Comments by "Joe Qi" (@i6power30) on "The Electric Viking" channel.

  1. When can't compete, change the rules.
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  2. Thanks viking for exposing the truth about China's automotive dominance and excellence and many in the West are still ignorant of this fact
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  3. I hope Japan chooses the right side. i grew up in Japan as a teenager. Privately they are not really fond of America / Western culture. They think American music is cringe, English language is awkward. We were forced to take English class in public schools, we all hated it. But they feel they have to adapt to the American culture out of fear and pressure. I remember one funny kid in class said, we have no choice but to learn English - if we didn't, you know they have those airplanes fly by and we'd all be screwed. Thene veryone including the teacher laughted. I'm sure you know what he was referring to . But privately they think their own Japanese culture is more civilized and higher level than the American. With the rise of China, this validate their view that our Asian brotherrs are just as good if not better than crude Americans.
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  4. America politics is so corrupt. Money can buy votes.
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  5. Reliability. People think old proven technology is less likely to go wrong than new unproven ones. Trade efficiency for reliability. That's always been Toyota's philospophy. Or maybe just laziness.
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  6. Airless tires have 20% more rolling resistance therefore will decrease the range. Also they are stiffer and compromises ride comfort and more road noise.
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  7. Rude awakening for German engineers with their superiority complex.
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  8. Canadian here. wish we were in Australia.
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  9. As a Canadian I'm ashamed of our government who has no backbone and consistently bend over backwards for uncle Sam.
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  10. There is also a big geopolitical risk with China. If China - West relationship deterrioates even further, it will affect all Chinese businesses. He is not wrong in selling BYD. It's a part of risk management of any good investor.
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  11. Please send them to Canada! EVs and cars in general here are too expensive and lacking variety!
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  12. Can't blame Chinese people's apprehension on Japan. Japan not only killed millions of Chinese but also conducted human experiments and other atrocities. Unlike Germany, Japan never paid a dime in reparation to China nor even admitted responsibility for atrocities commited in China.
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  13.  @dmmcmah1  In the US and Western countries, there are lots of people think ICE and diesel are cool. They are emotionally attached to the noise, vibration and exhaust smells, it tingles their senses and nastalgic of excitement in their youths. China's population for the most part don't have this baggage.
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  14. No matter what happened, it shows Elon's hot headedness, and imaturity. He was diagnosed as Autism as a child, it's not a surprise.
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  15. If ypou never heard of Shenzhen, you truly are living under a rock.
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  16. Chinese made Tesla has less panel gaps than American ones.
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  17. CATL makes the best battery. Can you imagine the depreciation of the current EVs using Korean and Japanese batteries.
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  18. All you hear from the Western media is how bad China's economy is. Yet, China's technology innovation is winning more and more business from the world. The Western economy is supported by debt and consumption. China's economy is supported be innovation and export.
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  19. Number doesn't mean much without knowing how many were sold and in use. All the top complaints seem to be the popular cars too.
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  20. As a Chinese Canadian, and early adoptor of EVs (since 2017), I welcome this news. It's brilliant move by BYD to start limited import use as Uber vehicles to show people how great their cars are, and dispell the myth of Chinese EV fire risks. Then slowly, people will demand them, and democratically elected government has to bend to people's will.
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  21. We can still get CATL battery Tesla in Canada yay
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  22. Strange, as smart as Germans are, they failed to produce any world class software companies. I think their engineering philosophy is too focused on engineering perspective, not from user perspective.
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  23. At least the Chinese are making good cars with the subsidizes. The US are making junk with all that money
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  24. I support EV but honestly this is a quite biased opinion. Driver error destroyed engine doesn't prove Toyota is unreliable under normal operation.
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  25. I'd buy a Chinese car over German car any time. Not because it's cheaper but because Chinese make higher quality cars then German cars, and more honest.
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  26. VW software team was good at making "cheating" software for its diesel vehicles, but failed to make good EV softwares. Not that surprising.
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  27. Now, Tesla's priority is to deploy armed humanoid robots at every supercharging station.
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  28. Regardless the exact numbers. The fact is that Tesla needs China more than China needs any Western auto makers. The combined BYD, geely , Nio, xpeng li auto etc. numbers has already surpassed Tesla. China would like to retain Tesla in China purely for technology hedging purposes. Ie. If Tesla breaks through any new technology China will be the first to learn and integrate it with their EVs.
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  29. VW never has incentive to maintain reliability of these chargers. They'd rather people go back to petrol cars
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  30. Constantly changing prices is kind of unethical business practice. When price rises, it angers future perspective buyers. When price drops, it angers people who already bought at higher price. It leaves a sour taste in your mouth and gives company a perception that it only cares about short term profit not giving consumer a stable price.
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  31. Very old technology from 70s. Very poor energy density. Sam are you running out of things to talk about
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  32. Japanese superiority complex
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  33. ​ @LEA82345 you are joking right? Chinese EVs are 10 years ahead of BMW, VW, Audi. German engineering is history now
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  34. They can also ban American fast food brands. Starbucks
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  35. When Elon is lying about FSD it's genius. When other CEOs exaggerate, it's needs investigation.
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  36.  @jasonbrown7330  What a brilliant insight! If you want to be rich, you just have to be smart! WOW. If that was the case, the world will have millions of billionaires! Instead, the wealth often comes with luck, instead of intelligence.
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  37. So a Japanese brand is masquerading itself as a Chinese brand because Chinese consumers see Japanese EVs as inferior to Chinese. Wow I never thought this day would come so soon.
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  38. Just a bunch of mechanical engineers at Toyota refuses to retrain and make career changes. Life long employment is a culture in Japan.
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  39. I strongly agree with this. Physical controls are more intuitive than touch screens.
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  40. They use LG chem batteries, that's why.
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  41. I have a feeling that BYD will be the Toyota of 21st century. 90% of legacy automakers will go bankrupt or be acquired by Chinese companies.
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  42. What most people don't know is that Chinese EVs are actually better built and more reliable then Western brands.
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  43. Volvo safety considerations are still the class leading.. They go far beyond standard crash tests
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  44. Such good price, and with wide selection of EVs in Australia, the EV adoption rate is still around or under 10%? What's wrong with people?
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  45. EU EV sales plumets 40%
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  46. 5 years is long term? hahahah. If any car requires major maintenance and repair cost it's a lemon! or had been abused. Wait till EVs need repairs at year 8 and beyond, all of its parts and labour are more expensive than ICE car at the moment. I'm not just talking about batteries which will pretty much write off your EV if it needs replacement. For example, AC or heat pump costs more to replace than AC units in a ICE car, among many other things. Battery pack is the biggest risk. If just one module or cell goes bad,, or BMS circuit is fried, the entire pack needs to be replaced. Rarely can they be taken apart and repaired. Whereas, a ICE car's engine can be repaired at fraction of cost (timing belt, spark plugs, coolant pumps etc. ) Yes, there are many more things can go wrong in ICE cars, but each repair is much less than the entire battery pack of an EV. A well built and maintained ICE car shouldn't have things constantly go wrong with it, especially it's from reliable brands such as Toyota and such. European brands will bankrupt you when they are old though, it depends on brands and model .
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  47. These kinds of vidoes just frustrate us North Americans. We will never have access to these nice EVs.
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  48.  @tylersen3318  Tesla is willing to eat the cost of vandalised vehicles?
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  49. Nice try $TSLA bag holder. See you at $69
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  50. How is this even legal? blocking ports?
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  51. What a breath of fresh air! An EV without gimmicky flush door handles! I'd go with Chery for sure! The infotainment screen looks cleaner than ugly BYD stuck on rectangle in the middle as well.
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  52.  @juliahello6673  If your grandfather stole from my grandfather a goldbar, and passed it on to you. Even though you are not criminally responsible for what your grandpa had done, you are still required to give it back. You get my drift?
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  53. Not just EVs. BMW X5, gas model only got 4 stars also. These legacy brands rely on customer royalty and brand perception to maintain sales. Have you looked at the reliability ratings for most of European and American cars? They are horrendous.
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  54. US politics is a clown show
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  55. In the mean while in America, people are still having heated debate over Toyota Corrola and Mazda 3. LMAO!! 10 years behind China!
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  56. I suspect there might be deeper reason Chinese cars are priced so much higher in Europe than in Australia and Thailand. If it were just BYD, sure you can say that's their chess strategy, but why do all other Chinese car makers doing the same? Xpeng, SAIC etc. they are all priced 2x compared to China prices for the same cars. I think there might be under the table deals with European legacy autos - BMW, VW, Mercedes - Don't kill us, let us survive in Europe, we will keep making BMW / VW/ Audis in China and export back to Europe.
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  57. Big questions remain on how you deal with the nuclear waste
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  58. To clarify, BYD doesn't make hybrids they make plug in hybrids. Big difference.
