck, government could be paying for you to use gas, still would not change anything here... We are transitioning from gas not because its expensive, but because some of us trying to stop killing this planet.
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You should actually fact check and not blindly believe random videos on youtube, especially the ones using AI voice with random clips in it. To put it simply, NO, Toyota didn't invented water engine...
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10k is already more than anyone would want, pushing it further would only require a lot stronger tanks with better and more expensive materials while increasing risk of major failures if something goes wrong. Increasing pressure isn't really an option
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Magic isn't real...
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Stanley Meyer was a scammer... You can't beat first law of thermodynamics. Will make it really clear here. To make 1000g of hydrogen you need 2000g of hydrogen. Yes, you need more hydrogen to create half of it again. Hydrolysis requires a lot of electricity, then you have general energy loses for electrolysis and for hydrogen fuel cell engines which creates huge net loss, aka it's NOT possible to create hydrogen on board without having dedicated battery for that purpose only which defeats entire point of hydrogen car.
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Due to basic laws of physics you can't just convert water into hydrogen and then back into water while producing net gain of electricity during that process.
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@hydrogen-power-gas When you see someone saying "hydrogen on demand" its 100% scam... You can't beat first law of thermodynamics... Will make it simple, you need 2000g of hydrogen to produce 1000g of hydrogen. Do you see TINY issue with those numbers? Water isn't fuel, hydrogen is, but to make hydrogen you need to input crap ton of energy and you will get back only portion of it, aka its a net negative energy, so you simply CAN'T have hydrogen on demand and never will. So congrats, you got scammed, just hoping that you didn't invested in one of those "companies"...
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@hydrogen-power-gas There is no such thing as hydrogen on demand.
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Do you expect to go there on v8 engine or something?
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@OrionDworkinORION 0 to 60 (not 100) in 2.5 seconds is just a by product of how BEV's work, tho honestly HFC cars should be able to do same exact thing as those usually have batteries inside to equalize discharging. And saying that China is doing China stuff doesn't make actual argument against BEV's, it only points out how badly China handles BEV market, nothing more.
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Promoting fake videos?... Is someone paying you for this or are you just random internet bot?
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@MrI8igmac 1 gallon? You measure gas production rate in volume?... You do understand that I could go to biggest vacuum chamber in the world and will it entirely with my single fart? Gas needs to be measured in weight, not volume... And no, you can't have diesel generator to create hydrogen, that makes no sense... You will be wasting energy for no reason.
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If you want cool v8 noise, go play racing game or something.
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Now calculate how much water vapor you would produce from hydrogen car which would actually become vapor and not simply absorbed by ground vs how much Co2
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What would be the weight of that tank? What would be the cost? What would be the raw weight of hydrogen you could store in that tank?... Just saying "hydrate" will not make it best option ever by default
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Issue is that when it comes to Tesla startup, they had no actual competitors, but lucid now has Tesla. Like this car is 2-3x more expensive than Tesla model S Plaid. It's not that compelling to buy lucid when you can get multiple Teslas with tiny bit less performance in them. Lucid is struggling and burning money at the moment, this is why they want to have ridiculous cars like this one, just to remain on the map.
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Cool beans, where is this technology? How much energy do you need to free it? What would be the cost? What would be the weight? What is the density number? I keep seeing claims like yours, but non of you manages to present actual numbers...
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They are just idiots. To be more serious, when car company boasts about making some super duper clean car, its usually just PR move to tick that box "making green cars" and that's that.
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Irony is strong with people like you. In what form hydrogen (you said nitrogen) should be for it to take less space? Liquid... It should be liquid... And how can you make hydrogen liquid? Chill it. How low you ask? -250C and colder. Its cold, really cold. Now. Can you even grasp basic idea of what type of container you would need to keep that hydrogen chill at such extreme temperatures for long periods of times? You can't, it would boil off in like 3 days. So liquid hydrogen isn't being used in any passenger cars for this reason. So, as we put this aside, what else you will have? Hydrogen in gas form. So how much space would hydrogen in gas form and under something like 10000 psi would take to achieve 300 miles? Its more than regular gasoline tank.
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Because you will need to put MORE energy in separating that hydrogen from oxygen than you will get back out of it, aka you will lose energy, aka water isn't a fuel, never was and never will be.
