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@geshscale6068
HHO production is slow and you need specialized tanks to store HHO. Hydrogen only has one benefit at this point, its energy density, other than this its only drawbacks.
No idea why people keep mentioning refueling times, if you can just plug your EV into wall socket over night, then every single day you will have full "tank" which will be allot more than you will ever need. You might save some time if you are doing 5000km trip, but like, how often do you do something like that? And you still need to do regular stops to stretch your legs, go to bathroom and so on, which is more often than your battery can drive you for. So its none issue in general. And recharge times are increasing and soon we will options to recharge from 20 to 80% in few minutes.
And for refueling stations, again... Its not as simple as just getting electrical cable to the spot... You actually need either actual mini plant to not only generate hydrogen, but to store it. To build stations like that is exponentially more expensive than EV station with exponentially more maintenance required down the road. Hydrogen stations generally are more complex and more expensive than current fuel stations in build and maintenance costs.
Hydrogen can work in specific applications where you need more energy density and you have local access to refueling station. For regular cars, EV's are the way to go and allot more future proofed.
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@PreachingChief
"I'd ask you exactly the same, what is the issue here?"
Issue is with people attacking others for no good reason.
"I'm not attacking him as a person or his character itself. "
You are, you literally said that due to his woke bullshit you cant trust what he says, that's LITERRALY adhominem.
"but if you repeatedly push some virtue signalling nonsense in the hopes not to offend anyone while blatantly denying facts or reality. Why should I ever trust you again?"
Maybe because those are not related? There are many people where I agree on something and disagree on others, while still trusting their general word. Just because you disagree on one thing, doesn't make this person not trustworthy.
"I'm not even bothered to watch the video, because I don't trust him to be any form of an authority figure anymore."
He is not authority figure, he simply states facts in this video, you should always fact check if you are not sure if said things are actually correct. In this video Nye is factually correct, simple as that, what his opinion is about woke bullshit is irrelevant here.
But the fact that you dint even watched video and yet you want to complain and discredit what Nye said is just silly at best... You dont even know what you disagreeing about with Nye here, are you here just to complain about Nye just because he is part of this video? Complaining for sake of complaining?
"Go be triggered and cry somewhere else."
Well someone is projecting himself here. You literally got triggered by Nye being part of video you never watched and keep crying about it. Are you ok?
But like seriously, I could bet we both would agree that Nye position on woke bullshit is just bullshit, we both would agree that earth is a globe, that what Nye said here is factually true, yet you jut crying about Nye here for sake of crying and not because he is wrong in this video. Thats just... Sad.
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@Gottum365
Ironically enough you are complaining about some one calling flat earthers dumb and ignorant while you ended with a comment about NASA and their videos... Some bad news for you here, first of all, NASA is 100% irrelevant to the shape of earth, second, there are dozens of space agencies across entire world and not only NASA, third, i can bet you will fail to present a method how you determined that photo/video X is fake and photo/video Y is not.
To make as simple argument here for earth being a globe will give you really simple example: sun. You have 4 things about it which matches globe model 100% and doesn't match flat one entirely.
1. Moves at constant speed (yes, earth rotates and sun doesn't really move across the sky, but you get the point here)
2. Doesn't change perceived size across the day
3. Moves in a straight line
4. Sunset/sunrise
All 4 things are basic observations anyone can perform from their backyard with 1 buck solar filer and some spare time, doesn't even require any math, simple basic observation with rudimentary knowledge of geometry.
Forget NASA, forget any information provided by anyone, address this basic observation anyone can do and if you can actually explain ALL 4 of those and how could this be possible on a flat earth, then we can move to more complex things.
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@yestervue4697
"you can track nearly anything you put your mind and attention to"
Well yea, you could, but then there is all this legal side of your actions...
"It takes the dedication of an investigative journalist"
Being a journalist doesn't make you correct by default.
"But the worst thing in the world to do is just accept blindly what you are told without ever questioning things."
I have said this exact thing to flat earthers over and over again... So we agree on this one.
"Show me where researching that is illegal?"
You want to claim that Johny gets funding from government, do you seriously want to claim that this funding is public? If its public then you should be able to present evidence for it without any trouble. Another option would be that its not a public information, which means you used some methods to get this private information which would be, most likely, illegal. And third option would be that you are full of shit and Johnny is not funded by government and you simply - just accept blindly what you are told without ever questioning things.
"I have been doing investigative journalism for years"
You seam to be terrible at getting correct answer tho, so sad to say this, but you wasted years of your time on a thing you are bad at... Get new hobby.
"I am well versed in my "arguments'...sorry"
Atleast you put it into quotation marks. Those are not arguments, those are empty baseless assertions.
" I am over a half-century old..."
Congrats...
"here I am free never arrested or charged..."
Congrats?... I mean, you can get away with murder if you smart enough... Does that change anything?...
"How do you think people make these channels?"
Simply: Create account, post a video and you are done. have you ever investigated what it takes to create one?
All this is quite out of topic, as you cant prove that Johnny lied here or that he is a fraud, that claim got dismissed. But like seriously, are you one of those who thinks that earth is flat or that it is normal shaped, spherical?
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Tesla Cybertruck - isn't released yet, so yes, you can't buy one, duh...
Tesla Semi - some companies have received quite few of those already, so you can buy it, you just have to wait in line.
Tesla Roadster - isn't released yet, so yes, you can't buy one, duh...
Tesla Robotaxis - isn't released yet, so yes, so you won't be able to find one, duh...
Hyperloop - Why not?
Starlink - Then why it has 1.5million customers and that number isint slowing down and is mainly restricted by produced starlink dish count?
Starship - Why? Because its still in development?... Reusable rocket which can get crap tone of payload into orbit is extremely useful... Its like the holy grail for entire space industry...
SpaceX sending billionaires on moon holidays - Why not? Like present logical reason why this can't happen...
Twitter - can't really comment on this one as I have not followed on what's going on with it and don't really care about it. Its still his private purchase and he can do with it whatever he want's. Tho, from when do you need to pay to use Twitter? Are you talking about that blue check mark or whatever it is now? Does that stop you from using it?
Do you have any actual valid argument here or are you just here to complain for the sake of complaining?
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"Well, first of all, kids are brainwashed and indoctrinated in schools."
Maybe if you are in religious school.
"Third, all of you who see this comment have never been to the moon yet you sit there and criticize flat earther's belief."
By this logic Australia is not real because you never been there... You dont need to go to moon to know that earth is spherical...
"You too believe Nasa has been to the moon"
No reason not to believe and NASA is 100% irrelevant to this topic anyways.
"You too believe the earth is a sphere"
Yes, because its a provable fact from reality which can be done by anyone with IQ above average.
"You too BELIEVE everything you have BEEN TOLD is real"
No, I don't. But thanks for creating this dishonest straw man.
"You too have believe in just another BELIEF but that doesn't make it a fact"
Correct, evidence can make it a fact, this is why earth being a globe is a fact and not some random belief.
"Know your facts from beliefs."
Correct, this is why flat earth claim gets dismissed entirely as it nots supported by evidence or facts or basic logic.
"Lastly, you do not know more than the same person who believe the earth is flat."
This is definitely false. I'm yet to meet flat earther who understands basic geometry. I would like to see research in how smart flat earthers are, but from what i have seen, not that much... So no, they are not on same level and I know allot more than they do.
"You think you do because you are part of the mass and the mass believe the same thing"
No, i know that earth is a sphere independent how many believes that.
" So you are confident the earth is a sphere even though you have never been to the moon"
So you are confident Australia is real even though you have never been there
"You are just another sheep and too stubborn to accept someone's else belief"
Stupid beliefs should not be accepted, unless you want to be stupid, but that would be stupid by itself, so you would have achieved your goal already.
"Your belief is right and others are wrong"
Yes, when you can demonstrate that you are correct, then you are correct and person with opposite claim will be wrong. Welcome to reality.
"And when a flat earther gives his opinion about the shape of the earth, you laugh and call him stupid."
Because he is. If you have stupid opinion, then its just stupid. How would you react if i said that earth is in shape of unicorn because my drawing book said so? Would that be smartest thing you ever heard? How would you react to claim like that?
"Oh wait, that is too much work and NASA is already doing that for you and televising for the sheep."
You do know that each trip to moon (man made) costs over one billion bucks? Do you seriously expect a bus to moon for simpletons like you just to show that earth is not a flat pancake? You already cry that NASA gets to much money, yet you cry when you cant go to moon...
And just FYI, earth shape can be confirmed from your backyard with like 1 dollar solar filter and some spare time. Due to this fact, all of your childish objections are just childish, at best. But in general, those are just stupid. And before you get insulted, check definition of "stupid".
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@ST8URCASE
You still failing to see bigger picture here... If you had a flat earther who lives alone in woods and never interacts with anyone else, nobody will care, no one. Issue is that people live in societies and your beliefs will effect your actions. Having conspiratory beliefs will more likely lead you to another ones. After all, flat earthers already proved to have broken method in determining what is the correct answer and which source they should trust. One conspiracy can lead to another one and on and on and on. Issue is not with their beliefs, issue is with what they will do with those. After all, antivaxers is an issue, flat earthers is smaller issue, but still an issue, its basic failure of education system and leaving it like this will not get you anywhere.
have you seen facebook or twitter or any other social media platform where people will post some random false statements which will create hate towards particular group just because people who read those posts never fact checked? yes those, those are the same category of people like flat earthers, never fact checking basic reality and believing anything they see on internet just because some one said so. This needs to be fixed.
And to end this, you seam to be part of the issue... You only see what's in front of your nose, which is fine for short term, but will cause quite a few issues in long one. But well, you do you.
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"my comments have been deleted, why?"
To many links and looks more like a spam or advertisement then actual comment?
"Why didn't science teach that it wobbles from the beginning?"
Learn to walk before you try to run.
" the earth curvature for 1 mile is 0.666(9) ft."
That produces parabola and not spherical one... Might work for short distances, but its just that... And it doesn't even include observers altitude or object altitude or its size or something. Well, basically, useless number.
"JPL was created by Jack Parsons who was a known occultist, who practiced sex magick in the deserts."
Its called: Ad hominem attack logical fallacy
"Nikolas Tesla once said"
And bob from apartment 3a once said: Flat earthers are full of crap.
Who should we believe?
"Speaking of the moon, it is now in our earths atmosphere according to contemporary science"
It its, speaking loosely. There are no defined boundaries for earths atmosphere to simply end. As some atmospheric particles from earth have been found beyond moon it was determined that there are some of those dragging along, in general, its a vacuum, on general scale, its a perfect vacuum, but there are still some particles from earths atmosphere due to gravity and shit.
Doesn't really change anything... Sun could be in earths "atmosphere", earth would still be a globe...
"It takes great faith to believe nothing created everything"
Who believes that? You?
" to believe a loving Creator"
That guy who kills for shits and giggles?
"This is not an argument"
We know... This is why no one takes you seriously.
"I have chosen to believe the Biblical narrative."
And you just, ironically, said this "Most of this world have chosen to believe the occultic explanation of their reality" och that sweet sweet irony with flat earthers and theists...
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@cheelong72
"any explanation but rather ridicule the ideas and facts mentioned."
Its not a fact if its only your opinion.
"So I won't be taking you seriously."
Nether i'm taking you seriously, so all good.
"You also forgot to ridicule the fact that all the mainstream scientists being occultsts"
Sometimes i tend to skip extremely batshit crazy things, maybe i should not... But thanks for your opinion.
"And the fact that NASA was created by more occultists."
Even if that was true, which is not, earth would still be a globe as NASA is 100% irrelevant here.
"Obviously you haven't even opened the Bible to read it."
Have you? By bible alone god killed over 2million people, not because he needed, but because he could. Lets takes basic story about global flood, which dint even happen, god supposedly killed everyone on planet instead of simply ether killing only humans or simply changing bad people into good ones because he has this power, so he killed for shits and giggles. Was was the point in killing everyone if there is no one to tell the story that it happen besides some random one single family?
"And you regurgitate gossip you've heard that you want to believe"
Well one of us is clearly speaks from personal experience here.
"My conclusion is you act exactly as Satan has programmed you"
And you just said "And you regurgitate gossip you've heard that you want to believe" och that irony...
"You have been initiated into an occultic belief system but are not intelligent enough to know that you have been nor manly enough to accept it."
Now read this and try to realize that this applies to you.
"it seem you don't even know who Nikolas Tesla is."
I know who he was, I don't give a fuck what he said. Its basic argument from authority fallacy.
"He is the man who invented almost everything you use today"
That's false. Did he invented smartphones? Nope. Did he invented my car? Nope. Did he invented PC? Nope... I have quite a long list he dint invented, so you clearly are wrong here. But even if he was this magical man who invented 100% of everything i use, so what? Doesn't change anything.
"So he is not just an average Bob the flat earther living next door."
His word is worth same as Bob's, some ones personal opinion is just opinion independent how smart or how many things they invented. You would known this if you ever invested time in logical fallacies...
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@Riptions
"Obviously the earth is not perfectly flat. Mountains, hills, and valleys exist. "
No one even talks about mountains, hills or valleys as being part of earths actual shape...
"And of course its just a coincidence that the sun and moon appear to be the same size even though the sun is suppposed to be 400 times bigger than the moon. "
First of all, its kind of is, second, its not perfectly 400 times bigger, distance between sun and earth changes, so relative size changes too. But like, what the hell does this have todo with anything?
"You could even say its an amazingly astounding coincidence with a probably about as close to zero % as you can get."
Actually its not, there is specific range of moons size you could have for specific size of planet and there is specific range where livable (Goldilocks Zone) can be, so its not that special to have this particular sized moon. On top of this, close to zero isint zero. Still no idea what this has todo with anything here.
"As it moves further away, your perspective brings the viewable altitude all the way down to zero wear it will dissapear from site"
Thats not how reality works... You just parroting generic flat earther nonsense here. Objects above flat plain will always remain above it, you cant have sun being hidden half way over horizon on a flat earth, its simply not possible.
"Your just assuming that the sun is so bright and massive that its light would be ever present over any portion of a mostly flat earth"
Why not? I can use telescope to see candle light miles away, who is your magical sun stops its light at some point? On top of this, why the hell can you see stars which are behind sun is light magically stops at some distance?
"But the earth is very vast and the sun does not light up the entire earth."
This is just stupid... Sorry, but it is. Its not the point that your light could not light up entire surface equally, point is that if earth was flat then you should be able to see sun 24/7 with different intensities of light coming from it. Have you ever seen a light bulb?...
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@leoa4c
Actual valid arguments are actually valid ones... You presented some weird personal opinions at best. Like take your first one about Cybertruck. Its not actually released yet, so you can't buy it... Yet... It should be out at the end of the year, so then you will be able to buy it... So like... So you have any actually valid points here because your first one fails miserably...
I don't believe him just because he said so, he made bunch of stupid claims which are actually valid ones. But at this point his worse "crime" is not getting time frames correctly... Yet he still delivers sooner or later.
And for hyperloop, it is technically possible to be built, it's not really a good idea to do it due to its complexity and surrounding technical challenges with such little benefits. So that statement that it would never to be built is weird. Heck, you could use hyperloop on mars, you know, that place without any atmosphere, so you can save quite a bit on technical challenges by not having a need to create vacuum in a tube. Or do it on moon if there will ever gonna be few moon bases.
So again, do you have any actual valid points or are you just jumping on bandwagon of Elon hatters for the sake of it?
Side thing, just noticed that I have zero notifications about replies from this video/channel, accidentally stumbled upon this reply... Did TF shadow banned me or something? Where is my tin foil hat...
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"It is also based upon naturalistic assumptions"
Maybe because there is no such thing as none naturalistic thing?... Every single time we investigate something its ALWAYS ends up with naturalistic explanation based on naturalistic evidence, it never ended up with god and wizards.
"Clearly you've failed miserably to think critically about the implications of your own faith!"
i dont have faith, so avoid being so dishonest in the future assuming something you dont know.
"Look, do you have some kind of empirical science to present in support of your Darwinian position or don't you?"
Its not Darwinian position, its evolution... You are stuck on this Darwin thing, if you really like him, go for it, you do you, but why you keep inserting his name here i have no idea.
"Or is your own "science" an appeal to a made up percentage of "scientists"?"
Its not made up, its a result of scientific research. Do you seriously trying to make a claim that majority of scientists dont accept evolution? Feel free to claim that, but you will need more than your personal opinion here.
"Dude, please, you demonstrate your own ignorance while pretending to talk about the ignorance of others while you invent nonsense"
Go to google and enter "how many scientists accept evolution" and you will get more than enough links with sources indicating that i'm correct and you are full of shit. Would post direct link here but youtube likes to remove comments with links in them from time to time, but i think you are big boy and you can do it yourself.
"And I don't believe in wizards or magic"
Do you believe in god? If yes then you believe in wizards and magic. Simple as that. So are you theist?
" Or was that just your "attempt to make fun" of my position?"
Ridiculous ideas can be ridiculed.
"Yeah, you're a genius alright!"
Not really genius, but smartest people on earth do agree with me.
"And obviously, neither can you!"
I can and i did, tho i don't have blind, deaf, and dumb faith. Avoid projecting your own position on others.
"Now, if you would like to actually try and defend your position and prove me wrong..."
Prove you wrong on what exactly? You need to come up with actual sound and valid argument here. Should I educate you on evolution? Big Bang? Abiogenesis? Which area are you ignorant in?
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@lilymaul3880
So mush ignorance in one comment... Should i dare to address all of it?...
"The Government never lies!"
Government is made of people, people lie, doesn't mean government always lie. The fact that we are not talking about one individual here but about thousands which constantly changes should indicate how poor your argument is relating to government in general. US government failed to hide something relating to sex... You know that story... Which involved like 2 people... Yet it can hide something what literally involves millions of people across entire world... Riiiiiiight, sounds legit.
Skipping bunch of random nonsensical statements.
"Just like we obviously landed on the moon because NASA said we did"
You do know that we left shit over there? Like light reflectors which can and are used to measure exact distance from moon to earth?
"they are an extension of Government so they would never fake anything "
Why would they?
"we never ever used that technology or tried to attempt it again in 70 years!!!"
We landed on moon 12 times. Atleast when it comes to maned ones. Each trip costs over one billion bucks. ONE BILLION. Its with a B. Moon is a dry rock in space, we went there, investigated, found nothing, so why would we waste extra billions by going back there? And on top of this... We have probes, we can send rovers over there with fraction of the cost and with same results.
And on top of that, we are going back to moon soon enough, so you can scream at 4k 60fps video from moon that is fake or some stupid like that.
So yea, you wrote allot, said nothing. And most importantly dint answered to original question: Why is everyone lying about the shape of the Earth?
You failed with one thing you should have done... Cant say i'm surprised.
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"Freemasons aren't smart, they are good liars, just because they came up with equations doesn't mean they were right."
Correct, this is why earth is still a globe even if you have some one saying that their equations show otherwise. Like that nonsensical 8 inches per mile shit which is completely wrong and doesnt even include observers altitude into it... Yet you have flat earthers using it as proof that earth is not globe... So yea, i agree with you, tho its on different basis then you wanted.
"You're trusting the theories of man over the prophetically proven word of God,"
? You do realize that you are using ancient book written by man to go against today's proven scientific facts from reality? isint that ironic?
"psueduoscience isn't science"
True, this is why flat earth claim never got accepted into science, because its not science based claim.
"They may dress it up fancy so you think you can't ever understand it, it's not science, it's a big dupe. You're all going to wake up in this life or the next"
Its like you talk about flat earthers even tho you tried to apply that to normal people... Ironic, i know...
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@prestonweitersjr.9460
"One didn't travel very far, quickly then"
Might there be a reason for that?... Like lack of option to do so?...
" we're cleaner, faster, more efficient than ever before"
Not when it comes to ICE cars, those dint improved that much over the years.
" Wanna go back to those days, you go ahead..."
he literally going for progress while you want to say with ancient technology.
"where's all this electric power coming from?"
Power plants?... Are you one of those whose main argument would be that some electricity is from coal plants? Some bad news for you, coal plants are being taken out on rapid pace, replaced with cleaner solutions, but even then, when you check actual pollution car produces over its entire life span ICE cars looses badly, you cant win this argument.
Welcome to reality and its time to ditch your ICE car religion.
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@konfunable
You still failed to present those more serious flaws. While Tesla nearly going bankrupt isint even remotely related to car quality. They have no issues selling cars and money issue wasn't related to car quality, so no idea why you even mentioned that.
For Europe sales, first of all, Tesla currently doesn't even have factory in Europe, so importing cars adds big chunk to cars price which lowers amount who would decide to buy one. Second thing, i have no idea from which place you got this idea what VW sells more cars in Europe...
1. Tesla Model 3 - 100,993
2. Volkswagen ID.3 - 53,037
3. Renault ZOE - 45,694
4. Volkswagen ID.4 - 38,305
This is cars sold in europe only, even if you add both models from VW its still loosing against Tesla single model. Not even mentioning that VW is European car company... And not even mentioning that Tesla car produce enough cars to sell for those who want one...
So if you want to be Tesla hater for sake of hating it, atleast bring in some basic facts to support your claims.
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So what you are saying is that ONE's scientists word overrules rest of them just because he said so?... Evolution is a fact, heck, even you just now admitted that evolution is a fact by saying that all humans have only 2 ancestors while we have wide range of humans on earth. All those races, all those different body builds, the fact that I'm lactose intolerant and majority of people are not, is the thing we call "evolution" which you want to deny for some weird reason.
And yes, every human shares same common ancestor's, as a group of them and not only 2, there is a thing called "viable minimal population" and for humans it's around 500. So no, it's not Adam and Eve, otherwise we would not have existed due to enormous incest it would have been which would have causes DNA degradation really quickly.
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@a_mustache_of_great_repute
Differently then religion science will not make 100% certainty claims, this is why in general you will have label as "Theory of gravity" and not "fact of gravity", that doesn't change the fact that this theory represents reality in best possible way. And evolution is a fact and a theory at same time. Earth is a globe, factually.
And as you like to go by definitions, then, definition for fact is: a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Scientific theories in most cases have been proven to be true, yes, most, not all, doesn't mean that those which got proven are not factual while still being called a theory.
And to make it even more clear, there is no possibility for evolution to be false because that one was proven to be a fact.
So yea... No idea why you tried to lower science and what you tried to achieve here, but well, you failed. Care to explain why you tried to do that?
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@a_mustache_of_great_repute
"I'm not trying to knock science down, I'm trying to lift it back up"
Science doesn't need a lift up, it never was as high as it is right now...
"We don't even KNOW what's at the bottom of the ocean or the core of our own planet, but we try to say we know what's in space?"
Yes?... And we do know what is the core of our planet and we do have quiet good idea what is on bottom of our oceans. Space in comparison to those two is easy to check, atleast if you are talking about space and not the entire universe...
"Its silly on the face of it, not to seek the answers, but to claim to have them. "
? So by your logic you cant even say that you have answers? So you basically saying that you know nothing?
"You think I'm attacking science and I'm just not"
i have no idea what your point here is in general as you are all over the place.
"All I'm saying is, when a scientist says a black hole is a point of super density, i say "could be". And as someone who loves science i don't understand how it can be anything except "could be". "
Ether you have no idea what science is or you seriously have no idea that argument from authority is a fallacy... Even if you can find scientist who says that black hole is super density, that doesn't mean that science as a whole says that. And your personal opinion that it could be, well, cool, you have your opinion, but that super density is actually supported by evidence and not some fuzzy feelings in your balls.
"Granted, i do have my doubts about macroevolution"
So another thing you have no knowledge about then, evolution. Micro and macro evolution have only ONE difference: time scale. To put it in analogy, micro is one second and macro is one year. So for you to say that seconds exist but it will never end up as a year is just silly and ignorant, at best.
"No stages with half formed limbs on their way in or out"
personal ignorance is not evidence for anything. Mudskipper, fish which can live on land and "walk" on its fins. You literally have transitional form which is alive today and you complain that you can see any on fossil records... C'mon...
"I'm saying i have enough doubt that i can't call it fact"
And? Reality is not driven by your personal opinion. You are literally commenting under the video which talks about people who thinks that earth is flat... So its clearly a fact that some ones personal opinion doesn't determine reality.
"as long as their are such massive gaps in the fossil record"
Generic creationist excuse... "Look there is a gap between those 2" we find fossil fitting in that gap "look, there are 2 gaps with missing links"... your personal ignorance is not evidence for anything.
"is why do you insist on being so defensive of scientists when you claim to be defensive of science?"
I'm not defensive towards scientists, as i'm not you i will not go with argument from authority, what i'm advocating here is fact based reality basing your reality on all the evidence we have to day and not simply say "Well i cant understand this so it must be false. That's how we got religions and that's why we had dark ages. Science is best current method in determining what is true or most likely to be true, if you can come up with better method, go for it, until then you have nothing to complain here.
"A scientist should be able to hear "you could be wrong" and say "could be"."
Not on factual reality. Could you be wrong about shape of earth? Could it be concave? Could it be in a shape of unicorn? How many laws of physics you would need to break to get those answers as reality? Is it a fact that earth is globe? Should we be open minded and say "it could be a unicorn"?
"and that I'm attacking science itself when that is plainly not the case"
You are trying to discredit or atleast lower scientific stance by exposing your ignorance on basic things, nothing more.
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@chris73brown
"Basic observation of the sun shows goes from one end to the other over flat land"
Will list 4 things about sun which matches 100% to globe model and missmatch 100% flat one:
1. Sun moves at constant speed. I know that sun isint moving, but earth rotates, but you got idea. Due to flat earth model sun should get closer until noon, so perceived speed should change, but its not
2. Sun doesnt change perceived size. On flat earth model sun gets closer until noon and further away after that, so on flat earth model it should change size.
3. Sun moves in a straight line. On flat earth model sun circles around, which is not what we observe in reality.
4. Sunset/sunrise. On flat earth model sun always remains above surface which would prevent it from ever going under the horizon.
Those are 4 basic things about sun which disproves flat earth. Not even talking about dozens of others things, with actual calculations and tests. But this is my go to due to its simplicity, but well, as flat earthers has 0 understand how geometry works, even this flies over their heads.
" Take note: U came back ruding me after l was just giving a summary from both sides and not ruding noone so...
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Like I said, you personal ignorance isint evidence for anything. Just because you cant understand why earth is a globe and trying to place both sides on same level, will not make it so. Flat earth claim is just empty assertion, globe is proven fact. Those cant be compared by any reasonable person.
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@chrisross4898
"Have you noticed how you can talk of only fiction characters."
Like god?
"Enoch was no fiction character."
Who cares? If you will have some generic human spiting out some random stuff, who cares?
"He walk with God"
Fictional character?
"Enoch walked with God"
Say who? Enoch? So if i say that i walked with Harry Potter, does that mean i did?
"In the book of enoch, there are portals that the sun and moon go thru, read it for yourself . "
As much i would like to read some fantasy books, that one doesn't seam to be attractive...
"the reason why the us education system is failing, cuz all the numbers are wrong"
What? What numbers? What?...
"with more science, we as a people are getting dumber."
Nope, with more science we are getting smarter. We have more knowledge then ever before, people in schools learn more and more complex things then ever before, atleast in normal countries.
"Science and video is so far gone, people cant tell the difference between reality and fiction."
This is why we still have religions and people talking about gods...
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"why is God fiction?"
Definition of fiction: literature in the form of prose, especially novels, that describes imaginary events and people.
AS you have your book talking about some imaginary events and people, its a fiction. God is as real as harry potter, yet you would straight away say that this one is fiction, while both are written by man about some wizards with some real places and real events mixed in them and supported by same amount of evidence: none.
Why is that?
"In every story of the earth, it talks of a flood."
Correct... Annual flood is a thing... You know that time of the year when snow melts and you get a flood?... Yea... That type...
"Everyone knows this story. How are they fiction? Cuz you say so?"
Knows what? That flood happens on regular basis? Well that part is not a fictional, its natural thing quite a big part of the world experiencing every single year...
"You and scientists are always making shit up!!!"
Yea, we and those smart bastards... What could they know... Pfff... Its not like they are the smart ones here... Pfff.....
"If you unplugg yourself from the matrix, we can build a better world"
I mean, it seams that you are trying to troll here, maybe not, but in any case, its just sad, troll or not, its just sad to see people like you...
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@Peterpan2355
"If gravity pulls everything straight down to the centre of Earth and Earth is a ball then all building CAN NOT be straight"
? In comparison to what? From whose point of view? Every single building you see is leaning from you by certain amount, while 69 miles for one degree lean FROM YOU is literally undetectable without special setup and special gear. You cant even notice 1 degree lean to the side, how the hell do you expect to notice 1 degree lean from you?
Instead of repeating what some one who has no idea what perspective is, create basic 3d model on any 3d software, you can create that to the scale, place couple cubes to simulate buildings and try to notice any lean from the point of some one on spheres surface...
This is what i'm talking about, ether you have no idea what geometry and perspective is or you have some understanding but you blindly repeating some nonsensical claims some one make while never fact checking them.... Which one it is?
"As for My Perspective he does not have an account that you can donate money to like most you tubers."
And how is that relevant to anything? And quite few youtubers gets payment from adds and not from donations. Tho i still have no idea why you even mentioned that.
" Yeah The Sunlight Reflects on the water towards peoples feet, If you can't understand that, what the what from where to when what can you understand?"
i dont understand what you are trying to say here, i have good understanding of perspective, geometry and light reflections.
How is sun reflecting from water is relevant here? What is your point here? Yes, sun light reflects from reflective surfaces... So what?
"If there was 24 hours sunlight in Britain where I live I would not be a flat Earther"
? I just assume that you are an actual troll here. Will stick with my original look at your comment.
Do you seriously made a claim that on sphere sun should be visible 24/7? Do you even know what sphere is? Maybe you are mixing flat and globe models here, because you literally arguing points which apply to opposite models then you say. On flat earth model (while there isint even one actual which doesn't contradict reality) sun should be visible 24/7 and on a globe it should be visible only at some times depending on your latitude
" If I am getting duped by anyone it is you"
And like 98% of humanity... Who could known that smartest people on earth are actually wrong because one person named "perspective" is correct because he said so... Riiiiiiight.
" I would gladly become a globe believer If only I could find one piece of evidence to believe in it"
Sorry, but you will not find that. Not because there is none, there are more then needed. But because you will not understand it. Sorry to say this, but you are too ignorant to have any say about this topic. Face reality, you need to real basic things about reality before you have conversation about anything what is as complex as basic geometry... Yes, basic geometry is to complicated for you... Yet you are here claiming to be correct because reasons... Damn...
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@yestervue4697
So you are flat earther after all... Ok, as we established that thing, you want proof that earth is a globe? Not a problem, tho i will remind you that even if we could not prove that earth is a globe that would NOT prove that earth is a flat.
So, proof, we will start from really simple ones, no math required, no expensive equipment required, no traveling required. 4 thing about sun and its behavior.
1. Sun moves (well, technically earth rotates and not that sun moves, but lets avoid that complication, for now) in a straight line across the sky. This matches 100% to globe and fails 100% on flat one
2. Sun doesn't change perceived size through entire day. This matches 100% to globe and fails 100% on flat one
3. Sun moves at constant speed. This matches 100% to globe and fails 100% on flat one
4. Sunset and sunrise. This matches 100% to globe and fails 100% on flat one
Those are basic 4 observations anyone with a solar filter and some camera can perform from their backyard. None of those real life observations matches any proposed flat earth mode, while matching 100% to a globe one. Why is that? Why cant you even explain basic observations with your magical land claim?
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Texeira Correa
"centrifugal force is always accelerating, its constant acceleration"
? how is this relevant exactly? Centrifugal force created by earths rotation is something like 0.4% So why does it mater exactly?
" it’s in a container and magnets keep the plasma in place or you wouldn’t have that CHAMBER"
Right, just like gravity keeps atmosphere in place... you dint realized that? Don't you now? You have pretty much 1 to 1 comparison here: Plasma in vacuum held by a force in place with atmosphere on earth if held by gravity in place.
"and we’re not talking about plasma being held by magnets above the earth"
i know, but you asked about gas being surrounded by vacuum, yet you failed to understand that vacuum doesn't suck.
" then why is it that the vacuum of “space” doesn’t equalize the “atmosphere” into an equilibrium ?"
gravity?.
"Your saying there is no loss at all?"
there is, tiny portion, due to cosmic winds or something like that, i'm not really familiar with that particular topic, but there is tiny loss of atmosphere.
"If you look it up NASA"
DON'T CARE!
Why do you people think that bringing up NASA would prove/disprove anything? They are irrelevant!
"Lastly I’m just saying it’s more of a claim that you “know” where moving and you don’t feel centrifugal force at all"
And we dont, once again, you cant feel motion, this is FACT, then you have this "ENORMOUS" centrifugal force which is 0.4% of gravity... Tho funny enough you can even test that by weighting something on pole and on equator, it will be lighter on equator.
" I don’t have to prove anything to a keyboard warrior"
Then why the hell do you even made original comment? If you are not interested in defending your ridiculous claim, then why you even started it? i asked for simple proof, one flipping image from your magical 50k collection, yet you failed multiple times to provide it. Which only proves that you dont have any actual evidence, you simply came here to get some attention from people, nothing more.
"I didn’t come here to talk to Zrips unless your the creator of the vid in that case let’s talk, otherwise we can banter."
Its public forum, you make comment on a public forum... What the hell do you expect to see? its like complaining that people looked at you when you went outside to the street and started to scream that earth is flat while this "conversation" was pointed to some specific individual... Damn...
We both know that you dont have any evidence to present here, because if you did had, you already would have presented it. But you are here tap dancing, trying to disprove globe model, complaining that i'm not the right person and all that nonsense... Grow up...
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"plasma ima vacum chamber isn’t held in by gravity it’s electromagnetics"
Correct... Damn... you still failing to understand a point i made... You wanted to claim that gas cant be in vacuum, i provided example where it is because its been held by some force, in this case its electromagnetism, in case of earth we have gravity... Do you still not realize this or what?
"I know vacuums don’t suck"
Then why the hell you said that gas cant be near vacuum if vacuum doesn't suck?
"what I’m saying I just told that earth would lose its atmosphere if it was next to a vacuum without a physical barrier"
GRAVITY?
"hence you telling me it loses its atmosphere lol"
And it does... its not like we loose 5% every year... but it does loose some of it... Whats your problem here exactly?
"We’re do you think it all came from"
are you asking about origins of life on earth? or what?
"if it goes into space sure nuff no atmosphere"
Yea, you have no idea how exactly we loose, dont you now?... And you do realize that we have a way to refill atmosphere? Right? its not like we have defined amount of air...
"It doesn’t make any sense that the large vacuum of space isn’t enough for the air pressure and “gravity” to be equalized"
Why should it? You have GRAVITY which holds atmosphere "stuck" to earth... This prevents from gas equalizing with a vacuum... its basic physics 101 yet i have to explain this to you... Why?
"to be dispersed it quite literally doesn’t even equate to physics"
Riiiight, so every single scientist on the world is wrong because you failed to understand physics?.... Riiiight...
"Look up what happens when open a vacuum chamber what happens?"
Open here? On earth? Where you have huge air pressure? or in space where you have dont have outside pressure and you dont have large enough mass to hold it in place? Its one of those situations where i have to explain people basic physics instead of disproving their claims... Did you skipped school or what?
"SO GIMME PROOF!"
Of what? That earth is spherical? Ok, check out suns behavior, shatters flat earth model (do you even have one?) straight away, not even talking about other 100+ issues. And this is basic observation, no need to understand how vacuum works or believe in gravity, basic understanding of geometry would be enough...
"you need growing up because my message was quite literally put into reference to the author of the video"
if you cant even win argument against some random dude like me, how do you expect to win against some one who made video like this?
"and also can someone explain how I put a screenshot up on YouTube comments for this guy?"
imgur.com decent site where yo can place images for free and get short link to them, no need to create account or log in or anything like that, drag and drop, you get a link, you post it here, as i'm still waiting your BEST image proof that earth is flat...
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12 comments in and you still have no examples from your magical 50k image proof you claimed to have? Whats going on? Did you lied about that? Or you realized that all of those pictures you have are not evidence?
"has can’t be near a vacuum because it’s will meet disperse evenly into the vacuum because there is no physical barrier to stop no air pressure to attract a pressurized system"
One more time: Gravity.
"And second when your talking electromagnetism and then jump into gravity which is a farce I just can’t follow you there"
i know that you cant follow me here, this is why you think that earth is flat... Electromagnetism and gravity are both forces, different ones, but still effect matter in similar way. We even managed to counter gravity by applying electromagnetism on a frog...
"I believe there isn’t any gravity"
Who cares? Gravity is real, testable thing from reality. Cavendish experiment demonstrates that quite nicely.
"it doesn’t exist because it doesn’t exist"
Flat earth doesn't exist because it doesn't exist. There you go, used your logic to debunk your argument entirely. Are we done now?
"Plasma being held in to place by a magnet inside a CONTAINER..."
? Seriously? You are joking?... Right? We have container because we cant have vacuum on a surface of earth without it... We could run fusion reactor in space without container, but that would be terribly impractical and would cost 10000x more to create one and test it... Nah, you must be internet troll... You cant be that ignorant...
"you can’t have 8 inches per miles squared"
Simple question to you: you have this equation, where exactly do i insert observers height? Before 8 inches or after?
"because there is no curve seen on the mirror like floor for 400 miles and sometime farther"
? 400 miles? Please, provide coordinates where you have 400 miles of flat plane... Do you even live on earth?
"the HORIZON if flat"
But its not. Create 3d simulation with accurate scales, test your claim, after you fail, come back and say: i'm sorry, i was wrong.
Earth is HUGE, dont expect to observe curvature on its surface... Atleast not to the sides...
"there is no experiment of a vacuum and air coexisting at all "
Fusion reactor. I told you about this once already... Another example would be... Wait for it... Earth and its atmosphere.
"demons Tatar’s"
What the what now?
"There is no such thing as gravity and there is no such thing as space time"
Gravity is a label on observable fact that objects with mass attract objects with mass. Space can be seen by going outside and looking up. Space time? No idea what this should even mean at this point.
"VERY SPACE OF REALITY BY CURVING FROM MASS?"
What?
"Someone must show me how a vacuum would have no affect on a high pressure system"
Lets test your basic knowledge about reality: Does atmosphere have gradient? Like that thing where if you went up it would become less and less dense? Is this a thing from reality? Because it is, unless you even tan to deny this one, then you are being help. So as we do have gradient of atmosphere, going roughly from 1 atmosphere to... Wait for it... Wait... 0! its not highly pressurised as there is no point where you would have big differences between pressure, its a gradient... GRADIENT. Wait, you do know what gradient is?
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@dragonoftheeast695
I'm saying that you can't have both at same time, just like every single game out there are based on either flat world or a globe, one or the other, you can't have both at same time, its just logical contradiction like having "round square" it just can't exist.
And most games are based on flat surface for simpler calculations, down is just down on Z axis, no need to calculate complicated stuff based on 3D coordinates where it would change based on where you are on the map. It doesn't produce life like results, but its good enough for that purpose, still, its just a flat map. Games which needs full planets simulation, like flight sims or some space games, those would use globe model with more complex calculations, still, its just a globe even if you want on the surface and horizon is being rendered ahead of you.
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@dawidsienczak9821
Issue with hydrogen cars is about its complexity from end to end. There is no pure hydrogen on earth, all the hydrogen needs to be produced, which is expensive process. Then you need to store that hydrogen, which is yet another expensive thing due to so called hydrogen embrittlement which on itself causes a thing where all hydrogen tanks will have expiration dates printed on them, which is around 5 years. And then you need to think about hydrogen transportation as you can't have thousands tiny hydrogen plants inside cities, then storage (again) at the refueling stations, then expensive to build and maintain hydrogen refueling stations, then you fill up to your car which will have to store that hydrogen (again) and only then you can use it...
And no, hydrogen combustion will NEVER be a thing due to the simple fact that hydrogen fuel cell engines are TWICE the efficiency, aka you can travel double the distance with fuel cells in comparison to just burning it directly, not even talking about complexity of entire HICE engine and its maintenance costs.
BEV's at the moment wins across the board, this is why registered hydrogen car numbers dropped in 2023 in comparison to previous year, and this is why BEV's sold numbers still going up on basically exponential curve. At this point BEV's could ONLY be beat if we no longer have lithium to make batteries and we would not have any alternatives, other than this, there is no real chance for hydrogen, especially for regular private passenger cars.
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@dawidsienczak9821
I would definitely be extra happy if hydrogen was actually viable option, but sadly it's not. There is simply soo many complications relating to it that transitioning towards it instead of BEV's makes no sense at this point, like, we have under 1000 hydrogen stations in ENTIRE WORLD, while there are over 3 000 000 BEV's dedicated recharging stations, this excluding the fact that any wall socket could be used to recharge your car, it will be slow, but it can be used.
Where hydrogen fuel cell technology could actually shine is in bigger industries, like busses, trains, ships, semi or even planes, but regular passenger cars it sadly makes zero sense.
Have a nice day!
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@panickingstrumpet6881
Then he is luckiest person on the planet... As he made quite few projects successful. No idea what you are complaining about Twitter here, he is remaking it in his own way, you might like it or not, that's quite irrelevant.
Killing monkeys? I mean, that isn't good, but we are talking about technology which should tap directly into humans brains... So while doing extensive testing it might result in some casualties. It always have been with animal trials and it always will be. If it was 100% safe then there wont be any need to perform animal trials and they could move straight to humans... And it's again, its somehow only bad when Musk company does it, but when you have thousands of other companies doing same or allot worse things, then it's just brushed away as a casual thing.
Kessler Syndrome might or might not happen, but starlink satellites will be deorbited at the end of their life cycle. Is this possible issue? Yes. Would it be better to not have thousands of extra satellites in earths orbit? Yes. But this doesn't change the fact that we need those satellites to provide internet coverage for entire planet. 50% of humans still have no access to it, so we can't move forwards without bringing all humanity as a whole.
Every single technology has its own bad sides, you just need to check which is the worse, to have it or to not have it.
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@lyvinlyphe9644
"Respond all you want, I won’t bother to comment back"
Trying to scream that you are correct and then run away like a child? Nice...
"I’ve done more of my fair share of back and forth with people like you."
So does that mean that your personal experience of being put down into place got to you and now you want to avoid that by running away? And just for the record, it was you who made original comment, so you came here looking for a reply, you got it, now own it.
"Science’s single most important goal is to remove a creator from your mind,"
That's false. Science goal is to determine reality, if we cant find god in reality its not a fault of science, its fault of your empty god claim.
" along with being one of the biggest money making schemes in global history"
Then don't support it, go and live in a cave naked, why are you using scientific tools to make such silly comment and complain out tools you use? Dont like it, dont use it. Lets see if your god will give you better ones.
FYI Biggest money scheme is a religion, you might want to fact check how much its making while not even paying taxes.
"With an infinite number of galaxies"
Who said this? Who said that there are infinite number of galaxies? Did you counted them?...
"and all that mumbo jumbo, you feel fairly small and insignificant don’t you? "
Yes, on grand scale you are nothing. I know that you dont like that feeling and you want to feel special, but sorry, this is reality, not America, you are not special, you are who you are.
"You don’t matter and were created out of pure randomness and coincidence. "
Who said that we are created? Are you trying to smuggle in creator?
And dint your god supposedly created us from nothing when he got bored existing outside space and time?
"That’s what your science tells you."
That's what reality tells us, its not our problem if you dont like reality.
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Jeremy Guglielmo
"does say that creation is made from invisible elements (atoms)"
Atom alone is not visible, but put them together and you can see them with naked eyes. And then again, we did invented ways to see atoms. So no, atoms are not invisible, they are not visible by naked eye, but they are visible in general... So first thing which is false.
"says blood is the source of life and health"
Which should be known by cave man... Poke some one with a stick and if he blead's out, he dies.... Its like saying that bible presents scientific fact when it says that there is a sun... Its like basic fundamental fact from reality which only requires basic observation of reality...
" says the Earth is in free float of space"
But its not... Earth is not suspended, it rotate around itself, then around sun and then around galaxy center and then galaxy who knows where it goes... We are not suspended...
And space is not empty space, it still have particles.
"he suspends the earth over nothing"
Over nothing? Nothing is nothing, you cant suspend anything over nothing... And earth is in space which is surrounded by space and not suspended over nothing...
"says air has weight"
But its not... It talks about force of wind, not about weight of air... Again, this is basic observation from reality...
"says that light moves"
Which part of that verse says that light moves? Which one? Because it only talks about darkness residing, which can simply mean that they wanted to say that after sun goes away, darkness comes or vice versa... It doesnt say that light is a thing which actually moves throw space on specific speed...
"says the Earth is a sphere"
For your god's sake... Learn what word "circle" means before you scream out that its sphere... Will help you out here. Definition of circle: a round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the centre). Aka flat disk.
"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "
"Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) "
""He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)""
""He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)""
""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)""
""that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)""
""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)""
And it says that earth is flat pancake... Read your damn book before you comment.
"it's says that the Bible doesn't say anything about science anywhere"
And its accurate. presenting false claims and basic observations from reality is not a scientific information in any shape or form...
"Remember, the Bible was written at least a couple thousand years ago"
We know, this is why its fundamentally incorrect about reality.
" Don't just take anyone's word because they sound smart. Do your own research."
We did, now its your turn.
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@10697018
"then why can't anyone ever prove it?"
It was proven, 97% of scientists accepts that. Smartest people on earth accepts that. People with IQ above average accepts that... Just because you dont like something, doesnt make it false. Evolution, aka change in gene pool over time, is a proven fact. You can try adapt this reality to your story, but you cant deny facts.
"You can say it is a fact all day long but without proof, you are just grasping at straws"
Do i seriously need to educate you on something you should have learned in middle school?
"We have proof of creation"
Cool, prove that proof of creation. Because you know: You can say it is a fact all day long but without proof, you are just grasping at straws
"In fact, Kent Hovind will give you $250,000 if you can actually prove it."
No he is not. Because that would already happened by quite few people who would gladly take this challenge and humiliate Kent. Where is this official statement from Kent that he will give 250k for some one who proves evolution? Because i know couple names who will gladly take this challenge... Spare money is a nice thing to have...
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@mickeywicked478
Sort comments by "Newest first" scroll little bit down and you have example as
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INSANE DISAPPEARANCES!!!!
I can’t believe people think we have a molten core 😂"
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Alex Bereczki
How can you know for sure that it is round ?"
or
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Djss The One
Oh.... I just laugh on both side.... We dont have clue about anything.... We only know what they alow us... We only know what they teach us in school.... Dont bother about this , live life with family, ITS actual so short
Cheers."
or
"Outcast Outdoors - On a Fishin' Mission
When government lives off of you like a parasite, why would you believe anything they say?"
Tho i can agree, in general this video does have quite a few flatearthers commenting on. Interesting.
"My point is that if flat earth isn't as rampant as the "debunker" videos will have one believe, then why is there such a campaign against it??"
Because people like nice good laugh? You can find videos about debunking pixie existence... Doesn't mean claim that pixies are real have any solid ground...
"But, please, tell me more about these "normal people" who are dedicating their lives to the campaign.."
Normal are those who can determine shape of earth by basic observation of sun, no math is involved, no government is involved, just plain basic observation from actual reality. Its not a campaign, just a hobby and in some cases people make videos about it because it gets some attraction and makes money for them, its a fun topic in some weird sense.
What is your entire point here? What difference does it make if there was 0 or 1 billion comments from flat earthers? Would amount of comments make it less false?
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@reportercrusher2411
"especially if it’s not from earth"
What difference does it make? If i show you 2 images of a tree, how would you determine that photo X is real or fake? How would you determine that photo Y is real or fake?
"I don’t know how images wil turnout from the moon ... nobody knew , at that time"
Its basic photography... Exposure time... Try taking picture at night of stars while having bright object in view, like a moon... You simply can't take photos like that. You could do it in multiple passes, like taking photo of moon, then covering it up and taking photo of stars and then super expose one on another with some software, image will not be fake, it will be photoshoped, but it will represent reality.
"Photoshop and animation is for the untrained eye very difficult if not impossible but I still believe there is not shared knowledge about this subject. "
? First images of earth have been done in 1946, photoshop invented 1987... There is huge gap between those dates... When first photo was taken such expression as "CGI" was not even existent, as at that time computers have been as smart as calculator in a dollar store... Tho at that time, computers took couple rooms in size and required multiple people to insert equations into it for processing...
Photo realistic rendering have been possible only in last couple years, not 74 years back...
"I’m not a it-specialist"
I'm.
"But when I have the images in my hands then I can see if they are messed with. "
How? I still want to know what method you are actually using to determine that.
"that said I don’t know how it works in space with the absence of earths conditions"
In same way as it works on earth... Physics doesn't stop working just because you are in vacuum. And you can even get better/sharper looking photos due to lack of atmosphere which usually creates blurriness due to particles in air.
"So show me video then ...."
Of what? Earth? Space? ISS? I mean, you have dozens, hundreds, maybe even thousands of videos on youtube alone which are from space. Pick any official video and debunk it... You can go and google out original photo "blue marble" which is one shot image of earth and debunk that... As it should be simpler to debunk one image then entire video.
If you honestly want to know the truth, but you cant even debunk ONE official video/photo from space, what does it say about your investigative capabilities? Do you reject globe model/space/moon landing just because its official stance and you want to be special one? Do you have evidence for anything?
"I am not satisfied with the official narrative and therefore asking questions.... "
Cool, ask questions, but don't assume that you are even close to truth if you simply want to reject official narrative just because you don't like it or you failed to understand it. Pick on single topic/image/video and lets dissect it.
Because now it simply looks that you want to be different from others for sake of being different and not for sake of being correct.
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@Knowledge01
"You left that question COMPLETELY unanswered"
Because your question is silly at best...
Intellect is defined as: the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract matters.
I think we both have this capability, dont we now? So we both have intellect... The fact that i'm responding to your messages demonstrates that I have intellect... So your question was and still is silly. So why bother answering to silly questions?
"MY ANSWER: No it does not satisfy me, because I asked if you 👉👉SAW👈👈or can produce 👉👉YOUR👈👈 own personal intellect that you possess."
Och sorry, then I guess there isint AI which can beat MY intellect. My bad, was only thinking about YOUR intellect here.
"I'm not asking you about A.I. "
You are asking about intellect, and AI is... Well.... Artificial INTELLIGENCE... It's like... In its... Name... Intelligence and intellect are interrelated, so my example of AI is valid. Big brain time!!!
"You saw your own intellect or can produce it for us physically?"
Its not that intelligent question... Its like asking "Did you saw number 2 as a physical object?" Number 2 isint a thing you can actually see, its a label for something what is none physical. Intellect isn't a physical thing on itself you could see in brain scans... This is why I keep bringing back your failure to understand that brain scans dont show your intellect...
" let us safely and correctly assert"
Don't assert, you intellectual capabilities will lead you to most likely wrong answer here.
"your answer is an embarrassing NO. "
Its not embarrassing. It was your claim that you should see intelect in brain scans... Do you seriously think that you can see intelect in brain scans? Because I will safely and correctly assert that you do, which would be embarrassing thing for you to claim. Right?
" Fear GOD"
Which one? We had like 50 000 god claims over human history, you need to be more specific here... Which imaginary friend of yours should I fear?
"I asked you straight forward questions"
Not intellectual questions, so response reflects question, I guess. Tho my response was more intellectual than your question, so I guess I'm wrong here.
"you cannot mask your ignorance"
Says someone who believes in sky wizards because his book said so... C'mon...
"and if they're too silly to answer, why even respond in the first place?"
Because its fun.
"Sounds like powerful intellect to me! "
Thanks!
"That's what atheism does for you."
I know right! We wont be fooled that easily in believing someone's imaginary friend just because he said "Fear god"... Pfff, we are better than this!
"You didn't take a hint from everyone else who stayed silent"
Or no one gives a f**k what you are saying? What would be the difference? I'm here just for fun distraction, but most people wont bother responding to some none intelectual comments.
"and now they want to see how bad I would have made them look if they tried what you are trying!"
You tried, but trying isn't the same as succeeding.
"ANSWER: PlZ."
To what? You posted my comment and asking for answer?...
Will try to ask. Do brain scans show your intellect?
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@jessebryant9233
Will try to explain some things here as clear as possible:
Big Bang: Currently best explanation for origins of this local universe based on all current evidence and contradicted by none of those. This can still be changed if new evidence comes along, but for time being its the best one we have.
Abiogenesis: Is not an answered question, yet. But due to multiple experiments we know that life can originate from none life material on its own without intervention of some wizard. This doesn't answer to the question how life originated on earth but atleast we know that it could have happen naturally.
Darwinian mythology: What you wanted to say here was "Evolution". What Darwin said is completely irrelevant here, unless you want to address specifically Darwin's words, then we could agree that Darwin was wrong on multiple things, but that's not evolution. If you wanted to talk about evolution, well, that one is a fact, theory and a fact at same time. Strange, isint it?
Science is complex, reality is even more complex, so don't expect simple answers to complex questions. That's what religions do, science isint one.
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Big Bang is a model based on scientific evidence, your objection here is silly at best.
Abiogenesis like i said is still open question, i dint said that i believe it to be true, you miserably failed with that one too, but we have few possible natural explanations for origins of life and your sky wizard explanation isint even one of possible ones, its empty assertion at this point. On side note, it fun to see religious people so desperate to claim that opposition have faith just to try achieve some higher ground here while admitting that having faith based position is shitty one, well we agree that faith based position is shitty one, science is not faith based position.
No idea why you keep saying darwinian mythology, was this attempt to make fun of it or try to make straw man fallacy? It fun to see people as ignorant as you claiming something to not be science while 99%of biologists and 97% of actual scientists disagrees with your personal ignorant opinion, i guess you are correct, scientists arent actually scientists and you youtube warrior status wins over 3million actual scientists because you read some random creationist web page.... Riiiiight...
" I'm not expecting real answers"
This this why you believe in wizards and magic?
"and your comment contained absolutely no surprises"
Yea, its like saying that my answer to question "What is 2+2" contained no surprised... i wonder why...
"because when it comes to your blind, deaf, and dumb faith—you have absolutely no empirical science to support it"
Well some one clearly have experience in this area. Go for it! You can do it! We believe in your blind, deaf, and dumb faith!!! I mean, we dont actually believe in your blind, deaf, and dumb faith, we just trying to support you, you are a champ!!! You are special!!!
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@jessebryant9233
So it only took 5 days for you to admit that you are theist. Why it took so long? Why are you scared of your own world views?
And yes, i'm atheist. See, easy, you asked and I have answered, why? Because i'm not scared of my position.
"Can you make a positive case FOR your own position?"
I don't need to. Atheism is rejection of YOUR claim that god is real, i dont need to disprove your claim, its enough for me to dismiss it to be an atheist.
"If you are honest, you will sa 'yes' to the first and 'no' to the second."
Second question is invalid, so cant provide "Yes" or "No" to it, but I have already corrected you on that one.
So, going back to you "lie" that you dont believe in wizards and magic, lets do basic fact check here.
Definition of magic: the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
Definition of wizard: a man who has magical powers
So yea, you know, like Jesus who used magic and by definition was wizard? So we can play this silly game all day long, but you do believe in wizards and magic, issue is that you are scared in admitting that. Why is that?
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@jessebryant9233
Those 3 things you listed at start are not relevant here, we can say for sake of argument that all of them are 100% false, whats now? God is real because you cant explain something about reality? Discrediting those will not make your god real, not a tiny bit.
And... If you seriously think that all 3 of those are false then why the f**k are you here? Disprove those and become most famous person on earth, like seriously, there are more than enough religious organizations which would financially support you all the way if you could disprove any of those, but yet you are here screaming and kicking like a child and calling something to be not a scientific thing while waste majority of actual scientists will disagree with your personal ignorant opinion. Why are you here? Are you trying to poke hole in science because you realize how shitty your own position is and that there is only one solution here for you to lower opposition side to your own shitty one just to have fighting chance?
Yes, your position is shitty one, you realize that yourself, its not our problem, its yours, and i'm not shifting burden here, you believe that there is god, cool, can you support that belief with any evidence? No? So you have irrational belief. On another hand even if i could nor support any of those 3 things with evidence i could simply remove those from options for time being and that wont change anything about my world view, your god will still be imaginary friend of yours and i'm will still be more rational than you are, simple as that.
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@glenrisk5234
""evidence" Big Bang" theory was originally predicated on has entirely been debunked"
When? By who? Why scientific world is not aware of this?...
"despite there being absolutely no evidence that there even can be a beginning?"
Big bang is only a starting of already existing energy and matter, it beginning of our local representation of this universe. Simple expansion.
"there is absolutely no evidence that matter or energy can truly be created or destroyed, only transformed"
Correct, this is why claim that god created everything from nothing contradicts that and big bang never claimed that everything came into being from nothing... So you are proving my point here.
"I agree that the available evidence is that your God is false"
First of all, i dont have god. Second, some of god claims cant be shown to be false as they are not falsifiable.
" But you have no idea what my concept of God is"
Does it really matter if you cant prove that he is real in any case?
"clearly no understanding of what the words "one true God" mean?"
I do understand, its a buzz word, have no real meaning, simply looks cooler than saying "god"
"No doubt you believe yourself the most intelligent creature in all existence"
False. So avoid making straw man here.
"there are species in this world known to have brains some ten times the size of your entire body"
And? Size of brain is not directly connected with ability to use it.
"So yeh no reason to be respectful of a possible higher intelligence than your own right?"
When you manage to show that higher intelligence is there and is responsible for anything in this reality, then we will talk. But for now you simply made a claim that there are smarter creatures on earth and that there are creatures with bigger brains... Cool... Dont care... We are talking about god claim here, not about size of brains... Why the hell you thought that bringing up brain size would prove your god in any shape or form?...
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@Paull1398
"So since the globe model claims to have all the answers i would dare to ask for a proof of it's curvature"
You do realize that even if you could disprove globe model that would not prove flat one?
"Because there are countless videos and images where one could see WAY more and farther then the mathematics of the sphere would allow. "
And? The fact that you cant see across ocean and you can only see some what further then bare minimum of math suggests shows that you have curvature. Its not a question if there is one, question would be: why you can see further then you should on a spherical surface? Well, there are many variables here, one of those is observers altitude and size of observed object. For some magical reason every single time when flat earther comes and makes a claim that you can see further then you should its about some huge object and in some cases video is taken from a mountain... Doesn't disprove globe, not a tiny bit. At worst you will prove that earth is a bigger globe...
"This is a very interesting video because the sun happens to set behind those mountains"
Which should not be possible of flat earth model... But well... Who fact checks these days.
"are 163 miles away and therefor should be hidden behind 10300 feet of Curvature. The height of the mountain is 9150 feet."
And observers altitude is...? What about light refraction? And the FACT that you can only see top part of it demonstrates that you have curvature... You seriously proving globe earth here...
"This video is not from a person that supports flat earth"
And? Its still doesn't prove flat one or disprove globe, it actually supports globe model, like i said, only tip of mountain is visible, which means that bottom part is hidden by the curvature.
So yea...
And to prove globe without using any math or NASA or media or government or brains... things about sun: Size, speed, straight line movement, sunset. Four things observable by anyone which match globe 100% and missmatch 100% flat one. NO math is needed, nothing, just a solar filter you could get in local home depo for 1 buck and some spare time.
Was this enough or should we continue?
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You failed to understand basic reality here. While you can produce hydrogen on yourself, its basically just a battery, 2 metal plates and cup of water to produce some of that, issue here is that production isn't equal to actual usage of it. While you can produce, you will not be able to put it into your car due to required extreme pressured it needs to be in. So in that case you would need quite specialized equipment with specially made compressor which could actually push that hydrogen into your cars tank up to 10000psi. Its like saying that people could make their own petroleum... While technically you could, no one is doing it due to extreme costs if you are just making it for your own needs.
If your scary government wanted to keep control and have monopoly over energy source, then it would have never allowed BEV's to be a thing, as those provide extremely easy and complete freedom from anyone, just place few solar panels, hook it up to your car and you are done, free energy with little to no hassle.
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@kumarslvr1
"You are not educating me anything new."
If its not new, then why you dont believe that we landed on a moon? If you know all this already, you would know that there is nothing preventing us to land on the moon.
"I just simply don’t believe human beings can survive beyond the van Allen belt with the technology they had back then . "
Again, thats cool personal ignorant opinion of yours. But when we look at what actual experts say, they would disagree with your personal opinion. So why are you who clearly dint do any actual research on all this radiation thing would reject what experts say and would go with his personal opinion?
I'm not questioning your beliefs, I'm questioning your rationality in picking them.
"I am just saying that they have not successfully put a living being on moon and got them back alive. "
Based on what evidence? Like seriously, based on what evidence would you conclude that putting people on moon would not be possible?
"Putting man on ISS is not bloody same as putting someone on the moon"
Actually its not that far away. If you can put some one into space for long period of times, then its just few steps away from sending some one further away.
"Stop being so arrogant just accept you don’t really know all the facts of what you are talking about for sure , you are not an Astronaut or a scientist. "
But i know more than your do, as it seams. Just because you want to believe that we never landed on the moon, doesn't mean we dint. And again, going back, by this logic you should reject existence of atoms, after all, you are not a scientist who actually observed those, arent you now? So why do you accept that atoms are real which you never observed, but you reject moon landing on basis that you are not the astronaut or scientist?
Do you seriously not getting where I'm going with this? You literally cherry picking what you want to believe from same group of people while rejecting something just because you cant think of a way it could be possible. Its like if I said that i have dog and you completely agreed with that and when i said that i have cat you would say that its impossible... You ether confirm both with same amount of tests/experiment/evidence or you reject both, but you cherry picking one of them while rejecting other.
"choose to believe"
You are not choosing what you believe.
" I don’t believe in one countries claim of doing something that I think is not possible."
But its not one countries claim... People, experts from across entire world says that they did it, so you reject actual expert words just because you as some one who did 5 minute google search cant think of a way it could be possible.
"you keep calling me ignorant just cause I don’t agree with what you believe in."
I'm trying to get to the core issue here, like actual reason why would you reject part of science and accept another one. I understand what you believe, now i want to know "why?"
" in fact i would say I have little more knowledge in this field cause I researched about it as I did not believe in it. "
That's false. You mentioned Van Allen belt like that could have any impact on people going to the moon, while in reality we simply went around it. Your knowledge about this topic is lower, that's clear. Get any rocket scientist, well, get any scientist and ask them if moon landing is possible or not. How many of them would say that it is? 98%? You literally trying to say that people who invest their entire lives in this topic knows less than your 5 minute google search... C'mon...
"So grow up and agree to disagree on something."
You cant agree to disagree on facts. You can have your wrong personal opinion, but it will not change the fact that we did sent people to the moon.
To put it simply: You have right to your opinion, you don't have right to your own facts.
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@clintonbeavers8311
"I dont believe what the goverment tells me"
Why not?
" your a fool if you do"
Why?
"you should care what the bible says because god created you"
Says who? Bible? So we should care what bible says because bible says that its true?... Do you know what is circular argument? Its a logical fallacy and you just made it...
"we all had to start somewhere and that is with adam and eve"
While in actual reality there was no Adam and Eve. Proven by actual science and not by blind belief that some ancient book said so
"the prophecy have come true"
First of all, no they dint. Second, even if you had 1000 accurate prophecies in your book, that would NOT prove that god is real, that would only prove that some one got accurate predictions but you would not had any idea how.
Ok, will not bother to poit out dozens of issues with rest of your blabering... First of all, please, for love of your imaginary friend you call god, use punctuation marks... Its really hard to read one long sentence while at same time you make it in multiple different things... So i have to reread parts of your text to know when one claim ends and another starts and avoid mixing couple of them into one huge pile...
Another thing, i dont really care what you have to say or what your book of fables has to say, i'm interested in reality, you until now only presented your opinion, which is cool, you have your opinion, but its worthless when it comes to reality. So if you want to convince anyone in here, start by presenting actual evidence and not simply making circular arguments...
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@427max
Because Musk is a threat to far leftists, they we already hammering on him for past 4 years even when Musk wasn't big part of politics, if Trump lost then it would be a high chance for lefties to create a reason to remove Musk from public, one way or the other.
Heck, you don't even need to look far back, just check headlines of recent terrorist attack, what does headlines say? Something like "Cybertruck exploded, one dead" while it wasn't cybertruck which exploded, it was explosive materials which got intentionally ignited by a terrorist inside cybertruck, who died? The terrorist. Funny thing is that damage was minimized due to use of cybertruck, as it was still in one piece after explosion and even had power, but leftists media doesn't care about actual reality, they want to put Tesla and anything Musk related in bad light, this was the case for years by now and it would have gotten worse if Kamala remained in power.
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@wolfofmilan
Short reply... Skipping quite allot of what you blabbered here as most of that is quite irrelevant, just bunch of random sentences and accusations what i'm while you have no idea who i'm... Tho says allot about you.
This should have been at end, but you might not even get that far and this is most important thing to resolve anyways.
Lets take ONE topic here: Your claim that wearing masks creates toxic environment. CAN YOU PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THIS CLAIM IS NOT RANDOM BULLSHIT YOU MADE?
"you lack the awareness to see past all these lies"
Can you prove that those are lies?
" it's if I want to even bother explaining to simple weak mind like yours"
That's a good start.. Call others dumb and be done with that... That's what "smart" people...
"to feel right from wrong"
Feel? Is reality defined by your feelings?! And you called me weak minded?! Ok...
"you take word for word what they tell you, you support the very situation and condition placed upon the people without a second guess as to why?"
Em I? Do i look like you who never actually fact checks? You keep spiting out random stuff here while presenting 0 actual evidence to support any of your claims... Why is that? Do you think anyone will believe you without second guessing?...
"its been proven all around the world if you but open your eyes"
So maybe present that proof instead of screaming like a child that it was?
"instead of remember what humans are capable of from our past"
you know whats ironic about this? You reject majority of experts because of what humans did in past while accepting minority of random facebook warriors because they said so... Why is that?
"Learn to use your heart and mind"
Heart pumps blood... So i'm not really in control of it, atleast not willingly... It just pumps my blood...
"learn to actually care for people you don't know"
Like wearing a mask?... Damn, this cognitive dissonance is extreme with you...
"not of a virus but of the lack of everyday human life interactions and freedom"
You know what limits your interactions with others? being in hospital and connected to a breathing machine... Or being dead... And what freedom are you talking about? Are you against seat belts too? What about wearing pants? Because its not allowed to walk around with your junk flapping in the wind, yet you are fine with that... But och no no no, wearing a mask is too much... Or not having some party... Flipping hell...
"You have no arguement but the delusion that you do"
Och this irony... This irony with you... Its not strong, its extreme!!!
"they will say even the slightest lie to get you to do what they want you to do"
Like saying that wearing a mask takes away your freedom? That lie?
" defend something they don't even understand themselves with zero proof to back it up"
Well you clearly have experience in this one, as you are prime example with this last comment of yours. You just spit our some but hurt conspiracy theory type nonsense while providing 0 proof for it. I know i mentioned this, but this irony is just... Amazing...
"Trying to explain masks, distancing, the virus to you and whats happening around you as the truth won't do a damn thing because..."
Because you have no supporting evidence that you are correct? Ok.
", yet it's only so effective, it won't keep out everything at all"
Are you stupid or just pretending to be one? You literally saying that masks help... yet you are against them because they are not helpful enough?... Damn... If masks help even tiny bit, conversation is over... Sonner we eradicate this pandemic sooner you can go back drinking your beer with your pals or something...
"in a car, "
From when do you need to wear one in a car? maybe when you have random passenger... But when you need to do that when you are alone or with your familly?
"in public or in a store"
Yes... Because otherwise it would defeat entire point of them... Crowded places like stores is a hot spot to get virus or to infect some one else...
"the longer you wear a mask the more harm you will do to yourself"
based on what evidence? Your feelings in your balls or maybe some actual scientific research some actual experts done?
"as soon as you place on a mask the ppm levels that are trapped withing the confined space of the mask become extremely toxic within a manner of 20 seconds"
nah, you just stupid... There are actual measuring devices to measure your O2 levels in your blood, quite a few experiments done all over the place, none of them supports your childish. And let me guess, your evidence for this is facebook post? Or was this youtube video?
Ok, skipping everything else, no real point and you just blabbering random shit here...
So now, first of all, friendly advice: KEEP IT SHORT... You terribly like to go into this tangent and talk about what i want or do or em or all kind of shit, just some random preamble and then you simply end it with some random claim like its a fact... Learn to make normal arguments and include actual evidence, like actual citations, links to research, anything... Its just huge waste of time to address all of your random claims, random blabbering...
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@billwilliamson1506
"If you think the Bible is a book of fables but Ancient Greek historians are 100% factual then you’re wrong. "
First of all, dint said that Ancient Greek historians are 100% factual. Second, there is HUGE difference between a claim that dude named bob was real who built a house in comparison to a Jesus who was a god himself and performed magic... One of those requires more than a book to be taken seriously. And the fact that you have false claims, like global flood, which never happen, only indicates that its not a representation of reality, aka book of fables.
"The Bible is more than fable but not true fact 100%."
Get definition for a fable, read it, realize that bible fits it perfectly.
"It is better suited fore moral claims since it at least outlines sound principles"
Stoning homosexuals? Killing adulterous? Burning witches? Beating your slaves?... Those sound principles?
Bible is useless when it comes in determining reality and for moral guidance, its simply useless... Because it is book of fables, nothing more.
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@HaydenEvanoff
"Scientists: “oh it’s cause of light refraction duh”"
Well yes... Is a known FACT that due to cold air, which you will have near water surface, tends to bend light down, which means that you will see slightly more then you should. This is basic fact which needs to be counted into, just because flat earthers doesn't like reality will not make it false.
"It’s constantly being corrected, improved, changed."
Key word is "Improved". If you have ruler with 1cm accuracy then your accuracy will be... Well.. 1cm... If you get new one with 1mm accuracy you will change measurement number, it will be different than previous one but it will be more accurate, so you will introduce change in result but doesn't mean that original was incorrect, it simply was less accurate.
"but I’m also willing to admit that I can’t prove it’s a sphere. "
Earths shape can be confirmed from your backyard, just because you, personally, cant do this will not mean that earth is not a globe. This is basic argument from ignorance.
"And your reaction to how much you belittle these peoples opinion shows that you never actually even considered it to be possible in the first place."
You cant have opinions about facts... There is no real debate here, earth is a sphere, its a fact, having debate or having some ones ignorant opinion will not change this fact.
"You would have been one of the people debunking scientists that called the earth a sphere first, only because of popular opinion. Think about that."
There is difference between argument from popularity and actual testable and provable fact. Earths shape can be proved to be spherical, what you feel in your balls while looking at horizon will not be on same level as actual evidence for the shape of earth.
"You believe that sight can bend?"
Sight? What? Sight is ability to see, while this conversation is about light refraction... Which can bend... Provable fact.
"We are bound to keep proving things we previously thought were true to be false."
This only applies to theories, some of them, while earths shape is not a theory, its a fact.
"And it doesn’t help that we live in such an evil world filled with agendas and deception."
Yea, like people who tries to convince others that earth is flat...
"and inverted around a spherical object at that"
Invert? What are you talking about?
"Also, a man’s height in no way is going to throw off a SIX MILE test.."
? What? You dint realized that altitude will have effect on how far you should see on a globe?... Seriously, you might want to start from basics of geometry here.
"we are talking about inches, maybe a foot. The boat was supposed to drop over six feet alone."
So it did dropped then? If it did, then there is no longer question if earth is a spherical, it would only be a question: How big it is?
"Even the YouTuber above said the math was supposedly correct though? Am I missing something?"
Youtuber above tried to reproduce place experiment is which is as stupid as it gets as it should produce same exact results on both models, so i would not trust what he says on any topic in general...
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@hussainal-hussaini8483
"I can say the same thing to you!?"
Yet you cant. My understanding of physics doesn't contradict reality.
"And please can you explain what part in physics you are talking about?"
Aerodynamics?...
"Because as far as i remember I wasn't talking about the aerodynamics of the takeoff/ landing process.."
And? I just give you simple example showing that plane doesn't need to point its nose where it wants to go...
"alot of things left without fine scientific explanation in the global model!"
No, science explained everything, YOU simply dint understood some points from that. Your personal ignorance is not counter evidence. We can sit here and teach you about some basic things and explain stuff, but this should have been done in middle school and we are not here to teach you.
"so instead of systematically defending your own beliefs.."
Its not a belief, its a fact, earth is a globe, factually round. You cant have personal opinion on a established fact...
"as you can about the idea behind the airplane flying straight without any adjusting during the flight..Gravity?"
Gravity and aerodynamics. In general plane could fly from point A to point B while keeping it perfectly perpendicular to center of earth. Would be extremely inefficient but possible. So i have no idea what is your complain here... Go and learn shit about aerodynamics after that you can complain that something related to it doesn't make any sense and then you can actually present counter evidence, because again, your ignorance on the topic is not evidence that its false.
" Am so hungry to know about gravity and how it's really work.. "
Cavendish experiment proves gravity.
And to put it simply: gravity is attraction between 2 objects with mass.
Yes, any objects. Even you have your own gravitational field, tho because you have such tiny mass in comparison to 5.972 × 10^24 kg earths mass, you have no impact on that.
" And why there is many air trips crossing unreasonably great distances while there is shorter once based on the global model.."
Like what? Give me example and not empty claims... And before you even done that, so what? Even if there was some flight paths, why cant you simply google out why they are in this way instead of making your own shit?
"And am going to ask that again why we don't see the curvature on water surfaces even when mathematically we should.."
On a 6,371 km radius spherical object you want to see actual curvature on water? Are you kidding me?... How small do you think earth is? 69 miles gives you around 1 degree of lean from you... Do you seriously think that you could observe this curvature on water?...