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  59. Buses are more efficient than small passenger cars. They don't need to accelerate fast, just slow and steady. Also given its predicatable routes and always return to the same charging stations, it's much easier to have barely enough battery range, therefore maximally utilize its batteries, unlike many passenger cars batteries sits idle most of the time parked, and 50% of their batteries barely get used a couple times a year. I would say building electric buses, taxis, delivery vehicles have far more impact on improving environment than passenger cars dollar for dollar.
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  60. Japanese people have a tendency to keep improving and perfecting something once they are good at it, even if it becomes obsolete such as internal combustion engine. Katana etc.
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  61. ICE cars and EVs age differently. ICE ages on wear and tears (mileage), EV batteries age on calendar aging and charging cycles, no wear and tears. So the ideal use case for EVs is high mileage use, especially in city driving, they beat ICE cars by far. But if you are low mileage user (less than 10kkm per year), or, your battery will still degrade with time anyway, you are not getting your money worth. If you are a grandma only driving to church every Sunday, and only use 2000km per year, then you better off with ICE car, because then it will probably last 30+ years, many military vehicles are 50 years old because they are only occassionally used for excercise, very low mileage, but regularly moved around. The real problem with modern EVs is all the high tech gadgets that breakdown and require high repair cost. You will face thousands of $$$ repair bills for infotainment, electronics, control modules etc. way before you need to replace batteries.
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  62.  @chris-t-4569  Predicting depreciation is like predicting stock prices. In 5 years, your ICE car could also depreciate even worse than EVs if society becomes more acceptable to EVs, and during this time, you also burned a lot of fuel money.
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  63. That's not true..I own a Volvo XC90 phev. I plug in everyday and 95% of miles are pure electric. Why would anyone buy a phev and never plug in? They could have bought a cheaper non plug in car then
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  64. BYD and most other Chinese EVs are not even available for sale in North America, even if you wanted to pay 100% tariff.
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  65. Government checks
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  66.  @SubwayOM  it's not about whether or not seniors with weak hands or mental reaction time should or should not be driving. A car should be made as easy as possible for anyone to drive. Even if you are young and strong there might be times you are tired or run down or distracted. The system should still be made as simple and easily as possible for drivers to react without having to look away from the road.
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  67.  @chris-t-4569  Did you watch the video? MG4 is $24k AUD. Where can you get a brand new ICE car for $10k less?
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  68.  @pontiuspirate1925  MG, BYD are economy class cars. You should try cars like NIO and Zeekr that are more premium class.
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  69.  @lkrnpk  that's why Chinese don't want to eliminate foreign brands. They want to assimilate them. Just like Borgs in star Trek
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  70. Great.. Why doesn't Bill Gates build a nuclear plant in his backyard if he feels it's so safe?
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  71. Lucid CEO is clearly not informed that Tesla is mostly Chinese already.
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  72. YEah, but FSD doesn't work. There is no visible timeline it will ever work.
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  73. To those glorious internal combustion engine engineers who spent decades perfecting their craft. It's part of German engineering heritage and art form they need to preserve instead of embracing the new. They will forever live in the glory of the past just like the Japanese.
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  74. Ave cars sold in Europe have passed crash tests and most Chinese cars outperformed BMW
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  75. I'm not surprised a cellphone company suddenly decided to make cars. Of course there will be lots of problems. In my opinion the management made a strategic error entering an already saturated and highly competitive market as a novice.
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  76. Tesla's interior is not designed for driver focused. Lack of stalks for turn signals and gear shifter, can't even check your speed without taking eyes off road. Every little change, you need to look at the stuck on tablet. With this kind of speed, it's outright dangerous to be driving a faster car like having to take eyes off road for everything you want to change and check.
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  77. It's a Trojan horse to lure other EV makers to join them. Then rug pull to make customers switch to Tesla
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  78. This is what hubris can do to you. German car this and that. Now beaten by China? LMAO
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  79. Big advantage Audi Q4 e-tron has over Tesla model Y is no stuck on tablet in the middle of dash, and normal door handles that are easier to use.
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  80. And stop over-playing the fire risk for PHEVs. Of course with two kinds of fire sources in an accident - gasoline and battery, the risk is higher. Fire risks of any vehicle is extremely low anyway for EV, ICE or PHEV. With EV being the lowest 0.002% and ICE is 0.1%. You are comparing extremely low to still extremely low. Who cares? It's like saying Japan has lower crime rate than Switzerland. Both countries are SAFE ENOUGH. Both EVs and PHEVs have low enough fire risk it's negaligable.
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  81. I wonder what percentage of components and technology are sourced from China.
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  82.  @anonimato1987  The reverse is happening now that Chinese firms like CATL has to transfer tech to Americans if they want to setup shops here. It goes both ways. Sharing technology is a good thing for the whole ecosystem to keep advancing. Protectionism will only hinder progress. It's a wishful thinking that you can just invent something once and keep making money off it forever without having to keep innovating. It'll make you lazy and complacent. The US raising tarrifs on China is an admission that we are unwilling or unable to compete with China, but rather to use political and military threat to hinder the progress of the rival.
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  83. Overall China market is in decline because of real estate rout.
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  84. You underestimate the backwardness of rural America. They will never adopt EVs and never abandon their diesel trucks.
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  85. EV batteries are more limited by calendar aging than mileage, if you drive 400k miles in 3 years, of course it can do that. But can you drive 100k in 16 years? probably not. As with all modern cars (EV or ICE), the limiting factor is usually finicky eletronics and computers that age out before 10 years. So much critical functions are dependent on fragile computers that once they break, it will cost more than the car's worth to repair and replace them. So these high tech cars will be calendar time limited than mileage. I'd really want to see a low tech EV, where most of controls are directed via analog circuits and relays that will last forever just like a transistor radio. You can still have a touch screen for navigation and infotainment, but don't put critical vehicle control functions in them, such as gear shift, climate, temperature etc. Physical door latches and windows. Then that EV will probably last 50+ years and 1M miles.
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  86. ​ @castletown999 if you live in a sunny and warm climate, don't use clothes dryer. Hang clothes in the sun to UV dry it.. UV disinfect your clothes even better.
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  87. Cupra is not German. It's Spanish
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  88. I drive a XC90 PHEV. Hands down the most luxurious driving experience in all EVs. Not to mention the safety
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  89. Phevs make the most sense when it comes to resource allocation. For just 1/4 of battery material you get 95% of carbon reduction as long as you plug in every day and only use gas engine for once or twice a year road trips or reserve for emergency.
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  90. Ice still has a place in military
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  91. Americans always question about the safety of Chinese cars. But look at their own best selling models keep Wrangler, Toyota 4Runner, Sequoia, Tacoma with horrible crash ratings by IIHS
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  92. Don't get too hang up on range efficiency. Large battery packs have other advantages such as keep your cabin warm for much longer in cold winter while stuck in traffic than an efficient EV with small battery pack - it can't go anywhere fast stuck in traffic anyway, but still have to use energy for heating.
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  93. Of course EV sales should be good in places like California and Australia where weather is mild. Most EVs are built like they will never have to be in -10c with 3 ft snow. Think low ground clearance and flush door handles that will freeze shut. Not to mention low temperature will reduce range and heating cabin reduces it further.
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  94. Viking covering this story validates his fairness and without biases.
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  95. FSD is still far from complete.
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  96. This is what happens when the population is not culturally and emotionally attached to ICE - In the US it's the diesel trucks tough workhorse mentality, in Japan and Europe, it's the gas / turbo performance stick shift hot hatch tokyo drift menality. They just can't shake off that old automotive culture in the Western countries, they even put fake engine sound in EVs. I digress.
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  97. Tesla is a car company and should be valued as such. Their tech ventures so far has not born any fruits. The only success Tesla had so far is selling lots of model 3 and model Ys. FSD, robotaxi has been in development for 6 years with no end in sight. Humanoid robots - are you kidding me? it's at least 50 years away. Energy business? It's owned by Chinese - they are just a middleman selling CATL batteries.
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  98. Toyota seems still doing well.. at least in North America and Europe as people perceive it as being r the most reliable brand. Slight sales decline in Japan is due to Toyota trying to shift supply to fulfill the Western orders and stopped taking domestic orders. It's going to be dipole world. With ice being dominated by Toyota and Mazda. EVs dominated by Tesla and Chinese. European and American legacy autos are in real danger as they make very unreliable ice cars
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  99. Americans think you need to burn fuel in V8 to feel manly.
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  100.  @wongjock648  whether not you care is irrelevant. It affects a lot of Chinese people opinions on Japan, by extension their products sale in China.
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  101. Battery design has many trade offs. Unfortunately most of the time people only focus on energy density. There is also longevity - both in terms charging cycles and calendar life. Also temperature sensitiviy, and charging / discharging rate. Often, they leave out one of them and only emphasize the one impressive metric.