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Reality disagrees.
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Did you just tried to measure gas in volume?...
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Liquid hydrogen usually boils off in few days, not much you can do about it
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This doesn't exist... Fact check next time.
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Ammonia is toxic and extremely corrosive across the board. Duno about you but this isn't a good solution even if it was a free fuel.
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Hydrogen could only worked if we got those before BEV's went into mass production, so when we already have better alternatives, why would anyone want to go with hydrogen?
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Ok.
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From where did you got this magical number? And have you seen hydrogen cars? Those with 3 huge tanks and getting 400 mile range? So then, what range do you think you could get from your retrofitted car? 100 miles?
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@gjermundification You are missing one TINY issue here... Your calculations are based on Hydrogen being in a liquid form which is extremely difficult thing to have and quite impractical in general as it will boil off by simply being in your tank. On top of this. You will need actual place to put this new tank or multiple of them, so existing fuel tank place will not be suitable for it, so most likely your trunk will be used, so you will lose that one entirely. This assuming that you could go with liquid hydrogen. If not, then you will have tiny range by going with highly pressurized hydrogen tank. Its not that easy to just convert existing car... It will cost you arm and leg to retro fit it, then it will be extremely inconvenient due to how much extra space it will take and then you will pay arm and leg to refuel it... So why would anyone want to do it?
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@gjermundification yes yes yes, just get bunch of cinnamon and you can travel across the world...
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First of all, water isn't free. Second, you can't beat basic laws of physics here. You could have easily said that your legs are free so now you will just walk everywhere for free... Well... Those are not free either
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You could, issue is when you are not using that car, and boiling off isn't really adjustable on the fly, so you still need a method to supply hydrogen in quantities you actually need at that moment.
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You ignoring the fact that you watched AI generated fake video and you think that it represents actual reality...
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No idea how its win win, and no, your modern american truck is still constrained by space. Do you expect it magically to not require bunch of extra space to fit all those hydrogen tanks in it? Or do you want to make those american trucks even bigger? Space issue remains independent of car type and size. This video was about V8 engine, by my knowledge V8 eats way more fuel than, well, any lover V's does, right? Your double performance is in comparison to actually economical hydrogen combustion engine, might be V4 or even V3, not a V8. Fuel cells break, but those break less than combustion engines. Why do you think there are no actual hydrogen combustion based mass produced cars? Because its a big issue when it comes to actual maintenance costs of those. Its just a expensive toy. And for f**k sakes, why do people keep bringing up BEV's into this conversation? This V8 can't even compete with fuel cell, why even bring in something else into conversation?
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@Rene-uz3eb That's cool and all, but increasing car size will increase fuel consumption. So pick any of your super duper sized truck and try to shove in few cylindrical tanks in it. All that extra space you got from this super duper super sized truck gained would be lost, so what's the point? Your truck already utilized more or less max amount of space, just like every other car. There aren't just huge empty voids in cars chassy where you could just put in multiple tanks without compromising something. Google Toyota Mirai, its hydrogen car, it has 3 tanks to get 400 mile range. This is equivalent to basic car with 400 mile range, but, try to compare actual usable space in it, because Mirai suffers from huge central console (has one of the tanks there), small back seat (again, tank under it) and small trunk (yes, tank under it).
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@Rene-uz3eb Check size of Mirai car, its huge, yet interior is tiny due to it needing to have 3 tanks. And its hydrogen fuel cell car. Now double that for combustion and then double that for v8 and you will realize how quickly you will run out of empty voids in your oversized (compensating for something?) car. Not even talking about maintenance costs... As every single hydrogen tank has expiration date printed on them, like every single one of them. Imagine a need to replace those every X years... Good luck with that.
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@Rene-uz3eb Hydrogen tanks expire based on time, not on refuel cycles, this is why those have expiration dates. You might extend their lifespan if you avoid filling them to the max, but you will still have that same expiration date after which you will HAVE to replace those independent on how much they degraded over time. And yes, its a crazy idea. Combustion engine on its core is silly idea as hydrogen fuel cell produces twice the energy, aka you can travel double the distance. And what exactly do you win by wasting energy with combustion engine? Sound... That's it... There are no other "benefit" besides it making similar sound to petrol one, everything else goes into negatives, including price, maintenance cost, refueling costs, usable space...