And... Google... Ships disappearing OVER horizon. Ships (or any object) literally disappears bottoms up over horizon which is only possible if there is curvature.
"And if you are going to explain that with your super natural, physical, rare and mysterious air density/light theory that you can't actually make or explain.."
Basic geometry 101... Do you even have knowledge about geometry? because as of your last sentences it doesn't look like you do.
"am 100% OK with what you've been saying about the sun facts and i have no problems with that.. I have problems with the other issues as I mentioned before"
So basically anything you ACTUALLY understand you are fine but anything you FAIL to understand, that makes you doubt globe earth?... Do you notice pattern here? You literally think that earth could be flat because you lack of knowledge in particular area... Does that mean that rockets are not real because you have no idea how those work?...
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@tylerdordon99
First of, difference between height and width is tiny, if you had picture of earth in size of your monitor, difference would be around 0.5 or 1 pixel, which is literally undetectable. So even as earth is oblate spheroid and slightly wider on bottom part, on grand scale its a perfect sphere.
For photos, most photos are taken from ISS which is ONLY 400km away from earth. In this case you will get enlarged continents as you simple are too close to earth. If you want picture without distortions then you will need to go quite a bit further, "blue marble" photo is a nice example of a photo taken from appropriate distance.
Tho... That's not even a point here. You could prove that 100% of photos and videos from space are fake, that would NOT disprove globe model. Earth is a globe because its measurable and observable fact anyone can do. Even basic observation of sun have 4 things which proves globe and disproves flat one without any need to trust anyone or do any calculations. So yea, photos are irrelevant, earth is a globe independent of those.
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@Shakazaramesh
There isn't anyone actually guarding it, yes, but he would not get permission to enter and he would be fined after the fact, if he returned alive. But it's nitpicking at this point. Antarctica acts as a country, you do need to get permission to enter it, you can skip that step and do it without permission, no one will stop you, but if you are just some random guy who is not prepared for most deadliest places on earth, you will be rejected from entering in a sense of "You, don't dare to cross this border, or we will slap you in a wrist when/if you come back"
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@SirFlat
"The earth is not an globe for sure, only if you watch nasa"
Funny thing is that ONLY flat earthers bring in NASA in conversation about earths shape... Why is that?
"we have an soul"
First of all, this is completely not related to earths shape... Second, this is just empty assertion of yours.
"In antartica u can't go around."
Have you tried? There is a plain ticket you can buy for like 5k to go over antarctica, I think its 2k for cruise ship to go around it and like 15k for trip on your own feet to it.
"THE NORTH STAR is there unmoved"
Actually it does move and North star will change over time. Even North star isint actually at north.
"I check for my self from 2020, "
For 2 years?... Seriously? You expected for star which is like 323 light-years away to make noticeable movement in 2 years?... Are you trolling here?
"Someone telling lies about us"
To us*
And that would be flat earthers, well, to be fair, some actually believe all this crap, others do it for the money as its allot simpler to take money from naive ignorant gullible people than to do it from rest of the population.
But you dint addresed anything I said previously... Why is that? You just went on random ramble about random things... Explain to me why sun doesn't change it perceived size over the day while on flat earth model it should as it goes in circles over your head, this is basic geometry 101 and you conveniently forgot to address it. Is it because its too hard to troll on such basic things or are you just to ignorant to actually address it?
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"For instance NASA will say we've shot things into outer space"
You do know that you can observe ISS from earth?...
"That's a lie and they admit it by saying, we've never left lower Earth orbit"
Which is a lie spread by people who have no idea what they are talking about. Like seriously, find us actual quote for this one with actual context of it, i dare you.
" You accept that. Even though there is no legitimate photo of it."
Question for you: If you could explore some ones house from inside, check every room, but never leave house itself. Could you make a rough picture of how it should look from outside?
"So honestly I can't say these flat earther's are exactly crazy or stupid."
Not stupid or crazy, atleast not all of them, but brainwashed and gullible, definitely. And what is interesting about your comment here is that you tried to compare our galaxy with the shape of earth... Shape of earth can be determined with anyone, for f**k sakes, observation of sun proves that earth is not flat... But you want to compare that with shape of gallaxy which would require quite abit of knowledge and technology to determine that... And on top of that, shape of our galaxy doesn't really have any impact on actual reality, it could be round, it could be frisbee, it could be flat pancake, would not overturn entire scientific world like it would if earth was a flat space pizza.
" I'll just stick with the answer that nobody knows"
But we do know... You are slightly better than flat earthers, but still quite bad...
"If it was based information there wouldn't be an opposing perspective!"
? Will say it again, 4 things about sun disproves flat earth, no need of special training or expensive equipment. Shape of earth is based on facts and evidence, just because you have some one who doesn't want it to be true doesn't mean that its not true... Pick anything from reality and you will find atleast one person who will disagree with that, hell, you can even find people who will say that you are not real... Does that mean that he has a valid point that you are not real and that your existence is not based on facts?... Do you see flaw in your thinking?
"2+2=4... Based"
Because its how we defined it... its not a claim about what is true, it is what it is... Even tho, ironically, you can get 2+2=5 throw some mathematical gymnastics.
So yea, please, for sake of your own well being, try to educate yourself on basic reality... Earth is not flat, this should be obvious for everyone.. Well, atleast for most it is.
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"He openly admits that it takes billions of years for a single-celled organism to evolve into a multi-cell organism but cannot realize that there is no observable evidence to prove that"
? So if you have murder, then by your logic there is no way to prove who did this? Evolution is proven fact from reality. Testable and observable fact. And just to be clear as i can bet you have no idea what evolution is, so will give short description of it: Change in gene pool over time.
This is as short explanation as it could get. So, you have random mutations, which causes changes, big or small, which changes species from one to another over long periods of time. This is observable fact. You can start by checking fruit fly experiment (short life span, so its easy to test hundreds of generations in short period of time) then ring species, then silver fox experiment. And maybe then google out "dog breed change over 100 years" which will provide nice example (with pictures) how dog breeds changed over relative short time period. And yes, they are still dogs... But if you want to toss around "But they are still dogs" nonsensical argument, then you have no idea what evolution is and how labels work...
Microevolution and macroevolution is same thing, its like saying that seconds are real but hours are not... But of those things mean same exact thing, there is only difference in scale...
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@Dowent
Musk hating videos are easy money, it's easy click generating approach. Even with someone being obsess with another person, you would not get so many videos with basically same exact information repeated over and over again, this looks like generic attempt to cash grab while this topic still hot. Heck, half of US voted for Kamala, so TF here basically gets approval from that population by default.
You can go over comments and notice what people actually says, majority and I mean majority of them simply gets to the point of saying "Musk is bad" aka they are just generic Musk haters, aka anyone who shares same childish view will get their approval by default.
Its sad that it came to this, but TF started to do it years ago, nothing new here honestly, maybe the share insane amount of videos he is putting out. I guess he doesn't have any other money sources and his channel no longer growing hampered his income by quite a bit, so trying to offset it with bunch of "new" videos.
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@randomrandom450
You don't even have actual counter argument here, you just screaming that something is true because random youtuber said so...
There are bunch of things to complain about Musk, what he said or did, but he does deliver, you like it or not. I'm not a fan boy of Musk, he does allot of stupid shit, but I like what his companies do, reusable rockets, EV's, world wide internet, neuralink, that robot thing, universal self driving system and so on...
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"The earth is definitely not flat. But..."
I'm not racist, but...
"fact that you did not mention the number of pictures of the earth and other space bodies when supposedly the earth is surrounded by thousands of satellites"
Lets do 5 grade math here. Surface of earth, 510.1 million km², for sake of argument lets use this number, even tho actual would be bigger for this case. Now, buy current estimation there is around 2666 satellites in earths orbit. For sake of argument lets say its 5000, because why not. Now hardest part: 510 000 000 km² / 5000 = 102 000 km² for ONE satelite, while general satelite size can be as small as basketball or as big as mid sized car.
Now, another question on top of this. How far does car need to go from you until you cant see it? 5km? 10?... Do you see where i'm going here?... I hope you do...
"Sun, Moon and every light in the night sky, you'll see that everything moves in the same direction"
maybe because earth rotates?... Like seriously, what do you expect? Moon does one rotation around earth in 28 days, so even tho you can see that moon is moving at different speed than stars in background, its still quite slow. Then sun, earth does full rotation in 365 days, which means that stars in background in relation to sun will move even slower, but it will.
Did you skipped geometry class?...
"Basically, with all the rotations and movements in the universe, this shouldn't be possible"
Says who? Closest star is over 4light years away... And you want to notice movement on daily basis?... Are you kidding me?
"The fact that we can read the same stars our ancestors could and they don't seem to change pattern is odd"
Present to us picture of stars from 2000 years ago and lets compare... Och wait...
Berdard's star, is a start in record which moved by quite allot (relatively speaking) in last couple decades which was actually recorded. So yea, stars do move and it was proven.
"there isn't a lot that disproves the flat earth apart from the obviously honest NASA (Nazi safe zone) and other space agencies"
And you said you are not flat earther?... Seriously?... Sun disproves flat earth... Your ignorance is not proof of anything...
"If you don't trust the government you shouldn't believe what they say is true or not true"
Government is irrelevant to the shape of earth... Or to astronomy...
Questioning is fine, being ignorant intentionally is not.
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@sammydark9
"Ignorance is stating info given to you by others as facts without proving it yourself"
Do you even know what ignorance is?...
"Let me guess, you did all that math by yourself?"
Yes?.... its like 5th grade math... division... Did you skipped that class?
" all of that is almost impossible to occur naturally"
"Almost" doesn't make it impossible.
"The sun and moon can align perfectly despite them being different sizes and different distances from us"
Why not? planets rotate on generally same plane, so why should it not align?
"yet there are some that are completely fixed straight above us?"
Yes?... You literally answering to your own question... Objects which are further away will move slower, relatively speaking, when you move to the side. Have you ever been in a car and looked to the side?... Its basic geometry 101... Tho you think that i need google to perform basic division, so maybe its not that simple for you. So sorry about that...
"the fact that plane simulators can't even use a globe terrain"
Why would they use globe? Its allow simpler to simulate physics on a plane and there is no point in making it curved, unless you are simulating space travel, in which case you have multiple games doing that with some wonky physics because of that. Its exponentially more simpler to code on basic X Y and Z coordinate plane instead of trying to do it on a spherical one, you would known this if you had any knowledge in coding, but i do...
"There's no flight simulator that allows you to go all around the globe"
Google maps?... Not a flight simulator but provides map of entire earth on a globe... What else do you need?
"And my question to you is, why all these flat earthers?"
Internet. Give access to internet and you will get rise in stupid claims, because its simpler for people like that gather into one bigger group. We dint got more flat earthers, they simply got money to pay for internet...
"Why can't NASA just disprove all of them?"
First of all, they did.
Second, they dont need to.
Third, NASA is irrelevant, basic sun observation disproves them.
Forth, its not a question of disproving them, this was done long time ago, its basic education, as all of them (seams to include you) has no idea about basic geometry or even 5th grade math...
"All they need is to live stream a rocket going from point earth to the moon's surface"
Trip to moon is like 2 week travel, or its one week to one side. In any case. Nobody went to the moon for quite some time now, there are plans to return in couple years, so you will get your 4k 60fps video from moon. But this is not the issue, we can provide live stream from space being taken currently, there are live streams from space... Doesn't help out... So why would trip to moon help?
"Scientists tell you that you live on a pared shape elliptic spheroid, but every single image you see is a complete round globe"
because you are to ignorant to understand basic geometry. Difference between height and width is around 0.4%, its even smaller between hemisphere which creates this "pearshape" so it would be more suspicious if it actually looked like oblate spheroid in pictures... Please, learn basics about earth before you try to debunk it...
"Or just with a telescope from earth show us the Flag on the Moon, that's literally all they have to do!"
You do realize that you will need quite big telescope for that?... Like HUGE one... Which is none existent on earth to take such picture... You literally want to see flag which is like 1meter by 50cm in size at 384,400 km distance which is not even faced at you... Damn... Seriously, that initial "I'm not flat earthe, but" say more than we need.. You are flat earher, dont pretend that you are not...
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@sammydark9
" It is none existent ? "
What is?
"Sun observation proves what?"
Globe earth.
"You say that they disproved it back in the day, who? NASA, the Greek's?"
People with IQ above average. Flat earth doesn't need to be disproven, you don't need to disprove something what never been proven... Its like asking "Who disproved unicorns?" simple doesnt make any sense... People proved that earth is a globe, you can prove that too with some basic observations of reality and some basic understanding how geometry works.
"You are basing your 5th grade maths on numbers they've given you... "
? how big do you think earth is? Like seriously, how big it should be? because it doesn't matter what they provide, we can take 1/4 of actual surface size, my point will still remain same...
"You know for a fact the distance between the earth and the moon, the size of the earth... "
I know approximate size, i can get more accurate from some one who did actual measurements. have you ever been to Australia? No? So its not real, right? Using your logic i we cant trust people who are saying that they live in Australia... So its not real? Right?
"Don't lie to yourself when I ask you if you did all these calculations by yourself, trying to act smart when you're just a blind believer"
Division? Its to complex for you to divide a number by another number?...
"Both are basing their beliefs on scripture and what has been passed down through out history"
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"Questioning the existence of a country that you can perfectly visit or contact people from there is the same as questioning the existence of space black holes or the size of stars..."
So now we are talking about black holes and size of stars?... How many topic will you change during one conversation?... You need to learn to walk before you attempt to run. So, still waiting your agreement that earth is a globe. Then we can move to something more complex than this. Deal?
"You say flat earth doesn't have to be disproven..."
Its not, same as god claim doesn't have to be disproven. Any claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Its simple.
"Since day one on this earth every single civilisations describes an enclosed world"
And? And since day one we had people thinking that thunder is controlled by some god in clouds... its still an empty claim which can be dismissed without any need to disprove it...
"but rather a dome like shape"
Which doesn't resolve anything. Well, you could some what resolve issue with sunset/sunrise, partially, but its still false, its would only be less false than actual flat earth.
"You're saying that it doesn't have to be disproven because of Greek studies on shadows and lights / NASA images and studies...."
Do you even read what i write? Because now you simply making shit up here... Shape of earth can be determined by YOUR PERSONAL observation of suns behavior. Will repeat, because it looks like its to hard for you to understand this basic point i'm making here. Shape of earth can be determined BY YOU without ANY outside help. NASA, government, greeks, Bob form 3a apartment or your dog are irrelevant to the shape of earth, if you have basic grasp how geometry works you can determine shape of earth. But i guess you are not wiser than Greeks who lived 2300 years ago...
"You can't prove it with just observations"
You can.
"Everything we observe indicates that we don't float in an infinite space"
Do you see what you are doing here? You just talked about shape of earth, where you made a claim that its not possible to know, now you complain about allot more complex not being possible... Seriously, learn to walk before you start running, you will hit your face to the ground less frequently if you do that...
"It doesn't indicate that is completely flat or that it's round..."
Yet observation of sun proved that it is round. Do you understand that?
"Stop talking out of your a** and actually send me a link of an actual picture of the earth... I'm still waiting."
Don't care, like honestly i don't give a f**k, i'm not your mom to wipe your ass when you shit all over yourself. if you are too lazy to do 5 second google search then there is nothing i could provide to you what would actually convince you. You are too lazy to know what is real.
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Its like you are trying to troll here or something...
Do you even understand what "Belt" is?... Have you ever seen one? Its a strip of something... In this case its a strip of radiation... We cant go past throw it... But... Held on your chair, because this will be like a university grade stuff: We went around it...
Like seriously, i'm reading your comments and it looks like you are some sad person who just makes some silly comments just to get attention...
" It just doesn't add up"
With what? Your personal ignorance? Maybe not, but reality is not dependent on it. I will say something scary here, sunshine, but reality doesn't give a f**k about you, your ignorance on basic things, like shape of belt, doesn't disprove our trip to moon.
"so please don't call me ignorant if you believe humans with 60s technology did all that"
But you are, you literally are ignorant human being. You want me to prove that? Easy. Explain to us ignorant people WHY it was not possible to go to moon with 60s technology. And just to save some time, avoid continuing with your random meaningless accusations that it wasn't, but actually provide evidence that it wasn't. Can you do it, sunshine?
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"The white house phone in the 60s was incapable of reaching a stable signal all the way to the moon, do I really have to explain why?"
Should i care?
"And this is the type of technology that took us around the Van Allen belt, which you say is just a strip"
You seriously comparing white house phone with trip to moon?... You do realize that there is difference between sending signal to moon and back and having technology to go there?... Those are not the same technologies... Flipping hell...
And if you would have spent 5sec and actually used google and entered "Van Allen radiation belt" you would known what i mean by it only being a strip... You can go around it, this is what they did in 60s... Not convenient and uses more fuel to go to moon, but as we cant go directly throw it, we simply went around it... This is where you complain about astronaut saying that we cant go pass throw it which was a fact but doesn't disprove a shit...
You dont even know what you are trying to disprove here, no wonder you are failing on each step.
"Please don't tell me you're naive enough to believe we actually we're able to do such a thing yet struggle to do so now"
We are not struggling to do it now. It was over 23 billion dolars to go to moon, yes, with a B... After couple trips we realised that there is nothing in there, no resources to be used, nothing, just a rock in space. So no one will invest another 23 billion bucks just to make a trip back to this space rock for shits and giggles...
But due to advancements in rocket science, mainly in reusable rockets, like spaceX have currently, this cost can be broth down to something like 80million per seat. This is why there are plans to go back there and establish research base, just like ISS. Which will be more or less test grounds before going to mars.
Seriously, you are lazy and ignorant on so many things that its even sad to read your comments...
"Please don't tell me it's not a coincidence that humans decided to stop going to the moon as the normal user's technology increased and Photoshop started being used by the common people"
? Isint this actually a proof that moon landing did happen?... We dint had technology to create fake images when moon landing happen, when we did had technology like that we dint went there... Isint this should be opposite if you have been correct? Like moon landing would have only happen after technology to create CGI images have been invented and not before it?...
Honestly i just hope that you are just trolling here, otherwise your life will be difficult. Tho even if you are trolling, your life is already difficult... So i'm sorry about you.
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@shawnm2113
"An advanced camera can zoom the entirety of the ship back into focus."
It can't... That's not how reality works. If ships starts disappearing over the horizon, no amount of zoom will bring it back. As some one who claims to not be flat earther you say quite silly things here.
"Dude literally took a video of something that should be over a mile below the curve…. But the Chicago skyline was right there. "
I would strongly recommend to actually google out earth curvature calculator, enter correct values and check how much should actually be hidden...
On top of this... How much is hidden is not even relevant, if its hidden at all then we have curvature, no need to even calculate how much it is.
"It’s hard to not give credit to those who question the powers that be considering what they done."
Being stupid doesn't really warrant for a credit. Earths shape is observable fact which can be determined from your backyard, questioning such rudimentary facts doesn't make you smart, it makes you stupid.
"but one must also take into account as to why they feel that they cannot trust our government"
Because they like to be special. Everyone lies, including flat earthers. Government is made up of people which usually come and go into power, so just because some one at some point in a history lied about something doesn't give you right to question such basic reality just because government agrees with established fact, its just plain stupidity. What government says here is not even relevant, it can say that earths is unicorn shaped, will not make it so. Same as flat earthers keep mentioning NASA, like it has any relevance here..
"Some of the moon landing videos are highly, highly suspect."
Your personal ignorance isint evidence for anything besides your personal ignorance.
"We know we went, but the questionable videos are exactly that, questionable."
By ignorance people like you, but thats it, only by people like you.
"You’re not privy to the Nikon 900 videos where they just simply zoom in….."
Funny enough I asked dozens of flat earthers to provide video like that, guess how many returned with actual video... None... None at all... So maybe you can provide that video link? Is it magical one which doesn't exist? Or are you just never bothered to actually fact check and just parroting something you have seen on facebook post?
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Short answer: Because they vote.
To go more into specifics, people like flat earthers or theists tend to push their fantasy on others, especially children, brainwashing them with all this nonsense, which is objectively harmful. Issue is not with their belief, but what they are doing with it. If you had some one believing that we live on a back of unicorn and he lived alone in woods, no one would care, but this is not the case, they are trying actively promote their fantasy, trying to promote pseudo science... And even more ironically, majority of flat earthers are believers.
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@davie7670
"Well thank you for caring enough to reply to someone who doesn't care"
Some one who doesn't care doesn't make comments saying that they don't care. Like seriously, if you dint cared, you wont even watch video about this topic, let alone create comment...
"I made this comment because I see all these comments calling them stupid"
But they are. I mean, you might not like this, but by definition of stupid, they are stupid, atleast their actions and claims are.
". I just don't think it's right to bash other people for what they believe in"
That's not the issue. Issue is with people who screams that they are correct because their book said so. Issue is not with their beliefs but what they are doing with them.
"I would still treat them as a normal human"
Define normal. Because its not normal to think that earth is flat. So you should mean something else when you say that they are normal.
"Sometimes it's not about being right or wrong, if it works for them, so be it."
Yet they dont live on island alone... They beliefs effect their actions. How many do you think of them decides not to send their children to school just because it spreads "lies"? How many of them decides to teach their children that earth is a pancake? That's the issue, not that they have some stupid beliefs, but what they are doing with them.
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"Gas under pressure is used in most homes to cook and heat"
At what pressures? Around 100psi. Do you know how high hydrogen car tanks goes? 10 000psi... That's tiny bit higher with quite a bit of extra punch if it raptures...
"Embrittlement is easily solved with plastic or rubber liners"
Current best protection is ceramics, it still doesn't protect fully, but it does increase lifetime of hydrogen tank, tho you still need to replace it on regular intervals.
"You are repeating the lies and propaganda , as though they are sacrosanct"
Like you who thinks comparing 100 psi to 10 000 psi is reasonable?... C'mon... This joke writes itself.
"Hydrogen is being canned because it is not yet economically viable."
Because 100% of it needs to be produced, stored, transported and distributed. It never was viable and from looks of it, it will never gonna be. There is just to many issues relating to it.
"It is like building roads, for an increase of 100 cars per year, and then finding our you're only getting 10 cars per year. "
Reality is different. Hydrogen stations started to close down not because there isn't enough demand, but because its just to expensive to keep them running. This is why its extremely common to see hydrogen station not working and being under maintenance. Those require expensive and complex equipment which, as you know, suffers from that same hydrogen embrittlement, so constant repairs are needed.
"because you were always against Hydrogen from the get go"
Because technology ONLY sounds cool on paper, but if you spend more than 5 minutes on this topic you will realize how little sense it makes. You are only looking at positives, you want to ignore all of the negatives.
"Hydrogen is safer to store and transport and use than Gasoline, or methane"
Its not. Hydrogen being highly dense by weight have huge issue, it's extremely low density when it comes to volume, this is why you will either need to chill down to under -252C or to get it up to insane pressures.
Tho duno why you compare it to gasoline or methane. Why not compare to batteries?
"It is kept under lower pressure than LNG"
That's obviously false...
"and is not more dangerous than CNG gas use"
False too.
"Embrittlement is a problem for metals but not plastics"
Then I guess we only need plastic tanks to keep that 10 000 psi under control?... Plastics do not stop hydrogen, even solit steel walls doesn't do it... Hydrogen will seep throw any material eventually. You could maybe slow it down with more layers, but it only slows it down, it doesn't prevent it.
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@Globeisahoax
Even when original commenters reply you never present anything in value. All of your comments are basically "Brainwash, government bad, conspiracy, trust me bro" and then you run away to the next comment, rinse and repeat, over and over and over again. At the moment someone asks to clarify things, why something works/doesn't work on flat earth you just reply with same "Brainwash, government bad, conspiracy, trust me bro" or simply run away to the next comment... And you keep doing this. Due to this you look more like a troll, or someone extremely confused about reality or some weird ChatGPT bot to drive this comment section up in its activity. What's going on with you? You can't muster a single sound and valid argument why your pancake world is true, its always just "Brainwash, government bad, conspiracy, trust me bro" and nothing else. Your comments are WORTHLESS in all aspects.
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Level is not equal flat.
"Gravity has never been understood"
Yes, nobody knows what is actual cause of gravity, but most knows what gravity is: attraction between objects with mass.
"Ballers deny the Earths Curvature formula"
Maybe because its moronic one? its literally is a parabola equation... PARABOLA. And it doesn't even contain 2 essential variables in it: observers altitude and observed object height.
"Ballers are followers of disinformation from paid puntiffs"
Och that irony...
"Ballers are Lazy and have no Common sense of their own Reality"
Damn... This irony... Its strong with you...
"Genesis overrides any science book "
And Harry Potters book override science books too, whats your point?
"The Creator says the Earth Unmovable and Stationary.Case Closed."
Issue is that you cant prove that god is real, that god gives a damn about us, that god ever said anything, that god created earth or us or that your ancient book of fables is actually word of god, which cant even be true because it is full of false claims, self contradictions and bunch of immoral rules you should follow. So yea, Voldemort said so, so it must be true.
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@alphaschneider2468
You can't break laws of physics just because you really really want it... Hydrogen cars are really old technology by this point and it simply doesn't work in a way that it would be reasonable. You can't generate hydrogen on demand, again, first law of thermodynamics, heck any scientist will explain you why that one will never work. Water isn't fuel, just like crude oil isn't petroleum. You actually need to make it, produce it, and that takes crap ton of electricity and there is no way around it.
Basic logical thinking here could create red flags straight away. You want to make hydrogen from water, so electrolysis, which produces hydrogen and oxygen, cool, after that you want to combine hydrogen with oxygen to produce energy, which results in that same water. Like, can you see potential issue here straight away? Water -> hydrogen and oxygen -> hydrogen + oxygen -> Water. So then, from which magical place does this excess energy should come from to power anything else, let alone to power actual electrolysis? Perpetual motion engines do not exist... Let alone those which can make crap ton more power than its using...
We would be having thousands upon thousands water/hydrogen powered electrical plants across entire world if this magical technology could work in any meaningful way...
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@squadabingo7290
"I excelled in math as well"
Me too, yet you failed in geometry class as it seems.
"How do we explain the eclipses when the sun and moon which are millions of miles apart?"
? Are you saying that objects doesn't create shadow it they are further away? What is your question here?
"How do they line up perfectly"
? Orbit? No idea what you are asking. They don't line up perfectly each time, there are quite big variations between eclipses.
"Have you not seen videos that provide proof that the sun and moon are more local than once taught to us by the establishment"
Have you seen 10000x more videos and more books and more people in general saying that this claim is bullshit? And just FYI we are talking about shape of earth here, so lets stay on this topic. After we can agree that earth is a globe, as this is demonstrable observable fact from reality, then we can talk about distances to the moon and sun. Deal?
"Government worldwide has been caught lying to us on more occasions than we can fathom... agreed?"
You know whats funny? Government is made up of humans, you want to make a claim that just because government lied at some point about something invalidates everything what it said, which essential means that anything what humans say is bollocks would mean that what you say is bollocks too..
Have you lied in your life? I can bet you did. Does that mean that anything you say here is bullshit and a lie? Do you see issue with your broken logic here? And yearth is a globe NOT because some one said so, but because its observable and testable fact from reality anyone can do to verify it. Your childish excuses that its false because government said so is just... childish...
"Why wouldn’t they provide a cover story to keep us locked in a small area(hunger games, elysium)"
Wait, wizards are real because we have Harry Potter movies? Matrix is real? Aliens are real?!!! Damn... I guess everything is true if its in a movie...
" i believe there are more land masses than we are taught and why can’t “regular” ppl explore more."
Cool opinion, but as you lied in your life this is a lie.
Tho to be more serious, cool opinion, but lets go back to reality. Lets for sake of argument imagine that earth is a globe, you know, for sake of argument and not because its a fact. Antarctica is a continent belonging to quite few countries and it was put under general protection where people are not allowed to go there and pollute just because they want too. This was done for multiple reasons and main one is to preserve it as it is with else impact from humans as possible. Now, reality check. You can buy expedition ticket over there. You can buy plane ticket over it. You can buy cruise ship ticket around it. But its still a continent and you will not be allowed to go there without permission in same exact way as you are not allowed to cross country border without going throw customs...
So maybe, just maybe regular people are not allowed there because there is no reason to do so? Do you allow any person who want to enter your house to enter without your permission? Do you? Could i just get into your house, use your toilet, watch tv and then leave without your permission? If i asked, would you let me in? Because if you would ask appropriate institutions for a visit of Antarctica, they will allow that. Have you tried it?
"space and earth beyond the continents without being told to go away(military air aNd land space) once again... thought provoking statements"
Childish statements. You can literally fly over Antarctica... I think is 2k for plane ticket, 5k for cruise ship and I think its 15 or 50k for expedition to the pole itself on foot. So yea, you are demonstrably wrong and quite childish.
"what did I say that’s childish?"
More or less, everything.
"Did I hurt your feelings because you think you know the truth"
Och no no no, you cant really hurt my feelings over internet, i'm not a millennial. And i know that earth is a globe, that's just a fact. Every other statement of yours got demonstrated to be factually false.
"You have no idea what the truth is"
I do, but you dont as it seems.
" You only take information in and believe what you believe"
Talking from personal experience?
Like seriously, do we agree that earth is a globe? No? Can you explain why sun doesn't change perceived size, speed and moves in straight line over a day and actually does that thing we call sunset/sunrise which is only possible on globe model and fails on every step on flat one?
And let me guess, you think that earth is flat because book said so? Or is this because its against mainstream? What is your evidence that earth is flat pancake?
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@serpico1616
You seem to not understand basics here. This video wants to imply that CT miserably failed at its hitch test, while it exceeded it 9x the rated value. If you want to make argument about aluminum fatigue, cool beans, you could do that, but this video isn't about it, it was to claim that CT failed at something while in reality it did not.
And just FYI as you people seem to not understand this ting either, I personally don't like CT, it looks stupid, it should have never existed to begin with, its not some work horse and so on, but at same time having misleading videos just for the clickbait isn't the way to go. Jerry here is but hurt at Musk, which again is fine, Musk behaves like moron recently, but this isn't justification for videos like this.
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"I don't think the world is flat , but..."
In most cases anything what was before "but" becomes incorrect... You might be exception, but its funny to see comments starting with something like this and then ending with same exact broken reasoning as any flat earther has.
"For example weather modification!"
Well, we have technology to shoot some chemical compositions into clouds to disperse them. This is not really weather modification, its simple cloud dispersion.
"NASA just admitted there are UFOs"
Correct, we have records of Unidentified Flying Object. Now, for sake of everyone's, read again what UFO stands for... Then try to realize why saying that you have some records about Unidentified Flying Object is nothing special... UFO is not equal aliens... Its literally Unidentified...
"A nation wide (maybe worldwide) human trafficking ring"
Maybe? From where do you get this information?
"The defense department just announced they invented a microchip to put under your skin so everyone will be tracked"
Why would they announce that? If they had any plans to track everyone, which they most likely can do already as everyone own smartphone which has GPS in it anyways... Why would they announce that?
"So many people labeled "crazy conspiracists " turned out to be correct. "
Like what? And its a crazy conspiracy UNTIL you can provide evidence that its not. Just because some one made up conspiracy theory we should not take them seriously, especially if they have 0 evidence to support that.
"As we judge the people who fall into the flat earth web lets also remember sometimes some conspiracies are true and the word needs minds that question"
We need minds that question things, but we dont need minds that question facts. Flat earth claim is just stupid on its core, its claiming that reality is not reality, as for flat earth to be real you would need for magic to be real and everything we observe in reality relating to shape of earth, gravity, galaxies, stars and so on would be faked somehow.
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@LordDucarius
Never said that war is a game, but war is a war... If your opponent has specific advantage then try to minimize it as much as possible. Defending is always simpler than attacking, so Ukraine can use Russian desperation to take over Bakhmut and drain its forces as much as possible while having as little loses on Ukraine side as possible. Basic war tactics 101.
I'm not from Ukraine and honestly I would only be a waste of gear and ammunition as I'm not suitable for combat. War like this isint done on a single soldier level, if I would be hinderens for entire squad then its better for me to not be part of it.
"No sane person wants to go through that hell and most ukrainians, just as most russians want the war to end. "
Yes, yet we have Russia keeping this war active... What's your point?
"The only people profiting from this are far away from the frontline"
Like Putin.
"Try to see the human, and not some numbers or words that are shown on your screen"
It's a war... How naive are you? Do you think that Ukraine should just roll over and surrender to this aggressor? Like seriously, what is your solution here?
"My relatives have gone to war and some returned, some not"
That's how war works.
"But people on their couch with mobile phone love wars and people dying as long as the "right" people die"
If it was up to me I would end ALL wars across entire human history in instant, but its not, wars happen, we have one now, so what do you want here exactly? Pretend that its not happening? Should we start WW3? Because your solution for me to go there would be more or less result of WW3 where even more people would die and potentially entire world if diabolical Putin decides to push that red button...
Never supported wars, I don't support this war, but I do support Ukraine defending their own country from aggressors. It's kill or be killed situation, its basic self defense situation...
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@solofourohsixgaming
"explain to me how the sun appears bigger on the horizon then it does when it's overhead."
Not on camera. There might be a bloom due to sun light going through more of it near horizon to reach you. But using sun filters and picking day with clear sky will always show you same exact sun size, its nothing new, its simple fact that sun doesn't change size through entire day.
"Also you do realize anything caught on camera is still interpreted by your brain?"
You can literally COUNT pixels to determine difference... And there is none... Will you not argue that its not valid because you are using your brain?
"How exactly do you think our eyes work?"
Poorly, this is why correct experiments tend to exclude your actual eyes and gets replaced with actual technology which doesn't lie and isint biased.
"you are saying that the sun during noon, and the sun during rise and sunset appear to be the same size?"
Its doesn't appear, it is same size.
"The moon and the sun look identical during those times, meaning when overhead they look small, and on the horizon they appear to be bigger."
Again... Bloom... Have you ever looked at a old fashion light bulb? It looks big, but its not, its a tiny wire which produces light, just because it looks big to your eyes it doesn't mean that it is. You seriously never bothered to fact check this with actual sun filter?... Please... For your own sake, stop staring at sun without protective gear...
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@MorganHill8
In any case your testimony about Jesus would be the same, you can believe in flat earth, forest pixies, aliens, have 50 Nobel prizes and have IQ of 500, your testimony would still be the same, which is: without actual evidence its only your opinion/claim.
So yea, half way there, we will wait you on our side, dark side, we have cookies!!!
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@markiankchik1338
"well that is not what i was trying to say,"
Yet you said it. You literally said "So what you are saying is that 90% of people are wrong and only a small minority are correct?" which is argumentum ad populum logical fallacy. Amount of people believing X is not indication of it being true.
And to poke your wound here even more, majority of scientists, who have in average IQ by 25 higher then general public, are atheists. And there are basic studies done to show that increase in intelligence leads you to atheism. So even tho i never said what you implied that i said, you are in some way correct.
"what i was trying to say is that you obviously think that you are the smartest person on the planet"
And i never said that... I'm not a smartest, never was and never will be, so avoid misrepresenting what i said while i never said it.
"Rowbotham to prove that earth is flat is exactly the same as you are using to prove that there is no God"
That's false. Like those not even comparable... Shape of earth is a demonstrable, you can literally test shape of earth in multiple different ways and prove its shape with quite nice accuracy, can you do anything like this for God? No. Thing is, we dont need to disprove you god, YOU need to prove that god is real and any claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And then you have basic golden rule: "nothing exist until its proven to exist". Same as you dont believe that unicorns are not real, that magical space pixies are not real and so on. You dont need to disprove them, some one needs to prove that they are real. if you can disprove, cool, bonus for you..
And to be crystal clear here, atheism is NOT a claim that that god is not real, Atheism is lack of belief that god is real, AKA rejection of claim that god is real. Same as you reject claim that bigfoot is real or that unicorns are real and so on.
"And based on this i would say that both extremes are always kind of same, they just dont make any sense lol."
YEs, claiming that earth is flat and that god is real while having 0 evidence doesn't make any sense, i agree.
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@Lux
"I feel that you won't reply because it's too difficult to accept that the first human wasn't brought by the stork "
No, i dint addressed rest of your comments because it would have been huge waste of time. If we cant stay on one topic and we will have to jump all over the board, whats the point. Its already gets a long replies and for me to address 100 sentences from your each reply is just to much of time consuming thing to do... Lets stay on one topic at the time... One claim at the time...
"Common nouns don't feel (a chair doesn't) so are you a chair or a spirit moves your body?"
My brains move my body, feel free to prove it otherwise.
"as I know, the brain is the system that carries information to activate your bones and all your biological anatomy, not your personal desires and occurrences."
As i know, the brain is the system that carries electrical signal to and from it. It can send signals to your muscles (not bones) to make them contract. It can process input from your eyes or any other sensory input your body has, process and react accordingly. This is actually proven fact, by actual science and using actual evidence for it.
Damage brain and it can damage your entire personality, it can change you entirely, what you like and what you dislike. Damage brain and you can loose memories... Which should not happen if there is something else controlling your body which is outside your body... So sorry if reality is to painful for you, but reality doesn't give a sh*t about your personal wants, it is what it is.
"The evolution of hominids is the most stupid thing made official in science"
Just because you don't like it or you failed to understand it, doesn't make it false. Evolution is a fact, observable, demonstrable fact. This is why religious people started to adapt evolution into their religions, to make them coexist, even tho that demolishes quite few things from it, but well, whatever makes them happy.
"it's like a cat taking the shape of a witch with the passage of time."
Its called: argument from ignorance.
You have no idea how evolution works if you think that this sentence of yours is accurate representation of evolution.
"A total irrationality and yet you still believe it and those things are naturalized in schools."
Maybe because its actually supported by evidence and not by some old book of fables?
"Not even bible (old testament) can be credible and you know why. "
Correct, but evolution is true not because some book said so... So... What now?
"If you believe a monkey turns into a man,"
I dont believe that. Why you ask? because this is yet another argument from ignorance of yours, or more likely straw man argument. In any case, logical fallacy.
Humans dint evolved from monkeys, we and monkeys have common ancestor. You would known this if you had any idea what evolution is.
"then why would you deny God when He is about energy, light, air, water, earth, fire and wind?"
Maybe because there are no evidence to think that such magical being could exist? Why dont you believe that Voldemort is real? Its written in a book that he is... Your god and Voldemort share same amount of evidence: none. Yet you accept one and reject another, why?
"most of the time God is represented as a giant light like the sun."
And who cares? i could be represented and giant banana, would not change anything...
"People repeat nature is wise because works surprisingly and intelligently as if a superior entity manages it, well, that's it."
Yet its not. Which part of nature looks for you to be managed by intelligent being? and why?
"I can't prove my experience because you didn't live with me all these years"
Then your experience isint any different from people who claims to be abducted by aliens. We cant confirm their claims ether... So does that mean they are correct?
"Point blank, that belongs to your thirst to investigate and demolish your own myths, not mine."
What myths? Its not me who literally claims that magic is real... Its you... So prove that magic is real, then we will talk about your personal experience and its validity...
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@afterthestorm7012
"In the flat earth model the sun and the moon travel over the earth
in constantly changing rings depending on the season"
I know... This is why those 4 observations disprove flat earth model... They do not match...
"the sun does change in size"
No, its not. It was proven multiple times that its not... And just FYI talking about actual sun size, not a sun flare size... Because this is common mistake flat earthers make...
" It comes down to perspective"
False again. Actual perspective demonstrates that earth is not flat.
"just like looking down a set of railroad tracks"
Yes, and further object is smaller it will get, while sun doesn't change size. https://flatearth.ws/sun-apparent-size like this one, prime example that sun never changes size
"the horizon should drop below eye level but it does not"
While in reality it does... How did you tested this one? I'm like curious now, because i can bet that your test was more or less "Well it looked to me that its on same level"...
"buildings would look like they
are tipping away from the observer but they do not"
? You will get 1 degree lean FROM you every 111 km. ONE DEGREE FROM YOU. Longest photo taken on earths surface was from one huge mountain of another one at distance of 400km or something, so longest taken photo would have introduced less than 4 degrees lean FROM YOU which is literally impossible to detect, atleast not with "This look straight to me" method... Do you seriously think that you should see buildings at 5km at 45 degrees?...
"There should be some videos that haven't been scrubbed from the internet,
explaining all of this more completely"
There are, that youtube by keywords "flat earth debunked" you will get quite few of them and they will provide extensive explanation on all of those silly claims flat earthers make
"Now there are mostly debunking videos"
What videos are you talking about here exactly? You have millions of videos on youtube, you cant find one which explains basic geometry?...
"Why would
they remove them, if they didn't want us to see them?"
maybe because they never did removed them? And even if they did, its internet, you should be able to find anything you want at any place... You have dozens of flat earth web sites... They should contain your videos if they ever existed... But like seriously, what videos are you looking for? And by what keywords you did looked for them?
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"Don't fall of the ball"
? Its a ball... As gravity is a fact, you cant fall of the ball... But you could from your space pizza.
"Check Gleasons Map"
Yea, what about it? Its flat representation of globe earth... And?
"read Terra Firma by David Wardlaw Scott."
Why? If your best proof that earth is flat to suggest some ones book... Well... then you dont have any actual proof here. I can list you dozens of books written which talks about globe earth.. So what?
"Look up Admiral Byrds "Operation High Jump""
Look up... Reality...
You seriously trying to use some ones personal opinion based on personal experience that earth is flat?...
And do you even know what argument from authority is? Its a fallacy, logical one...
"Look up "Operation Fish Bowl""
Look up science book...
"Check out gyroscopes on planes, ships, and submarines. etc. etc."
What about them? They are self adjusting and compensates for earths curve... if you spent 10 seconds actually fact checking any of this shit, you would not be a flat earther, but you did not... So why should i bother rechecking your offered nonense? You failed to debunk 4 simple things about sun, and you spitting out random things here which cant even be verified, like your magical story about Byrd... Address 4 points about sun, if you manage to explain those without contradicting reality, then we can move to more complex things.
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"they found Noah's ark in the 80s measuring the same size the bible said it was built to"
? lets set some facts straight here. Global flood never happen based on evidence we have today. So even if there was a boat, that would not mean anything.
Second, how the hell do they know its Noah boat? Does it have license plate on it? Does it glow in dark? And Noah boat was "found" like 50 times already... And every time actual experts investigate that, it becomes yet another false story created by creationists...
"they also found Mt sinai where moses recieved the commandments along with the altar he built to god with all 12 pillars still there just in pieces"
Och, so by your logic spider man is real because New York is real?... having real places will not prove fantasy claims.
"they also found chariots and bones at the bottom of the red sea"
So it was impossible for some one to transport chariots and horses over the red sea and sink? This explanation is less likely then wizard spreading sea apart?...
"tell me how that shit got there"
No idea, same as you, i have no idea, so lets keep it at that until we will actually figure out cause of it instead of making shit up like you just did.
" media will never cover these things but I assure you its 100% living proof of our creator"
Majority of media is run by Christians and some of it by creationists... Yet its not covered by them... I wonder why... Maybe they understand how bollocks it is?
"also if all of this in the bible is true and you can see it for your own eyes maybe other parts of the bible hold truth as well,"
False. Having 9 true claims will not mean that next one will be too... Each claim requires separate evidence, you cant scream that 9 claims before it was true so this next one which claims that magic is real will be actually true just because you like it...
"like how on the first page it says our earth is flat with a dome over it"
Which is demonstrably false. basic observation of sun disproves this claim... And then you have like 100+ other things you can shatter flat earth claim... So you have atleast 2 false claims in your book: flat earth and global flood.
"but dont take it from me"
And i will not.
"pray to god and the truth will be revealed to you my friend."
Why? Is he too lazy to reveal truth? Why the hell do i need to engage in self deception before he could reveal truth to me? I'm following where evidence leads, you made shit up and trying to find evidence which fits that while ignoring everything else...
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But this is the one of many issues, due to you needing to replace big chunks of your cars on regular basis, like every 5 years or so, costs of owning cars like that will simply be too high for regular people, on top of you needed to constantly recycle (duno how much you could actually recycle those tanks) and remake one. I mean, its good business for car manufacturer as everyone will be basically paying subscription fee to keep driving their cars, not that fun for customer.
At the moment coating with ceramics helps out to minimize hydrogen embrittlement, but even then, those expiration dates are already with top notch protections, so it's not like you could buy one from Wish and expect it to last.
And just FYI currently majority of hydrogen is being produced from natural gas, as its cheaper than to make it from water. Try to guess if this helps out with co2 offsetting...
Is hydrogen better than petrol/diesel cars? Yea, from the standpoint of it being cleaner. Is it better for customer? No. Even BEV's are cleaner when it comes to co2 footprint from end to end, not by much, but still cleaner and avoids majority of the issues relating to hydrogen cars. This is why 99.9% of all hydrogen car promoting people will try to sell it on the point that it refuels in only 5 minutes... Like that really matters when you can recharge from any wall socket...
We have alternative, its BEV's, trying to shift towards a worse option just makes no sense. While we need to transition to renewables, hydrogen isint the solution.
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@RainbowRising
Full battery technologies, BEV's. Those keep improving constantly without any real limit on sight. While initial cost might be higher, what it offers can and does usually offset that over few years of usage. And transition to BEV's is really simple for the customer, you could basically just charge your car at home over night and never ever visit recharging station, you could even charge it from your own solar panels.
Its the most efficient way to move you from point A to point B. Like if you tried to compare energy usage between BEV and Hydrogen car, you will need around 60% more for hydrogen car to travel same distance due to the fact that you need to convert energy into hydrogen and then hydrogen back into energy, which will have huge amounts of energy loss in that process.
Where hydrogen could work out is bigger things, like ships, planes, trains, semi's and so on, which could have their own refueling stations with their own team of people which keeps them running at relatively low costs due to it being done in house, but hydrogen will never work for regular passenger cars.
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@DoubleMrE
"Elon isn’t a rocket scientist either"
Do you need PhD diploma do be rocket scientist? Like seriously, how does one become rocket scientist? Is it only PhD? No need to know anything about anything, you just need to have PhD in rocket science? And yes, having PhD doesn't actually indicate how much you know about this topic.
" can’t cite a scientific paper off the top of my head"
Because it doesn't exist.
"but I have seen several PhD biologists and physiologists say that human beings can’t live permanently in a 1/3 G environment"
Why not? Who ever tested human biology in 1/3 of earths gravity? No one, because we never had option to do it, ever. So people who made those claims are either plain out lying or to stupid to realize that they are lying.
We don't know how human bodies would react to 1/3 of gravity, we ONLY have examples of 1G and 0G for longer periods of time, we have NO examples of people living in 1/3G for longer periods, this is simply the fact.
"The normal development and health of our bodies depend on Earth’s 1 G gravity field"
Is it tho? Cite me peer reviewed scientific paper saying that human bodies can't survive in 1/3 of gravity for longer periods of time. Not asking of anecdotal evidence, as I can cite you PhD biologist who says that evolution is not real... Like, yes, seriously, we have wackos with PhD's, shocker...
"And a human child born on Mars would never develop normal bones and muscles."
Normal for what? Earths environment? Why would he need it if he would be living on mars?
In general I can go back to the same point: Citation is needed from peer reviewed scientific paper which says that humans can't live on Mars.
I'm not talking about general posible issues, talking about actual unsolvable issues...
Its like saying that humans can't live in space because there is no air... Well clearly we figure out solution for that one... Isn't it?...
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"The airplane with the level is one of many ways to prove the earth is flat. "
Yet in actual reality BOTH model would produce same exact results... So how exactly does this level experiment proves that earth is flat and not a globe? What do you expect to observe if earth was a globe?
"Let's not forget the pyramids of giza were built by using the stars"
As related to the shape of earth as caramel icecream...
"This is your curvature theory you round earther."
Your terrible eye sight is not a curvature or even vanishing point...
" Water is flat, which is why we use cups"
What? like seriously, what?
"With over 300 or more satellites in orbit"
Its actually around 6000
" the round earthers would have no problem winning this debate"
And we dont have any problems winning this "debate", it was won 2300 years ago
"One more thing science theory always are changing from this to that"
not always, some times, to more accurate one if new evidence comes along. What's your issue with that? Science is not a religion, if new evidence comes, it will change previous theory to fit new one. Or adjust existing number to more accurate one, like age of earth, its always over 4billion years, its only getting more accurate with new technology we get.
"Then you wonder why the flat earth movement is getting larger and larger."
Its not getting larger, its getting smaller. You simply got means to get into contact with flat earthers across entire world, which isint indication of anything.
I mean, c'mon, lets be real here, i can bet you will even fail to explain how perspective works, let alone provide actual flat earth model without contradictions. You will never prove your case here, we dont live in stone age anymore.
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@chrisross4898
"my friend if I wanted to troll.....don't know what that is. "
If you dont know what that is, why do you imply that you are not doing that?
"In 2002 in Kandahar Afghanistan they killed a giant. Tried to find information about this, the only thing is the soldiers who lived to tell they're story"
So they killed giant and evidence for that is some one saying that it happen?... Ok... Sounds convincing...
And define giant... I once had a long conversation with some one about giants and then he simply defined a giant as a tall person, like 2.2 meters in height... Wow... Giant...
"Back to the point their are people in our government who made deals with the ones in Antarctica that I heard"
Cool that you hear random stories, but do you have any actual evidence here? And how is this related to the shape of earth?
"There is more, they are say that they are portals and they are going to open up this month of March sometime after 16"
So when match ends we can call bullshit on your claim after nothing happens? Atleast you give a short time frame. Usually people simply say that in near future something will happen without specifying actual date, you on another hand have only 2.5 weeks left to be shown to be wrong.
" You dont have to believe in anything that I say to you but it's TRUE."
And i will not believe that and you can say that its true, will not make it so.
"I heard of a report of people going thru portals."
And i heard of a report people being probed by magical forest pixies... I guess i should avoid going to forests from now on...
"I know this sounds crazy."
Yes, if we would scale something from 0 to 10, where 10 is batshit crazy, your claims would be around 8.5
" Look it up for yourself. It on gaia.com."
Why i'm not surprised that your link leads to some site which offers paid services or sells books?... If some one has such world changing information and puts it behind paywall, its more or less 100% chance that its all bullshit. You have been duped, conned, they simply want your money and you willingly give them for some fantasy stories.
"My friend these are scientists, real scientists talking. "
Con artists. They might be real scientists, yet still con artists. And avoid making such argument, its basic argument from authority fallacy.
"If you debunk them, then you are plugged into the matrix"
I dont need to debunk them, they need to prove their case, if they cant, as they cant, then we can dismiss their batshit crazy claims as invalid without any need to present any counter evidence.
So yea, no idea if you are trolling or just got conned by some con artists, but in any case... Its just sad...
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@JoseRodriguez-rx4ck
You do understand that this video is generic propaganda clickbait one? Title alone proves that. Hydrogen combustion engine is most stupid idea ever. We already have hydrogen fuel cell technology which is TWICE the efficiency, so combustion engine is straight away non starter here.
There wont be hydrogen combustion engine in any practical way ever. We have cars like Mirai which has 3 huge hydrogen tanks to achieve 400 mile range with TWICE the efficiency technology, mirai itself is already bulky and interior quite cramped, so you can't really go any higher on hydrogen capacity than that, which means that combustion engine car would achieve at best 200mile range. Do you see potential issue here?
Car companies might do some real tests and some fakes ones just to tick a box of "We are in a green sphere!!!" and that's that. They are not obligated to actually make it real and honestly making a random hydrogen combustion car concept produces better advertisement for the company than Superbowl one, and its cheaper.
When it comes to batteries, its the way to go. We have multiple types of batteries with different capabilities and quite few are really promising tho only in lab settings, some are extremely good like carbon nanotube ones, but scaling production of those is a challenge on its own. At the end of the day, its still battery technology, we know that it works, we know that it works really good, its most efficient one, provides most convenience for the user, cheapest to operate. While hydrogen is just there, as a secondary option which doesn't work and doesnt' scale, so why even bother wasting time and money on it?
Hydrogen combustion engine was invented in 1806, more than 200 years ago, it barely increased in efficiency for past who knows how many decades, because its already at its peak performance and it sucks, especially for regular passenger cars. No escaping that. Just like having steam engine in passenger car would make zero sense and would make no sense to invest billions in development when you could invest that money in something better.
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@allthatyoutouch3164
I din't say that there are no flat earth maps, I said that there are no maps which match reality... I can give you map of Mordor, will not make it true... Is it?
"Maybe YOU don't know how to research to find them."
Maybe YOU don't even understand what I am asking here? So will repeat: There are not WORKING models of flat earth. I am not asking for a map of flat earth, I was asking for a model... Do YOU even understand difference between those? And to clarify, not asking of physical model of that imaginary world, asking for a model which would explain how shit works in that imaginary world.
"Globe earth maps are not accurate either."
Which ones? Flat ones? Yes, those are not accurate because its 2d representation of 3d objects... Those can't be accurate. But globes are accurate.
" You seem like One of those who think they know all about a person from a few comments on the internet."
I have seen and engaged in quite few conversations like this and I know where it's going and how little actual research you have done here. Let me guess, you never fact checked anything, you just watched few videos on youtube and read few comments on facebook or twitter or similar site? The fact that you thought that I am asking for a map of flat earth when I asked for a working model indicates that you are really new here, most likely stumbled upon this entire topic last month or so and now just trying to spread this "new" information without realization how unprepared you are.
"I shouldn't tell you much about me because you are arrogantly pushing globe earth. "
Globe earth is a fact, its not being arrogant to push a fact... Its you being ignorant about basic reality for you to deny basic facts from reality.
"You say the flat earth breaks the laws of physics"
PLEASE.... For your own sake... Learn to read... I dint say that flat earth brakes laws of physics, what I ACTUALLY said was that all existing flat earth models cant work with existing laws of physics and for them to be valid those would need to brake laws of physics. Earth could still be flat without breaking laws of physics, but there are no models of it which actually does that. Learn to read...
"but you have curved water all over a Ball"
Yes... We call that gravity... Another fact from reality... And this actually works on globe model, differently than flat earthers explanation of density which can't explain shit why objects fall down.
"and many other things that don't make sense."
Who cares that those things don't make sense for you? Its still true, just because you can't understand something will not make it false.
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@allthatyoutouch3164
"So you know how to find flat earth models on the internet. Good. Then why are you asking me ?"
Still having trouble with reading I see?... Ok, will try this one more time, maybe third time is a charm with people like you, try to read my sentence slowly, if needed you can do it multiple times, no one will judge.
What I asked was WORKING flat earth model. Will repeat, maybe you are incapable of saying capitalized words, soooo, give me working flat earth model. Working. Models with actually matches observable reality. Model which is based on what we can observe. Working model.
Was I clear enough for you now? Should I repeat? WORKING MODEL. Do you understand now? Do you?
I think my dog can get this point across faster than you... Why is that?
"Someone you think is stupid ? "
Not stupid, but ignorant, closed minded, brainwashed.
"Globe earth models aren't accurate either"
Name me ONE inconsistency with globe model... I will wait... And as you can't do it, could you stop lying or spreading your personal ignorance here?
"gravity is is a word globe earthers use to save them when they have no explanation."
Or... Just hear me out here... Or gravity is actually real and it actually explain all those things?... Have you ever considered this possibility?
And once again... EVEN if earth was actually space pancake, globe model and gravity as its part would still work as it is presented, you literally failing to understand actual model here, we are not even talking about actual shape of earth now, we are talking about your lack of capabilities to understand presented models... Gravity is part of globe model which explains quite few things, this is the case independent of actual shape of earth, your personal ignorance will not change that.
So, once more, give me WORKING flat earth model. WORKING. working. wORKING. wOrKiNg.
Trying out different capitalizations here in hopes that one of those will stick and you can actually read it and understand.
To clarify it even more and you will fail it. There are dozens of flat earth models on internet, I am yet to see actually WORKING model because ALL of them have issues with basic observations we have every day from actual reality. Soooooo, give me WORKING model. WOOOOOOORRRRRRKKKKKKIIIIIINNNNGGGGGGG model.
Dun't know how much clear I can be here, but lets see if you can understand what I was asking here.
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Just because he bought BEV startup which was basically non existing on the market, doesn't mean that it somehow negates what Tesla achieved. Rocket are not soviet design, Musk stated multiple times that he wanted to buy some engines from Russians, but they asked to much for those, so he (Musk) decided to make his own, and now we have Raptor 3.
For your last statement, honestly, world needs someone who wants to allow actual free speech, Musk or someone else, but world needs to get its freedom to say what it want's to say, and heck, leftists are not the party which will allow that any time soon.
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@silo3com
I mainly don't own it because I rarely drive in general, if I was using my car daily then it would make sense to get an BEV, but when I use it maybe max twice in a week to get to local grocery store is just doesn't make any sense. I'm actually looking for a new car, new used car, was thinking about BEV, but that one would cost like 30k, my aim for a budget is tops 15k as there is no point for me to spend more than this on a car which will spend most of its time rusting in my driveway. Tho car after this one will most likely be BEV, especially if next 25k generation comes out in that time.
"Used Tesla vehicles are very readily available from Hertz rentals at a steep discount"
I'm not from US... Shocker... I know... But there are more than single country in the world. You could have guessed that part from by broken English on your own.
In my country you can see supercharge as often as you can see Bugatti near dollar store... Sadly our country isn't being prioritized for BEV's, even tho I keep seeing increased about of BEV's on the roads.
"This is magical thinking from EV fans who live in a delusional world."
Did you had any actual point here? BEV's are more expensive than ICE cars, ok, its like saying "grass is green", we got it, we know... Point about BEV's is that it is cheaper to travel with those and it requires basically zero maintenance, so that difference in initial costs will melt down over few years. Side thing would be that it's more environmentally friendly.
Are you just like someone who got but hurt by buying BEV because you forgot to double check your electricity prices before buying it? Or was that BEV so bad that you regretted buying it? Which BEV did you got?
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@penguin82875
There is difference between knowing that earth is a sphere and what bible says...
It was you who came here with those verses, cherry picked verses. Actual word is used as "circle", aka flat disk. Majority of translations have been made in that way because this is how it translates, because this is what original writers intended to say, because original writers used their beliefs at that time and common belief was that earth is flat. It was you who failed to give valid verse where it says that earth is a sphere, not me. So give me a verse which actually says that earth is spherical... Not cherry picked translation, but actual verse which actually translates from Hebrew to mean spherical.
Some extra verses for you to think about while you do your homework here:
"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "
"Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) "
""He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)""
""He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)""
""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)""
""that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)""
""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)""
Now, give me one which implies earth to be spherical, I will wait.
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@tiggerthemighty8279
"Can we sustain the mining operations required for EV growth?"
Yes.
"'Can we fix the e-waste issues unrecycled batteries create?"
Yes. Batteries are being recycled and in general you can recycle like 95% or even more of the old battery and reuse materials for the new ones. What is ironic at the moments is that there isn't enough old BEV batteries to be recycled yet as those lasted longer than expected, so not many recycling plants have been built, as there isn't batteries to be recycled in mass, yet.
"Can EVs manage to improve in the secondary market where values drop almost 10 times as fast as ICE cars and buyer confidence appears to be dropping faster than the used cars' prices?"
Example Depreciation Curves
BEV:
Year 1: -25%
Year 2: -20%
Year 3: -15%
Year 4: -10%
Year 5: -8%
Year 6+: Gradual decline influenced by battery health and market trends.
ICE:
Year 1: -20%
Year 2: -15%
Year 3: -12%
Year 4: -10%
Year 5: -8%
Year 6+: Steady decline based on age, mileage, and condition.
Doesn't look like there is your 10x anywhere.
"Just like it will tell buyers if EV ranges will ever reach the numbers 'promised' 10 years ago."
Which would be what? How much do you want and how much to you actually need? And there is BEV with 500 mile range, so how much more do you need?
"same coal fired grid"
How is that even related? Grid is being shifted towards renewables, majority of electricity should be coming from renewables, just because there are still few coal ones will not really impact anything here. At the end of the day its still cleaner option than ICE cars.
"You can't paste luxury sport packages over real world problems and call it progress."
EVERYTHING was a luxury at the start. Look t first LCD tv's, 13 inches for 4000 bucks, now you can get one for like 100 bucks with better quality. We got real BEV's like a decade ago, which is still quite new technology as no one wanted to invest billions into R&D without knowing that it will pay off, but look at all new battery technologies being presented now from dozens of companies. We even have carbon nanotube batteries which are exponentially better, issue is just with production scalability which needs to be solved and if it is then that's that.
There isint perfect solution here, every single technology has its own drawbacks, but at the moment BEV's at he best option we have and simplest one to transition into. As a reminder, we have over 3 000 000 BEV charging stations, while there are under 1000 hydrogen ones in entire world. This excludes the fact that you can charge your car at home, so people outside cities and living in their private homes could avoid visiting charging stations entirely, they can even charge their cars with few solar panels...
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@louis_the_hedgehog
Because you want to add extra equipment, extra batteries, yes batteries, you can't have solar panels on rocket which isn't in stable orbit... And you think that this would increase payload capacity... IT WILL NOT. You can check how crammed rocket bottoms are already, where do you suppose to show those breeze creating engines? How much extra weight do you think you could lift off if all of that extra stuff had 0kg weight? It would be in few kg's, only few KG's, because again, electric engines are shit when it comes to actual power of thrust while taking up proportionally huge amount of space.
If a craft is in orbit then it can use electric engine, just like what Starlink satellites already using, basically what all satellites uses, already. But this ONLY works because you don't really care how long it takes for it to produce thrust, you just need thing which could generate it. Starlinks generally takes from several weeks to several months to get into correct position after they get deployed by rocket. Why is that? Because light breeze takes time to add up useful thrust.
At this point I don't even know what point you even trying to make here. Electric engines are being used, they have been used for decades by now, when its suitable for the task. Those are never been used for lift off or anything what requires fast gain of speed. So what is your point here what isn't already being done?
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Alyosha
"You would conclude someone with intelligence, in this case your mom, made that message."
Did it? most reasonable conclusion would be that some one arranged those letters, but fun thing is that its possible for a random chance to arrange those letters too... So how do you know that its not a random chance?
"We never observe nature writing messages, it always comes from an intelligent being. "
We imbue meaning to those symbols... Same as you are going to make fallacious argument that DNA is a code or language... Its not... Not even close...
"How then, can the first strands of DNA from the first life forms suddenly appear?"
Now, go and ask actual biologist or any expert from this particular field this same question, lets see how many of them will laugh at your face...
it dint appeared from nothing in an instant, it was gradual change... Evolution... Please read something about it before you make such questions...
"This is not a false analogy"
Its not even a analogy, its completely different topic by itself.
"Even an Amoeba which we call primitive, has 290 billion base pairs, which is an alphabet of 4 letters"
Riiiight, and if i split a rock in two and attach letters for each bump i can have a entire book of "code"... Doesn't make it a code tho...Definitely not a "code" which requires a coder.
"This is not a "God of the gaps" fallacy"
Well no, its special pleading fallacy on top or argument from ignorance with some sprinkles of argument from personal incredulity....
Who created god? By your logic intelligence can only come from intelligence, so who created your god? As everyone is already aware, your answer will be special pleading fallacy where you will say something like "God doesn't need creator, he is eternal" then why does universe needs one or life in general?
" because I've given positive evidence"
That wasn't evidence, it was empty assertions... There are countless videos addressing silliness of watch maker argument you just made here, go watch them before you try to use it in a conversation like this...
" the 290 billion base pair string, that intelligence is involved"
So is i find split rock in half which is perfect match to another peace lying nearby, does this mean that it was created by intelligence?
And just once more: Evolution.
"It would be "Naturalism of the gaps" to just say it must be natural because we can't accept intelligent causes."
it would be irrational to say that it was made by god because we don't have natural explanation currently...
And to end this one, Miller–Urey experiment demonstrated that life can originate from none life material in natural conditions without intelligence involved. This dint proved how life originated on earth, but... There is a kicker for you: we know that life CAN originate from none life material while you cant even demonstrate possibility of some being you call god existing... One of those is shown to be possible, one is not... Try to guess which is which...
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@JerryRigEverything
But you are. Towing capacity 11 000, that's mostly horizontal load, while you done test on vertical axis, which usually is rated to 10-15% of towing capacity. There is a reason why so many people pointing this one out, because you screwed it up big time.
To put it simply for you, vertical load for CT is rated at like 1100, so it would have been a big issue for Tesla if it broke around that number, but it went more than 9x before critical failure, yet you made it look like its the world ending results.
Well, you got your clicks I guess, so this is what matters most for you and not objective testing.
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@derks0
First of all, majority of hydrogen cars are not burning hydrogen. Hydrogen fuel cell is a thing.
Second, I haven't heard of a single country which would move towards hydrogen grid network, care to provide one name? And care to explain what exactly you mean by "hydrogen grid network"
Third, yes, governments can have better understanding than some scrubs on internet, this is why governments are not really investing into hydrogen.
You are yet to explain how is hydrogen grid scalable when BEV's need 60% less of that grid to be scaled. Or are you just saying that its scalable due to the fact that you can scale anything independent how hard and worthless it would be...?
From what you said so far there was only one thing I could agree with you, is that hydrogen better suitable for things like ships due to extra space it has for all that hydrogen and ability to have centralized hydrogen distribution centers. Everything else is just... Weird... At best.
Och, another thing about your "scalability". One hydrogen station to build costs around 1 million bucks, while one BEV station costs around 50k, while hydrogen station will have allot more maintenance costs associated with it. So I have no idea how hydrogen is a better scalability in your reality.
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@garry69696
10 times less? You can buy Tesla for 40k, are you saying that you could buy new car for 4k with same features Tesla offers?...
And while BEV battery fires are dangerous, those are generally slow, so if we would talk about car crashes then you will have plenty of time to get out of your car, with hydrogen cars, well, if that tank raptures and you get a spark, well... It will vaporize you in few milliseconds, so i guess its a better way to die...
And you will be paying crap ton more for everything, this is why currently some car companies selling hydrogen cars gives 15k on fuel as a bonus. Why do you think this is the case? Because it will cost you crap ton of money... Mirai, hydrogen car, has like 400 mile range, has 5kg tank, while one kg can be around 20-35 bucks, so you are looking at 100-160 bucks per 400 miles. Now check it with BEV's... That price will go down to like 30 bucks if you used superchargers, less if you charged at home. Do you see potential long term issue here?...
Then add exponentially higher maintenance costs...
And just FYI Toyota Mirai starts at 50k, so its initial price is higher than BEV's, its fuel more expensive, its maintenance is higher... So stop dreaming about something what isint real.
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So by your logic we should ignore every single problem in the world and only concentrate on one single biggest issue? So lets ignore wars and concentrate on global warming, because global warming will kill more people? Do you see issue here?
"If it isn’t true and you think it’s so silly than who cares why make this video"
Because unchecked stupidity will cause harm... How do you think religions have been created?... If you allow some one to spread lies you will get even more people believing that nonsense, its called: brainwashing.
"The last I heard the earth was an oblate spheroid. Or pear shaped but I guess not we are back to the round ball? Ok."
Well you are prime example. You never fact checked, you never spend 5min google search to actually figure out why its sometimes labeled as sphere and some times as oblate spheroid or even pear shaped.
So let me do your job here: Earth on grand scale is a sphere, perfect sphere. Its rounder than bowling bawl. On another hand if you would use accurate measurements you will have difference between height and width, which is around 0.33% difference. Which makes it oblate spheroid. If you want to be even more accurate then you will have bottom part of sphere slightly wider than top part, its even less difference than 0.33%, which makes it some what pear shaped.
To put it simply, earth is always a sphere, but depending on how much accuracy you need for the conversation you will ether call it a sphere, oblate spheroid or oblate spheroid which is slightly wider on bottom. Do you get it now?
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@johnlindeman8172
"scientists who are really the modern day priest class"
While in reality, they are not. Science doesn't even come close to religions... Comparing them with priests only shows how ignorant you are on scientific methods. In science you can become famous for proving some one wrong, in religion you can be put to death for simply questioning some one... There is no comparison between them... Never was, never will be.
"Some scientists believe that the more they learn the more they realize they don’t know and that’s why so many things change"
generalising
"I know I can google stuff but I’m not gonna waste to much time on the flat earth more should anyone because these people won’t listen to a single thing you say because it goes against what the believe is fact"
I have learned quite few things while debunking flat earthers claims, i could even dare to say that i have learned more while talking with them then i did in middle school when it comes to physics and any stuff related to flat earthers claims.
"I was watching a NASA video and the engineer doing the video was explaining how they haven’t quite figured out how to get a manned craft to pass threw the radiation belts"
have you watched it without cherry picking one part of it? And do you even know what is this radiation belt? Or how we simply went around it when we went to moon? He is correct that we cant go trow this radiation belt, but we can go around it... Which is not convenient, but with that time technology it was only option. Currently i dont know, there are plans to go back to moon in couple years, so we will see like 4k 60fps video from moon.
But in general, when you get questions like that, simply google it out... Because you literally having issues in understanding what this astronaut meant by it and instead or factually researching it you will simply think that maybe we never went to moon...This is how flat earther is born... Laziness...
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@yestervue4697
"Well?"
What's well? You are not priority in my life, when I'm in a mood to go through youtube comments, I will.
"SHOW me ANYTHING....do it"
I have presented observable things YOU can do yourself. This is basic geometry, its not some random claim you could never confirm to be true, its basic geometry... Yet that was not even for you... So what do you want to get? A ticket to space?...
"If this globe earth is indeed fact we should be OOZING with proof you can see with your own eyes"
And we are. You cant even address basic observation of sun which contradicts flat earth and supports globe, not even talking about dozens of other points proving globe earth, but if you cant even understand basic geometry, which is only requirement for my sun example, then anything else i have to present will fly over your head even more.
"not a single picture of it exists"
We have thousands of those and we have videos. At moment you explain how you determined that 100% of those are fake and present actual method you used to determine this, you simply making shit up here to feel better.
"You guys believe in a religion, a dream that only exists in calculations"
Let me guess, you are Christian? Or some one who has its own religion and a dream that only exists in a book?
"it is a religion and a religion must be taken on faith"
So you admit that you have shitty position here? That your position is based on religion which is based on faith? Well thanks, I already knew this, but atleast now we know that you know this too.
"Do you even understand the definition of faith?"
Thinking that something is true without any supporting evidence? Like flat earth? Yea, i know.
"Does your chin hurt?"
Not really, i have comfortable pillow, sleeped like a baby. You?
"POST ANYTHING YOU CAN SEE"
Again, observation of sun. Can't you see a sun from your basement? Should i pick something different? What's your issue here exactly?
" At least say something original..."
So basically when some one asks: what is 2+2? I should say "banana", because saying "4" would be just same old not a original answer... Ok... Good to know... I will stick to old ways, as i like reality and accurate answers.
"I believe what can be shown..."
Nice, then show us that earth is flat, we will wait.
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@ozziejim8472
Well if you mean by "dumb" that they are acting irrationally, then yea. But that's again isint their fault, atleast for most of them. I was a believer, because there was no reason not to. My parents said there is god, everyone around me believed that there is one, so i believed that there is one, because i had no reason to question it. With years this belief some what faded away, or atleast i cared less and less about it and as my parents dint really pushed it hard on us it eventually just faded out, i would have still said that i'm a believer and all that jazz, but i simply dint think about it at all, for couple years. Then i stumbled upon some atheists shows, started to watch, realized that religions are bollocks. I dint gained any IQ points, i just learned what is critical thinking, why some arguments cant be used and why some can, what counts as evidence and what evidence you would need for something like a god claim.
From childhood up to becoming atheist, i cant really say i behaved dumb, i simply accepted something as true as there was no reason to reject it. majority of believers are on same level, they are not dumb, just been convinced that something is true and when you have everyone around you agreeing with that, then its quite hard to start considering that entire world view you have is actually bollocks.
Anyways, went into tangent here... Believers can behave dumb, but they are not dumb.
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Kesha Kennon
"so not only are you insisting they're all bad, you're insisting people don't have a right to religious beliefs.
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Definition of bollocks: nonsense; rubbish (used to express contempt or disagreement, or as an exclamation of annoyance).
Which part of this definition includes words "bad" or that they don't have right to religious beliefs? You literally thinking on religious level, you see something what is not there... And just because we have thousands of random religions across world has no general value in general. There are no good things which cant be achieved throw secular means, so yea, religions are bollocks.
"This is such an insensitive thing to say that it borders on extremist"
While in reality its not. Christianity is not based on evidence, which means that people who thinks that its factual was ether brainwashed by some one or they engaged in self deception.
And just a fact that in majority of cases children will have same religion as their parents shows that religion is indoctrinated into them. Brainwashing is just another term which perfectly fits religions, after all, you literally have people who used multiple means to control people, usual method is to say "This book said so, so you must obey"
"Saying Christians are brainwashed is like Conservapedia ( which is also insensitive for its hostility towards atheists) saying that, and I quote, "Atheists are sociopaths". See the similarities in those two sayings?"
Not even on same category... Which is even more ironic that atheists in general are less prone to commit crimes than religious people, but besides this fact, Christians in general are result of brainwashing, why do you think one of the most common reasons why theist became atheist is actually reading their holly book? Because they never questioned their religions before, which means that their religion is based on some ones word, aka indoctrination, aka brainwashing. I was a believer for like 12 first years of my life, dint had any reason o question things my parents or surrounding people said to me. I was indoctrinated and brainwashed into religion, luckily due to low exposure to religion in later years it slowly faded away and at some point i actually started to question it which quickly lead me into deconversion because religions are bollocks...
Religions are as useful as belief in thot fairy or belief in Santa, it could be easy escape when telling children about world, but that is not the best way to do it, especially when you have grownups still believing in Santa and trying to push laws based on what Santa wants...