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  102. "PHEV are mostly driven in petro power, that is my opinion anyways" - Sir that is your opinion and it is false. "I don't see any advantage to PHEV..." - the advantage is clear. On rare occassions you have to travel long distance you don't have to wait around for charging. For other 95% of time you don't have to burn any fuel, and save 95% of emission with absolutely no range axiety at all.
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  103. I like PHEV more than BEVs. In emergency or urgent life situations you don't have 20 minutes to wait around charging even if you are lucky enough to be near a DC fast charger that works and not occupied. I drive a PHEV with 97% of miles in pure EV mode, and plug in every other day at home. I don't think it's worth sacrificing safety, and reliability in case of emergency to squeeze out the last 3% of emission. Stop being eco-evangelists, and be more pratical. Cutting 90 - 95% of emission is a huge victory already. Getting frozen to hypothermia when stuck in traffic in winter storm because you ran out of battery to heat cabin is not the risk worth taking when you live in a cold climate like I do. Sam is blowing fire risk of PHEV out of proportion. I can't find any credible source. I drive a Volvo XC90 PHEV, at least in my community, none had fire. Maybe it's isolated to BYD problem, and not something impossible to fix as technology matures.
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  104. ICE cars don't need heat pump, there is plenty of waste heat generated from combustion process to be used to heat cabin etc.
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  105. This has nothing to do with being PHEV. It's all Rav4s, it's the 12V battery clamp down problem. Sam, you should stop bashing PHEV at every opportunity. it's simply misleading.
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  106. I drive a PHEV and use 90% less fiel, not 50%. I only need fuel twice a year when i take road trips. Everyday i plug in and never start gas engine.
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  107.  @Abebe345  It's not about how often you have to use it. It only takes one mistake to crash your car. It should be as easy to operate as possible to be safe. It is clearly disadavantageous with no stalk, and yet you are defending it as if it's some stroke of genius Tesla came up with cost cutting measure.
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  108. Except that the premise of driverless robotaxis are complete fantasy and will not come for at least 20 years.
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  109.  @elapplzsl  Yes, for some poeple like myself only drive 3 - 5 k miles per year, a Toyota Corola will last 30 years. I know some 40 - 50 year old military vehicles are still in use because they are only used for training excercises and maintained meticulously. So in a sense he is not wrong. It all depends on the usage and application.
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  110. They did. But brought it back when stock crashed to 52wk low
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  111. EV demand is slowing there is no sugar coating on it. The path to electrification is not a smooth one. They need to make EVs with less high tech focus. Simpler EVs that are easier to repair and keep for long term. Not everyone needs a computer on wheels.
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  112. Anyone who believe in "self-charging" claims didn't even finish highschool level physics and don't deserve to own a car anyway. Same can't be said with Tesla's FSD misleading feature name.
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  113.  @byddf  Nothing wrong with PHEVs if you plug in and use EV mode over 95% of time. It saves your ass on those 5% of time when you are in emergency and no time or can't find charger.
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  114. Ex30 has real physical door handles as opposed to most other EVs flush door handles that can freeze shut in swedish winter
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  115.  @nguyep4  Tesla is increasingly relying on Chinese supply chain. When people realize 80% of parts in Tesla are made in China it'll lift the negative perception of all other Chinese breads around the world
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  116. You can't simply extrapolate charging cycles to calendar age. Battery internal chemistry degrades with time depending on temperature etc, independent of charging cycles.
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  117. Toyota actually owned big part of Tesla but sold too early thinking they couldn't possibly succeed.
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  118. Since when is subsidies are criminal? The US subsidizes its farmers, as with many other countries. EU subsudizes heavily on Airbus. I think government subsidies are all fair and game. Results may vary if a country can afford it.
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  119. ​ @jb5music sodium battery cars still have less range. But if charging infrastructure built out range won't be as important. I'm all for sodium
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  120.  @mikedelicus  I never they hated Western culture. They just think their own is superior. They admire European cultures such as English and French. But they definitely think American cultural sophistication is really low and crude. They only respect American miltary strength, that's all. Culturally speaking, they don't think much of Americans.
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  121.  @JebusHypocristosX  I'm simply asking you what do you did on bad weathers. Why do you have to be rude and call me ignorant and foolish? Are you that hubrous thinking you are better than everyone else just because you have solar panels? I live in Ontario as well, and interested in how you did it and how much it cost. What was the total cost of installing the panels including the high pressure air system to clean out the snow?
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  122. The worst cars in China are the best ones in America. Poor Americans have to pay so much money for crappy GM and Ford.
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  123. You can't. Legacy autos will be live and well in the West thanks to the protectionism and "decoupling from China". It will take decades for the West to fall drastically behind China technologically to be forced to adapt.
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  124. It is the workers who are lazy
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  125. Elon is too busy chasing the dragon called FSD / AI robots.
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  126. Why so much anger against EVs? Are you worried they will make your petrol V8 cars uncool in a couple years?
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  127. ​ @christophmartin5381 I don't know about that. Most of trucks I see here in North America go well above 110km/h
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  128. However, they will not be able to penetrate US and EU markets because of political blocks.
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  129. EV transition overall will be slower than expected especially in the West minus Norway. All these stocks will suffer in the next few years.
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  130. Japan should focus on what it does the best. Maid cafes and takoyaki
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  131. 200k miles in 3 years is much different than 200k miles in 10 years. Calendar aging is a more significant factor than mileage. Im willing to bet 100k miles in 10 years will have more degradation than 200k miles in 3 years.. Thus EVs are more suitable for high utilization applications such as deliveries or Uber.
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  132. I watched many interviews and read many reports. None of the discuss the longevity or cycle life of Si-anode battery, as if they are trying to evade the subject. I read an independent study that they can only cycle about 100 - 300 times before swelling problems hit. they probably can improve on this figure, but not by much at least not even close to the current LFP batteries.
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  133.  @sensibility3009  I worked in AI research for 10 past years, I don't see any theoretical frameworks that enables AGI. MIT worked on self driving for several decades, so is Standford. General concensus in academia is that you need AGI for level 4 or 5 full self driving. Tesla's Andre Karpathy leaving in 2022 is an indication that even the industry's best can't find a easy path to full autonomy. Tesla's current FSD lead doesn't have a strong credential or track record. Maybe if the Chinese has an ace up its sleeves, I don't see FSD come to reality for at least 10 years or more.
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  134. No EVs don't have to be computers on wheels. Tesla started the trend but you can use simple controllers to drive electric motors, it's not rocket science. BYDs lack autononomous features like Tesla, but it also has less complicated software therefore more reliable and will not "brick" the car. The more features you put in the more likely you have a bug to brick the car - ie. Tesla
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  135. False. EVs battery pack has calendar life of 10, maybe 15 years at most. Sure EVs can more miles in short amount of time with much less maintenance than ICE. But ICE can last longer in calendar years if moderately driven. Some ICE cars can last 30 - 40 years if well maintained and low mileage. No EVs can last that long no matter how low mileage you use. It's more a function of age than miles.
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  136. The problem with this is that GM/ Ford's truck's traditional customers tend to be old fashioned folks who don't care for high tech gadgets such as large touchscreen, complicated software menus, and GM and Ford are bad at software anyways, so instead of using their strengths, they are strenuating their weaknesses trying to compete with Tesla in vain because their customers rather have traditional physical controls, and simple user interface without having to deal with software delays and crashes. They would have made an EV truck with lower cost if they just kept all the controls physical like Toyota does, and will sell more.
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  137. Sounds like they already gave up on markets that lets Chinese EVs compete on level field. They will just focus on surviving in America and EU.
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  138. I lived in Japan for 5 years. I can understand why they are so adamant about hydrogen vs battery EVs, other than charging speed. It's because as a culture they prefer tangible things. They prefer to "refuel" the car with some liquid or substance rather than "charge" the car with invisible electricity. The same reason they still prefer using fax machines, buy CDs/DVDs. Paper currency is still common place instead of credit card or mobile payments. They just like tangible things. They have hard time thinking about abstraction, makes average Japanese uncomfortable.
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  139. I'm skeptical given the track record of Japanese companies not innovating. They usually over-promise and under-deliver.
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  140. The outrage is that Volvo EX30 is about $10k more in Canada than the US because it qualifies for iZev incentive
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  141. Why can't you just turn lanes assist off
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  142. In the next video Sam will admit he is also not real, but an AI generated avatar. Which explains why he can make videos every hour without sleeping or rest.
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  143. I think Geely is very hopeful. I bought in right after it announced the Zeekr 007 Golden batteries - showing its innovative spirit. Also with Volvo brand under its portfolio, it has a trojan horse into the western market.
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  144. More important question is does the US extradite American citizens to China if they committed traffic violations?
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  145. How did Japan go from the most futuristic to the most backward country in the world?