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@Rene-uz3eb Cryo hydrogen is non option due to mentioned boiloff. No one in their right mind would want a fuel which just evaporates if you are not using your car and you would be risking to be stranded if you not used your car for few days. Money thrown away. And no, you can't just fill up before each trip, share amount of equipment needed for this would be more than the car itself in cost and in maintenance. Again, no one in their right mind would pick that option. So compressed gas it is. BEV's keeps improving on regular basis, its generally most convenient and cheapest option out there as alternative for gasoline cars. Hydrogen fuel cells would be second option, third would be, maybe, e-fuel type cars, then maybe hydrogen combustion. Aka your combustion engines would maybe kind of potentially work for heavy machinery, kind of, not really tho, as you could still get better performance and cheaper maintenance from fuel cell. Point is that hydrogen came in too late for it to become anything more than someone rich guys expensive toy, we got better solution.
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What?
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Which can do like 60 miles on full tank which costs like 100 bucks to fill it up. It's a cool toy, nothing much else.
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You can't beat physics.
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But his video was specifically about Toyota's V8 engine, if Toyota makes V6 or V4 then he will make one on those
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Yes yes yes and humanity is being controlled by lizard people... There is no such thing as water powered car, it phatically can't exist without you braking basic laws of physics here. Hydrogen conversion from water takes in MORE energy than you will get back out of it while converting it back into water. No amount of perfected electrodes will help you here, you can't beat physics... So which scenario is more likely, there is lizard people controlling the universe who are afraid of water cars, or that dude lied?...
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@ikukootsuka74 You have no idea how irrelevant your information is... On top of it being aimed to mislead people.
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Well you are clearly not an engineer and not a scientists or just someone who did basic google search. Water isn't fuel, to extract hydrogen from water you need energy, which is, shockingly (to some here), higher than you will get back out of it even if you used hydrogen fuel cells which are twice the efficiency in comparison to efficient combustion engines. Shocker, I know. Basic math, you need 2kg of hydrogen to make 1kg of hydrogen. Try to see issue here with the math.
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Not for long. There is limited amount of oil in ground, it will run out sooner or later, hydrogen is better option when it comes to supply of it, EV's would be best solution across the board.
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@daliborzak2485 Are we talking about convenience for the people or actual best solution fr environment and for long run? Because now you just saying that EV's are bad because some people in remote areas might experience inconveniences... Ok... EV's are still best solution either way, independent how inconvenient it might make someone living in mountains...
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Because hydrogen is extremely low on energy density when it comes to its volume, then combine it with combustion engine which is half the efficiency of hydrogen fuel cell engines and you will get this low bar
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Its aging even better than expected.
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But it isn't, is it? Which part of this video got outdated and why exactly?
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Riiiight, because those are piling up so fast already... Och wait...
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It's called "recycling"...
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After that they will need to resolve remaining 69 issues...
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Yes, it's usually 3 of those and it extremely limits interior space for passengers, we have few examples of cars like that already
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You forgot to fact check basic reality...
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@dakawans83 Do you remember 2020 when you hag most strict corona restrictions and people stopped driving their cars and you got nice and clean air in cities for few months? Well, replace those cancer inducing polluting cars with clean ones and you might understand why it's a big deal. And yea, it's around 15% and not 1%. If we would talk about passenger cars, if you would include all transportation then it would be around 30%.
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You are completely wrong by saying that he is completely wrong. What now?
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You can't break laws of physics tho.
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What difference does it make if he uses liters or gallons if he does it for both things?... Check any modern hydrogen car with decent range, all of those have 3 huge hydrogen tanks all over the car. Why? Because you need allot of space to fit all of it...
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Duno what you would do with hydrogen fuel cell in space, but yes, you can do it, kind of. You would still need oxygen to combine with hydrogen to get energy out of it, but that would be only that, electricity. You are better off to just use solar panels.
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@kennysides6892 We are exploring alternatives, with battery technology, which on itself have few different variations. Hydrogen technology doesn't scale across the board. Take basics here, to build one hydrogen station you need around 1million bucks, to build one BEV's recharging station it would be around 50k, on top of that you will have wildly different maintenance costs. This is why we have like 3 million public BEV charging stations in the world and this is why there are under 1000 of hydrogen ones... Hydrogen doesn't scale...