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@jaynenord101
"Sorry but you can't just say I'm wrong and the 6" per mile squared curvature calculation is wrong"
First of all, it should have been8 and not 6, atleast that is common flat earther claim. Next. This equation creates parabola, not a circle... Third... Where do you insert observers and observed objects altitude? Nowhere... This is why its bonkers to use this magical equation, its worthless at best.
" Please give specific details so we can calculate it and perhaps end the debate there."
Go to google and enter "earth curvature calculator" you will get multiple results with online calculators which actually include ACTUAL equations which SHOULD be used when calculating things like that.
"Gravity is a theory and interestingly the word hypothesis is listed as synonym for theory and vice versa. . . "
Scientific theory is a model created from all known evidence and data, its fact based best current explanation for given question.
Please learn what scientific theory is before you expose your ignorance on this topic again.
"Since admittedly Gravity is a hypothesis only it can not be used to PROVE anything"
Still false. Gravity is a fact. So let me educate you little bit here.
To simplify label Gravity: attraction between objects with mass.
Cavendish experiment demonstrates just like that, there is attraction between any objects with mass, aka gravity is a fact.
"both water properties and the void of space next to the molecules of our atmosphere."
Vacuum doesn't suck... Again, use google or search on youtube, there are dozens of videos explaining that with pictures and stuff....
"Nasa means deception in Hebrew"
Jayne Nord
means liar in trolish language...
Once again, lets educate you on basic reality: N.A.S.A stands for National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Its abbreviation, not some secret word... And... For f**ks sake... NASA is 100% irrelevant to the shape of earth...
"Nasa themselves have admitted to losing the technology"
Yes... It literally burned in earths atmosphere... AKA loosing it... They dint said that they lost blue prints, they said that they lost physical thing... Please, watch entire video instead of cherry picking one sentence from it...
"Please give the exact means by which the land line was connected and how that works in detail please so I can verify the technology."
Can you teach of quantum mechanics in a 2 sentences? No? Why not? Would take too long?... Exactly... We are not here to teach you such things, if you want to learn, go learn... You have access to internet, use it.
"again words have meaning and they are telling you in plain sight what they actually are"
Word "set" has over 300 meanings, so i would recommend for you te rethink your sentence... Like carefully rethink it... Couple times... like 300+ times until you realize how badly you f**ed up here.
"yet not looking as saddened and at a loss for words as those men who should have still been pumped up on the adrenalin from their experience. "
Is not peoples emotional expression become evidence of something?... We know that earth is a globe not because we have astronauts...
"I would also like to know more about how the north star has moved when it is still used for navigation"
Maybe because its movement is really small?... Do you seriously think that north star should have moved to another side or something?... Have you even checked time frame for noticeable change to happen with it?
"Also explain how it is that Galileo was never put to death over his "heretical hypothesis" regarding the cosmology of the earth when that was the normal practice of the day? "
Do you seriously asking why some one was no killed just because he had different idea of earth surface?... Ask religious people... Tho Galileo went into prison for that, so he dint avoided punishment.
"Could it be because he was what today we would call "controlled opposition" ?"
Or maybe because it would be to much for religious people to kill some famous scientist just because he questioned their book?
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@tonytony978
"Beat in what exactly?"
Everything except max range, at the moment. Tho this will change too in next decade.
"Can your golf car tow cars?"
Yes.
"Can your electric mower pack up a family and go on 500 km trip?"
Yes. Lucid Air Dream Edition gets you around 800km of range from one charge. Welcome to 2023.
Tho I have no idea why you would want to drive more than 200km without stopping somewhere to stretch your legs or similar. And during that time you can happily top up your EV. Its basically none issue, people traveled across entire USA multiple times with EV's and had no actual issues. You being scared of something you don't understand will not change anything here.
"And what when you lose capacity of your batteries in few years?"
You keep using it... it's not like battery capacity will become 5% in few years... You will lose some, but in general it's nothing magical.
"Then spend another 20 000$ to keep going?"
Looks like you seriously think that in few years EV's become bricks with zero range...
"EV will in city surely but exchange normal cars never"
Every expert disagrees with your obviously personal ignorant opinion here. Why is that?
EV's are on rise, new battery technologies are basically discovered/invented every single year, or multiple times in a year. Their performance is increasing, their cost is going down. Battery degradation is basically going away. And on and on and on and on and on...
There is a reason why basically all car manufacturers switching to electric, because this is the future we have to go into. You can't burn dinosaurs for ever here, sooner or later we will have to switch to something what is powered by renewables, so why not sooner and minimize pollution? And yes, EV's are greener than ICE cars even if you would use todays electricity production and include coal power plants, EV's are still greener, and this will only improve in time.
ICE cars will be as common as horses are now, you can still ride one if you wish, but it will be just that, someone's hoby outside cities.
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@wearabo
You have right to live in Texas too, but you already said that you will not live there just because Musk is in same state, so by this logic you should stop living on earth, maybe buy a ticket to Mars with first wave from Musk or something? It would be extra ironic, but you would achieve your goal. Tho, that said, Musk lives in this Solar system too, so you might want to travel further away.
Like, how far away you should go from person you don't like to be comfortable? Is there specific distance or is it just bound to the states? Could you live 5 meters apart as long as he lives in different state than you?
And just FYI Musk isn't my hero, he does bunch of dumb shit, but being generic Musk hater doesn't help you out here. And I have no real interest to go to Mars at this moment, will wait until there is actual properly livable colony before even attempting to consider that option.
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@PinkbombUK
I'm not talking about special tiny areas, was talking about actual whole cities... After all those block your precious view of stars... So should we enforce for ALL cities to basically cut off electricity at night? Should we change our life just because 0.013% (actual number of people who looks at stars with telescopes) of humans? Should we stop technological progress just because 0.013% of humans have extra troubles looking at sky?... I don't like street lights, should I just smash those? Like, at which point does this become ridiculous for you? What is the percentage of humans which gets inconvenient by a thing when we should start hampering something? If SpaceX launches space telescope for public use, would you ten be happy?
No idea why you even want to imply that I would have said that Musk does it out of altruism... Its a business... Just like every other... You can't launch thousands of satellites without it being some sort of business.
Will put it in different analogy here. At one point horses got outlawed from public roads. Was it a good or bad thing? Well, it was good for road safety, did some horse riding fans got offended by them no longer being able to go to their local grocery store to buy milk with their mule? Yes. Should we just said "F**k those pesky cars, we offended 0.013% of people, let keep using horses!!!"
You sound selfish, honestly. Instead of providing cheap internet to remote places on earth to start educate people on the world you just want to look at sky instead... Like, c'mon...
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@skuggeboy
"So you call it complaining and hating that somebody mentions a possible problem that could affect our planet?"
Correct. As you don't have any actual numbers you objectively have no grounds to say that something is bad, as for something to be bad you would need to prove that it is bad, but as you can't do that, you can't complain about it. Its basic logic 101. Get actual numbers, if those show that its actually causing an actual damage worth noting then you will have valid reason to complain, if its on level of rounding error then you don't have reason to complain. Simple.
"Even if we don't have the numbers yet, it doesn't mean that it isn't a problem"
And it doesn't mean that it is... THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!
"can trigger destructive reactions between ozone and chlorine, leading to the depletion of the ozone layer"
Can or does? If it only can then you even have way weaker argument than before... its not only that you don't know how much damage it causes, it only maybe potentially could cause some...
"If you have looked into the matter you would understand that it's pretty complicated matter and there's no easy answer."
Then don't claim that there is an actual matter to address here. If its complicated, then solve it, until then you don't have valid argument here.
"You think it's okay that billionaires and big companies can just fill the low earth orbit with junk without looking into these matters?"
No, but you screaming and screeching that something is bad because billionaire did it will not help you out here either. Prove that it actually damages ozone and we can work together to stop it.
And just try to notice that now you went straight away in attack mode on billionaires and big companies, like it has any actual meaning. Billionaires, big companies, local tiny grocery shop runned by Joe, doesn't matter, have no actual impact on actual argument here. So why are you even mentioning it like it has any meaning? It either damages ozone or it doesn't, who did it doesn't have impact on argument.
"What do you mean about that I should stop using electricity?"
Because production of electricity creates CO2 and CO2 damages environment, so you should stop damaging environment, aka you should stop using electricity if you want to stop damaging environment. Just using your own argument against you, not my problem that it sounds ridiculous.
"More and more energy is being produced without CO2 emissions"
Magic isn't real. To produce electricity you will need equipment to do it, it can be wind, solar, water, geothermal or anything else, but you still need equipment to produce it and its production creates CO2 and general waste. Electricity storage/transportation creates its own waste on top of that, your electrical equipment (PC or whatever you are using) creates its own CO2 footprint. So no, there is no such thing as energy production/usage without CO2 emissions, there are only the ones which are less polluting.
So use your own argument and stop using electricity!
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@skuggeboy
"I make risk assessments for living so screaming and screeching comes naturally to me"
Looks like you are bad at your job. You should avoid screaming and screeching until you get actual numbers to work it, otherwise you just look like paranoid person.
"Sorry for offending your world view"
No offense, not even little bit, just annoyance of seeing people who seemingly are smart but are unable to think rationally in some situations.
"a possible negative side effect"
Yea, possible, just possible, without you even knowing if this is even worth mentioning at the end of the day. Its possible that sun goes supernova tomorrow, doesn't mean that we should start digging ditches... What is possible and what is actually true are not the same thing.
"It was extremely dumb of me"
All of us have their low times, I forgive you.
"The best solution obviously is just to be quiet and not say a word"
Or, you could gather actual information to support your paranoid statements? Wouldn't that be a better option instead of creating conspiracy theories?
" I should stop everything I’m currently doing and start researching this complicated matter without any qualifications on the matter"
So you don't have qualifications, you don't have any actual data on it, yet you want to rise this "issue" like its a real issue just because it maybe possible could be somewhat a damaging thing on some level? Do you see how worthless this makes your original statement?
"Just like all the journalists are doing."
Doing what?... Its like you are going balls deep into some sort of conspiracy... Maybe journalists actually looked into it and asked actual experts and they came up with nothingburger? Maybe there is actual damaging thing and journalists are simply gathering actual evidence BEFORE speaking about it? Maybe maybe maybe. But what they are not doing is not creating conspiracy theories.
"We humans will keep repeating history by first trying things out without thoroughly searching them"
What do you suggest here? Let's postpone things for extra few decades until its fully analized? How would you even fully analyze a thing which needs to be done in bigger quantities on longer periods of time to actually represent actual impact?
With your logic industrial revolution would still be a thing of the future as we would be sitting around the fireplace and pondering how much of environmental impact bigger fireplace could cause here...
"I shouldn't attack big companies and billionaires"
My question is: Why are you attacking big companies and billionaires? Is this all about them and not actual environment?
"It's not my place to criticize them because I'm just a lowly peasant"
I mean, you already admitted to not have any expertise here and that you don't have any actual evidence, so yes, it's not your place to criticize anything here. Even if I agreed with our conspiracy theory, you would still have no right to criticize here... I'm not defending big organizations or billionaires, just pointing out your irrational argument based on your personal ignorance, that's the issue here and the only issue.
"I might be too optimistic about reducing CO2 emissions but that's one of the issues that can actually be solved"
Then show good example and stop using electricity, you can stop heating/cooling your house too, or using your car, or... I mean, everything you do in your life creates CO2, after all breathing is the thing you have too do and each breath creates CO2, sooo... Like... You know... Not actually suggesting that, but this is where your own logic leads too... Makes no real sense, doesn't it?
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@skuggeboy
"Every single risk will be listed"
Like meteor strike? Alien invasion? Scientists figuring out that we are in matrix?... Clearly you are exaggerating here, you are not looking into ALL possibilities here, you are only looking into the ones which have some supporting evidence of actually happening at certain or higher chance value, right? Or does all of your risk assessments includes meteor strikes? Supernova explosions? Unicorns appearing from thin air and puncturing fuel tank with their magical horns?
"We will then evaluate each risk with people with different backgrounds and expertise"
Cool beans, so go and talk with those people if this is an actual issue or not, otherwise, as ridiculous as it sounds, its on same level as saying that there is a risk of aliens getting upset of satellites interfering of their spying no earth and due to that they will wipe all life on earth because they are that thin skinned... Do you see how ridiculous and how fast it can get with your level of logic? We could sit here for 5 years and list all possible issues with rockets and satellites, as there can be basically infinite amount of those, doesn't mean that we should waste our time on all of them, right?
"If you think that I'm bad at my work because of it, then I'm happy that my employer isn't as harsh as you and I'm still employed"
Depends on what is your actual job, if its just coming up with possible issues, then cool, I could do it too. But there is difference between coming up with possible issues and coming up with issues which are actual issues worth to talk about, and as you already admitted you don't have expertise about satellite deorbiting damage caused to ozone and you don't have actual supporting evidence besides that one research which says that something could maybe possibly potentially cause some undefined amount of damage.Like cool, me eating beans and farting could maybe potentially cause some undefined amount of damage to ozone too, doesn't mean we should all throw our hands up and ban beans now... What we need is actual data BEFORE you make any claims of a damage caused by that thing.
"Same goes with the ozone layer. If we damage it for some reason the end result will be much worse than spending more time evaluating the possible risks."
That's the more interesting thing, we already been at the point where ozone layer was severely damaged, it was way way way worse, we fixed cause of it, now it healed. Having some wage potential issue with satellites causing undefined amount of damage is just... Worthless at the moment.
"Hardly ever rich people will go to jail if they break the law"
Because that's not how the law works and, well, rich people do have connections helping them to awade punishments, tho issue right now is that you don't even have a case to make here. I would be more than happy to stand by your side and request different satellites or their banning in general if you managed to prove that there is actual damage by them, but you don't have it, you just trying to do some weird scaremongering, yes, this is basically what you are doing. Scaremongering.
I'm not scared to be annoyed, I will be more than happy to be annoyed if I can correct someone. We seemingly agree on most of the things here, what we only disagree is your scaremongering, you might be used to just present bunch of possible issues as part of your job, but this is not your job, you should only present things which are actually an actual issues and not something YOU think to be an issue.
Happy New Year.
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And here you go, you will guess stuff instead of actually measuring stuff and getting actual correct results. There is nothing complicated about metric system, nothing... No idea why people are scared.
And we have 12 months mainly due to amount of lunar cycles. There is no good reason to change it now, entire world uses 12 months as standard, switching it to 10 will not bring you any real benefit besides generalizing things with metric system.
Similar thing with clocks, even tho in normal countries you have 24 clocks, US still uses 12h clocks... This could be changed to 10 hours in a day, but it just gets messy, you would need to change minutes too, so 10 hours, 100 minutes in hour, 100 seconds in a minute. So it would be switch from 86400 seconds in a day to 100000 of those, which isint that big of a difference. Would simply things, but it would cost quite a bit of headache to make this switch. And issue is that you kind of need to do it in one go as you can't just have 2 time measuring systems at one time which uses same names, so then it would need to introduce new names for those seconds, minutes, hours, weeks, months and so on... Do you see how much trouble it would cause? This is not the same with metric system, entire world already uses it, we have separate names, entire scientific world uses it, only 3 remaining countries tries to stick with outdated measuring system for no good reason.
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@TheHistoryofPropaganda
"language is everything"
Yes, and some words can and does have multiple meanings depending on context... Just like "round vs flat earth" is same as "globe vs flat earth" while "round table" would be "round flat disk table". You complaining about word usage will not change anything here, everyone understands what this video is about.
"Why people use climate change when they really mean global warming"
Because paid politicians made it happen. Paid by oil companies. Saying "climate change" is less scary than "global warming". But even then, both are still factually true, climate is warming in average and it is changing, so again, context is everything and in both cases you will end up at same place...
"Using ‘round’ to describe a sphere is an error of grammar,"
Saying that word which has definition fitting situation being error in grammar is error in logical thinking.
"Nye not a scientist either, but plays one on TV"
Nye is a scientist, by all means and purposes he is one. Just look up definition of scientist and check who Nye is, what he does/did and what degrees he has, because by definition of scientist, Nye is one, you like it or not, I personally dont really like it, but he is one unless you want to redefine word "scientist".
This is similar thing with space tourism where people realized that calling space tourists astronauts will lower value of actual astronauts, so some adjustments are being done to exclude those who went to space for 5 minutes and those who spent there hours, days, weeks after extensive training. But when it comes to scientists, Nye is one. So stop complaining here about irrelevant things...
"Is Round 2-dimensional?"
Is Tree 2-dimensional?... Makes no sense? Right? Round is a word to describe something, which can be 2d or 3d, depending on use case, word round itself doesn't have shape... It can be used to define one, but its not one on itself...
"Yes round is two dimensions, in other words flat"
Unless you have... I dont know... Something 3d dimensional? Did you entirely failed to understand that part where I have included actual definition of word "round" which can mean 3d object?
Wait, i need this clarification from you: Do you understand that words can have multiple meanings?
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@TheHistoryofPropaganda
"With the sources. These so called 'scientists'"
And your another mistake. Earth is a globe not because someone said so, its basic observation of reality anyone could do from their backyard. You simply have few scientists saying something what is confirmed to be a fact.
"Bill Nye is not a scientist"
Actually he is, which makes you wrong yet again.
"Can we agree on that firstly?"
We can't agree on false statements.
" That Bill NYe is NOT a scientist"
Once again, he is a scientist. You might not like that he is not 24/7 in a lab, but by definition of scientist and what Nye has, he is scientist. Completely irrelevant to entire topic tho, but as you have nothing else than a childish nitpicking, well, we have what we have.
"No degrees"
BS in Mechanical Engineering. So you are wrong again.
Dont you get tired of being wrong constantly?
"while holding back ridicule of FE"
Flat earth claim is ridiculous, so you can ridicule ridiculous ideas. Welcome to reality.
"The appeal to ridicule"
Stupid ideas are stupid, but Nya isint saying that flat earth is false because its stupid, he is saying that flat earth claims is false and it is stupid because we have actual testable evidence to show that earth is a globe.
If I came to you and said that I can fart out gold bricks after eating hot tacos, can you ridicule that or should you take me seriously?
"argumentum ad auctoritatum"
Hey, you know fancy words. Sadly you fail to understand why this doesn't apply here. Once again, shape of earth can be determined from your backyard. On top of this, using actual authority for an argument isint fallacious... If I have majority of astrophysics saying X and i use that as an argument, its not me using logical fallacy here, i'm using actual authority in this particular topic.
Your capabilities to constantly fail is amusing, tho quite boring.
"Anyone here ever heard of logical fallacy?"
Well, clearly you only heard those labels, but never bothered to understand them.
Skipping rest of your comment, as I see its pointless and waste of time to address every single ridiculous thing you said here.
Will make it really simple: Earth is a globe, this is a fact. Flat earth claim doesn't even have working model, not even talking about evidence. What people said in this video is irrelevant, earth is still a globe. All of them are scientists, but even if they were not, wont change anything, earth still a globe.
So maybe, just maybe, instead doing this childish attempt to poke a holes in this video, maybe just maybe, prove that earth is flat? Otherwise you just look like but hurt flat earther who has nothing better than complain about word "round" not fitting their personal definition...
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@dreadroberts7283
"you do realize that "gravity" has never been weighed , touched , smelled , or seen right ?"
Have you weighed , touched , smelled , or seen radiation? No? Well then its not real, i have one ticket to Fukushima, you might like it there this time of the year.
And just FYI There is such simple experiment as Cavendish experiment which demonstrates gravity in action. So yea, gravity is detectable. So you are, no surprise, fundamentally incorrect.
"so why does one believe it exists ?"
Because some of us have IQ above my shoes
"because your government school teacher told you it did ?"
No, because globe model matches reality 100% while you dont even have flat earth model without basic contradictions...
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@dreadroberts7283
"i do not know what shape the earth is"
I do... People 2000 years ago knew that... Whats stopping you?
"i have never been far enough away from the earth to get a good look"
And you dont need to. Go to a beach, observe ships disappearing bottoms up and you will have evidence of spherical earth.
Go to your backyard with a sun filter. Observe suns behavior. You have 4 things to look up: Sun moves in straight line across sky, 100% match to globe, 100% mismatch to flat one. Sun moves at constant perceived speed, 100% match to globe and 100% mismatch to flat one. Sun doesn't change size, 100% match to globe and 100% mismatch to flat one. And then you have sunset, 100% match to globe and 100% mismatch to flat one.
Do you seriously think that you can only know what shape is earth by going to space?... Every single observable planet is spherical, but you think that earth could be flat just because?...
What else do you need?
"my comments are only to say belief in another mans words is religion , and man should think hard about what it believes"
Cool, do that, but starting to reconsider something what is factually true is not healthy...
"now you can say this test and that test prove some thing but unless you personally do said test you truly know nothing and are taking another mans word for it."
have you ever seen a sunset?... Because that's enough to disprove flat earth... And yet you want to suggest that people need to question something like that... There is place and time for that, questioning shape of earth is not one of those.
"also i wonder if the cavendish experiment will work if you replace the iron balls with wood ?"
Yes. And it was led, not iron. And led was used for its density, as more dense object will create bigger gravitational pull. Having wood will create gravitational pull, but it might be not enough to counter strings tension which can prevent from this experiment giving you any results at all. Any object with mass attracts another object with mass. Simple as that. Only difference is in how strong this attraction is.
" it would still be to objects but without the magnetic properties of iron."
Again, Cavendish experiment is specifically done with none ferromagnetic materials to eliminate possibility in it attracting each other due to electromagnetism and not gravity. Again, wood could work, but due to its low density it could not produce enough of attraction to make any noticeable effect.
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@dreadroberts7283
Ok, now i see 2 links. So lets begin.
Second link uses nonsensical lens to make a point about disappearing objects over horizon. So couple glaring issues with that. Atmosphere is not a magnifying glass... You can have some distortions, but its not huge magnifying glass.
Next, this example doesn't show objects being broth up to the view with a zoom... So no idea why you give me link to 10 minute video which talks about none existing glass lenses...
Now first one... Are you kidding me? At which point in this video you see ship disappearing over the horizon which gets broth back with a zoom?... You have some one standing on a beach, quite high from water, zooming into a ship which is not over horizon and you posted this link as evidence for you original claim? Are you ok?... Like seriously, are you?... This is not evidence that you can bring ship back to view after it disappears over the horizon, it proves that zoom can magnify things... That's it... Ship is not over the horizon, its still before it...
Now, this is what actual link to actual video which proves some ones position should look like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSMRhTPMSfk
You have 2 ships on the horizon, one is not yet went over the horizon, another did. Zoom as much as you want will not bring back into view ship which is already hidden by the curvature.
And just one additional note here in response to your second video. Why is this magical glass lense effect is present at same distance (give it or take couple km) independent of weather conditions? You can be in a desert you will have objects disappearing at same distance as you will have them do the same over the ocean. Why is that? If you have completely dry air, how do you get same exact water magnifying effect as it supposedly is over the ocean? Why does distance at which objects start to disappear match globe model?
So yea, maybe another link got filtered out which actually proves your point, but from those 2 links... You failed... And i cant really leave that one, but you seriously think that you could compare water particles in air distributed relatively evenly between you and object you observe with a solid block of glass in middle? Are you even serious here?...
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@martinherald6492
"I don't know anything about how long hydrogen tanks last, but an LPG gas tank needs to be regularly inspected."
There is so called hydrogen embrittlement which literally, well, makes metals its incontact with brittle, while LPG doesn't really have this issue yet it still need regular checks. That embrittlement is one of the major issues with hydrogen systems, this is why hydrogen tanks are usually coated in ceramics which minimizes issue, doesn't solve it entirely, just minimizes.
"What's an EV's battery pack like after 10 years of regular use?"
Depends on use. We still have BEV's from 2012 driving around with original battery pack. But difference is that battery packs degrade slowly over time, you just losing capacity, slowly, worst case scenario you will fail to get to your destination. While with hydrogen cars, worse case scenario: you get vaporized in instance when that tank raptures. See the difference?
"My point is that everything that makes Murais unpalatable to the public, is exactly the same problems EV's have"
Not even close. EV's are actually wanted, while people who buys hydrogen cars NEVER actually looked up what it brings to the table. I was originally all for hydrogen cars, because it sounds so cool to have car which drives on fuel which was produced from water, it's sounded so clean and cool. But then started to look into it and realized that hydrogen technology is extremely complicated, expansive, dangerous and non scalable across the board.
"The primary concern is still all about range anxiety, with both vehicles"
Only from the people who never owned BEV, especially tesla, as that one will plot entire route for you with needed stops along the way to get you where you want as fast as possible without you needing to think about it. Range anxiety only exists until you drive BEV.
"Ferrari owners don't care about service costs"
And how many Ferraris do you see on the roads?... Your argument doesn't hold water here. We are talking about replacement for all or atleast most passenger cars, you are bringing in example of a car which is like one in a million... There are more Ferraris in the world than there are hydrogen cars.
"Arguing over percentage losses between EV's and fuel cells is pointless as well"
But its not... You literally started by saying that BEV and Hydrogen cars experience SAME issues, when in reality they are not. Its like saying "You have 1 apple and I have 1 million apples, its exactly same" well no, that number difference makes it quite different story...
"The fact that the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, so green energy production must be at least double the capacity of existing fossil fuel produced electricity means NOTHING"
? What the hell is this argument even is? All this applies to EVERYTHING anyways, hydrogen production, BEV charging or even petroleum refining... Source of electricity applies to EVERYTHING equally...
"The average climate alarmist doesn't care if it takes far more production for green energy"
Care to give actual example here? Like actual example where so called green energy produces more pollution than so called dirty energy. A single example will do.
"Dealing with these sorts of arguments is like dealing with petulant spoiled brats"
Then why do YOU fail to present actually valid arguments here? You even started complaining that we are using numbers here... So like, what is your actual argument here and based on what exactly?
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Yes, you are correct, we truly live in a world where 2 + 2 = 5. Now lets do maff, Russia raised water levels to record levels, all dam controls have been fully on russian side, so they did it intentionally. Russia already mentioned that they mined dam before. Russia made new law ONE week before blowing up dam which says that it should not investigate such disasters. Then extra points, tho it might be to hard for you to add up, but maybe you can do it. Ukraine gains nothing from this, NOTHING. Russia on another hand cut off possible route for counter offensive and this entire side will be basically inaccessible until next summer, atleast for few months. So this shortened entire front line drastically.
On top of this, dam should have been monitored 24/7 and if Ukraine blow it up then Russia would have published this video proving this ages ago.
Och, one more, WW2 Russians blew up dam, so its not the first time they used this tactic in desperation.
So please, do some maff here...
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@nobonesar
Irony is strong with people like you. When you hear words "gun control" you start screaming in imagining that this would take away your right to own gun. There is difference between allowing to own gun and actually requiring something from you to do that. Gun lovers want to be able to buy guns as easy as possible because, actual argument from people like you I have seen, "If people can use guns they will drive cars into crowds"...
But lets put this aside, lets ask different question, more interesting one. At which point would you say that person should not own X thing? For example, can I own RPG? Can I own C4? Can I own tank? What about nuke? Yes, those are extreme examples, but I want to hear from a single gun lower where he would draw this line... Obviously you want to be able to own guns, so then, how far would you go with it? What would you require from people who wants to own guns?
There is direct correlation between ease of gun buying with homicides relating guns. More strict laws lead to less crimes with guns, less death from guns, less illegal guns and so on... So are you for more strict gun laws?
In US you basically getting quick background check before buying one... That's like... Insanely silly requirement... In normal countries it will be required for you to pass training in gun usage, you will be properly checked for mental stability, you will be required to have correct and safe way to store gun and in some instances you will have to redo exam every X years to keep your gun license. Och and in some cases you need to provide exact location of your gun, where you keep it, to police. What do you have in US? Nothing... You want gun? Cool, have some cash and you can get one in 5 minutes...
Och forgot to add, you don't even need background checks when you buy guys from private sellers... So basically a toddler can buy one if he has cash and someone wanting to sell one, and it would be legal...
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"Just wondering what actual proof you have it's a ball. "
Sun observation proves that... Not counting in other 100+ proofs based on evidence...
"There is not one single real photo showing it is. "
There are, hundreds of them, even videos. Issue is not with that, issue is that you will reject everything presented for globe earth not because you can prove it to be fake, but because you dont like it. How do i know this? Simple... What method you used to determine that picture is fake?
"You would be killed if you flew anywhere near the North Pole, "
Its 5k or 2k for a plane ticket which goes over south pole, same goes for north one. Tho i think you wanted to say "South" and not "north"...
And you can go there on your actual feet for like 50k. (Still talking about south pole...)
"Gravity is nothing but a theory. Not actual evidence."
Cavendish experiment.
"There are more than one thing the majority of the population believe is true without actual fact. "
Like god?
"Now I'm not a flat earthier"
Yet you are...
"however I do question everything"
Which would be fine if you would not be one who is rejecting evidence because you question everything...
"There are scriptures in the Bible eluding it's flat. "
Right, because bible was written by simple people who lived 2000 years ago... What did you expected? That it will match reality?...
"I challenge you to question all of this "proof" you've been taught. "
We did, still believe in globe earth because its demonstrably true.
"Ever wonder why those who break through with cures and other ways to live die? "
Deep into conspiracies? And how is that related to something you can yourself observe?
"I will stay neutral until NASA"
Why? NASA is 100% irrelevant to the shape of earth... Why do you talk like generic flat earther and bring up irrelevant things and yet you say that you are not one of them?
"NASA can actually show some real prof it's round, not a computer generated photo."
Cool, now debunk every single photo NASA presented and present us your method you used to get to that conclusion. We will wait.
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@thewonderblunder3421
I'm not racist, but...
This is how your comment started. It always looks like anything what was before "but" is a lie.
"I loooooove the concept of "The more you know, the more you don't know.""
Which is misleading. More you know, more you know. That's it. You might get 2 new questions after you got one answer, but that quote implies that you are going back in your total amount of knowledge, while you simply accumulate more questions while getting more answers.
"Space and time = gravity? How would one explain this concept to the general public?"
Who cares? We are not expecting for regular Joe to understand things like this, but to understand how basic geometry works should be expected... Which is more than enough to know that earth is not a flat pancake.
"It's such a tragedy that more people are turning to the simple dependency on their own senses"
This was for like... Ever... Globe model was only introduced like 2300 years ago, while human civilization (well, relatively speaking, as this doesn't really have starting point) existed for like 250 000 years. So majority of time humans used their senses to get to conclusion that earth is flat, but only recently this was replaced with actual scientific method and not personal opinions.
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@gregautomotive8409
Home chargers are not as fast as dedicated ones, but that's besides that point. Building electrical charger stations are allot simpler and less expensive than hydrogen stations and you cant really make any hydrogen at home.
"The fact is, more CO2 is produced making an EV than making a gas car"
Yes, so what? Look at total CO2 production over cars life span, not just how much it produces when you make one...
"The EV doesn't offset it expenditure until about 400k miles."
Where the hell you got this number from? Is it from some Oil company?... Generally speaking EV's start producing less CO2 after 1-2 years, from where you got your magical number is a mystery.
"Keep in mind the cost of pack replacement is horrifying"
Keep in mind that you wont need to replace battery pack... And total maintenance cost for ICe cars is allot higher than EV's anyways.
"I'm already seeing the effects."
Its called: Anecdotal evidence.
"The hybrid is the cleanest bet going right now"
? Hybrid is the worst option... You basically have 2 cars in one which will brake allot more than it would if it was ether ICE or just EV.
And its strange, now you are saying that its better to have cars like that but it would be worst to have fully EV? How does that work in your head? Adding EV parts into ICE car makes it cleaner and better, but it gets worst if you remove ICE parts entirely?
"They use strip mines and in some cases slave labor"
Do you seriously think that literally polluting air your breath in makes your alternative better?
And not every battery manufacturer uses slaves... You do know this? Right?
"Cancer and birth defect rates around these facilities has gone through the roof."
So now you are not even arguing about EV's vs ICe cars, now you just complaining about some issues surrounding battery productions?...
"This shit is not green or sustainable. "
? Count oil spills and general deaths from air pollution, then remember that OIL has literal limit in how much there is in ground and you will realize which option is less clean and sustainable here...
There is no limit in electricity production, there are multiple ways to make batteries using multiple different methods and most of those methods can recycle batteries up to like 95% which can be reused over and over again...
"Your basically saying fuck other people on the planet so I can pat myself on the back here in the west for being environmentally conscience"
Your basically saying fuck EVERYONE around me on the planet so I can pat myself on the back here in the west for being environmentally conscience.
Now you just went with appeal to emotions... Try to stay on topic here.
"How is it going to handle all the cars too"
Without any problems. There have been studies done on this one and electrical car production will be under the limitations of even current electrical grid expansion, not even talking that it can be speed up if needed. There is no problem to expand grid to incorporate EV's...
"Lastly net's not forget that currently only 3.84% of these batteries are being recycled because no one wants to deal with the toxic chemicals in them"
? From where you got this number from? Like seriously, can you provide citation for this?...
"These heavy metals don't break down because they are themselves elements and they'll be finding their way into groundwater."
Irony is strong when you think about hundreds if not thousands of oil spills every single year... C'mon... I'm not even saying that you are wrong here, wont even bother with that, but the fact that you so conveniently ignore every issue surrounding oil sector is just... Interesting.
"Many EV's, because they no longer have ICE's no longer have OBD ports and force the consumer back to the dealer. Tesla is a big one."
Tesla does have OBD port... Are you even real mechanic? If you cant even find OBD port then maybe you should not put your hands on electrical cars in general?...
Electrical cars are basically smartphones on wheels, you need actual software understanding of this specific car to be able to properly fix it. Adapt or go out of business.
"No right to repair."
No right to screw up shit you have no idea how it works.
Even now Tesla is under attack by everyone just because they are not part of big car manufacturer group, what they least need now is someone messing around their cars when they dont know how to do it.
Its not that good that not everyone can fix electrical cars, but if you have issue you can always get into contact with Tesla service center and get it repaired by licensed professionals.
"So you're putting me out of business eventually too. "
Well, tough shit. Society progresses forwards, we no longer have quite a bit of jobs which existed years ago, so what? Its adapt or go out of business. Don't expect that everything will remain exactly the same for thousands of years... We cant just sit here and like "Och wait, we cant do this technological progress because it will remove this work sector"... If we did this we would be still living in caves, butt naked.
We had jobs like rope winders, those got replaced by automated machines, its not like you go to buy rope and complain that it wasn't handmade or something...
"EV's are a far cry for decent, green, sustainable, affordable or a reasonable solution"
Experts disagree with you.
"Donut doesn't seem to realize many auto and truck makers are on board with hydro. "
No, they are not. Auto makers only want to say that to be part of current trend, which is going green. Automakers want to remain on ICE cars for eternity, but they cant, luckily we got Tesla which pushed over the board auto makers and forced their hand to start making electrical cars and invest billions into their development. Hydrogen cars might only become some niche thing for some specific things, but it will never become mainstream, to late for that.
Check battery prices over last decades. Main cost of electrical car is battery pack, which is going down, fast. While Hydrogen production cost remains more or less same. If it dint lift off before, it wont have any chance now.
Go and count Hydrogen stations across entire world... Its 685 across entire world... While EV's has over 100 000 of those and more to come, not including basically every single electrical outlet in the world which can be used to charge it. Its simply to late for Hydrogen to make any real dent.
"They just build a 455hp hydrogen injected V8 that's supposed to sound amazing."
Who cares? Are you just for the sound? 455hp is generally speaking low amount. We have EV's with 1000hp+ in mass production... And you can add any sound you want if that's what is most important for you...
" Hyundai just released their N Vision 74 hydro"
Design from 90's, outdated even before being mass produced. Unless you like older looking cars, but its just my personal taste.
" The future is not EV's."
Everyone disagrees with you, but well, you can have your opinion here.
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@bradengle3491
"You have religious beliefs that are a fairy tale. "
So what you are saying is that having religious beliefs is a shitty position to hold?
"we've never seen anything become something completely new the way evolution suggests"
Speciation was observed, what you want to observe is not what evolution says. But then again, go to google and enter something like "dog breed change over 100 years" and you will see dramatic change in dog's over this tiny amount of time, just imagine how much they will change in another 1000 years, you would be having hard time calling those animals dog's at that point. And funny enough dog's are decedent's of wolfs and I can bet you would be conflated to call great wolf and chihuahua same species.
"Dogs will always be dogs etc"
Until they are no longer dog's. Analogy time! Exactly same thing happen with language evolution, there was no point in time where Latin speaking person give birth to spanish speaking one... Evolution of language fallows same exact rules. You have gradual change over time and when you accumulate enough changes you will get new label, aka speciation, aka new language.
So yes, lets keep this in perspective.
By the way, why are you afraid of evolution being true? I won't disprove your god, so why are you scared of it being true?
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Texeira Correa
5 comments in a row?...
“Forbes, Scientist admit they don’t know how strong the force of gravity is”
Cool, now get entire article and get context for this one... Tho interestingly enough this would suggest that you do think that gravity is a real thing, there is only issue with not knowing how strong it is?... What difference does it make? You just admitted that gravity is real... Och that irony...
"literally varied results with no constant?!?"
F = (G x m1 x m2) / r^2 , where
F = force of gravity
G = gravitational constant
m1 = mass of the first object
m2 = mass of the second object
r = the separation between the two masses
"You get direction because you are in a fluid that cause you to either go up or down because you or dense or not dense enough I really don’t know why you say it like"
Once again you failed to understand my question here. I'm not asking how things behave, i'm asking "WHY" they behave like that... Why things fall down and not up? What force defines direction? Density is not a force, neter buoyancy. So what defines direction?
"in the beginning there was no time(4th dimension )"
First of all, prove it. Second of all, what difference does it make? you could not even have 3 dimensions... Doesn't make any difference to the shape of earth... And this is quite red hearing from your side, stick to the topic...
"it simple terms having mass doesn’t turn up anything but density does."
? Will make it caps, because you have issues with reading: WHAT FORCE DEFINES DIRECTION?
"the cavendish experiment to this day isn’t used because"
? Dude come back to reality! Cavendish experiment is done countless times, especially in universities. Anyone can do it, you can find dozens videos of this experiment on youtube alone... So avoid repeating this nonsensical statement, you will look even more ridiculous then you look already.
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Texeira Correa
7 comments?...
"hence you saying gravity isn’t constant then showing a formula"
When did i said that gravity is not constant? Do you even read?
"just because someone does it doesn’t mean that the documentation showed already it’s useless dud of an experiment if you can call it that"
It demonstrates repeatability of that experiment.
"It says in big bold letter so even you can read that the 4th dimension isn’t time"
In most common situations you will see all those 4 dimensions: length, width, depth and time.
Tho i still have no idea how this is related to anything... You can debunk Big Bang all day long, will not change the fact that we dont live on flatardia...
" and you failed to explain as simple as I did, it doesn’t have to be complicated"
Having simple answer doesn't make it correct by default. Maybe this is why you think that gravity is false because it too complicated for you to understand...
"You through on gravity I’ll throw on buoyancy"
Will repeat, just for you: BUOYANCY IS NOT A FORCE.
Its on a level of saying "You through on gravity I’ll throw on banana" like that makes it on equal level... Its not...
"you still haven’t explained what gravity is or how it works"
? Seriously, you ether have no capabilities to read or you just some sad internet troll...
But well, lets repeat this one more time: Gravity is a label put on observable fact from reality where objects with mass attract objects with mass.
What it is exactly and what causes that action in particular is still unknown, but we know what it does. Which is perfectly fine and enough to explain all this jazz about spherical earth.
Skipping bunch of nonsense, no point in debunking them for the 50th time...
So, lets go back to your original claim, that you have 50k photos which proves that we live on flatardia. Where are those? Because you can scream like a child here that gravity is not real, that your buoyancy explains something and all that nonsense, but that will not prove that earth is flat. Disproving gravity will not prove your flatardia. So maybe lets avoid wasting time on disproving globe model and lets prove yours? Sounds like a deal? Cool. imgur.com upload your best photo and lets screed it into peaces.
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@thetrintarianmessianicyahw589
"Most fights I've seen over religion were initiated by atheist attacking street preachers"
I guess crusades have been caused by atheists too...
If you want to make shit up atleast try harder.
"I personally know atheist flat earthers"
Yes, there are bad atheists out there, but waste majority of flat earthers are theists and majority of those are believers in bible.
"What explains their reasons for believing the earth is flat?"
Lack of education, most likely.
"We've seen it from space"
We knew that earth is round for past 2300 years, you dont need to go into space to know what shape earth is.
"So could you try to clarify what your point was?"
It's really simple point: Most flat earthers are theists, most theists are not flat earthers.
"And please spare me a rant about all the naughty things done in the name of religion (though not because of Religion)"
Isint that the same thing? Doing in a name of religion being a cause of that same religion you are doing it? Like 9/11? How many atheists flew planes into buildings in a name of atheism?
"you've found after fine tooth combing through history to find all the blemishes in religious history"
You clearly have no idea what happen in history. Did you knew that when British invaded America native Americans got 2 options: Accept Christianity or die? I mean... Even today we have 13 countries where atheist can be killed legally... And you have trouble finding issues with religion in a history book?... C'mon...
"like Slavery Abolitionists in America"
That's false. Slavery got abolished not because bible said so, but because science said that every human is equal. Why do you think we had slavery in the first place? What do you think people used as justification to have slaves?
Did you knew that bible gives specific instructions about slaves? Like that you can beat them as long as they dont die? Or instructions where you can get your slaves? Or instructions how you can trick them to become your slave for rest of their lives and so on? It wasn't religions which abolished slavery, it was religions which created it...
"Scientific Revolutions in Islam and Christianity"
Still false. There is HUGE difference between doing something because you are religious and doing something while you are religious. Atheist scientists in past 200 years contributed more to science than religious ones ever did combined. So avoid using such silly points...
"Charity work from Sikhism and Buddhist"
And why do people actually do charry work? Because book said so or because they want to? You basically saying that people are so evil that you need ancient book for them to do charity work... Seriously? You would become evil person if you stopped believing in your religion? If so, then please, keep believing...
And what exactly does it change? Name me ONE war which was started in a name of atheism and I will name you 10x more which got started in a name of religion... If you want to count heads, we can, but you will lose here.
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First of all, having shitty grid is unrelated thing to EV's, its an issue with government or whoever is responsible for the grid. Second, grid expands based on demand, just like it did from the moment we got first lightbulbs. Third, and most ironic thing, hydrogen cars required around 60% MORE electricity to drive same distance, yes, you need electricity as we have ZERO pure hydrogen on earth which means that 100% of it needs to be produced, so that said anything you could say about issues with grid will be 60% worse for hydrogen cars, aka you made argument against hydrogen cars without realizing it.
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@answerstotoviasinger6742
"The model of flat earth is not made yet"
Why the hell not? It should be extremely easy to map out flat plane on flat piece of paper. What's stopping you? Reality?
"no rocket has a camera seeing ahead, always seeing back, why?"
Why would it look forwards into space?... Go outside, look up, this is what rockets would see... Would that be productive information to have? No. Its way more interesting to see ground and not to look at sky. When rockets starts to get into orbit those will start flying more horizontally and will include portion of the sky. So no idea what you are complaining here and what point you tried to make.
" the planes dont go to space"
Yes, because those are planes and not rockets...There is a reason why rockets are being used to go into space and not planes... Hint: air density.
"nobody feels the movement"
Correct, welcome to reality. You can't feel motion, only changes in it. This is basic reality you fail to understand. Have you ever been on a plane? It goes like 500km/h and you can't feel that speed, especially if its on cruising altitude, if you close your eyes it will not be any different than being at home in your bed, aside of cabin noise there is no difference, as there is no actual change in speed.
"nobody sees the curve"
We do, like, sunsets are the thing caused by curvature...
"all photos of the globe are fake or not faithful"
Or not faithful? So some are not fake photos of globe? Good to know, atleast you admit that much.
"nobdy has gone to space"
We did, and you just said that some photos from space are real, stop contradicting yourself here.
" they always lie"
Who are they? Lizard people?
"this iswhy russia dont say that apollo to the moon is fake"
Or... Or moon landing actually happen and Russia lost? Like, what situation do you imagine to be if we actually went to moon? Russia screaming that its all fake? Well russia are not that stupid to deny basic reality and make themselves look stupid.
"A lie needs more and bigger lies"
Like religions?
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@taMeska
Because it's currently cheapest option when it comes to price and energy density ratio.
Electrical cars only improves with time, battery prices are going down, new battery technologies are being discovered and this will only increase with more companies investing more money in battery technology, this is only beginning. While with hydrogen, it wont change much anymore, technology is settled down, you maybe could get cheaper cars if it goes into more mainstream production, but you still need to change entire infrastructure for hydrogen refueling stations, those are extremely expensive to build and maintain, this isint the case with electrical stations.
Hydrogen cars had a chance to become something bigger if those took off like 20 years ago, but as we all know oil companies would not allow that they are still not allowing for electrical cars to take over, atleast trying to slow them down as much as possible, but its too late, every major car manufacturer started to shift towards electrical cars, only few who claims to make hydrogen cars in low numbers which is nothing. Like I mentioned, you have 15k hydrogen cars over 4.2million electrical ones and this gap will only increase as no one wants to buy car which cant be used due to none existing refueling stations.
Another thing. Electrical cars are like half the price for each km you drive than Hydrogen, it is cheaper than gasoline, but its still more expensive than electrical ones.
So what exact benefits you have with Hydrogen cars which should show that Hydrogen is better than electrical cars exactly?
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@samueltriad7103
"Just as society once thought that the earth was the center of the universe and it was common belief it got proven wrong"
Correct, by those same people who proved that earth is a globe, in space, in a huge galaxy, surrounded by billions of other galaxies...
And from where do you think this "center of the universe" came from? Religions... And who corrected this? Science... And what science says about earth? Its a globe... Do you notice pattern here?
"Also experience is the best teacher, so don’t just take everything you hear on the news as fact, do your own research!"
Cool, and basic observation of sun you can perform yourself proves that earth is a globe. So what now?
"That would be my one point to you and others who are too afraid or narrow minded to think outside the box, or in this case outside the “globe”"
Thinking outside box is cool and you should do that, issue is not with that, issue is with denying reality or having 0 understanding of geometry and making positive claims based on that... There are no chance for earth to be flat based on dozens of experiments anyone can perform and dozens of observations anyone can do... Flat earth claim in on same level as to say that water is made up of magical space pixies... It just doesn't make any sense...
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@Nikki67762
"First there was nothing,,, then it exploded!"
Is that should be straw man? Are you trying to create some childish claim no one in their sane mind claimed so you cloud "demolish" it and call a victory? Big Bang is not explosion from nothing, its expansion from already existing energy and matter. Please, for your own sake, learn what you are trying to debunk before you do so, as now you just look silly.
And just side note, didn't your god supposedly created everything from nothing? Are you trying to make fun of your own religion?
"you gotta start with the Big Bang right?"
you gotta start with non fallacious argument.
"Einstein admitted it was his biggest mistake"
Proves jack shit.
"Hesitation Model"
No idea what's that and I honestly don't care. How is that related to anything exactly?
"Oscillation Model "
Again, no idea and don't care.
"Requires Antigravity forces
Never observed"
Nether your god, so i guess we can stop at this? None observed things don't exist? Right?
"I’ve done my homework, "
You might double check logical fallacies and how to make sound and valid argument here. You dint proved/disproved anything here, mentioned bunch of random stuff and thats that. Even if you could disprove Big Bang, that will not prove your god. So go and learn how to make appropriate argument.
"You’re brainwashed by “the powers that be! “"
Says some one who believes in god because got brainwashed by their parents and local church... Riiiiight, its me who is brainwashed... You cant even manage to make sound and valid argument here and you call me brainwashed... C'mon...
"How about Nachmonides? "
How about caramel ice cream?
"You gonna do your homework here or shall I do it for you?"
Not my job to prove you wrong, its your to prove you correct. So, start by presenting actual evidence that your god is real, not that big bang could be false, but that your god is real... Disproving X will not prove Y by default... Logic... Use it...
"How about the speed of light?
Let me guess,,, you believe it’s a constant??? "
How about you bring actual relevant topics here? You like a lost puppy, jumping all over the place without any real meaning. I dont have time to teach you every single thing from entire universe... Pick ONE topic... Even better, present your BEST evidence that your god is real and lets see where it fails. Can you do this?
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@Nikki67762
I understand that you can busy, i'm not in a rush here. I had replies which happened like 6 months later. Things happen.
"I’m into Quantum Physics! Hyper dimensions. "
Into like having actual degree or simply watched few youtube videos?
"Michio Kaku said: "
That's called: argument from authority fallacy.
Skipped everything mentioning names.
"Okay so there are many top physicists and scientists for you. "
And no one cares. Even if Einstein said that god is real, that would not make it so. Some ones personal opinion is not evidence for anything.
"Seeing a baby born"
natural process for which we have complete explanation is some how proves that god is real? How? Why?
"plus he has proved himself to me"
How do you know that its not a delusion but something what actually happen?
"He is our Heavenly Father who created us and loves us. "
Well, you still dint proved that he is real, let alone that he created us. On top of that, if we would go by bible alone, god supposedly killed over 2 million people for shits and giggles, and he would send none believers into hell to be tortured for eternity for simply not believing that he is real. That is not a loving god...
"I don’t view the Bible as religion I view it as a book of instructions"
Like that part that you can own slaves, that you can beat them as long as they dont die? That part which says that you should kill homosexuals, or adulterous? That part talking about burning witches?... Should i continue?...
"Adam and Eve messed everything up so Jesus had to fix it by dying. "
Doesn't make any sense. First of all, by your religion god is all knowing, so when he created Adam and Eve he already knew what they will do, because he made them that way. So punishing some one for action they have been forced to do is just stupid. and Jesus dint died... Do you seriously think that Jesus is dead right now? If you answer is no, then he dint died. All this presupposing that Jesus as a god is even a real thing.
"They couldn’t kill him!!! "
So did he died or not? Can you make up your mind here?... Did he died or not? Was he killed or not?
"Genesis 1:1
Romans 1:20
Ephesians3:9
Acts17:24
Colossians 1:16-17"
Why are you posting verses from bible? What do you expect to achieve here? Like seriously, if i start quoting Harry Potter book, would that make you believe that wizards are real?
"It has 50 scientists that believe in creation. "
50 scientists?!?!?! Och wow, its like 0.001% of all scientists...
Majority of scientists are atheists, and of those who are theists, majority of them doesn't mention god at all in their research. So if you want to go by what scientists say, you will loose.
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@Nikki67762
"astronomy answers that! So does the Bible! "
Answers what? And making claim is not answer. For you to use bible to prove bible would only create circular argument, which is logical fallacy by itself. You need to prove that bible is correct, you cant use bible to achieve this...
"Why don’t you ask him to prove himself to you? "
Ask who? I'm atheist, i dont believe that god is real, so who will I ask? Should i talk with myself? And even then, why should i ask? Is your god so dushy that i have to ask him while not believing that he is real so he could save me from his eternal punishment?... What?
"I think you know he’s real and are trying hard to prove to yourself that he isn’t! "
I know that god of bible is not real, thats for sure. I'm not sure that god in general is not real. But that besides the point. I'm here explaining to people why they have irrational beliefs, this includes you. Even if god is real, even if god of bible is real, your beliefs are still irrational due to your inability to prove that he is real.
Fun fact. Over human history we had over 50000 god claims, so by presupposing 2 huge things here, that god is real and that he is one of those already presupposed, you literally have 0.02% chance in getting correct one. And the fact that humans to create god's, obviously, chances that yours is made up is quite astronomical, while you cant even prove that your god could be possibly real.
"You will have to answer to him someday wether you believe that or not."
Is that a threat? Because its sounds something like "Pay me monthly fee and I will not brake your legs" if he is such an asshole to punish some one for simply not believing that he is real while he never bothered to present efficient evidence that he is real, then yea, i have no interest in a god like this, even if he is actually real.
Funny side note. By bible alone god killed over 2million people for shits and giggles, while devil only 2 after he got permission/instructions to do so from god. On top of this, by original Adam and Eve story god lied while devil said truth. So who is the worst one?
All this presupposing that your god is real and that your bible is accurate, but you got the point.
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@Nikki67762
Youtube notifications are pain in butt... I'm not getting those sometimes too, no idea why, but i have to check old conversations from time too time to make sure that there isint any replies. Youtube does its thing, i guess...
"I study my Bible everyday hun"
Slow reader? Did you got to the part where it says that you should kill homosexuals?
"I UNDERSTAND the Bible!"
I do too, its quite simple: Bible was written by people from that time and not by god or inspired by god, based on a fact that you have bunch of self contradictions, bunch of immoral instructions, bunch of false claims and so on. Unless your god is actually real and he just wanted to make a prank by making bible in a way it is right now.
Like seriously, for one second try to consider small possibility that bible was actually written by simple people from that time and you will realize how every issue you try to explain starts to make actual sense, why its written like this and so on. Just for one second.
"It makes me feel very sad for you but I won’t give up praying for you no matter what you say."
Well brainwashing clearly did its thing on you. Once more, praying has no actual effect, its just talking to your self, better do something what actually gives you results, like plant a tree or something...
But seriously, as you seam to claim to know bible better than me, then please, explain to me how you justify instruction which says that you should kill homosexuals? Or adulterous? Or burn witches? Beat your slaves? I'm curious what excuse you will make here to try justify something obviously immoral.
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Base "binning" should be based by your biological sex, male of female. Why you ask? Well simple, on AVERAGE males will have stronger muscles, bigger lungs, wider hand reach, higher bone density and so on, this alone should straight away separate biological sex into two groups by default, after that you can go into more detail, like height and weight, like we have with boxing.
At the end of the day, if we don't have this actual perfect method in determining capabilities, then maybe lets not change what was before until we came up with that method?
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"Flat earth is a CIA creation to make conspiracy theorists look stupid"
You dont need CIA to make flat earthers look stupid, they are experts on that already.
"NASA IS lying to us"
based on what evidence?
"They are a bullshit company with a bullshit agenda and have done nothing for years"
Couple inventions by NASA: Camera phones, Scratch resistant lenses, CAT Scans, LED's, Land Mine Removal, Athletic shoes, foil blankets, water purification system, dust busters, ear thermometers, home insulation, the jaws of life (tool, used bi firefighters, usually) wireless headset, memory foam, freeze dried food, adjustable smoke detector, baby formula, artificial limbs, computer mouse, portable computer...
"I think they are hiding our true origin and place in this galaxy"
And i think i can fly. Can I?
" For example try debunking why there are no stars on the moon from the NASA space programs"
Camera exposure time?... Try taking picture of stars at night while having bright object in that same picture... You cant have that... Cameras dont work that way.
"Why do they not take beautiful shots of the earth from the moon"
They took realistic ones. Again, you cant have stars and bright object in same picture without actually using Photoshop and overlapping 2 separate photos to get this beautiful photo you want... This is not how cameras work...
" I could go on and on"
And you would fail again and again... So maybe dont...
"This all sounds crazy"
It does and i showed why.
"Trump 2Q2Q!"
Well, that actually explains allot.
"The background is completely blacked out which is why you don't see stars"
Actually if you had basic knowledge how to use photoshop or any other decent photo editing software, you could crank up contrast to crazy values which would reveal couple stars in those photos.
"But there are missions that are completely faked"
Based on what evidence?
" Those missions you can see the wire holding up the astronauts"
You cant, your imagination and ignorance is not evidence.
"You cant just throw moon conspiracy theorists with in the flat earth idiots"
Why not? Both denies reality, so why not?
"everything can be logically explained through science of the earth being round"
And everything (as i have explained) can be logically explained through science that we went to moon, multiple times.
"Use your brains to decipher truth from fiction, common sense from bullshit."
Well you are atleast not a flat earther, so you are half way throw a bullshit sea.
"Oh btw the earth isn't exactly a perfectly round ball either."
Yet on grand scale its a perfect sphere. Tho its nick picking, so who cares, its still a spherical.
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@baubljos103
"you cannot know what "someone thinks" because you cannot read their mind"
Was I not clear enough?... Ok, will put into different words: What would you call some one who CLAIMS...
"I would call them a person making interesting claims"
Seriously, person who claims that pigs can fly because its written in a Childs book would be interesting claim to you?... Seriously?
"I would not call them bad names - that's what kids do."
Funny enough only kids are afraid of bad names.
"Inter alia, I concur w/u - test the level on ground as a control."
You are joking here? Right? You cant be serious... level on ground as control?... You are joking?
" I believe your "would be" claim is premature and implies bias."
Its like literally what it is... This is literally how level works... It shows deviation from perpendicular position from earths center. Its like saying that because i said 2+2=4 implies bias... What the hell?
" In other words, if you declare (explicitly or implicitly) a preconceived notion about the earth shape BEFORE considering the data then your conclusion may be clouded by your preconception."
First of all, we already know that earth is a globe and that gravity is a thing, so there is no real experiment here to be done. Second, in BOTH models, globe or flatardian one behavior of level would be same, because this is what those models says we should observe... So doing experiment which should produce same results for both models is just... pointless...
"is the term "horizontal" equivalent to "perpendicular from the center of the earth"???"
Definition of horizontal: parallel to the plane of the horizon; at right angles to the vertical.
So yes. Should i explain it in more detail or are we good here?
"AS I understand the term, "horizontal" means parallel to the horizon."
Cool. And? Horizon would be perpendicular to earths center. Should i really explain geometry to you here?
"However, he could and should improve the test - and I support improvement and further testing."
What test? He wasnt testing if earth is flat or globe with that test. So why would you support it in general? Its irrelevant test for what it was performed for. So why would you support tests like that or why would you want to improve it which would not change actual outcome of that test?
"You know, electronic transit levels today have an auto-read mechanism."
And apple released colored mac's... Your point? If we keep talking about random irrelevant things here, why cant we change topic to something more interesting?
You could have 1million worth level with 500+ decimal values precision, would not make any difference here.
Will put in analogy here, you literally talking about tool which have better temperature measurement range when conversation goes about car having square wheels... How is that relevant? What would it change?
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@baubljos103
"I did not see the pig claim, so I reject your premise."
Its not premise, its analogy...
"No I'm not joking because a control group is an element of scientific hypothesis testing. "
Its quite interesting, you seam to have this mental defense here where i will point out absurdity in your comment and then you will return with a valid sentence which is not a direct answer to original one. Yes, having control is needed when you perform experiment, but that was NOT the point i was making here... Placing level on ground to have this control point is just stupid. Should I explain why or maybe you can understand it by yourself?
"Did you test that hypothesis on Antarctica? "
? What the hell does Antarctica has anything todo with anything in here? Are you saying that gravity works differently in Antarctica?... What the hell? Are you drunk or does this random sentence generator you have in your head just comes up with random sentences by itself on regular basis?
"Who is "we"? "
Normal people. People with basic knowledge about reality and how to test shit.
"If you want to represent other people then I want to see their written authority allowing you to do so"
Damn... How thick headed are you? Did I said that I represent others? Its like you desperately trying to discredit anything I say while miserably failing on each step... Its quite sad...
I don't need their written word saying that i can simply point out that majority agrees with what I'm saying here.
"So - PLEASE - go ahead and explain gravity."
Well you clearly dint aces gravity, so let me to educate you about it. Gravity is a label put on observable and testable phenomena where object with mass attract objects with mass. This was demonstrated and proven with experiments like Cavendish.
"You might find that Flat Earth theorists have some interesting gravity arguments related to the putative gravitational pull of the moon"
Who cares? Why should we care what some random person thinks reality to be when they cant present any evidence to support that?
"Young Earth Creationists argue that because the Moon gravity was not strong enough to keep the moon's alleged orbit constant they've actually calculated that the earth must be much younger than is commonly claimed"
Personal ignorance is not evidence for anything. This claim was debunked long time ago.
"So - there's some interesting gravity arguments out there in addition to yours."
Interesting arguments? No, not really. There are bunch of empty assertions based on personal ignorance and personal incredulity, but nothing interesting about those.
" Your claim was "Horizon would be perpendicular to earths center..." But the definitions don't read that way, because you alluded to "perpendicular" but the definition gets at "vertical""
Draw a circle, because you might even understand 2D, place a point in center, draw a line towards circle side, you will have reference line which will be the vertical one, then you can make line which is 90 degrees (perpendicular) to that original one and you will have horizon line. So that horizon line would be what bauble level is showing. Should i explain it one more time or are we good now?
"Seems to me that you are not really prepared to determine what is relevant to what the test administrator intended to achieve."
Isint thats the entire point in performing tests? If i want to measure buildings height and i start performing tests how animals bread, why would that test be relevant? You keep talking about some unrelated shit like that could impact main question here...
Ok, as you seam to like making shit up as you go, please explain how would having digital self recording level change outcome of plane experiment which was done to "prove/disprove" earths shape in relation to using basic level?
"I have not decided whether a level test is relevant or not."
So then you might know less about reality then you think. You might start looking into globe model, how it works, what it predicts, how gravity works and all that jazz, after this you can come back and apologize for wasting time with your nonsensical "arguments".
"I'm inclined to favor the level test because I like people who test hypotheses."
Riiiight, so you might like people who tests forest pixies too... Different than you some of us dont really like wasting time on crazy/ignorant peoples claims. We know that earth is a globe, thats simply a fact. Having different opinion about established fact isint interesting in any shape or form.
"AS to your "analogy" I did not find it compelling."
maybe because you are failing to understand even basics, like the fact that having level on a plane, even if its digital self recording with 50 decimal points, would not prove/disprove a shit when it comes to the shape of earth. You cant even understand that, so no wonders you failed to understand my analogy here.
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@baubljos103
"She said that if other don't comprehend your points - it's your fault"
Exactly what i was talking before, you keep adding some random stuff and now you simply saying that it my fault that you failed to understand basics here... Ok... Doesn't change the fact that you failed to understand basics here...
"If you don't like the "control" then you are free to propose an alternative. "
Why would I? Your "experiment" is pointless and would not prove anything. Having some control point for your level is meaningless in any case. You can have most accurate level in the universe, will not change the outcome of your experiment...
"But you failed to do so, which seems to imply that you oppose a "control"."
I'm not oppose to have a "control", I'm opposite in performing experiments which are useless.
"But I support the "level" test and I support other tests as well."
And i support caramel ice cream. What's your point?
"I asked if you've tested your hypothesis on Antarctica because Antarctica is a key factor in the Flat Earth Theory."
Why? Why would Antarctica have any impact on a level test? Why do you keep making nonsensical side steps over and over again? Will your next comment be about me going to moon and checking if some one landed on it to prove moon landing deniers that they are wrong?... C'mon... You sound more and more like some internet troll here...
"To which I say - 1st - even if they are "normal" - you failed to provide any proof that they authorized you to speak on their behalf. 2nd, you failed to prove that they are "normal". "
1st, i dont need their permission to say that i agree with them. Second, normal is something what is in majority. Hundreds of years ago it was normal to believe that earth is flat, it was wrong belief, but it was normal. While going back to reality, majority of people are educated enough to know that earth is not a pancake under the magical dome or something.
Are you some one who thinks that earth is flat or globe? If you know that its a globe, then you belong to normal people group, so you are part of "we". if you are not a normal person, then you are not part of that. So which one are you?
"You allege the insult "... How thick headed are you? ""
Ok.
"When you make a claim about "WE" - you are representing others. On doing so, your opponent is rightfully entitled to ask for your authority."
Which is false. I can happily say that we as a humans agree that we should not kill each other. Should i get written confirmation that i can say this too? I'm static basic things here where I agree with majority on specific topic, i'm not saying that i'm representing specific group of people and anything i say will apply to them... Why its so hard for you to grasp this basic thing?
"Without authority from your so-called "majority" you have not proved that they agree with you."
Jebus... Should i get some statistics to prove that i'm correct here?
"Also interesting that now you seem to support testing, whereas you seem to have opposed the level test."
That would be a straw man fallacy. Have you ever read what that means? You seam to toss some fancy words and names all over the place, yet you dont even know that you should not make basic logical fallacies here.
"For example, the tests could possibly be performed in outer space, or possibly at the center of the putative globe"
So like I said before, your personal ignorance isint evidence for anything. You don't need to perform Cavendish experiment in outer space or in a center of earth. Entire point of that experiment was to demonstrate that objects with mass attract objects with mass, where it was done will not impact actual results.
"The basis of the claim was not personal ignorance, the basis was the moon's alleged distance from earth. As such, your claim is false."
We, yes, we can calculate distance to the moon with 2mm accuracy, its not alleged distance from earth, we know what that distance is exactly.
And to got this basic thing through your thick head, "we" would be a human race in general, "we" as a accumulated knowledge by humans.
"I find the arguments and counter arguments are interesting."
Then you do you, i like actually meaningful arguments, you like random speculations and you like to waste time on those random speculations.
"Your analogies have failed previously, and you've previously resorted to fallacy and misrepresentation. AS such, I do not accept further analogies from you. "
So not only you failing to understand basic things here, you cant even understand analogies... Good to know.
"You are - essentially - advocating censorship. I reject that . "
Censorship? Are you drunk?
"I say the post is open to the public and anybody can reply."
Yes, you can reply, but when you start misrepresenting what other said and waste time with nonsensical irrelevant arguments, some apology could be nice to see. But you do you.
"You are not "we""
You keep repeating same point over and over again. Why? Do you think i will not get your objecting from first 5 times you said this? Or do you think that repeating something will make it true by default?
Tho funny thing about that word "we", definition would be: used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people considered together.
If you want I can get my GF written agreement that I can represent her about this specific topic and that she agrees with what I'm saying, so my usage of "we" is 100% accurate and your childish objection to it is just... Childish... Tho ironically you did complained about bad word usage which i said to only be issue with kids... So yea... ironic, I know...
"I understand precision because I was instructed in precision in calculus physics and statistics, among other courses which I ACED."
And? Are you saying that just because you got good grades you cant make a mistake? you could have 50 Nobel prizes will not make you correct on everything by default... If you ever aced anything relating to logical fallacies you would known this... So maybe go and learn that one instead of calculus?
"I've used extremely sensitive and precise measuring devices in testing hypotheses. So I claim that I do understand."
Sorry, but you don't understand. Having digital level for that plane "experiment" is as useful as having red shoes while measuring buildings height... How accurate your level is in that plane experiment will not change outcome of it, because that plane experiment will not prove anything in ether way. So your entire argument falls on its face.
"I reply that you failed to engineer and compose valid analogies and you failed to defend your analogies."
You dont need to defend your analogies, those are analogies... Do you even know what analogy is?
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@baubljos103
"If I failed to understand your claims the responsibility is yours, according to my instructor, because you composed your claims"
Does that make me wrong? If i say that 2+2=4 and you fail to understand this, would that make it wrong?
"The mere fact that you don't recognize a point does not mean that a point does not exist."
Then explain how would this plane experiment by using most accurate level in the universe would prove/disprove shape of earth? If you cant explain this basic thing then your experiment is pointless for the question given.
"And I asked if you've tested that hypothesis on Antactica because Antarctica is a significant location in FE theory"
You keep repeating what you said without actually explaining why it even matters... What difference does it make where i perform that experiment? As earth is a globe, what difference there would be to perform it in Antarctica? And if earth was flat, what difference would be then?... Like seriously, you keep coming back with some random irrelevant sentences here and then never actually explain why you even mention them...
"But if you want to make claims and not test them - that's fine with me"
Talking from personal experience i see. Tho that wasn't my claim or position, so thanks for yet another straw man.
"Based on my review of your claims here I infer that your claims and your reasoning are defective."
Says some one who thinks that we need to use digital level for this pointless plane experiment... Riiiiiiiiight, it is my reasoning which is defective... Whatever helps you sleep at night.
"My understanding of normality arises from the Statistics course I Aced"
You keep mentioning that you aced something like that would make any difference in your arguments... If you ever aced area relating to sound and valid arguments you would known that your "aced" is irrelevant. So you clearly dint aced more important thing here.
"And I'm inclined to infer that your claims about "normal" are fallacious."
You can infer, but until you can actually prove it to be false, we will stick with my claim.
"You made another "...thick headed ..." insult."
I did. Does that hurt? Will you go an cry in a corner? Why do you keep behaving like a child and crying that some one used words you don't like?
"Ok so you know how to insult people."
I do know how to insult people, but that wasn't meant to be an insult. If you think that it was... Och boy, you clearly never been in a real world and never heard actual insults...
"You claim "... Having digital level for that plane "experiment" is as useful as having red shoes ..."
Reply. I disagree."
Care to explain why? Or is this on a 3 grader level where you put your fingers in your ears and scream that you are correct and everyone else is wrong just because you said so?
"You ask "Do you even know what analogy is?"
Reply. Yes."
Care to elaborate your knowledge about it and explain why I should defend my analogy? Because if you know what analogy is then you would know that it doesn't require defense, its analogy and not a claim/argument...
Its interesting to see pattern here. You keep coming back with basic: "nah i'm correct and you are wrong" ok, care to support that statement? Care to explain why you think to be correct or to think that i'm wrong? Care to explain why would digital level have any impact on plane experiment? Or will you keep this childish behavior?
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@baubljos103
"You might be correct twice a day, but you could possibly be not right at all."
And?... You keep making some random irrelevant comments here... Over and over and over again... Why? Is this your intention or does it come naturally for you?
Your entire clock example, not analogy, is pointless and not relevant to the topic or to anything i said here, you simply make an example about broken clock being correct twice a day and maybe not even that in case its still some what ticking... Ok... Cool... And?...
"Whatever explanation I might try to provide you would be a waste of my effort"
So basically you are trying to say that you have perfect explanation which could stop my questioning why you made that silly comment but you will not provide it because i will not accept it?... Maybe before you start talking in behalf of me, for which i dint give you my written permission, and actually present your explanation and then we will see if i will accept it? Right?
"Levels test level, but the Globe Earth Theory is based on roundness."
Level tests level, which would be 90 degrees from earths center. So your word play is childish at best.
"Levels that I use test lines that are not necessarily horizontal, in other words lines that are sloped."
That still uses same exact principle as generic level... you still measure that slope in relation to the earths center.
"But you have already argued that you oppose the type of levels that I use, and that level is perpendicular. "
What is the reference point for your sloped levels? Is it banana? Is it apple? Maybe sun? What reference point do you use when you determine that this slope is X degrees?
"the person who Aced physics, calculus, statistics"
You keep repeating that like it has any relevance here... Argument stands on its own, not on who said it. Your aced physics, calculus, statistics will not change your argument, your argument is flawed even if you had 50 Nobel prizes and you would be some one who aced 50+ other categories. So why are you repeating same irrelevant information here?
"But you seem to oppose testing - and you cite your reasons."
Still a straw man fallacy, its a logical fallacy, but you should know this already as you made it before.
"Yes - you can draw 2 lines on your paper and claim they are perpendicular. However, your perpendicular lines are hypothetical, it's below the theory level."
Do you even understand what perpendicular is?... How the hell drawing 2 lines which are 90 degrees from each other would not make it perpendicular when this is what it is by definition of perpendicular? How often do you make shit like this?
"Applying your perpendicular hypothesis to a Globe Earth Theory, requires testing"
It requires knowledge of geometry you clearly dint aced.
" From a statistical point of view, a single perpendicular point compared to an infinite multitude of non-perpendicular points raises the potential for mathematical inference."
Its not a point, its that same width of your level. You have perpendicular short line, aka level. But now you just starting to play childish word game.
"Then there's the issue that a line is only 1 dimension"
And then we have issue that banana is yellow... At this point, you ether a internet troll or just some confused one, i will give it 50/50 chance.
When will we start talking about caramel ice cream? As that one seams to be related to the topic as any of your comment in here, so atleast we could talk about tasty food.
"Have you ever seen a suckling baby pulled from mammy's titty?"
Have you ever seen monkey throwing shit?
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@baubljos103
"Generally the "broken clock" analogy is used to address the issue of being "wrong" or "right" without a reliable formula for reasoning. "
Cool, now explain how this side track relates to the main topic here?
"Reading your claims has un-motivated me."
Truth hurts?
"And then you admonish me for doing what you've done "...before you start talking in behalf of me, for which i dint give you my written permission...""
Just using your own silly rules against you. You dont like that? Then avoid making such silly rules.
You keep repeating that i'm against tests or having base ground, while i have repeated that I'm not against that multiple times by now. So why are you keep trying to misrepresent my position even after you got correct?
"You seem to be missing the point, that only a single point on the level is putatively perpendicular. "
And? Its a reference point in any case and entire level is built to utilize that one single "point" to show at which angle you have more or less perpendicular angle. You side tracking is just amusing at this point.
" It's not like you've actually been to the center.
"
What? Mars doesn't exist because we never been there?... Yes, this is accurate analogy for your statement... Just because we never been at center of earth, doesn't mean there isint one... Center of earth is... Center of earth... Center of sphere... Center... Do you understand what center is? You do realize that not traveling to the center of earth will not imply that center of earth doesn't exist? Right?...
"Problem is that drawing pictures on paper does not test the hypotheses that you claim. "
If you cant even grasp basic geometry on 2d plane, how the hell would you grasp it on 3d space? Learn to walk before you attempt to run...
"According to the perpendicular picture you drew - there's only 1 point of intersection of the 2 lines. Now you seem to be claiming there's a multitude."
First of all, i dint drew any picture here, but i might, as you seam to have trouble by using your imagination, maybe you want to ace that one next time. Second, having level and its width is just a nice simplified representation of perpendicular line. But you failed with that one too, so i guess we are done with that topic.
" A yellow banana does not change the fact that line is 1 dimension but the earth is 2 or 3 dimensions, maybe more"
And? Your side tracking to say that i'm talking about 2d while earth is 3d would be a irrelevant,. again, side track. BEFORE we start talking about 3d space, YOU will have to understand how things work in 2d space. After all, 3d would be extra step and complexity above 2d space, so until you get basic understanding about this topic in 2d we cant move to 3d space. So your another thing to ace would be geometry in 2d space.