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  146. What do you do in winter when there could be days without sun. Also you have to clean out the snow covering the panels
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  147. Keep dreaming
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  148. I wouldn't say so. They are outdated tech, but quality is still decent for their ICE models at least. Toyota ICE cars will last longer than most EVs in number of years if mileage is not excessively high.
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  149.  @turningpoint4238  HUD is not old fashioned and very cool and useful. Only reason Tesla doesn't have it is to save cost.
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  150.  @gregdean8441  nobody wants to keep a fossil junk car for that long. pace of innovation my friend.
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  151. Doesn't matter how much vompute and data you throw at it.. If you got the wrong model you will never achieve full autonomy
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  152. Viking doesn't like the interior? but praises Tesla's stuck on tablet that looks like some cheap aftermarket mods bolted onto the center dash? He is also skeptical about Xiaomi and Huawei cars because they never made cars before? Didn't legacy autos say the same thing about Tesla when they first got started? Come on Viking, you are full of contraditions adnd obviously a Tesla shiller, and double standard when it comes to Tesla, and there is everyone else. It is obvious even Elon is afraid of Chinese competition, and we will see Tesla losing market share everywhere except North America where Chinese cars are banned.
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  153. Chinese EVs are already sold in Europe and Australia, and they not just meet, but exceed Euro NCAP crash tests. Is America all that much better than even Europe and Australia?
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  154. I'm surprised they are still around. All around garbage cars.
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  155. If you look at these crash tests. They are always done from the same angles. Often when the new models come out, they fail, then next year or two, they fix just that part of car to pass the crash test. The only cars I would trust if they passed the crash tests on the first year the model came out. It means that automaker has done its crash tests internally to make sure its safety not just bandaid fix afterwards. Because these bandaid fixes can pass IIHS crash tests, but if the car is hit from a slightly different angle in real life crashes as they almost always do, then it's not so safe anymore.
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  156.  @jjjxoxoxo  they have to stay profitable they have so much debt. If they make one wrong move they go bankrupt. EV several years ago was a risk they could not afford to take. Now it's too late to catch up
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  157. I actually think it's good looking, since the first time I laid my eyes on. I don't get why people think it's ugly??
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  158. Where do you store nuclear waste?
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  159.  @GG-si7fw  Tesla is cutting corners, yet you are praising them. what a cult following.
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  160.  @rogerphelps9939  Oh but you NEED Tesla if you want FULL FSD, so you can play games or take a nap while the car takes you to where you need to go .. Oh wait... you can't do that yet... Oh I thought Elon said it was coming 3 years ago..
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  161. Cybertruck is a flop so far. Poor offroad performance. Unimpressive range. I doubt Tesla is making much money on it, production is slow.
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  162. Unlocking is just a fancy way of saying reducing the buffer.. It'll negatively affect the longevity as a trade-off
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  163. It's sad. Bolt is actually really good EV compared to Tesla. Very simple and with traditional physical controls and affordable. It's a good alternative for someone who wants an EV but not computer on wheels
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  164. But Toyota has always been lagging in tech even among ice cars. They never went to the latest and newest tech, instead focus on old proven tech for reliability, and that's what Toyota buyers usually look for. So this is a moot point
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  165. I read a study sometime ago that it's not about the frequency of charging battery, but the from what level to what level. If you charge only from 35% - 75% say 8000 cycles, it will still be better than charging from 5% to 100% only 1000 cycles. The latter "deep cycle" charging actually does more damage to the battery than frequent "shallow" charging.
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  166.  @benmlee  brilliant ViC and investor. Yes. Engineer? A good engineer but falling short of genius as many believe him to be. Creating an EV is not exactly difficult. Many engineers can do it and they don't even need to be genius.. Creating autonomous vehicles? Many of the smartest computer and neural scientists at top universities have struggled for decades. Elon thought he could do it in a couple years even as back as 2019. Yet we are still nowhere close in 2024.. it just goes to show Elon is not some kind of super genius he couldn't even evaluate the difficulty level of a project. His naivety may have given him the confidence to take risks others didn't and with his celebrity status came with funding and support to make it happen. It's not his genius or insight that made him successful like many of his cult followers like to believe. And now he is betting heavily on AI and robots I think will fail spectacularly as his followers are way underestimating the time required to achieve it. It's possible AI and robots become viable technology in 10-20 years but in the mean time the volatility of TSLA stock will likely to shake out many believers.
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  167. Thank God for that. I trust Chinese quality management than any European or American car companies.
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  168. Phevs are better than bev.
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  169. So all the big techs, Google, Microsft, Amazon investing heavily on nuclear are all making financial mistakes? Maybe the cost of land lease for renewables and field of batteries could cost even more than nuclear?
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  170. Every country has debt. It's the Western media blowing China's economic problems out of proportion.. China's GDP growth is still equal or above that of USA last I checked.
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  171. EV battery pack calendar ages, regardless how many miles you drive. Unlike gas cars if you drive fewer miles and do proper maintenance, reliable engines such as from Toyota can pretty much last forever, EVs will just expire after 12 years, as battery chemistry simply degrade. No amount of careful maintanance will delay this aging process beyond 10 - 12 year mark.
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  172. Lack of refuelling infrasture is not a good argument against hydrogen. Any new technology has unreliable and lacking infrastracture, EV no exception. 10 years ago, charging stations were even less and urneliable. The real argument against hydrogen is inefficiency, and storage and transportation of presurized hydrogen tanks are very costly.
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  173. What's your love affair with Toyota?
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  174. Why are big techs like Amazon and Google investing heavily in nuclear? Land use of solar and battery farms could be a limitation.
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  175.  @zachmoyer1849  that's true but for grid storage there cheaper options than pressurized hydrogen. Salt water flow battery for example
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  176. BS. It'll never work
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  177. People don't hate EVs, they hate computer on wheels. All the new cars are "connected devices" with a stuck on tablet to replace all physical buttons. You have to dig through menus to do everything you were able to do to with a push a button in an older car. Some people rather keep old cars they are used to simplicity, than having to deal with computer on wheels and being tracked everywhere they go. Please make a simple analog EV, none of the digital computer, full self driving BS.
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  178. I see bifurcation of China completing electrification but the West falling behind in 5 years or so, with exception of Norway perhaps. The West will still be filled with gas gazlers in 5 years. Just look at Toyota sales globally they are still selling ice cars very well in the US and Europe, but in China. The western people love their rumble sound of ice, and Americans will never allow Chinese car inport with the way trade tension is going
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  179. I would buy it if it were available in Canada. Phevs are good
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  180.  @steinbauge4591  true but they can still make reliable EVs without all the computers and tech.
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  181. Perhaps in military applications. In civilian trasportation, EVs can replace 95%+ of ICE cars.
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  182. Investment plus hard work and talents. You need all ingredients
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  183. FSD is still full of bugs. It's far from being useful
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  184.  @DavidSeto-i2q  because Germany at least attempted to make right by paying reparations to holocaust survivors. Americans to native Indians and descendants of slavery. Whether or not they are enough is debatable but at least they admitted the wrong and paid some reparations. Japan did none.
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  185. I'm pretty sure US government will ban Chnese EVs regardless where they come from.
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  186. I bought a Volvo phev xc90. It's a very nice car air suspension. For the money you get allot of car and luxury features not to mention Volvo safety. I drive 95% miles in EV mode. But knowing there is a backup option in case of emergency i don't have to wait for charging it gives me a peace of mind being a care taker of elderly parents and a young child.
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  187. Toyota has better resale value than Tesla whether or not it's green or not.
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  188.  @IverKnackerov  This super capable CEO invested in Nikola
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  189. At this rate, the whole of West, US, Europe amd Japan will fall behind China in terms of technology in 10 years. EV adoption in China will for sure be close to 100% in 10 years, while in the west, there will still be plenty of old school petroheads who will refuse to drive EVs. Tesla might move their head office to China, so will some semiconductor and battery makers. What kind of world will it be that the tech leader is a communist non-democracy, whereas democratic countries get bogged down by beaurocracy and innefficient government?
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  190. Viking is pumping out so many Tesla videos trying to save $TSLA stock slump. Good luck, it's not going to change the fact that FSD / robotaxi is a flop. See you below $100!
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  191. where is the scam? these buyers should have known better.
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  192. Beware Sam quotes USD if he wants to make a point about affordability of the car, but uses AUD when he wants to make a point how expensive the car is. lol
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  193. Modern cars - both EV and ICE longevity are limited by electronic or computer components aging out rather than traction batteries or mechanical parts. Most EV battery packs fail not because cells fail, but BMS module failure first. Further complicating the issue is difficulty in repairing such issues, often battery packs are integrated tightly in car's chasis. Even a small resistor or capacity fail would require expensive labour cost to diagnoze and repair one single electronic component.