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Just because company decides to go all in with one technology, doesn't make it good or smart. Hydrogen is dead in the water, always was and always will be.
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We have flying cars, those are called helicopters... And there is a reason why you see so little of those flying around. Noise pollution, safe risk, cost to operate, you need special license to operate it and you need special license to actually fly in specific areas as now you are no longer driving on the roads, you would be flying over someone's house, and lets be honest, you would not want some drunk a** person flying with his flying carpet over you... And for hydrogen being lighter than air... That's like least important thing, hydrogen is being stored either under extreme pressures which makes it way heavier than air or in liquid form. And no, we will not have flying cars you imagine here.
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Tell him to google "hydrogen embrittlement"
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Hydrogen combustion engine is non starter straight away. Why you ask? Simple, hydrogen fuel cell engines are twice the efficiency, so at best it will be hydrogen fuel cell and not combustion one. Basic physics, you can't beat those.
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Check Mirai and how much space it has, now imagine having 2x more tanks to fuel this V8 atrocity.
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Fuel cost would be astronomical. Hydrogen already is extremely expensive, having it combined with CO2 only increases price. You might resolve one issue, it still creates more. And you know what is the biggest issue with methanol? It being extremely toxic when ingested, inhaled, or absorbed through the skin. Not that good of alternative I might say.
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Seeing people who never fact check, Toyota never made on-demand electrolysis... You should avoid watching AI created fake videos... Or at worse fact check.
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Cleaner better, in general distilled would be best one to use.
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Is this about one those cam claims that cars can run on water?
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They don't, Toyota will go bankrupt in few years if they stick with their all in hydrogen nonsense... It simple doesn't scale, it sounds nice on paper, but it will not become reality.
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Energy density by weight flies over the window when you check its energy density by volume. You could have energy source which can get you 1000miles from 1kg of fuel, will mean nothing if you need 1000m^3 of volume to store it. Is exaggeration of numbers, yes, I know, but its to make a point here, hydrogen takes up a lot of space which usually isn't something you can afford in passenger cars.
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Because magic isn't real.
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This is video about hydrogen cars, not BEV's...
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Tech you are talking about doesn't exist.
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First hydrogen combustion engine invented in 1806, first hydrogen fuel cell invented in 1966. How is that in infancy exactly? There are simply basic fundamental limitations of hydrogen, there is set amount of energy you could ever get out of hydrogen and there is set amount of pressure you could use to store that hydrogen and so on and on and on and on... Hydrogen technology basically hit its ceiling like 20 years ago
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@HarryElmore-jl2p Any video you see mentioning water engine is 100% full of crap. I dare you to find official statement from Toyota mentioning your magical engine.
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@just_man209 Yes, and production process makes petroleum from crude oil too, does mean that you can just fill up on crude oil, doesn't it?... There is no such thing as cars powered by water, never was and never will be. And due to first law of thermodynamics you can't have hydrogen production on board, basic physics 101.
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Why?
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Can you figure it out?
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Battery reaching its limits? Then why it keeps improving every year wit quite few battery technologies which showed huge potential in lab setting? Carbon nanotube batteries are exponentially better than any other battery out there, issue is with its production scalability. So no, its not reaching its limits, its just starting.
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Why?
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Congrats! You have been duped!!! You win!!! Nothing!!! There is no such thing as car running on water, anyone saying that there is either has no idea what they are talking about or just plain lying.
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Because magic isint real.
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@alphaschneider2468 First law of thermodynamics disagrees with you.
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Hydrogen has so many drawbacks that no one wants to deal with it. Its non starter. Synthetic fuel sound cool and all, but it costs crap ton of money to produce. Best option is electrification. More charging stations, better battery technology, more recycling plants and so on. There is no point to invest money in multiple technologies and waste your time on those when you already have a best solution at hand.
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Hydrogen combustion engine was invented in 1806, so no, it's not new technology...
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Its not fear mongering, its educating people on basic reality. Combustion engines are half the efficiency in comparison to fuel cell type ones, so its straight away no go. But this one is V8, and I don't think that its a mystery of some sorts to have higher fuel consumptions with more V's, so you have double no go. There is a fuel cell hydrogen car Mirai, it has 3 huge tanks to achieve 400 mile range. Try to imagine how far you would go with V8 with same amount... It would be like 100 miles... Its non starter. Could be fine as a hobby, maybe even for racing, but non starter for daily use.