"I did see at the neuropharmacology lab a scientist had cut the skull off of a monkey head and implanted various wired electrodes for testing."
No no, it was instance on YouTube, cant remember if it was literal video or just some one in comment section doing that figuratively. Who knows, more investigation is needed, which is currently in progress.
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@scottheller1663
"You goona get vaccinated?"
Why not?
"You believe the covaids story?"
What?
" Trust fauci?"
What?
"Cant fix stupid"
True true, atleast we agree on one thing here.
"Well, what the fuck happened? We lost the map?"
We went there, investigated, found nothing in value or interest, we stopped going because each trip costs over 23 billion bucks... Its not cheap trip... Especially when there is nothing todo there...
"Go ahead, haven't been back in fifty years, goin back soon...."
Yes, going back soon, in couple years, to establish base on moon similar as ISS currently is in earths orbit.
"You've apparently already got it all figured out. Funny youth."
Ironically enough, yes. You have been brainwashed, nothing new here. Younger generation have more knowledge about critical thinking then you because we use internet more than you and we look for information more than you. Better education you get less likely you will be religious, because you know what is critical thinking and belief in god doesn't flow with critical thinking...
No one ever managed to present evidence for god's existence, no one even managed to prove that god could be actually real, yet you think that its more likely because some ancient book said so... C'mon... lets be real here... You simply want it to be real independent if it is.
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@ReturnOfHeresy
You dont need to verify everything. You can simply verify what you can, if that agrees with previous claims and results would lead to the conclusion of claim, you have good basis to take experts word. This in general only applies for natural claims. Like for example if i said that i have pet dog, you can take it on face value, as we know that human can get a pet dog, that dog's exist and so on, so there isint anything to indicate that i'm lying. If i said that i have pet tiger, well, this might require some extra fact checking, like basic checking where i live, do laws in my country allow pet tigers and so on. If i said that i have invisible fire breathing pet dragon, then you can straight away call bullshit and request actual evidence.
There are levels of trust, not just black and white. I dint investigate Big Bang theory in every aspect possible, but from everything i know it sounds quite a reasonable conclusion and I'm fine with that. Even if that gets shown to be false, it will not alter my world view that much. But if earth is actually true, then everything breaks apart, everything i can observe with my own eyes is a lie, so that would require allot more evidence to convince that its even possible to be real.
Like basic observation of sun shows that earth cant be flat. This is one of many things which can disprove flat and prove globe, but its enough to atleast dismiss entire flat earth claim.
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@justnoah2073
Well voting for Trump was voting for something different, to go against mainstream, same thing with flat earthers, quite few of them simply want earth to be flat because its against what government says. I don't know exact statistics but i can bet that you will have more flat earthers amongst flat earthers then amongst normal people.
I have no no idea what type of statistics he used here, but by my knowledge there are around 2% of flat earthers from US or globe population, cant recall exactly, but it could have been US, because most polls are done there. In any case, it is around 2% which would make sense. He might have included people who dint had any opinion about earths shape or people who never thought about it, like if you asked some one without education what is the shape of earth, more or less all of them will answer that it is flat because it looks like one. Doesn't mean they are stupid and we are doomed, we just need better education system.
Its hard to find decent research in how many flat earthers we have, because its quite useless thing to investigate. And we will always have stupid people, but due to access to internet we have quite few of them grouping up and making big fuss while actual number of them should be decreasing due to access to information.
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Fusion energy is being developed and it always feels to be just around the corner, tho there are quite few advancements being made recently due to bunch of new startups popping up everywhere.
Flying cars? We do have those, those are called "helicopters". We don't have actual flying cars because of actual noise pollution and actual danger in having bunch of people going all over the place, even now people can't drive on the roads, imagine them getting access to flying cars...
We do have personal jet packs. There are even jetpack races going on. Some rescue teams starting to use them in some situations.
Moon base is relatively easy to make, issue is with costs. Every single flight to the moon costed around one billion bucks, just to send 3 guys in a tin can. We went there, checked around, its just boring rock, turned around and went back home. From that point we were sending probes/robots, which is exponentially more cheaper.
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@cesarvazquez4234
"Let's make more ppl buy these 55k plus electric cars"
Price is going down, but generally speaking there is higher demand of those than there is supply, so while demand is higher than supply price will remain higher.
"questionable reliability"
Its not questionable, we know it to be more reliable than ICE cars.
"probably won't be diy cars"
Which ones are? And why would you need DIY car?
"and annual registration would be up the crap."
What now?
"dude I'm pretty u got a more chance of dying to damn road rage than a so call harmful emission"
Cool, then go (not actually suggesting here) to your garage, fire up your ICE car, close all doors and windows and enjoy that none toxic environment...
You are extremely short sighted... Its basically "If it dint killed me that means it has zero effect on me"... No... If it dint killed you it means that it doesn't have iminent effect on your health, doesn't mean that there is no negative effects in general. And that pollution not only, well, pollutes air, but it add to climate change, but its another topic on itself.
And just FYI you have higher change slipping in your bathroom and splitting your head than dying in car accident, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore car accidents... Your analogy is weird and irrelevant.
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@cesarvazquez4234
"It's funny to me how all the sudden everyone became car ppl and know everything about cars"
Isint its you who made original comment implying that you know everything about cars?... Isint that ironic on itself?
"If you care so much about climate change then take the bus, less ppl driving right. "
It needs to be group effort... if you just go and shit all over the place then rest people wont manage to actually prevent climate change... I mean, its already too late, we passed that line, now its only question how worst it will get before it gets better IF we lower emissions.
"But u won't lol I have a weird view."
Yes, you do have weird view, we agree on that.
"And guess what, servicing their own vehicle is a money saving."
So all those parts you replace you got for free? No need to buy them? You just patch everything with hot glue?
And just FYI electrical cars need allot less maintenance as you have like 100X times less moving parts, go figure.
"Or neighborhood mechanics being able to fix u know the car."
Just like back in the time people used horses and thought that owning car will be too expensive... And look where we are now... Its basically same situation, buying horse was cheaper than buying car, it even is now, but maintaining (feeding and all) horse is allot more expensive than a car. Same exact thing applies to EV's now, while it might cost more to actually buy one its maintenance/exploitation will be less.
"Smh cars are the pinnacle of reliability and emissions friendly still getting more and more better"
Do they? Do you have actual numbers how much "better" it got in past decade or two? And that doesn't resolve issue even if it did, its still way more than what EV's produce.
"Let's not forget electric run thru tires at a significant rate higher than normal cars because of weight"
Let's not forget that you don't need to change brake disks due to regenerative braking. Tit for tat I guess.
" There goes 2 percent less to 1 percent lol"
You still dint provided your citation for this 2% magical number, can you? Just to demonstrate that you are not some bozo who like to type away at something ya not even sure if it's true or false. Right?
"But hey 👋 dude u keep saving the world 🌎"
Yea, fuxk the planet, who needs it, we will be dead before it becomes to unbearable to live in it anyways, so who cares... Fuck the planet...
What is your actual argument here? You cant afford EV so its bad?
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@derrickwilson6712
"Yes flat earthers do agree on a model"
There isint one... That's the thing, there is no flat earth model, there is only basic idea of it, but there is no actual model.
"Just because u haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist"
? I have seen flat earthers presenting completely different claims about their fantasy land... All of them failed as no one of them matches actual basic observations, but point is that I have seen multiple different claims about this magical land. So your original argument is factually incorrect, some believe in space being real, some thinks that there is space and dome, some thinks that there isint space and so on... You are factually demonstrably incorrect here.
"Why do we have no videos or evidence of the moon being anywhere in the sky "at all" during a lunar eclipse."
? I guess you are just trolling here... Moon magically disappears during lunar eclipse? First of all, its lunar eclipse, so it kind of should be less visible as its behind earth directly, so no direct illumination by sun, but like, what the hell as you talking about here?
"You don't even know what a heliocentric model is."
I do, you might be confused here, i'm not flat earther...
"And science is constantly changing the globe models facts."
Its not changing, its refining, if you fail to understand difference here then you are as smart as any flat earther out there.
"There gonna change again and again."
Refined, not changed.
"The geocentric model hasn't changed for 6000 years dude."
? First globe model appeared in 3 century BCE, like 100 years before that first known geocentric model was made. No idea from whose ass you got that 6000 magical number. Are you young earth creationist? Because you starting to sound like one.
And bible quote? Seriously?... C'mon... This is low even for theist...
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@ningendaggermouth
"As I said no sane person will dump $60k into a hydrogen car...or a shitty plastic Jeep"
But this is not what you said, you said that people in general who pays more than 20k for a car have inferiority complex. It wasn't about hydrogen cars, it wasn't about poorly made cars, it was general statement of yours.
"And you can still buy solid cars for under $20k"
Yes, just like you could buy one for 100 bucks if you really wanted... Like, what actual point are you trying to make here? Car prices does have wide range, some are overpriced, some are not. New car for 20k or less will be some cheap tiny box "car". Can you get used one for that or less which is in good condition? Yes, but has no impact on actual point.
"dumping more money into something which purpose is to drive you around the city and that will usually depreciate the moment you start driving it, is dumb"
Tell me this then, from which magical place do you think used cars come from? Your magical 20k car was owned by someone before which drives price down over few years allowing you to buy it cheaper, years later. Welcome to economics 101.
"instead of investing money they waste it on some stupid ass status symbol "white Mercedes" just to show the world "how successful they are""
? Are you here just being jealous that someone can actually buy new Mercedes while you can't? Seriously... It so weird... Its like people can't spend their money in a way they want... If someone makes 500k in a year, I think they should be able to buy a car for 50k without you attempting to make fun of them for "wasting" money...
Are you one of those who buys used toilet paper because buying new one would just be inferiority complex?
"People are driven by the desire for others to envy them and they make wrong decisions"
Or people simply wants cool stuff?
"more and more cars are being repossessed because the idiots can't make the payments for their overpriced cars"
And?
"(and they are currently still the most inefficient no matter how much the author of this video would like to present it otherwise)"
Like, care to present actual factual numbers to show that those are inefficient? Because by all actual scientific research ever done it was shown that BEV's are the most efficient ones. So like, on what basis can you make such wild statement?
"Once I actually get my own home and save some money I would then and only then trade up from my current Dacia Sandero but the next car will still cost me under 20k and I'll enjoy driving it and laugh whenever I see an idiot driving a Bentley, a new Porsche 911 or a freaking G-class"
??? So your entire point is that YOU can't afford better car currently and YOU will spend money appropriate to what YOU can afford, while YOU will laugh at those who CAN afford better cars while saying that YOU will buy better one when YOU will be able to afford one...
What's going on here?... Is your entire point "Don't buy car you can't afford" by making it overly complex?
"so no it doesn't only have to be a 500k hyper car for someone to be a perfect example of an inferiority complex."
Correct, but you should learn to avoid making general statement when you are talking about exceptions... I'm not even arguing against the fact that some people who barely survives from payslip to payslip decides to go on vacation or buys expensive stuff just to boast to their friends. But this doesn't have anything to do with some people buying more expensive cars when they can afford one.
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@ningendaggermouth
"I had to stop reading when you pulled the oh so predictable jealousy card"
Because you sound like someone who is jealous of people who can afford more expensive cars...
"who dumped insane amount of money into his crappy Ferrari, Porsche, some ugly Aston Martin SUV and a G wago"
But we are not even talking about Ferrari here, we are talking about 20k+ cars, which is extremely cheap when it comes to cars in general, especially new ones.
"because you can buy a good personal city car for under 20k"
Yes, you could, or you could buy more expensive one if you have money... You could even buy a bicycle and avoid owning car in general... But it's non argument.
"and everything above it is just people stroking their fragile egos"
So they simply have money to spare?... Not everyone in the world are poor you know... Some can actually afford slightly more expensive cars, especially if they want to buy new one and not the one owned by 10 previous owners.
"but if that's the only option that you see for that price that's your problem"
That's the thing, its your problem. By your logic you should never buy anything more expensive than 500 bucks, because that car could serve your needs too... But there is the difference between buying car just to get from point A to point B and getting car which can do it allot more comfortably for more money.
"meaning even if I could afford it I would never buy one or anything in that price range"
Even if you were making 10 million in a year? You would not want to have a nice new unused car which provides all the comfort and features you could get?
"to drive around the crowded Euro city"
That's the funny thing, you could (in US you can) get something like Tesla BEV with FSD which would drive for you, you could relax and enjoy actual trip. Would that be a flex or buying something for your own convenience? Especially if you can afford it.
"because I will do me and stay true to my values no matter the amount on my bank account"
That's fine... You do you, issue is just with your incorrect statements here...
Will clarify something here. Ironically enough I'm looking for a new car and I'm looking for something in a price range of 15k, was thinking about max 10k initially, but due to how low quality those cars are with barely any newer features I would like to get, had to go slightly higher. Which is basically max what I would be ready to give for my next car. Its not like I can't afford more expensive one, I can, its just that there is no point to do so for me personally. Main thing for me is to get newer car with more modern technology in it for to last like 10+ years before it starts to become completely outdated across the board. If I could I would drive single car for my entire live, but car's do break and at some point there is no longer a point to keep fixing it.
Point is, if someone is buying new/used car which is more expensive than YOU can afford, this doesn't mean that they are trying to flex, maybe, just maybe they can afford it and they want to own that car and it is beneficial to them.
Additionally. Buying BEV which initial cost is higher than ICE car can be more money saving than buying cheaper ICE one due to lack of maintenance costs and cheaper "fuel". So my question would be: Is it really a flex to buy a car which saves you more money in long run?
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I mean, TF is a grifter, but like... Hyponatremia, do you know what is it? Its water poisoning, its when you drink to much water. So, while water is essential to our survivability, if you drink to much of it you risk of actually dying. Keeping this in mind, its not an issue with CO2, its an issue with amount of it. Plants do consume CO2, but there is basic limit on how much they can. This becomes even bigger issue when you get things like expanding deserts, deforestations and so on.
Issue is with amount.
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@loandbehold5178
Reason for investors would be to make money... Currently there is no financial benefit to go to Mars, Musk himself said this multiple times and this is why he is funding all of this from his own money, primarily from what Starlink will be making.
What you said was an implication that Musk wants to ruin this earth to go to Mars, which makes no sense, as this isn't the goal of mars colonization, never was and never will be, after all as bad it could get here on earth it will be better than it will be on mars from day 1. So making a sheltered colony on earth would make way more sense than to make one on Mars. Colony in a sense of building some enclosed self sustaining mega shelter in case earth's atmosphere can no longer sustain life.
If you have this idea just because Musk does it, then just say it, but to make up such silly arguments is just, well, silly.
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@jimbrogan9835
"please give the specific scripture where the Bible says the earth is a "flat pancake"."
It doesn't say those exact words, after all, bible is as wage as it comes. I have literally seen 2 Christians using same exact verse as proof that earth is a globe and flat in same comment thread...
But well, few verses for you:
"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "
"Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) "
""He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)""
""He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)""
""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)""
""that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)""
""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)""
"I am not here to defend the Bible"
Then don't, especially if you are not familiar with what it actually says.
"You sound like an angry child looking for someone to lash out at"
Just correcting people with their false statements.
"You have obviously never read the Bible so you are lashing out with ignorance of both it and me. Grow up."
Well, we will clearly gonna test this one right now. I have presented multiple verses which at worst for you indicates earth being flat pancake, now you should provide atleast ONE verse which indicates earth being a globe.
Side thing, are you now agree that earth isint suspended on nothing but in constant motion? Can we atleast agree that bible got that one wrong?
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@jimbrogan9835
"I have read 13 different translations of the Bible"
Which only proves how useless it is. If you have more than on posible translation of a text, that only means that its not clear enough to be used for anything.
"The word that you claim translates as circle is also translated as sphere"
Yet the fact that this is only maybe could be the case that people who wrote that verse wanted to express that earth is a globe and not flat... but... This would be long stretch at best as there isint any indication in entire book that people realized that earth is actually spherical and not flat. And then you add up that simple fact that it was common knowledge that earth is flat... So what you get exactly? Which translation of this word would be more correct? Sphere or flat disk?
On top of this, actual experts who translated bible doesn't use word "sphere", they used word "circle" which mainly translates into flat disk. Why? Because this is its intended actual translation...
"You believe the Bible is wrong and will make any argument to uphold your beliefs"
Bible is wrong on allot bigger things than shape of earth. The fact that people who wrote this book of fables thought that earth is flat isint even big deal.
"If the Bible and every Religion based on it were proven wrong in their entirety my faith in God would remain unshakable"
First of all, thats just shifting burden of proof... No one needs to disprove your book, YOU need to prove it. Second, that only means that you are closed minded and you dont care what actually is true, you already picked answer you like independent of evidence. So you are the worst person to have any conversation relating to god's existence.
"My faith is reinforced by every discovery of science and nature"
Yes majority of scientists are atheists and those who are not, well, majority from those will not even claim that science proves god... So there is clearly something wrong with your thinking here...
"I do not need the Bible to be right, but in this case it is."
Your entire religion is based on bible being right... but its not... Its just a book of fables and nothing more.
"You insist that the earth is not suspended upon nothing because it moves? What a ridiculous argument."
Why? If you think that earth moving t multiple vectors while constantly falling towards sun is being suspended. Then what isint? Like seriously, if earth is suspended by your logic, in which situation it would not be?
"The Bible is not a book of science!"
Clearly... It cant even get correctly shape of the earth...
"The Bible attempts to convey the religious beliefs, history and culture of one small tribe of people."
? So what you are saying that bible made sense only back in the day and god inspired this book knowing that in the future it will be looked at like a book of fables because it makes no sense? Its not a good plan by your god I might say...
Tho, why is your god isint capable of convening something complex in a simple CORRECT words? Like why not say "Earth is like a round rock going around sun" why is this sentence to complex to be understood by this small tribe?
And why is this only for this small tribe? Is your god playing favorites?
"Your racial and social intolerance is despicable"
What? Racial ans social? What the hell man? When did any of those came into conversation? Is this some sort of childish attempt to accuse me of being racist and dismiss everything I say based on that stupid claim? Are you ok?
"All cultures, races, religions and peoples deserve respect."
Respect is earned, not given.
Do you respect Hitler?
"Hating people who are different than yourself or who disagree with you is moronic and borders on insanity."
Damn... You are seriously but hurt believer here... I don't hate people, I hate religions, try to put this into your thick head.
And yes, I will use harsh word, you deserve this after you tried to imply all this stupidity about me.
"If you insult people they will insult you back"
Go for it, if there is a reason to insult me, fine, I dont really care, its just a words. Reality is allot more harsh than someone insulting you on internet.
"You can't win an argument by insulting people"
You can win argument while insulting people.
"Yes, flat earthers are dangerous"
Ironically enough flat earthers is just another type of religion, just like yours. Think about that.
"so are people who are intolerant of any view, perspective or opinion that is not their own."
Like Crusades?
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Kevin Moyer
"Is this your first time hearing about flat earth?"
Sadly, its not. I was "debating" flat earthers some time ago, then i realized that they have little to none understanding about basic geometry, so i stopped and found some what more logical people: theists... Tho that one started to look similar to what i had with flat earthers, some what better, but not really. This video showed up in my recommendations, so i watched it, then started to comment, duno if it was good idea...
"I'll take the time tomorrow and destroy those stupid links you posted"
Och, this will be fun to watch. I wonder if you even understand basic geometry. I need to get some popcorn or something.
"Then when I'm done, you won't reply (with anything of value)"
I have more links, tho you will not even manage to disprove those i provided, so no need. But in general i'm not the one who stops replying. Unless youtube decides not to put your reply into notifications... Which happened multiple times already with other conversations which sucks... As i have to manually go throw old conversations to check if there are any replies...
"And you'll disappear, like the rest of them"
NEVER!
"You'll hear from me soon"
Why not now? Its literally takes like 2 minutes to make a comment, even tho you already made one right now... And instead of actually debunking atleast one of the links you ended up with pointless comment announcing that this magical destruction will come on later date... I can wait... But i'm always baffled with people who makes comment to announce that they will make a comment... Ok...
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Kevin Moyer
"and you never mention the basic geometry that I'm explaining to you"
Ok, lets test your basic geometry understanding:
1. What curvature should we expect to see if we would lived on a such huge spherical object as earth and we would be on its surface?
2. Should sun size change throw day if we lived on flat plane and sun circled around us?
3. is it possible to bring back object with a zoom when its disappeared over the horizon?
4. is it possible for sun to be hidden over horizon if we live on flat plane?
I have quite few more, but lets see if you manage to answer to those ones.
"there will need to be 7.98 inches per mile squared of curvature"
At which place in this "equation" you insert observers height? Because without that this is worthless number when we are trying to apply it in reality. Right?
"And you don't address the 12 mile observation of the geothermal stations"
because i have no idea how far that object actually is or how high photographer was. i will not trust flat earther who will try to twist reality to his needs... This is why i presented photos and videos which are independent from what i could say about them, like height at which it was taken. Because that becomes irrelevant when you can see obvious curvature.
"or the 275 mile observation of the world record long distance photo"
Och that one... Do you know what it was photographed and from where? Will help you out here: Big mountain from top of big mountain... Did you ever wondered why it is like that? Why do you need to go up and photograph something tall to get this distance record? Maybe because earth is not flat?
"then you claim you won't see any curvature left to right in your vision"
On surface of earth, you will definitely not see that.
Och, one another question from basic geometry: When you increase circle radius, what happens with its edge line? Does it sustain its curvature or does it starting to flatten out until you cant really notice that it is curved?
"Its pretty clear who's not understanding geometry and looking at all the evidence"
Och, this will really be fun after you fail to answer to all those basic questions!
"'ll get around to explaining to you why your links are wrong, but I've had company the last several days"
Cool excuse... But that would took you less then it took you to make those 2 comments... Why cant you explain why first one of Toronto is wrong without spending 1 week with preparation for that?
"I haven't had the time to completely make you look foolish"
Yea, you have been busy by making yourself look foolish, its understandable... I can wait... No rush... Globe earth will not go anywhere anyways...
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@PaulBriden
Tesla had raised prices before to accommodate higher demand, this is why now its dropped as supply started to catch up with demand.
Is charging not at home more expensive than it is to refuel with petroleum? Like, what point have you even tried to make there. Some countries have higher electricity prices, ok... What's your point?
I have no idea what you are trying to say with Ebay here... Do you have some secret stats indicating on for how long and how many sales Ebay makes or something? Like, Tesla model Y got second place in UK last year when it comes to sold car numbers, so like, clearly people are buying new ones...
And just like any ICE car after few years you will start spending crap ton of money on maintenance. So like, what's your point? Losing few % on range is worse than spending hundreds if not thousands on maintenance just to keep car working?
And once more, no idea what point you tried to make with your friends leasing Teslas. Why they will not be leasing them again? You mentioned depreciation, which was basically one time thing and people who got that car days or weeks before it did suffered low blow, but that has nothing to do here with actual car's value.
Do you have any actual valid arguments here or was this your best attempt?
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@4ytonly
"Its been 2 months since the Ukrainians started their counteroffensive"
Its been like 9 months since Russia started this war. How is it going? Good? Gaining new lands?... Or loosing?
"which are btw the land the Russians abandoned"
Well at this pace Russia will "abandon" Ukraine in next year, so I guess its all good.
"Russia is still in control of 15% of the Ukrainian land"
And? Wasn't it more? Why this percentage number going down?
"And those 300k newly recruited men are about to enter combat"
Without appropriate equipment and training at winter time? Yea, good luck with that. If they manage to reach front lines without freezing, they will either freeze at front lines or will get massacred. Russia already failed to supply existing army, this 300k cannon fodder wont help, it will make it even worst.
"The whole NATO is helping Ukr"
Giving out some scraps, here and there. But isint it strange that like rest of the world is for Ukraine and against Russia? Maybe that single country isint in right here?
"with very little to show"
Actually the fact that Ukraine managed to stop and now push back Russia is a major show, not only it showed that Russia can't take Ukraine, it showed that Russia is weaker then it was thought before.
"Tens of billions of taxpayers money wasted, inflation rampaging, gas prices soaring.."
Yea, Russia is f**ked.
"And do you really think Russians will fold!?"
Who cares? It's a war, Russians either fold or go back home in bags.
"They never fold."
And they keep failing. There is a reason why Putin is afraid of NATO, having friends is always nice, while Russia has no friends left, its all alone and all those existing "friends" can backstab Putin at any moment. They can never fold, but nobody really cares.
"There are only 2 outcomes, Russians win or we all perish in a nuclear WW3."
And this is exactly why entire world is for Ukraine and against Russia. We should not negotiate with terrorists.
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@foreverbooked2964
Well you have right to your own opinion, but you don't have right to your own facts. Belief is not a choice, you ether believe or you don't, i cant choose to believe in magical space pixies farting out universes after eating tacos, this is not how reality works. And core issue with religions is not that you have people having those beliefs, but that those individuals will use their beliefs in their daily actions, which in case its based on fantasy, will more likely cause harm than good to others. I have no issue with some one believing in god is he is living alone, his entire life, but this is not the case, you will effect others with your belief and we should eliminate false beliefs as many as possible.
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@foreverbooked2964
"Because I do not fully know if gods exist or not"
Knowing and believing are 2 separate things.
"But i guess why for the time being I believe they exist is because they give you a sense of hope"
So you just want it to be true independent if its actually is true?
"Even If that's running away from the harsh truth, i couldn't care less about it"
Which is main issue with religions. You hide from reality. Its like when some hurricane goes throw thousands of people houses and instead of actually doing about it and helping people you simply pray... Praying doesn't work, has no effect on reality. Same as believing in something what you cant demonstrate to be true but you will make decisions in your life based on that will lead you to more destructive route.
"The sense of security stays with you forever"
False sense of security. You are not secure, you simply think that you are, which, again, is dangerous. Jumping from a building and having sense of security that your imaginary thing you call god will save you will result in quite predictable way... Splash...
"At the same time, I have nothing against atheism"
if you are rational then you cant have anything against atheism, as its just a rejection of empty assertion that some gods exist.
"both atheists and theists are equally correct and equally wrong."
False. Atheism is not a claim that god is not real, atheism is rejection of your claim that god is real. We are not on equal grounds here, not even on same category. Its not 50/50 that you are correct and i'm wrong, you cant even give chance value in how likely god is real, so you cant calculate any probability from that. But share fact that your position requires for literally magic to be real, you are on terribly low footing here
"consider me as somewhat an in between."
You ether theist or atheist, you cant be in between.
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@foreverbooked2964
"You forgot to quote that I also separate my contemporary from my religion"
But you cant. Your beliefs will effect your actions and your thoughts even if you try actively separate them. In one or another way, it will have effect.
"I loved how you ignored it."
I did not, i simply skipped it as it was irrelevant.
"I never said that I want it to be true irrespective of whether it actually is. Dont take it out of context you're complicating matters for yourself."
So when you said "Even If that's running away from the harsh truth, i couldn't care less about it" was what exactly?
"Because I know going to deep into religion or being overly religious is harmful."
Yes, and your smaller amount of religion only lowers harm, not eliminates it.
You seam to agree with me while at same time attempt to disagree...
Religions are based on personal opinions and not on reality, this can't get you any actual value. Like for example, if you encounter some one believing in Santa you would look at this person strangely, yet when you look at yourself believing in pretty much same exact thing just labeled as "god(s)" its seam to you perfectly fine. Why is that? is believing in Santa until you die at age 90 gives you only benefit without any harm?
"The sense of security is enough"
Which is dangerous when you think that you are secure while you are not. Correct?
"As I said earlier I believe gods exist but they left the universe to work on scientific principles."
Which is purely based on your personal opinion and not reality. So why would you believe that?
"And yes there are people who are in between. There might not be a term for it."
yes, its called: nonesense.
You can only be one of two things: theist or atheist.
Its impossible to have another option. You ether believe in god(s) or you dont. That's it. Your "i dont know" is not part of theism, so dont mix those ones. Its binary option, not a quantum mechanics with infinite positions..
"But these people are like me who KNOW science is real but only BELIEVE that god(s) are/were real."
So you are theist. Full stop. You are not in between theism and atheism, you are theist.
"Why do atheists always assume that all religious people are religious fanatics who see god as the only answer and completely disregard science?"
Why do all theists assume something what atheists never claimed to be?
I dint said that you are fanatic in any sense, what i actually said that your personal opinion about reality will cause more harm than good because its not based on reality. You could be some one with 50 Nobel prizes, would not change my point.
"what problem do you have with a person who believes in gods but also believes in science"
in general nothing, in some sense i dont give a flying f**k what people believe, issue is what you will do with your beliefs. You could believe in space pixies farting out universes, would not care if you lived alone your entire live, but you are not, you live amongst others and you will spread your personal opinion about god's to others like its some fact from reality or this belief will effect your actions in one or another way. This is the issue.
"I mean, they are not doj you any harm, as opposed to people who only rely on religion and never on science"
So you want to say that 9/11 was performed by flat earthers? You have quite few religious people who accepts science while believing literal interpretation of their book. Yes, its contradictory to accept science and believe in literal interpretation, but we are talking about religions here, not about actual scientific approach...
Just to be clear here, if i sound harsh, well, sorry, but it just tingles my spider senses when some one tries to put science and belief in god(s) on same level when they are not even from same category. Science is based on reality, belief in god is based on your fuzzy feelings in your balls. So in general i cant see some one who is actually intentionally rational and knows how science works and at same time thinks that god(s) are real. That just doesn't add up.
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@foreverbooked2964
"No I am talking about the many atheists who say that all theists are fanatics who'll do anything in the name of god. "
? Its like for me to say "I'm talking about many theists who impose their fantasy on others"... First of all, not many, poor choice of words, in both cases, theists or atheists, you only have tiny part of them who behave like that. But lets not generalise everyone on a small portion, just a friendly advice, after all, you would loose comparison like this, badly.
"That's great but as I said I assure you, I will never do anything stupid or idiotic in the name of religion."
Yet it wasn't my point. Any belief you have will effect your actions even if you are not avare of this.
"As I said I dont know if that's true because science hasn't yet predicted what happened way before, in nothingness"
Doesn't that make it god of gaps argument? FYI Its a logical fallacy.
"The moment we know for sure that gods never existed at all, I'll turn to being an atheist."
And this is your fundamental issue. Actual rule you should follow is: Everything doesn't exist until proven to exist.
In you case you believe in god(s) until some one manages to disprove them... Which is not how rational human should actually approach things like that.
"that's because i know Santa isnt real. But the same can't be said about gods"
Can you prove that Santa is not real? No, you cant. Can we prove that God is not real? No, we cant. Yet, you accept one and reject another. Why? They are on same exact level, both made up by humans, both have no evidence and both can be real or not.
"As I said before, we dont know what happened way way before."
So then say "I don't know" and not "i don't know there for god did it", this is god of gaps argument 101, aka argument from personal ignorance or personal incredulity... In any case, its a logical fallacy, unless you are not interested in logical fallacies... Are you?
"And man you sure do type long comments."
Yes, i do. Well, i have to. When you make bunch of sentences and each of those needs to be addressed in atleast one sentence or more, you will have long response. I could skip some of them, but then, skipping and not addressing them would kind of imply that i agree with you and you are correct, which is not the case.
To sum up issue with your particular world view: its based on logical fallacy.
if you are not interested in being logically consistent, then its fine, keep your belief, but that is not a scientific approach in any sense. Saying that you will stick with god until some one proves it false when you never proved it to be true, is logical fallacy. By this logic you can believe any crazy thing until some one manages to disprove it. While at same time your particular belief is more or less unfalsifiable, which means that it cant be shown to be false, yes, you cant prove that god(s) are not real, so you literally picked position which cant be shown to be false and your criteria to stop believing in it is when some one does impossible... Do you see issue here?
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@zepkauvaka8316
"your condescending talk down on me is laughable and I'll let it go seeing you resort to ad hominem"
Stating facts is not adhominem. You literally don't understand basic physics here, I'm not saying that you are wrong because you are ignorant, I'm stating the fact that you are wrong and you are ignorant about this topic.
"since you can never humble yourself and admit you can't and will never be able to prove a GLOBE EARTH"
First of all, i can, but then what's the point. We already established that at this moment in time you lack of basic knowledge about basic physics. You can count this as adhominem if you want, but currently its like teaching a child about nuclear fusion reactor, you can explain it as many times as you can but you will still not get any results because child needs base understanding of some fundamental physics before we can talk about anything more complex. In this case you lack basic understanding about basic physics, so i have no idea where we can go from this point on. I'm not here to teach you middle school science, i'm not getting paid for it... So maybe learn that and after you do, return and we can have a talk.
And just FYI basic observation of sun proves globe earth which only requires 1 buck solar filter and some spare time, you dont even need to do any actual calculations. If you can grasp this basic concept then we can move into anything more complex then that, but if you cant, then there is no point. Learn to walk before you try to run.
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@shedroids
"Just like your name"
What about my name?
"Why do you think it's a globe---> when did you last get a look!!"
Have you been outside of your basement?... Sun has 4 glaring (cha, pun) proofs that earth is globe and not flat. Simple observation of sun proves that. Not even talking about couple dozens of other things which proves globe earth and disproves flat one.
"Now, I am just an "earther"..."
Ignorant earther*
"So, when did you last SEE the entire freaking earth LOOK like a globe??"
Och, so Australia is not real because you never seen it with your own eyes? Right? Do penguins exist? Have you seen them? Em I real? You never seen me, so by your logic i could not be real. Right?...
You dont need to see actual earth from 4000km away to know that its globe...
"you mean you saw the GLOBE at the store with the map on it, OH... I SEE!"
Sadly, you dont see... Your ignorance is not proof of anything,
"Good luck with that DUMB argument"
It is dumb, but i dint made it, you did. So what does it say about you?
"People like you are dead-ended, suffer from cognitive dissonance"
? Do you even know what cognitive dissonance is?... Because its clear that you dont if you think that its correct way to use it here...
"and very mocking of others"
Ridiculous ideas can be ridiculed. Right?
"Let me guess---> Liberals!"
Let me guess---> Muricans!
Yes, A is missing, as you don't deserve it because of your ignorance level.
"return with an intelligent explanation to why you believe it's round"
We have brains and basic understanding of geometry. Do you have that?
"You hate being put on the defensive, eh!"
Not really, i can put anyone into place while being in defensive or offensive, doesn't make big difference here. You would only hate that if you could not defend your position, which says allot about you.
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Few basic facts here. First hydrogen combustion engine invented in 1806, fuel cell in 1969, so this tech isn't new, its ancient. Second, while it takes to charge BEV's tiny bit longer, that tiny amount is worthless when you consider the fact that you will be paying like 10x more for hydrogen refueling just to save extra 10 minutes, and yes, 10 minutes, as you can go from 20% to 80% on BEV in like 15 minutes, while it takes around 5 to refuel hydrogen car. So that 10 saving is actually you wasting your money. Next, hydrogen needs to be produced, by using electricity, and using more of it, so your complain about BEV's shifting pollution to power plants is even worse complain for hydrogen.
Lithium production isn't big issue and we have quite few new battery technologies which either lowers lithium usage or removes it entirely, on top of this, you can recycle old batteries and reuse that same lithium to make new batteries, over and over again.
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@surfingonmars8979
Do you even know what ad hominem attack is?... Because this wasn't it... So just learn what logical fallacies actual mean before you try to use those next time.
Going back on topic. Ukraine isn't part of NATO, at the start of war you would have hardly find anyone who would have said that we should throw everything into this war and help out Ukraine to fight back, this in time changed, peoples view changed on it, countries started to allocate funds for that, it started to change with time... This is why you have this increase in Ukraine support over time... That's the basic reality. And while at the moment "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" type situation, no one knows what will happen after war ends. Ukraine is not a dictatorship, current president will be replaced with someone else in a year or so, which means that his replacement can be someone who could be pro Russia, chance is low, but previous presidence was one of those, so its definitely possible. Sooooo, using basic logic and not logical fallacies, feeding Ukraine with crap tone of military equipment which might or might not get over to Russian side one way or another isint smartest move in the world, just like most countries providing military support to Ukraine realizes.
To be crystal clear here, I would be really happy if Ukraine kicks Russian ass with provided enormous support, i would be all in for that, but that would be short sighted and not so smart to do. We are supporting Ukraine and we will do it until this war is resolved.
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@reportercrusher2411
"Not trees on earth so I mean if I have the real photocopy-roll"
Yet you want to make an argument that photos are fake, which should not matter what is shown in them in general. Tree or an alien. If you want to say that photos from space are fake then you should have a method to determine this. Do you have one?
"Stalin was photoshopping in 1942. "
Did you photoshoped videos too? Did he photoshoped in an earth from space?...
"there are more things possible because they or people or governments hide patents of very unknown techniques"
And? First of all, you have no idea if there is such thing. Second, even if there was one, there is no need to photoshop photos from space when you can simply launch a rocket over there... Third... First photos appeared during cold war with rusia, which means that if some one would have photoshoped anything and faked shit it would have been publicized all over the world... Your argument is as sound as pineapples on pizza... Just doesnt make any sense...
"When its digital , I do not have the equipment at home to run a decent program over it or in sink with it. "
Then you have no rational justification to say that those are fake if you cant even confirm that those are fake... Your personal opinion is not evidence for anything, its not even evidence for yourself...
"But Stalin ( or his IT specialist )is already a photoshopping in WOII. "
? Do you seriously think that they used computer to remove people from photos?
"Ánd I have bin fighting 31 years to prove and convince people of massive corruption by the fifa en the KNVB"
Good for you, when you can do that you will prove that there is corruption in those places but it will not disprove photos from space... Why do you even mentioning this? Its irrelevant to the topic...
"And if I’m wrong a have no problem admitting that. "
What would convince you that you are wrong about phots from space? like seriously, what?
"If you whant proof of the photoshopping being much earlier then you claimed to know. Leave your email ...."
Painting over photos is not a photoshop. Even if you have photoshop 500 years before first photo of earth from space was taken, that will not prove that photos have been photoshoped... Lets say for sake of argument that government is 500 years technologically ahead of general public, they are not, but lets pretend that its true, how would that disprove photos taken from space? Or even, how would that disprove globe earth?
Earth is round not because some one said so, but because it provable fact from reality. Anyone can do this, anyone can determine shape of earth without even using a single equation. Photos from space are just cherry on a cake, you can remove cherry and you will still have that same cake... And i don't even like cherries...
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@Spha_gatsheni
There isn't much to increase anymore, it's basically at peak performance already. Hydrogen fuel cell technology was invented in like 1839, while it improved over all these years, it was tiny steps and in recent decades it basically remained exactly same. There is limited amount of energy per 1kg of hydrogen. Currently we are getting around 40-60% of energy, theoretical maximum would be around 80%, that's basically at max 30% efficiency increase if you can reach limits of physics, which isint really realistic, as theoretical maximum will always be way higher than real world.
Just like you could now have LNG tank in your car trunk... We have hydrogen cars, Mirai is one of those. It has 3 huge tanks which makes central console huge, back seat tiny and trunk cramped. Max range: 400miles.
And when it comes to weight, ironically enough Hydrogen doesn't have head start here. Tesla model Y is basically exact same weight as Toyota Mirai. To be fair Model Y does have slightly lower max range, but it has allot more space inside of it, so if you would try to get that space back in Mirai you would be down to like 200miles range max.
And no idea why you mentioned solar here. You can charge BEV's from solar, in any case you will need less of that electricity for BEV's than you will for hydrogen cars.
And NASA is space agency and hydrogen application is way different from what you would be using it for. In some cases hydrogen is better solution than basic batteries, but those are few and in between. And just FYI majority of that is being used as rocket propellant, because you know, hydrogen likes to burn/explode which is perfect for rockets, not so good for passenger cars
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@micahhuppert1374
Nano carbon tube batteries are in extreme early development, while we can create few of those on tiny scale, there is still needs to be made scalable process, which could take decade or two, but tech is here already, it's an issue with scalability, just like hydrogen.
Issue is that we have to transition to some sort of alternative. Hydrogen could have worked as middle step between gas and batteries like 20 years ago, but now, there is no point anymore. To build one hydrogen station costs around 1 million bucks, to build one BEV charging station costs around 50k, lets assume that you need 30 minutes of charging BEV and 5 minutes to fill up hydrogen car, which would be 6:1 ratio, so we are still looking at 300k to 1million, its still 3x more expensive to build hydrogen stations. This excludes actual maintenance costs, and believe me, those are huge for hydrogen ones. Top this with the fact that any wall socket can be your charging point only means that hydrogen doesn't really have much chances here to be anything more than someones expensive hobby.
Hydrogen sounds only cool on paper, but sadly it doesn't scale when you start looking into it from start to end.
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@jessebryant9233
"Are you one of those tools who thumbs themself up?"
Never give myself thumbs up, like EVER. But thanks for showing yourself to be even that dishonest.
"How do you know that?"
Because there is no evidence to even imply that there is none material things so its logical to conclude that such thing is not real. I might correct that to satisfy your silly stance to: by current knowledge nothing points to supernatural being real.
Would that be better for you?
"ALL laws are immaterial"
Those are concepts. Are you saying that your wizard you call god is a concept? Because we will agree on that.
" And is honesty a physical thing? If so, you don't seem to be in possession of it!"
Says some one who accused me of liking my own comment. C'mon, you are the last person to talk about honesty here.
"Zrips, stop lying to yourself and obfuscating"
You are terrible troll. Is it you who fails to confirm his beliefs in wizards and magic when some one asks him and simply obfuscates answer and redirects conversation? Should i copy/paste exchange where this happen?
"Here you again deny the faith you clearly have and demonstrate the very ignorance I was referring to before that you call "dishonesty""
Again, i dont have faith, i have no use from it, but thanks for admitting that faith is a shitty position.
"You're a liar"
That's what we normal people call: Being dishonest.
Calling some one a liar is a huge accusation. Did i called you a liar when you said all this shit which you cant prove to be true? Nope. You know why? Well first of all i'm more honest than you. Second, you might be brainwashed and simply spreading false information without knowing that its false. Lying implies that you know truth.
"Consensus ≠ science"
Yet when you have majority of actual experts disagreeing with your personal ignorant opinion, well, i will go with experts and not you personal ignorant opinion.
"And history is replete with examples of so-called "science" being debunked."
Ironically enough in most cases when it was debunked it was due to it not being scientific to begin with but being based on some sort of religion. Isint that strange?
"You wish! But no, not at all."
As you are not claiming that majority rejects evolution, then it means that we can go with my statement that majority do agree with evolution being true. Cool, we sorted that one out.
"You need to pay more attention to what you're reading and not let your emotions get the better of you—that make you say such silly things"
Well some one starts feeling his ass burning as it seems. You objected to my claim that majority of scientists accepts evolution, i pointed out to evidence to support my claim and now you just "BUh what majorify sais dont mak it trufh" correct genius, it doesnt make it correct just because majority said it, but when you have waste majority is smartest people on earth and actual experts saying something to be true from that specific area its quite likely that its actually true.
Do you seriously go to doctor and when he says that you have cancer you like "Third doctor saying this to me, it must be false!!! And my mailman said that i dont have, so i will go with his personal opinion"... This is your argument basically.
"You would need to argue for that—rather than confuse fiction with the claim being made"
Does that mean that you are an atheist?
Its ironic to see people like you who accuse some one obfuscating while you cant provide actual answer here. So will repeat: Do you believe in some sort of god? Irs YES or NO question.
Tho on side note, over the years every single time some one is scared to admit what their position is on belief in god its always ends up with them admitting that they do believe in god. Do you know why? Because atheists are not scared to admit to not believe in wizards and magic, but you do. Prove me wrong and just say "Fuck ALL god's" and lets test my theory here.
And wont bother to reply to rest of your childish comment. Friendly suggestion would be to grow up, like seriously, grow up, start behaving like one and try to have decent conversation with people and maybe then you wont look like some generic ignorant troll dush on internet. Just a friendly suggestion.
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@jessebryant9233
"As for your claim about "nothing" pointing to anything supernatural. Well, that is a claim, not an argument"
Its not a claim, if you wish to counter this then present us example of supernatural which was confirmed to be real. Go for it.
"What we do know is that nature could not have caused itself—and so something outside of an independent of nature must be responsible. So clearly you're wrong."
So clearly you are wrong. No one said that universe caused itself, but that doesn't mean that cause needs to be supernatural. We have more than enough examples of natural thing causing another natural thing. If we are talking about Big Bang, it only talks about ALREADY existing energy/matter expanding from single point, that is not a claim that there was literally nothing before it, so Big Bang could have been caused by another natural thing and not some wizard.
"However, the magic you mislabel as 'evolution' is just a concept"
Evolution is a fact, you might not like it but that doesnt change the fact that its a fact.
"Well, can you demonstrate the first or are you just a liar?"
You just did it for me. Calling some one liar without supporting evidence is being dishonest, so thanks for proving me correct.
" On the second, you just appealed to something immaterial while deny that anything immaterial exists."
Concepts would be electrical patterns in our brains, those are material.
"And what belief of mine have I failed to confirm?"
Any, you failed to confirm that you are theist, there have been multiple questions from me and others asking about your actual beliefs and you dodged that question by obfuscating it with silly statements like that. Why are you scared to admit that you are theist? Is it so bad to be theist?
"First of all, you're lying again, as I don't' believe in anything that could correctly labeled a wizard or magic"
Yet you still dint indicated what you actually believe, so until you do so i will say that you believe in wizards and magic. And just friendly suggestion, check definitions of wizard and magic and then check what you believe and try to realize why my labels are accurate.
"You are a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black."
Wait wait wait, did you just admitted that you believe in wizards and magic? Damn... You never fail to amuse here with your failures. Well atleast we know that you believe in wizards and magic, now what you need to prove is to show that I believe in wizards and magic.
"And I think that is more than enough of my time wasted on a lying, unthinking, self-refuting troll such as yourself."
Irony is strong with you.
"Let me know when you feel up to using your brain..."
I always was using one, maybe you are not familiar with that feeling, we can wait.
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@jessebryant9233
"No, we BOTH have faith"
Thats what we call: Straw man fallacy.
On top of being dishonest one too.
When i say that i dont have faith that means that i dont have faith, making silly claims that you know better what i have is silly at best.
"and we practice it every day of your lives!"
I don't.
"And if you truly are an atheist (and not just an intellectually lazy tool) "
So now you even questioning my position? Are you even a theist? You cant be one? Right? I said so, so it must be true... Avoid making such childish accusations or you will get kicked out of any normal debate. Will give you a pass this time as you seam to be learning here how to have normal grown up conversation.
"then you should have good reasons for embracing the naturalistic faith"
Its not faith.
But thanks for admitting that faith is a shitty position to have.
"which is the only option available to you"
Maybe because we never got confirmation that there is anything besides naturalistic world? Your fantasy land isint included in equation until you can prove that this fantasy land of yours is actually real.
"See, YOU'RE the one with the supposedly "scientific" position, mine is philosophical in nature"
So basically mine is based on evidence and yours is based on your feelings in your balls? Ok, we don't disagree here.
" So what you believe by faith—is wrong!"
Rejecting empty assertion that there is so called imaginary friend of yours because some old book said so isint faith, its reason, critical thinking, basic logic, you know, being normal human being.
"(There's a little 'evidence' for ya!)"
Atleast you added quotes as this isint evidence, learning, good.
"Yeah, thinking deeply or seriously is not something you fools are willing to do"
Says some one who thinks that some wizard is real because old book said so... Riiiiiiiiiight...
Tho on side note, why majority of scientists are atheists? Why majority of philosophers are atheists? Isint that strange?
"It is too incriminating and infuriating and frightening! Why?"
It wasn't me who was scarred to admit to believe in wizards and magic, it was you, dont project yourself on others, thats not healthy.
"Because..."
Because i don't care what some random book of fable says? Should i quote Harry Potter book to you? Would that prove anything? Would that make any difference? Nope, nether does your random quote form book of fables about wizards, magic and talking donkeys'. Grow up man, its time to stop believing in magic, just like you stopped (assuming) you stopped believing in Santa, its same thing.
Your God is Santa for grown ups.
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@jessebryant9233
"the FACT that you have a naturalistic faith"
And i still don't have faith. Why are you so desperate to put me into faith category? Is having faith so shitty?
"(as your comments prove)"
My comments say that i dont have faith, those literally say that, you can feel free to prove otherwise, but until you manage to prove that i have faith you will only show yourself being dishonest here by claiming that i have what i'm saying that i dont have.
"that you're claiming to be unaware of isn't a strawman"
Its a straw man for you to claim what my position is when I specifically said multiple times that its not my position. This is literally a straw man fallacy.
"it is the TRUTH of your ignorance and intellectual sloth"
Its not for you to talk about some ones ignorance and intellectual sloth... Definitely not up to you...
"You do believe that nature dun it"
I cant see any evidence to even suggest that it wasn't nature, so why would i believe otherwise?
"though you have no idea how"
Who cares? Do you know how exactly rockets work? No, no you don't, doesn't mean that those are magical ones... There are more then enough examples where you lack of knowledge how something works, doesn't make that magic by default.
"despite the fact that known laws of physics reveal that it is impossible"
Key word: KNOWN.
Fact remains simple, over entire human history we had exactly 0 instances where answer to unknown was supernatural, not a single time. And every single time when we got answer it was based on natural world laws of physics. So its logical to conclude that next explanation will fall into this category which had 100% success record so far and it wont be one which you cant even prove to be actually real. Its basic logic 101.
"Your FAITH is blind, deaf, and literally dumb."
Again, stop writing comments while looking at mirror, its just makes you look silly.
"it only proves that you're a fool and a self-deluded liar."
Is this what you say to your self to make yourself feel better when you realized that you have been lied all your life about this wizard in the sky who will punish you if you brake his immoral laws?
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@jessebryant9233
"You don't have faith? "
Nope, not a tiny bit, faith is useless, complete waste of time. Why you ask? Well it simple, there is no position you could not take based on faith, you can believe that earth is flat based on faith, you could believe that earth is in shape of unicorn based on faith, faith is 100% useless thing to have and i have no use (duh) from having faith in anything due to this.
"Well, you've demonstrated otherwise..."
Nope.
"You've also demonstrated that you are not a critical thinker or a truth seeker"
Says some one who believes in magic and wizards because book said so... Riiiiiiight, its me who is not a critical thinker and truth seeker.... Riiiiiiiight... Whatever helps you sleep at night.
And again with your silly quotes from your book of fables? You do realize that i'm not even looking them up? I don't give a f**k what some old book of fables says, its completely irrelevant, so why are you continuing with those quotes? Are you so terrible at critical thinking that you don't even realize that quotes from book proves jack shit?
So yea, where is your evidence that your belief in magic is rational? Prove to me that you are critical thinker ad truth seeker by presenting actual evidence or atleast sound and valid argument that your god is real, go for it, prove me wrong and prove yourself correct, until you do that you have no right to imply that i'm not a critical thinker when your position is based on book of fables and your feelings in your balls...
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@jackmorgan8931
"What is obvious to me is that they, and you, apparently, are oh so eager to believe something that they, and you, have never, and can never, "prove" to and for themselves but will eagerly accept it as true.."
You do realize that you can determine shape of the earth from your backyard? Right?... Basic observation of sun disproves flat earth... And this where they, flat earthers, and you, fail in basic geometry class.
"Or have you or those three chaps ever traveled so far into space that you have seen, with your own eyes, that "round" earth.."
You don't need to travel into space to determine shape of earth... People 2300 years ago did that... You are 2300 late and still failing to do what they did back in the day...
"I mean a few hundred years ago everyone knew that the earth was flat"
Everyone believed that because it was based on their ignorance based on "It looks flat, so it is flat" mentality. But what looks flat doesn't make it actually flat.
"And they knew the earth was the center of the galaxy"
Again, they believed that, mostly due to their religion making them "special" people in more than one meaning, doesn't make it true tho.
"well, "they" went into space and "they" took photos and "we" simply have to believe them, right?"
No... Its not religion that you should just take "their" word... You can actually verify that... On your own... Welcome to 21st century...
" I don't care if the earth is flat and round or flat and square or any other shape, size, and description you care to come up with."
Well I can see that you dont care what is actually true, this was already obvious with your conspiracy theory mentality.
"are far more zealous in preaching this gospel of a "round" earth"
Why are you making yourself look so butthit here? You already said that you don't care what shape earth is, which means that you never actually verified its shape. So why are you buthurt about something what you don't know to be true or false?
""stupid" people who didn't agree with 'em."
But they are stupid if they dont agree with 'em, aka reality. Earth is a globe, this is just a fact, no real debate here. I yet to see single flat earther who understand basic geometry, you failed with that yourself, so you classify to be "stupid" in this case. Its not insult, its a fact. I'm stupid in different areas, you seam to be stupid when it comes to this topic.
"Yep, starting to sound more like religion than science...to me."
Talking about reality is a religion now?... Ok...
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@jackmorgan8931
"So if I say the sky looks "blue" to me are you going smile and nod and agree or are you going to go into the lecture about it's not really blue, at all, but only appears blue because of light refracting off particles in the air and...."
I can do both things depending on my mood. And if its evening, sky might not be blue entirely. And... Sky color can be objectively determined to be blue or not. If we observe same thing, then fine, lets agree that its blue, if we want to be sure that its actually blue, then we will need actual objective evidence of it being blue. Not a rocket science here. But at the end of the day, sky is either blue or not blue, objectively.
"I'm simply at a loss to understand why people still argue and debate something that is of no useful relevance within the stuff of simply daily life"
Entertainment... Mostly... Secondary reason is to show that we still have gullible and ignorant people in our world and we need to improve educational system to lower this issue.
"Why do you, personally, care what anyone thinks or believes about the shape of the earth?"
Because your actions will be impacted by your beliefs... Will give most obvious example. Covid. Flat earthers in general thinks that EVERYTHING what government says is a lie, this spills over to things like "vaccinations" and they will tend to not do it just because government said you should do it. So not having herd immunity defeats entire (not entire, but biggest thing) purpose of vaccinations.
Believing in stupid shit will increase chances in you accepting other stupid shit which will impact your actual real world decisions, and because you live in a society, your actions will affect people around you, in one or another way.
"that it makes you feel really good about yourself to be the smartest kid in the class?"
I'm not the smartest kid in the class, just slightly above average.
"And if that's the case, then yes, you are indeed just like those preachers because you are determined to convert the world."
Convert?... You wanted to say "Educate"? Right? Or are you saying that educating people is converting them into some religion? Should we leave ignorant people ignorant?
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@jackmorgan8931
"But that makes me "ignorant" because I don't have that "formal education," right?"
What makes you ignorant is your lack of knowledge or ability to properly evaluate presented evidence. Earth is a globe not because some smart people said so, its a globe because its objectively is independent of anyone's personal subjective view.
"And yes, I am indeed suggesting that the worship this nation has for "formal education" is indeed religious."
Thanks for your personal ignorant subjective opinion, but well, its not religious, but still, thanks for your opinion.
"I mean "everybody" wants to be "smarter" and more "educated" than those lowly, "ingnorant" blue-collar working folks, right?"
Why so many quotation marks? What should this indicate in this instance?
There are plenty of ignorant and quite stupid people who makes exponentially more than those with 5 PhD's... So no idea what are you getting too here... Education isn't requirement for you to make bunch of money.
"Yes, it is indeed the absence of that pretentious bullshit that I find refreshing."
So your entire argument is based on your personal anecdotal experience?... Seriously? This is your entire argument?... Your shitty experience with some workers?... Damn...
And just for your ignorant ass, definition of religion is as: the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.
And ironically enough you are being prick here trying to insult people just because they don't fit your own personal standards. Ironic, I know. But like, do you ever considered that it was you who was not likable and not those coworkers you had issues with in your previous job?
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@adamwaterhouse
So basically, like Jan here pointed out, if some one brakes into your house you will simply surrender part of your property just because this burglar could remain in your house indefinitely otherwise?
Ukraine isint going anywhere, they are literally fighting for their own land and they are not stopping any time soon. While Russian attack on Crimea was quite different story, it was only Russia vs Ukraine, now its a different story with different leaders on top. Why do you think Russia said that this war will end in 3 days? Because they thought that it will same story as it was with Crimea, but it wasn't. Can't say I see any reason for Ukraine to stop pushing Russians out of their lands and I can honestly see Ukrainians pushing all the way to Crimea and taking it back.
For countries still trading with Russia, well, you cant change fundamental supplies needed for your country over night, things like that can take years, but majority of civilized world is against Russia here, just check which countries are in support of this war... Try to notice similarities between those...
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@Mentaculus42
Carbon negative would imply that you are actually consuming carbon during which process you either convert carbon molecules to something else, aka bonding/splitting it, or you, well, bond it and store it as solid somewhere. How exactly would that work with biofuel? As while you can bond carbon with hydrogen creating biofuel, at the moment you start using that fuel you will be releasing the same carbon back into air, so you are not getting net negative here, you simply can't. On top of this you need to use energy to actually bond that carbon to hydrogen, not even talking that you need energy to produce hydrogen in the first place, and each energy source will have its own carbon footprint.
" is scientifically determined to be substantially CARBON NEGATIVE due to not allowing the methane to enter the atmosphere directly"
Which is weirdly sounding fluff without actual meaning. It's like saying that BEV's are carbon negative because by using electric cars you are not using ICE ones... Or that having solar panels is carbon negative because you are not burning coal... That's not how carbon footprint is actually calculated.
"Ammonia is toxic, not poisonous"
Exposure to high concentrations of ammonia in air causes immediate burning of the eyes, nose, throat and respiratory tract and can result in blindness, lung damage or death.
I mean, ok, its toxic which can kill you if you inhale it in higher doses... I stand corrected... Its not poisonous in that sense... Potato potahto.
"It doesn’t surprise me that the non-informed public lack basic understanding."
Correct, this is why general public still thinks that going with hydrogen or ammonia or biofuel is better option than just going with electric cars. Go figure.
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Dirkardo StEvergreen
"But besides that, my main point is that you can't prove that God doesn't exist any more than you can prove that he can"
Once again, this is false statement. If god is actually real then you have actual chance to prove that he is real. While if god is not real then you have no chance to prove that he is not real, because he could be real and be expert on hiding. God claim is unfalsiable, which means that you cant prove it to be false, but you can prove it to be true. Keep in mind that i'm not saying that he is real, its just basic logic 101.
" I don't think a society where we tell people what they can and can't believe is a very healthy one"
Its double edge sword. In on hand, yea, we should never limit what you can or cant believe. But... There is the main issue with things like beliefs in sky wizards. Your beliefs will effect your actions which will effect everyone else around you which in most cases will lead to more harm then good. Belief in imaginary things which doesn't fit reality is not a healthy thing while at same time you should have right to have those fantasy beliefs... There is no win/win situation here.
"churches actually do a lot of good that isn't necessarily broadcasted"
And yet you can achieve that and even more without any need to have 30 minute pray before they give out food for hungry...
Do churches actually do some good? Yes. Should we have them just because of that? No. We can achieve same things and churches becomes useless.
"they do a lot of good things both locally and abroad, particularly with youth"
Don't want to throw a stone into your garden... But... Churches prioritize youth because its simpler to brainwash them with all of that whoho. So this sounded like a terrible thing to me... Please leave youth alone...
"They don't advertise that but there is a lot of good that they and many churches do behind the scenes that most people aren't aware of."
Cool, now find secular groups which help out people, they dont advertise themselves ether, yet they dont ask from people anything, while on another hand churches agenda is to get as many followers as possible while doing all those good things.
But this all is quite besides the point: Do we even need religions? Short answer: No. Long answer: No.
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@bh.76
Each time manufacturers tried to bring in hydrogen cars and offer those to buyers it failed. One of the main drawbacks is lack of refueling stations which will remain huge issue due to complexity and cost to make one. It's a lot more complicated and alot more expensive thing to build, not even talking about transportation of hydrogen from plant to station and its storage in general.
BEV's main draw back is its cost, which mainly being determined by battery itself, but, battery cost is dropping down rapidly, its performance is increasing with each year, station count is increasing exponentially, not even to mention that you can charge your BEV at your home from basic wall socket.
What is my point is that transition to BEV's is allot simpler, faster and cheaper in comparison to hydrogen cars, so Hydrogen cars did flopped.
For comparison, as of now we have over 2 million BEV charging stations worldwide, while there are only like 1000 of hydrogen stations in entire world...
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@glenrisk5234
"Claiming that you do understand is obviously dishonest."
Interestingly enough you dint bothered to present actual definition of god you believe in... Yet you complain that people don't understand what you mean by your buzz words... C'mon... Lets be real here... You just want to find excuse here to avoid presenting your argument as you know you cant defend it with actual evidence.
"A common misconception but then there is an awful lot of that in the English language?"
Word "set" has over 300 meanings, so if you still continuing with your complain that some one doesn't understand you personal interpretation of some particular word while you never bothered to present actual definition of it... What does it tell about you?
I'm using most common definition from most common religion, if i got it wrong, cool, correct me and present your definition, otherwise you just complaining here. And what is more interesting that i had similar conversation with some one who complained that i presupposed their position while after couple back and fourths was clear that i did not, he simply wanted to complain about my presupposition what his position is even if it was correct one... This maybe is not the case with you, but as you want to avoid to present your god definition, well, will have to go with most common.
"The problem people such as yourself face is that willfully ignoring reality so that it has to be proven to you will sooner or later result in being so far at odds with reality that your survival is no longer tenable?"
Whats your point here exactly? It sounded like a word salad to me, can you put it into simpler words? I'm not ignoring reality, i'm atheist, this is most real you can be at this point. So what the hell are you talking about?
"Good luck but I have had my fill of dishonesty"
What about ignorance and/or dishonesty? Your original comment implies that universe started with a bang, while big bang is an expansion. So ether you know that its expansion and you have been dishonest by saying that its a bang or you are ignorant on this topic. Which one was it?
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@stetsonscott8209
"I'm not aware of higher IQ alone being associated with athiesm"
It's not like its associated, but there have been studies done which demonstrated that higher IQ will result in higher changes of you not being religious or/and believing in god. Basic example, 33% of scientists believe in god, 83% of people from general public believes in god. There is big difference here when you think that scientist average IQ is like 20 points higher than general publics. Higher IQ leads to more critical thinking and critical thinking leads to, well, atheism due to the fact that all religions cant support their god claims with actual evidence, not even sound and valid argument for it.
"I know scientists and mathematicians who are xistians today, they just aren't famous."
Its called: Anecdotal evidence.
We are not talking about who you know personally, we are talking about average from ALL scientists.
"Making the claim that "smart people are more likely to be atheist because of the liberating power of intelligence" unscientific, nonsequite"
Its a fact, not some sort of assertion. Just google "Scientists and Belief" and check pew research page, its from 2009, cant see any newer research at the moment, if you have any those should be even more dramatic due to theism being in decline.
We can test this really simply: Can you present sound AND valid argument that god is more likely to be real than not?
If you can't (you can't, will make prediction here, call me prophet) then doesn't tat mean that people who actually understand critical thinking would not take position which isint even supported with sound and valid argument, let alone evidence? Its really that simple. On top of this, have you ever wondered why countries which have lower educational level have higher level or belief in god(s)? Can you see correlation here?
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@stetsonscott8209
"He also didn't cite any credible source that scientists that were polled for belief were also tested for IQ (which would be necessary for his claim to go through)"
Scientists in average have higher IQ than general public and all accepted studies done will be based on picking random individuals which would mean that you will have average IQ above average from those who got questioned. So if you are data scientist you should have known this.
"Higher IQ is associated with creative problem solving, not exactly critical thinking"
Let me ask this differently, maybe this will help you out here. On average, do smart people (with higher IQ) less prone to be scammed and fooled?
" Critical thought, when taken to the extreme is pure cynicism"
Who said that you should take it to extreme?... Are you now going with red hearing here? Or just straw man?
" would expect somebody who spends thier time in the epistemic game of the scientific method to see life through that lense"
Why do you think science is agnostic when it comes to god? Maybe because there are not supporting evidence for it? Why do you think majority of philosophers are atheistic? Maybe because people cant even muster sound and valid argument that he is real?
Science deals with everything what is in reality, at this point god isint part of it and smart people tend to follow simple rule "Everything doesn't exist until proven to exist"
"I could be an athiest for all you know."
And I don't care, you arguments are still factually wrong.
"If you are gonna be an athiest, do it right eh?"
What? Rejecting empty assertions needs to be done right? How? What's wrong with current method?
"plenty of people with high IQs think wrong things"
And here you go, you are doing something what you accused video creator of doing: Anecdotal evidence...
There are smart people who believes in forrest pixies... But we are not talking about exceptions here, we are talking about averages.
"If you know where those studies are that make the direct link between IQ and athiesm"
Quick google search, because doing work for you is my job now.
''Researcher Helmuth Nyborg and Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, compared belief in God and IQs.[7] Using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that the average IQ of atheists was 6 points higher than the average IQ of non-atheists.'
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@stetsonscott8209
"the writer of the article is a statistician who teaches at Cornell"
Its interesting that you mentioned his qualification and not actual source he used for his opinion... Why is that? Do you think that having 50 PhD's makes you correct by default in all instances?
And no, you wont get your money as you completely failed and only proved my point here. Thanks for playing tho.
"Conversations and debates aren't too different"
They are, you have actual rules for debates, conversations are just that, conversations.
"Also, it would feel like less of a debate if you didn't quote me and then respond with debate analysis language"
No can't do. If there is 50 claims/statements you made which i need to address, then its best for me to actually copy paste that and repost to it specifically instead of making one long generic response to everything you said and accidentally making you think that you actually said something correct here. If you want no copy/pastes, then make your responses short, one statement at the time, 2 max.
"You seem intellectually dishonest"
Thanks, you too.
" If you read what I posted they are scientific analysis, and popular writing with scientific citations"
I have actual peer reviewed research indicating that your citation of some single apologist is wrong. Which one is more likely to be true?
"It is faster to read an article that has already digested the study, and you seemed very resistant to even citing a study"
For which claim in particular? I wont really paste links here, as youtube doesn't like those and can automatically shadow delete my response to you. Do you need key words you can use in google? I mean... Its not that hard... Like "Is IQ correlates with atheism" and just pick first peer reviewed scientific paper, not someone's personal opinion, but actual peer reviewed one.
"Also, I don't have money to throw around for scholarly article library access and didn't think you would either."
Those are free... You will only need to pay for ones which are newer than one year or those created by theists, because god damn, but theists do like to sell books like "Proof that god is real 100!" or "Proof that evolution is 100% false!"... Science is free... Your religion isint...
"It is ad-hom, but it's isn't irrelevant ad-hom in light of the study"
Not relevant ad hom?... Its like saying "I dint murdered him, I just stopped his existence"... If its ad-hom then it IS irrelevant. Do you even understand what ad-hom is?
Even if Hitler said that killing jews is good thing, we know that its bad not because Hitler said it, but because killing people is bad...
"Also, you did some ad-hom in your assessment of apologists"
There is a reason why they are apologists, their entire life is based on proving that their god is real in any means they can. Its like having article from Mr. Flat Earth apologist about "What is shape of the earth" what conclusion can you draw from this without even reading article? Do you think this article presents evidence that earth is a globe or it will be riddled with "evidence" that its flat?
Give me article from unbiased source based on actual objective evidence and then we can talk.
"by nitpicking the looser parts of my discourse, like calling a racist a racist"
And I have red shoes. Was this information useful to you? Does this information have anything todo with this CONVERSATION? Is pointing out that someone had some racist remarks makes any difference on anything relating to the topic?
"I know I'm right when somebody hides behind "wall of text" claims"
Cha.... Cha cha cha... Seriously... This was funny!
You are right because I pointed out that you wrote a wall of text? Seriously?! This is your best counter?! Not even presented actual objective evidence, just the fact that I pointed a fact about your comment? Damn...
"You can leave anytime."
Och no, i'm having fun here. Will keep your but over the fire until you run away or admit that you have been duped by believing some apologist nonsense.
Och, by the way, give me citations from that opogist, like actual sources he used to conclude what he concluded. Not asking about "But he did this himself" nonsense, because we have flat earthers who claim that they did their research and they proved earth to be flat... Give me actual evidence here!
"Plus, I hate typing all this on a touch-screen."
And yet you made that wall of text... So you do like to punish yourself for no good reason.
"You have a serious case of debunktivitis! "
Nah, I just really dont care in being nice with people who pushes their silly religious beliefs on others. Keep your imaginary friends to yourself and we can live happily.
"Go take a college level philosophy of science course or two"
Funny that, ask 10 random philosophers if they believe in god.
"from the bet you lost."
Dint lost, but nice try. If you think that I lost it, then give me that peer reviewed data I included in that bet. Do it!
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And once again... Provide a flipping evidence of your claim... Why its like this always? Some flat earther screams that something is true, that he made experiments, that he even have pictures or videos of it, but when asked to present it, they simply ramble for next 50 comments without actually proving a jack shit...
But let me be a prophet here: You had a ship or something, it went far away for you no longer being able to see (naked eye) then you took your magical p9100 camera, zoomed in and you got your boat "back"... This is NOT bringing boat back when it went over the horizon... This is simply zooming into an object which was too small for you too see with naked eye...
http://stupidconspiracies.org/misc/toronto.gif
There you go, simple picture, simple proof of curvature, you can zoom as much as you want, will NEVER bring back missing part, because its obstructed by actual earth curvature...
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There are BEV's with 500 mile range, duno why you would ever need anything more than that.
BEV can be charged in like half an hour, it all depends on charger. Charging car at home from wall socket could take few hours, but that can be easily done over night while you sleep, so no issues there.
Chargers are convenience for you and it will be more expensive as its not located at your house and usually can charge your car exponentially faster than you could ever do at your home, so no idea why are you surprised that its more expensive.
Infrastructure is growing and its exponentially bigger one. There are under 1000 hydrogen refueling stations in entire world, while there are over 3 000 000 bev dedicated charging stations, so if you think that BEV's lack infrastructure, then hydrogen cars have non existing one.
Battery production is expensive, this is why initial BEV price usually will be higher than ICE car, nothing surprising with that.
There are Tesla cars made in like 2012 which are still on the road, ironically due to how long lasting BEV batteries actually ended up we don't have enough of those to be recycled and for bigger recycling plants to be built yet, as there isint a real need. And you can recycle majority of the battery and reuse materials for new one.
Government can tax hydrogen, because 100% of hydrogen needs to be produced... Differently than BEV's which can be charged from basic solar panels, you would need expensive hydrogen equipment to produce it and to actually pump it to your hydrogen car tanks which might require up to 10 000 psi pressure to do so, which means that you would need expensive pressure pumps which could actually handle pressures like that.
Hydrogen is the most abundant element, but there is ZERO of it in a pure form on earth. Biggest supply of it could be from water, but that need crap ton of energy to be extracted from it.
If you think that government is forcing you to buy BEV's, then why are you not buying hydrogen car? Support your ideas here, promote hydrogen by actually buying one, be the one who pushes hydrogen cars forwards!
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@kumarslvr1
"ISS is such a lame excuse that everyone use,"
It wasn't an excuse, it was to clarify how much you accept and how much you reject. Same institutions which made claim that you have Van Allen radiation belt or ISS with people on it says that went to moon, yet you accept one thing while rejecting other. So i'm wondering how did you picked one over another.
"I just simply don’t believe we had the technology during that time to survive out of the van Allen radiation protection belt"
Why not? What is the radiation levels beyond this point? Is it dangerous for a mission which takes a week? Even if it was possible death sentence or extreme chance for astronauts to get cancer due to radiation, how would that even disprove that we never went to the moon? And whose data are you using here? NASA? Those same guys who flew people to moon?
"no other countries have been able to place a man on moon other than America despite technological advancement by countries like Russia, China etc ."
Because one trip costs over 1 billion bucks... Yes, with a B... Its expensive vacation to go and see a dry empty rock... Its not that they cant, they simply don't want to waste money on something pointless as this when Americans already paid for it 12 times... Its allot cheaper to send probes, you can get more or less same results with fraction of the cost.
"I think it’s a hoax that was spread intentionally to claim technological superiority over other countries. It’s all a lie according to my opinion"
ok, but that just your personal opinion based on your personal ignorance, at best.
And maned mission to moon was due to race against Russia. Do you seriously think Russians would have been quite if Americans pretended to be the first who landed on the moon?... Or are you think that every country in the world who has space capability is in this conspiracy? How does that work? Its not enough to have photos of rovers left by those mission on moon? Light refractors left there does cut it ether? What would be enough as evidence for you that we actually been there?
"also not believing in moon landing is not same as not believing in atoms"
Why not? have you seen them? Who said that atoms are real? scientists? Same people who said that we went to the moon? Like seriously, how do you pick conspiracies? Where is your personal line when you say "Nah this is real" and "yea, this is conspiracy i believe in"?
You dismissing moon landing while using data from same people who sent people to the moon, while accepting that there are such things as atoms from same people who sent people to moon, but at same time, not believing in atoms would be ridiculous, but rejecting moon landing is fine... How does your logic work exactly here?
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@kumarslvr1
"You are just so arrogant to force me your opinion or what you think as facts."
I'm not forcing my opinion on you, i'm trying to figure out how you decided to cherry pick one thing over another.
"You don’t have much knowledge in the field you defending so much about. "
But it seams that i have more than you do, its not being arrogant, its static a fact.
"You literally compared ISS and moon landing that if I believe in one I should believe in the other"
No, what i actually tried to ask here is if we can put people into earths orbit, house them for infinite amount of times in actual space, what prevents us from sending people to the moon? Will use basic analogy here, you have a bicycle, you can use it to ride to local shop 2km away, that fine by you, but you are saying that its not possible to use same bicycle to ride 20km. So I want to know why this is not possible, what prevents this from happening? You dint presented any actual rational explanation, you basically said "I simply don't believe that" ok, but why?