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  194. Same as TEsla. You only hear about 4 year old Teslas doing 300k miles, but you never hear about tons of Teslas with only 50k miles (but 10 yo) needing $25k battery replacement. All EV batteries die eventually, and need replacement. Sam doesn't like to talk anything negative about Tesla, what a useless biased video. If you just google, the top EV brands with battery replacement, is Tesla and Nissan Leaf. Bolt EVs have had battery recalls with free new battery packs. Bolt EVs also ranked higher in long term reliability than Tesla. What a load of BS this video is. Sam should disclose he holds Tesla stock before spewing his biased opinions.
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  195. Tesla has no moat around its battery business, as Chinese CATL and BYD etc, will gradually eat away their margin as they become more well known. For now, Tesla relies on its name brand. Software argument is laughable, a 13 year old can write an if statement - if grid rate is high use battery, If grid rate is low charge the battery lol. I've been in software consulting business most of my life, I know how ignorant top management is and willing to shell out big money for something new and shiny, even if it's dead simple. Energy storage business is new and mysterious to most. Therefore, you can upsell a lot by making it sound mysterious and complicated. In early days of iPhone and Android (2011, 12) I've sold several very simple mobile apps for tens of thousands dollars of what took me a a couple of days to make. Many of them amounts to just less than a hundred lines of code.
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  196.  @uselesstable2058  no it will only hurt the US. McDonald's left Russia they are doing just fine with their own brands
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  197.  @guygordon2780  Not really. There is objective truth to cultural sophistication and richness of one's history. America and Canada are "new" countries with very short histories, and most of population are immigrants. They bring their own cultures from Europe, Asia etc. There is very little unique American culture that can be compared to richness of European and Asian cultures. It's not subjective, it's objective. Cowboy hats, boots and fast food culture really can't compare to chateau of versailles, Roman colosseum, or Forbidden city of Beijing. No, nothing in America comes even close.
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  198.  @scottmcshannon6821  It's an indication of overall quality not that panel gaps themselves aren't that important.
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  199. Owned by VW but I believe cupra is Spanish DNA
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  200. Tesla sales down 8% year over year. They just realized lowering price didn't keep growth going. Might as well squeeze more profits from the famboys instead.
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  201. This analogy to horse drawn carriage is getting old and honestly is not the same. the leap from horse to cars is much greater than the leap from ice to EV.
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  202. Finally an EV with regular door handles. Just replace that stuck on tablet with integrated touchscreen I'll buy one.
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  203. Disappointed it's not a convertible. Who cares about crazy speed if it doesn't have a style?
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  204. Looks like Norwegians still have attachments and blind faith in Japanese cars.
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  205. Congrats. Now you can never go out of your town without spending an hour preplanning the charging stops and backup plans in case the chargers fail or occupied.
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  206. You still need fuel for cooking and heating when camping in cold weather. Going all electric in an off grid environment is foolish
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  207. It was a revealing earnings call. Elon admitted fsd was hsrder then expected.. cyber truck production will be slow. They have no pricing power. EV adoption will be slower than expected
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  208. Frankly I think its hopeless for most of legacy auto makers to catch up on EVs.
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  209.  @89bazoly  lucky you. Here in Canada they used to go as fast as they wanted. Often I look at my rearview mirror there is a tractor trailer riding on my ass and I was already going 120km. They sometimes go 150km when there is no police. Only a few years ago they mandated putting speed limiters in the trucks to 110km. But occasionally you still still encounter illegally modified ones that go over that limit.
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  210.  @renewablerecon  people will pay the absolute minimum they have to for any goods. If the newer stuff is better and cost less, the older stuff will depreciate even if nothing wrong with them.
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  211. How is their charging and grid infrastructure coping?
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  212. Sinophobia in Europe, plus they are conscious about Chinese invading one of their most important industries - auto. In markets that BYD is doing well - Australia, NZ and Asia, there is no significant grassroot auto industry.
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  213.  @Erikkrols  Maybe you can eek out a couple more years. But in theory liquid battery chemistry has an expiry date. The capacity does not diminish linearly, it accelerates, it's not going to take another 10 years to go from 90-80%. it'll probaby take 1 - 2, then once it's under 80% it'll fall off the cliff or suddenly fail completely. Some military trucks are still in service from 50 years ago. No smart electronics or computers, just pure mechincal trucks. EVs will never be able to last that long.
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  214. @FrankiePo89  yeah tell that to Trump and Americans
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  215. If you limit fossil fuel industry in places like Australia and Canada, where at least they are trying to do it in a responsible and less environmentally damaging way, you will push production into Middle East and Russia, where far worse emission and pollution will be generated.
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  216. Tesla should be advancing battery tech but they are not. They only focus on AI and such useless work
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  217. BYD's PHEV reliability problem is probably growing pain because they are relatively newer than BYD's BEVs. I hope it's temporary, as PHEV is far more pratical than BEV and still cuts down 95%+ of emission. It's also more sustainable once these growing pains have been resolved, which I'm confident BYDs will be able to.
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  218. The problem is that AI only has vision it doesn't feel human under the car. It has no sense of hearing, balance or bump under the car. The current state of AI is not yet practical enough
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  219. There are 3 major crash test agencies, IIHS, Euro NCAP, and NFTA. Each one does a little differently. For example, BMW X5 received top safety rating from IIHS, but only 4 stars from NFTA. When I was deciding on purchasing a PHEV SUV, that was the reason I decided to go with Volvo XC90 over BMW X5. Volvo not only receive 5 stars from all crash tests, but they go above and beyond with their own tests by crashing an XC90 every month from different angles and road conditions to mimick real life accidents to check and improve its safety. No other car companies are as deligent on safety as Volvo.
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  220. EU tarrifs only EVs, not ICE cars says everything about their motive.
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  221. The only brightside is GM has 34% stake in Wuling.
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  222. Very true. I used to own a BMW.. disappointed at its reliability and honestly the quality is barely adequate for its price. I think Germans are good at marketing is all
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  223. Wind turbine blades need to be replaced every 10 years and currently cannot be recycled. Plus the noise generated for the nearby residents is unbearable.
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  224. Sad that most of Americans still believe Chinese cars are cheap (by implication, unsafe and low quality), just like in the early 2000s.
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  225. This is truly an ignorant comment
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  226.  @Michael-Has-Opinions  the US business is less than half of Tesla global revenue. When you just say Tesla as a whole it doesn't only mean Tesla US. Even the batteries made in the US will soon be licensing CATLs LFP technology.
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  227. ​​ @colintawn3535 musk once touted Tesla cars will never depreciate but only appreciate when FSD and robotaxi come out. Lol That man should be thrown in prison for misleading marketing FSD that kills people and destroys investors wealth.
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  228.  @ghrosenb  It will not be solved in a week or two, or a year or two. I promise you that.
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  229. EV fire risk is a big one. We should not be in denial about it. EV fires are statistically less frequent than ICE car fires, but its intensity and temperature is so much that it poses more danger to the surrounding. I understand that fire can start after a collision or accident for both EVs and ICE, but I'd like to know the stats on parked vehicle fires. How often do ICE car spontaneously burst into flames in a crowded car park?
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  230. For the most part, Chinese people follow government mandates. In the West we have more of a healthy debate on all major issues. That tends to slow things down. For good or bad
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  231.  @nguyep4  There are some anecdotal evidence that Teslas coming out of Giga Shanghai has better fit and finish and less panel gaps than the America made. You are right that integrity and morals are important in the final finished product. No amount of quality control is enough to replace individual worker's dedication and attention to details. We all have heard that Japan made Toyotas are superior to America made, and German made BMWs and Audis are better than South African BMWs and Mexican Audis. These stories are true. East Asians take their jobs just a little more seriously than North Americans on average. The unions in the US have made many workers jaded, and entitled.
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  232. Americans want a car that has a soul - meaning a vibrating engine (heart), and makes farting noises.
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  233. In the southern States, Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama etc they still proudly driving around diesel trucks and shunning EVs. Stuck in the past like Amish
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  234. Nice try Viking trying to single handedly save the Tesla stock. But people are tired of the same old boring Tesla model 3. They can't make exciting cars, just computer on wheels
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  235. $TSLA stock is a dead money until FSD breakthrough which I very much doubt anytime soon. If FSD is still not done by next year, stock will be under $90
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  236. It'll be interesting to see if Australia and Britain will be forced by other Western allies to also ban / raise exorbitantly high tariffs on Chinese EVs.
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  237. Tiny cars like this will never take off in North America.
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  238. Tesla power wall is really a dumb solution and expensive one for home storage.
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  239. We all know what a great stock picker you are..byd, Tesla? Short Toyota? You are what we call cramner indicator.
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  240. Toyota can talk the talk.
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  241. I appaud Toyota for retaining physical buttons. Much easier to use than everything in touch screens.