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17 gallon fuel tank is a meaningless number as those usually are in most compact shape possible, while hydrogen tanks need to be cylindrical without exceptions. Hydrogen basically uses existing car technology to increase its efficiency, its not like its some weird 100% new tech, you could repurpose existing car engines, atleast for short time, due to how similar all of it is. So efficiency will not go that much higher than it is already, as its already using decades of technological advancements.
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Why do you need 500 mile range? Do you often doing 500 mile drives without ever stopping?
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Yes, because they DON'T make hydrogen combustion cars for the reasons he mentioned in this video.
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Weight isn't that better, check Mirai car, its hydrogen car, its weight is actually higher (1,920 kg) than Tesla model Y (1,909). So you are not winning anything here when it comes to weight.
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Hydrogen engine was invented in 1806, it worked this way for past 218 years, on what basis you can say that it will work any differently now?
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@rawman5000 Yes, because phones are not cars... Hydrogen engines already utilizes all the advancements gasoline engines made in past century or so, yet those engines stopped meaningfully improving for past few decades. There isn't much to improve anymore as its all limited by basic laws of physics. Smartphones on another hand still can go further as there is still some areas where it can improve, not much tho, as those are already quite close to the peak performance. Sooner or later every technology hits its peak, ICE engines did that 2 decades ago, smartphones starting to get there too.
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Liquid hydrogen could potentially be used for bigger equipment which can utilize it straight away until full depletion, but its really narrow use case and cooling hydrogen to such extremes is quite expensive on its own, so not many will want to even attempt doing it.
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its not a new technology and it barely improved over the decades it was around, and no one is even promising improvements on it, let alone introducing ones...
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There isn't much to evaluate: its fake.
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There are only Hydrogen fuel cell cars as a real world example, you have 3 huge tanks in a car, which means that you have HUGE middle console, tiny back seat, and tiny trunk. This is to give you 400 miles of range. But keep in mind that this is with hydrogen fuel cells which are TWICE as efficient as HICE type engines, efficient HICE engines, so with this V8 you would need 6+ tanks to get 400 mile range, basically you will have Universal chasi with only 2 seats without any actual free space. Not a good deal...
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Because technology like this CAN'T exist... There is no such thing as creating hydrogen on demand, anyone saying otherwise are either lying or just repeating a lie.
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To liquefy hydrogen you would need to cool it down, way way below 0C, which is impossible to be maintained for regular cars, so not an option and basically will never be one.
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Then go to your garage if you have one, close it, turn on your car and wait there (sarcasm, don't actually do it)... Lets see how it will end up for you, after all CO2 is a scam... So you should be juuuuuust fine. Right?
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You could, if you can keep that hydrogen at -252C temperature. Just a reminder that absolute zero is at −273.15C, so you can imagine how difficult and impractical it is.
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He does need it to be in weight and not volume. You can have liquids in volume or weight, as there is no difference between those numbers, but with gas type materials you can only go with weight.
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Engineers are still limited by laws of physics... No amount of IQ will beat those.
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Depends how you look at it. He did invested his own money into it, he did worked out his ass to get that company out of ground and so on. So like, what would qualify you as a maker of the company by you?
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Liquid hydrogen needs to be under -252C, arctic gets at most to -68C (record, it way warmer than this), so realistically you would still have around 200 degree difference
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Not possible. You need more energy than you will get back from entire process. In simplest explanation would be: you need 2000g hydrogen to make 1000g of hydrogen.
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Yea, who cares about environment we live in, lets just wait and see what happens... And I think you are talking about 2035 and not 2030.
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This video is 1 year old, how did that toyota v8 engine end up?
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@duanenavarre7234 Its not schemes, its called "Scams"... Water powered cars never existed and will not exist without some extremely major breakthroughs in relativate technologies, if its even possible.
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Pretty much prove wrong or give hope? So basically it doesn't do anything special at all? Which part was proven wrong exactly?
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NO such thing as creation on demand.