"They are so completely different apart from the fact they both involve rockets and few other things, that’s all. "
Not that different. You still need a way to launch people into space, you still need a way to safely house them in space for longer periods of time, provide food, water, air and so on. At same time, ISS gets regular resupplies, but those are not weekly ones, while moon trip took around 1 week, which simplifies quite few things here. Its basically comparison between building a house and simply backing your backpack for a short trip into mountains.
"You really are just as ignorant as you assume people who don’t accept your “facts” are"
Ignorant? Of what? What i'm ignorant of? Just because you want to reject reality doesn't make you correct by default. Provide me ONE example i'm ignorant about, do it, prove that you are correct and that i'm ignorant here.
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@v3exceed
How do you know that it existed? Was it independently verified to exist? Or was it generic "its true because I said so" type deal? Because you can't just kill technology, that dude could have "accidentally" lost his blueprints or something, but nope, as always you have generic story of someone claiming to have magical technology and then they just never ever actually prove it. Claims are not evidence.
This falls on its face especially in today's world where we have such things as a new laws in Europe where new cars sold as of 2035 can't be petroleum powered. Why the hell would your big scary oil company not come out and say "Hold up people, we just invented new tech exponentially increasing performance of the cars, no need to switch to electric anymore!!" but nope, silence. Why do you think that is the case?
If something appears to good to be true, its most like because it isn't. And for your information, people die, constantly, that doesn't stop conspiracy nuts to go wild with it. Like that story about Mayers supposedly creating water engine and conspiracy nuts saying that he was killed by lizard people or something, without realizing that he dies 13 YEARS later... By their logic if anyone claims to have magical technology and then dies at some point in the future, that means that big oil lizard people offed him for it... Or... Mayers was just one of many scammers?...
Argument that big oil killed more efficient way of fuel usage is stupid on its core, its self defeating argument. Big oil biggest threat is its own pollution, is there was magical technology driving that down drastically, heck even by 50% would be major thing, they would be advertising it all over the place and giving out patents for free, but this isn't happening.
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@bobgarrett7134
" The smarter a person is the more likely they're a theist"
That's a claim, not a smart one, still a claim. Now support this with actual research data.
"In fact 87% of Nobel Prize winners were Christians or Jews"
First of all... You are pointing same exact thing I said before... If you have threat of losing job or even worst, then you will say that you are theist independent if you are. Second, Nobel prize winners are not indication of IQ... Or how smart you have. So that on itself wasn't smart todo.
"Arno Penzias, who discovered the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation and the 13.8 billion year age of the universe is a strong believer."
Who cares? This doesn't help you here... Yes we have smart people who still hold irrational stupid beliefs, or atleast they say that they do. Who cares? We have actual pew research data from 2009 which shows that majority of scientists are not theists, simple as that, this is not anecdotal evidence like you keep presenting here, its actual data taken from multiple scientists...
"the fine tuning of the cosmological constants "
It's not fine tuned.
Answer me this: Is there a difference between fine tuning and situation where life adapts to existing conditions?
This fallacious argument was debunked already, so it not sound and valid.
"the unbelievable exactitude of subatomic construction"
First of all, i have no idea what you even tried to say here. Second, do you know difference between highly unlikely and imposible? I can toss a coin 100 times, that sequence I will get will be highly unlikely to happen, but it did. Just because you cant understand something will not mean that god did it, its just argument from ignorance or argument from personal incredulity logical fallacy.
"Atoms have a lifespan of 26 billion years and their constrained power is immense"
Ok?... And I have red shoes... Your point?
"BTW the universe will suffer heat death so the material world is temporal -- also evidence for a maker."
Still false. Heat death only means that matter will disperse at some point, this have nothing todo with maker... At this point its not even confirmed to be actual fact.
How did you ruled out possibility that after this heat death all this energy and matter would start slowly collapsing back into one tiny dot and create yet another big bang?
Will repeat this once more. Majority of scientists, actual experts in the fields, are atheists. And from those who still believe in some sort of imaginary friend of theirs, or atleast say that they do, they wont even claim that science proves his existence. Why? Why does actual experts from those fields disagree with YOUR personal ignorant opinion?
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@bobgarrett7134
"Smart and accomplished people are more likely to be theists"
Now support that with actual evidence, objective evidence and not someones personal opinions.
"They’re also happier, healthier, and they live longer."
I mean, if you lived in a country where people can kill you legally, would you be happy and healthy and live longer?...
"All these facts can be easily researched by anyone with intelligence. "
And yet you dint presented any sources for your claims. Why?
"You like to insult Christians."
No, I like to insult Christianity. Avoid making straw man arguments here.
And would that really be an insult pointing out objective facts?
"The fact most Nobel Prize winners are Christians and Jews can be researched"
Do you know why? Will help you out here. Because only in recent times, basically 2 last decades or so, people are no longer afraid to publicly admit that they no longer believe in some imaginary friend. So yes, most Nobel prize winners should be theists as Nobel prizes have been given out for last 120 years... Theists had allot more time to grab all those trophies than atheists... Congrats for making none point here, again.
"Pew research is biased."
That's literally what pew research isint... That ENTIRE point of pew research... Do you even understand what it is?... You could do some basic google search on it, If you have any brains you can do this.
"Nobody believes in a God like that"
Reality disagrees with you... Literally... Like seriously, you literally paraphrasing question from a research which indicates that there is a portion of scientists who believes that... Maybe you’re too biased or too dumb to do this.
"There is no God like that."
There is no god...
But like, how would you know? Maybe there is god like this who actually interacts with people (not you) on level like this? How would you know this? On what rational basis can you even make claim like this?
"You would ask that God for a Billion dollars cold cash."
And? Is your god not capable in giving you billion dollars in cash? Not asking what you believe, asking if your god could do it... Could he? Because even humans could do it, so your god could definitely do it, right?
"Man, that answer is ignorant."
Answer isint ignorant, question was.
"The cosmological constants are fine-tuned to a hair’s breadth"
Demonstrate that cosmological constants could not have been any other way... PROVE IT, dont assert it, actually PROVE IT. After you achieve this Nobel price worth thing, then your will need to PROVE that those " cosmological constants " REQUIRE fine tuner. And after all this you will need to PROVE that this fine tuner is actually god. And then you will need to PROVE that this god is your god.
Do you see how things actually work in logical and rational world? You actually need to prove shit and not simply assert it just because you religion said so.
"Go learn something before you post to me again"
Irony.
"And atoms were made to constrain that energy"
Prove it.
"Atoms enough to fill a pinhead could blow a crater in Earth 20 miles across and spread thermonuclear fire for 100 miles. "
And I have red shoes.
"The sun has given Earth light..."
And in few billion years sun will go supernova and vaporize entire solar system. What's your point here?
Do you understand difference between life adapting to existing conditions and conditions being made for that life? Because we have quite a few life forms on earth which cant handle sun and it kills them... Just like it would you... Have you ever heard about sunscreen? As something so fine tuned you still need protection from it... Makes total sense...
"Humans have been trying to produce viable nuclear fusion for 3 generations without any success."
And? Could humans makes monitor you are using right now 50 years ago? Nope. Does that mean that god was required for this monitor to exist?... How the hell you don't even follow your own train of thought and apply it with basic examples like that? Just because we cant do something currently, doesn't mean that we wont be able at all or that it requires god to do it...
And just FYI nuclear fusion reactors are a thing and in development which almost hit the self sustaining state which would basically create mini sun on earth which on itself is allot more complex process than actual sun is right now... All these facts can be easily researched by anyone with intelligence. Maybe you’re too biased or too dumb to do this.
"The ordered, beautiful, functional, purposeful, and temporal world we live in proves God."
Still false. Prove it, dont assert it. Good luck with that.
And just FYI you can get Nobels prize in no time if you manage to prove god. So why the hell as you here? Why do people like you think that parroting their preacher talking points proves something what would overturn entire world on youtube comment section? GO get your Nobels prize, be that smart theist, prove me wrong... Prove majority of scientists wrong... Why are you here exposing your ignorance on basic things and still think to have something to show?
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@bobgarrett7134
"Think for yourself and find your own arguments"
Is 2+2=4? yes. Would it change if this was repeated 5 gazillion times? No. So then why would I need to come up with new arguments when old ones work just fine independent of how many times it was already said?
"You have no objective facts, just lies"
Irony with theists, its amusing.
"I go back to the 1950’s"
Why? Why not go back to 1905? Lets just go way back when 99.9% of people said to be religious... That will definitely be reflection of TODAY'S world...
"Atheists were never discriminated against in the last century."
Do you live under the rock? Can someone in US become president if they are atheist? Because funny enough there was pool done about this and question was in line of something like "Would you rather have muslim president or atheist?" where majority picked muslim just because they have same delusion about this imaginary friend. Atheistic discrimination still exists today, its allot less than it was in 1950's, but its still there. Should I remind you about those 13 countries where atheist can be killed legally?
"To this day many Muslim countries discriminate if you’re Christian"
Not as much as if you were atheist... If you are, then its straight away death penalty.
"In the USA and most places there’s religious freedom"
Yes, and that doesn't mean that people are not discriminating against none religious... You keep failing to understand basics here. Majority still believes in imaginary friend they call god and most religions say that you should go against or even kill those who doesn't share same beliefs. That's what religions say...
"Christians and Jews are fewer in number than Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and Sikhs who have won less than 2% of Nobel Prizes"
And my shoes are red.
"Christians are over 65% of winners and Jews are 22%"
And my shoes are red.
"How I do I know God doesn’t grant all requests?"
Newer asked that... But go on, explain to me something I never asked...
" I ask God..."
That's your problem, maybe it's not your god which is actually real?...
"Pew Research is so biased they’re not going to say they’re not biased? "
Do basic research and try to understand how Pew Research actually works...
But will educate you here, yet again, free or charge. Tho I might start charging you at some point.
Pew Research is based on peer reviewed papers. While peer review is based on a method where ANYONE can try to disprove someone's presented claims/tests/conclusions and so on. If no one can then it gets accepted and passes as peer reviewed. This is exponentially better than trying to cite some single dudes claims who is clearly biased towards his religion being true which never got actual peer review done on his claims... Do you see difference here? Because I can make same article as your guy did and claim that 100% off religions are false because I did this scientific research... Would you then believe me?
"For insulting me, insulting Christianity, and insulting God"
I can insult Christianity all day long, you seriously need to read your own bible and realize how imorally bankrupt that book of fables is. I don't believe in god, so I cant insult imaginary friends, only people who believes in those can be insulted by that, but its not my problem. Duno where I insulted you directly.
"There’s no excuse for contemptuous conduct toward believers. "
Crusades? Anyone?... I can give you more examples... Just say a word! List is looooooooooong.
"You want a source for claims? Here’s the odds of a single protein forming by chance"
? Damn... You dont even understand how chance works... ok... I can now insult you...
Do you know what is the chance for me sitting in this exact location in this exact time and typing in this exact text and you reading it at this exact time? Well, its low, i can add more criteria to it which will make it lower than protein forming. Does that mean what you experiencing now isint real? Because by your logic it should not happen because it has such low chance in happening... Yet it did... Why?... Because this is not how chance works, you numbnuts... Chance for past event is 100%, because it already happen... Even winning lottery ticket is like one in 10 million, yet someone gets it all the time...
Another thing, again, free education for you. ANY chance value above 0 with infinite amount of tries is equal to 100% for it to happen. So if you want to say "Buh proteins forming is low chance!!!" then give me number of tries it had... You cant, cant you now? Because you are brainwashed one, not me. You don't even understand how propabilities work, I have no hopes for you to know how statistics work anymore...
"“You’re out all day and the brightness off the snow might burn your face"
So basically... Not a perfect design, isint it? Even you cant handle sun... Weird, isint it? Its like our body isint well designed after all...
"Earth couldn’t last a second without the sun"
Numbnuts... Earth can last for next billion of years without sun... it would be frozen rock, but earth would remain intact... For humans, well, if sun disappeared right now, we would survive few more months until earth becomes frozen, after that, hard to say. But no, earth would not implode if sun disappears...
"You have red shoes and they were made by people"
Do you know how we know this? Because we have actual evidence of people making red shoes and we have no evidence of shoes appearing naturally in the woods on some trees. This is not the same with your "Its creation" claim. Demonstrate that it is, not assert it.
And funny enough, by your logic EVERYTHING is creation, then how the hell you know what creation is if you have no example of none created thing? You cant have light without darkness, and you can't have creation without things not being created you compare too.
"Nuclear fusion will not become a viable man-made energy source. It's too complex. "
Smart people disagree with you. Why i'm not surprised? like seriously, we have multiple multi billion nuclear fusion projects across the world, with some already working and demonstrating that its possible to actually make it work and you here as some one who cant even understand how probability works and claims that something is not possible because its too complex... It might be to complex for YOU to understand, but it doesn't mean that its to complex for actually smart people to achieve it. You keep proving my point here about IQ levels and religion being directly tied to each other... Thanks.
"Nobody gets the Nobel Prize for Theology"
Overturning entire understanding of reality would definitely get you one... Some even got Nobels prize for using duct tape on a pencil... You can definitely get one for proving that this imaginary friend of yours is actually real.
Heck, I would give you some money from myself if you could manage to actually prove god's existence... Heck, religious groups across entire world would make you most famous person for proving that their god is real in no time... What's stopping you? Understanding of probabilities?
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@bobgarrett7134
" Your ramblings are getting worse"
Your failure to understand reality isint my rambling.
"An atheist could become president if he had a brilliant record on public policy"
Not in America he cant, not yet atleast.
"I would vote for him"
Good for you, but its not you alone who determines who gets to be president. Tho, funny enough, try to apply same logic to Trump, he won election, how many criteria did he fit from your listed ones? So why such high bar for atheist president and such low for theistic one?
"There's no excuse NOT to be president if you were born to be"
You are not born to be president... There are thousands of those who had no chance in being presidents who could have been exponentially better ones than those who actually have been.
"Mother Teresa said..."
Who cares?
"Since most already know people know God exists, nobody will win a prize for proving this to the few atheists."
No, people dont know that god exists, they think that he does. The fact that you cant prove that he is real is enough to show that its only a delusion shared by group of people.
On top of this... Why are you so silly here? We have multiple major religions across entire planet. If this is so obvious for most people that their god is real, then why the hell we have multiple worshiped god's? Which one of those is actually real? Allah? Zeus?
"The sun is well designed"
PROVE IT. You keep asserting shit, but you never actually prove any of that. Why?
"People skied for 100's of years before sun screen was ever invented"
Yes, and back in the day average life span was 30 years... Do you see correlation here? Improvements of human technology to increase life span of this "perfect" body of ours?... If it was perfect then we would not need sunscreen and we would not be dying from cancer...
Fun fact on the topic. Even if we could stop aging, we would still die from cancer. Sooner or later you would get cancer and you would die from it. Unless HUMANS invents cure to fix this flaw in our body.
So either human body isint designed or your designer is shitty at his job that even humans can fix quite few flaws with it.
"We've spent trillions on nuclear fusion over 3 generations"
Yes, and we might spend more over next few... What's your point? You cant make rocket there for rockets are magic and imposible to build? Yes, this is accurate analogy.
"Some scientists who quit after 30 or more years of it say it's money down a rat hole."
And who cares? Did ANY of them said that it's impossible to achieve? Then who cares what they said about it being money sink at the moment? Every single new technology is money sink at the start, especially while its in development... EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM...
"God's existence if proven unmistakably by his mighty works"
That's assertion, not proof.
"Millions of finely calibrated systems, processes, and mechanisms that all work synergistically prove he's there"
That at best would only prove that there was this being who made this world this way, will not prove that he was a god or that he even exists now and it definitely wont prove that its your god.
But again, thats assertion, you still need to actually prove it. Otherwise, all this what we see is not made by god because I said so. My statement is as valid as yours, deal with that.
"Some people (not many as a percentage) are being deliberately and rebelliously stupid about this"
No, those people are actually rational and understands what evidence is. Majority of scientists are that way. And you know what? They are definitely not stupid about this.
" I mean, flat Earthers are stupid, but atheists? Oh brother..."
Yea, atheists are not stupid, I agree. Atleast in most cases, we can still have stupid atheists, but in general we are not.
And just to educate you on reality. Atheism is rejection of a claim based on lack of evidence that there is a god. This can't be stupid position, as simple as that. And you know why? Because over all those comments you made here, none ofthem actual provided any evidence or proof that your god is real, you just keep asserting that he is because you feel it in your balls. Due to this lack of evidence, most rational position you can take is... Atheism... Welcome to reality little one.
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Or, wild idea here, I know, but just give it a shot here, or you could expand that and not use lift? Maybe this one uses lift because its a semi prototype level thing and adding elevator in area where land cost is astronomical was best option? As someone with youtube channel (Liked your videos on flat earth by the way) and named it "CoolHardLogic" you didn't really used a lot of it here.
Its like TF going to hyperloop mockup years back and complaining that it wasn't built from space grade materials... Jut use some logic here.
By the way, underground tunnels are not a good idea, those can work to redirect traffic, but it's borderline on being useless, basically bunch of effort and money to maybe lower down trafic little bit, it works, but isn't worth the effort.
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You do realize that all those buttons in new cars are not actually directly connected to AC or any other thing, but goes to internal computer which then relays appropriate signal? Which means that you are complaining about something you dont understand here. I have my car and there are plenty of buttons, but i'm only using like 3, one to control heating/cooling, one to control volume and third... Duno, just added third to be more fair. Buttons are not needed, those only add potential failure point, which ironically was an issue and i could not control headlights due to weared off contacts on a dial type button.
For FSD, it is in beta, its optional thing for people, but then again, its only still unsafe in a cities, but not anywhere else where you would have straight roads for hours and it would be allot safer for you and others that you would engage autopilot which can react to dangerous situations at any point even if you are half sleeping due to boring roads. After all, 99% of times its a fault of human driven when accident happens.
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@TOM-ei9nb
"You would have to ask that of flat earth believers then"
But it was you who made claim that flat earthers have upper hand in some weird situation, so what it is?
"And I clarify that observation of sail or rod technique is a poor technique, because it leads to TWO conflicting result outcomes, period"
But its not... Give me second result which could be a cause of objects disappearing bottoms up.
"As I said I don't care what shape it is"
Which is an issue by itself. That would mean that you dont care what is actually true, I do, many people do care, and less false beliefs you will have less stupid actions you will take. After all, you beliefs will effect your actions in one of another way.
"I'm after a clear scientific result, no matter the outcome, while perhaps you wish to say the earth is a globe"
Yearth is a globe based on actual scientific results... I have no idea what you are even trying to imply here. I know that earth is a globe because of scientific methods, not because i have this feeling in my balls or something.
"But 100 years ago I can see how people would be able argue othetwise"
First globe model was made 3 century BCE in Greece... Like I said, there are multiple ways to prove earths shape which doesn't require you to go into space. Size of earth was determined by using sticks or/and by using water wells. You seam to know little to none surrounding this topic in general, yet you want to make comments about it... Why?
"By the way earth is not a perfect globe, you know this, it is an ellipsodal globe"
Well its oblate spheroid while slightly wider on "bottom" part. I know... Its clear that i know more than you about this topic. I'm not using actual complicated description of earth due to share fact that its irrelevant for basic conversations, its enough to agree that earth is a globe and not flat pancake, what exact shape it is would be quite irrelevant and waste of time if we cant even agree on basic shape.
"So I could argue that nearly 100% of globe earths sold in shops are at least a false representation of reality"
And i could argue that you are 100% wrong here. That difference in size would be more or less impossible to replicate on globe replicate sold in shops and it would be stupid to even attempt to do it as it would not change anything. On grand scale earth is a perfect sphere, if you want to go into details then yes, you have variation, but that variation is meaningless on globes sold in shops...
So yea... Globes sold in shops are NOT false representation of reality, it only could be false if it was shaped as cube or any other shape except sphere.
And just to educate you on reality, difference between "height" and width is 0.3% I dare you to find globes sold in shops which doesn't have any warping introduced in their castings which are perfect spheres... You are trying to nick pick some silly things here while exposing your own ignorance while doing that... For your own sake, stop it...
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@TOM-ei9nb
"What makes you pressume you'd qualify as somone who could educate me or others for that matter."
Because it clear that i know more than you about this topic? I mean, we already established this fact, we could continue arguing if i know more than you, but it would be quite a waste of time at this point.
"You are being aggressive and very arrogant, for what reason?"
Aggressive? Arrogant? When did that happen?
"Mirrage (things also disappear bottoms up) is a second reason."
And when you don't have mirage and you have objects disappearing bottom up, what's then? If you want to start including random phenomenon which could cause similar effect then i could say that in case you have object in between you and ship and you lover your altitude you will observe same effect... Well.. You will... But we are not talking about that, we are talking about clear examples when you don't have mirage, yet objects disappear bottoms up. This is what you would call correct scientific observation when you eliminate anything what could f**k up your results.
Tho, what was the first reason?
"Which is way closer than the 5.3km horizon line (i may be corrected on this)"
Depends... 5.3km would only be correct at specific altitude. So you kind of are and not really.
"Arrogance doesn't make one qualify to educate others for that matter"
Arrogance is irrelevant in your ability or qualification to education others... Ironically I need to educate you on this one...
"Would you care to point out exactly where I made a claim to earth being flat?"
Care to point out where i made a claim that you are flat earther? Felling silly?
"If you cannot, i urge you to apologize."
Yes, please, apologize for implying that i said something i never said. So where exactly did i said that you are flat earther?
"Otherwise I'd seem like you are putting words into my mouth and then arguing against them."
EXACTLY! You seam to have personal experience in this one, so maybe avoid doing it? Just a friendly suggestion.
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@donpettyandthespacefakers1798
"it’s all in the names Sea Level"
Honestly i just hope that you are just some sad troll here and not really serious.
First of all, its just a word, second, level is not equal flat, if you spent 5 seconds with google search and extra 5 to read what "level" actually means you would saved embarrassment.
"Air Plane"
Derives from the French aéroplane, which comes from the Greek ἀήρ (aēr), "air" and either Latin planus, "level", or Greek πλάνος (planos), "wandering".
Definition for level: a horizontal plane or line with respect to the distance above or below a given point.
Now question for you: If you would draw a line which maintains same distance from given point, what would it result into? Will help you out here: It would be a circle. Now do this same thing in 3D and you will get sphere. So level is not equal to flat surface. I'm happy that i can educate you on basics here.
"don’t call it sea curve or curve line"
Yea, you must be a troll, you cant be that stupid.
"while in a airplane does a pilot keep dipping the nose of the plane so it doesn’t fly off into space"
Talking like a true aerodynamics expert i see... Not....
You do realize that plane is getting adjusted constantly? Do you seriously think that on a globe model plane should dip his nose 45 degrees down to not go into space?... Damn... Seriously, just admit that you are troll, it would be so sad to realize that you are actually serious here.
"Neil Tyson says an oblate spheroid pear shaped"
Did you know (i dint) that on grand scale earth is more round than bawling ball? Those differences are sooooo tiny that for general talk we dont even bother to clarify that its actually blate spheroid and slightly wider on "bottom" part, because its such a tiny difference that is basically irrelevant for most use cases. There is no such thing as perfect sphere, every round object has imperfections, but even then for simplicity sake we will call some of those a perfect sphere while they are not, it only depends how accurate we need to be for the task on hand.
But yea, I just assume that you are trolling here, you cant be that ignorant on basic reality.. Can you?
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@clintonbeavers8311
"yes the bible says god flooded the world"
And? In Harry Potter books said that there is a magical place...
While in reality we know that global flood dint happen. This is one of the reasons we know that your book was not inspired by all knowing being but was written by common people, just like Harry Potter book. There is only one difference between them: One of them claimed to be factual.
"besides that the earth is flat"
Again, false. basic observation of sun proves that earth is a globe.
"if you need the scriptures to any of this I will be gladly to send them"
I dont need your fairy tales, i need actual evidence that your fairy tales are true... Quoting book will NEVER prove that its correct, especially when its demonstrably false.
"water dont bend"
Tides? Even on flat earth water bends... So you literally contradicting your own model or basic observable reality...
"sun needs oxygen to keep burning"
Sun is not burning, its glowing... have you ever seen old fashion incandescent light bulb? That one where its in a glass compartment, yet glows brighter than your future if you keep going on this path of ignorance...
"moon landing video shows the american flag waving why because there is air"
And now we talk about moon landing hoax... You cant even understand that earth is a globe, how the hell you could understand moon landing?
"I can prove all of this"
Cool, then prove it. Instead of wasting time with empty claims and some demonstrably false ones, prove them.
"can you disapprove it"
I did. Next.
" the cgi that nasa uses sucks"
What CGI? I will ask you same question i asked couple dozens of flat earthers like you, 100% of them failed to answer, so maybe you can: What method you are using to determine that photo/video is CGI?
"how man lies to you"
Like those who wrote bible? That type of man?
"nasa means in hebrew"
While in reality N.A.S.A means National Aeronautics and Space Administration
" you can thank me latter "
For your attempt to brainwash me? No thanks.
"do your own research"
Why? All of those are your claims, prove them or we can dismiss all of them as invalid without any need to provide counter evidence.
"whem you do you will see the truth"
Yea, i see it, moon if a globe, sun is a globe, earth is a globe.... Hmmmm...
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@Mr.Ramirez95
You completely missed my point here. What i was saying that just because you cant see, feel, hear, smell, taste something doesn't mean its not real. And just to clarify things here, i'm an atheist, but your approach is still broken. One simple example would be black holes, only recently we got an actual image of it, until this point no one ever see, feel, hear, smell, taste it, yet it was real. Do you get my point now?
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@Mr.Ramirez95
Einstein dint prove that black holes are real, he only showed that those are possible and should be real. Bu then again, go 50 years before Einstein and you don't even have that, yet black holes existed for quite some time now.
And not having evidence for something doesn't make it not real, it would only invalidate claim that it is real. Going back to the black hole claim, if some one made a claim 1000 years ago that black holes are real, claim itself would be dismissed as invalid due to none existence of evidence, yet black holes existed, but claim that they are real was never justified at that time.
All this comes back to your original claim: If I can't see it, feel it, hear it, smell it, taste it... It's not real.
Which i showed to be false. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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@ramadadiver59
We are not talking about ethics here, we are talking about what should be legal or not. You might not like that some people wear blue jeans, doesn't mean it should be illegal to do so. And if there are situations when abortion should be allowed, then that's that, abortion isn't illegal.
And just to educate you here little bit, abortion is termination of pregnancy and not killing fetus, you can have abortion at 8 months which can still result in viable fetus. But main point remains simple, its all up for the women who is allowing for this fetus to use her body to either allow it or not. If you want to make exception and say that in this situation women looses all rights in her body, then maybe we can by force take one or your kidney and donate it for someone who needs it? After all, if we wont do it then it will result in someone dying, so your opinion on this should not matter, right?
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@ramadadiver7810
"So you think intentionally killing a human is equivalent to nor liking blue jeans ."
Embryo/fetus isn't human.
"How would you like it if someone said..."
Funny enough this is exactly my point, you should not be able to force someone to do something against their will, this includes "remaining pregnant"
"Um no the woman keeps all of her organs"
Except that pregnancy changes woman's body for rest of her life. Do basic research on this topic.
"It's not a great analogy"
Will make even simpler analogy just that you might even understand it.
One morning you wake up and you realize that you got hooked up to someone, toubes and all that jazz, if you would disconnect you would kill that other person. Now, question of the year: Do you have right to disconnect?
"The two pills used in abortion"
And knife can be used to cut bread or to cut throats... What is your point? We have things which can cause someone's death? Yes, yes we do.
"Abortions are done precisely too kill"
Definition of abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
While it could be most often, it doesn't mean that it's always that way. By definition abortion is termination of pregnancy and not killing fetus/embryo.
And please, for your own sake, learn difference between child and fetus.... I have seen so many people like you who don't even realize that unborn isint a child...
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@RobHappiness
First video... You have video trying to explain why upside down moon makes sense on flat earth... ok... What? You do know that globe has a valid explanation too? So why do you even post this video?
Second video, skip to around 0:59 time stamp. What do you see? rotating stars right? Is it missing something?... You do know that we have 2 points around which stars "rotate"? Right? So again, you have video which tries to explain why something we observe on reality makes any sense when trying to claim that earth is flat, while globe did that long long time ago.
Both videos fail to actually explain, but besides this point, at best you would have something what works on both models and none of those things could be used to prove/disprove anything...
"do you care if you're correct?"
I do, this is why i like fact checking. You seam to like just feel good and go with option which makes you feel best and not the one which can be supported by actual evidence.
" You came to argue under my comment"
And you made original one. I came here to respond to your "argument" aka "empty claim". If i wanted to argue for sake of argument, i would go and post comments under flat earth videos.
"and I'm proving you it's flat."
False. You are not proving anything here. Both videos you give here can be perfectly explained with globe model. So again, even if those videos dint failed to prove that observable reality matches flat earth, that would not prove that earth is flat... You need observable reality which would match flat model and missmatch globe one. If you have something what matches both models, then you proved nothing here.
Lets go with simple thing, simplest one i can give you. As by your flat earth model sun is always above earth circling it, how come we have sunsets? How come sun sets under horizon without changing its size while by basic geometry sun should never ever for ever touch horizon? Seriously, make an experiment in your house, get a round table, place light source above it, try to make it go below horizon... its basic geometry 101...
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@RobHappiness
If its so easy to prove, why you dont prove it right now? Its a basic geometry when it comes to sunsets, those should never happen if earth is flat, yet we have those. I can give you even more to think about. Sun moves (actually earth rotates, but well, you got the idea) in a straight line, while it should circle around if earth was flat. Sun should change perceived size if earth was flat, yet its always the same size. Sun should change perceived movement speed, yet its not.
There are 4 basic things about sun you will fail to explain on flat earth model, and this is even basic example which doesn't require any calculation, just basic knowledge of geometry, but you still think that earth is flat...
Wild guess (not really) here, your main drive to believe that earth is flat is because bible said so?
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@CarsSlavik-mt2rt
" it is called straw man argument that you are trying to pull here"
Feel free to actually explain where I made this strawman fallacy and not just assert it.
"Asking me of evidence of something that you yourself don't have"
You are correct, I don't have evidence of flat earth, this is why I asked you... Did I missed something here?
" number one most overwhelming evidence of our flat Earth reality is that there is absolutely nothing that shows us that we live on a spinning globe"
That's a logical fallacy 101. And like I said, don't tell me about a globe, present evidence for flat earth. Earth could be a cube if its not a sphere, you can't just say that because you fail to see evidence for a globe it must be flat pancake... That's not how logic works.
"Curve ? Nope , only in cartoons"
You can observe a curve on a beach. Heck even sunset/sunrise proves curve.
"Measurable speed?"
No idea how that's related to the shape of earth. Maybe earth is a sphere and its stationary? Have you ever considered that? No? Just silly flat earth troll points?
"in fact every single person try to measure the speed came to the exact opposite conclusion"
That earth is rotating? Yea, I know.
"Nope only a theory based upon a theory"
Cavendish experiment proves gravity, anyone can perform that one too. You don't really anything special, just some spare time.
"Electrostatic charge of the ground along with density and buoyancy will do just fine"
In which reality? And why is there gradient of pressure? Why does objects fall down? Why does objects which are not electrostatically effected behave in same way as any other object? You throwing around random words doesn't prove your flat pancake world.
"All of which by the way on light gravity are measurable observable and verifiable"
Funny enough buoyancy is the result of gravity. So like, yea, you do play yourself here nicely.
"Vacuum of space? "
Yes, what about it?
"Scientifically impossible"
99.99% of scientists disagree, why?
"and also provable"
What's provable? Because I can bet that you don't even understand what vacuum is, let alone how it works and why earth with its atmosphere existing in it doesn't break any laws of physics and it is scientifically possible.
"How many times do you have to catch someone in lies before you call them liar?"
Depends, its really wage question. Like, if I said 1 lie in 100 years I lived, does that make me a liar? What if I said 1000000 of those? Like at which point does saying a lie makes you a liar and at which point saying a lie makes everything you say a lie?
Have you ever said a lie? Yes. So does that mean that you are lying here and no one should take you seriously because you are liar?
Every single thing you said there wasn't proof of flat pancake world, you just desperately tried to misrepresent globe model. Do you have any actually interesting argument, proof, evidence or something for me here or was this the best you can do? Because its getting really boring...
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@hddun
" What the Heck is that word"
English isn't my primary language, wasn't even secondary. And as someone claiming to be engineer fails to understand what misspelled word "engineed" should have been in this context... C'mon... I thought engineers should be smart people... I must have been wrong here.
"how do you know the revenue stream from Starlink"
Was reported to be cash flow positive last year by Gwynne Shotwell. Is there any actual reasons to not believe this? Yes its privately owned, but like, what would they benefit from saying that privately owned company is now cash flow positive while they could have kept its in negative side for quite some time with really simple excuse as its still in a deployment and so on? Starlink is in early stages, so getting it into positive numbers is generally unexpected.
"I don't know."
I can see that...
"Mr. Musk doesn't say or estimate the cost."
Because its a thing which never was done and estimating something like that would be silly. Like for example, in early days moon missions costed around 1 billion per trip, if rocket blows up you get extra billion of expenses on your hand... It's not that small of a number for event which was basically accident. With mars it's a lot worse as you have a lot longer trips involving dozens of rockets for initial colony. He is building rocket for that purpose, how much it will cost at the end, no one knows and generally not really important as long as it gets done.
" many lives and $$$HUGE were lost but no one to my view lost a manager job at NASA..."
Weird engineer you are... Not much money was lost as what you lost was just raw materials, excluding human lives. While raw materials are just a fraction of the cost. Everything else is from labor which is basically wages to the people who made money from all of this and put that money back into circulation. When it comes to government institutions it's basically money going in circles, with private companies its slightly different, but still money isn't being lost at 100% rate, it's more like 2%.
And accidents happen, no idea why NASA should have fired anyone... Rocket science is... Well... Rocket science... One small mistake in design can result in total failure, one of the reasons why NASA took ages to make anything as it could not afford accidents and had to to thousands of simulations and controlled tests before attempting actual launches, with private companies, well, you have prime example as SpaceX, they can blow up few rockets to gather data as fast as possible and improve on it with next iteration of the rocket.
"200 people marooned to die a slow death from starvation or radiation and yet no way to help them -- tragic..."
its so weird, its like you think that we will be sending people there in droves with their lunch box and nothing more... Have you seen movie "Martian"? Point is that you actually can grow your own food on Mars, initial setup will be expensive and tedious, but Mars colony can be fully self sustaining.
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@billwilliamson1506
"You are so angry with Christianity that you can not even agree with a basic fact that the Bible is not a history book, and nor is it 100% fable."
I agree that bible is not a history book, but when it comes to it being book of fables... Well, that is factually true. If you want to nick pick that something in it is not a fable, cool, doesn't mean that book itself is not a book of fables.
"something like the flood likely never happened"
Its not likely, we know that it dint happen.
"and if it did it was WAY overstated and fictionalized to be a fable. "
AKA Fable.
Definition of fable:
1. a short story, typically with animals as characters, conveying a moral.
2. a supernatural story incorporating elements of myth and legend.
3. myth and legend.
4. a false statement or belief.
Pick your poison.
"The Bible is better suited for moral claims because those do not require scientific proofs"
And yet bible is still useless when it comes to morals... Is killing wrong? Bible says that it is and that its not... Sooo, which one it is? By 10 commandments its wrong, by the verse where you should stone homosexuals its fine... So which one it is? And how would you know? Would you use bible to determine that or some completely unrelated source?
"Jesus Christ existed and was crucified"
Jesus like generic human being with this name or Jesus like a god?
"that is a fact,"
Not a fact, claim at best.
"(proving how two separate eyewitnesses claim the same thing in different sources, etc)? "
I can get you 1000 different sources claiming to be probed by aliens... Does that make it true?
The fact that you can have those 2 different source being same one just dressed as different is quite big possibility, bigger then having some god being crusified.
But i could give you for sake of argument that some guy named Jesus got crusified, so what? Having Peter Parker who lives in New York will not prove that spider man is real... So again, bible is useless.
"Of course, both must be combed through, but it is false to claim the Bible is just a book of fables."
Bible IS book of fables by definition of fable... Its BY DEFINITION book of fables. And again, for some historical person not being actually real will not change our world view, but if you want to claim that some god lived and died (well he dint died as you cant kill immortal god) will require more than a book said so. I can believe you on face value that you have pet dog, but if you will claim that you have invisible pet dragon, that will require more than your word.
So to summarize: Bible is book of fables by definition of fable. Bible is useless when it comes in determining that is or was real as any claim made by bible gets verified by actual external sources and then its been shown to be accurate or false. Bible is useless when it comes to moral values.
Conclusion: Bible is useless book of fables.
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@huwgrossmith9555
Then I would STRONGLY recommend you to fact check, because it looks like you just watched some random scam video on youtube and believed it. There are NO water engines, because those CAN'T exist due to first law of thermodynamics.
And just FYI IC engines are only 50% efficient in comparison to hydrogen fuel cell engines, aka you can travel twice the range with fuel cell than you could with IC one. So straight away you have an issue here as you are using less efficient engine.
Water isint fuel, never was and never will be. Hydrogen is fuel, but there is equally zero of that on earth in its pure form, 100% of hydrogen we have is a hydrogen bonded to other atoms, like hydrogen + oxygen = water type deal, and for you to extract hydrogen from water you will need to input quite a bit of electricity into that conversation, and because magic isint real and basic laws of physics apply, you can't magically create a thing which can generate power from water.
If water engines existed then we would have water powered electric power plants, not the ones which uses water to turn turbines, but the ones which uses water as a fuel... But we dont... Because water isint fuel...
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@FriedChkn4Eva
"let alone the common American family household being able to afford a car like that"
Why not? Lithium battery price dropped 5.5 times since 2000's... Lithium battery capacity doubled since 2000's. So on what basis you could say that something will not be accessible for regular people? Every single new technology will be expensive one, but it always goes down in price and up in quality. Just check prices of first flat screens... You could have bought a house for one, even tho its quality was shit in comparison to what you can get for 100 bucks in local home depo.
"Id like to see some road tests and cross country driving personally before i shell out over 100k for a electric supercar??"
Why? Like why do you need electric supercar? And there are plenty of videos with people doing cross America trips in BEV's, in particular by using Tesla cars.
"All the Teslas just mostly look like they’re great… for driving around the city"
Because you need more than 350 miles of range to go outside the city?... Like, what reason would there be to not be able to drive Teslas outside cities?
"I do think a happy medium is HYBRID"
Hybrids' are the worse, you will have 1.5 cars in one, which would be 1.5 higher maintenance costs and 1.5 times higher chance for something to go wrong.
"as the way to go if they wanna keep the petrol users happy and still keep a clean environment"
How the hell is petroleum car keeps environment clean?... Entire point about BEV's is to have sustainable and cleaner solution here, if you have bunch of hybrids and everyone uses the petroleum portion, then what's the point?
"stuck somewhere in the wilderness or anywhere where its hard to get help, you can’t start the car in all electric"
You can charge it... You know...
"sources like Lithium are not really in abundance and when there is a shortage, that causes problems in the market."
And there are more than one battery technology and more are being invented. And its not like we have infinite amount of oil either... Its not a question if we will need to switch from petroleum to something sustainable, it's only question "When?" and sooner we do it better it will be for environment and for us.
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@shavrael
That doesn't answer to my question, so will try again: What shape does earth have?
Will give couple valid examples: Sphere, torus, cylinder, cone, cube, cuboid, triangular pyramid, square pyramid
, triangular cylinder, triangular prism and so on...
So which one it is by you?
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@cdeford
"but he's decided not to use more than originally committed"
Riiiiiight, I guess all those confused Russian soldiers who got transported to Ukraine to fight without them even realizing this is by this magical plan too?
If this overlord of yours has enough man power and can end this war in a day, then why the f**k isint he doing this? People die every single day, hundreds if not thousands every single day and Putin like "nah, we wont send more troops, we will drag this war for years to come, because why not"?
"That road was important for the supply of the troops in Izyum, but after the withdrawal it's no longer vital"
Och so basically because they already lost territory then there is no point in keeping strategic points? Sounds legit. Why would you want easy supply lines under your control when you could give it to the enemy... Makes complete sense.
"Personally I think the withdrawal was a strategic mistake"
Strategic mistake started 6 months ago... This was quick run away in panic. No one performs strategic retreat while leaving ammo depot and military equipment for the enemies, worst case scenario you destroy all of it before retreating, this dint happen, which only means that it wasn't planned retreat or Russian army is completely incompetent across the board, neither option is good for Russia.
"but if they didn't have enough troops to hold the area, and didn't want to send any more"
But like, why the hell not? You already claimed that they have man power, so where was it?... Your magical story doesn't add up... It takes few hours to transport soldiers, yet they run away from entire region... Do you even understand yourself that your made up story doesn't add up?
"All I can see is that the Russians seem comfortable about not escalting at this time"
Really? By destroying electrical strations after this "strategic" retreat? This is your not escalation?
Russians loosing and they know it, this wasn't planned retreat, it was unplanned running away. Do you even remember start of the war when Russia went from all sides and took everything they could? If they never planed to take over entire country they would have simply established defensive lines in appropriate regions and that's that, but nope. Now they are failing to hold points and only natural barriers help them.
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@cdeford
"Putin's not mu overlord"
If you dont live in Russia then he is not, if you are, then he is your overlord.
"I've already said I don't know why he's making the decisions he is"
Multiple reasons. First of all, because he can. Second, because he is a narcissistic asshat. Third, Ukraine is in strategic location between Russia and EU/NATO. Fourth, Ukraine has natural resources which can be sold for trillions. Pick your poison, or multiple ones.
"But he's smarter/better informed than me or you"
Clearly he didn't calculated everything as this war should have ended long time ago if he was smarter than me and he should have realized what would happen if world decides that this is enough for him to be asshat and attacking countries. He screwed his own country for decades to come, this wasn't smart move, it was dumb one.
This entire war going terribly poorly for Russia independent of its end result. Russia was making billions every month from selling gas to europe, now its all gone and will never return. Russia ruined its name even more. Russia got cut of from the rest of the world. Russia shown how shitty their military actually is as it cant even take Ukraine. This was one huge mistake and now Russian people will suffer for it even if Putin gets kicked out of his throne.
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@noniespam
There is so called "hydrogen embrittlement" which well, makes materials brittle over time. This is why hydrogen tanks are usually coated in ceramics to minimize that issue, but even then you will have literal expiration date printed on those tanks, which is around 7 years. Engines itself suffers from this on top of issue with actually containing hydrogen due to how small it is. Infrastructure is non existing, you only have something going on in California, single state in entire country, but even then its barely getting new stations and quite few are closing at same time, like shell recently pulled out all its hydrogen stations entirely.
Toyota might be doing something with hydrogen fuel cell technology, which is better than combustion engines, still suffers from same issues, its just more efficient and cheaper to maintain.
While hydrogen has more energy, its loses when you check its energy density per volume, this is why most hydrogen cars have 3 huge hydrogen tanks to get around 400 mile range.
As sad as it is, hydrogen only sounds cool on paper, all those news paper titles "car runs on water" was nice clickbait for its time, but due to enormous list of complications it will not work out.
BEV's are not perfect, but at the moment those are the best option we have.
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@cnccarving
"kiev forces bombed the basin a week before russian army crossed the border"
And I just explained that relocating military forces takes longer than a week, so that means that Russia was preparing attack long before any of that happen. So why are you even mentioning it? Plans to invade another country start months if not years before it happens, not in 7 days... Especially when it comes to a country with such long borders...
"you trying to ignore the fact kiev fighting their own citizens with army"
Why? Why there was a war inside Ukraine? And who fueled opposing side? As you cant have government going against farmers and not being able to win. So who supplied money and weapons for the side which went against Ukraine government?
"zelensky decided in january that hes going to bomb the hell out of the donetsk basin"
And Putin said that he will never invade Ukraine, so what is your point here exactly?
"thats why they asked russias help"
Asked? So you got few farmers sending email to Putin for weapons to start a civil war and Putin like "Yea, why not, I will give you bunch of guns, go kill someone"?
"just go to doctor, or go back 3rd grade and practice more reading"
Irony is strong with you people...
I guess next stop is Russia, after all, Russia like to invade countries and kill people, so by the same rules you just lay down here, everyone else has full right to nuke shit out of Russia and be done with that. Right? Your rules, not mine.
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When there is a need, there can be a solution. Artificial gravity is a need, cool, let them cook up solution for it. Traveling in few days will not be possible for who knows how long, maybe when fusion reactors are running and miniaturized we could use one with electric engines to shorten that trip time, but this will be in like 100+ years, so not really a thing you can just sit and wait, especially when you don't even know if this will ever work, as current test fusion reactors are in thousands of tons in weight with all of its infrastructure, so long way to go. Besides this I can't even think of any other way to speed up travel without inventing some sort of warp drive or just magical teleportation thingy.
You don't really need to terraform mars, you only need to build settlement which can self sustain.
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@christiantaylor7901
There aren't that many to be recycled, that's the interesting part, batteries held way better than expected so there isn't that many dedicated recycling facilities built yet, its just starting, but those are being built which will recycle all of those batteries.
And you once more mentioned your magical Nickel Metal Hydride. What are those? Which facilities recycle them? At what cost? At what rate? How does that even compare to actual batteries?
And for material sourcing, what you are complaining here is about COUNTRIES exploiting people, not that technology itself is bad. And there are more than one battery technology and more to come out with different chemistries. So maybe instead of complaining about batteries requiring rare materials, maybe complain about countries exploiting people?
If companies are secretive about this magical Nickel Metal Hydride, then how the f**k do you know that its the holy grail? How many companies do you recall saying that they have magical technology in the works which never came out as one? Its the point of the company to say that they have ground breaking thing on their hands, that's how they will get investments... But if they can't present any actual verifiable numbers than its just a random magical claim. Its like the people who claims to have engines running on pure water... Atleast in that case we know that they are full of shit due to basic physics, in your case with Nickel Metal Hydride we have no idea what that is and how to eat it. Yet you think that its a really good thing, while at same time you admit to know jack shit about it because they are not sharing any actual information about it... Do you see tiny issue here?
You know how you can store hydrogen? By bonding it to... Oxygen... You know, in that for its really safe and stable we usually refer to as water... Why arent we doing that? Maybe there is a good reason why this is the case?... Even if they bonded hydrogen to some element and got some good density, doesn't mean that its actually viable option. Basic questions remain, like "How much energy do you need to separate it from that bond?" or "How quickly it can do it?" or "How much weight will that entire thing be?" or "How much will it cost to produce?" You know, basic questions which are the corner stone of every single technology. If you need same amount of energy or close to it just to separate hydrogen from one magical Nickel Metal Hydride, then what's the point? How much energy will you get from that entire tank? Will you be able to drive 10 miles with it? As you will use separated hydrogen to produce electricity to use that to separate more hydrogen... So how much is left after all this process?
Its like having can of water and saying that this stores hydrogen perfectly and in perfectly safe form. Well, yes. But you will need MORE energy to extract hydrogen from that water than you will get back from using it. Do you see potential issue now with your magical Nickel Metal Hydride?
Och to add to all this, there is actual holy grail of batteries, graphene based, those are extremely good, safe and clean and easy to recycle. Issue is that at this moment in time we don't know how to actually mass produce them, basically we know how to make those, but we don't know how to scale production up due to complexity involving. This is the actual technology which is worth someone's time, not some weird wapor ware as Nickel Metal Hydride you know nothing about.
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No idea how its win win, and no, your modern american truck is still constrained by space. Do you expect it magically to not require bunch of extra space to fit all those hydrogen tanks in it? Or do you want to make those american trucks even bigger? Space issue remains independent of car type and size.
This video was about V8 engine, by my knowledge V8 eats way more fuel than, well, any lover V's does, right? Your double performance is in comparison to actually economical hydrogen combustion engine, might be V4 or even V3, not a V8.
Fuel cells break, but those break less than combustion engines. Why do you think there are no actual hydrogen combustion based mass produced cars? Because its a big issue when it comes to actual maintenance costs of those. Its just a expensive toy.
And for f**k sakes, why do people keep bringing up BEV's into this conversation? This V8 can't even compete with fuel cell, why even bring in something else into conversation?
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@Rene-uz3eb
That's cool and all, but increasing car size will increase fuel consumption. So pick any of your super duper sized truck and try to shove in few cylindrical tanks in it. All that extra space you got from this super duper super sized truck gained would be lost, so what's the point? Your truck already utilized more or less max amount of space, just like every other car. There aren't just huge empty voids in cars chassy where you could just put in multiple tanks without compromising something.
Google Toyota Mirai, its hydrogen car, it has 3 tanks to get 400 mile range. This is equivalent to basic car with 400 mile range, but, try to compare actual usable space in it, because Mirai suffers from huge central console (has one of the tanks there), small back seat (again, tank under it) and small trunk (yes, tank under it).
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@Rene-uz3eb
Hydrogen tanks expire based on time, not on refuel cycles, this is why those have expiration dates. You might extend their lifespan if you avoid filling them to the max, but you will still have that same expiration date after which you will HAVE to replace those independent on how much they degraded over time.
And yes, its a crazy idea. Combustion engine on its core is silly idea as hydrogen fuel cell produces twice the energy, aka you can travel double the distance. And what exactly do you win by wasting energy with combustion engine? Sound... That's it... There are no other "benefit" besides it making similar sound to petrol one, everything else goes into negatives, including price, maintenance cost, refueling costs, usable space...
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@Rene-uz3eb
Cryo hydrogen is non option due to mentioned boiloff. No one in their right mind would want a fuel which just evaporates if you are not using your car and you would be risking to be stranded if you not used your car for few days. Money thrown away. And no, you can't just fill up before each trip, share amount of equipment needed for this would be more than the car itself in cost and in maintenance. Again, no one in their right mind would pick that option. So compressed gas it is.
BEV's keeps improving on regular basis, its generally most convenient and cheapest option out there as alternative for gasoline cars. Hydrogen fuel cells would be second option, third would be, maybe, e-fuel type cars, then maybe hydrogen combustion. Aka your combustion engines would maybe kind of potentially work for heavy machinery, kind of, not really tho, as you could still get better performance and cheaper maintenance from fuel cell.
Point is that hydrogen came in too late for it to become anything more than someone rich guys expensive toy, we got better solution.
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@piero17sb
Much lower in infrastructure? Are you sure about that?... Because it's the most expensive infrastructure for any type of fuel out there... No cheapest, but most expensive one.
Maintenance cost will be high too, as for example every single hydrogen tank has expiration dates printed on them, yes, not by mile driver, but by time. And due to how corrosive hydrogen can be in general you will be paying big bucks to keep that car running.
Main waste from hydrogen cars is production of hydrogen and it needs crap ton of energy.
This "real" car will be as popular as Blackberry was with its physical keyboard. Hardly anyone even remembers that company anymore... Times change, we don't need cars which can be heard from 10 blocks away just because YOU want to hear that sound. If you do want that sound, then buy a video game, put on headset, turn volume to 150% and enjoy it.
Hydrogen cars will not be a thing, and I'm not even talking about combustion ones, I'm talking about the more practical fuel cell ones which are the only ones being produces, and for good reason. Hydrogen is already extra expensive and going with 2x (at minimum) the cost is just insanity even if you like the sound.
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@AmanNama-wv5dt
"well for starters u can make hydrogen straight up with just connectin a solar panel to water"
Well yes, just like you could make your own petroleum from crude oil... How many are actually doing that? Equipment and work required to do this on private scale is way higher than you will get back, this is why you don't have private petroleum factories in everyone's garages or even near cities. Its just economically not viable.
" has all the benefits of a convectional car"
? Like what? Hydrogen cars require bunch of space for their tanks, this is not conventional... Hydrogen cars are basically electrical ones, most of them have batteries to equalize delivered power and to have source of power on actual instantaneous demand.
"fast charging"
By how much? 5-10 minutes? How much more will you be paying in comparison to BEV's? 150+ bucks for full "tank"? Do you make 150 in 5-10 minutes for this to be worth your saved time? By the way, you can charge BEV at your house over night, so charging times are non existing and every day you have full "tank"
"ability to carry fuel in a container so ur not a grid addict"
No, just no... This is definitely a false information. Hydrogen in these cars gets up to 10000 PSI, yes, this high. You can't just have a tank of hydrogen you can carry around in a meaningful way... It would be way easier to carry a battery...
"and u dont need to make billions of batteries and pollute the environment in the process"
How do you think hydrogen is being made currently? Natural gas... Do you think that this actually is cleaner than BEV's? No, no its not. Calculations have been done on BEV and hydrogen fuel cell cars, while both are really close on overall pollution, BEV still wins, not by much, but still wins.
"just imagine how much stress it' gonna cause to fucken rebuild the electric grid in the whole world to handle EV charging"
And this is why you should spend more than 5 minutes on this topic before you start claiming that one is better than the other. Did you know that producing hydrogen will require 60% MORE electricity to drive you same distance as it would with pure BEV? So your argument about the grid works against hydrogen cars. Even tho its non issue, grid expands based on demand, just like it did for its entire existence.
"its impossible they just selling bullshit"
But it is possible, car manufacturers have specific goals governments sets for them, companies are required to start shifting towards cleaner solutions, so they want it or not, they simply have to make something, it can be complete rubbish, but they still need to make it just to tick that "I make green stuff" check box.
"we talking here insane amounts of energy and the resources we need just to make it all lmao"
And we will need way more for hydrogen cars, so you are debunking your own argument here.
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@TiLonGonn
"The word circle in Hebrew means sphere mate, they're interchangeable."
Riiiiight, so people who translated it decided to use wrong word because why not... And if its interchangeable, then how the hell you decided that its referring towards globe and not flat?
Which part of bible actually says earth to be a globe and not flat? because there is verse which indicates that you should be able to see entire earth from big tree or mountain... Soooo, if nothing in bible says that earth is globe, but we can find quite few talking about earth being flat, which way should we go exactly here?
"What object looks like a circle from any angle? Oh that's right it's a sphere."
Riiiiiiiiiight, because it was talking from perspective of an angel... Duh... How dumb em I....
"it's called a figure of speech"
like global flood? Like Adam and Eve? Like god?
How did you decided which verses are figure of speech? Is your rule "If its got scientific debunking evidence then its figure of speech, otherwise its a fact until proven to be false by science"?
"The bible does confirm the existence of nothing outside of Earth"
But its not nothing... We still have particles in space, even earths atmosphere stretches' beyond moon, then you have entire solar system, billions of stars in our galaxy and billions of galaxies, so yea, not nothing... So one more fail in your basket.
"You say you're not a Flat Earther but you keep repeating the same Flat Earther bs."
I'm not flat earthers and i'm not religious, this is why i can poke in both sides while using flatardian arguments against you. Bible is simply wrong on basics, nothing new here and you will not get away with that as hard as you want too. Shape of earth is generally quite small issue with biblical claims which have been proven to be false.
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@TiLonGonn
"Point out exactly which verse says that the Earth is flat."
"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "
"Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) "
""He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)""
""He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)""
""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)""
""that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)""
""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)""
Those are at best wage descriptions which lean towards earth being flat, now provide me a verse which would lean towards earth being globe...
"You're just spreading the same lies that Flat Earthers are"
Its not a lie, your failure in your own religion is not our problem, and like i said already, your book talking about earth being flat is one of smallest issues with it... So if you are so but hurt about this tiny thing then och boy what would happen if we would start addressing actual and meaningful things from it...
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@TiLonGonn
"So by using an expression like "to the ends of the Earth" doesn't mean something very very far away but instead it means the Earth has a physical end? Do you understand English?"
Do you? I'm giving out you quotes from your magical book, you have verses which leans towards earth being flat, which perfectly matches what people at that time thought earth to be, which is fine, bible is wrong on earths shape, nothing surprising here. On top of that you have no verses which would indicate that earth is spherical. So why do we have multiple ones which lean towards flatardia and none which leans towards reality?
"Again like I said at the start, learn what a metaphor is."
So is everything in your book is metaphor if its been proven to be false? Global flood is metaphor too? What about Adam and Eve? How do you cherry pick which verses are metaphor and which are not?
"You failed to show a single verse that says "the earth is flat" plainly and clearly, so you failed at your original point in general."
Well you as Eric here so desperately trying to defend your book of fables that its even sad to read... Why do you try to defend it on such basic issue? People thought at that time that earth is flat, this is reflected in bible, simple, nothing mysterious about it, bible is wrong on more things then shape of earth, yet you so desperately trying to defend this one specifically that it would even matter on a grand scale... it doesn't... Bible is still just a book of fables even with it talking about earth being flat or not...
"You don't have to agree with religion. But you don't have to lie about it either."
I dint lied, your brainwashing and attempt to defend your own religion will not change the fact that people who wrote your book thought that earth is flat and this clearly got reflected in your book.
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@TiLonGonn
"It's not cherry picking, it's common sense."
No, its called: cherry picking.
If you say that this verse is metaphor while another one is not and both of them talks about magic being real while having same amount of evidence for both, zero, that is cherry picking.
"which means it's open to interpretations."
I know, this is why we have over 1000 denominations based on same book...
"he verse that says the Earth is a circle or a sphere"
Actual word in Hebrew in your book was "ḥūḡ" now be a champ and give me link to dictionary which translates this word into sphere as secondary option for Circle... Because what i can only find is "ḥūḡ = circle = flat disk" So by which translation its a sphere?
"along with a few other things like the water cycle"
Which verse talks about that? Because i can bet that you dont have a single verse which actually explains water cycle but you cherry picked multiple of those and invented your own interpretation of it to make it a "water cycle"... Tho... What's your point? Even if your book had E=MC^2 that would not prove that god is real... Having one correct thing doesn't make rest of it correct...
"it's not always 100% accurate because many languages"
Correct. So how do you know that "ḥūḡ" word was miss translated? If it was, why then all translations done by actual experts in Hebrew translated it as circle and not as sphere?
"Again I never said I was defending my religion"
But you are... You still trying, even with that attempt to claim that bible talks about water cycle... You are trying to defend your book... And even the share fact that you got so butt hurt when i mentioned bible talking about earth being flat shows that you want your book to have less false things in it that it already has... C'mon... We both know that you are trying to defend your religion here, no need to pretend...
"As we keep telling you, there's not a single verse that says that directly. "
Which is interesting, because your book is quite free for interpretation across the board... Yet, we have multiple verses indicating that man who wrote it had basic idea of earth being flat and not spherical, this is obvious from multiple verses provided in here. Simple man who wrote your book had no supernatural knowledge, they wrote it as they though it to be, which was common understanding at that time, so nothing surprising here.
"Adam and Eve and the Flood have nothing to do with the shape of the Earth."
Actually, it does. As you have bunch of false uneducated claims in your book it only proves that your book was not inspired by some all knowing god but it was written by ignorant people. It only supports my position, its not direct proof, but its proof that ignorant people wrote your book, and having ignorant one will lead you to incorrect statement, like shape of earth... 1+1=2... Just adding everything into one big pile and sooner you realize this better it will be.
"You can criticize whatever you want. But making stuff up doesn't help you."
And i'm not making stuff up, you are. You have text translated by experts in Hebrew and they used word "circle" and not "sphere" or "ball" or any other word which would be accurate to reality, yet you are here trying to make a claim that this word actually means sphere because reasons... Sorry, but its not me who makes shit up...
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@ericb3157
"i am taking issue with the FACT that you keep flinging cheap INSULTS at everyone who says the bible does NOT say earth is flat, EXACTLY like ALL flat-earthers do!"
I'm not insulting, i'm just stating facts. Just because you dont like facts, after all, you believe in wizards because book said so (take that as insult if you wish, still a fact) so just because you dont like facts, that will not change the fact that those are facts.
"f you don't want to be taken for a flat-earther, STOP saying "the bible says earth is flat, YOU IDIOT"!"
When did i said "You idiot"? Only one person here used that word:
TiLonGonn
So are you now trying to be a liar and misrepresent what I said? Isint that a sin by your religion?
And stating fact that your book says something doesn't mean that i'm making a claim that its true... For example, your book says that there was global flood, thats a fact, your book makes this claim, but at same time its a fact that this claim is false. Same thing with shape of earth. Why do you failing to understand some basics like that?
"if you don't want EVERYONE to think you're a flat-earther, stop acting EXACTLY LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM."
Like what? How many flat earthers you know who says that earth is a globe? Do you even think before you write?
"is LITERALLY identical WORD-FOR-WORD to what several flat earthers have said TO ME."
Riiiiight, so if i can find mass murderer you used sentence from your response, would that mean that you are mass murderer?... Use your brains... For once in your life, use your brains...
"so, you are either a flat-earther or a particularly disgusting TROLL."
Or nether of those. Like I stated multiple times by now, earth is a globe, thats a fact, but bible talks about earth being flat, thats a fact too, again, same thing like it was with global flood claim. Your failure to understand this is just baffling...
"STOP WITH THE CHEAP INSULTS!"
Like what? Its you who keeps calling me flat-earther when i corrected you already. Its you who wants to call me a troll just because our opinions doesnt match... Its you who misrepresented what i said... C'mon...
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@ericb3157
"those ARE insults you HYPOCRITE!"
Really? Lets check them out.
1. "You being butthurt that your magical book is wrong on one more thing will not change the fact that it is wrong."
That's not an insult, that's stating a fact that your book which talks about magic being real which makes it "magical" talks about earth being flat, you trying to come up with some excuses to try and explain that its not saying it is you being buthurt as that would crumble your "perfect" text.
2. "You are out of your league here... And quite confused..."
Again. Simple fact. You are out of your league here and quite confused. Its not an insult, its stating facts.
3. "Sorry, but its not me who makes shit up..."
Again, simple fact, it wasn't me who makes shit up to try explain something what isint there, it was you.
4. "you believe in wizards because book said so (take that as insult if you wish, still a fact)"
And one more time, thats simply a fact, its not an insult, your book talks about being which uses magic which makes him a wizard by definition. You might not like this fact, but its still a fact.
Now I have suspicion that you don't even know what actual insult is...
"ONLY a flat earther would accuse someone who disagrees with him of being brainwashed.
that is a SIN, you disgusting LIAR."
Are you trying to imply that i'm flat earther? Isint that a sin by your world view and you will burn in hell for eternity by doing this?
"you forfeited ANY right to complain about being treated like a flat-earther when you VOMITED that LIE."
First of all, i dint lied, thats quite dishonest of you to say that, so you might be ready to burn in hell for eternity.
Second, even if i lied, that would not make me a flat earther, that would only make me a liar... You cant even keep basic logical statements here you just want to try to make some childish accusations... I mean... I can see that you are buthurt that i'm questioning your immoral self contradictory book which contains bunch of false claims, but still, calm down, its just a book of fables.
"so do YOU believe in the "great flood" or NOT?"
Why would I? Its a fictional story in your book, nothing more. And on top of that we have evidence that it never happen. So why would i believe that?
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@TiLonGonn
"I said that you're attempts to say that the bible says the Earth is Flat is idiotic."
It would be idiotic to say that bible doesn't atleast imply that earth is a flat disk by labeling it as circle and not as sphere. I have multiple verses which at worst implies earth to be flat and you have none which would imply it to be spherical. So it would be idiotic to say that bible doesn't talk about earth being flat.
"I used that word because again, there's not a single verse that says the Earth is Flat."
Yet we have verses like "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth" where circle is not a sphere but flat disk. As some of you desperately tried to say that it should not mean disk but sphere, well, you failed to defend that point and you should go and make your own translation of your book if it was miss translated. But as you dint do it, i will go with translation provided by actual experts and not some random youtube comment warriors like all of you here.
"The. Bible. Isn't. A. Science. Book."
I know, this is why i pointed out that it contains incorrect information about earths shape... Duh...
"Regardless of if you believe in a god or not, this basic scripture is describing the water cycle."
? Its basic observation... have you ever seen boiling water? Creates mist, that one condenses and drops down... People who observed that and compared that mist to clouds could have easily made this verse from basic observations... its nothing new...
On top of this, its not accurate verse, you literally interpreting it as you wish to fit actual reality. Its not god who draws up water, its evaporation. You literally making shit up here. Tho i have no idea why you even mention it... Even for sake of argument i could say that bible contains some accurate observations of reality... Cool... So what? Will you make argument from personal incredulity to explain how they knew it?
"This here again is describing something scientific."
Something scientific? You cant even describe what it says and yet its scientific?... Again... You do realize that existence of embryos was known for quite some time now? Right? So how is mentioning something from common knowledge proves anything?
"This will likely be my last post as it seems to be pointless to go further."
It is pointless, because you will not win this argument. Not my first rodeo and you clearly have nothing substantial to present here anyways.
"The bible doesn't directly say the Earth is Flat, so saying that it does is false."
What's the meaning of word "circle"? is it spherical object or flat one? If you want to claim that its spherical one, then make a correction to your book, fix those issues and then we can say that you are correct, until then you have nothing here.
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@rg5445
"I don’t belong to any group a can assure you"
You belong to the group who doesn't care about others if they don't effect your life directly. Wasn't this what you said?
"doesn’t mean I don’t care about actual important issues"
So you simply ignore smaller issues? Small issue is not an issue for you?
"if you really are indeed worried that everyone needs to believe what you believe"
No, what i want is for people to know how to evaluate claims, to understand logical fallacies, to understand basic reality and to simply go with facts and not with personal feelings what is true or false. I care what is actually true, i want others to care about it too. I want to educate people about reality and not spread some silly unsupported claims.
"ridiculing them won’t change their minds. Would it change yours?..."
Maybe. If you present a claim and i can actually ridicule it and my ridicule is not invalid, shouldn't you stop and reconsider your claim? I can agree that ridicule is not the best approach, but doesn't make it invalid.
"because where I come from the only thing that would’ve got you is a busted lip. "
And? Does that make people who busted my lip correct just because they dint liked ridicule? Which brings yet another issue... Thin skin... Resulting in hand waving is not something you should do, if some one doesn't like what they hear, they can leave, but this is not the case for actual physical assault, so try not to compare those.
"if you’re on a mission to rid the world of ignorance good luck with that"
Thanks.
"What are you the thought police?"
What are you, ignorant one? I don't advocate for specific thoughts, i don't even advocate for speech being limited, what i advocate is that you cant go around and claim that earth is flat because you feel it in your balls. You could come along and propose claim that earth maybe could be flat while it would be shut down straight away as nonsensical claim as its a observable fact that its a globe. Again, ridiculous ideas can be ridiculed. If you don't want to be ridiculed, don't propose ridiculous ideas... Which is quite strange, as on one hand you say that people can make ridiculous ideas and propose them as possible reality while we cant actually ridicule those ideas... You cant have only one of those, if you have one you will have another, if you want to ban ridiculing then band ridiculous ideas, if you don't want to ban ridiculous ideas then you cant ban ridicule. Its simple.
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@YinYangPanda
"This is a rhetorical ploy, not a rational critique."
You do know that this is youtube reactionary video and not official debate? Right? So how the hell is saying "Jordan Peterson just had his Cathy Newman moment." is a logical fallacy?
"It primes the audience to interpret Peterson’s statements through a lens of hypocrisy and intellectual collapse—before any claim is even analyzed."
So if I said "You are wrong and here is why" in your world view this would be logical fallacy because I primed listeners to think that you are wrong? This is nitpicking on highest level at best.
"Peterson could be critiquing atheism’s rejection of misunderstood or oversimplified religious structures without necessarily defending specific dogmas"
Funny enough that you added "could be" its like no one actually knows what is Peterson's position here which would indicate that your critique here could be (cha) invalid as you can't base your "false dilemma" accusation on "could be". Is it or is it not? If it only could be then there isn't a false dilemma if by Petersons actual position he should must either fully accept or outright reject religious belief in its broadest forms, right?
"Peterson does not reject Lono—he plainly states he doesn’t know anything about Lono"
Just like atheists do not know about god, yet Peterson wants to say that atheists reject god because they fail to understand one. It wasn't a strawman it was using Petersons argument against Peterson. I could only point out that David jumped the gun to fast and should have asked if Peterson accepts or rejects Lono as a god, but we both know where this question would have lead to "Define belief, define god, define knowledge, define Lono", still, not a strawman fallacy.
"Appeal to authority: “We studied this—so we must be right.”"
That not even what Appeal to authority is... And appealing to actual authority isn't a fallacy. If I have brain cancer me appealing to a brain surgeon isn't committing some sort of authority fallacy, he is an actual authority, what would be fallacious is for me to find a plumber and ask him to explain to me what I should do with my brain cancer and maybe even ask him to cut it out... That would be stupid, as he isn't an authority on that topic.
"Begging the question: “Our knowledge proves our knowledge.”"
When did that happen?
"Epistemic closure: “There’s no way we’re wrong because no valid challenge can exist.”"
When did that happen?
"→ Personal incredulity seals the loop: “We can’t imagine being wrong, so we aren’t.”"
When did that happen?
"Now, you tell me—how accurate was my extrapolation?"
It wasn't, but atleast you tried.
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@icholi88
First of all, BEV should be charged up to 80% for daily driving and only for long trips you can go to 100%. Tho its side thing, but clearly you didn't know that.
2022 Kia EV6 Wind AWD charge time from 5 to 100% is 44 minutes. So you are factually incorrect on that. I mean, I can't even find a BEV which takes longer than 90 minutes to fully charge. So again, you are using data from 90's as it seems.
And if i recall correctly some company like 1-2 months ago did a fast charging test where they recharged car fully in like 10-15 minutes.
So not only you failed to realize that BEV's don't need 2+ hours to charge, you failed to understand that there are quite few technologies in development which can cut that charging time basically to the same ones you will spend at hydrogen station.
"You are either a corporate plant or intentionally ignorant. "
This is so ironic from someone who thinks that you need 2+ hours to charge BEV... C'mon...
"Range and charge time remains a problem for most electric vehicles compared to fossil"
Aaaaand? BEV's now usually have 300miles, some have 500. How often do you need to travel that far in one go? And charge times are nonexistent issue if you simply charge your car at home over night while you sleep, isn't it? There are bunch of people who use their solar panels to charge their cars which makes their travel at lowest cost possible and always have full "tank" before leaving to work.
"Hydrogen resolves the largest issues of both"
By asking 200 bucks for 400 mile range? Yea, no... There is reason why some companies gives 15k for the fuel when you buy hydrogen car, even then people struggle to refuel due to lack of infrastructure due to how bonkers and demanding it is.
"It just requires a completely different infrastructure to support it while electric already is taken care of because of the existing grid."
yes, and this will not change. To build single hydrogen refueling station you need to invest around one million bucks, while BEV charging station can be like 50k or even less. This doesn't even takes into consideration how much more maintenance you need for hydrogen stations and how often they break due to their complexity. And not even taking into consideration that any wall socket can be used for charging your BEV.
Hydrogen cars are non starter, those ONLY sound cool on paper but doesn't work in reality. Too many issues with its fundamental technology.
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@PhillyDee215
"if that core was strong enough to keep over 70% of water 💧 pulled to this earth then we as people would be pancaked "
? Do you have bones or muscles? Yea, those things which allow you to not be a pancaked... And gravity is relatively weak force, its enough to keep things on its surface, but it is relatively weak force. So i have no idea what you tried to even say here... Do you even know what gravity is?
"So we're just walking freely within this same gravity that's holding this entire earth together"
Yes, welcome to reality.
"but that would mean this earth is made out of a sphere and all this water was poured in"
no... Again... gravity... Object in size like earth and with mass like earth will tend to collapse on itself creating most optimal shape for that: sphere. Where you have equal distances towards center of mass. Its basic physics here... I just assume that you are trying to troll here.
"So the astronauts have to penetrate thru a sphere not the atmosphere to get to the moon"
Are you drunk? What sphere?
"if we're within the same gravity that's holding down the mass amount of water then it would be impossible to even walk"
Says who? You? based on what? Your personal opinion?... Ok... We dont care. present actual math, actual calculations which would prove your point, otherwise its just an empty claim of yours based on your ignorance about... well... everything...
"Gravity is a made up explanation to explain what goes up and y it comes down"
Cavendish experiment proves that objects with mass attract objects with mass. So, lets use big brains here: earth, big mass attracts humans.
Gravity is a fact, i know you dont like reality, but well, you cant escape it in your fantasy world.
"its called weight"
How does weight calculated? Because i can bet you dint realized that but to calculate weight you need to include gravity into equation. Isint that ironic?
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@PhillyDee215
"water don't naturally bend nor curve unless its taking the shape of something"
Tides?... Like seriously... TIDES... You have literal water bending even if we lived on space pancake (assuming you believe in space) and you want to say that water doesn't bend?
" So since the earth is round u say..."
I'm not saying, its just a fact. Grass is green not because i said so, but because it is...
"So we're living within a ball shaped object in order for the water to take this shape your saying?"
What?
"Gravity alone does not cause water to shape into a ball....Common sense here."
We left common sense when we started to talk about earth being flat...
But like seriously, i will assume that you just trolling here. But well, troll or not its always nice to educate people. Like i mentioned before, gravity, attraction between objects with mass. So as water have mass if you would put water in a 0g environment it would form into a ball due to gravity, that's basic physics 101. In our case we dont have only water we have bunch of earth and other stuff which is heavier then water, soooooooo, hard thinking moment here, as we have gravity everything will tend to take most optimal shape, which is... sphere...
I know its hard for you to understand this as this requires thinking in 3 dimension and not on 2d like flat earth, so it might require some extra thinking, but well, reality just disagrees with you and your personal ignorant opinion will not change it.
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@jakestarr4718
"Lol the ISS is in lower Earth orbit, go read. All satellites as well."
