Comments by "Nigel Johnson" (@nigeljohnson9820) on "Raw Politics: Is a no deal Brexit off the table?" video.
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@belindakennedy5828 the problem the government has is that for decades the true state of the UK economy has been hidden by creative accounting, a matter of smoke and mirrors.GDP on nonproductive services and the value of house building, a property bubble. Successive UK governments have failed to rebalance the economy towards producing goods that we can sell to other countries. There has been an extended fire sale of the UK's utilities, infrastructure and means of production.
One of the purposes of Brexit was to force the government to face the problem and do something about it, rather than continuing to live on debt created by borrowing against our fictitious wealth.
It can be argued that these structural problem with the UK economy can only be address outside the EU, as EU rules and its own self interest discourages the UK government from doing anything. Outside the EU necessity will be the mother of invention, and the UK will be forced to be more self sufficient and pay its way in the world, something it has not done for forty plus years, not since we joined the EU. One of the problems with Mrs May's deal is that it allows the unacceptable status quo to continue at the cost of losing get more UK sovereignty.
At this point Mrs May's deal is the very worst option. I am a strong supporter of leave, but at this moment I think we may have no choice but to remain and try again once the UK economy has been made stronger. The dangers of remaining and many: we may end up going back to our old ways and not fixing the economy. The EU may close the article 50 door and trap us in an EU that has a very bleak dystopian future, dragging us down with it. Leaving is going to be a very painful process, as we will be recovering from the EU parasite infection. The EU has had forty years of making the UK dependent upon it, removing the parasite from all aspects of UK life is going to hurt.
Remain has the advantage of adding 17.4 million citizens to the EU who have and want to see it's destruction. Inside, the UK can halt the EU super state ambitions. Suspect that the ECJ will decide that the UK cannot unilaterally revoke its article 50 application for this reason alone, however there is the other reason, it would open the EU up to blackmail, with member states applying to leave, knowing they can withdraw their application at the last minute. As I pointed out in a post yesterday, Italy is most likely to use this weapon, given it has an even more Eurosceptic population than the UK. The conclusion is that we may have no choice but a hard Brexit, maybe with a Canada plus deal. It has been said that the EU will not provide a deal without the Irish backstop in place, but if there is a hard brexit, the Irish border problem will be firmly at the door of the EU as neither the UK or the RoI can put a hard customs border in Ireland. Suddenly a technical solution will become very attractive to the EU, as the only other options are to impose a border in Ireland or a border between Ireland and the rest of the EU.
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@guleiro I am aware of the make up for the UK parliament. It is time the house of lords to be abolished. The English will decide the nature of the next UK government. As far as I am concerned Ireland is a liability and I would be happy to see it reunified with the rest of Ireland, but the NI people ,who control this issue, do not want to be part of the RoI. The RoI and the EU no not want it. So that part of the UK is not going anywhere. The SNP like to think they would thrive as an independent nation in the EU and would somehow have a say in deciding its operation. In practice their economy is in a worse shape than the UK and would quickly turn into the next Greek style crises as they no not generate the money to support their people. Without the UK their position would be worse having lost their biggest trading partner and the grant they receive from the rUK. Many of the devolved powers they currently enjoy will be returned to Brussels. They would be forced to return their coastal waters to EU control, and there influence in the EU would be about the same as one of the smallest members of the EU, virtually zero. The same applies to Wales, but more so. So while the English hating SNP might want separation they would be destroyed if they get it.
As to the UK leaving without a deal. This is the most likely outcome at the moment. It remains to be seen if the UK holds a second referendum and if the EU will allow the UK to unilaterally withdraw article 50.
The politicians are not sure if they could get a remain vote, May's deal is most likely dead.
If there is a second referendum remaining in he EU is a better option than May's deal. A second referendum that vote for remain will set a precedent for a third at a later date, when the UK is better prepared for brexit. Remaining will put 17.4 million people back in the EU who hate it and would like to see its destruction. A remain vote would also see a very Eurosceptic government replacing the current one. Given all the problems the EU is facing, it is questionable if a third referendum will be necessary, as there may not be an EU to leave. The only problems are how the UK can afford to pay for continuing membership, and if we will be dragged into the conflict if the EU break up turns violent. The longer the EU exists the more likely its demise will be by war or violent revolution.
What is certain, the closer it moves to becoming a federal super state, the more unstable it becomes.
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