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Hydrogen is already energy dense, atleast by weight. And it burns as efficiently as it can, already. Storing it in liquid form is extremely inconvenient thing to do, as it will need to remain under -252C which is physically impossible to happen for longer periods of time. Basically it would boil off in like 3 days, so once you filled up your tank you would need to use it up in next few days or it would start venting out, not a good thing to have, especially if your car is in a some enclosed space.
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@akiali2632 ICE engines aren't really getting any more efficient, we are talking about tiny percentage improvements over the years, as there isn't much to improve anymore.
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@akiali2632 With combustion engines its more or less always huge jump in performance at the start, then it slowly gets tiny boosts here and there, but nothing special. Hydrogen combustion engine is non started from the start, as hydrogen fuel cell engines already offer 2x the range.
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Says who?
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First law of thermodynamics.
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It can be done because it was written in news paper of some sorts?... Have this magical tech was actually ever tested and not just "Its real because this guy said so"?
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And why exactly is it bad to look at a thing from engineering side and realize that it makes no sense? If it doesn't even make sense on engineering side, how would it make any sense on practical one?
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It would be extremely delayed between a need to increase amount of hydrogen being pumped and it actually being pumped. And this brings out base issue with liquid hydrogen, it WILL boil off on its own over few days, aka at the moment you fill up your car with it, you better use it constantly, and trips to refueling station would be like every 3 days or so, without exceptions, or you will be stranded with empty tank.
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Which part in this video was wrong and why?
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@danielkotzer636 Wait, are you one of those who thinks that it's possible to have hydrogen on demand? To address some points you made here, while you can use different combustible gases in engines, every single one needs something slightly different, while with hydrogen that list of needs is extra long. Have you ever heard of hydrogen embrittlement? It's a thing where hydrogen will eat through metals its in contact with, this is why all hydrogen tanks are being coated with ceramics, which helps out with that, but doesn't resolve issue entirely. Considering that, you will need special engine made of special metal alloy which is more resistant to hydrogen embrittlement, which means that you can't just use any engine out there, atleast not for longer use times. Even ceramic coated hydrogen tanks have literal expiration dates printed on them and you will HAVE to replace them after few years. Will try asking again, what was actually wrong in this video and why? Like actual tell me which statement you are addressing here and what is the "correct" answer.
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@danielkotzer636 "There is a material from which hydrogen balloons can be made, but whoever made them was forbidden to sell them because it is a "military secret"" And your source for this is...? "Just trust me bro"? " I guess for the engine as well, after all the engine is almost never exposed to hydrogen, it reaches the piston and immediately burns." In which magical way do you think this hydrogen would reach engine? And i'm hoping here that you do know how engines actually work... Right? One cycle to draw in hydrogen into cylinder and then compress it, next one would be the burning one and excusing remains from that combustion, so you have half of the cycle not only with hydrogen in it, but with compressed hydrogen... So yea, you are obviously wrong here. "There are welding machines that use electrolysis to produce hydrogen and immediately it burns" Cool beans, now, did you noticed slight difference between this welding machine and a car? Maybe that electrical cable going to the wall?... Will make it really simple for you. To make 1 kg of hydrogen you will need 2kg of hydrogen, and no, those numbers are not backwards. You will need twice as much hydrogen to use it as energy source to produce half of it as return, and this is only for self production, this doesn't even include ability to use any excess for actual car propulsion and this is with hydrogen fuel cell technology which is twice the efficiency of combustion engines. Do you see potential issue here? "if they didn't find a solution for it, they wouldn't sell it" Every single part in your car has some sort of expiration date as it wears down naturally, difference between hydrogen tanks and those parts is that hydrogen tank wears out based on time. Just like there are no instructions to replace any part you buy, there might not be one specifically for the tank, but you should actually check tank itself as it should have expiration date printed on it. "but not to claim that it is not possible as in this video" No one said that it's not possible, entire issue boils down to it being impractical and extremely expensive to use. This entire video talks about required space for hydrogen only, is it possible to utilize entire interior of the car for hydrogen tanks? Well yes. Would anyone want car like that? No. Same thing with price per mile driven. Cost of maintenance is astronomical due to hydrogen embrittlement. Cost of hydrogen itself is extreme too as we have 0% of it on earth in its pure form, aka 100% of hydrogen needs to be produced. Hydrogen only sounds cool on paper but doesn't work as viable option in actual reality. You should actually do more research on this topic than just watching AI auto generated videos on youtube on how Toyota is breaking laws of physics because they (video creators) said so...