First of all, you do know that orbit is only possible on a globe?...
Second, most satellites are on lower earth orbit, but not all of them.
"We've never left Earth buddy. EVER!!!"
Dint you just said that ISS is lower earth orbit? And are we talking about shape of earth or your claim that we never went above that? Because we need to establish shape of earth first of all, before we go something more complex than that...
"Read the NASA page with pictures, "Renditions". Not including project fish bowl. "
Yes, please, read, all of it, not only one sentence you cherry picked but entire thing... lets see who is incorrect here... And what is even more funny that you literally believing what NASA says on page X while dismissing everything on page Y from same NASA...
"No I couldn't determine how it looked from the outside without actually seeing it"
Why not? And especially when using same analogy and applying to our galaxy, walls of this house are transparent. You know how far away each room stretches, you can determine actual size and shape of the house without looking at it from outside, no need to be 100% accurate, but you can do that...
"You could make any geometrically shaped light bulb and from a far enough distance it will appear round. "
? have you ever heard about sun filter?... You know, that thing, that glass with some tint on it which removed glare and you can actually see real shape of light source, that one...
"Philosophy is a tool of understanding or realization"
And how is this related to the shape of earth?...
"Language gymnastics is next?"
Correct. Word "set" has over 300 meanings depending on context, so we can perform literal language gymnastics.
"Ok then Mrs Butterworth"
Well atleast its clear what is your mental age.
"Your name is irrelevant."
Correct, my name is irrelevant, something is true/false independent who said it, what matters is argument itself not who said it.
"I'm not going to claim something that isn't concrete or based in proper evidence"
Cool, so you cant claim that earth is flat, especially when its proven fact that its a spherical.
"I suppose the Earth's core is a molten chunk of iron and surrounded by water waiting to explode too!"
Who made this silly claim?
"I suppose the frequencies emitted by the Black Knight satellite is fantasy too"
Do you have evidence that its not?
"But no one actually knows. If someone does know and has proof it's hidden for some reason. "
Which is more likely: Natural object which follows natural laws of physics or magic?
"to try and manipulate my mind to think like yours"
Like a normal human being you mean?
"However you brought nothing but absurdity in thought"
Says some one who thinks that flat space pizza is possible because he failed to prove to himself that earth is a globe... C'mon, lets be real here...
"There ya go... Obama on lower Earth orbit. Big break throughs... Yeah like leaving lower Earth orbit."
? What this video should even prove exactly? That earth is globe? Because you can only have orbit on a globe. That we dont have appropriate technology to safely travel further than lower earth orbit? Well we are working on that one. Moon missions have been performed just to piss off Russians and maybe find something useful on the moon in regards of dangerous trip to it. There was nothing, so after couple missions it was shutdown as each trip costed like a billion dollars, quite expensive trip to the place which has nothing to offer... Now as we have different companies investing their money, like spacex, which can lower costs of space travel multiple times, traveling to the moon became something reachable and in near future we will go back there to establish some basic base like we have with ISS. After that will be Mars with an actual self sustaining base.
So your provided video only proves my point here... So thanks.
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@jakestarr4718
"Orbit is only possible on a sphere... Looks at sun and moon..."
Moon orbits earth, sun is a center of our solar system, while sun doesn't orbit another planet, it does orbit center of the galaxy which by current understanding is a black hole. Did i need to be extremely specific when i make some general claims?
"Everything else works elliptical. Not on Earth! It's special!
"
What? What works elliptical? What the hell are you talking about here? Could you be any more specific?...
"I was designing a road yesterday for a sphere. But I used a plane model for it."
And? if we are talking about 3d design and you have sphere in size of earth and you have road in size of a regular one, then i cant see any issues in using plane of a road... What issue there should be?
"I tried to use a compass on a sphere, but it works on a plane model."
? Compass point to the poles, what issue do you find with that exactly? And why would compass point to south pole on flat earth model?
"I dunno man, there's like reoccurring incident."
Yes, your ignorance.
"Even when looking at shipping lanes to flight plans."
How do they look like? Take any plane flight path on southern hemisphere on a flat map, how do they look like? They have an arch, right? Why is that? If you would take same exact plane flight path and put on a globe, how would it look like? Nice and straight line... Who could knew, its like earth is actually sphere and not flat pancake...
But seriously, all 4 comments you made here are more or less you being but hurt and screaming at me while holding your fingers in ears... Did you had any point to present here or did i missed one?
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@ultraniusmaximus1536
"What is it with you people with the whole "...says every Flat Earther" line?"
What about it? Its just basic observation that flat earthers like to use phrase like this when they cant actually prove their point so they simply say that we should go and find information which should prove their point... Its not our job to prove you correct/wrong, its yours.
"our beliefs are the same, so obviously you'll hear similar truths"
What truths? Your statement that i should find information supporting your claim is some what a truth? Its your empty claim and i will not waste my time doing your job here, if you cant prove your point, then thats that, we can dismiss it entirely as invalid without any need to provide counter evidence.
"And even asking the question how NASA is even relevant here shows how much you've missed the mark"
But NASA is not relevant here... There are dozens of space agencies across the world while those are irrelevant here too... We know that earth is a globe not because NASA said so, but because its provable fact from reality anyone could confirm from their backyard with 1 dollar solar filter...
"Lastly, I won't ask for your backyard proofs, because they don't exist"
So if you dont even know what are those, how do you know that those dont exist? Scared of reality? My proofs are really simple, doesn't require any math, no expensive equipment, just spare time and 1 dollar solar filter. If you cant even pass this basic observation anyone can do, then anything else than this will fly over your head. So lets from basics and lets see at which point we disagree.
Learn to walk before you try to run.
"and you couldn't prove anything even if you wanted"
Yet I can.
"which you obviously don't because you don't seem to understand what truth is."
Do you? Because until this point you only presented your ignorant opinion, nothing more. So what do you call "truth" and where can i find it in your comments exactly?
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@ultraniusmaximus1536
"You calling anyone's opinion ignorant is, in itself, ignorant."
If your opinion is based on your ignorance, its it ignorant. What objection can you even have against this?
"I've been stating truth from the start"
If its a truth then you should be able to prove it to be true and not only make a claim that it is. What you did so far was only a claim that something is true, you dint proved that it is true.
"You seem to want to fight instead of learn"
False, i want to know what is actually true independent of how i will feel after getting this information, if you could prove that earth is flat then i will accept it in no time, but as you failed to do so i will go with things i know to be true which in general matches globe model without any issues.
"I have better things to do than to deal with cognitive dissonance."
What? Where did I engaged in cognitive dissonance? Do you often make shit up just to create excuse to run away when you got your ass put on fire?
Basic reality is quite basic, you made a claim that earth is flat, you failed to present ANY evidence that it is, so claims without any evidence can be dismissed without any. While i can sit here and list dozens of separate methods proving that earth is a globe. Its not a cognitive dissonance, its basic education.
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@bpeng2000
I mean, yea, hydrogen can work for buses, trains and similar heavy equipment, will not work for regular passenger cars. And for energy storage, well, there are hot salt ones, hot sand, some water ones where you have one pond lower than the other and so on. Hydrogen simply introduces quite a bit of complexity and maintenance costs to be viable for any excess energy storage. Using that excess to make hydrogen which you will then use in trains, planes or what not, kind of works, but you would still need to produce that hydrogen on site and it would be split across all those separate sectors... Hard to say how viable that would be.
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@RoadKing05FLHR
What do you even mean "parallels and meridians are not semetrical"? Symmetrical in what sense? Most common maps, which are projections of globe into 2D surface will have parallel meridians to each other and parallel parallels... Which is not the case when it comes to actual globe, so flattened maps are not accurate representation of reality, those are decent approximations, but not accurate. So flat earth app using flat map of a globe earth will not be accurate, it is good enough for general purposes, but its not actually accurate.
You can go into google and enter "true sizes of countries" and get general idea how distorted 2d maps are.
If you want to claim that it can show accurate distances programmatically between 2 places by using actual gloe model while displaying it on 2D image, ok, that 2D is still inaccurate visualization of reality.
Duno if its you or me who fails to understand entire point here...
"As I said, all maps are flat. What you're expecting doesn't exist."
It does exist... We call it a "globe"... You know, that thing which is actually 3D which is actual representation of actual reality which can be utilized in an app... Of you know, you can have physical globe on your desk, that one works too... So I have no idea in which reality none flat maps don't exist... Which multiverse do you live in? Cartoon one?
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@RoadKing05FLHR
"so you are continuing on with the picture doesn't match reality so it's not an accurate map."
Because its not... It might be good enough for general purposes, but its not accurate... Its a 2D projection of 3D object... It can't be accurate...
"You are using flat earthers logic by taking one part of the map and saying it's semetrical."
No idea what this sentence even mean.
"As I said before the land has to be in the correct location to make an accurate map. The shape has nothing to do with it."
How the hell is shape of a thing will have nothing todo with it? Take Australia for example, its usually shown wider than it actually is, because that's what happens when you use Mercator projection. And there isint one which would not have some issues with distances, in one way or the other. If you magically got one, feel free to share it with all of us.
"There is a good reason why there is no scale on a full Earth Mercator. That reason is that it's a projection. A scale will not work."
Correct, so that makes this map inaccurate... Right? Just like any flat earth map would be? Right?...
"a globe is not a map."
Actually it is a map, so something new for you to learn.
"Maps are accurate, they are all projected into a useful shape for a specific reason."
Yet they are not... You can get them accurate enough if you pick small area, as it would result in basically flat surface which would have smallest amount of distortion, but you can never get 100% accurate representation of spherical world on a 2D plane.
"However you have failed to say anything rational on the topic of the Flat Earth app."
Something rational? Ok, you should not use flat earth app. Was this rational enough for your taste?
"If you can point out something actually wrong with the app then maybe you have a point to make. I'll be happy to confirm that the coordinates are correct. "
Coordinates? So your entire argument is that this flat earth useless map is only accurate if you are only looking at a coordinates and not at representation of actual earth in an actual map format? Then at this point I can make earth is a shape of unicorn and still produce accurate coordinates for you... Would that make this app useful in your head?
I just wondering why are you so desperate to defend app created by someone who is denies basic reality, uses data from globe model and uses fictional map of earth? And its a geocentric model based one too?... It could be cool for memes or something, but its useless app, most likely created to troll people. So that's that.
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@RoadKing05FLHR
"Maps are accurate"
Not 2D maps.
"There is no such thing as an actual Earth map format or whatever you keep trying to say."
We call those things: Globes.
"Do you think the Mercator map was created by a rectangular Earther?"
No, it was made by normal human being, doesn't make any difference here... Your remark is weird... My point remains the same and its know issue, you can't properly project spherical surface on 2D without introducing warping... Why do you think we have like over 50 different projection types of a globe?... Because there is none which is actually fully accurate... All of them have their own issues. Welcome to reality little one.
"The app is accurate."
Its claiming to be based on geocentric model... So clearly something isn't accurate there... Right?
"The equidistant projection was created to measure distance along meridians."
Cool, now use same projection and give me shortest path between Australia and Chile. Then give me shortest path to travel there. Then give me calculated distance in KM between those places. Lets see how well it will work out for you.
"Maps are projections. A globe is not a map."
Education time.
Definition of a map: a diagrammatic representation of an area of land or sea showing physical features, cities, roads, etc.
Where do you see exactly requirement for a map to be a projection?
And for love of your god, just google "Is globe a map?" that will help you to save your face here.
" As I said before the app was not created by a flat earther."
App called "flat earth", using generic most common earth projection as its base map, and based on geocentric model isn't made by flat earther?... C'mon... Then was it made by a troll who made it for shits and giggles?
"Instead of referring to your imaginary map that doesn't exist why don't you try to find what's incorrect in the app?"
Why are you so desperate here? Are you the creator of this useless app?
"There is nothing incorrect about the geocentric view"
Everything is wrong about it... Its incorrect view of actual reality...
"That's the way we see it."
Maybe ignorant people see it that way, doesn't make it correct way. Some people think that earth is a flat pancake too, doesn't mean that its true or that we should use flat earth app for anything...
"The app, like others that are made to display the data show it that way because that's the way it is."
But its not, earth is a globe and its a heliocentric model. So why twist actual reality?
"It is displaying the Sun, Moon and other planets as they are to the observer at their zenith."
Which is incorrect way to display reality... Why not simply use globe model instead of accurate placement of those celestial objects in the sky? like seriously, that flatardian map has enormous issues when it comes to anything on southern hemisphere... People would looking away from north pole around entire southern hemisphere and seeing same start, which makes zero sense on that map... So then how the hell will you display celestial objection which is in the south on that map?
"this demonstrates the flat Earth phenomenon pretty well."
Yea, people are either stupid, willingly ignorant or just trolls.
"Some people who want to fool you show you an accurate map and tell you it's the flat Earth map."
No idea what this sentence mean. There are no accurate 2D maps.
"So being as all the data comes from NOAA, NASA and other agencies and are considered accurate they have no leg to stand on."
? What the hell is this sentence should even imply here?
I can disprove flat earth with one word: Sunsets... no need to point to some random dumb flat earth app on android...
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@RoadKing05FLHR
"A globe is not a map."
Globe is a 3D map, try to think in more than 2 dimensions here.
"Geocentric view is accurate."
How?... It factually incorrect about earth's movement around sun... So no, its not accurate...
" The app is accurate"
Its map isn't accurate. Its entire earths model isint accurate.
"Pretty much take everything I said and reapply it to the brain and take everything you said to the contrary and put the word false, and write what you said beside it. "
So basically your reply is "Naha, you're wrong and i'm correct!!! Maaaaam!!!"
"your description of a map does not include a globe."
? It does include what globe is... Right? You can understand that much? Are you saying that globe isn't fitting this? "A diagrammatic representation of an area of land or sea showing physical features, cities, roads, etc."
"If you cannot figure it out that all maps are projected then I guess it's not your fault"
You are not the best at reading, are you now? Your 2D maps are projections, I made this quite clear... My entire point is that your app uses projection and not actual representation of earth... That was my entire point here... Damn you are slow... And as you seem to agree that your map is just a projection, then maybe you can be brave enough to agree that projections are not accurate? Can you be atleast that honest?
"Every GIS program in existence requires that you select a projection before you can even create the map."
Or you could use actual 3D globe... Your GIS program requiring you to pick one of the projections would ONLY apply when you are making flat maps... Do you even think before you write or is this natural thing for trolls?
"Globe is not one of the several hundred choices."
There is only one option for the globe, there are dozens for flat maps. Welcome to reality little one.
"I keep picturing you riding in your car with a globe mounted in there, looking for a gas station. "
Or i can use GPS... You know, that modern thing which can have maps in them based on a globe... Tho again, you might have missed few things in my replies, but I already explained that small areas have small distortions, so you can use flat map when you are traveling relatively short distances as those will not have big discrepancies for it to actually matter. But I guess now you just resulting in some 5 year old insults or something.
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@jimthomas777
"Genesis 1:8 says that the Firmament is Heaven"
Ok, but then what is Heaven? Clouds? Space?
"and they knew what a Firmament was"
Yet you cant explain it now... Replacing word with another one is not a explanation. What is firmament? If its heaven, then what is heaven? And why do you have different words for same thing?
"so to hear that these Flat Earthers claim that it's a Dome over the Earth makes me Laugh"
It does make me laugh too, but when you have bible which says that firmament separate waters, that would mean that you have some boundaries, some barrier, something what separates that. What is it? Air? Clouds? Atmosphere in general?
"That's a cool name Zrips , is that you're first name or Last "
Nether, its a nickname, internet is not as private as you might want too and showing of your real name isint best thing in the world. And i'm using this same one in multiple places, so in some sense it is my internet name, allot shorter and more simplistic then my real one.
"I will give you a hint"
Why all those hints instead of actual verses?
"the clouds are in the Firmament or Heavens ,
Last time I looked clouds are
WATER"
yet bible says that firmament separated waters, which means that clouds are not in firmament but on another side of it. So clouds cant be part of your firmament. So what it is then?
You literally using same exact verses to try prove that bible is correct about earth being globe while flat earthers use those to prove that earth is flat, while both of you just creating your own interpretations to fit your world views... The share fact that you need to tap dance all over the place to "explain" what firmament is should be quite clear confirmation that your bible isint that clear about things as you think it is.
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@derekgreene7436
"How did they get the buggy they were driving on the moon."
Got from local home depo on moon, duh...
"Not one piece of footage of earth turning mate!!"
? Earth makes 1 rotation every 24 hours. You want to observe that rotation in a live video?... Will repeat: 24 hours results into 1 rotation
"Look, we cant trust NASA in my opinion"
Who cares? In both cases, who cares what NASA says and who cares what is your personal opinion? Earth is still a globe independent of you or NASA. Moon landing still happened independent of NASA or your personal opinion.
"But the video is making people out to be idiots"
No, people make themselves look like an idiots, video just shows them behave like one.
"and been ridiculed for having an opinion"
Making active claim that earth is flat is not just an opinion
"Einstein admitted all his theories are not fact"
And?
"theres people who teach in colleges who believe the earth could in fact be flat"
Then they should loose their jobs for doing that, actively promoting fantasy as reality should not be allowed in educational institutions.
"With all the facts we have I think its flat"
What facts? Basic observation of sun have 4 facts which match globe model 100% and missmatch flat one on same 100%. So what facts do you have to prove that earth is flat? And to me extremely clear here as i have seen this countless times by now, disproving globe will not prove flat one, if you want to prove that earth is flat, prove that earth is flat, avoid making claims that earth is not a globe, that will not prove that it is flat. And especially avoid bringing terribly irrelevant things like NASA, goverment or moon landing...
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@pepperdeez
". The fool is you for thinking it's a fact and saying it's a fact because it's "the best" explanation we have..."
You need to learn how to read here. What i said is that Big Bang is currently best explanation based on a currently known facts, like the fact that universe is expanding or Cosmic Microwave Background radiation or few other things. Those are facts, Big Bang is an explanation based on those facts, it could still be shown to be incorrect at some point, but currently its a best explanation we have.
So again, learn to read instead of making your own shit.
"It is on you to jot believe in God and to believe there was a big bang"
Yet one is just a claim and the other is based on evidence and facts... Which is more reasonable? And on top of that, having big bang doesn't disprove god, so you can have both or none of those...
"Maybe really look into it and understand the entire theory and look through all the "evidence".
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I did, did you? And at worst you would point out issues with Big Bang, maybe even disprove it entirely, but you know what you will not achieve? You will not prove that god is real... Disproving X will not prove Y by default...
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@somethingelse9535
LFP isint Hydrogen, that's like the main point here, its quite different from any other technology and requires specific infrastructure. To give some numbers here, one hydrogen station costs around 1million to build, while one BEV charging station and be 100k or even 50k, that's not even including actual maintenance costs which would be enormous due to hydrogen being extremely corrosive, like, heck, Hydrogen cars have literal expiration dates written on their tanks, which is around 5 years due to hydrogen embrittlement. It only sounds cool on paper, but when you start to dive deeper you realize how unviable this option actually is.
And, have you seen existing hydrogen cars which can do 400 miles? Tiny back seat, HUGE middle column, tiny trunk. Why? Because you need 3 huge tanks to get this range, this will basically never change as you can't really go any higher on pressure and you can't fit more tanks (not that you even want to have 3 of them to begin with), so its not scalable and not practical.
Price would drop, slightly, but not much. There are hydrogen cars which gives you like 15k free hydrogen refueling, but it's not because its really cheap to refuel and manufacturers can actually provide it, but because no one wants hydrogen cars and that 15k will quickly run out and you will start paying crap ton of money to make basic trips.
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@josephscott6642
"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "
"Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) "
""He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)""
""He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)""
""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)""
""that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)""
""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)""
Issue with that book of fables is that you can have any interpretation you want from same exact sentence. Like for example you would say that "circle" means that it said that earth is round, while definition of circle indicates flat disk. I have seen flat earther and not using same exact verse to "prove" their point...
And no, bible doesn't contain any useful scientific data which could not be known at that time. I dare you to present any verse which provided actual information about reality which cant have more than one interpretation. Lets see with what you will came up here.
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@Franckiefresh
Interestingly enough hydrogen cars are NOT lighter than BEV's, they are either similar weight or even heavier. We have couple hydrogen fuel cell cars accessible for common people, you can verify their weight and compare to BEV. While yes, batteries are smaller, but you still need them, on top of needing fuel cell engine and multiple high pressure tanks. This introduces way more failure points and increases maintenance cost exponentially as you will NEED to replace fuel tanks and fuel cell itself on regular basis, there is leterral expiration date printed on each tank.
Brakes are not relevant, heck, most BEV's are still driving around with their original breaks due to basic regenerative braking which slows down vehicle without using brakes at all. Same thing can apply for hydrogen cars too, as those could use their electric motors to generate electricity and store it in a battery.
I could maybe agree that there is issue with tires being worn out quicker with heavier cars, but again, hydrogen cars are not lighter, so that same issue applies to those. On top of this, BEV's are getting quite nice improvements over the years which increases range or makes them lighter, with hydrogen cars you can't really trim anything anymore.
How is having dedicated extremely expensive to build and maintain station is simpler than just having electricity? To build one hydrogen station costs around 1milllion bucks, to build one BEV recharging station costs around 50k, this doesn't include the fact that ANY wall socket could be used as charging point, it could be slow, but you can always do it over night while you sleep.
And yes, you do need to be connected to the grid to refuel hydrogen car, or you would need to have hydrogen generators to create electricity for the pumps which could properly pump all that hydrogen into your car. Why does it look like you think that hydrogen is in some liquid form you could refill your car from a can or something?
And yes, you are wrong, nothing to bad with that, as its quite common to see people who thinks that hydrogen is the best solution ever and yet never bothered to actually look into, I was in similar position, but then I went on a research trip, more I looked into it less sense it made to have it as viable option, because its not. There is simply too many issues relating to it, especially when we already have BEV's as way better alternative. Hydrogen cars might have worked out if those started like 20-30 years ago, but its too late now, hydrogen ir worse option than BEV's and due to how fast those spreading is only confirms that hydrogen is dead on arrival.
When it comes to hydrogen conversion to electricity, its not variable and it takes some time to ramp up, aka its not instant. You could imagine it as a turbo in your regular car, it just needs some time to kick in, and it has its own limits too. So best solution and more logical would be to just have a battery which could be constantly charged to some level which could then be used as power source for instant power on top of the current you can get from fuel cell itself. Like I said, its BEV with extra steps, instead of having big battery you will have small one which gets charged with hydrogen to have that buffer of power when you need it.
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@Franckiefresh
If hydrogen actually worked I would be first in line to promote it, fuel from water sounds amazing, on paper... But then you start looking into it and it just falls apart so quickly that its insane how much propaganda being spread about it being second coming of Jesus or something...
That said, hydrogen could still have its niche, it could be used relatively economically on bigger equipment, like ships, planes, maybe even trains. Basically anything what doesn't care about extra space needed and can have its own dedicated refueling stations and its own dedicated maintenance groups. So basically everything else what isn't personal use equipment. Atleast with current technologies of batteries, if those gets better then it will not make any sense to use hydrogen anywhere else at all.
When it comes to BEV batteries, neat thing about those is that you can recycle around 97% (with current technology) of their materials, and funny enough in some instances those refined materials are even better quality than it was originally as those went over additional refining process. Point being that once you mined those materials you can keep reusing over and over again. And on top of this, new batteries chemistries are coming out each year and its usually the ones using less of limited minerals. Who knows what will happen with battery technology in another decade, it already going wild with dozens new promising battery technologies being tested in labs.
You can look into carbon nanotube batteries, those are extremely good, issue is with basic production scalability, basically we know how to make those, but we have no idea how to scale their production to make any economical sense, atleast not yet.
For power grid, another interesting note for you to keep in mind. You will need around 60% MORE electricity to drive your car if you used hydrogen. Why? Because hydrogen needs to be produced, it needs to be transported, it needs to be stored, then put into your cars tank, then converted back to electricity. So you are loosing big chunk of that. So if you want to say that grid will not keep up with BEV's then there is no chance when it comes to hydrogen cars. On top of this, grid expands based on demand, this was the case as long as we had electricity in general. What you referring too is some people creating strawman from a claim that if magically entire planet switches to BEV then electrical grid will not be able to handle it, well, switching to BEV's will take decades even if we really tried hard to do it, there is more than plenty of time for electrical grid to adapt.
For bigger equipment, I don't know myself how feasible it would be to have them as pure BEV's, doesn't really look like it could work with current battery technology, but it can easily change tomorrow.
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@MrWyzdum
Lambo is a brand, not definition of what that car is capable of... You shot your your foot here with your analogy. There is literally a tiny slow tractor made by Lamborghini. What you tried to say here is that we, as generic human, associate car brand as "Lamborghini" with super cars, doesn't really mean that this brand only makes super cars, does it?
By the way, did you know that our sun is a star? So if Elon launches starship to the sun, would you then agree that it's a starship?
Why are you even so fixated on the name? You might be new here, but Elon likes weird goofy names, he literally wanted car line up with letters which spell "SEXY" tho Model E was copyrighted by someone, so he had to change that to Model 3. Similar thing happen with his optimus naming...
What name would you give to it? As it will be passengers carrying spaceship, should it be just called "spaceship"? People can't use more interesting names? Its not permitted under your watch?
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@nightshade7240
"How many passengers has it carried anywhere?"
? Is this even serious question? Do you not understand what "TEST" means in "Test flight"? Do you seriously want for SpaceX to have few humans onboard just for shits and giggles while they push starship to its limits?... Like, how desperate are you here to grasp such silly straws like that?
"How many stars has it visited?"
How many brain doctors have you visited? Och none? Well that explains it.
"For a spaceship to be a spaceship, it has to actually go into space"
And it did, multiple times. Space starts at 100km altitude, starship reached over 200km, that's 2x the amount needed to count as reaching space. So it's a spaceship.
Feeling silly yet?
"Technically it has to go into outer space"
Technically it needs to reach space to be, well, in space... You do know how words work, right?
"Lamborghini never claimed to only make super cars"
It wasn't my analogy to claim that... You can't read? It wasn't me who used label "Lamborghini" to mean supercar by default, I was saying that "Lamborghini" makes other things than just supercars, so to use that label is wrong, as you have things like tractors made by Lamborghini.
Like seriously, you either can't read or you see what you want to see. As you generic Musk hater and worshiper of TF duno which is more likely to be the case, maybe both at same time.
"The name is part of the con"
To name a thing with cool sounding name is a con?... I guess in your world he should have called most powerful rocket ever built a "steel can" just to satisfy your personal weird fetish.
You people are funny, keep going, I like to have nice laugh.
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@allthatyoutouch3164
Earth is a globe, simple fact. Honest people tend to admit when they are shown to be wrong, science tends to correct itself due to how it works, but in most cases science isint wrong, its just gets more accurate over time. For example, if you have a stick to measure distance and you got 50 stick length for something, thats accurate by using this stick, time passes and we geet better way to measure distance, like actual standard which can get you to 1cm accuracy, ou measure it and you get 55 meters, cool, now new improvement and you can get to millimeter accuracy, you measure it again and you get 54 meters 98cm and 56mm. Would this make previous answers incorrect? No, new one is only more accurate even if those dont really match.
Same thing happens with quite few things in science, like age of earth, while it did change, small amount, its getting more and more accurate due to new available information and better tools we have.
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@robertpunu7624
"the working model is the polar azimuthal equidistant map"
Yet we asked for working model... So lets check yours, Australia, width shown on that map doesn't match reality. Why is that? And as it doesn't match reality, its not a working model. And FYI map is not a model of earth, its a map... Which is not even accurate... So try again.
"this map is in the White House Situation Room"
Maybe because having a globe would make only one side visible and it would take quite allot of space?...
"and in the ancient world..."
Yes, ancient... That time when people known shit about world...
"how can observing the sun disprove the flat earth?"
Sunset. Only possible on earth with curvature. None changing perceived sun size. None changing perceived sun movement speed. Perceived sun movement in a straight line across sky. All four matches Blone model 100% and fails 100% on flat one. Why is that?
"I don't believe the earth is flat because the internet said so"
Yet you best "evidence" was flat globe representation in WH... Yea, riiight...
"but because of the overwhelming evidence brought about by scientific research"
Like what? Flat earthers like to mention science or scientific research, but every single time they present that its not even close to be scientific...
" which are not publish by the ''scientific community"
Maybe because they are bollocks? have you ever considered that?
"scriptures in the Bible and the Quran"
Och... Right.... Completely forgot, earth is flat because book said so... Sorrrryyyyy.... Not internet, it was a book...
"so use your critical thinking and don't be easily led astray, like sheep."
Correct, so why do you behave like a sheep and follow blindly what some ancient book says without ever actually thinking about it? Explain to all of us why sun doesnt change perceived size throw day while it should in your world view. Why it moves in straight line? How is sunset possible over flat surface? None of that makes any sense o flat earth, none. Yet you are here saying that you have scientific research... No, you dont, you dont even know what science is if you trying to claim that ....
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@robertpunu7624
"Australia in the map matches reality or as close as possible, but in what way doesn't it match reality? "
Width. By flat earth map Australia should be allot wider than it is in reality. Quite simple.
"it shows it better than a globe would"
False again. BY globe model Australia size matches perfectly to actual size.
"compare the actual airline plane's flight paths on a globe to that of the flat earth map"
Actual flight paths? So you want to say that when you change flight path to something you want it to be then its matches something you claimed to be true?... Isint that convenient?... And no, flight paths makes no sense if earth was flat. But it does make sense if its a globe and flight paths got projected on a flat surface. This is why you have those arcs in flight paths while plane flies from point A to point B in a straight line.
"they could show the globe in 3D graphics on a flat screen, regardless of the size"
Yes... But why should they? That map is not made to used for war purposes or something, its just for decoration... If they need to plan something which requires actual globe, then they will use a PC for that...
"Since the 600s AD, scholars have supported that view, and by the Early Middle Ages (700–1500 AD), virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint."
I think it was 3 century BCE and not 5th... But well, doesn't really make any difference here. People thought that earth is flat because it looked like one until some one which geometry knowledge realized that it cant be flat due to multiple things. Proved that and it became settled thing. This is how science works. While flat earth was not based on science, but just on personal feelings and opinions.
"According to Stephen Jay Gould"
According to me, i dont give a flying f**k what some one said... If you want to make argument from authority as evidence that earth is flat, we are done here. You clearly have no idea what counts as evidence and why using logical fallacies wastes allot of time...
"the sun goes into the horizon and disappear from your sight just like when you see a railroad track, as it goes further away from you"
False again... Can you get one thing correctly here?... Railroads don't disappear, they getting to small for you to see them. They will only disappear if they go over horizon. Sun on another hand doesn't change size, which is in contradiction to your rail road analogy, and disappears over horizon bottoms up, which matches globe model 100%. So ether you have no idea what perspective is or you never observed sunset or both... Stop acting so ignorant, read a book about perspective or something...
"it's how your vision works, it's because of perspective. "
False again... Objects become too small for YOU to see them, but you could still bring some of them back with a zoom. But... ALL objects on earths surface have set hard limit how far you can see them before they start disappearing bottoms up. This is proof of curvature 101. Your failure to understand geometry is astounding... Sun doesn't disappear due to perspective, its been hidden behind curvature... Which is observable fact.
Article like this explains why you are fundamentally wrong on all possible levels
https://flatearth.ws/sun-apparent-size
" yes, its in the internet, so what?"
So what? You blindly believe what internet says instead of doing some basic experiments by yourself to get to correct conclusion... Something is true/false not only because internet said so... And blindly believing that earth is flat because internet said it will not get you far in life.
"the visual evidence for it is still better than any ''peer reviewed paper'' from incorrect modern day scientist. "
First of all, you have no visual evidence for flat earth, but we do have visual evidence for globe one. Like that link with sun size. Second, peer reviewed papers are exponentially more trust worthy source than random article on random web page which says that earth is flat because it looks like one... Do you even know how peer review works?...
"and what makes the evidence presented by flat earthers not scientific? "
Because they are not scientific?... Because they are not using scientific methods? Because they are not based on science?... Because they are demonstrably false?...
"because you can't accept anything that would shatter everything you've been taught since kindergarten. "
Talking from personal experience? As you literally cant accept something what would shatter your world view even tho i'm showing facts into your face.
"not accepted maybe because modern scientist refuse to let go of their religion of the heliocentric model that's found in the Jewish Kabbalah."
or maybe because its actually true?... its like you expecting something different in case it was actually true... How would scientists behave if heliocentric model was actually true by you? Like how would that be different?
"why the quick capitulation?"
Maybe because its demonstrable reality? Anyone with any capability to understand geometry realizes that you cant argue against globe earth model... Which actually exposes some issues with you...
" the scriptures in the bible and the Quran just proves that the religious view has proof of the flat earth"
False again... What some ancient books says are irrelevant. We know that earth is globe not because some book said so, but because its verifiable fact from reality.
"observable and repeatable= Known and, Known= ''science''. all else invites deception. "
Well correct... Strangelly... Tho on that note, earth is observable to be a globe, repeatable experiments and observations. So we know that earth is a globe, you dont know that, so by your own words, you are not using science and you invited deception into your world.
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@robertpunu7624
"I go where the evidence leads me"
Issue is with your "evidence".
"and exactly how do you know what the real shape of Australia is? from a globe?"
? Go and measure it... Width... Compare to globe and flat earth map, what you got in reality and what you should get by those maps.... One of them are bonkers, make a wild guess which one... Its direct scientific experiment anyone can go and compare results with both model claims. Easy. But it always results into 1:0 for the globe.
"from CGI images from a satellite?"
Cant remember if i asked you this already, but lets try. As dozens of other flat earthers failure to answer to this simple question, will ask you: What method you are using to determine that photo X is CGI and photo Y is not?
Be the first one from dozens who i asked and none of them managed to answer! Do it!
"but you've already judge my video as nonsensical without seeing i"
Should we watch a video which is 3 hour long proving that magical space pixies farting out universes after eating hot tacos are real?... Especially when i know that earth is not flat due to basic observation of sun. Unless your video provides evidence that reality is not real, then you might have a valid point here, otherwise your video is bollocks. You literally would need for magic to be real for flat earth to be real at this point... So why should i waste 90 minutes of my life on claims i cant bet i already heard dozens of times?
"which means you don't want your worldview challenged"
I want to know what is true, challenging it with nonsensical claims is waste of time. You can challenge about belief of god, atleast that one cant be proven to be false and never was proven to be true. So we could talk about that. But when it comes to the shape of earth, there is no real debate here, we are here to educate ignorant people like you about reality.
"I don't want to provide timestamps because there are a lot of convincing proofs on the video that I want people to see"
So you dont care to defend your point?... So if i will provide links to 5 000 scientific papers which contain 500 pages each and will say that you need to read them all and it will prove that earth is globe, would you? Will you want to be challenged on your world view like you want me to be? Will you spend months o reading pages after pages after pages?
"and I still don't get what these ''observations from reality'' that would prove the earth is a spinning ball is, that spins faster than a bullet flies, I might add."
Learn to walk before you try to run. First thing you need to learn is how to determine shape of earth. After we establish that earth is a globe, we will talk about earths spin and all that jazz.
So, first step for you: learn what perspective is and why it DOESN'T explain sunset.
After you understand this point we will move slightly further, after like 50 steps we will talk about earth spin.
So yea, learn to walk before you try to run.
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@ephesianarmorytchannel6838
"All the sky, not the ground, thus, literally, no ground for discussion relating to the earth."
Duno if you are just trolling or are you actually so ignorant. Sunsets are only possible with help of ground... Its combination of sun and ground, more accurately, curved ground, which shows that earth is not flat.
This is some really low grade attempt to reject my point. Nice try, but you failed, miserably.
"Tides are not curved water"
Tides are literally curved water... If you have risd water level in one place and dropped one in another place, you will have curve... Its just basic thing that I have no idea what you even trying to achieve here with such silly arguments.
"Oh you can feel change in motion."
Yes, change in it, not actual motion itself.
"Rotation and orbit are both change in motion, as they are not linear travelling, thus why those planes and trains arguments fail for the globe."
Rotation is not change in motion, earth never stop or changes it rotation speed, it remains constant, so you will never feel that motion. Same thing with orbit, nothing changes there, its always at same speed. So once again, colossal failure.
"If you turn while you throw something up, it will immediately deviate, and nothing ever does. "
Does this same rule apply if you throw up a ball inside plane going at 900km/h? Nope. Why not? And once again... Use your own silly experiment rules, throw something up and do rotation at 1 in 24 hours and lets see how far will you get before this thing falls down.
"So you cant show me curved water, you just claim the thing being questioned, cant do that."
Tides, I did showed that, if you cant even grasp that basic reality, then you seriously are too ignorant to have any decent conversation with or you just trying to troll here be pretending to be as ignorant as that.
"Perspective and shrinking objects work fine for a flat earth"
Sun doesn't change perceived size even tho it should on flat earth "model" so no, it doesn't work on flatardia.
"Evidence for flat earth is from empirical methodological science."
And yet 99.9% of scientists are not flat earthers. Sooo... Ether majority of scientists are terrible at their job or you are fundamentally incorrect here. Which option is more likely to be true?
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@pavlo_herasymchuk
You seam to be new here, so will drop few verses for you to think about.
"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "
"Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) "
""He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)""
""He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)""
""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)""
""that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)""
""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)""
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@Otome_chan311
"If an organization lies, then it is not a reputable organization."
Organization is made of multiple people while at same time those people change over time and at same time, organizations usually make quite a few statements from which you can have some incorrect. After all this you will need to determine if people who made that claim knew that it was incorrect or not.
"Academia lies time and time again. Media lies over and over. Governments lie constantly."
And all of those are made from people. So people lie over and over again. So are you a liar?
"So why wouldn't they lie about something like the shape of the earth?"
Why would they? Especially when shape of the earth is a factual spherical one?
"But the fact that we even had to pause and wonder"
You can and you should pause and wonder on every claim. Issue is not with that, issue is with you deciding that everything what government says is a lie, that's the issue. Everyone lies, one less one more. But to simply scream that government always lie is just silly.
"just look at all these people who genuinely believe that "gender identity" is a thing"
Och for f**k sake... Why do you keep bringing that one up?... Who cares... Its like you are trying to use one thing to prove that another unrelated is relevant to the topic...
"People assert a lot of things about history simply because they were told it by an authority figure"
History is hard to fact check, so somethings NEED to be taken on its word, if its some sort of authority, then well, its better to take word of authority then word of Bob from 3a apartment.
"But since authority figures have declared we should worry and pass restrictive laws and declared that viruses now work in a new way, they change it all up and everyone falls in line"
So i guess you have scientific papers showing otherwise then? I mean, i'm always for the facts, so present your facts and we can go with that. Can you? Because now you are trying to make a claim that entire world governments decided to screw up economies of their countries for no reason at all. Why? What would be the point in doing so? And how the hell every single government agreed with this move?
"I find more often than not, when someone declares that their belief is based in "science" what they really mean is that they blindly accepted what an authority figure told them"
So by your logic we should not believe anything what some one says and we should only believe what we can personally test? So, is Australia real? Yes? No? Have you ever been there? No? So you are trusting authority that it is real?...
There is a point where you need to go with experts instead of starting to fact check every single tiny detail. You will spend your entire life fact checking and you will get like 1% of everything we know now by doing so... That just pointless...
Create base line for your knowledge, have basic understanding of reality, how it works and so on, and then when you see claim like "Earth is pancake" you can quite quickly realize how little sense this claim makes based on huge amount of other things which would not allow this pancake thing to exist in actual reality. Just the fact that you stopped to consider that flat earth could be possible exposes issue with your lack of knowledge in how world works.
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Nancy Falcon
" I am a believer, so it seems odd to me that an atheist would use the phrase "better angels" or inner demons""
Like i mentioned from before, things like that are used just because its something they have been using for long time while they believed in that or because everyone around them uses those expressions.
In general you could have atheist who believes in angels and demons, those are not dependent on god's existence. Being an atheist only means that you dont believe that there is a god, anything else is not atheism.
"but am not sure that most would have ever considered themselves actual believers"
Would recommend you to avoid using such claims. There are current atheists who have been actual preachers, people who actually went and tried to spread all that mythology as fact. I was indoctrinated into believing that god is real, because i was only a child... That faded out more and more with each year and eventually i simply stopped even thinking about it, for couple years i had nothing todo with religions, then i find some videos about religions and atheism, after watching couple of those realized that i'm not a believer, and wrongly labeled myself "agnostic". I wasn't only agnostic, i was agnostic atheist. Even tho i cant personally call myself as some ex true believer, as i never actually believed in that, i still use those expressions from time too time, not because i actually believe that god is real or trying to mock that he is not, its only an expression i use in particular situations.
"The use of these phrases strikes me as intellectually inconsistent"
Then dont use anecdotal evidence....
"I personally try not use common phrases that are inconsistent with my beliefs"
They are common... You answered yourself.
"For example, I do not ever say "Good luck.""
Why not? Does it have some strange meaning to you?
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@davidspencer7254
OP talked about people like you going and attacking Musk instead of companies, then you made a comment attacking Musk and not a company, so you proved his point. What else do you want to hear here?
On top of this, will provide educate, free for you, as you clearly need it. Starship development isn't funded by taxpayer money, shocker, I know, if you been less of a boot licker here you would have actually looked it up and fact checked, but nope, you wanted to be embarrassed on public platform...
On top of this, the fact that you even try to compare starship to 1950 only shows how little to NOTHING you actually understand here on how vastly different those rockets are.
So yea, you proved OP's point here and we thank you for that.
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@sammydark9
"What good has space travel and NASA..."
Still with red hearing fallacies?... You keep changing subject at moment some one shows you fundamentally wrong... Its like you desperately trying to find atleast one thing you can use and claim victory while ignoring 100 times you failed...
To answer your ignorant question, couple inventions by NASA: Camera phones, Scratch resistant lenses, CAT Scans, LED's, Land Mine Removal, Athletic shoes, foil blankets, water purification system, dust busters, ear thermometers, home insulation, the jaws of life (tool, used bi firefighters, usually) wireless headset, memory foam, freeze dried food, adjustable smoke detector, baby formula, artificial limbs, computer mouse, portable computer...
How many things from this list you are using in your daily life? Quite few, isint it? So yea, again, you have been shown to be fundamentally wrong, so go, change subject again, we will happily show you wrong again.
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@sammydark9
"Ships disappear unless you use a camera or a pair of binoculars, they come back"
Do you try to look ignorant or this your natural behavior?...
I'm not talking about ships becoming smaller then you could see, i'm talking about ships literally disappearing bottoms up over the horizon... You ether trying intentionally twist my point to some straw man or you seriously have no idea what you are talking here.
Go to google, enter "ships over horizon" and try to understand difference between ships become to small for you to see and ship actually disappearing bottoms up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSMRhTPMSfk
Video for you, its short one and demonstrates you being fundamentally ignorant and wrong about reality.
"You said it, bored of getting my ass whooped"
Then stop making ignorant claims and you might not be whooped next time...
"Just keep believing spoon fed theories as facts, I'll keep living in my fantasy land"
You have no idea how ironic this one sounds from some one who thinks that we live on a pancake because some one said to him that we do... Your fantasy land contradicts reality and we demonstrated that over and over and over again, your willingness to keep this fantasy only proves that its you who got brainwashed as you dont care what is true, you simply want your fantasy to be real even after your failure to prove that it is real and especially after we showed that you are wrong.
So yea, you have right for your own opinion, you have no right for your own facts.
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@sammydark9
"I never said we live on a pancake"
Yet your every single argument and objection is copy/paste from any generic flat earther...
"I just don't know"
its called: Willing ignorance
" and I question people who think they know"
Cool, you questioned, you failed, multiple times, yet you still think that you are correct here in continuing questioning something about reality which is demonstrable... Its not being open minded, you questioning reality itself...
"You literally call me this and that when you know nothing about me"
We know that you are ignorant, you demonstrated that yourself multiple times. What else should we know about you?
"and I know you think about me in your spare time"
Actually i dont, i have multiple conversations in my notification section, everyone gets put into same bucket.
"which must be a lot mate judging by your replies."
? Judging by what exactly? That i'm curious if you are real or just a troll? because i'm curious about quite people i'm having conversation on same flatardian topic, you are just one of many and nothing really special about you.
So yea, you have your fantasy, we have reality and we can end on that note.
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@AMC2283
Would tend to agree, on some level, I would avoid saying that there are no evidence, as even me saying "there is god" would be evidence, it would be extremely weak evidence, but still evidence. Maybe use word proof instead of evidence, or just saying that there isn't sufficient evidence to believe in any of the god(s)
Its nickpicking, I know, but theists will happily jump on your throat and prove you wrong on this statement in no time, they will not prove that god is real, but they will prove that your statement is factually incorrect.
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@merijnhugens
So quick research.
According to an assessment collated by the U.S. Defence Intelligence Agency, Russia has suffered 189,500-223,000 total casualties, including 35,500-43,000 killed in action and 154,000-180,000 wounded.
Ukraine has suffered 124,500-131,000 total casualties, including 15,500-17,500 killed in action and 109,000-113,500 wounded in action, according to the document entitled "Russia/Ukraine - Assessed Combat Sustainability and Attrition."
As many as 354,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured in the Ukraine war which is grinding towards a protracted conflict that may last well beyond 2023, according to a trove of purported U.S. intelligence documents posted online.
All this from routers site. So you basically looked at 350k total number from Russia AND Ukraine and imagined it to be from Ukraine alone... While in reality Ukraine lost half the numbers what Russia did. Do some basic research before you speak on this topic next time...
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@alexishaas7095
It's about fundamentals of laws of physics when it comes to hydrogen, you can't just bend those to your will by throwing bunch of money, this is not how it works. Arguably sending robots to Mars or to any planet in our solar system is simpler task than to solve issues relating to hydrogen use as a fuel source.
No idea why you keep mentioning subsidiaries, those have nothing to do with anything here... Once again, it's a fundamental physics issue, not the money issue... You could throw at hydrogen research another 5 bazillion buck's, would hardly have any real impact. And all those oil and gas gets the money because those ALREADY work, hydrogen doesn't. Do you see difference here?
Hydrogen could be used for heavy industry, IF battery technology doesn't improve, but this is highly unlikely based on how fast those keep progressing in recent years without any actual obvious limit being reached yet. We even have extremely good batteries based on graphene, only issue is to solve its mass production, this is where government could throw money at, not hydrogen.
Battery technology is limited by money investment, well, not much by money now, as quite few companies already started to invest crap ton of that, now its limited by basic time put in researching new chemistries and developing new technologies to help with mass production and so on. While hydrogen was done being researched long time ago, and it remains same due to basic laws of physics which you can't break. One of the issues is hydrogen embrittlement due to the FACT that hydrogen is the smallest molecule which will NOT change independent on how much money you throw at it. And no, you can't just bond to something else, as that would defeat entire purpose of it being a fuel as you would need to add energy to the system to once again separate it from the thing you bonded it too, so you will not get net positive energy, it will ALWAYS be in negatives. There are way more issues with hydrogen than this, basically all of them are due to laws of physics you can't resolve without involving magic.
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@fuckingdrummachinez
Irony is strong with you here. We had conversation on different thread, you left 10 comments in a row with 8 of them being "test", so clearly you can leave comments, ignorant one.
Some education time, there is a bug with youtube comment section, if you go to the conversation from notifications you will usually not see all of the comments, no idea why its a thing, no idea why its still a thing, but its there. To see all of them you will need to go that that conversation manually, usually sorting comments by newest first and navigating to that conversation will show all comments correctly, again, no idea why it behaves like that, but its a thing, ignorant one.
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@darthmarr9886
" how can i believe in sonthing, if it never even crossed my minde?"
Exactly, this is why everyone starts with disbelief, this is why you don't believe in Klumpipux.
There is basic saying/rule everyone should follow "Everything doesn't exist until proven to exist", doesn't mean that thing doesn't exist until its proven to exist, it only means that you should live your lives in a way like that thing doesn't exist until someone proves that it does. So you go from disbelief into belief.
"By your logic i eiter believe in everithing i don't know about anything at all or i do even tough i don't know anything about it."
That's not what I sad.
" i don't know that god exists butni known about the concept so i can chose to belive in its existence or not."
And here we go, you are mixing knowledge with beliefs. I don't know if there are aliens out there, but I believe that there are due to share chance value based on how big our universe is. So no knowledge but belief in a thing. Same thing with god, I don't claim to have knowledge that god(s) exist, but I don't believe that they do. So no knowledge and no belief. See how it works? Belief and knowledge are separate things.
"so i can't even chose to believe in itnor not believe in it"
Belief isn't a choice you make, you either believe it or you don't, its basic dichotomy, its either A or not A. You yourself said that you can't believe in something you are not aware of, which means that you lack a belief in a thing you don't have knowledge about by default, so you never choose to not believe in Klumpipux, you simply don't.
"now that i know Klumpilux can exist i can chose to belive in it or reject it"
When did I say that Klumpilux can exist? And once again, belief isn't a choice.
"But to make that decision i need to look more into it."
Cool beans, at the end of the day you will still either believe in Klumpilux or you wont, there won't be a third state when it comes to your beliefs about Klumpilux. So your beliefs will either change from disbelief into belief, or it will remain at disbelief.
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@darthmarr9886
"I don't even read past your 1st argument because you clearly didn't comprehended what I said.."
That's a sure way to discredit yourself here. If you can't even bother to read and then accuse someone of not understanding you, then why even bother having conversation with you?
"I can't believe in the unknowable BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT"
? And this is why you have to actually READ what was actually said and not create your own fantasy land...
I never said this, I never said that you have to believe in a thing which is unknowable, I said the opposite of this... Do you even read?
" how can I pull it out of my hat to belive in a gods existence or not if I never had knowledge about it. "
Because everyone lacks a belief in a thing they are not aware of... Why is this so confusing for you? You never had (still don't) a belief in Klumpipux, even after I made that statement your still lack a belief in one.
Seriously, if you still reading this, what state you were before your heard word "Klumpipux" relating to beliefs? As you can ONLY have a belief or don't have it. Two states, clearly you didn't had a belief in Klumpipux before you even knew about it, so then, question of the century, what was your belief state? What is the alternative to a belief?
"then I can chose to belive in it."
For the third time, beliefs are not a choice you make...
"you can't belive in sonthing if you don't know about it's possibility of existence. The two can not be separated. "
Never said that you can believe in something you don't know about. So with whom are you arguing here?
"That's my point."
And? You literally arguing with someone who isn't here... You are not arguing against anything I said, you just said basically what I said while at same time claiming that I'm wrong... Its so weird...
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@darthmarr9886
"That was the contestants argument too, that since JP dose not know about it he automatically REJECTS it"
First of all, he is a Christian, someone who believes in specific god, so yes, he does reject Lono as it can't be any other way if he want's to be a Christian. Second, I don't need to know everything about 50 000 proposed god's so far to reject them all on a basis that no one managed to present sufficient evidence for their god or even show that god could be explanation for anything here.
If JP knew how to talk in non word salads he would have said that he rejects Lono as its not Christ he believes to be the only god out there, but here we are, word salads it is.
" and yes ofcorse there is third option."
There isn't.
"Once you know about the thing you either belive in it,don't belive in it or you know it exists."
??? Read your own sentence here... Slowly... Notice something weird here... First 2 options is about belief, third was about knowledge... Do you see tiny issue here?
So lets try it again... One more time... You can ONLY have a belief or don't have a belief, this is basic dichotomy, there is no third option. You having knowledge about something is SEPARATE thing which might or might not result in you having a belief in a thing or not having belief in a thing, still only two options when it comes to a belief.
Why is it so hard for you to grasp this basic concept?
"Because English language doesn't have enough variety in words in this specific case to narrow the different meanings down"
Google definition of "dichotomy" and maybe find definitions and differences between "belief" and "knowledge" as clearly you don't understand difference here.
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@darthmarr9886
"It dose not matter if he is cristian or not because the argument is not about Christianity"
But it is about what JP believes, which is Christianity, which gets him to reject all other gods by default, that's how religions work.
There are around 50 000 god claims so far, JP rejects 49 999 of them while accepting one. Or do you think that he accepts all those thousands of god's he doesn't know about?
"He uses "word salads" because without clear definitions of meanings cannot be arguments."
No, he uses word salads because this is what makes him sound intellectual without him actually being one. If I said something like "Although the quintessential facet of my gastronomic predilections inexorably gravitates towards the consummate amalgamation of ambrosial comestibles, my proclivity for the gustatory realm invariably culminates in an unequivocal and unwavering preference for the perennially cherished and time-honored repast commonly denominated as pizza." I would sound like freaking Einstein, but if I said "I like pizza" I would be just generic Joe who likes pizza. In both cases I would be saying same thing, just that in second one everyone would actually understand what I said without them pondering what the hell does "quintessential facet" even mean...
Like some smart dude once said "if you can't explain it simply then you don't understand it well enough"
" we can't narrow down definitions."
But we can... To have a conversation we have to have working definition, while by JP logic we should first of all define word "but", then define "we", then define "can", then define what "we can" means, then ponder about meaning of life for 50 minutes, talk about "gastronomic predilections" and then shift conversation to new topic.
Normal people simply have a conversation and most often used most common definitions of words to avoiding redefining every flipping word to something no one uses.
"You don't understand what I mean and keep missing the point, and I don't understand why you don't understand it. Even if you don't want to admit."
This is exactly my thoughts about your failure to understand difference between beliefs and knowledge.
"knowledge and belife CAN NOT be separated"
That's false, by definition. Those are separate words, one is about beliefs and one is about knowledge, those are mot mutually exclusive, so clearly you don't understand how words work, maybe as you said its a language issue and you think about knowledge and belief to mean same thing in your language or something, hard to say at this point why you fail here.
"it has 3 stages: you either believe or don't, but once you know something you don't belive anymore you just know. That's 3 there."
And still false...
You knowing doesn't eradicate your belief/disbelief... You STILL either believe or don't believe it independent of your knowledge.
Like seriously, what is your understand of word "belief"? In normal reality you can only have two options, you either have a belief or you don't, there is no third option, never was and never will. You either believe in unicorns or you don't, your knowledge about their existence has no impact here, your belief position could change with your acquired knowledge about unicorn existence, but you still either believe in those or you don't
BELIEF and KNOWLEDGE as separate things.
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@darthmarr9886
"Altough i still think he just ties to be as soesific as possibly"
Cool beans that you think that, but there is difference between what you think and what he is actually doing. Intellectual people straight away understand that they can't use jumbo mumbo in a conversations with regular people or in a setting where regular people will be watching, so they know that they need to "dumb" it down and use common words to create as simple sentences as possible. So you either have JP as intellectual who knows jack shit about reality and doesn't understand that making word salads isn't good, aka doesn't really make him intellectual. Or he is doing this intentionally to confuse everyone who is listening to him. The share fact that you can't get any straight forward answer from him on ANY question indicates that its quite likely that his goal here is to just sound smart and take ALL positions at same time. This is why he was unable to accept or deny Lono god, because he can't... That's not how his script works... He never takes a position, he just dances around it with word salads to obfuscate actual topic.
" i mostly understand what he is trying to say or refer to."
And i mostly understand words from my word salad about me liking pizza... Doesn't mean that this is how intellectuals should engage in conversations, even tho my word salad actually had an actual statement where I took a position to make a claim that I like pizza, JP would have talked for 20 minutes about pizza and its toppings without ever agreeing or disagreeing with it while at same time making so much salad that you would drown in it drying to figure out what the f**k is he saying.
"But logicly once you know something or someone exists 100% , thatbis not belife anymore it is knowledge. "
You still have a belief... You failing to understand that belief never just magical disappears...
I have knowledge that earth if a globe, by your logic I should not have a belief that earth is a globe, just a knowledge... Does this mean that I don't believe in it as I lack a belief? Do you see how irrational it sounds? I believe in globe earth and I have knowledge about it.
"But logicly once you know something or someone exists 100%"
There is no such thing as 100%, maybe only for the fact that you exist, as you can't have thoughts without existing.
It sounds more and more like you mixing faith with belief. It is faith when you don't have knowledge about something and faith goes away if you get knowledge/evidence. Even tho you still either have faith or you don't, which is still binary option, there is never third option in between of faith and no faith.
I'm trying to figure out why the hell you are so confused here and why you keep mixing things up here for no good reason.
"Let's say you never met a chiken but you know about them from others or pictures or whatever. So you now belive their existence or don't"
I have knowledge that kangaroos exist, I have never seen one in real life, so I have knowledge and I believe that those exist, both things at same time.
When you have knowledge about something being real and you don't believe it, that's basically being delusional, still an option, but not a healthy one.
"your belife changes into knowing"
You yourself said that belief and knowledge are separate things... Then how the hell can one thing morph into other?
And try to answer to this, when you gain knowledge, do you no longer have a belief in chickens?
" Aftwr that there is no way you still can't belive in chikens existence (logicly, since stuoid people will always exist)."
Exactly, stupid people still exist, which means that you can still have a belief which is in contradiction to your knowledge, which means that those are not dependent on each other.
"So basically two different words with 2 different meanings are related,"
They are related, but not mutually exclusive. Do you know what mutually exclusive means?
"one becomes the other once it is proven."
False. This is not how words work... This is not how any of this works... Go ask ChatGPT if you don't trust me or something. I might be bad at explaining things here.
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@darthmarr9886
"Usually things are more complicated then a simple yes or no"
Yes, but...
Do you see how easy it was? I agreed with you with basic "Yes" and then added "but" where you can dive deeper into that answer. This is how normal humans talk, this is who JP should engage in conversations, not with his word salads which doesn't even answer to a question being asked.
In normal world you will have 99% of questions which can be answered really simply and then if needed expanded on that answer, but when it comes o JP its 99.99% of questions he never answers and just rambles about word definitions and then pivots to new topic.
" Faith and belief in my language is one word and means one thing in any context. "
Yea, quite likely you are thinking about "belief" as replacement for religious faith while "belief" in this context is a "believe" which is just accepting as something being true or false.
But that still has that same issue for you where you can only have a belief or don't have it, there is no third option.
"I guess then "I belive in you" and "i have faith in you" dose not mean the same thing in English"
In this case "I believe" would be more like "I think this is the case", while "I have faith" is just religious excuse used when you don't have evidence for your beliefs. Like if I said "I believe that earth is a globe" you could ask "How do you know that?" I could respond "I have testable repeatable evidence for it", on another hand if I said "I believe that earth is flat" and you asked "what evidence do you have for it?" my response can be "I just take it on faith", which is what religious people do quite often.
"I thought those are just synonyms."
English is more than weird, those are not synonyms, closely related, but different words with different meaning, quite often used interchangeably and its meaning would depend on context. I might have made a mistake by using word "belief" instead of "believe", but just like it is for you English isn't my native language and that "belief" word just sounds more in line what I want to say than to use "believe".
In any case, belief or believe, you can only have it or don't have it, there are no third option here, never was and never will. Just like earth is a globe or its not a globe, two options here, basic dichotomy. Law of the Excluded Middle. Even if earth is in shape of unicorn, its not a third option, it only means that earth is not a globe. So you either have a "belief/believe" or you don't, what you know is separate and independent thing which doesn't impact your "belief/believe" state, its A or not A.
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@TheCarter84
"However, he then goes on to say that it's the result of light refraction, air density, and other factors tricking our minds into seeing something that's not real"
Mirage? Visual illusions? Ever heard about those?
And, there is ALWAYS specific range you can see, it only slightly changes based on atmospheric conditions, but its always in specific range of it, you will NEVER see something 400 miles away while looking from sea level altitude, like NEVER.
"I believe the Earth's curvature calculator should work if the earth is a globe, but it does not"
But it does. Like seriously, it does work, as long as you will properly include observers altitude, observed objects height and atmospheric conditions, it will produce results within margin of error, which is like 1%. Feel free to prove me wrong here by producing video which shows something you should not be able to see based on globe model, just again, a remainder, your calculations NEEDS to include observers altitude, as I have seen to many times people using that stupid 8 inches per squared mile equation telling that we see to far, where this equation is a parabola and doesn't include observers altitude, which is major thing for globe earth model if you want to calculate how far you should be able to see.
"Maybe I'm just untrusting of the whole system like he says, and I am just skeptical about everything I've been taught"
This. And you are not being skeptical, you being paranoid more likely. You can disprove flat earth by simply observing suns behavior from your backyard, no math required, single days observation would be enough to shatter flat pancake world idea. What about sun in particular? It "moves" (actually earth rotates, but its different topic) in straight line. Sun "moves" at constant speed. Sun remains at same exact size (use light filter to actually see its actual size and not its glare). Sunsets/sunrises. Simple 4 things about sun you can observe on your own which matches 100% to the globe and are 100% imposible on flat one. That's it, no lizard people controlled government conspiracy brainwashing doodly do thing needed, just basic observation with your own eyes.
"I'll know for sure when someone actually lands on the moon and sends me a picture that I can verify as legitimate."
We got that in 1969, yet you still don't believe it. So why do you think it would change when we land next time and send 8k 60fps live videos back? Especially when in 1969 things like CGI wasn't even a thing and today we can actually create photorealistic CGI images? Silly flat earthers claimed that videos and photos from the time when CGI term didn't even existed have been CGI, and you want to say that today would be somehow different?... C'mon... We both know that you will not believe that... You just want to be special here who has different opinion from everyone else, nothing more.
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@zedtrek
NATO existence means that we don't need another grouping, we already have one... And NATO borders are being respected due to that same Article 5, if anyone attacks any NATO country, rest of them will join the fight, this is why Putin will not mess with NATO, this is why Putin was afraid of Ukraine joining NATO, this is why Putin is scared of any countries joining NATO, because this makes every country as one big defense alliance which can't be easily attacked.
Russia and China are dictatorships, luckily for us Russia and China doesn't have actual friendly relationships. At same time, both of these countries are only attacking countries which don't belong to any alliance an seamingly have multiple times smaller military capabilities.
No idea what Trump has todo with anything here. If Trump becomes president and somehow manages to get US from NATO... Ok... Like, what can you do about it? Creating another alliance? Why? NATO is a thing already... With or without US, its the strongest alliance at the moment.
Europe is independent... Your entire argument is just... Weird... Again, you are trying to say that Europe needs to defend itself with some sort of defense aliance because US could leave NATO and Europe should create new alianse when we already have one... Like... What is your actual argument here? NATO has bunch of countries, including US, what better alliance can you dream in creating?
Europe has its own laws and its own rules, US has no actual impact here. Can you give actual examples where US had impact in affecting negatively Europe?
We as NATO countries are not vulnerable, ESPECIALLY after Ukraine/Russia war which demonstrated that so called 2nd strongest army in the world failed to conquer a country which should have fallen in 3 days. This war showed how weak enemy is and how strong NATO can be. Heck, NATO countries give out like a less than 1% of its military equipment to Ukraine and still it was enough to kick Russian butt's. If Russia started war with NATO then war would end in 3 days, but not in Russian favor. Biggest slowdown would be military equipment transportation to front lines, but after that it would be straight march to Moscow.
Diplomatic solution was made in 1991, Russia broke that one. What else are you suggesting here? Diplomacy ended when Russia attacked. You do not negotiate with terrorists... its like having someone breaking into your house and you like "Well, lets negotiate, you can take this TV of mine, but you should leave PlayStation. Is that ok for you? Should we talk about alternatives?" No... You are not negotiating with criminals...
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@s.c.6157
"but I don't see people helping others in undeveloped countries"
First of all, they do. Second and main thing, there is huge difference between simply educating some one across entire world on internet which costs you basically nothing and actually going to a country to some remote village, learning their language and trying to convince them that they need to know why earth is a globe and why earth rotates around sun. One of those actions requires allot more time and money.
" but to survive,they die constantly hungry,sick.."
Yes, and educating people in those areas could help out with finding food or curing diseases.
"there are some much worse things in the world then lacking some classes of geometry..."
And? Should we ignore every single issue in the world and concentrate in one biggest one? Because in that case we will have quite few issues in not time... Like "Och my house have been flooded by bursted pipe, well who cares, children in africa starving, lets ignore this issue and concentrate on more important one"... Well you could do that, but you will be homeless in no time and its gonna be you who needs help with world view like that...
"first we need to work to end racism,hunger,illnesses,war,discrimination..."
Cool, do that. But ironically enough racism was resolved by educating people that everyone is the same because we all are humans. Hunger can be solved with better knowledge how to make more food. Illness can be cured with knowledge how to do that. War is... Well that one is driven by stupid ideas. Discrimination again, can be solved by educating people. Do you notice pattern here?
"and yet here we are,nothing has changed only evolve in sophisticated slavery..."
Slavery got banned (in most countries), because people got educated on it.
"still lies,wars,and controling the stupid masses..."
Yes, like a flat earth movement... How do you think wars start? From putting 2 groups of people with opposing world views... So if you want to avoid wars, again, educate people.
"I've seen too much bad thing in the world and so little good things..."
Then you need to educate yourself on some basic human psychology where you will only notice bad things while ignoring good ones because bad ones will leave bigger impact on your than good ones. You could witness 100 people sacrificing their lives for others, but if you have seen ONE instance where some one kills some one just because he can, you will think that we are doomed, while in reality this is not the case.
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@d3d952
"the way he described in the video and said that evs are way more efficient"
Because they are... Its a fact that BEV's are more efficient. Direct electricity storage is more efficient than converting it into hydrogen and then converting it back to electricity. Its non debatable fact.
" i have to ask you where the f do evs get the energy ?"
Same place Hydrogen plants gets theirs...
"why haven't you answered my question about Lithium batteries,"
Because battery production has nothing to do with cars efficiency... What you are trying to say here is that battery PRODUCTION creates pollution, ok, cool, we can agree on that one. But at same time you are trying to argue about cars EFFICIENCY, those are not the same thing.
Will explain it simply here. End to end, including everything, from production to recycling, BEV's are still slightly cleaner than hydrogen cars. But BEV's uses around 60% less electricity to drive your same distance in comparison to hydrogen cars, which was your original attempt to complain here.
Hydrogen production uses electricity from same EXACT places BEV's would, difference is that hydrogen cars needs 60% more of that which quickly offsets any benefits you could get by not having all those "dangerous" mines.
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"Where else in daily life do little old ladies or kids talking on their cell phones attach/detach 150 amp circuits with arc-drawing 500 volts behind them?"
Its not like charger keeps supplying 150 amps when you disconnect... How much it carries have no actual impact here. Current stops at the moment you disconnect, its not like you have actual live connectors while you carrying it to and from car charging port...
"What matters is the person manipulating the charging plug in a blinding rain storm isn't found dead on the pavement from electrocution as a result of using it."
Ok, and which plug increases chances of that happening? Your point is mute here...
"The CCS plug is physically larger because it offers greater arc tracking space and reduces the likelihood of an arc-over event."
No, CCS plug is physically larger because it was made that way. Its quick slam on existing thing to get new functionality. Best example would be USB-B Micro superspeed connector. You had existing one and then you just add extra stuff on it to increase its capabilities. Tesla uses same wires for AC and DC, while CCS added additional connector to existing to have AC and DC wires. And clearly Tesla managed to prevent arcing with their connector without any troubles here. Have you ever heard of reports about arcing with Tesla connectors?
"The Tesla plug's design has a much smaller grounding pin than its supply pins, a no-no in high voltage/high power system design."
"Weirdly" enough this "unsafe" connector passed safety checks.
"There was no legal barrier to the CCS committee adopting a smaller lighter plug like Tesla"
No legal barrier, yes, doesn't mean that they had any interest in making one. Why do you need plug with separate wires for AC/DC when you could have same ones?
"and more than 100 years of engineering practices to be considered"
Yes... Old tech... This is why Tesla reinvented plug instead of using 100 year old engineering practices...
Do you have like real point here? Or like actual reports from someone actually testing this and confirming that Tesla plugs are less safe or anything?
Some basic googling here CCS can handle around 350kw while Tesla plug should handle around 900kw, so weirdly enough Tesla not only made smaller plug, but it can output more current, so clearly Tesla invested more time and money in their plug than CCS board meeting managed.
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@bafumat
"dude they said there would be an ice age before 1990. In the 70's"
No idea what you are talking about here. 20 years for ice age to happen? Which dumb ass scientist would make such claim? You need to be a moron to think that ice age could happen in 20 years... Like literally, a moron... So can you provide citation?
" Al Gore and his buddies cooked numbers, removed data from certain years, and told out and out lies to get this Global warming train rolling"
What numbers? Are you saying that by all current data from todays world you cant see pattern that we have warming climate? Is this your claim?
"They started preaching about a hole in the ozone layer."
Yes, and there was one, we stopped using chemicals which makes it worst and due to this it healed over time. Its like nothing can make you happy... I guess we should have went extinct for you to be happy or something...
"But they never show a picture of the ozone layer when it was whole"
? What? Picture of ozone?... Ozone is not visible by cameras... What are you talking about?
"This shit makes money. A lot of it"
What shit? To say that current aerosol products cant be used anymore and we need to come up with new ones? That costed allot of money for manufacturer's and not for customer.
"One could have assumed it was always there just as easily but that wouldn't have paid for any mansions"
How deep are you into conspiracies?... You seriously think that scientists across entire world decided to make this conspiracy just so that some few guys could build few mansions?... Ozone and global warming is not a claim made by single institution, its made by like 99.9% of experts from entire world.
"Mankind's actual contribution to total greenhouse gas in negligible at best"
Experts disagree with your personal opinion. Why?
"You are obviously sheeple"
You talk like a flat earther... Are you?
But like seriously, i always wonder why people like you even exist. Lets assume that global warming is not real, lets just ignore reality and say that its a lie. Now, lets think about what actions we are being "forced" to perform to battle none existing global warming? We are forced to use CLEANER energy sources, cleaner cars... And you think that this is conspiracy which needs to be demolished because some one wants to have cleaner air to breath?... C'mon... How dense are you? If you want a conspiracy then look at oil companies, coal companies and anything what contributes to pollution who fights against anything providing better alternatives like electrical cars. On top of this, due to recent pandemic you should have noticed how much cleaner air have gotten in most polluted cities in the world. This is what you can get by transitioning to cleaner energy sources, yet you are here claiming that its conspiracy because some one wants a mansion... Jebus... Get your head out of conspiracy ass and look around.
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So much wrong in your comment...
"Don't compare hydrogen to electricity"
Hydrogen gets converted to electricity which then gets used to turn same electrical motors.
"Batteries are dangerous and toxic"
Then we can solve this problem with a sticker "Do not eat"
"Batteries require rare earth metals"
Some do, some don't and more new battery technologies come out every year. So its a mute argument.
"These batteries will need to be recycled for these metals and there is currently no way to do that"
There are dozens of companies which recycle old BEV batteries and more are coming out... Have you been living under the rock?
"Mining rare earth metals is an environmental and humanitarian disaster."
Just like producing Hydrogen... You will need 60% more energy to drive your car same distance, not even talking about environmental damage in building expensive refueling stations, their maintenance, constant transportation of Hydrogen to those stations and so on.
Hydrogen isint magic, it has its own flaws.
"The cost of creating hydrogen is high because there are no economies of scale"
Because it scales poorly... There is a reason why hydrogen flopped before it started.
"Making hydrogen at each refueling station is ridiculous"
It is, at same time its less ridiculous than to transport it.
"If the state really doesn't need this electrical power, use it to make hydrogen and the cost will be far cheaper."
Or use it to directly power BEV's.
"Hydrogen is a perfect storage solution to bleed off excess electricity"
Not at the moment, there is a reason why you have basically zero companies who uses hydrogen as a storage method for excess energy. Excess energy from solar panels and wind farms is an issue, but no one is using Hydrogen to offset that, why? Because it not viable option.
"Hydrogen is the best solution short term and long term"
Its better solution short term to replace ICE cars, its not the best solution. Best solution is to store energy directly and then reuse it in most efficient way without least power loss during entire process, aka BEV's.
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"Due to our perspective on the ground"
You mean flurspective? Because its definitely not a perspective.In reality, because of perspective objects moving away from you becomes visually smaller, which sun should do it if moves in a circle over circular earth. Right? basic perspective 101. Next, if you have a flat plane and you have object above it, it will NEVER go under its plane... Perspective doesnt hide object behind something... This is not how perspective works, or reality in general...
"the sun moves closer (rise) away (set)"
Yet its not. If sun was moving closer its size would change and its perceived speed would change, not even talking about the fact that it should move in circular motion not in a straight line... So you have 4 issues now: size, speed, movement path and sunset/sunrise. None of those works on flat earth model... All of those works on globe model. So yea, ether you have no understanding what perspective is and you simply repeating what some numbnuts said to you, or you simply trying to troll here. Duno which is worst...
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@avibhagan
"you seem highly uneducated in this topic"
Irony is strong with you.
"we already have hydrogen tanks"
Like... Yes... I could fill balloon from 1 buck store with hydrogen and call it hydrogen tank... Issue isn't with hydrogen tank, issue is with hydrogen embrittlement screwing over that tank...
"The issues have been sorted out and hydrogen resistant liners are OLD tech"
I mean, yea, when you can't achieve anything new and technology stagnates, then yea, it eventually becomes old technology, it still doesn't perform as it should tho. Why do you think that hydrogen tanks have expiration dates printed on them? Could there be some weird reason for it?
"LNG transport is very analogous to Hydrogen"
But its not... You can pipe LNG through pipes, quite simple pipes, while hydrogen would require expensive ceramic coated pipes. Do you see tiny difference?
And your own video indicates that LNG is being chilled to -162C, which is tade shy of -252C hydrogen would need to remain in liquid form, that's a 90 degree difference...
"You do need to cool NG to about -200 C to turn it into liquid"
So you didn't even watched your own video? 20 seconds into video it says -162C... In which reality did you got your magical -200C number?