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  242. I recently seen many YouTube influencers from Europe started reviewing BYD and their options are overwhelming positive in comparison to Tesla. Maybe the tide is starting to turn and this is the Tesla peak.
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  243. You will be surprised how stubborn and stupid senior management of legacy autos are. Especially in Japanese corporate culture. They feel they are the best and smartest.
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  244. ​ @Jeff.55649 not bots. Real Chinese people living in Canada and the US. We don't share sinophobia sentiment as old white men.
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  245.  @yankrizzuto6760  Taiwan is free to destroy themselves in the parliament
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  246.  @HAIDARAVEN  And I'm surprised how many people still beleive in Elon Musk's next year promises? Who is more clueless Elon or them?
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  247. BYD seal copies so much from model 3 it's disgusting
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  248.  @whynotstartusingyourbrain8726  You need to get your head checked. I never said I don't know how to operate a Tesla, I'm saying it's less robust and intuitive because you have to use your eyes to look at touch screen to touch the correct spot. That takes attention away from driving, and is dangerous, and longer reaction delays. With physical controls, once you are familiar with the position, you can just reach down with your hand and push, pull, twist or whatever, you don't need to look, you can feel it with your hand. Tesla removed physical controls in favour of touch screen because they want to cut cost, not to benefit consumers.
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  249. And those people will regret a few years from now seeing the depreciation of their cars as fuel prices rise and government restrictions and taxes on fossil fuels
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  250. I don't get it either. There is so much energy loss during conversion processes. It's literally worse technology than PHEV
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  251. For sure. I think Sam has personal vendetta against anything with petrol engine because his wife's cancer's cause. I sympathize with their pain, but I think it's good to keep in mind that he may be biased. I have owned both EVs and PHEVs. I like my experience with PHEV much better.
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  252.  @teardowndan5364  I'm not sure about the fire risk, but the winter comfort and practicality is the reason I switched from BEV to PHEV. I'm from Canada too. I think In order for BEV to be pratical in colder regions, BEVs need to come with dedicated heater fueled by ethanol or biodiesel, so that battery can be preserved for range only, not wasted for cabin heating. Some Chinese EVs already come with that. However Western car makers still trying to cater mostly to environmental evangelists who cringe at any idea of emission, even the slightest negaligable amount.
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  253.  @teardowndan5364  you realize the amount of fuel needed for heating is miniscule compared to locomotion right? One lb propane bottle can provide enough heat for 5 hours in an average cabin. There is no waste in burning fuel to get heat. Lots of waste to burn fuel to generate electricity or kinetic energy
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  254. Tesla is lighter because it uses thinner sheet metals and less insulation and sound deadening materials.
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  255. @ev.whyking also sunroof that can open and close
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  256.  @PyroShields  Also the lack of charging infrastructure. Especially for people living in apartments.
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  257. Cheaper or expensive is not a justification. EVs were expensive initially. Solar was expensive 10 years ago. Nuclear expenses is mostly come from regulation and human resources. It is inherently clean energy.
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  258. The major problem is grid infrastructure being able to handle peak demand. Not just daily average. But during peak travel season such as holidays and sporting events and concerts.
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  259. Australians love the reliability of Toyotas polluting engines.
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  260. Yeah, and at what cost? Also we have military personels on board to guard them from taken by pirates and terrorists, not so in civilian chips. Should the nuclear fuel fall into wrong hands, it could be catastrophe.
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  261. Toyota's chief scientist is an American? Japanese bent over backwards to their colonizer overlord is astonishing!
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  262.  @frank4425  Tesla has failed to deliver FSD it claims to be just a few months away for the past 6 years. It'll be ironic if they crack it with the help of Baidu.. Who is copying who? Hmm?? My prediction for over a year now that Tesla will eventually become a Chinese company moving most of its R AND D to China
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  263. But they don't have world reserve currency like the USA. They can't just run money printer like uncle Sam can.
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  264.  @FrankGallagherr  also the flush door handles freeze in winter. They make little difference to range as I drive mostly in local traffic.. truly a useless gimmick.
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  265. How is your Tesla stock doing? dead money for the last 3 years?
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  266. Japan is good at continuing improvements and refinement of existing technology, not good at paradigm shift. As you see from hardware electronics to softwares. Now ice to EVs. They don't like big changes
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  267. We all know Sam likes to cherry pick data to prop up his Tesla stock bag.
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  268. I have a feeling that NIO will go bankrupt within a couple years, then get bought up by a legacy auto - GM most likely.
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  269. Doesn't seem biased to me . Maybe you are brain washed to believe Japanese cars are still better
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  270.  @prophotoservices  he couldn't have changed the world without his supporters. And he simply picked the right project and got lucky. Many have tried to electrify transportation before him, but they lacked the popularity to get enough momentum and funding to overcome the fossil fuel monopoly. It's not that they were not as smart as Elon. I think many engineers are way smarter than him but didn't have his celebrity status that's all. Now just because Tesla charged the world, his supporters are easy to think Elons every action is genius. That's a very simplistic thinking and false
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  271. I agree with solar and EV predictions as they are just industrial scaling up. But don't extrapolate it until AI predictions they are technically completely different animals. We are no where close to even having a working prototype.
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  272.  @wolfgangpreier9160  What's wrong with their safety now? You can say you don't like their design / performace / feature / price etc. Their safety is still better than some of the brands you mentioned. Almost all of them are 5 star safety ratings, All Volvos passed IIHS small overlap crash tests the first time it was introduced. Most of other car makers failed on the first year when it was introduced, but only fixed it afterwards. Volvo does their own inhouse crash tests way before IIHS or Euro NCAP test them. In my book, Volvo and Tesla, now maybe BYD are the only trustworthy safe cars. BTW, you mentioned Mazda in your safe brand list, FYI, 2023 CX-9 failed IIHS moderate overlap test.
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  273. Those shiny new EVs they've been shoving down our throat just a few months ago are already depreciating in value sharply because of connector change. How is it going to give consumers any confidence future technology charges are not going to obsolete any EVs you buy now?
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  274. ​ @treg9492 Teslas with Chinese batteries. More profit to go China
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  275. Doesn't matter. Tesla stock will keep tanking under $100
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  276. Exactly. Japanese people are actually the most hard working. But the trouble is they work on wrong things often. Talking about fool's errands
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  277. Tesla's Achilles heel is FSD. It's a flopp
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  278. Tesla FSD can do "full" self driving without driver intervention? Robotaxi announcement in August 8 will for sure require geo fencing as well. fanboi
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  279. I wonder how long it'll take for it to rust. Without paint or cover
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  280. I can just imagine comment section filled with ignorant comments like I'll never buy a Chinese EV no matter how cheap they are, they are combustable, dangerous etc. etc. Just rebadge Chinese cars as European brands, these people will lap it up like greatest thing ever lol.
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  281. More people started to realize cons of EVs and reevaluate whether or not EVs fit their life's needs and financial abilities.
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  282.  @markmiller8903  He is not wrong. an engine can last 30 - 40 years, EV battery will last 12 - 15 years tops, no matter how well maintained they are.
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  283.  @KP-xi4bj  business insiders did a survey on battery replacement age for EVs. Some 20-30% of Tesla model S and Nissan leafs of 12-13 years of age require battery replacement. Again mileage is not a limiting factor for EV longevity as is with ice vehicles. Calendar age is .
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  284. You should like a preacher or a cult
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  285. Used EVs are more expensive to repair then ice cars that's why
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  286. The biggest mistake Tesla is making
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  287. When Carlos says EV he means both Bev and phevs. In the US there are several models of phevs by stelantis. Jeep phevs for example
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  288. EV and self driving are completely different game. You can have self driving on a gas car also. Just because Tesla can mass produce EVs, doesn't mean they can succeed in full self driving. I think they are not even close.
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  289. Don't bite off the hands that feed you!
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  290. How do you make sure the data can't be falsified? We have seen that even crash test data can be falsified
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  291. Made in India stuff will probably suffer in quality
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  292. The West is slow to adopt EVs because combustion engine cars are so deeply ingrained in people's psyche it's difficult to paradigm change. It's easier for China as allot of people first vehicles are EVs. They never "loved" a combustion engine car before they have no attachments to the old rumbling machines.
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  293. I wonder why Germany needs tariff American cars. No one would want them even without 10% tariff.
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  294. Hybrids have important use cases
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  295. I pay for YouTube premium so their ads don't reach me, or many other high networth individuals, but only reach those who are low income or too cheap to pay $10/ month
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  296. I agree. Volvo is much better than most of German car manufacturers when it comes to electrification.
