Comments by "Joe Qi" (@i6power30) on "2024 Mazda CX-90 PHEV - Driving a Fun Plug-In Hybrid that Handles (POV Binaural Audio)" video.
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@clarkkent9080 It's inefficient because if its size. But compared with the same size gas vehicle it is much more efficient, provided that you plug in and charge everyday when you park at home.
As for EVs taking longer to warm up, it depends on what you mean. When you cold start a gas car and start to drive it immediately, you can feel sluggishness from engine, not with electric motor, it responds instantly no difference in responsiveness. No loud startup noise or vibration. Smooth and quiet, Once you get used to the refinement of an EV, it's hard to go back to gas car as daily driver. Especially if you just want to take a 5 minute short trip or even just move a parking spot or driveway, with gas car, you have to experience the starting engine vibration etc.
However, when there is a winter storm, I don't mind start gas engine to take advantage of its waste heat to heat up the car, and who cares about EV range or efficiency then it's not an everyday occurance, it's only 5 - 10% of usage. Of course if you live way up north then maybe EVs are a tough sell. I live in southern Ontario Canada, even here we only get on 3 really bad snow storms in an average winter, and 2 months of really cold temperature that I have to turn on gas engine if I have to go further than 20 km. Had I lived in southern US states, I would just go for a pure EV, but in the colder climate, I like the safety of PHEV, but still enjoy the refinement and savings of electric motor in warmer months.
I don't know about Mazda CX-90 electric motor noise, it maybe a defect that have to fix, but I drive a Volvo XC90 PHEV, I've experienced no such noise. I don't have heat pump in this car either, and yes resistive heater drains battery a lot, but I don't care because I don't rely on battery for range or heating in extremely cold days, I just turn on gas engine if necessary, but I still save 95% of fuel a year given the same size car/SUV. Actually I hate heat pump, my previous pure EV came with heat pump, it made a lot of noise and vibration even lounder than gas engine in really cold days. I believe using fuel for heating is more robust solution than trying to squeeze out last bit of efficiency in heating with battery.
Another big use gas for me is taking a nap in it when my kid is getting too loud inside the house. I can never nap in a gas car because running AC requires idling engine and feel all that vibration and noise, and exhaust gas. No matter how clean you say modern gas cars have become, if you stand next to an idling car, it's not a pleasant feeling or smell!
I know there are a lot of purists out there, either all for EV, or all for ICE cars. I guess it's human nature tend to lean on one extreme or the other. But the truth is that both EV and ICE have their own strenghts and weaknesses, I see PHEV having good of both worlds, slightly more expensive but a lot of EV owners also have a ICE car in garage, a PHEV would reduce two cars to one for many of them, and save a ton of space and some money as well.
As for no money saved because PHEV costs more than similarly equiped gas car? Did you consider the resale value of the PHEV will be higher than similarly equipped gas car as well? So you did not "spend" that money completely, some of that money you will get back when you sell that car several years down the road.
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@clarkkent9080 Bro you need to look at the actual stats. Battery warranty does not mean you have to replace battery right after warranty. Vast majority of EV/PHEVs batteries are good many years after that. As for resale value, I do look at used car market quite often, and I have ad 3 EVs and 2 PHEVs in the past 7 years. Most of them kept value so well that , 2 of them I drove for a year and sold for more than I paid new (Tesla model 3, and Toyota RAV4 prime). VW e-golf I drove for a year and half and only depreciated about 10%.
My current XC90 PHEV definitely will not keep value welll because it's a high end luxury vehicle I am aware of that but I enjoy its luxury and many bells and whistles that will break over time I'm ok with that it's a splurge on my part. But if you look at 5 year old XC90 PHEV and the same gas version XC90 T6 inscription , PHEV version definitely has higher resaule value - the difference is very close to the difference when they were new. So if the market condition remains same 5 years from now, I 'm not really paying any more premium for owning a PHEV than a gas car, but still enjoy all the perks and fuel savings PHEV brings.
I'll give you one thing though. If you are a low mileage user and don't care to nap in the car while running the AC, AND if you want to keep your car forever - 20 years or more, then go with ICE. ICE degrades mostly on mileage, batteries degrade on calendar time. So if you are a grandma only drive to church and grocery stores a few times a week, then keep your ICE car for 20+ years no problem. EVs only make sense if you are high mileage user as far as fuel savings is concerned.
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@clarkkent9080 Like I said before, most EV batteries will last well over 10+ years, with projected 15 - 20 year usable life. This is from Tesla and Toyota Pruis data from 2012 or some Prius are still running on original batteries from 15 years ago, although dimished capacity, but still at least 70% usable capacity.
Again, batteries are not moving parts like engines, so they don't degrade on mileage, rather on charge cycles and calendar time. So the higher mileage user you are the more economical it is to buy an EV (or PHEV to a lesser extent). It all depends on your use case. If you get 200k miles before EV batteries dies, you already made your money back simply from fuel cost savings. In most of pure BEVs, they should last 300k miles based on average charging schedule (20-90%). If you charge from 30-80% every time, it will last way longer. 300 - 500k miles or 15+ years. So your battery replacement argument falls apart.
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