"We are not trying to liquify Hydrogen."
? Then what are you trying to even say here? It not liquification of hydrogen, then what the hell are you talking about here? What was the point?
"And you stated something which is a logical fallacy"
Och this will be fun. Please, name the logical fallacy and point to an actual sentence I made which was that logical fallacy, I will wait.
"BECAUSE there was not enough DEMAND , it became too expensive to keep the plants running"
I can keep my wall socket available at any notice even if there will be zero users of it, aka demand can be non existing but I can keep it working and available, why? Because it costs nothing for me to achieve it. With hydrogen stations you have constant expenses. Why do you think those are constantly under maintenance? Because those break like hell and that costs money to keep them running with or without customers, heck, with less customers those tend to break less often driving maintenance costs down, but as these are not profitable, cost crap ton to maintain, it just gets shutdown. Hydrogen stations are burning money independent how many uses those.
"THIS is an economic problem, and not a Physics problem"
I mean, sure, if you can burn billions then you could transport hydrogen in tiny canisters by hand... It's a business, its always about economics... Like, its the entire point of it. That said, why do you think that economics doesn't work out so well when it comes to hydrogen? Because of physics... Because of how hard it is to store hydrogen and how much investment you need to put into it, so physics drives your economics, if you could store hydrogen in solid stable chunks, like water is, then your economics would be way better, but now, reality is that physics is a bitch and it makes hydrogen non viable option and extremely expensive by default.
"Hydrogen is STILL BEING PRODUCED , sir. HYDROGEN IS BEING SHIPPED IN TANKS, SIR. HYDROGEN IS BEING USED EVERYDAY ! "
And? Like seriously, and? Did you wanted to make some sort of point here? Someone somewhere will be using hydrogen for rest of human history... Like... Who was even arguing against that? Like, we have cars, but someone still rides a horse... So like, what's your point? I can make some hydrogen with a battery, cup of water and 2 metal plates, what's your point?
"Chemistry labs in the oil sector use hydrogen (and helium) ALL DAY. "
And who cares?... Hydrogen will be useful somewhere and we will keep using it for some specific purposes... No one ever argued against that... Are you now trying to create straw man fallacy and beat that one because you can't beat an actual one? What's going on here?
"The stuff is shipped in steel tanks with plastic liners, at 10,000 PSI."
Cool beans, just like I said... Extreme pressures, works somewhat for bigger applications, doesn't work for smaller ones and doesn't scale economically. What's your point here?
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@avibhagan
Yes, first car was battery powered. But there is HUGE difference here. Battery technology keeps improving without actually limit in sight, while hydrogen technology is limited by basic laws of physics. You can only put that much of it in given area and you can only get that much of energy back from it. There is no magical technological advancement which could improve those aspects. While witn batteries, well, we even have the holy grail battery based on graphene, its clean, its really good at storing energy, charges fast, well basically perfect energy storage, but there is the catch, its extremely complicated to make, so at the moment we simply can't mass produce it and it's only being tested in labs in small quantities.
Now hydrogen remained same from its inception, it might have gotten few % of efficiency here and there, but its negligible, because it his basic limits of the laws of physics.
EV's failed because battery technology wasn't good enough for those to be viable. What was the range of first BEV's? 100 miles? What it is now? 300-500 miles? Thats 3-5x increase, while cost of batteries are dropping rapidly too. These technologies are not comparable.
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@avibhagan
Hydrogen cost is mainly due to its production and its storage/transportation complications. Those can't be resolved, maybe somewhat mitigated and cost could be driven down if you had mass production of things, but for that to happen you would need actual existing supply and demand already existing, but this can't happen without there actually being real demand... But that one will not happen because there is no cheap supply... Chicken and egg issue. Ignoring the fact that hydrogen simply isn't a good idea for passenger cars in general.
Hydrogen cars are not CNG.... You seriously don't know nothing about this topic... First of all, CNG cars are combustion cars, this is already red flag as hydrogen combustion cars are HALF the efficiency of hydrogen fuel cell ones, which means that its non started to have hydrogen combustion cars. Then you get same issue with storage tanks not being compatible, so you have to replace that, we already established that you would need to replace engine with fuel cell... So compatibility is only in a sense that you will have car frame with 4 wheels, that's it... And even then you will struggle to showe in multiple hydrogen tanks just to get decent range. Why do you think Mirai has 3 of those?
" The only difference is that CNG is almost 1/10th the cost of hydrogen. "
Seriously... Do basic google search... You are way way out in the fields on this topic...
"If Hydrogen was a cheap as CNG , then all CNG cars could be replaced by hydrogen immediately."
No... Just no... No chance... Like... NO! Even hydrogen combustion engines need to be made from specialized alloys and use special lubricants made specifically for hydrogen engines... Those are not interchangeable... Never been and never will be. Well, you could use it, for short period of time, then you would need to replace entire engine.
Its like using jet fuel in ICE car, you could technically use it, but it wont be for long.
"Please educate yourself."
Irony is strong. Please read about hydrogen embrittlement, that alone will explain to you why you can't use regular engines to burn hydrogen.
"India has a huge CNG car infrastructure."
And I have red shoes... This is how relevant your comment was.
"If Indian Nuclear plants could produce cheap hydrogen , that could compete with CNG , they could swtich from CNG to Hydrogen. "
You know where you could use power produced from nuclear plant? To power BEV's... Shocker... I know...
"It is not a technical problem. Sabine is WRONG."
Och yes yes yes, you who thinks that you can just replace CNG with hydrogen and engine will run just fine knows more than actual scientists who spent more than 2 minutes on google... C'mon... Please educate yourself here.
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"This is why both THEORY are still today described as such and far from becoming a science fact"
Earth is a globe, thats a fact, not a theory. Flat earth is just a claim, false claim by itself as we can prove that earth is a globe. Try to avoid comparing something like that in future.
"Each day we expand our knowledge of the universe and with it, we get closer to the day where our science will fail to stay standing, forcing us to rewrite it from a to z"
You seam to not even know what science is if you made statement like this. Science gets more accurate results as time goes, we don't rewrite everything with something completely new, we refine current understanding.
"A smart person like you otherwise, won't be so ashamed of sharing his feeling towards a minority of people who think differently..."
You can think differently about best tasting ice creams, but at moment you start saying that 2+2=banana, we will have issue with that. As now you are trying to redefine reality which is not the same as to simply have different opinion about some trivial topic.
"considering that what you believe came from a mirrored story and the same is valid for anything we known today"
Earths shape can be proven by anyone at any time with some spare time and minimal amount of equipment. You don't need 5billion equipment to determine shape of earth... For flipping sake, first people determined approximate size of earth with sticks...
"No matter how crazy the ideas are, there is no wrong doing and instead we should listen, discuss and be always ready to agree to disagree without closing any door."
Are you seriously saying that we should waste time in discussing if 2+2=banana or not?...
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@RS-ij8id
"I have studied computer science and software eng"
Congrats?...
" The Globe model is and stays a theory and the reason why it is simple"
First globe appeared in 3 century BCE in Greece, people at that time quite accurately estimated earths size with sticks... Earth is a globe, factual, testable and observable globe. Its not a theory, its not a opinion or claim, its simply a fact. Your personal incredulity will not prove anything here.
"get the attention of someone who may financial them etc."
Why? To put into analogy, you are saying that we should fund research in determining if chopping some ones head would kill him... It will... We know that it will... No need to waste money, time and human resources into research like that...
" It is not a reason to simply dismissed those and simply refer to them as "stupid, ignorant, less intelligent, reason to feel sad for them or for the world" etc. etc."
Why not? Again, analogy, if some one makes a claim that chopping humans head will not kill him, what would you call hi? Smart? Educated? All knowing?... Or simply stupid?...
You said allot, while at same time nothing... Congrats with that too...
There is difference between being open minded, what you seam to try to say with all this ramble, and simply behaving stupid. Earths shape is not a question, you might have slipped through if you lived 500 years ago in some remote village without any education, but now... Anyone on internet has access to all human knowledge, so there is no rational justification to even say that earth is flat. You might question it, for like 5 minutes, but at some point you have to realize that its just not a questionable thing. And then it comes to people who actually claims that it is... Not that it could be, but that it actually is...
FYI definition for stupid: having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.
Flat earthers who screams that earth is flat matches this definition, so by definition they are stupid. You might not like this word, but lets call it as it is.
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@RS-ij8id
"I agree to disagreed with you"
You cant agree to disagree on fact, you can agree to disagree on best tasting ice creams, but when it comes to the facts, you cant have personal facts...
" You may want to claim your "it is not a theory" theory"
Earths shape is not a theory... Its a fact... And even then, scientific theory is not some simple theory, its a best current explanation supported by all evidence we have and contradicted by none.
"in every science book you will find most of the modern science and more, always presented as a THEORY"
Again, your personal ignorance is evidence for nothing. Please learn what scientific theory is, because now you sound like a young earth creationist.
"All the biggest discovery came from those who questioned the "unquestionable""
Those are not comparable, not even close. Questioning origins of universe is not the same as to question shape of earth. There are no more debate about the shape, its a globe, provable and testable fact. If you start questioning facts from reality you basically claiming that reality is not real, which opens new can of worms for you to deal with...
"Questioning it is not wrong as long as it possible to identify "weaknesses" to allow and justify that."
Cool, identify weakness in a globe model... I will wait...
"It is always possible to find a multiple if not infinite possible description that produce the same results.."
Are we still talking about shape of earth or are you now just making some general unrelated statements here?
"so again, questioning a given knowledge is A) Sign of intelligence"
False. Just because you question something doesn't make you intelligent, it might simply indicate you having paranoia.
"B) Train the brain and learn how to reach the same conclusion "
Thats false too. You should not learn how o reach same conclusion, you should learn how to reach correct one. Even if conclusion changes every single time you do same thing, you still need to get correct conclusion and not dismiss it just because you dint got what you wanted...
You literally trying to say that we should try to find evidence for conclusion we already made instead of following where evidence leads... Being flat earther 101.
"C) Make the knowledge your own instead of confusing science with religion. "
Science isint religion, it never was and it will never be. And your personal knowledge is anecdotal evidence at best. What seams real to you might not be real at all... Like people claiming to be abducted by aliens... Is that a knowledge about reality or delusion? How would you know?
"you are having faith in someone else and the entire system built on it."
I have reasonable expectations from previous experiences when it comes to claims. At moment my personal understanding of reality mismatch the claim presented, i will investigate it further, but i cant research every single thing from every single topic in the world. Should we not believe that atoms are real just because we never created our own equipment to see them?
"No difference with any other religion. "
Its like you desperately trying to lower science to religions level just to have fighting chance here.. Will not work.
"This is very important, because gave us the chance to understand that our educational system is failing to provide everyone with a clear understanding of the teaching provided."
Well, this is only issue with some countries, after all, majority of flat earthers seam to be located in US which has terrible educational system.
"valid argument regarding the transparency of the information behind the current science"
Who the f**k cares? Its like you are trying to imply that just because some where at some time some one behind label of science presented some invalid information that because of this now everything in science can be questionable even tho something like a shape of earth can be verified by anyone with IQ above 80?
"mistakes currently still present in our science book"
Like what?
"while their model does not have a clear description and while offering interesting and valid (within the model)"
If you don't have valid model how can explanation fit within that model? Flat earthers can even present world map without distance distortions, not even talking about dozens of other issues. Flat earthers doesn't even have what to defend, this is why their main thing was to attack globe, because in their delusion they think that debunking globe would some how prove flat...
"answers to those void left by the globe model"
Making shit up just to fill up gap is not an answer, its literally making shit up. If globe model can't explain something (what exactly it cant?) then it means there isint enough evidence to get to one or another conclusion. So how the hell would flatardian model provide any better explanation? Is taking something out of your ass makes it more valid than simply saying "we dont know, lets investigate"?
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@RS-ij8id
You wrote allot, so will be skipping some random nonsense.
"like Einstein, with the intent of proving the globe model have produced unexpected results forcing them to find quickly possible reasons to justify those values so that the theory could stay standing"
Are you drunk? Earths shape was determined 3 century BCE in Greece, what the hell are you talking about here? When did Einstein tried to prove that earth is a globe?...
" Plus, do not forget that the globe model has been chosen for its simplicity"
Or maybe because earth is a globe?...
"That's why, as an example, the maps for navigation are all projections of the globe model on a flat version"
False... We have flat maps not because it produces better results, those actually produce allot worst ones, but we use them for convenience sake. After all having think sheets of paper is allot better than having huge globe. And when it comes to smaller areas, you can use flat maps without terrible issues, those will have some distortions in distances, but for smaller areas its fine.
" And how do you classified your beliefs any better than a creationist one?"
Rational.
"But the chances for it to be correct are the same (if not less) than being created by the Creator."
False... You cant even prove that creator could possible be real, while Big Bang theory is based on all current evidence and contradicted by none of those while uses natural laws without any magic involved. Your creation claim doesn't even fall into bucket of possible explanations, because you cant even prove that it is possible.
"I am not inn, but this does not stop me to be rational when comparing the two"
But you are not rational.. not even close... You literally saying that option which cant even be shown to be possible is more possible then something what was shown to be atleast possible... That's not rational...
"So...It will always be a theory, no matter how close to the answer you may get."
It might always be a theory, but its atleast a scientific theory and not a empty religious claim which has no supporting evidence.
"And yet it is not correct to claim even the globe model (part of the heliocentric theory) as testable fact since many experiments still now have produced unwanted results"
What unwanted results from which experiments? And how would that be relevant when earths shape can be determined from your backyard?
"The globe is not a perfect sphere but rather like a damaged ball"
False again... Can you get anything correct here? On grand scale globe is a perfect sphere, its rounder than bowling ball. That tiny difference between equator and poles are like 0.4%. Earths surface would be hardly noticeable if you would shirk it down and tried to touch it with your fingers. Do you even know how tiny all of those differences are?...
"it is often justifiable a wrong predicted result and so really not possible to prove or disprove the model description"
False again. Tests do produce predictable results, your inability to perform them correctly isnt proof of anything.
"There is not a valid globe model with globally accepted math"
Are you drunk? Now you talk like generic flat earther... Should I literally do this 2minute google search and give you globally accepted math?
"The Ones available in different sources including Wikipedia are incorrect and approximated"
First of all, how do you know that those are incorrect? Second, due to huge variation of variables, like light refraction which cant be 100% accounted for, you will get results with some margin of error, but that doesn't mean that calculations are incorrect.
And now you simply trying to do hair splitting here... Its like you are complaining that results is 123.25456 and not 123.25456789563... C'mon...
"Again, Globe means "Sphere", and the name of the model is by itself a weakness."
Playing word game? Earth is oblate spheroid, slightly wider on "bottom". But in general its a sphere. Its labeled as sphere for laymen, if you will start talk about earth with 100% accurate description of it, this might take few minutes... Do you even know how words work?
"Other weaknesses are several phenomenal events observable in time like the "two suns in the sky""
Never happened. On top of this, even if it happened, that would not disprove globe... How the hell you even got to conclusion that having magical second sun would disprove globe?
"the second moon"
Same irrelevant point as it was with suns.
"the ability of seen from one city, another city which is located more than should be allowed to using the globe mode"
And? This at worst would prove that earth is bigger and not that its flat...
"Being a globe, you will always be falling off the sphere... so I need gravity"
Yearth is a globe because there is such thing as gravity... And while gravity is provable fact, you have extra thing to put into evidence bucket for globe.
Damn... Your ignorance is just... Damn...
"And when considering gravity, we must also apply gravity in space.. but the math won't work. "
What? Which math doesn't work in space and why? How often to you take stuff our of your arse without fact checking?
" For example the ship disappearing behind the curve of the globe."
Yes, objects disappearing bottoms up while going over horizon indicates curvature, while having curvature to all sides you will have a globe. This another evidence into globe bucket.
"You don't feel like you are constantly moving together with the earth at high speed"
Why should you? You CAN'T feel motion, only changes in it.
"while getting a push and pull from gravitational force"
And what do you expect to observe here? That you would be flying all over the place while we do spin every 24 hours?...
"This does not mean I don't agree with it, but it is fair to say that it is the least to be considered logical, experienced and observable"
Your personal ignorance isint evidence for anything.
"The lack of transparency from Nasa regarding the data obtain from out of space is another weakness"
NASA is relevant here as much as caramel ice cream... You as some one who claims not to believe in flat earth you make silly flat earth claims left and right...
"In fact, 2021 and we have yet not given one single real picture of the earth."
So you are ether a flat earther, troll or just to stupid to have decent conversation.
As dozens of flat earthers i have asked, i will ask you same thing: Which method you used to determine that photo X is fake and photo Y is not?
Be the first one who manages to answer this and show that you are smarter than generic flat earther.
Skipping rest of that... So yea... You are no rational thinking skills, you have no critical thinking skills, you lack of basic knowledge about basic things, you are ignorant on multiple topics and you dint presented anything in value here... Should we continue this pointless conversation or are we done?
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@RS-ij8id
"And yes, I do understand "grand scale" bu it is still not so."
Is bowling ball a sphere? Your first though would be: yes. But its less a sphere than earth if you would shrink it to the size of bawling ball. So your failure to understand what "on grand scale" means will not change the fact that earth is a sphere.
If you want to go into hair splitting, then nothing in reality is a sphere, as there is no such thing which would have its entire surface perfectly at same distance from its center, you will still have atleast one atom slight close or further away which would make it not a perfect sphere or a sphere by definition of a sphere, but yet we would still call it that way.
"It is not a perfect sphere and even from space it won't look as such"
FALSE. Again... Listen... Closely... Difference between "width" and "height" is 0.4%, without specialized measurement tools you will NEVER notice that difference, NEVER.
""The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge" by Stephen Hawking"
Correct, and you are prime example of this. You seriously think that you could notice 0.4% difference... Your illusion of knowledge is just... sad...
""The important thing is to never stop questioning" by Albert Heinstein"
That would only apply to none factual things. Do you exist? Is your existence factual? Ask yourself if you exist. Och wait, as you can ask yourself if you exist, that means you do exist. So why would you question your existence?
Being open minded is fine and you should be, but questioning basic facts is just stupid.
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@RS-ij8id
"It is not a perfect sphere. Because of the force caused when Earth rotates, the North and South Poles are slightly flat. Earth's rotation, wobbly motion and other forces are making the planet change shape very slowly, but it is still round" by NASA"
Riiight, maybe not a perfect sphere, yet its still a sphere... your entire argument was that earth is not a spherical, but by your own quote its a sphere... And like I said, if you want to hair split here, then nothing is a perfect sphere anyways.
""It is not even a perfect oblate spheroid, because mass is distributed unevenly within the planet. The greater a concentration of mass is, the stronger its gravitational pull, "creating bumps around the globe," says geologist Joe Meert at the University of Florida in Gainesville." by scientificamerican"
And? How big are those bumps? 0.1%? 0.0001%? You keep quote mining here in attempt to find any quote with some key words while missing entire point of this quote...
"From space it is less but still very much observable"
Nope. Will make it simple for you. If you have 1080p monitor, enlarge earth to fit its height, difference between height and width will be HALF of the pixel. HALF. And this would be on a screen where you could actually observe pixilation and maybe notice some difference where earths edge ends, but in reality you will NEVER notice that without specialized equipment, NEVER.
"This is why NASA officially mentioned that the picture of the earth offered by them, are in fact made from collection of different pictures on a 3d perfect spherical model of the earth."
No idea what this should even mean or imply... Like i said, multiple times already, there is no big difference if you will use perfect 3d sphere on your computer to project earths surface or if you would use sphere which is 0.4% wider than taller for that same purpose. You will still get visually a perfect sphere.
" It is actually really interesting how you not just only decided to believe whatever you have been told, but also have no even a clue of what you actually been told."
Says some one who fails to understand that 0.4% difference cant be noticed by naked eye and claims that this should be visible on photos... C'mon...
"Anyway, I will respect your religion - alternative version of what actual science means.
First of all, not a religion, basic fact you failed to rebut here. Second, your silly attempt to lower my position to religion is just, silly, at best. Third, ask any scientist if earth is flat, 99.9% will say that its not. Would that mean that scientists are not using science? Your entire argument is one big pile of ignorance with sprinkles of personal incredulity and you think that you know more than me... C'mon...
Your failure to understand basic geometry isint my problem, its yours.
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@RS-ij8id
"But it was about how unfair was to talk about people with different opinion from the mass as they were stupid"
Lets fact check here, definition for stupid: having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.
While every single flat earther fails with basic geometry, not even talking about actual more complex calculations, we can safely call people like that stupid. You might not like this word and we could use something else, but facts remain facts, by definition of stupid flat earthers are stupid.
"Also how illogical is it to do so when modern science came from the same logic from people who were revolutionary at their time"
There is difference between creating new ideas for answers we currently dont have and questioning actual facts... You could have gotten away with flat earth claim few hundred years ago, but now you cant, questioning it only makes you look ignorant, at best.
"you use the "Perfect Sphere" which now you can put as you like.. but finally, you agreed."
Agreed on what exactly? That earth is spherical? Well yes, it is.
"Since you love Nasa"
Never said I love NASA or even care what they have to say in this matter... Avoid making straw man fallacies here...
"I do suggest you review the apollo 11 video"
Who the f**k cares? Like seriously, even if some one could demonstrate that 100% of everything NASA ever produced is fake, that will NOT disprove globe earth... We know that earth is a globe not because NASA said so... NASA only adds extra information in addition to dozens of other space agencies located across entire world. We knew that earth is a globe 2300 years ago, NASA isint that old...
" Even Thou, they are so far and the Earth looks that small, you clearly can still see the Earth Shape Irregularity and "asymmetric" characteristic as explained and aspected"
Do you not know what shadow is?...
"Quoting is a very known and widely used way to add more value to the content"
Quote mining isint. In general you can find quote for any position from any person if you will take quote out of context or try to miss interpret it in your own way to fit your personal needs.
"Well answered in the previous quote/reply"
What answered? You made a claim that you should notice earth not being perfect sphere, yet you failed to explain how would you notice HALF of pixel difference even when is a photo on your monitor, not even talking about real observation where you will not have any pixels you could use to count that difference... So explain to me instead of avoiding it.
"As explained earlier... you are incorrect."
As explained earlier... you are incorrect.
"Yet many things remain unexplained and need more digging."
Its like saying "Well I see this car, but I cant accept its existence because we dint explained how quarks behave in absolute zero environment"... You seam to want ALL answers to EVERYTHING what is slightly related to earths shape for you to accept that earth is a globe/sphere. Why? Earth is a globe even if we have no idea how rest of the world works, we know for a fact that its a globe, everything else is irrelevant here.
"The theory of Gravity is not the only one"
Which is relevant as caramel ice cream... You could debunk gravity and earth would still be a spherical... You can explain gravity and its still a sphere... You could prove that gravity is not a attraction force earth would still be a spherical... And this would be actual example of red herring fallacy.
"That is not it there are many other theories with equal resulting predictions"
Of what? Earths shape is not a theory, its a fact. Anything else is just your attempt to make red herring fallacy.
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@SkMan1989
1. Its their problem to not wanting to live in the country. If they wanted to join Russia they could have organized voting to do it legally, just like USSR split into many countries, it could have happen with Ukraine.
2. USSR acknowledged Ukraine as independent country, it can do whatever it wants. Tho its weird that you think oppressing people is on same line as actually starting full blown war and killing hundreds of thousands in the process... While you could not even prove that Ukraine oppressed Russians to begin with...
3. This conflict was instigated by Putin in hopes to take over entire country without big fuss, just like he did with Crimea. He wanted more... Because he is morally bankrupt person.
This war isn't useful, Putin expected it to end quickly without causing big troubles, just like he did with Crimea, but it backfired. Countries realized that Russia will not stop with Ukraine and if its not stopped now it will continue marching forwards. It was the last straw which broke the camel's back.
All this blood is 100% on Russia, this was could end today by Russia simply going home. This was continues because Russia aka Putin wants it. Just go and listen all those threats Russia did over last years, those are the threats of immorally bankrupt society, we don't want them in around backyard... No one does...
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@glennrobards585
"he setting sun can be zoomed in on by anyone, and show you it's the sun that is moving away."
But its not. Seriously, you never seen sunset where you can see half of the sun? Are you blind?
"Nobody can take a video of our observably flat and stationary earth."
What you feel in your balls doesn't determine reality.
"Anyone that says that the earth is a spinning globe is lying."
Or maybe they are just some one with basic education. Who knows...
"You can allege anything you want, but it's impossible for the earth to be rotating."
Why? Which laws of physics does spinning earth break?
"I would love to go to court with anyone that actually believes in the spinning globe."
Why would anyone want to do that? I mean, it would be hard to believe that anyone even allow for court case as stupid as this to even be accepted, but even then, what would we get from you? You clearly dont have money as you would already spent 2k on plane ticket witch goes over south pole or 5k for cruise ship around or 50k for 2 week trip to south pole on your own feet. So what can we gain from that? To prove that you are incorrect? We did that already... For free...
"I could sue some of these fight the flat earth people for libel who have called flat earthers liars"
Flat earthers are not liars, they are simply ignorant or uneducated. Well some are just trolls, pretend to be flat earthers for sake of attention.
" but I have observable proof of a flat and stationary earth."
Then come back when you get your Nobel's prize for your "evidence" that we live on space frisbee... Och wait, you don't even believe in space?...
"It would be like being offended if somebody called me a liar for saying that the sky is blue."
no no no, you are not sayin that sky is blue, you are saying that sky is made of flying elephants made of candies and they are pink and they are magical and evidence for that is your feelings in you balls!!!...
There is a reason why 99.9% of smartest people on earth are not flat earthers... Go figure...
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" i believe the government helped that family"
And i believe i can fly, does that make it true? Can i fly just because i believe?... No...
" if you dont thats on you"
Whats on me? Reality?...
"and i was asking you a question zrips not condemning you of anything"
So when i made a question/statement about your empty assertion, your response was to ask me a question about another topic?...
"you condemn yourself with your mouth"
How?
"you are trying to play the victim card within a victim card its like victimception over here"
When did i played victim card?... If you are incapable of supporting your original comment, then its not my problem, i will gladly point that one out until you run away, cant really expect you to admit that you took that out of your ass and apologize for making empty assertions... Can I?
"where did i say you condemned something?"
When you asked that strange question "are you condemning the president for doing something..." when topic was about your empty assertion that they give money to that family... So you broth up that condemning topic for some strange reason, did you wanted to imply that i condemned, did you wanted to ask me, i have no idea, but it was quite out of topic...
"i asked are you condemning the president for doing something he was asked to do by the family"
Family asked president to take a photo with a child who lost his parents?... Should i condemn now that family for doing such immoral thing or should we stay with Trump?...
"of course you cant provide a yes or no answer you instead choose to act as if im attacking you"
Trump is proven liar, he constantly makes comments which are embarrassment for everyone... He does nonsensical things constantly... There is not much you could do about him, but only condemn... What was purpose of that picture? To show that he cares?... Does he? Is taking picture makes you care by default?... Person who is not prioritizing a pictures is some one who could be actually caring, not some one who looks for good profile picture...
"pathetic"
If you say so, it must be true... I heard that on internet, so it must be true too...
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"clearly you know nothing about praying because the main part about praying is admiting to your sins? "
I know that prying doesn't work. You clearly think that it does. Can you prove that?
And why the hell i would need to pray to realize that i did something wrong?
"That's taking responsibility for them"
By praying?... Why do you need to pray? Its useless action...
"This is what happens when man has no God he thinks he is God"
I'm atheist... By definition i don't believe in god's... So are you saying that i don't believe that i exist?...
"and can clear himself of all wrong doing"
So you are saying that some one else should fix your mistakes and not you?
Damn, you are digging your hole deeper and deeper with each sentence...
"What an ignorant godless man you are"
Ignorant about what?
"Go back to asking babies for opinions you weirdo."
Damn, you still failing to understand what i was saying by that... Damn...
"you claim to be a perfect man?"
Well you claimed that i have sins, so what sins do i have?
"Can you prove to me that you are perfect and have never done anything wrong?"
Can you prove to me that i'm not a perfect and have done anything wrong?
"Never lusted for woman or man?"
Though police? From when we are punishing people for their thoughts? I'm not talking about what your bible claims to be immoral action, otherwise we could not eat shrimps or wear cloths with different fabrics, and we would be going around killing homosexuals and adulterous, because by bible we should do that and it fiiiiiiiiine, book said so after all... So which laws in this reality we have which punishes you for lusting for woman or man?
"Clearly this is not true"
Clearly you have no idea what is clearly... No wonder you believe in something you cant prove to be true: god. So now you are making presuppositions who i'm without knowing who i'm... Why are you so dishonest?
"disgusting immoral to almost anyone even to people who dont believe in God"
How is belief in god related to who i'm? Och wait, it is. Take prisons, you have under representation of atheists in them, which shows that atheists makes less crimes. Then you have secular countries which have lower crime rates then religious countries... Interesting... Its like not believing in god gives you better morals... Strange... Not...
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Tristan White
"you are the mankind's gift to the world"
Not really, but thanks anyways! Weeeee!
"the moral compass of the universe"
My moral compass is allot better then that one presented in a bible. Do you disagree? Is killing homosexuals moral or not? Question you cant answer because you will loose in any case.
"why you should go to the pope right now, take his job and start preforming miracles"
When did pope performed miracles? And why would i need to take his place to be able (if i'm able) to perform miracles?
"as God is the only other perfect being"
Damn... Dint your god performed that mass genocide with global flood because he fu***ed up with man kind? So he is not so perfect after all?
"oh wait you are God i forgot ive been worshiping a false one this whole time"
There are 50 000 proposed god's over human history, so presupposing that god is real and that he is on of those, you literately have 0.02% chance to get correct one... And this is presupposing 2 magical things...
" humanity should be worshiping you zrips since you are indeed the perfect man"
Why? Why would you need to worship anyone?
"I will start my shrine to you immediately so that hopefully one day I can live my life in your Image."
Why? Again... Why would you worship anyone?
"at least prisoners have the decency to humble themselves before God because they know his judgement is the one they really need"
Nice one, trying to save bad theistic reputation? So you basically trying to forget that theists commits more crimes then atheists? Why? You do know this will not work with me? After all, by your words, i'm perfect man ^.^
"most usually convert while they are in there"
Its called indoctrination. And god's have been created to make you feel better in terrible situations. And prison is quite terrible situation. Another reasoon people made up god's is to explain something they have no explanation for. This is why we "have" god's like: god of fire, god of oceans, god of sun and on and on and on...
"the reasons why nobody in prison is aethists is because you live in america where about 70%-80% of Americans believe in some form of religion or God"
Ok, will help you out here. In America you have ~4% of atheists in general public. So you should see ~4% atheists in prisons. I'm not talking about their conversion, i'm talking about people who gets into prison, not who leaves it. So as you are expecting 4%, in reality you have ~0.1%. Which means that atheists perform less crimes then theists. Why? Why would those "immoral" atheists behave more morally then those "moral" theists with their "perfect" moral book?
"thats like saying 80% of nurses are woman therefor woman must be better nurses than man."
Irony... I know... Yes, woman are better then man in being nurses... Being nurse requires you to be more calm, have more gentle touch and more warm face when you deal with people in pain. So its interesting that you broth a fact about reality like its not a reality... Should i google for you out some articles why woman nurse is better suited for this work then men? Or maybe you can do this by yourself?...
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@vojislavdragic5090
"if sun was local and was follow following* flat earth bowl * it would still be going straigh while not changing size.."
False... Demonstrably false...
Do you even understand how reality works? Objects getting closer to you will get bigger, while going away from you, smaller. On flat earth model sun goes in circle over earth, which means that not only it should move in circular way, it should get closer to you under midday and then further away until sunset. This is not how we see sun in reality. It doesn't change size or speed, and moves in straight line across sky.
"do the experiment your self with a ball attached to string, while you being pivot( center).."
Yes, and it fails. ball changes size, you can always see ball, so no sunset or sunrise and it moves in circular way and its changing perceived speed... So your experiment proves that earth is not flat.
"therefore, your observation can be applied in flat earth mdel as well.."
It cant... if you seriously think that they can, then you need to go back to middle school and learn how geometry works... We are not even talking now about shape of earth, we are trying to educate you on geometry...
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@Sultani92
Crappy suspension? Teslas have wide range of suspensions, duno in which reality they are crappy.
Tight rear seat entry? Sorry to ask, but how fat are you?
No idea about insurance and why it would be high, care to elaborate?
Musk isn't spying on you, why would he care what you are doing? And are you seriously think that no other car company could spy on you? If you are so paranoid, you should ditch your smartphone.
You have regen control as you can pick one of two options, tho duno why would you want anything else than the highest one and keep it at it.
Och no, 19" wheels... Think about children... By the way, there are options to get 21", you know, optional stuff.
Tight seats? Again, how fat are you?
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ScienceMadeFunner
"Why the slight anger and also does that sound like a threat?"
No anger and no threats.
"can facts be wrong?"
Facts remain facts, opinions can change.
"why can’t we use science for proving whatever we want to prove?"
That's not how science works... Scientific method is when you go where evidence leads you too and not that you will lead evidence where you want to go.
"Science is available to everyone to use isn’t that the idea?"
Science is a method, so yes, its available to everyone.
"why does this video have nothing but famous people?"
Because that attracts more attention than having 3 random people from street. Famous people are more restricted by what they say as they need to keep their reputation, having 3 random people would only increase chances for them to lie for sake of lying.
Tho everything they said in this video is not dependent on how famous they are.
"why don’t more people go to Antarctica?"
Because its most dangerous place on earth... You need special training and special equipment to go there, and there isnt many who actually wants to go to such cold place to see snow...
" Can we even go?"
Yes, 20k for 2 week trip to Antarctica pole and back on your own feet.
"Why did people back then think the world was flat?"
Ignorance. Mainly ignorance.
"The people who built magnificent structures did they believe the earth was flat?"
Not relevant. People who build pyramids could have thought that earth is pyramid, would not change anything about their structures.
"Also I Believe Jesus/God made the earth to be a very special place for us why couldn’t he make it look different too?"
No idea what you even asking here, but earth is a spherical, yoru god exists or not, he made it or not, its still spherical independent of your personal beliefs, thats simple fact from actual reality.
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Tristan White
"i forgot you live in a world where a baby should be able to make there own choices."
And previously you said "the family of the baby wanted him to meet the president" so new family of that baby wanted this political move then? Did they used that baby which lost his parents just to meat with president?... I mean, we can go with that... Trump will look slightly better, but then you have shitty new family that baby got...
"which as ill mention a 3rd time condemn people like you for trying to think for a child and promote more negativity to an already negative situation"
What was purpose to bring that baby back? Like seriously, shut that Trump door for a second and think. What was benefit for that baby to go back to hospital after losing parents? He will not even grasp concept of a president for next couple years, not even talking that if he is rised as some one who thinks, he will not even be proud to meat that lying a**hole. So you have 2 options: Shitty new family or shitty president action. Or both?...
"please re think your flawed logic of trying to think for infants and implant thoughts and feelings on to them. its utterly disturbing."
I have no idea what you tried to say here, but ok... Whatever floats your boat...
"did the baby ask to be taking to the hospital? is this a joke we are talking about an infant."
Damn, you seriously missed the point... No wonder you are Trump supporter...
What i was saying that new babies family took him into hospital for their personal gain or they have been asked by people who works for Trump to create this political move and make him look good. Well they failed, but thy tried. And you failed to understand what i was saying...
"also the link you provided me was 80% about climate change."
Fiiiine... Lets say for sake of argument 80% of lies he said is irrelevant... Are you fine with rest 20%?...
"which in my opinion is irrelevant climate has been changing since the beginning of time duh"
... ... ... I would insert face palm here... Whatever...
" the fact is the trump is right the mainstream media is lieing about climate change"
BASED ON WHAT? Like seriously, we can stop on this point and lets see what you can present to support Trumps words... och wait, you have nothing... While on my side is entire scientific world... Are you even serious here?
"its not getting warmer its getting colder"
Do you live under the rock?... 1880–2018 guess which are hottest years... Like top 10... Well 9 of them are from last 14 years... So are you so ignorant or trying to promote your alternative facts?...
"DID you read any of links i sent you probably not...."
Well definitely not, because i cant see any post with links... So youtube removed them as spam. Repost them in a post itself, and try using less of them in one post, this will give better chance for not being removed automatically as a spam.
"that has to be one of the dumbest thing ive ever heard come out of a human beings brain"
Yes, because you failed to understand what i was trying to say by that...
"no of course they didnt ask the infant what its opinion was. ITS AN INFANT!!!!!"
Exactly! This is why infant was used as a tool to get this political move. Ask anyone who is not crazy if its ok to take infant back to hospital just to take couple pictures with president after he lost his parents... You wont get many agreeing with this move...
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@shmh6002
"It's in the Bible people."
Bible is not evidence, its a book and nothing more.
"I'm so sorry if none of you are believers but there's literal proof in the Bible and that's all I need."
Again, bible is the one which makes the claim, you need evidence to actually prove this claim to be true without using source of claim, otherwise you are just doing circular argument fallacy here.
"Not once does it say in there that there are even planets or that we live on a round earth spinning at astronomical speeds through outer space"
Exactly, while we know that we do live on a globe and we do fly through space and spin around, that would mean that your book is wrong.
"does anyone not realize how silly that sounds?"
Do you? Have you ever looked at your bible objectively and realized how silly that one sounds?
"How about we think for ourselves...."
Says some one who blindly believes what his book says because book said that its correct one... C'mon... How dont you see irony here?
" It was something that was made up by man all put into place to control"
Are we talking about globe earth or bible? Because this perfectly applies to bible, so now i'm comfused.
"Try doing research on your own and open your mind and be smart..."
Please, do that.
"Not everything we've been told in school is true"
Not everything we've been told in church/bible is true
" the " scientific" evidence to back up what I'm saying"
So can you present your BEST evidence for what you are saying here?
"I'm not claiming to be smarter than others or know things that others don't LOL just plain facts is all..."
Yet you want to claim to know more than smartest people on earth... I mean... C'mon... Majority of scientists are not even theists, waste majority of smartest people on earth knows that earth is a globe, yet you are here saying that its not because your book said so...
"God bless"
Which god?
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@buckrodgers1162
There isint much to progress on the side of Hydrogen, what we can get is better and cheaper ways to convert water/salt water into hydrogen, but you will still have same issues with its transportation, its storage and its extra energy cost in comparison to BEV's.
It can improve and it will, but it will not overtake BEV's, atleast not for regular cars. Where Hydrogen can be useful is where energy density is a main priority.
BEV's remained stagnant for decades, first BEV was made in 1890 and its main limiting factor was battery technology and its cost. Only when we started to get cheaper and better batteries this became actual viable option and more money was put into battery technology improvement. This was mainly caused by the need to have portable electronic devices and not by a need to have BEV's. Hydrogen doesn't have need like this and there isnt much to improve, it will, but it will not outperform improvements done on battery technology.
No idea why you mentioned people without private house not being able to own BEV. You can always charge it at any charging station, its not like you can have Hydrogen refueling station at your private house. BEV's are not perfect at the moment and cold weather will have negative impact, but this on itself is being worked on and will be improved in time. We already got few improvements for BEV's specifically when it comes to lower temperatures and its efficiency, its only question of time until it becomes none issue.
Any apartment complex has capabilities... You can plug your car into basic wall socket... If your apartment complex can handle microwave then it can charge your BEV. Point is that it can do it overnight while you sleep, which will charge enough for you next day driving needs in most cases. Electrical grid is none issue, it was already investigated and research done on it, electrical grid can and is expanding faster than BEV adoption rate could ever be. Its completely none issue.
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@buckrodgers1162
"they take a long time"
How long do you think it takes to charge car battery from 20 to 80%?
" And don't work in cold weather. "
EV market in Canada and Norway and other colder countries disagree with you.
"HFCs can refuel in the same time that a normal petroleum vehicle can."
And? Again, how long do you think it takes to charge EV?
"the costs of building new stations will go down"
Building might go down, maintaining cost will hardly change. Hydrogen stations are quite expensive to be maintained properly due to all this complexity involved in how hydrogen behaves in general. This cost will never be less than BEV charging stations, NEVER.
"And because it can be made onsite, the cost of hydrogen will drop."
Can it?... And you do understand that this would only increase complexity of station, cost of it to build and to maintain by quite a bit?
"Plus, because of it's comparable refuel time rate to petroleum, the current fueling station infrastructure can be used to install the new pumps"
Not really, entire infrastructure for Hydrogen is quite different than it is for petroleum. What is common is only the need to have some storage tank and then refueling stations near it, all of that should be swapped entirely, so what you actually will have is only a land which you could maybe reuse, again, maybe. Not all stations would have enough space to include "on site production" or even legal requirements for safety reasons to even be a thing.
"No need to drop them in parking lots like was done with the EV charging stations."
But that's the thing... You can drop BEV charging stations in parking lots... That's the beauty of it all, you can have charging cables at any supermarket, your car could be charged while you are buying milk, or it could be charged while you are at work... You just need a cable from any outlet. Its simplest and most independent form of fueling your transportation. There are even serious talk about wireless charging where your car would automatically start charging when you park your car without you doing anything, you could literally never visit charging station or even have a need to plug in your car at home manually.
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@fuckingdrummachinez
"I speak more about the ways these batteries are produced and the whole industry of lithium etc"
Cool beans and all, but every single manufacturing process is toxic on some level. Battery production isn't that bad and it can be controlled and it can and is being improved, on top of new chemistries being created every single year.
"It's very polluting and whole communities are suffering from being near to these excavation sites"
Just like you would if you lived near any excavation site... Are you trying to imply that its better to stick with current petroleum or go with hydrogen which is not scalable in general to avoid some potential issues with someone maybe living to close to the excavation site? Maybe its an issue with excavation sites being to close to population and not an issue with actual excavation sites?
" This stuff happens in 3rd world countries in Africa/Asia"
Education for ignorant one. Biggest lithium exporter is Australia. What now? Your entire argument just shattered into tiny pieces.
You are barking on the wrong tree here, its not an issue with lithium mining, its an issue with countries exploiting people with lithium mining.
"Basically cheap DIY hydrogen storage"
Yes yes yes, and we have water engine too... If there was cheap DIY hydrogen storage then it would have been implemented as a cheap hydrogen storage across the board, but its not, so clearly something doesn't add up here.
"And don't you assume things about me and time I put in research"
Clearly you didn't put as much as you think you did. Watching 2 youtube videos will not make you educated on this topic. You didn't even know that Australia exports most Lithium and wanted to complain about 3rd world countries... C'mon... Let's be real here, you just want for battery technology to fail just because you could have your hydrogen combustion car to make that old school sound or something.
"Hydrogen is better in many terms, first of all because it's clean"
Most hydrogen currently is being produced from natural gas. There is 0 pur hydrogen on earth, ZERO. 100% of it needs to be produced. Some smart people without free time calculated actual carbon footprint of petroleum, hydrogen fuel cell and pure BEV's, and still, BEV's came first as least polluting closely followed by hydrogen cars. So no, it's not a clean solution, its polluting slightly more than BEV's from start to end. Do you know why? Well you don't, but will educate you here. Even most efficient hydrogen cars consume around 60% MORE electricity to move your car same distance as BEV does, aka you need to produce more electricity to move that car same distance. Now add additional costs of maintenance, additional costs of actual hydrogen production, storage and distribution and you will quickly realize that hydrogen cars makes zero sense.
If BEV's didn't exist, then yea, we could have went with hydrogen, but now, no chance, as we can see from real world examples of multiple attempts to bring in hydrogen cars into market and it failing miserably every single time.
"And there's a house in Sweden that stores energy in solid-state hydrogen built by Hans-Olaf Nilsson"
Ok, and what is the cost of that system? What is the cost to maintain that system? How does it compare to basic battery technology? As just having example of technology being applied somewhere doesn't make it a viable option in general.
"The point on recycling is good though, I don't know enough about liion recycling"
Because you haven't researched it long enough... Even tho you want to claim that you did... you can't object to technology you know little to nothing. Batteries are being recycled to like 97-98%, aka 97-98% of all materials can be reused, in some cases reusing materials makes even better batteries as you are getting more pure ones. And this recycling can be done in closed system, aka no actual waste being produced, and its quite in early stages where recycling technology is being perfected, improving its speed and performance. So once you mine lithium it stays in circulation basically for ever.
"mothafucka"
I like you too.
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@peytongross9970
"Please tell me how a big explosion caused that"
Big bang dint caused that... Natural processes did, like gravity, ground erosion, evolution and so on. Everything, i mean, everything we have confirmed about our world or reality excludes god as requirement for anything. All this complexity you talk doesn't require god, none of it does.
"How did the complexity of the way the world works come from an explosion"
Correction: Expansion.
To give you simple analogy here to explain all this "complexity" and how it came "from" Big Bang. Take a bucket full of water, put in some dirt, shake it, it will represent Big Bang, leave it be for couple minutes, and you will get nice order, where dirt will be on bottom, some twigs on top and water in middle. Why? Because we have gravity which "arranged" all that mess into nice order. No god required for that.
"In my opinion"
Correct, your opinion, but majority of actual experts who spends their entire lives exploring all this doesn't agree with you. Why? Why is your 5 minute google search opinion should be taken more serious then people who spends their entire lives doing actual research and experiments?
"In my opinion it takes MUCH more faith to believe that happened"
But its not. None of that requires for magic to be real, your position does. And just take a note that you used "faith" as some attempt to LOWER actual scientific position which would mean that you do realize that your position which is based on faith is in allot worst position. Well, big bang is not based on faith, but thanks for admitting that your opinion is just bad on its core which is based on faith.
"than to believe there was a creator that intentionally created us."
You cant even prove that creator is real or that he could even be possible to be real. So how did you determined that one is more likely than another option if you cant calculate probability? Is X more than Y? Or its less? Or equal? Answer me this: IS X MORE THAN Y?
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@Monica_OnTime
So why do you want racist laws here? Why does it matter if black enrollment is lower? Why does it matter what skin color you have when you enroll? Why do you people keep being so racist?... Stop mentioning race... if person have good grades, then he will enroll, if he doesn't, then he will not. Again, at the moment you bring in race into conversation, it becomes racist, by definition...
"You are focusing on who the policies were intended for, rather than the actual results"
Intended for? Non whites and non asians? Right? What do you call a thing when you separate groups of people by their race? Racism... Or maybe you have different definition of it?
If your policies are racist, result doesn't matter anymore, you simply have racist policies.
"If you were considering the outcomes"
What is your goal of outcome? To be racist?
" The reality is that ignoring the role of race in fair treatment is harmful"
So you do want to be racist...
"It’s clear from this comment section that this very point is being proven."
I agree, this comment section proves that people like you are racist in their core while thinking that they are not, which is ironic and sad at same time. Stop being racist, please.
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@timneilson5812
"so you with an open mind have looked at all these different theories cuz they are just theories"
There is reason why its called "Conspiracy theory"... Its no longer conspiracy theory when you can actually prove it.
" if you have studied the mud floods can you please explain to me why it's not in our history books and it only happened 200 to 250 years ago"
How is that related to anything? Even if this conspiracy was shown to be true, that doesn't change the fact that earth is a globe. I dont have time to go around and fact check every single conspiracy theory out there... We have thousands of those floating all over the place... But independent what that one says earth is still a globe...
"why it's not in our history books and it only happened 200 to 250 years ago"
Maybe because it never happen?... You literally asking me to explain why your unproven conspiracy theory is true... Its not... First of all, its not proven, second, we can present counter evidence for that, third, nobody really cares... This conspiracy is just slightly better then flat earth one, because flat earth is demonstrably false, while for this mud conspiracy you would actually need to look into evidence...
But like seriously, which argument you think is the best to prove your mud flood conspiracy?
"go to your own city and find those buildings in your own city"
What buildings? Building with windows near ground? That's what you think proves mud flood?... Are you kidding me? My parents house has those, and house was built like 30 years ago... Not because mud flood, but because its convenient to have natural light in basement...
Damn...
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"right now EV's winning out because they came first and there for the infrastructure is largely in place"
Well... Kind of, but not really. While electric car came out before hydrogen one did, those have been terrible for long time while hydrogen cars basically got their peak performance from the start. Thing is that BEV infrastructure is all over the place and it costs little to nothing in comparison to hydrogen stations.
"they say at least in my home country that if just 10% of people on a street get a EV car, and they charge them at the same time, the power net will go out because the capacity is not there"
Maybe, because people fail to understand that electric grids expand over time, especially with increased demand. So what those people are saying is extremely wrong. They are talking about TODAY'S grid no being able to handle BEV's charging at same time. First of all, 10% of all cars charging at same time would be basically the peak requirement when you have 100% of cars as on the road as BEV's, that aside, it will take years, maybe decades to get to the point where this 10% charging at same time would become reality.
"So what needs to happen, is it pulling up the streets in all major cities to get cables down that can support it, this to me seems like it will get very expensive"
One BEV charging station costs around 50k, one hydrogen station costs over 1 million. On top of this, hydrogen needs around 60% more electricity to move your car same distance, so if you are afraid of BEV's charging at same time and grid not being able to handle it, then there is zero chance for hydrogen cars.
"Also, it is probably about how much the hydrogen technology gets to develop"
It wont, hydrogen fuel cell technology is at its peak due to basic laws of physics. There might be few % increase i performance, but nothing dramatical.
"In my country EV infrastructure gets way more subsidies than hydrogen"
Because there is no point in having hydrogen cars and there is no point in subsidizing those.
"As it is now the people that earn the least cannot afford the EV cars already, so I do not see EV cars taking the whole market."
BEV's are relatively new and new technology is always more expensive. Prices are going down and for people who uses their cars more often to get BEV is cheaper than to use any other car.
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@rodfriesen4370
You will get backlash from people around you if they are hard core believers, but this doesn't prevent you from simply stopping believing it and just pretending that you still do.
Jesus story is one of those empty assertions made by bible no one could prove to be true. Just keep in mind that I'm talking about Christ here and not Jesus, those are separate claims. And, by bible itself Jesus supposedly said that he came to not abolish old laws but to fulfil them, so anything what was present in old testament applies in new one.
No one, besides religious people, said that something came from nothing. This is just generic lie/misrepresentation being spread around by religious people. I'm guessing you are talking about Big Bang here. First of all, its not fully established that it actually happen, but even then, entire Big Bang only talks about ALREADY existing energy/matter expanding from single point into what we have now, it doesn't make any claims about what happen before it. Its religious people who wants to claim that universe was created from nothing by god when he got bored existing outside space and time. And on top of this... Origins of universe isn't known by all parties here, so why is simply saying "We don't know" is a bad option here?
Your entire argument looks more like "I can't explain X, so i will go with random empty assertions my religion made up" Not having explanation for something doesn't make you rational when you pick random one. This is how we got god's like Thor to explain lightning or Zeus to explain oceans, people had no explaining for a thing and they just made things up to fill in that gap. It's called god of the gaps fallacy.
You just want to either believe in your religion or you are scared of not having answer for a question. This is your issue here. Stop being scared of unknown, actually start investigating it.
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@rodfriesen4370
You should start by questioning your base beliefs, get a question you are interested and if its being answered by your religion, think about it, why are you picking answer from your religion when we either have better one from scientific standpoint which has some actual evidence supporting that answer or simply you have answer to a question no one can have answer too at this moment in time. Picking random answer you like to a question doesn't actually provide correct answer here, you simply can't handle not having any answer to a question, it other words, you are afraid of saying "I don't know, let's investigate". How universe started? I don't know, let's investigate. What was before this universe? I don't know, let's investigate. But if you have question like "How universe started?" and your answer is "God did it because this 2000 year old book said so" isn't the honest position you can hold here. Claims need supporting evidence, what bible does is only makes claims, empty assertions and quite often false ones on top of all of that.
You do remember that entire story about global flood? Well that one factually did not happen and could not have happen based on actual objective evidence, so you have atleast one major story which is provably false. Then question remains: How much of remaining bible is false?
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@grogery1570
It happen in las vegas, but funny thing is that Tesla itself basically negated a need to have those tunnels with Tesla FSD where you could have one car for multiple users, aka removing cars from the roads and parking lots while giving more free time for the ex drivers to do their own thing which would mean that getting faster to destination is no longer a big priority thing.
Those tunnels are fine'ish, issue is that you only getting point to point driving, so you can't really have actual web of those underground, so it makes it way less practical.
Its one of those things where you like "Yea, it does work, but like, should we really invest so much time and money into it to negate small inconvenience?" its borderline between useful and useless.
It's like having solar panel on your BEV's roof, do you really want extra inconveniences just to gain small benefit from it? Not really, even if it is benefit, its so small that it makes it meaningless
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Hi Bye
You are not getting my point... Like at all... Simpler methods in getting guns for good people makes simpler methods for getting guns for bad people... Do you have technology which would separate good person from bad one before buying gun? I don't thinks so... And more guns in homes will increase accidents, children will more often take it without permission or some one will steal it and use it. Increasing gun amount will only increase shooting count. This is simple connection between them.
"Just like I said what would you do if your in your house alone and a bad guy comes in with a gun what will you do"
And from where did he got his gun? In gun shop around the corner...
"So I bet you if we stop bullying then there will be less shootings"
Well yes, this is one part of all that huge problem with US and constant shootings. Its people attitude towards others. That would lower shooting amount, but to prevent bullying is 1 000 000 harder than implementing more strict gun laws. And you know what, we had in my school bullying, guess how many shooting did we had... In entire country... None... Guess how many we would have if kids who have been bullied had access to guns...
"What would you do if a bad gun comes into your house and he has a gun and you don’t?"
So that means i need to buy a tank! But in case he has javelin, i need something more serious, maybe automatic turrets around my house to shoot anything who enters territory! Mine field would be nice too. And maybe in worst case scenario, nuke in basement, just to threaten to blow up everything if they try to come in!
Where is that limit? More guns to protect from more guns?... Should you need a gun to protect from some one with a gun. Yes. Fine. But that was not my point entire conversation... That person who tries to rob you, got his gun from local dealer, legally or not. But when you have millions of guns circulating around, its really simple to get hands on one of them.
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@Sahlooochi
This entire issue is multi layered one, easy access to firearms is just one of many. I don't think there is a country in the world which doesn't allow you to own fire arms, yet country like US is suffering from mass shootings on daily basis which will only grow as its on snowball effect at the moment. More shootings more people will want to protect themselves which will introduce more guns into circulation which will increase chances in someone getting hands on a gun which will increase shootings... Rinse and repeat. You can get 1 000 000 valid honest gun owners, but you only need ONE to cause quite a bit of damage. Make it harder to get hands on a gun will filter out quite a bit of people who are now getting one without any training or any background checks, yes, this is a thing, you can buy legally a gun in US without ANY background checks. How to do it? Go to gun shows... Buy from second hand... Its not required legally for you to present any papers, so you can have one clean buyer which can then legally resell all those guns all over the place.
Answering to your question. Yes, it went down. Mass shooting count went down. Violent crimes went down in general.
Guns on their own causes more harm in shorter period of time with less effort put into it. Like that saying goes "don't bring a knife to a gunfight", because one will always win over the other. I would rather take criminal with a knife than the one with a gun, even if in first case I didn't had a gun and in second one I did. Gun is still more dangerous independent what you have for self defense. And more people you have with guns around you more on edge you will be yourself by knowing that anyone at any point could just lose their marbles and start shooting everyone. Solution? More guns?... Well, that doesn't work as of clear example with US.
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@
But this video doesn't show that, this is the issue. If there is issue with small fractures appearing in CT frame, THAT would be news worthy, but to show CT hitch fail under 9x the weight it was rated for isn't. Like seriously, if hitch failed at 50x the rated value, would it still be a failure? How many X you need for it to be success?
Issue is with this video making fuss about something what isn't an issue, atleast not in this video.
Its like rolling over CT with a tank, observing its frame failing spectacularly and screaming how bad it is... Like... What did you expected? But if you could show that frame accumulates small fractures over time which could lead to critical breaking point, THAT would be worth mentioning.
Dude is simply salty at Elon and wants to find anything he can to shit on him, which isn't the same as to just present objectively bad things in objective way. Just go and read comments here, majority are pointing out the same thing independent if they like Musk or not, independent if they like CT or not, simply put this test was stupid.
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@philaypeephilippotter6532
"Since my beliefs go beyond atheism it isn't semantically the right word."
What? Beyond atheism?... You can't have anything beyond atheism... You ether believe in god(s) or you dont, there are only 2 options here. Why its so hard for you to simply realize that you are atheist and then on top of that you have some extra beliefs which are not tided directly to atheism which are not relevant to my actual question?...
"But you limit yourself to either/or definitions (theist or atheist) which isn't semantically unreasonable but I've never limited myself that way"
And i'm not limiting myself to one single label... Its like for me to ask if you are a man and you answer with "I cant label myself as a man because i have more things about myself which requires more labels"... OK... I dint asked that... You can be something else on top of being an atheist, that label only indicates ONE thing about you, nothing else. If you want to add your new fancy word "apistevist" cool. Majority has no idea what that word even means, but yet you want to label yourself with that one instead of simply answering to the given question... Why? Why do you tap dance like a religious person instead of simply answering to an actual question?
"Why so aggressive and didactic?"
Not aggressive, just trying to figure out why are you so afraid to label yourself with some generic label and you want to tap dance all over the place.
"Have I offended you?"
You cant really offend me on internet, like seriously, you can talk anything you want here, will not get offended, i might get frustrated when people keep avoiding answer and i have to repeat myself multiple times in a row, but you will never offend me here.
"But there's no point in trying to get more information from me about my beliefs as none will be forthcoming."
In general i'm no longer interest in your actual beliefs, i'm more interested to know why you cant label yourself with a basic label which fits your current beliefs. For some strange reason you think that labeling yourself with "atheist" prevents you from having any extra beliefs or positions. Why?
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@philaypeephilippotter6532
Wait wait wait, you want to report me for harassment? Wasn't you who responded to my comment first? Shouldn't I report you for harassment then?... Damn... Its public forum, if you dont want to engage in conversations, then don't... I dint asked you to respond to my comment, yet you did, i responded to your response, we engaged in a conversation and now you want to report me for harassment?... Are you ok? Like seriously, think about it. You see 2 people talking on a street, you come to them and start talking with them and when you no longer like where conversation goes you start threatening that you will call police and accuse one of those people of harassment... What?
Going back to actual topic, what i was explaining to you is that you can only be one of two things: theist or atheist. If you dont like those labels, fine by me, wont change the fact that you are one of those things. You can label yourself in any way you want, but by general most common definitions of atheism/theism you will fall under one of those categories. Its like you would object that I labeled you "some one who is alive" and you responded with "But I'm not alive or not alive, I'm giblegook"... Well... Cool... You can say that, but you are still one of those things, ether alive or not, what you want to label yourself with will not change that fact...
So yea, good luck...
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@patrikioskoskinas3308
" I don't think there's any evidence that scientist were just to afraid to say they were atheist"
?... Go outside of your basement... We have 13 countries TODAY where atheist can be killed legally... How brave would you be to admit publicly to be atheists in heavily muslim countries?... Bible based religions are less immoral on that front, currently, but you can still find quite few people having anger against atheists just because they don't believe in same imaginary friend they do. Its nothing new...
"from what I've read it's pretty concrete that they were theist because it made sense to them."
If I lived at that time I would have screamed from the roof that I'm theist and I love this god dude everyone around me worships just to avoid consequences... It would have been STUPID to announce yourself as atheist at that time, scientists are not stupid, go figure.
" 51% of scientist profecessed a belief in some sort of diety or higher power. "
Och that study... I would suggest to actually read it and realize that you adding atheistic scientists to theist group. What qualifies you to be atheist? Disbelief in god(s). What was the questions? Add those numbers correctly and you will realize that even that outdated research shows majority of scientists to be atheists.
And just FYI if aliens visited us and they had (duh) better technology than us, that would count as higher power too. So belief in "higher power" is meaningless expression as it can mean anything, what we only care is if they believe in god.
"So the claim that the majority of scientist are atheist really doesn't hold water."
It does when you learn to read graphs.
ONLY one of 4 sections belongs to theists, 2 of those belong to atheists, and last one to neither. So 33% theists, 59% atheists and 7% undecided. Welcome to reality, majority of scientists are atheists. Shocker, isint it?...
"But I'd say the majority of atheist scientist were probably atheist before they started studying their fields, so correlation once again is not causation"
False, and that would make little to no sense and would only hurt your own position... By your logic here due to the fact that your failure to read graphs would indicate that we have atleast 41% of atheists from all scientists while only having 5% of atheists from entire population, so basically atheists are so good at science that they will beat odds like hell. Right? You do realize that you just implied this?
And no, most people believed in a god at some point in their live, fact remains simple, smarter you are more likely you will stop believing in this empty assertion some ancient book made. Nothing complicated here.
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@patrikioskoskinas3308
"If I didn't think there was a god and I was to be killed for it I would speak up and fight for what I thought was true."
Well if you want to die, then yea, this is the way to go, but if you want to actually continue living and continue, for example, your scientific work, you will be quite and you will say that you believe in this locally believed imaginary friend. Its not rocket science you know...
"stating 49% were atheist and 51% believed in something"
Believing in something doesn't make you theist... Like seriously... Will have to copy paste question here for you to realize how much you failed "Who don't believe in god, but believes in universal..." key part is the beginning of it, people who dont believe in god, that's ATHEIST. Welcome to reality.
"They never spoke about aliens "
Yes, and they never spoke about god either... Because question was about people believing in higher power, which isint a god, just higher power... For some aliens can be higher power, for some black holes could be, but its not the point here, point is that they dont believe in god...
"if we're counting aliens I think a lot more atheist scientist would believe in aliens."
Quite few do, maybe even majority, including theists.
Life can originate on itself from one life materials, we know this for a fact at this point. And we know that there are billions of solar systems in our galaxy and there are billions of galaxies in our observable corner of the universe, so it would be naive to say that we are the only life form in entire existence...
"Scientist make up a very small percentage of the population"
And? What was my original point?... Was it related in any shape of form in how many scientists we have?... Are you grasping straws now?
"atheist are more likely to go into science therefore they end up making up a larger percentage of that field than they do the population"
Its like atheists could have higher average IQ or something... Its like people who does science are not that easily brainwashed with religious nonsense... Its like exactly what I said at the beginning... Which is weird, as you dont even realize that you are saying that i'm correct in what I said but at same time you think that you actually disagreeing with me...
"I don't think you really thought that point all the way through."
Irony is strong with theists.
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@patrikioskoskinas3308
Damn... You dont even know what agnostic is... Ok, short educational thing here. Theist is someone who believes in god(s), A-Theist is NOT that, its by words structure where you add "A" and it becomes not what original words means, in this case its "someone who doesn't believe in god(s)".
Now, gnosticism addresses your knowledge, theism addresses your beliefs. Those are separate labels... For example, i'm agnostic atheist, which means that i don't believe in god and i don't claim to have knowledge about his existence.
So going back to the pool. 2 out of 4 categories are for atheists, those which indicate people who "DON'T believe in god" puts them automatically into category of atheists, because this is what atheists is... Do you get it now?
And just FYI you are not stupid, you are brainwashed, there is huge difference here. Just notice how long it takes for you to admit that you have been wrong on such basic thing here which was in front of your eyes and you even started to create excuses for it even tho it wont even affect your beliefs or your religion. Why is that?
I was theist, my IQ dint changed when I deconverted, what changed is my understanding of the world, my critical thinking. You are just an echo of your religious upbringing, you are not talking as a person, you are just blindly repeating and defending your religion just because it said you to do it.
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@patrikioskoskinas3308
"so agnostic just means without knowledge"
So exactly what I said... gnosis, its about knowledge, that research was done about beliefs and not knowledge... That second category addresses belief in god... Not knowledge... Yet you wanted to put them into agnostic category for some weird reason... Why? If you know what this word means, then why the hell you tried to do it? At best it would have been agnostic atheists in that second category, which doesn't change a tiny bit what I said... Majority of scientists are atheists... We are not talking about their knowledge here, we are talking about their beliefs, aka theism/atheism.
So will try to ask again. How many atheists do you have based on that research? Stop dodging this question and be honest for this tiny moment in your life. Count percentages, add them up and answer.
"and then I started reading philosophy which made me realize the folly of atheism especially after reading aristotle"
Funny enough majority of philosophers are atheists. Why is that?
"but you didn't consider that a person has the ability to believe because they think for themselves."
You cant think for yourself because you intentionally or not cant even admit to be wrong on such tiny thing. You have facts in front of you, you have basic 3 numbers you fail to add up properly and you keep avoiding to admit that most scientists are atheists. So what's going on here exactly? You being dishonest intentionally or is this some subconscious thing you are not even aware of?
And just FYI no idea how you used philosophy to get to conclusion that "folly of atheism" when atheism is just rejection of god claim and nothing more... You have claim you cant support with evidence, heck, you cant even provide sound and valid argument that he is real, but for some reason you think that rejecting empty assertion is a "folly"? Care to elaborate on that?
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@jacksmith-mu3ee
"I simply showed there no pixies die to lack of evidence"
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
We are talking about literal magical pixies which can use magic to hide behind your keyboard without you being able to detect them. So your "counter" argument makes ZERO logical sense.
"If you think I am wrong (you don't) them show pixies "
Why should I show you pixies? This convo with you started when you demanded OP to show TF wrong, my point was that this is not how burden of proof works. We don't need to show TF wrong, TF needs to show to be correct.
"F@rts won't work on vacuum due to lack of pressure"
? That's not how farts work... And those are, obviously, magical farts. You don't even understand how magic works...
"0 understanding of science"
Och, sweet summer child, I can bet I know more about science than you do, but again, we are not talking about science here, we are talking about MAGIC.
By the way, please, explain scientifically why farts could not work in a vacuum, because as of my knowledge farts would be higher pressure gas going to lower one throught your buthole. Maybe you tried to imply that there wont be a sound due to vacuum, well, then, have you ever heard of silent farts? And due to the fact that there would be expelled gas during farting you would have medium where sound waves could be formed, aka making it a legit farting by all criteria you cold come up. Now, which part did I got wrong here MR. science guy?
"Also in your previous comments you didn't mention any shovels or house"
It was implied when I mentioned magic...
" thanks for contradicting yourself. "
? That's not how contradictions work... I said that universes ws farted out by magical pixies, I never said where they were locale at when they did it... Can't you even read? Doesn't TF cult not have school were it teaches basic reading skills?
"Bcz magic doesn't exist . "
Prove it.
"Standard musk bots believing in magic"
Is this magic in a room with us right now? Its like you failed so much with your own argument that his is what's left for you to do, sad, honestly this is just sad to see people like you being so desperate.
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Yes, please... Consider ALL factors here... And people who consider all of them come up with number which says that Hydrogen cars produce more pollution over its life time in comparison to BEV's. Welcome to reality.
Hydrogen isint some magical thing you could scoop out of thin air, you actually need to produce it... So you need around 60% more electricity to move your car same distance as BEV's. So that means you will need 60% more power plants. Then you have issue with actually producing hydrogen, ideal you would use distilled water, but that one is expensive. Then maybe fresh water, which is in quite high demand already in quite few parts in the world, so not ideal even then. You can't really use ocean water due to its composition. But lets say you can actually produce it in reasonable amounts. Now you need not only to store it, but to transport it to the fueling stations, then store it there. So you need complex refueling stations which cost arm and leg to build and maintain. Then you have issue with hydrogen tanks literally having expiration dates written on them, it's around 5 years. Then you have expiration date on fuel cell...
Its not all sunshine and rainbows you know...
And just FYI, modern car batteries no longer uses cobalt and biggest lithium supplier is Australia while US is ready to start mine its own on its own land, which on itself isn't that damaging to environment.
On top of this, you can recycle batteries more or less fully and reuse materials for a new batteries more or less indefinitely.
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@TheArb6
smartphone vs electric car isint the same. Its like saying that you are forgetting to refuel your car and you get stuck in the middle of the road, well, you are not. You sit in your car, you see remaining distance you could travel, if its enough, you are just leaving and forgetting about it, if not, then you will plan to refill, same as with ICE cars, you would either recharge at home or you would visit charging station in case you forgot to do it at home for multiple days in a row. Just a reminder that BEV's usually have over 300miles of range, so you would need to be heavy user to have this issue or you would need to constantly forget to plug in your car when you come back home.
Car isint smartphone, you comeback home, you simply plug it in and it remains that way until you go out. With smartphone, well, that one tends to constantly move around, in your pocket or anywhere else, being left alone for long periods of time and so on, so yes, you can forget to charge your phone, but its alot harder to do the same with a car.
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@JiForceful
So like I just said... "none issue created by people who doesn't understand what they are talking about" Hydrogen stations are completely different from current gas ones... You will need to redo EVERYTHING in it... Nothing is compatible with Hydrogen stations. So should we invest trillions in remaking all those ticking bombs? Or can we invest some money in improving electrical grid? Which... If you didn't know, electrical grid is being expanded by some rate constantly, introducing electrical cars would only slightly increase its expansion rate, nothing more...
Hydrogen car's uses like double the energy to drive same distance. So to offset that you will need additional power plants. Not much changes there. Then you have expenses where you have to either transport Hydrogen from huge plants or try to produce it locally. But you know what? Hydrogen leaks... Its basically impossible to make completely sealed container for Hydrogen to remain in one, it leaks and it goes into atmosphere. We have ZERO natural hydrogen, all of it needs to be produced from fresh water, which is already in high demand, so it's not like it would be a good idea to eliminate bunch of that just to power our cars.
Storage of Hydrogen is extremely complicated thing, you either store it in gas form, which will be tiny amount, or you do it in liquid form which need to be chilled to extreme temps under extreme pressures, not something you would want to have across entire city...
In short, Hydrogen cars will never be a thing for regular cars, at best it can become some niche thing for factories or somewhere where energy density is most important thing to have, which is not a lot of areas.
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@JiForceful
One hydrogen station costs around 2million (lower end), there are around 150 000 gas stations in US alone, its higher number, but whatever. So to replace those you would need around 300 000 000 000 bucks, for US alone, for stations only. This would increase quite a bit for bigger Hydrogen stations. But yea, 300 billion, for US. Hard to say how many gas stations in entire world, but you will go past few trillion to upgrade all of them.
Power grids are generally localized, you wont need fat ass cables across entire planet to charge EV's... Heck, you can charge one from your solar panels which are on your roof...
EV's will happen, Hydrogen will not, it's only question how we solve existing small issues surrounding transition towards EV's
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Fun fact, Hydrogen cars uses around 60% mor electricity to drive same distance as BEV's, so no, its not zero emissions. There is equally 0% of pure hydrogen on earth, ZERO PERCENT. Which means that 100% of it needs to be produced in one or the other way, currently most common way is natural gas, which isn't zero emissions, obviously.
And while some BEV's could be stranded, funny enough those are simpler save than hydrogen cars, after all you can't just pump few KG's of hydrogen into car from canister, you would need quite expensive and dedicated hydrogen compressor to fill that tank. Not even talking about the fact that you can charge BEV from basically any wall socket, while you can ONLY refill at dedicated hydrogen stations. Go figure.
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Actually hydrogen makes more profit than BEV's and big corps would have more control over you with you having additional maintenance costs.
Hydrogen cars contain multiple highly pressurized hydrogen tanks which are extremely flammable.
Hydrogen cars have literal expiration dates on their tanks printed out due to hydrogen embrittlement. Around 5 years. Fuel cells have its own too, that one is around 8 years. Good luck replacing those.
Charging times for BEV's can be as low as 10 minutes and that time only going down. Unless you as everyone else who doesn't understand reality thinks that you have to charge your car from 0% to 100% every single time, then yes, it will take longer, but this should only be done when you actually need that extra range for some reason, but then you can simply charge your car at home from wall socket overnight...
BEV's and hydrogen cars have around same amount of carbon footprint, in some cases hydrogen has more.
Biggest lithium provider is Australia and now there will be lithium mines in US. So none argument.
Hydrogen lacks power and convenience. Check any hydrogen car and check its interior volume, its abismal...
Yes, hydrogen is extremely expensive, like 5 times more expensive than electricity.
Hydrogen isn't carbon free, you need around 60% more electricity to produce amount of hydrogen to move same distance. On top of this, you need extensive supply and storage infrastructure which will produce crap ton of carbon on itself.
Maybe it can be as fast, but its not.
It can reach range as BEV's, but you will sacrifice interior space.
Refill is fast if you are the first in the line, otherwise you will be waiting 15 minutes until system pressurizes.
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@williammeadows3965
So every single translator who translated bible from original Hebrew is wrong by you then? I will suggest for you to go and fix it before making a claim that it actually should be different thing than it actually says... Will make it simpler for you.
"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "
"Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) "
""He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)""
""He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)""
""Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)""
""that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)""
""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)""
All of those implies that earth is flat, your best thing you have to say that bible says that earth is sphere would be Isaiah 40:2 where you would pick different translation option which fits with reality better independent that actual expert scholars used different word for it.
Bible was written by ignorant people from that time, so its not surprising and natural to see that people implied that earth is flat because it was common belief at that time. There is no real reason to defend that in any shape or form. You have bigger issues with bible than making statements about earths shape.
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@williammeadows3965
"Most languages lose something going from one language to another it is the way of things"
Correct, yet actual expert scholars used word "circle" instead of "sphere"... Why? Maybe because this is more accurate word from a context? You might not like it because it contradicts actual reality, but again, it was written by ignorant people so mistakes are expected.
"Which is why U have to go back to the original languages to see what they really say"
So you want to claim that actual scholars made mistake translating?... Why are you here then? Go and fix bible...
"In the original language it say Sphere"
In original it says word which can be translated to circle or sphere or few other meanings. So on what basis you want to claim it to be "sphere"?