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  297. ​ @alexandermelbaus2351 unless it's emergency you can wait.. If it's emergency do you care about the rates
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  298. FSD is a completely different ball game compared to just scaling to production. This promise might just fall
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  299. Sam is desperately pumping out Tesla videos after disasterous earnings report and conference call. Toyota stock mean while up 50% in the past year, $TSLA down 30% in the past 6 months. So much for EV revolution eh? I like EVs, but hate Tesla's business practices and trying to mislead consumers and investors with false FSD promises and robots. Cutting corners in cars by removing useful physical controls, and replace it with ugly stuck-on tablet, annoying over the air software update that's always changing menu items you can't find. None of these computer on wheels designs have ANYTHING to do with electric drivetrain which I love. What's worse is that these trends are being copied by other auto manufacturers thinking consumers like them. Instead of trying to make high quality EV, that's comfortable, intuitive and durable, long lasting like Toyotas, Tesla is making cheap throw-away appliances depreciates worse than European luxury cars - sucking in young and naive buyers with lots of money to waste.
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  300. This kind of story send chills up my spine. You should not be driving if you rely on FSD.
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  301. I think the growth will slow down in next couple of years. Realize the growth up until this point is made up of large part due to early adopters and enthusiasts. At some point these people will run out, and average people are slower to adopt. Also some problems of EVs will surface - such as long term reliability, and repair costs etc. will result in lower resale value. A lot of people will choose to wait until cost come down and industry matures more.
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  302. It's really a not a big deal. Other luxury cars had adaptive headlight had this for years.
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  303. Nuclear has land use advantage. If you factor in long term cost of land lease cost of solar farms and battery arrays, the cost might exceed that of nuclear.
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  304. Don't keep it after the warranty.. They are junk
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  305. UK Harry Potter and spice girls. They will always make money selling merchandise
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  306. In 5 years land cruiser will be worth twice as much as kia. You do the math how much gas savings you will get for that depreciation. Depending on your mileage
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  307.  @ghrosenb  it may seem to work flawlessly for some people because they the the fixed commute route. But there is no guarantee it'll still work just as well if you drive elsewhere or even in the same route a novel situation arises. Humans are more flexible can react to novel never seen before situations.. AI models require millions times more data to train and still stumble sometimes on novel data. That's the danger of assuming it will work because it worked flawlessly in past situations there is no proof that it can react to a novel situation never encountered in its training data
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  308.  @NathanBullard-i9k  I didn't say it to never work. I simply said there is no visibility when it will work. Sure if they have something developing in secrecy that's better than anything we already know it might work. I'm just not as confident as you that it will work for sure in near term . To claim that you must know something rest of us don't or a blind faith in Elon musk.
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  309. Viking will blow himself up with $TSLA stock. Just don't go down with him.
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  310. I would say that commercial vehicles are even more important to electrify than personal vehicles. They have higher utilization rate, and in case of city buses and last mile delivery vehicles, they have a lot of stop and go's which EVs have a lot more higher efficiency than gas cars.
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  311. Yet average EVs still depreciate more than Toyota gas cars.
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  312.  @JoeyBlogs007  Frankly, German made Merc. BMW, Audi are all craps as well. They crumple like paper in collisions. All engine parts are made of plastic that rot away after 5 years. Over priced pieces junk German cars are, British Jaguars and Land Rovers are even worse.
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  313. On extending EV life, the current culture of pairing everything high tech with EVs are the main problem of high maintenance / repair costs of older EVs, not the batteries. Many electronics components, infotainment touch screen, autonomous sensors etc, breakdown as they age, and requiring tremendous repair costs. It's fine to have bells and whistles, but I wish EV makers would focus on making more robust, reliable EVs than depending core functionality on high tech gadgets. ie. If one or some of these bells and whistles stop working, you can still operate the car without costly repairs - don't put all the core functionality in the stuck on tablet touch screen. When it goes out, you can't use the car at all. It needs to be more reliable and long lasting.
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  314. Japanese cars have always been unsafe historically and now. I looked at IIHS crash tests of various cars over time. When IIHS first introduced smaller overlap frontal crash tests, almost all Toyota, Honda and other Japanese cars failed. Only some GM models in domestic passed barely. VW, Audi all failed. BMW and Mercedes passed ok. Volvo passed with flying color. A couple of years after this test was run, all Japanese and Korea brands ammended their design to pass this test. This just goes to show you they treat safety as patch work. Only fix the minimum required to pass a crash test from specific angle.To even do that, they have to cheat. Who knows how weak their car is if it's collided at slightly different angle in real world crashes.
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  315. ​​ @b3arwithm3 how do you figure that? You like paying more for stuff? If not for China, everything you buy will cost 5x more, and with inferior quality I might add.
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  316.  @elmohead  yes but the more complex the software the more likely it will have bugs and brick the car. Simpler it is the more reliable
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  317. Watch mit artificial intelligence lecture series for some reality check. Tesla's approach is FSD is a dead end. It'll seem like it's always improving but will never fully complete. There are infinite number of corners cases. Unless the ai achieves AGI or true intelligence it can never fully replace human driver
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  318. Hope is not a strategy
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  319. I'm a big proponent of PHEVs. If you plug it in as much as you can, it's all good. I don't support those who drive it without pluging in. If you drive 95% of time on pure EV mode, and only 5% miles when you are in a pinch or emergency or can't find charging station, it's really beats BEV knowing that PHEV can save your ass in emergency situations. Also I tried looking for increased fire risk in PHEVs, couldn't find any source. Maybe it's BYD's PHEV specific problem. I drive a Volvo XC90 PHEV, never heard any fires in my owner's forum or media. Even BYD's PHEVs had some incidents of fires, I don't see it as permanent flaw that cannot be fixed. PHEVs aren't that complicated, and can be easily improved as technology matures. Another plus for PHEV is that I live in a big city in Canada. In winter months, being stuck in traffic due to accident or weather, if you want to run EV battery to keep yourself warm and comfortable, it can quickly drain the battery and get stranded or worse suffer hypothermia. On those rare situations, having a PHEV you know you can survive by running petrol engine for a while to keep yourself warm. Is it really worth your health and safety just to go pure EV some kind of green tech idiology? I think PHEV is the best of both worlds, and cutting 95% of emission is good enough. Trying to squeeze out the last 5% of emission to sacrifice convinence and safety, is it worth it?
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  320. This would be my dream car as well.
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  321. ​ chillfluencer brilliant ones are usually immigrants
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  322. Don't worry Sam. Protectionism will keep these legacy autos around.. especially in North America
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  323. This is like stealth made in China.. Lots of Chinese companies are in Mexico already that will make up the supply chain for Tesla.
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  324. The problem is lack of diversity in EV designs to appeal to wider range of buyers. The prevailing design of new EVs centers around computer on wheels by taking away as much physical controls as possible and relying on the stuck on tablet in the middle of dash. Couple that with having to use app for everything from setting precondition, charging levels, software updates, multiple charging accounts, route planning etc. all these are too complicated for folks who just want to jump in their car to go from A to B. Ah charging stations should by law remove the requirements of using a app to activate it. More manufacturers should develop dumb EVs with traditional physical controls to make it easier to operate without having to take eyes off road constantly. Being able to remote start or precondition the EV with key fob without having to use an app. Remove subscriptions on basic features especially safety related.
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  325.  @gregp.7148  Like I said, it's not about routine use, it's unexpected emergencies. No matter the range of your EV, you can still run into situtions where you have to go somewhere just when the battery is almost empty. Imaging you come home from a long trip, and about to plug in, you get an emergency phone call your relative is in hospital 1 hour away? Or you are on your halfway on your trip somewhere, you get an urgent call either for business or medical emergency you have to turn around. EVs still have a long way to go to cover these unexpected unplanned cases. You'd have to have abundant fast charging infrastructure with much faster charging time to cover the use cases I mentioned above.
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  326. Kind of true. But I wish they would make EVs also for folks that are less tech savvy..
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  327. Transmission losses over the distance
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  328. Misinformation and click bait.. This is not robotsxi. It has s human driver. It doesn't drive itself.
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  329. I'm surprised Australia is in the list.
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  330. I'd be surprised if US government allowed any Chinese brand cars in the US soil. They will amend NFTA agreement to block BYD.
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  331. Warren buffet should have sold GM stock when Mary was trying to partner with Nikola a couple years ago, then turned out to be a scam company. She clearly didn't do any DD. She is still not doing anything now, just hoping and trying to buy their way out of legacy business into EV. GM is not trying at all to put in any work to renew itself, just hoping to survive through partnerships with other second rated EV companies.
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  332. ICE are mileage limited, EV batteries are calendar time limited. A block of metal does not degrade with time, but wear out with usage. Battery chemistry degrade with time and charging cycles, not how many miles the car travels around. There are 40 - 50 year old military vehicles that are only used for training excercises, with very low mileage, but well maintained. Modern EVs (as we as gas cars) are limited by aging battery chemistry and electronic components, regardless of mileage usage. Seasonal temperature variation, natural decay of material limits their lifespan.