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@danielkotzer636 Its not my job, its my hobby to educate people. Toyota might present this magical v8 car, cool beans, they will sell like 10 of them and that's that. It's a hobby car, a car which is used to show off to your friends and not to use it for daily driving. The fact that you failed to counter any of my arguments shows that you either don't care what is actually true or you know it and just pretend that you don't
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Hydrogen combustion engines are around 50% the efficiency in comparison to hydrogen fuel cell engines. Now go and look up hydrogen cars and check how "spacious" their interior are even with double the efficiency of engine...
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Because Toyota builds hydrogen fuel cell cars and not combustion ones. Those are twice the efficiency, and even then you have 2 huge hydrogen tanks just to get that max 400 mile range.
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Because breaking laws of physics is quite hard... Will make it really simple here, you need around 2kg of hydrogen to make around 1kg of hydrogen, and no, those numbers are not backwards. You might see potential issue here.
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@ARCSTREAMS What you seen was a scam video claiming stuff Toyota never said. There are entire channels spreading nonsense videos like that.
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@ARCSTREAMS There are strict rules for posting links in here, usually comments gets removed automatically independent where this link leads you too. So avoid doing that or expect it to be auto removed with high probability. There are no official videos from Toyota to support your statement here, there are only bunch of fake channels making those claims. Conversion of hydrogen from water takes (as example) 100kW, while using this amount of hydrogen with most efficient hydrogen cell engine you will get back around 500kW, which means that you are loosing half of energy by trying to convert hydrogen from water onboard, which means... Water powered cars do not exist and anyone who claims that those do are simply either lying or have no idea what they are talking about. Like seriously, if you could power car with water, then instead of coal electric plants we would have water electric plants... But we don't, because technology like that doesn't exist. And no, there is no grand conspiracy here...
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Because problem actually exist and we are trying to solve it
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@axoneer7806 Pollution?
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Och you are one of those... While there is always carbon in air, issue isn't with it being there, issue is with AMOUNT of it in there... Aka EVERYTHING in high doses isint healthy, heck you can even overdose on drinking water or breathing pure oxygen. There is simply to much of CO2 in the air. And what is really weird is that you claiming that global warming is a hoax and that we should not go with cleaner solutions is basically 101 big oil company propaganda. In which reality going with cleaner solutions is bad?
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How is it better? To fill up hydrogen car you will be paying like 200 bucks for 350mile range, while with BEV's you will be paying like 20 bucks for that same 350 mile range. Not even talking about allot more space in your car in general due to lack of huge hydrogen tanks.
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Which magical power source will convert ammonia to hydrogen and nitrogen exactly?
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@ianbottom7396 Yes yes yes, just like there are cars running on water... Conversion of hydrogen requires quite a bit of electricity, its not a free process. I'm yet to see actually working and practical car running on your ammonia converted into Hydrogen or simply one running on ammonia directly.
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@ianbottom7396 Ammonia powered cars are as popular as pink flip flops with cat pictures on it, you can barely find any information about it even if you try... So clearly something doesn't work with that technology as it can't even beat basic hydrogen cars.
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Electric version is 2x the efficiency... Aka you can travel twice the distance. No idea how that makes it more expensive, especially when fuel cell technology doesn't involve moving parts or explosions which need to be managed with hundreds of moving parts... Did you got your comment completely backwards accidentally?
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What was wrong with what he said here?
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Tesla roadster was never actually made, so that 600 mile range at the moment is just a claim made by Tesla, it's a concept. I'm all for electric cars, but lets not use a thing which was never made as example.
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Why would that matter? Is his math wrong?
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False, this technology never existed and can't exist due to basic first law of thermodynamics... You need to input more energy to convert water into hydrogen than you will get back out. Cars running on water NEVER existed...
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What about them? Can those handle 10 000 psi?
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Then why no one wants to buy hydrogen cars?
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Hydrogen combustion engine was invented in 1806, its extremely old technology. So they are not finding the way, they are just desperate to use anything they can in hopes that people will buy their overpriced toys which still has that outdated sound.
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