"We globe not a pancake. The old ones knew this."
They don't. Book of Isaiah is from 8 century BCE, while first globe model appeared around 3 century BCE in Greece. It wasn't common knowledge that earth is globe for long long time... And due to wage verses you "forgot" to address which talks about earth having pillars, corners and so on, its clear that people who wrote those verses thought that earth is flat.
Again, your best argument here is that one word might be translated to sphere if you use different translation meaning while actual scholar experts disagree with your personal opinion... C'mon...
"If U really need to believe the Earth is flat then U go a head then U go a head and believe that"
When did i said that i believe that earth is flat?... Earth is a sphere, oblate spheroid to be more accurate, but that doesn't change the fact that bible implies earth to be flat.
" U can also believe there are workshops at the north pole too"
Says some one who believes in wizards and magic because book said so.. C'mon... Lets not make insults... Och wait, too late.
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@williammeadows3965
"to call Ancient people primiive is very arrogant on your part"
Its not arrogance, its a fact. People at that time knew least amount about reality than at any time after that. Our knowledge increases with time, so in comparison to todays world they have been primitive.
Most people at that time dint even know how to write or read... If this is not primitive for you then i have no idea what is...
"They were a lot smarter than u are"
How? And on what basis would you claim that?
"Cirlcle does mean globe"
Circle by DEFINITION means flat disk. Avoid making shit up to justify something.
"the four corners means the four direction"
Making shit up.
"I must have stuck a nerv with u when i started using scripture"
No one struck my nerv, you can get annoying if you start spitting random silly nonsense. And scriptures are completely irrelevant, like completely... Bible is book of fables, its worthless when it comes to reality. So when i see some one quoting bible like it has any worth, its just annoying.
"I was mearly showing the the Bible says the Earth is a globe"
Which is incorrect, which what i was explaining to you. Bible doesn't say that earth is a globe, bible implies it to be flat.
There is another story in your bible where it says that you can see entire earth from big tree/mountain which is only possible if earth is flat.
"Now in your mind if it needs to be a flat disc okay. The rest of us know it is a globe"
You seam to not even read anything i write here... Earth is a globe... I know... I'm not flat earther... Will repeat: I'M NOT FLAT EARTHER. Surprised? Because i'm not.
"Arguing back and forth is not going to change that"
Correct, even after weeks of us arguing here bible will still say that earth is flat, that wont change as much as you would like it.
"At the end of the day you are still going to have your beliefs and I will still have mine."
Yet only one of us have rational beliefs based on reality.
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@jackwillson9797
"That's exactly how the Nazi's lost so badly in WW2 at the later phases of the war, they stretched all the way across Europe without good supply lines, exactly what Ukraine is doing now."
Except that its not WW2 times where it would take weeks to resupply front lines. Movement of Russian army is known all the time, so it Ukraine wont suffer from some surprised attack. While this push was quick and there was brief time when Ukraine front lines dint had much of a support from back, this window closed in few days and that's that.
"That is, of course, assuming that the Russian retreat was actually a panic retreat and not a pre-planned tactical retreat."
They left ALLOT of ammunition and military equipment, this was panic retreat. If it was planned one then they would have taken ammunition with them and would never left military equipment without destroying it as a worst case scenario. I mean, attach grenade to ammunition box, attach longer rope to take out pin and you are done, they dint even done this, so it wasn't planed, they just realized that this war is stupid and they will be killed if they stay there, so it was panic retreat to save their asses.
"And in that case, Ukraine gonna have a big trouble in advancing."
Not as big as Russia will have trying to defend it. Ukraine is pushing back currently, steady pace with additional blitz moves. Entire Blitz stopped at the river, so Ukraine cant progress further as fast as before and Russia cant push back due to lack of access point where Ukraine only needs to concentrate on specific points to defend entire region. But Ukraine already got control over a territory on another side of river, so when reclaimed region gets cleared out of remaining scattered Russian troops Ukraine will march forwards. Or, Ukraine will push forwards on another point. As this information wont be disclosed to the public for obvious reasons we can only sit and wait, but it doesn't look to good for Russia here.
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@jackwillson9797
"It nonetheless opens a time length for Russians to organize themselves while Ukraine is resupplying themselves"
Too late for that, and Russia left quite a bit of ammo for Ukraine while doing this panic retreat, so no need to wait for resupply.
"Once Ukraine is done, Russia is well ready to pounce back and counter the counter-offensives."
When will that happen? Like seriously, how much territory Ukraine should take back before you can say that Russia screwed over here?
""A lot" is a relative term, dependant on who you are referring to"
I'm referring in general sense. Planned retreat will not leave any ammunition. Panic retreat will leave everything they cant carry in a hurry, which what happen here.
"Like how Ukrainians like to claim that they have "taken back 6000 squared km" to make it sound like it's big, and while it's true, it's less than 80km squared."
? Nothing you said here made any real sense... Its 6000 squared km... so its area of 80x80km, its big chunk... And the fact remains that Russians had to leave their defensive positions and run away, was it 6000 or 100 squared km.
"Yeah, as if the Americans in the retreat from Afghan certainly did destroy their military equipments and ammunitions..."
Cool whataboutism you have here.
"Maybe they were wasteful/careless like the Americans? "
So what you are saying that Russian army is incompetent?
"Maybe they didn't think the capturement of the equipment is vital to them, or to the Ukrainians for that matter, as the ammunitions and weapons might not match, and they might not be experienced in using Russian weapons."
So what you are saying is that Russian army is dumb?
"Maybe they intended to make a facade that they are having a panic attack? "
So what you are saying is that Russia likes to look like cowards?
"Maybe they were anticipating either a small managable force or an entire onslaught and abandon at the latter?"
So what you are saying is that Russian army is incompetent?
"Maybe it would be too much to carry back alongside the retreat?"
So what you are saying is that Russian army has no real supply lines? Which would make them incompetent.
"1. If ammunitions/equipments are easy to destroy, they could've easily had one retreating throw the grenade and run away causing the entire ammunition depot to explode in a chain-reaction (or at least rendering most unusable)."
Yes, they could have, but they dint, so either Russian army is incompetent to even destroy ammunition to avoid it falling into enemy hands or they had no time to do it while running away. Pick your poison.
"2. These are professional soldiers,"
Riiiiiiiight, professional soldiers... That would mean that they got scared and run away as professional soldiers would know to destroy military equipment and ammunition before leaving it to enemy... So either they are not professional soldiers or once again, they dint had time to do their professional stuff while running for their lives. Which one was it?
"And can they even retreat without orders from the higher commanders?"
Yes, because its not real war, they can literally turn around and go home without any LEGAL punishment. If this was officially a war then every single soldier would need to fallow their commanders say so, but as this isint real war (by Russians) then they can run away like little children and no one will care.
"As they have been known for staging several "corpses in Bucha""
Och, conspiracy theories... This will be fun.
"since there is a video where one of the "corpse" stood up after the truck containing the camera passed by and decided that he is done being dead as seen in the reflection of the truck."
Then I guess you will have no trouble providing this video link? Right?
And side thing: If you have enemies around you, your best bet to pretend to be dead, but as you will DEFINITELY provide link to this video, we can talk about it after I see it, to have better understanding about what you are talking here.
"Lastly, we aren't even accounting the possibility that Ukrainians might've staged it."
And like... WTF should this even mean? Staged what? Russians running away?... Or left Russian equipment and ammo? Why would they even bother doing this? Rest of the world already supports Ukraine, so why would they risk doing something like this? Why is it so hard for you to believe that Russia is so shit when it comes to war? You have war which should have ended in 3 days which now is at like 210th day with Russia running away from occupied territories and you think that Ukraine is lying here?... How brainwashed are you?
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@samzx81
I could sadly make a prediction how Putin would try to save his ass and stop this war without losing it... Destroy nuclear plant in Ukraine... use that as excuse to retrieve all their soldiers like they are good guys and it's not because they are starting to lose this war.
" Also I don't agree with your assertion that they wouldn't have had the same sanctions put on them."
Sanctions came along way later and way after it was clear that Russia isint taking Ukraine in 3 days. If Russia took Ukraine, then thats that. Some sanctions might have been applied, but not on this scale as it would have been after the fact. Now its a punishment for Russia while at same time keep pointing out that if you continue we will increase sanctions more and more.
"You think if they took over all of Ukrain in a few days that the counties that have sanctioned them would have just gone "oh well I guess there's no need to sanction them now.""
Not what I said... I said that sanctions would have been applied but not on this scale.
Will try to make basic analogy here: You see someone beating another person, but you are too far to help directly, what you can only do it point out that continuing to do such thing will result in punishment. Longer that lasts more and more things you will come up to punish that person who keeps beating someone, because we are humans and we tend to become more and more angry/passionate if we see same crime over and over again. If you put video of this on internet you will get astronomic support behind this, especially if it's continue happening. If that was only basic beating and you just found out about it after the fact, then that's that, you will call police and people might get general punishment and no one would care much about it as it happens from time to time.
Entire support to Ukraine came later on, after invasion was weeks old, people gathered together, people got more and more pissed about what Russia is doing, more and more support started to flow, more and more people started to talk about harsher sanctions and so on. That's how humans work, not perfect, but better than nothing.
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@danielkotzer636
Wait, are you one of those who thinks that it's possible to have hydrogen on demand?
To address some points you made here, while you can use different combustible gases in engines, every single one needs something slightly different, while with hydrogen that list of needs is extra long. Have you ever heard of hydrogen embrittlement? It's a thing where hydrogen will eat through metals its in contact with, this is why all hydrogen tanks are being coated with ceramics, which helps out with that, but doesn't resolve issue entirely. Considering that, you will need special engine made of special metal alloy which is more resistant to hydrogen embrittlement, which means that you can't just use any engine out there, atleast not for longer use times. Even ceramic coated hydrogen tanks have literal expiration dates printed on them and you will HAVE to replace them after few years.
Will try asking again, what was actually wrong in this video and why? Like actual tell me which statement you are addressing here and what is the "correct" answer.
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@danielkotzer636
"There is a material from which hydrogen balloons can be made, but whoever made them was forbidden to sell them because it is a "military secret""
And your source for this is...? "Just trust me bro"?
" I guess for the engine as well, after all the engine is almost never exposed to hydrogen, it reaches the piston and immediately burns."
In which magical way do you think this hydrogen would reach engine? And i'm hoping here that you do know how engines actually work... Right? One cycle to draw in hydrogen into cylinder and then compress it, next one would be the burning one and excusing remains from that combustion, so you have half of the cycle not only with hydrogen in it, but with compressed hydrogen... So yea, you are obviously wrong here.
"There are welding machines that use electrolysis to produce hydrogen and immediately it burns"
Cool beans, now, did you noticed slight difference between this welding machine and a car? Maybe that electrical cable going to the wall?...
Will make it really simple for you. To make 1 kg of hydrogen you will need 2kg of hydrogen, and no, those numbers are not backwards. You will need twice as much hydrogen to use it as energy source to produce half of it as return, and this is only for self production, this doesn't even include ability to use any excess for actual car propulsion and this is with hydrogen fuel cell technology which is twice the efficiency of combustion engines. Do you see potential issue here?
"if they didn't find a solution for it, they wouldn't sell it"
Every single part in your car has some sort of expiration date as it wears down naturally, difference between hydrogen tanks and those parts is that hydrogen tank wears out based on time. Just like there are no instructions to replace any part you buy, there might not be one specifically for the tank, but you should actually check tank itself as it should have expiration date printed on it.
"but not to claim that it is not possible as in this video"
No one said that it's not possible, entire issue boils down to it being impractical and extremely expensive to use. This entire video talks about required space for hydrogen only, is it possible to utilize entire interior of the car for hydrogen tanks? Well yes. Would anyone want car like that? No. Same thing with price per mile driven. Cost of maintenance is astronomical due to hydrogen embrittlement. Cost of hydrogen itself is extreme too as we have 0% of it on earth in its pure form, aka 100% of hydrogen needs to be produced.
Hydrogen only sounds cool on paper but doesn't work as viable option in actual reality. You should actually do more research on this topic than just watching AI auto generated videos on youtube on how Toyota is breaking laws of physics because they (video creators) said so...
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@Lux
"Science cannot explain certain phenomena."
Cannot or dint? Science could not explain why you have brown eyes couple hundred years ago... Doesn't mean reason behind your brown eyes is magic...
"they even lock you up without your own consent"
If you are some one who can cause harm to others, then well, there isint any other option here. Ether lock you up or risk in having injured or dead people. Cant say that everyone deserves that who got locked, but when you have unstable mind state its better to be safe then sorry.
"When I was battling with those demons"
You mean when you had broken mind state?
"they imposed me pills when I was clear about the fact that I am christian"
How is you being Christian makes you expert in human brain work? Do you seriously think that being Christian makes you a neurologist or psychiatrist?
"because I know from where it comes from"
Your brains, everything you do comes from your brains... Proven fact from actual reality...
"So what's your point about saying that what science tells you is objective and credible?"
Evidence. While your claim that your fu**ed up state was caused by demons living in spiritual plane is just... Well... Delusions of yours... Tho its just result of your brainwashing done by your parents or local church or whatever did that to you.
"For example, "schiz*******" is not a mental issue, but demonic"
Based on what evidence? Like seriously, do you even know what evidence is? Or reality?
" The victim claim to hear voices"
yes... We have plenty of those... From different religions... Claiming to hear voices from dozens of different sources... Its like they are victims of their own mind making shit up...
Do you even believe that humans can experience hallucinations? Now i'm just curious here...
"but Jesus after a lot of prayers and certain spiritual procedures."
So when you will break your leg you will not go to hospital but you will pray and it will get healed? Or not? When does your praying actually works? Can we test it? Because some one already did test pray, it failed... Miserably...
"Believe what you want, this is my testimony and some people know about my spontaneous change."
And some people say that Elvis is still alive and some say that they got abducted by aliens and some say that forest pixies are real because they seen them with their own eyes... So i guess we should believe ALL of them just because they say that its true... Well sorry, this is not how reality works.
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@Lux
4 long comments?... And then you accuse me of not addressing your every single claim... C'mon... I have better things to do then writing essay on youtube comment sections...
"Redundant. Check the meaning of "ancestor", we humans use it."
? You claimed that by evolutionary view we evolved from monkeys, this is factually wrong, its not redundant, its just wrong... Humans and monkeys share common ancestor, that doesn't mean we came from monkeys...
"you claim is the ardipithecus ramidus (a monkey, check)"
Ardipithecus ramidus is not a monkey, its a primate... Check...
"So, basically, we have animal features because our (great(x1M)-grandmother) experimented with one of them? "
What the what now? We are animals, by definition of animals, we are animals. We don't have features of animals, we are animals... Check...
"Do I?"
Yes.
"graphical explanation (which is more accurate) shows the EVOLUTION of a monkey becoming a man"
Once again, false. Not a monkey, primate. You could say it was an ape, that that would actually be redundant, because humans are apes. So yea... You not only have no idea what evolution is but you have no idea what some words mean...
""Who did create you?" lethal weapon is: "no, we are descendants of the monkeys". LOL"
First of all, that's a loaded question. Who said that we are created? Second, cherry picking random atheists who miss use word are not representation of atheism or evolution in general... If you have some one saying that we evolved from monkeys, then they are factually wrong. So i have no idea what are you getting to here. I can point you to theists who says that magical forest pixies are real, does that mean its your position too?... Lets talk between us and avoid bringing up some one else... Otherwise you will loose even more then you did already.
"According to the dictionary, it means gradual change and there is no such thing as passing from one specie to another."
Just a friendly suggestion to you. When you try to present definition of a word, actually present definition of a word... Like this
Evolution: "is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations"
Speciation is just a label put on groups of animals which cant inter breed. And we have actual speciation recorded. Check "ring species" or fruit fly experiment...
And just FYI your personal opinion doesnt define reality. Present evidence that change in gene pool cant result in speciation. I will wait.
" The caterpillars are born insects and even when they pass metamorphosis to become butterflies, they are still insects"
? Insect is not even a species... Its a whole category... Like mammals... Or fish... And you terrible understanding what evolution is, is just... sad...
"Even in the animal kingdom itself, cats don't turn into tigers"
Yes, because that would be stupid... Luckily this is not what evolution says to be true... Who could known...
" So I'm not wrong when I refer to hominid theory as a "mutation""
What? Theory is a mutation? What the what now? Do you speak english?
"I didn't call it that way, your illuminated scientists did."
I have no idea what you called it, but it was as scientific as to call Ardipithecus ramidus a monkey... Damn...
Ok, as you can see, even one comment resulted into esey. Will not bother to address anything else. Lets stay on ONE topic.
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@Lux
"Repeat with me: humans and monkeys share a common ancestor."
Yes, and whats your point? You repeating what i said...
"Why are we humans related to animals?"
Humans are animals. Dint you get that first time i said it? How many times i need to repeat same thing before you understand it?
"do we have a shared gen because of our grand(x1M)-father had king kong complexes?"
We have shared genes, not one, quite few of them, because we have common ancestor.
"I'm glad those we mention here are theories, imagine if they were universal laws."
Och, you one of those.... Sorry, dint realized that you dont even understand what scientific theory is... Sorry about that... Well, homework for you then: learn what scientific theory is.
If you fail with next replay, i can educate you, just to make you look less ignorant on basic things.
"It's a fact gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, whatever... don't turn into humans."
evolutionary
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@Lux
"I made a question, so stop making assumptions, develope your texts."
Ironically i have no idea what was your question as you never developed your own text properly... Irony...
" That assumption makes me realize how traumatized you are after watching Tarzan a lot of times."
What? Tarzan is a animated movie (original one) which depicts fictional story. Tho i have no idea why should i be traumatized... Can you develop your text more properly? Like actually explain why should i be traumatized?
"Oh really? so tell the scientists to stop categorizing us as exclusively humans"
? Just because you got categorized as human doesn't mean you don't share same genes as other animals.... Damn... Your sentence makes as much sense as for me to complain that house and motel doesn't share similar things when they have different labels... They are different, but at same time they have similar stuff in them... Same as Humans and monkeys are different but share quite allot of same DNA...
"(because as far as I know there are 3 kingdoms)"
? Are you trolling here? Like seriously, are you just trying to troll me here? Well i will assume that you are, you cant be that ignorant...
"or to invent a new word to define a mixture between an animal and a human"
That's how reality works... We literally are making labels to separate one animal from another... bonobos have 98.7% DNA what humans have. That tiny 1.3% defines them as different species and due to that bonobos got different labels than humans... Its just a label...We are always putting it on a new species we discover even if it looks like another, if it cant interbreed, its a new species for which we will make a new word... Welcome to reality...
"I am going to use my ace up my sleeve to challenge and expose science"
I can bet this will be gooooood!
"Yes, then if it's a LAW, explain why the members of the rainbow flag (code words) break that supposed LAW."
Yeap, i was correct, this one was a gooooood crazy one.
"Yes, they can't explain it because demons hate original nature and love to create chaos"
Wait, dint you just tried to make a joke by saying "Yes, you love fairy tales a lot. " and you continue this with talks about demons?! Ok...
"So, they will never finish developing that answer because science doesn't believe in demons."
Yes, stupid questions should not be answered, just a waste of time.
"And going back to the main theme "what I don't see or touch doesn't exist", I already beat you apparently."
I dint see that... Where was it? Can i touch it?
"You don't see the wind and oxygen, but you feel them going in and out of your nose, PERIOD."
Yet i can detect wind and oxygen, measure it and so on. And in general, you can touch wind (like literally, wind creates pressure difference which is same thing as touching) and i can touch oxygen, ever seen liquid oxygen? What about solid oxygen? PERIOD.
Damn, that was easy do demolish your card house. Lets do it again!
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@Lux
"Go back to school and then you will to be able to conclude an idea."
I see you have experience with that...
"atheists die and nobody will remember them"
Which is obviously false statement. Do you remember guy named Stephen Hawking? That one was an atheist... What about Christopher Hitchens? Atheist and his name will is remembered and will be.
So yea, you are wrong, again.
"meanwhile God's name"
God is just a label, abstract label. Zeus is a god too, yet you would not say that he is same as god you believe in. And making argument from popularity will not get you anywhere. You would know this is you ever went back to school and learned some basics about reality.
"What happens here is that some people like you are angry because he doesn't save children that are suffering right now"
Och no no no, i have no anger towards Voldemort, i dont have any towards your god ether. I LITERRALY dont believe that he is real, i cant be angry about his actions... Do you even understand what atheism is?...
"Life is well designed"
First of all, who said that its designed? And second, life is good at killing people... Do you know what average life expectancy was like 2000 years ago? Around 30 years... Do you know what it is right now? 72.6 years. Do you know why? Science. Due to progress in science we have learned how to live longer and better lives, not because your sky wizard did something, but because humans learned how to do shit.
"the problem is that a rebel angel wants"
The problem is that you still presuppose that magic is real without actually proving that it is...
"you're fleshly and I am spiritual"
? Are you saying you are not human? If i damage your brain, will you remain you? What is the difference between being this "fleshy" and "spiritual"? Is this just a mental state? Belief system?... C'mon... Use your own advice "Go back to school and then you will to be able to conclude an idea."
"flesh dies and spirit not, because it's energy."
PROVE IT.
"Demons won't show their horrible faces if they don't possess a body"
PROVE IT.
"but they can fly around a house breaking objects"
PROVE IT.
"they're fallen angels who turned themselves into demons "
PROVE IT.
"Their energies stay in the earth's crust and they can go up and down as long as humans want."
PROVE IT.
"that's the purpose of the devil, to corrupt you"
Does that mean that devil is more powerful then your god or your god just like to watch how devil does this to humans? It needs to be one of those options. Well, presupposing bunch of shit before hand, but if we do, you have to pick one of those.
"The consequences of the path you chose will be yours, not mine, I already warned you."
Why does this sound more like a threat? You cant even prove anything you said to be true, yet you are here saying that i should believe you because otherwise i will be punished... C'mon...
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@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI
Because of news articles like "Car runs on water" or "Hydrogen is the cleanest solution" or anything like that while never actually looking any deeper into it. I was on same boat and was thinking that hydrogen is the answer for everything, but after few videos and some research realized that there is a reason why hydrogen never become a thing, it ONLY sounds cool on paper and its only saving grace would be to use it on a bigger equipment where you have plenty of spare space, like buses, semi, trains, boats, maybe even planes, but passenger cars... Well, it's just doesn't work. Too many issues and complications surrounding this entire tech for it to win against BEV's and at the moment we need to transition away from petroleum based cars, transitioning to hydrogen makes no sense due to those same complications, its just more complicated and more expensive solution which could have only worked as a short term solution while we transition to BEV's, but its too late for that too, we are transitioning to BEV's and hydrogen become just some weird middle man which never got utilized.
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@Resomius
I would be more than happy if hydrogen worked as viable option, sadly more you read about it less viable it becomes in your eyes. It's just surrounded by soooooo many issues that it's ridiculous. Like for example one of the biggest issues is hydrogen embrittlement, basically metals in contact with hydrogen will lose their structural integrity over time, this is why all hydrogen tanks in cars have expiration date printed on them, which is like 5-7 years.
Powering your car with fuel produced from water sounds extremely good, this is why news papers usually put titles like "car powered by water" or something nonsensical like that. But it just doesn't work.
Best case would be to use it for bigger equipments, like ships, planes, trains, semi, which would have their own dedicated refueling stations with production plants near them and have their own in house repair to lower costs of maintenance, but its non starter for regular passenger cars.
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@Gottum365
" limitation meaning there's a limit of what you can see with your own two eyes"
And? buy a 1 million telescope, will you be able to see entire US with it?... Nope... Your eye limitation is irrelevant here because we can't see entire earth not because your had bad eye sight, but because we have curvature.
Yet you dint addressed my question, again, why cant we see more than 50% of stars? How the hell does it work when entire sky, from horizon to horizon, is covered with stars but its only 50% of those... How the hell would that work on flat earth?
" we do have Valleys mountains and Hills plus countless trees all of these things could obstruct your field of view"
Yet that doesn't explain why you cant see entire earth from Mount Everest... Or from a plane... Or from anything what flies above your mentioned obstructions... We still have that same limitations which slightly increases with your increased altitude matching 100% to globe model, its like earth is actually a globe...
" but the Earth's curvature I have never seen it but I have seen the flat Horizon"
Horizon is not flat... Get any photo editor, even MS Paint will do... Draw a line representing you as human, then draw a circle in same scale to be 1:1 matching globe model and realize that you need to zoom out quite a bit before you start noticing any curvature in that circle...
And just FYI give me ANY image/video taken from high altitude without fish eye lens distortion and i will show you curvature in that photo, I dare you!
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@afterthestorm7012
"Why do most globe earthers have to get abusive"
Because we are allergic to ignorance.
"while they try to defend the ball earth?"
We dont defend globe earth, we educate people like you about reality. I rarely need to actually prove that earth is globe, 90% of time i have to educate people about basic geometry and basic physics and so on.
"Air pressure because we live under a dome"
Why? Air should be dense equally on all altitudes, why does it have different density? It does make sense on globe earth with gravity, but it makes 0 sense on flat one... What force crates this gradient of presure?
"Here watch these"
Eric Dubay? Are you kidding me?... He is one of the worst ones who tried to prove flat earth... Tho i don't even think he is actually a flat earther but simply makes living from selling snake oil to people like you.
"He has many vids to look at"
And? Quantity is not equal to quality. And instead of pointing to bunch of videos, why would you simply present your best argument from flat earth and lets see if it holds or not?...
"Until you've watched them, stop your aggressive attitude. "
Why do you think that i'm not familiar with flat earhers claims? I can bet i have seen more of them then you did and i can debunk all of them in no time... So present YOUR argument here or go home.
"You're going to look silly, when you finally succumb to the truth."
You have no idea how ironic this one sounds.
"I posted a long reply with videos for you to watch. It all got removed"
Well actually i can see it. But in general avoid making comments with bunch of links, youtube tends to filter those ones out automatically.
"ask yourself why would U-tube do that"
It did not did that... And if it did its a basic content filter to avoid people coming here and posting advertisements. Youtube doesnt care about your flat earth opinion, if it did you would not have Dubay videos on youtube... You do realize that you contradict yourself here? You literally have hundreds if not thousands of videos promoting flat earth on youtube and you think that its removing your comments about flat earth?.... THINK BEFORE YOU POST.
"watch the over 6 hour vodeo"
Are you kidding me?... You seriously think that i will waste 6 hours of my life watching some propaganda when even his first point from any video is demonstrably false?...
"Stop your condescending attitude"
Cant stop myself to talk with people in this way when they think that they are smarter than 98% of human population because Dubay said so... C'mon, lets be real here...
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@afterthestorm7012
"Look, I am being real"
And you ended your comment with a quote from your ancient book... C'mon... Lets be real here...
"There is so much deception in the material that NASA has put out"
Who cares even if this empty assertion of yours was true? Earth is globe not because NASA said it...
"Not one full image of the earth, is real"
Provide method which you used to determine that. Be first flat earther who does that from literally dozens who i asked and 100% of them failed.
"In the earth photos, they are using photoshop, copying clouds"
its called: composites... Just like you have with panorama photos you make with your phone... And not all photos of earth are composites, we do have single shot photos.
"n one of the cloud groups, it says the word "sex", this is no accident"
Seeing recognizable objects or patterns in otherwise random or unrelated objects or patterns is called pareidolia
"Over the years, all the different countries are all different sizes"
yes, because it depends from which altitude you take photo of earth... Should i seriously teach you basic geometry?
"They have supposedly lost the telemetry data, to the moon. So they can't get back there"
Cant go back there? From whose ass you took this information?
"They talk about the big problem of getting through the Van Allen Belt. Yet, supposedly they did it in 1969, in an aluminum can. "
Do you even know what belt is?... Its a strip... If you cant go throw it, you can... Wait for it... GO AROUND IT... What they actually did in 69... They are not lying and not contradicting what happen, you simply failing to understand basic reality... Belt is not a dome, you can go around it... Not so convenient as to go throw it, as you need more time and fuel, but as we cant go throw it, we have to go around it... Do you understand?
" How does a plane land on this moving object 19 mp/sec?"
Basic physics... Conversation of momentum... For same exact reason if you jumped inside of plane which goes at 700km/h you will not be smashed at end of it... Same exact principle... PHYSICS.
"How come a flight from the east coast of the US, to the west coast, take about the same time"
Cha... About... Yea, about, not exact. Travel times are slightly different, you can check any longer flights to both sides and compare times. One way will be slightly faster.
"There are many more questions you should ask yourself, concerning these areas, I have identified"
I did, differently than you i got basic education how physics or geometry work and i know that everything about global earth is correct and doesnt contradict reality. Flat earth on another hand... Doesn't even have working model...
"You have no idea of all the information I have seen pertaining to this subject"
Is this information you have seen is similar to what you just presented... Then sorry, but you have nothing.
"Absolutely, nothing YOU can say, will change my mind"
Its called: being closed minded.
You dont care what is true, you simply want it to be true independent if it is. This is literally what you just said. Think about it.
"Calling me names and others"
What names? Which part was insulting to you?
"with my new (approximately 5 years) understanding. "
So basically like i said, 5 year old arguments...
And then you listed bunch of quotes... Ok... Good for you... How this helps your case exactly?
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@Ninjaeule97
If person who watched the video didn't fail to understand why its stupid he would not be asking why its stupid... Right? Its like, in the question itself... When someone asks to clarify why its stupid you should not just say "its obvious, duh" if you respond then actually explain why TF/You think it to be stupid. Not that hard to understand.
I could turn this round and say "TF is wrong here" then you would be like "What did he said is wrong?" and I respond with "Its obvious, duh, just watch video or google stuff up on internet, duh..." Do you see how worthless my response would be here? If it was obvious you would not be asking for clarification for it.
By the way TF said that Spacex will go bankrupt in 2 years, which was like 3 years ago. He made crap ton of mistakes/lying over his hundreds of videos. He no longer has any actual credibility here and anything, and i mean ANYTHING TF says should be actually fact checked.
Like do you remember when he claimed that NASA picking SpaceX vs Russians increases costs, while on the second page of what he referenced was said that picking SpaceX is actually like 4x cheaper? Stuff like that indicates that TF isn't interested in actual reality and objective information, he is just looking for ANYTHING what could look like a bad thing for anything what is somehow related to Musk, this is why he is still crying about hyperloop failure while it never was a thing Musk invested into. But I guess he needs to make living and best way is to make stupid videos rehashing a thing he already said 500+ times before.
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@Ninjaeule97
"I just thought it would be obvious why the Hyperloop was unrealistic from the start"
Hyperloop economically isn't viable, share amount of maintenance would kill any profit or meaning to have one. While general idea works, it just not worth the trouble.
And as always, reminder that hyperloop isn't Musk's project, what you have in mind is Las Vegas loop, which is different thing, tho faces similar issues with it makes little to no economical sense.
"Musk might have proposed Hyperloop to Stop California High-Speed Rail. You can verify that with a quick Google search"
Far left website saying that Musk killed high-speed rail when he had no power to do it? Shocker...
"but even Elon's investors are beginning to question him."
While having stock at highest prices ever?... Doesn't make much sense. And just FYI having few investors who started to question something doesn't actually prove anything, there are ALWAYS someone who is investor and questions things.
"If you think everything TF said should be scrutinized why not apply the same logic to Musk?"
Who said that it isn't the case?
" TF said in his video that using Rockets for point-to-point travel on Earth is kind of stupid"
Ok. And? So basically we have 2 main "arguments" here #1 Musk is late #2 Musk makes some stupid ideas. Ok. And?
Did you know that Edison failed like 1000 times before successfully making lightbulb? Failure is part of progress. Some things might make no sense at the moment, so you will simply invest money and time into it to check if it could work or not, if it doesn't then you no longer pursuing it, if it actually works, well then you have something like reusable SpaceX rockets which now dominates entire space industry.
You have to fail if you want to learn something.
"but if it's just what he recorded for that video, I don't think it was worth the time and money invested"
I heard that he is charging PER video on his patreon, so I think he got his money back.
"Maybe he keeps repeating the same points because people don't seem to listen to him"
No, he keeps repeating points because that creates new videos and new videos generate income for him. It's ALL about money.
TF would take your offer if you did it for free, after all better quality (visually) videos would make him more money, so he could repeat same nonsense over and over again more frequently. After all this entire complain now is "Musk is late"...
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@ronfrederico7251
"Knowing God is real has nothing to do with religion it’s about faith."
Which position you CAN'T take based on faith? Can I say that your entire comment is 100% false based on faith? Because I can, which would mean that your entire argument got demolished by using your own broken rules here.
"My faith and knowledge comes from the Holy Spirit."
Which you cant prove to be true. So what is the difference between your knowledge and some one having delusions?
"Your the one claiming to have a religion which is based upon your selfish feelings upon a foundation of “me, I , my feelings”"
Isint your entire religion based on the idea that god created everything just for you?
"I have heard about your religion and you did not create it."
Yes, because I dont have religion, so there is nothing to be created.
"Satan is it’s creator and you are blinded by the veil of satan who is the king of lies."
Dint your god created lies? By the way, in bible, garden of eden story, when god says that if Adam eats the apple that he will die and when he doesn't, did god lied?
"God will deal with your blasphemy"
If god cant handle Satan, then he has no chance with me.
And, is this a threat?
"In the end you will be pulling your hair and gnashing your teeth!!!"
Why?
"Don’t respond this is between you and God then you will know He is God."
Which god? You never proved that there is god... So why are you saying all this? Why should I even care what you are saying here while you never proved that anything in your words is worth listening too?
"I’m blocking you"
You might want to read your own book of fables, there is a verse which says that you should obey your master and be ready to present your reasons why you believe, otherwise you will burn in hell, so if you block me you will burn in hell, right? Soooo, using your own religion against you. Explain to me your reasons why you believe. Obey your master!
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@RainbowRising
Hydrogen cars do sound cool, ability to create fuel from water sounds like a dream, we have plenty of that in the oceans... But... At the moment you start diving deeper into all of this you will start realizing why hydrogen cars never became anything more than just someone's expensive hobby and why each time someone tried to push this technology to the masses it just died out, and no its not due to some lizardmen conspiracy... It just doesn't work as alternative.
Like, you can make hydrogen from water, but that process is expensive, from equipment side and from maintenance side and from storage side and so on. We have zero pure hydrogen on earth, ALL of it needs to be produced and that production isn't cheap.
Then you have general issue with energy density per volume, not per kg, but per volume. As people who promotes hydrogen cars likes to say that its most energy dense per weight, while in reality forgetting to mention that its extremely bad when it comes to volume. This is why hydrogen cars usually have 3 huge tanks pressured up to 10 000 psi, which isint a good option to have during car crash or in general. Not only you need expensive sturdy tanks to handle such pressures, you need pumps at refueling stations which could pump this hydrogen at those pressures which drives costs up and makes you fully dependable on refueling stations not only being near you, but actually working.
Och, another thing, going to my previous comment. Each hydrogen tank has expiration date printed on them, not by mileage, but by time. When it expires you will NEED to replace all of them. Same thing with fuel cell itself, tho that one has slightly longer work time.
I think this is enough for now.
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@statinskill
"Hitler was a movement of millions with a million of grievances"
You do know that Hitler was a person in power?...
"I wonder why Germans never did anything to them?"
Red hearing fallacy?
"I'm asking people to critically evaluate information and to distrust"
Thats cool and dandy, but only when you apply this to something what was not factually confirmed... Earth is a globe, thats a fact, you might lack of basic understanding of it, but it doesnt change the fact.
"Alleged, because I really have no way of knowing whether that really happened"
You do know that they left reflectors on the moon which can and are used to measure distance to the moon with lasers? With some basic knowledge an some what expensive tools, as you need relatively powerful laser, you can test that yourself.
Tho this is besides the point. We know that humans can go to space, ISS is prime example of that. Going to the moon isint extremely more difficult than this, so there is no good reason to think that some one would create such conspiracy, there is no point in doing so. Especially when this was done to piss off russians and beat them to the moon. If this was a hoax, Rusians would have happily exposed that to entire world and humiliated US with that. But it never happen, because we actually went to the moon...
"All you have is a bunch of greyish pictures"
Yes, moon landing was in 69... What do you expect, 8k video?...
There are plans from NASA to go back to the moon in 2024, so you might actually get 8k 60fps video from that trip. After all, spacex made space travel allot cheaper now, so we can start planing bigger trips to the moon and eventually to mars.
"And they're not even the originals because NASA supposedly "lost" those"
Is loosing original makes copies fake? Because if this is the case, you might want to talk with Christians, they might be quite unhappy with this view, after all, bible is based on copies of original texts, which would make bible a fake book.
"This singular most notable and exceptional accomplishment of the twentieth century, bug nobody took care to preserve it?"
You do know that we went to the moon more than once?... You do know this?
"my friend are sharp daggers that poke holes into the official narrative"
Not really, well, not at all. In general, nobody cares what some tiny portion of uneducated people claim to be true, reality is independent from those individuals. We might spend some time with them, but in general, moon landing did happen, earth is a globe and what is your personal opinion about that will not change anything.
"And it seems the official narrative is also your personal comfort zone, so I think I'm looking holes into that as well. And I really like that idea."
Lets get this straight, because i'm encountering quite few people like you here. Lets for sake of argument say that: moon landing never happen, NASA lied 100% times, government lied 100% times, there is global conspiracy which is made of 2 billion people. Lets just say that this is the reality, for sake of argument. Even if all this was true, that would NOT disprove shape of the earth. You can dismiss moon landing, dont really care, that doesnt change actual point of this video and this conversation, shape of the earth.
Your attempt to redirect conversation in attempts to present some nick pick and say something like "See, they said that X is true, but its false, so that means that everything they said is lie", sorry, but this is not how reality works. If you want to disprove moon landing, then do that, you will need to disprove every reported moon landing and avoid making irrelevant points about lost tapes from original one... Even if they dint filmed original landing that would not make it false.
So yea, earth is still demonstrably a globe, moon landing is still irrelevant and you still dont have a valid argument here. So whats new?
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@chrisross4898
"Question what are reading or studying from?"
What?
"To call everything you see as false or fake, what kind of education do you have?"
When did I made such claim? And how is my education relevant here? I could be some one who never went to school or some one with 10 Nobel prizes, would not make any difference in what i'm saying here...
" This again lets me know you not to bright"
Riiiiiight, and some one who blindly believes some con artists that there are magical portals because they said so in their paid book is the bright one...
"to me gaia.com is way more accurate to me than everyone in this chat."
Yes, because you have no idea how to evaluate actual evidence or what counts as evidence. I can bet that you cant present any actual evidence for your portal claims, cant you now? And how do you know that their claims are accurate? Because they said so? Have you fact checked their claims or just blindly believing?
"The only reason they make people pay, is cuz they want to oppress the knowledge"
Riiiiiight... Most important information about our universe should be behind paywall... Sounds legit... Not...
"You want too want to suppress people knowledge, saying that not true"
Do i have knowledge behind paywall or your gaia? I'm not suppressing anything. You failure to realize that gaia is just con artists making a buck from people like you is just... Sad... Well, my suspicion is that you have spent on them couple hundred bucks by now and you simply cant face possibility that you might have been conned. Em I wrong here? How much did you spent on their "information"? 10? 100? More than 1000? I dont need exact number, just approximation, if you brave enough to disclose that.
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@carsonkendall1924
"You guys always get hung up on the model.."
Maybe because its a core thing?... If you don't even have model, then everything else flies throw window... I could literally make a claim that earths surface is convex, or that earth is donut or that earth is shaped as unicorn... That will never fly if i cant provide actual model how earth like this could exist while at same time this model would not contradict reality.
" Don't worry about how it works, we will never fully know"
But we do, this is why we know that its a globe. Your ignorance if not proof of anything.
"No one is saying they have it all figured out.."
I do and billions of others...
"You should try and first prove we are on a ball"
Sunset. Boom, done.
"Try and prove the curvature over long distances using the earth curve formula, 8 inches per mile square"
Its a formula for parabola... And where do you insert altitude of observer and observed object in this formula?... Do you see issue here? Do you understand why flat earthers never prove their claim?... You dont even understand what you are trying to defend or debunk... So how could you achieve anything at all...
And lets ignore formula, because its clear that you have no idea how those work, lets simply look at reality, that reality where objects at some distance start to disappear bottoms up over the horizon and even having 1000000x zoom will not bring them back. This is only possible on a globe, not on flat surface. So there you go, another proof that earth is a globe.
" but just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean it can't work or isn't true"
False. Your ignorance is not proof. We have people who do understand how reality works and do understand how to determine shape of earth. Just because you failed on 7th grade geometry doesn't mean that everyone else did too... Smartest people on earth knows that earth is a globe, majority of humanity knows that... So just because you dint understood something in school, doesnt make it false.
"The top reasons are, lack of curvature over long distances"
Which is false.
http://stupidconspiracies.org/misc/toronto.gif
Simple image, we have thousands of those. You are demonstrable wrong here... Still...
"gyroscopes and plane travel in general,"
Gyroscopes in planes compensate for curvature, there are videos demonstrating that...
Planes follow earths curvature due to basic physics... Gravity is a thing too... And if you looked at plane travel on a flat representation of earth, they do look strange, until you put those flight paths on a globe, then you have nice straight lines from point A to point B
"the lack of movement in the stars"
False again... Bernard's star, is one of those which got recorded movement over couple decades. Google that one out.
"and the bible and how that describes the earth."
Who cares what some book says? Bible was shown to be irrelevant for multiple reasons and one of this is that it claimed that earth is flat when its not.
"Check out the michelson morley"
Honestly, i dont care. Ether present your best evidence or dont mention some random people here.... Because i can mention you 100x more of those who will support normal position here... Globe...
"Bedford Level experiment."
Which proves globe... Try again...
So i will ask again, what is the difference between flat earth society and flat earth movement?
You literally presented 101 arguments from every single flat earther i ever encountered, you dint presented anything new here... nothing... Failed on every single point... Exposed your ignorance on basic geometry and math... So i still cant see any difference here...
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You can believe in 2 different self contradictory claims, tho that one is called cognitive dissonance.
Scientific theory is wildly different from just a theory... In science you can't go any higher than a theory, it's the final point in explaining something. To convert it in layman's terms it would be more like "Scientific fact", tho science doesn't like it and used different, more honest, word.
I have no idea what you tried to say about that bar showed across planet... And no idea how that leads to capitalism... Do you even know what science is?
And global warming? What the what now? Going all heads on into woods?
Just under 3000 miles under your feet? JUST? And its more complicated question, at exact center of earth you will have ZERO G's, because gravity is caused by the mass and when you have all this mass all around you in more or less equal proportions, then you will have zero G's at exact center. Digging straight down would lower gravity until it hits Zero, gradually. No idea what that has todo with anything here, but there you go, you got your answer.
G is just acceleration... If there is no acceleration then there is no G forces being applied to you... We are orbiting sun, aka falling towards it, aka experiencing zero G's from it. Moon dos have tiny amount of effect, this is why we have tides, but its so small effect hat you will never notice it on your own. For remaining planets, those are too far and too small to have any actual effect.
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Basic reality? I mean, not even fan boy, CT looks like shit, it was a bad idea on its core, but you not understanding basic numbers doesn't make it garbage. So, TOWING capacity is what? 11000. While vertical load on tong is around 10-15%, well it's rated for 1100, that's 1/10 of TOWING capacity, this is common thing across all towing hitches. So, basic maff for you, limit was 1100, it broke at 10400, that's MORE than 9x of its rated capacity. Do you see how ridiculous you look now?
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@chasleask8533
"Like , can they spell? Do they understand basic grammar?"
You do realize that there are more than one country and more than one language in the world and people you are talking with might not be from your local area?... Its internet... It doesn't have borders... Unless you are in north Korea...
" 'When you go up in a plane you can see the curve' . Go and get a ball and see why you don't"
What the what now? Ball is flat? What the hell did you tried to imply here?
"'Ships disappear over the horizon'. Until you view them through a suitable optical device"
False. Ships which actually disappear over horizon and not those which got too small for you to see will not be broth back into view. This is generic flatardian claim 101 which is as childish as it gets. Disappearing OVER horizon already defines that ship is partially or completely hidden by horizon, getting 10000000x zoom will not make it go back... Do you even know how zoom works?...
" Unlike you people , I haven't made up my mind yet"
Because you are too ignorant on basic reality, like how zoom works...
"That's because I'm extremely intelligent"
Its a joke? Right?
"and I realise that I am not yet in possession of all the facts."
Well you are right about that...
" Consider that I may be stupid"
Och, and we are, all of us consider that.
"Reality ALWAYS makes sense. ...........Unless you're stupid , of course."
Yes, like thinking that we live on flatardia while basic observation of sun with a solar filter which costs 1 buck disproves it...
So yea, globe model is not stupid, your questions are.
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@saumyacow4435
"First of all, the largest cost factor in providing a launch is operations"
Largest cost is the actual rocket. And what does "operations" actually include? Would that include building a rocket?
"If you don't believe me on this you can go google what Peter Beck from Rocket Lab had to say about this"
A guy who is direct competitor says that his competitor isn't doing the right thing? Shocker... I would never thought of this happening...
"Thus you double the size and cost of everything else"
While getting fully reusable upper stage which can be refurbished and reused who knows how many times. Just like how first stage get reused and saves crap ton of money, second stage will do the same.
" If you can't turn the vehicle around quickly, you're paying for a lot of stuff that isn't doing much and requires more money to maintain"
Paying for what? Parking spot? And we yet to get actual times on reusability. Falcon 9 started with months in between re flights, now its like 2 weeks. How long will it take with Starship both stages we yet to see.
"Tiles that fall off."
Do they? Haven't notice any from last 3 flights. And are you still complaining about TEST thing not performing at 100% peak performance? Which part of word "test" you didn't understood? SpaceX is working on optimal solution, at the start tiles were falling off while starship was sitting in the bay, then those were falling off during static fires, then some fall of during launch, now I can't see any of those falling off. Do you see pattern here?
"Stuff that gets overheated"
Again, meaning of "Test"...
"Stuff that needs people to stand on a multi-storey access platform to check out"
Once more... Test... Do you not understand how R&D works? You do a thing, you check what happen with the thing afterwards... R&D... Heck, even basic planes gets regular checks before each flight... What the hell are you even complaining about here?
"And what do you do when your tiles fall off?"
Call TF so the he could make one more clickbait video to drain his fan base from the money, what else, duh...
TEST flights on TEST rocket which uses TEST equipment. Which part of word "test" you fail to understand?
"About 40 tonnes."
Is it tho? And on which build? Current one? With Raptor 2 engines? But can't find any actual reference to support your statement here about 40 ton payload. After all current version still have hot stage which gets ejected which should not be present in final product which adds like 10 tonnes of extra weight.
"But the obsession with full reusability doesn't translate to optimal economics."
Why not? How is recovering upper stage makes it less economically optimal than burning it in upper atmosphere?
And yes, physics will create diminishing return loop which is visible on how many rocket engines starship has in comparison to alternatives, but starship isn't being made to be optimal, its made to be most capable rocket to launch heaviest cargos into space while still being fully reusable, that's the ENTIRE point of it, big ass rocket which is fully reusable. If you want to send 20kg payloads with fully reusable rocket, it might be more economically viable, doesn't mean that its the goal of SpaceX.
"to satisfy elon's Mars delusion"
Just like it was a "delusion" more than a decade ago to have reusable rockets, just look where we are now... If your space company ising using reusable rockets, you are going bankrupt in no time. Clearly something is good with all of this reusability and clearly its achievable.
"The clueless one is you."
Because i'm not just generic Musk hatter like you are?
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@henrycgs
Why would humanoid robot need to be faster? It could be 3x slower and still achieve same amount of work. After all robot like that could work 24/7 while humans have 8 hour shifts. So getting it to 33% of speed would be equal to human speed already.
Robots are way more precise than humans, this is why any task requiring actual precising is being tasked to the robots and not humans.
Like I said, robots can work 24/7
No idea what you mean with being more adaptable. Most tasks are preset ones, you just repeat same thing over and over again, this is especially the case on the factory floor. So teach robot how to do that thing once and it can do it for the rest of its life. if you need for this robot to do something else, just teach him how to do that task, or upload instructions of it into it.
And robots are easier to maintain, and they do not complain, they don't have sick days, or vacations, you don't need HR department for them and so on. Entire maintenance would be a technician or even different service center to fix your robot when it breaks.
Entire industry is already heavily automated with robots, while humanoid robot would be a more universal solution which could use and operate in areas any human can. Basically if you have task performed by human, it could be replaced with a robot. This is especially relevant for repeating tasks and tasks for which building huge automated dedicated robots might not be an option. There are plenty of instances where something needs to be done as specific spot for like an hour then move to another spot and do something else for another, rinse and repeat. You could easily move robot like this between those tasks, you can't do the same with dedicated stationary robots, atleast not that easily.
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@Люба-б7ы
"for Jesus to come come back everything has to be for fulfilled"
Which was said for hundreds of years by those screaming people... You are not original here, everyone said exactly same thing you are saying now, all of them failed, why do you think that you are correct?
"Look back how the world use to be and how it’s now??"
So you think that dark ages have been better times than today's world? WW2? Bubonic Plague from 1346 to 1353? And you think that having corona is worst than that?... Have you ever opened history book?
"Look at how many Christians fallen away from God??"
Thank god... Pun intended. Luckily religions are on downfall and this is mainly due to easy access to information so any empty assertion you will make can be fact checked, just like you claiming that its the worst times we live in can be fact checked and shown to be false in no time.
" Bible predicted it, it will happen so it’s happening."
Bible predicted that in 2022 there will be less Christians? Which verse are you talking about here exactly?
" Keep on waiting and thinking it will get better, it won’t!!!"
And when it does get better, will you become atheist or will you change your tune and simply push this end time date few decades down the line just like every other theist until now did?
"I have a feeling you were also religious person part of those millions that had fallen away from God"
Yes, I was brainwashed into being religious, luckily my parents haven't been hard core believers and we haven't been forced to attend church and similar noesnese, so all this religious nonsense just faded away over the years and one day realized that i'm an atheist.
Getting rid of brainwashing takes time.
"will you still love him in the dark times or not? "
I dont believe that he is real... Why do you even asking me question like that?... Its like me asking "Would you worship Voldemort in dark times?" it just makes no sense...
"How it’s better? Crime has increased, is that called better? "
Global crime rates are basically at its lowest in entire human history... What the hell are you talking about?
"People don’t socialize with each other like they use to, is that called better? "
Like you mentioned before, people change, socialization changed too. Now you can talk with people across entire world without leaving your house, just because you tend to have less eye to eye meatings doesn't change the fact that currently you know more people than before.
And is this seriously your criteria for your Jesus guy to end the world, Facebook?... I mean... Facebook is a cancer, so maybe...
"You can’t go for a walk in a beautiful peaceful night, is that called better??"
You can, if you live in shitty country with shitty community and you cant do that, then yea, it bad for you personally, but in overall its none issue, its none issue for me, i can go outside at any time without any fear to be shoot in a head.
"In fact world gone worse!!"
Your "facts" doesn't match reality...
"The way world is going i hope i die soon!! Don’t wanna wait till I’m 50,80 or 100."
So world wont end for next 50+ years? How long should I wait until I can call bullshit on your claim that its "end times"?
"nearly every single thing has been for filled in the bible and you still don’t believe that there is God??"
First of all, nothing was fulfilled from your book what counts as actual prophesy, but aside of that, even if your book had actual predictions, like it said "In 2019 by Gregorian calendar there will be world wide pandemic" that would still not prove that god is real, you would need to determine that it wasnt self fulfilling prophesy, like some believer releasing virus just to make this "prophecy" come true, aside of this, it could also be just a lucky guess, because atleast lucky guess can happen, your god wasnt even shown to be possible, let alone that he is real.
"That is trying to talk to us and it is God! "
If he is real and he is actually trying to talk with us, he is shitty at it... Even I could give more clear signs that i'm real, heck, this comment is better proof that i'm real than anything else you have to show that your god is real.
"God show me that he is real!!"
How do you know that it wasnt delusion? Because Muslims will say exact same thing about Allah, so who is correct here?
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@petercat4481
"3D model in sketch up make arrangement for its reciept"
From when does sketcup includes atmospheric refractions and similar shit? Is there a option to simulate that? Or is this a extra plugin i need to install? Och wait, there is none... Because its not made to do that... So you literally using tools to try figure out something what it was never made for... Do you even know how to science?... And ironically enough you said "that how science work" och no no no, that's not how science works, this is how you work when you are far far far away from being a scientist or even using scientific method.
"Your answer is devoid of any Geometery or reason"
Ok, lets check your knowledge about geometry: Should sun change perceived size over flat earth? Should it change over globe? What does reality say about sun? Does it change size?
" its amazing all you scientism religious"
Its fun to see people trying to lower science to religions level just to have fighting chance while at same time admitting that their position is in shitty place and they need to do that in order to keep floating. Thanks.
"How convienent you have no 3d model showing how its possibe to see mercury 22.5 degrees after sunset"
And you will not have it. There are multiple complex things involved into this and your basic model in sketchup will not demonstrate a shit... You could have atleast used some decent 3d software which could simulate light refraction... But no, you picked generic 3d modeling software which is made to create chairs and you complain that it doesn't match reality... C'mon... Are you joking here?
And the fact that at some point you can no longer see it shows that it does hide behind curvature. So, as you admitted that we live on a globe, lets talk about more complex things: light refraction. What do you know about this phenomenon?
"There is a reason for this its not possible"
Like what?
"The are of course other tell tell signs the heliocentic model and globe are BS such as gyroscopes"
Care to elaborate? You keep making shit arguments here while never supporting them with actual evidence... You do realize that for you to prove something you actually need to... Prove it?... You do know this? Right?
"thanks for the chat and lack of any evidence caluations or model "
Not my job to teach you basics about reality. If you skipped middle school, then i would suggest to go back there and learn something... Then we can talk like grownups.
"Guess people should just believe in your religion because you insult people"
Not a religion, cant be a religion by definition. And my insults are irrelevant to the fact that you are demonstrably wrong on all fronts.
Like seriously, by using your "scientific" method i can pick a earths map, lay it on table, turn on lights in a room, realize that entire map is lit evenly 24/7 and call flatardia bullshit. Done, i did your "scientific" experiment and proved that we dont live on space pancake. Tho you already admitted that we live on a globe, so maybe that one was not needed to do, but well, dint hurt.
Sooo, light refraction, what do you know about that?
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@petercat4481
"See your loosing your religion."
Id don't have religion, so maybe you are right and i'm not only loosing, i completely lost it which was called: Catholicism.
" As a scientist find you religious ferver is very tragic especially as you claim to be scientific lol"
Yea, lol, when i see people claiming that my position is not scientific when entire scientific world supports my position. Lol.
" to do so either running away at the first hint of getting into actual mathematics or true reviewable models."
You literally using incorrect tools for your "experiment" and you want to call me none scientific one? Are you joking? FYI I used your method and disproved flatardia already. Yet your experiment only rises question why we see something for longer period of time then we should and not that earth is not a globe.
"Despite years of time it appears no Glober (preprogrammed NPC) has produced a working 3D model that can be examined and scrutinised"
Google maps?
"Offering you the same you try to distract with BS are you claiming we see a reflection of mercury in the DOME at 22.5 degrees after sunset ?"
What dome? What reflection? Are you drunk? I said REFRACTION not reflection... Do you even read? Can you read?
"When you or your ilk want to demonstrate something by producing models maths ie a scientific explination go ahead"
I'm not here to teach some ignorant people something more complex than + when you cant even understand basics about geometry. Earth is a globe, observable fact. After we will agree on this basic reality then we can move to something more complex. Light refraction, like i said before, is like fifth step, we currently are at step 0 you still failing to understand. So, step by step we will get to your silly question, but we cant answer it if you cant understand first 4 steps. It will be waste of time if we will skip steps. So yea, do you agree that earth is a globe?
"Suggest you go back to school and learn how to argue your case"
Exactly, please do that.
" to examine an actual 3D model which destorys your religion (the heliocentirc model)"
Like i said, learn to walk before you try to run. We dint got to the heliocentric model, that would be step 7 or step 8.
Soooo, lets try it slowly this time: Is earth a globe?
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@petercat4481
"Your religion is the heliocentic model "
Still not a religion. Tho its cute that your still trying to imply that.
"We can agree that a 3D to scale model will not show how its possible to observe Mercury 22.5 degrees (1.5 hours) after sunset."
Did you sketchup model included light refraction? No? So your model is invalid, case closed.
See how its simple to destroy your silly experiments?
"the heliocentic globe model does not represent reality"
How would you know this? How would reality look like if it was heliocentric? Would we see unicorns flying around?... Like seriously, you are trying to argue against something what by your words doesnt make sense while you cant even explain why it doesnt make sense... And... What makes sense to you and what is actually real are completely different things.
"you fail to produce any mathmatics, model or data to support your case."
Once again, light refraction. I already provided this couple comments back... Your failure to realize that light refraction resolves your main issue is not my problem, its yours.
"Thats why your loosing your religion because your belief dont align with reality"
Damn... Atleast you make me laugh.
"Incidently this is just one of many failings of the heliocentric globe model"
You have more ignorant argument to present?... Ok... Go for it!!! We can debunk those too.
FYI You need to prove flatardia and not to look for possible issues with globe model. After all, even if your issues with globe model would even been correct you would still need to actually disprove globe model and that in general could only be done by proving that earth is a space pancake. So good luck with that.
"RIP globe theory"
If that helps you sleep at night, ok.
So yea, no idea if your are just some sad troll here or just some religious nutjob. Your sketchup model doesn't disprove anything, not a tiny bit. You can repeat it over and over again, will not disprove globe model, because globe is a fact, observable and testable fact from reality and not your sketchup model... I still cant stop smirking while realizing that you tried to disprove globe model with sketchup... Make a chair in it, will be more usefull.
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@petercat4481
"So your sayingthat in order to believe in your religion"
Still trying to compare science with religion? That's cute.
"to believe in your religion I must accept the globe"
No, first of all you need to understand basic observations and what they mean. Like a sunset. Only possible on a globe. And couple other dozen things which can be confirmed by you independent from any sketchup models and similar. If you cant even understand how basic reality works, then there are no chance for you to understand explanation for your original question and at this point, your original question is irrelevant. Earth is globe even if you could see Mercury 24/7... Why you can see that would be separate question AFTER we can agree on the shape of earth, not before that.
its like trying to teach 5 year old about rocket science when he cant even understand what is fire... Or combustion... Or rockets... Learn to walk before you try to run.
"Are there any members of your religious sect who are more intelegent than you that are capable of showing their workings out?"
I just wondering why you behave so childish. Your original question is irrelevant here, you dont understand basic geometry, you dont understand basic reality. Providing detailed explanation of globe model will not get us far if you cant grasp basic things about basic observable facts which prove that earth is a globe.
"what are your angles of incident and refraction where are your calculations ?"
Damn... You still trying to understand rocket science while failing on basic math...
Lets try it simple, like really simple and lets see if you can handle anything more complex. If earth was flat, should perceived sun size change throw day? If earth was flat, should perceived sun movement speed change throw day? If earth was flat, should perceived sun movement across sky should be circular? If earth was flat, can sun ever hide under horizon?
4 really basic questions from geometry, lets see if you can handle those and then lets see if your answer matches reality and what we should observe if earth was flat.
Good luck.
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@petercat4481
"You are loosing your scientism religion"
Damn, its like you cant even think of better insult than repeating same one for the 10th time in a row... C'mon, use your brain and imagination, you can think of something better which would not be nonsensical statement by itself. I believe in you!
"Just provide a link to a model that can be reviewed to explain why we can see Mercury up to 22.5 degrees after sunset"
Don't care, earth is still a globe even if you could see Mercury 24/7
"or show you workings out with Mathematics "
To whom? Definitely not to you, as you have no idea how that thing works. So who else?
"Whilst these are difficult concepts for you even though you claim such models exist if you cannot do the above "
Riiiiight, says some one who cant even understand basic geometry which proves that earth is a globe independent if you can see mercury 24/7 or not... Riiiiiiiight, its me who have difficulties understanding...
"Go home get yourself a nice warm glass of milk tuck yourself back in to you delusional dream world and go back to sleep poppet"
Well atleast this insult is some what better than first one, so congrats on that, couple more weeks of this talking and you might even make one which could actually insult me.
Now i just wondering if you are a troll or just some one who cant even read. How do you explain sun matching 100% globe model and mismatching 100% flat one? No need to have some model put on internet, no need to use this magical sketchup which is made to create chairs to use in checking if you could see mercury, you can simply do some basic observations by yourself in actual reality. So why even basic sun observation proves that earth is a globe and not flatardia?
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@lagresomadsl
"what is it for you want I believe or not believe?"
Because you vote.
In general, nobody gives a f**k what you believe, but you are part of society, so your beliefs will effect your actions and your actions will effect people around you. So fixing as many issues with your belief as possible will be beneficial not only for you, but for everyone near you.
"If I believe the earth is a flat stationery plane, look up the word plane, how does this change anything in your life?"
If you believe one silly thing then you will be more prone to believe another one. People who starts believing one conspiracy tend to accept bunch of others and then you have one nutcrack screaming on facebook and saying that people should not vaccinate because government lies or some stupid stuff like that. Again, you are part of society, if you lived alone in woods, no one will give a f**k what you believe, but you are not.
"If I believe in science, big bang and pray to the sun, believing we are flying into space on a moving ball, what does this line of thought change in your life?"
No idea why you would pray to sun, but if you would accept actual reality then you would live in actual one and not in fantasy. Having less false beliefs will lead to more correct actions. Do you remember 9/11? People believed in some specific fantasy idea and acted upon it, and what you got? Bunch of dead people. Yes, its extreme example but its on same exact line as belief in flat earth, might be different scale, but basic idea is the same.
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@theredscourge
So now you complain about shitty chargers? Have you looked into Tesla charging network? That one is like 99% uptime, no issues with those entirely, quick and easy charging, basically always working and has bunch of chargers in one place so you get usually one free and working. Just because there are shitty companies with their shitty chargers in place will not mean that there aren't good ones. So this is mute argument too.
And they are not banning everything except BEV's... They are banning everything whats powered by petroleum... See the difference?
On top of this... Ban to sell petroleum cars will not mean that you can't just go to another state and buy one there... i can bet that atleast one state will keep selling petroleum cars for next 40 years... So its not like all those polluting cars will magically disappear just because you can't buy new one anymore in that state... Imports are a thing you know.
If overnight charging becomes and issue then price of that electricity will be higher than it is during day, so people will shift their charging habits to be during day time... Like charging at your workplace... Again, none issue.
Price does tell so something, but as you can charge your car at home from solar panels you own, that price becomes little to nothing. Right?
"What do you call an EV that costs twice as much as a gas car to purchase and noticeably higher than a gas car to fill?"
Fantasy.
BEV's prices are going down, so like, would those actually cost more than gas powered ones? Unlikely. For electricity price... You can only speculate here at best.
This transition to BEV's is happening, you like it or not, its simply happening. What we have to do is adapt to this change one way or the other, you have like 20+ years for it... You are not in a rush...
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@theredscourge
Tesla will provide information how many available stalls there are now or even how many there should be when you arrive. On top of this, again, Tesla stalls have extreme level of uptime, its extremely rare to see single stall not working... And Tesla usually installs bunch of those in one place, so its really rare to not get one for yourself. So again... Mute point you are trying to make here... Complaining about something what's none issue...
And it is problem with companies, there isn't a problem with one problem at the moment, Tesla. That one has biggest network in the world with most reliable chargers. Everyone else just puts 2 charges per location and calls a day, from which usually atleast one isn't working...
"No, there is no difference, unless you misinterpreted me, but what's your point?"
How are you not understanding difference between banning every car except BEV's and banning only petroleum powered ones? Its straightforward one... You can still use Hydrogen powered, or even E-Fuel ones... Its about banning most polluting types of cars, rest of them will be allowed.
"Sure you can buy a gas car in another state, but what do you do when they ban the gas stations, drive to Texas to fill up?"
Then you go and buy BEV... Is that so scary for you? To own BEV?
"you need to realize that not everyone has $20,000 in panels at home after they blow $60,000 on a daily driver, nor do they all work from home."
Cool beans... First of all, we are talking about something what should be needed in like 20 years or so, which means that prices you are looking at will not be the same... Solar panel prices are going down, by quite a bit. On top of this, you can use those same solar panels to power your entire home, so its not like you are just gonna use it to charge your car, even now it can be cheaper to install solar panels and use that to power your house with some battery pack, in 20 years it will be no brainer...
"It's $18 a day just to park downtown in my city, that's 10% of the average daily salary before taxes, imagine how much it will be to park AND recharge!"
? Seriously... You seem to like to make some weird unrelated statements... Over and over and over again... What I actually said was that you could charge at your work, but you started to talk about paid parking... Are you now using paid parking while working at your company?... Like... What are you even talking about?
And delayed another 20-40 years?... It was already delayed to much... To delay it even more just because YOU don't like this transition will not mean anything, it should be faster than its happening, not slower... it will be decades to get rid of all of those petroleum cars from the roads... And you want to delay it even more while you failed to present single valid argument here for it?... C'mon...
And please... For your own sake... Get actual evidence that BEV's as ANY effect on electrical grid in your California instead of repeating same claim over and over and over again... Give me peer reviewed scientific research which demonstrates that... I will wait... until that happens, stop complaining about something what isn't real.
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@theredscourge
"Because the difference between them banning "only petroleum cars" and "everything except BEVs" is about 12 cars."
Then expand... Toyota tries to go with hydrogen, they will fail and go bankrupt, but hell, they are trying to do it. E-Fuel will be replacement for quite some time too, which basically allows you to use old cars with little modifications. But that's completely besides the point that there is HUGE difference between banning everything besides BEV's and only banning petroleum cars...
"Yes, if I actually want to be able to drive when I want in 10 years, then owning a BEV is a scary prospect, as it should be for you, which is the entire point of what I am saying here."
Why? first of all, as you can charge your car at home, you will have your car always at full, so with like 300-500 mile range you can go whatever you want... Right? Like, what will prevent you from going where you want? How far do you plan to go on daily basis? Do you just pack your stuff and start 50000 mile journey across the road without any wall sockets? Is this yet another none argument from you?
"I know solar is going down in price, but $10 more than you have is $10 more than you have regardless if it used to be $20 more than you have."
No idea what you tried to say here. Are you saying that you wont have 10$ to charge your car? You can always use public transportation...
"If parking is too expensive for most, then parking plus charging is DEFINITELY going to be too expensive for most."
? Who said that you will be forced to pay for parking and be forced to charge while parked and pay for that too?... Your arguments are so weird... Are you paying now for parking? Do you need to charge your car each time you stop at paid parking? Do you pay for parking at your work? Like... Make actual reasonable argument here...
" Pay attention and you'll understand why I say what I say, think harder and you will see why it is related."
But its not... You just trying to create issues where there are none... And you keep doing that... Over and over and over and over again... Just waiting for an argument from you which sounds something like "So when world goes to solar and there is cloudy day, that will cause blackouts when people starts charging their BEV's!!!"
"There's no such thing as "delayed too much" if the thing simply is not ready."
Did you know that first car was actually electric? Yes... This is how much it was delayed. Instead of going full blown petroleum we should have invested more into battery development, but no, this was delayed. We are lucky that Tesla came along and pushes all this electrification forwards by few decades, otherwise this would not be happening. And it will take few decades to properly transition, so yea, it was delayed to much...
"Give me peer reviewed papers for why I should put a second more of my time into trying to convince a clearly triggered EV fan that there might be massive downsides to completely ignoring the infrastructure side of the equation"
Because until this point you presented NOTHING besides your own personal opinion... That's it... Present me actual evidence that transitioning to BEV's will be bad and we should delay it, not just scream out that its bad because you had a dream about it, but actual evidence... If you can then I will join your side and start saying that BEV adoption should be slowed down, until then... Stop making shit up...
"I already explained why 2+2=4"
No, you did not, you simply said what you think to be true without actual evidence that it is true. What you said is "X+2Y=69 and this equation is wrong" and I'm here "Why it is wrong?" and your response is "Because I dont like Y or 69 and I feel like X should not be here, lets replace it with B" and i'm like "What the what now???"
"I don't need to go put on a labcoat and say "trust me, I'm a scientist"."
That would atleast give some credibility to your comments here... it would not prove that your are correct, but atleast you would have some idea what you are talking about.
"or you can dismiss it due to being too emotionally invested in the opposite being true,"
Och that irony...
"when YOU are clearly not who I am trying to reach with what I am saying"
Clearly, I'm not that gullible to just accept someone's "Trust me bro" argument
"since it is clear that reaching you with it is impossible"
It's REALLY easy to reach me, you just have to present actual evidence for your claims and I will be reached in a nanosecond, that's how simple it is. So do you have any evidence here or just that "Trus me bro" type of argument?
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@theredscourge
"so you are splitting hairs"
I'm not splitting hairs... i'm here correcting YOU. It doesn't matter how viable alternatives are, what you claimed was that government bans every car except BEV's, and then I corrected you that government bans petroleum powered cars only. It makes no difference if we will have 5 hydrogen cars in 2035, makes zero difference here...
" I laid out reasons why you won't be able to charge at home"
Which was your personal opinion, which if fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. What's now? Do you have any actual data to support your opinion? Any scientific research which concluded that your opinion is the correct one? Anything more than just your opinion?
"then you said then charge at work"
I said to charge at work when you said that not all people are working from home... Try to keep up here... All that convo went from electricity potentially becoming more expensive at night... Again... Try to keep up here...
" then I laid out reasons for why that won't work"
What will not work? You just said that you can't be paying for paid parking spot and at same time pay for charging... Which had nothing todo with anything here... People who go to work usually have free parking spot at their work and even then, having paid parking spot has NOTHING to do with charging... It was YOU who brought that irrelevant point, not me...
"Circular argument."
You need to learn what circular argument is.
"by saying that parking at work is already non-viable for many in cities, let alone parking plus charging?"
Like... Do you have any actual argument here? You can charge your car where you want. Go and charge it at dedicated charging station. Do it at work if its available. Do it at home if that's an option... You keep desperately trying to make some weird issues where none exists... With BEV's you have exponentially more options where you can "refill" your car, yet it doesn't look like you are crying about current cars only have gas stations... Are you ok?
"The average person who just drained the bank on a $60,000 commuter car"
Like... You do know that there are such things are used cars? Right? And you do know that there are cheaper options too? Right?... It's like having person who buys 150k car and then complains about charging costing them whooping 20 bucks... There is wide range of BEV's already and their price is dropping and there should be new ones in near future which costs around 25k, new one. So like... AGAIN... Why are you so desperate to create issues where there are none?
"There's no peer reviewed studies on what the grid looks like if everyone switches to EVs"
Cool, then your opinion is just that, your personal opinion. Come back when you get actual supporting evidence for your opinion.
"me to take you in a time machine to watch the disaster unfold? "
Clearly that's not happening, so then, why are you so confident that you are correct if by your own words you have no supporting evidence? Why should anyone take your words seriously when you are on same level as people who claims to be abducted by aliens and probed over their anus?
"and then maybe consider my actual arguments instead of immediately rejecting them, calling them "opinions""
But those are opinions... By definition of that... As you don't have supporting evidence that makes it a opinion... Like... What else it should be called?
"as though opinions and truth never line up or something. "
? Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't... This is why it's a opinion and not a fact... I have opinion opposite to yours, so then, how should we go by determining which ones of outs is the correct one? Is your opinion has more value than mine?
"I supplied actual numbers"
What numbers? Did I missed something here? Which numbers proved/supports your point here? And what you have as a numbers is todays situation about a thing which should happen in 10-20 years or so... So like... What's now? You can't even provide supporting evidence that TODAY EV's causing trouble to the electrical grids anywhere... How the hell are you hopping to prove that those will cause issues in 10-20 years?
" even if I jumped through whatever hoops you demanded me to jump through, you'd just say "I can't be bothered to read all that" or "I don't trust your source" anyway."
That's a convenient excuse to not have any supporting evidence...
"You just admitted that you'd be swayed by me putting on a labcoat."
That would be better than you presented now, doesn't mean that I would blindly believe you even if you had lab coat on you, but atleast I would know that you are not just some random person on internet trying to claim random stuff you have no idea about. There are plenty of people with lab coats who are fundamentally wrong too you know...
"personally emotionally invested in EVs"
I don't. But what i'm personally invested into is prevention of misinformation spreading. It doesn't matter what you are claiming to say, can be for BEV's or against them, if its bollocks I will call it out.
"easily swayed by appeal to authority fallacies. "
Still false. I can be swayed by actual evidence, never said that I would blindly trust authorities...
Tho, just FYI as you seam to not know this, appeal to authority is a fallacy ONLY when you appeal to none authority. I can appeal to quantum physicists without understanding quantum physics, that will not be fallacious because i'm appealing to actual authority in quantum physics. Now you know.
" whereby EVs have no downsides"
BEV's (there is distinction between EV and BEV) does have downsides, but in general BEV's are the best option we currently have to move forwards. Every technology has its own downsides, doesn't mean we should not invest into it...
"the electric grid will handle it just fine despite our governments' complete lack of action on the infrastructure side to plan for it"
It will handle it just fine. Actual research was done on this one as it was shown that electrical grid can happily sustain BEV's adoption rates without any issues. Electrical grid is being expanded at specific rate already, with or without BEV's, so it's none issue.
"Perhaps it's my moral duty to try to warn people about the impending disaster"
That just sounds more like "End times is near!!! Repent for your sins!!!" type thing...
I guess everyone is wrong, but you with your none lab coat expertise know more... Why? Because you watched few videos on youtube?... I have no idea as you never presented any actual evidence and you admitted that you don't have any for that... So like... Ok...
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