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  333. We need to recycle used batteries, less mining, more recycling.
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  334. If you care about pollution, don't drive a car at all. Take public transit. Most of Tesla and EV buyers are affluent demographic. They also tend to own big houses and take multiple vacations every year flying to distant places. I would say Tesla owners on average have way higher carbon footprint than a struggling individual driving a 15 year old Corolla.
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  335. Take a look at Ford Puma EV in Europe. I hope they bring it to North America. It looks really good.
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  336.  @Paul-vm9sz  Literally, every other person I talk to about extending EV batteries, say as long as you keep it plugged in, it will be fine. That could not be further from the truth. The quickest way to degrade your battery is to keeping it topped up at all times.
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  337. ​ @etmax1 couldn't have said it better myself.. EV to ice ratio will be 80:20 by 2030
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  338.  @Wongseifu548  Boeing and Airbus received billions in subsidies from their respective governments for decades for exactly this purpose trying to out compete one another. If the US and Europe governments were serious about EV they would try to match Chinese subsidies with their own. And may the best player win
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  339. Short cycle life
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  340. You will be begging for a Chinese car in 10 years as they will be much better than any German or Japanese garbage
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  341.  @ctuna2011  70% of US refineries cannot use US produced crude. They are exported abroad, and US is dependent on imported crude for gasoline and other fuels.
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  342. He is not wrong. BYD and other EV stocks have reached a peak FOMO. There is probably more downside than upside from here. Record sales doesn't mean stock price will go up. Stock price is probably already priced in the current growth rate, as well as near future also. Thus not much more upside in stock price even if sales and profit keeps going up. It will have to beat investor's expectation for any gains.
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  343. Assembly workers don't need brain. They deserve minimum wage.. CEO can have unlimited pay as they actually need to use brain and take on responsibility.
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  344. Sure, China will just retaliate by applying tariffs on airbus etc.
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  345. I'm seeing more and more lithium battery related fires not just vehicles but also at recycling facilities. I think we have some work to do to ensure the safety and sustainability of lithium batteries before the public and regulators starting abandoning EV adoption.
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  346.  @Aggie4life77  Yes, I read a stats that about 10-15% of model S that are 11 years + old have required battery replacement. I think the percentage would be higher if not for big portion of these model S's have gone out of service for other reasons such as electronic / computer, or motor failures.
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  347.  @whynotstartusingyourbrain8726  I have an infant child sleeping in the car, what if I don't want to use my voice? Or I'm having a conversation with my passenger, voice control is extremely annoying you have to stop the flow of conversation, and wait for voice control to respond. It's still too slow compared to just grab and push by hand without looking. My 2006 BMW had nearly everything controllable with voice control also, but I rarely use it, voice control is just not as useful and I find it tiring always having to talk to something / somebody, when I just want a quiet time in my car. Last time when I still had my model 3, I could not even get car to change temperature with voice control. Maybe "software update" has fixed it, but that's another thing annoys me about Tesla, they always push things off to next software update, next software update. Sometimes updates break other things. They should just get at least basic functions right the first time, intead of constantly changing things around to confuse users.
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  348.  @whynotstartusingyourbrain8726  2019. Voice control on setting temperature, raisins or lowering radio volume was common place for cars since 2010s. Yet Tesla while being so tech focused didn't have it. But this giant annoying touch screen in the middle trying to appeal to computer nerds just screams gimmickiness. Even to this day there is no birds eye view or surrounding cameras view, still awaiting software update while other auto makers had it for 10 years. But I have to give it to Tesla that their phone app is the best. Fast and intuitive. Always works unlike most other cars phones apps. But as far as driver focused features, Tesla is lacking. They seem to focus more on making a computer on wheels rather than a car for drivers.
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  349. Toyota is a proven brand for reliability, maybe that's why it's sold well in Norway. However I don't expect Toyota EVs last as long as its ICE cars because of the inferior battery packs it's using compared to Tesla and Chinese EVs.
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  350. See how carefully crafted wording is. Yes Tesla is far ahead of everyone else in self-driving, but it doesn't say how close it is to full autonomy. Just because you are number 1, doesn't mean you are close to goal. That doesn't matter when you are just trying to sell picks and shovels to rake in billions, for as long as people live in delusions that you can take a nap while car is taking you to desination.
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  351.  @paulb1951  I had a 2021 model 3, it's noisy like an economy car and ride over potholes honestly hurt my ass. It's a good battery / computer on wheels, but not a good car.
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  352. @@phillipbanes5484 that's based on American values system. They could equally say that US courts don't have fair process therefore refuse extradition.
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  353. Over confidence is one's ultimate undoing.
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  354. Tarrifs on China is more politically motivated than just protectionism.
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  355. Provided that robots actually work, and not hacked and taken over by a malware.
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  356. I can't stand those BMW grills. They used to serve a function in the age of ice. But now it's just a styling gimmick. I don't like gimmicks
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  357. Another day another battery breakthrough
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  358. Heavier the vehicle is the less efficient it becomes for Bev. Also the majority of mileage is on highway speed worsening the efficiency even more
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  359. But it can be delayed.
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  360. Vking, you are such a propagandist. No one is saying EV sales is falling off, but the rate of growth is no doubt slowing. If you can't tell the difference between the two, you need to go back to high school math.
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  361.  @jellyd4889  not true at all.. cooling is superior in EV. Heating is superior with burning fuel. AC in ICE requires engine running to drive the compressor. ICE engine is only 35% efficient in converting energy in fuel to motion, wasting the rest in heat. That's why when you stand next to an ICE vehicle running AC, you feel more heat than cooling it generates. It's terrible. I often take nap in an EV running AC completely quiet no vibration in hot summer days. I can never fall asleep in an ICE vehicle running AC, it's loud, smelly, and vibrating. Hate it. Ideally, you'd want an EV that comes with propane or other fuel based heating system for cold weather, conserving battery for motion only which is 100% efficient.
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  362. I'm starting to wonder if Sam is on CCPs payroll.
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  363. All Chinese EVs chase the same design ques.. stuck on tablet, flush door handles, glass roof.. Three things i hate the most.. Build an EV with traditional design you will have my money
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  364.  @GenRicOpekc  of course I'm oversimplifying the software argument. But grid integration logic is no where near as complicated as AI or FSD. It doesn't need a super computer to train a neuronet lol. Any competent small software team can do just as good job as Teslas. Any more that is an overkill. To that end Tesla does not have a unique software edge over competitors.
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  365.  @virtual-viking  what about after 12 years? 15 years? I read that once it hits certain age degradation drops off a cliff it's not linear.
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  366.  @lostgleammedia  Miuch more highly than America, especially France. They admire everything French, just look at their maid cafe costumes. They love the British royals too.
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  367. Integrated screen is much better than stuck on tablet look
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  368.  @achangyw  They will still know when you go to work or come home even with non-Chinese EVs, it's just whether you want to give your info to the Chinese or US government. All modern cars are connected and track your every acceleration, deceleration, speed, GPS location, and share this information with insurance.
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  369. Good to see an EV with non-flush door handles that's not easy to freeze shut in winter icy weather, also physical buttons instead of everything on center screen. I don't like the interior and grey plastic everywhere in typical Japanese / Toyota cars, but seems better designed for practicality than Tesla and Tesla copy cats.
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  370.  @snate2.0  I agree, the gaps aren't that important. But it's an indication of attention to the details by human workers of different geographic regions, with Americans being the most careless, and Germans being the most serious, and Chinese in the close second.
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  371. BMW and Tesla are also made in China
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  372.  @crosslink1493  if the US welcomes Chinese cars I'm sure they will have design teams based in the US as well. Nio used have one before Trump started the trade war.
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  373.  @elainebradley8213  humans are very flexible creatures they can get used to anything good or bad. Taking your eyes off the road to look at center screen is definitely inferior to HUD on windshield. You will say anything to defend Tesla even if it makes no logical sense.
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  374. Tesla has been doing the same with FSD for years.. There is nothing full self driving about FSD.. why aren't they sued for misleading?
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  375. It's not about logic and common sense for these guys. They believe cars need to have ice to have a soul. A car needs something moving and breathing and vibratiing to be alive. Lol
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  376. If you had any self respect, you would not get a KIA
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  377. Byebye Panasonic and LG Chem.
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  378.  @johnchin1456  That. seems to be the American motto.
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  379.  @mikefiatx19  why are you so pesmestic? Power grid s not exactly rocket science. Why does it take 100 years to upgrade it?
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  380.  @paulb1951  Whatever you immediately resort to personal insults, when you have no substance to backup your claim. How patriotic you are Amuurican patriot riding in his honky donk pickup truck lolol
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  381.  @addict8229  why would there not be service centers? If they come here wouldn't they also have BYD, geely dealerships etc?
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  382. