Comments by "Nigel Johnson" (@nigeljohnson9820) on "Post-Brexit fishing rights up for debate between EU and UK" video.

The UK would be wise to defer any discussion of fishing rights to the last part of the negotiations.
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joe caterman oh yes you can, it takes two to negotiate. The EU cannot be allowed to define the agenda or set the time table.
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joe caterman it may be one of your priority it is not ours. It would be a serious error to give you what you want first. The UK made that mistake by letting the EU set the agenda for the withdrawal agreement. Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. In terms of job interviews, what is the chance of giving a job to someone who's first questions are about pay, holidays and pension and refuses to discuss the job until these are agreed. Your last line makes it clear the fish are in UK territorial waters, which means we control access, not the EU.
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@saabsa maybe when you have corrected your sentence structure and added the missing words. It might be worth addressing the content of your post. I would suggest that you wait until the new EU budget is agreed before your bother reposting, as it seems the Brexit has left a rather large hole in the EU budget, resulting in a rather unseemly lack of unity between the remaining member states.
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@Marius Periwinkle if it were that simple, the EU budget would already be agreed, but the member states are fighting like a sack of ravenous rats. The French want the CAP to be maintained, but have no intention of paying more. The protests in French show that the EU does not protect workers rights. I think the statistic of interest is that the UK leaving was equivalent to the loss of the twelve smallest member states, the UK being the third largest contributor to the EU budget. A fact that remained true for all but one year of its membership. Then the EU had the audacity to remade further payments after it left. EU and French ambitions for the EU are now being paid for by mainly the German and Dutch tax payers. The solidarity fund is just a way of making the richer members pay for their competitors. I wonder how EU free movement will survive with 4 million migrants waiting to get in at the Greek border. We are glad to be free of your little protection racket.
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@Marius Periwinkle what the UK does or does not do is no longer the concern of the EU, as the EU no longer has any say on the matter.
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@Marius Periwinkle only if the EU wants to trade and after the transition period the UK is no longer in the customers union or the single market. So no you don't have a say.
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@Marius Periwinkle but we are not that disparate for a trade agreement. If the EU wants to trade with the UK it will treat the UK as an independent and sovereign state.
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@Marius Periwinkle that's fine, but it is no concern of yours, but don't expect the EU to have any say in the governance of the UK. And now we have gone full circle, don't expect the UK to give the EU free access to UK coastal waters.
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@Marius Periwinkle Over half of UK laws are the result of following EU laws and directives. It is a requirement of EU membership. Again no concessions beyond what is expected from a independent third country. You should be aware that the EU will be damaging the assets of EU owned companies in the UK, maybe to the point where they will be returned to public ownership.
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@philmarland7647 the UK will be free of EU laws and directives at the end of the transition period. If Boris walks away it amounts to the same thing as it will end the transition period.
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@Marius Periwinkle that is an assertion you have no right to make, given I have not provided any evidence on the subject. I would say that if you trade with a local shop, do you think it should give you the right to move in with the shop keepers family? Why should trading with the EU give EU citizens the right to move to the UK? The UK must have the right to control the number of people that wish to migrate to the UK to live. The current rate is equivalent the population of a small city each year. For a small island, this is completely unsustainable. It is interesting that the UK has attracted so many and continues to do so. One can only assume that EU member states are just not very attractive places to live.
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@Marius Periwinkle I am so glad we are not climbing this list. There is no logical reason to link freedom of movement to freedom of trade. This is just political expediency used to bind member state together, we are no longer a member state so it has no reason to be applied to the UK. I note you did not answer my question regarding to the shopkeeper.
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@Marius Periwinkle and yet you want the UK to sign up to the four freedoms. It is difficult to see how you concluded that I did not understand freedom of movement from my post. If your are going to create your own narrative from my words there is little point debating with you.
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@Marius Periwinkle are you really dense. We have left the EU. We are not going to agree to the four freedoms just to trade with the EU. We are no longer members. It will be interesting watching the EU try to apply the four freedoms with other third countries with which it trades. The warped logic which you are trying to apply to the UK is irrelevant. The UK is no longer a member, so how the EU deciders to organise itself does not apply to the UK or any other third country with which the EU trades.
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@Marius Periwinkle you really are dense, the UK has made its decision and it was to leave the EU and its four freedoms, though the word "freedom" is a misnomer in this case, as it imprisons the member state under EU control. It is you who are not making much sense. Yes we can have a Canada type agreement, that does not contain the requirement for free movement. This is a contradiction to your argument that trade with the EU must be based on accepting EU rules. It will take time, ok we don't care, if it takes more than the one year transition period, you can keep it. We will take WTO terms and you can whistle for access to UK coastal waters and have very expensive access to the UK market. EU tariffs will damage EU companies invested in the UK. I have no problem with that.
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@saabsa fortunately they have realised their mistake. Finally recognising the monster some in the UK government and civil service had a hand in creating . The UK people were lead to believe that the EU was in fact a loose trading association, the common market. The EU is not unstoppable, its own momentum will take it to its destruction, unfortunately the longer it exists the more violent its end will be. It is the fate of all empires.
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@saabsa your own question tells the story. If the EU is nothing really than a market place then those who are members do not really believe in its documented ideals. The weakness of the EU is that it is a market in which to sell, not to buy. As it gets bigger, it grows weaker, as those inside have less incentive to sell outside its border. Those outside are not bound by EU rules, and at least some of them will under cut the EU producers. I have often likened the EU to a herd of aggressive sheep, huddled together for protection from the pack of wolves that surrounds them. Someone in the US administration said that having a large market of common standards outweighed all the disadvantages that tariff barriers might produce. It is for this reason the EU is so keen to hobble the UK's ability to freely compete with the EU. Without the bias of the so called level playing field, the EU fears the UK will be able to out perform it. As for Germany, it is increasingly finding that its former advantages are rapidly disappearing and it is being hampered by the need to finance those who do not contribute to the EU budget. Worse still, within the EU market it is being forced by the solidarity fund to finance it's competitors. If any UK industry is lost through Brexit, it will not go to Germany, it will go to lose prosperous regions of the EU, or not likely outside the EU altogether. The EU is already suffering from the same globalisation illness that afflicts the US. It imports much of its technology from China, its software comes from America. I do hope it true to steal the financial services from the UK, as this will be the final nail in its coffin. Germany will move its focus onto the parasitic service industries. The EU its self is already suffering from insolvent banks, negative interest rates and money printing in the form of QE.
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@Marius Periwinkle and you don't get it. The EU has no say in the matter. We are no longer a member of the EU, we do not have any reason to follow your rules. Trade or not, it really does not matter. We will walk away on WTO terms.
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@Marius Periwinkle it is interesting that you assume a lack of understanding of others while being completely oblivious to your own lack of comprehension. The UK government has placed a limit on the transition period of one year, written into UK law, with a realistic chance it will be reduced further if the EU continues to treat the UK as if it is a vassal state to be dictated to like some slave. The EU seemed perfectly happy to make the Brexit process last as long as possible, presumably because it wanted to continue to receive a membership fee from the UK and because it believed erroneously that there was a chance that the Brexit vote would be reversed. From our point of view it did not really matter as we were committed to paying the EU membership fee until the next EU budget cycle. From my point of view, it was an error to sign the withdrawal agreement, as we're are still likely to leave on WTO terms, and the agreement made too many concessions to EU demands. It would have been better to keep our £39 billion as we are unlikely to get anything for it and to maximise the inconvenience to the EU. It was clear that as soon as article 50 was submitted, the EU became a foreign hostile power to the UK and not, as some would have it, "our friends in Europe". Your posts here, have just reinforced that assessment.
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@Marius Periwinkle this is another example of the EU wanting to have its cake and eat it. The UK is in the transition period. For some reason we are expected to pay the membership without having all the rights of membership. That is, we are expected to follow EU rules in the transition period without having any say in defining them. It would be more reasonable if the rules the UK are expected to follow were frozen at the point of the start of the transition period. The transition period has been limited for this specific reason. I believe it was the former EU president that expressed the view that the UK might reverse the Brexit vote during the extended article 50 period. There was the time when vested self interested in the UK parliament were attempting to thwart the brexit referendum result, this resulted in the requests for extensions of article 50 as the UK parliament was dead locked, though I had hoped the French would veto these requests. Fortunately we had a general election and the remain faction were removed from office. I think you will find the current government is more Eurosceptic, single minded and far less likely to acquiesce to EU demand.
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@Marius Periwinkle you are persistent, I will give you that. You would expect that while you are paying the fee, you would continue to receive all the perks of membership including on voting on the club rules. As to the seven year budget, had we left on WTO terms, the rules of article 50 indicate that ALL UK liabilities to the EU would have ended at that point.
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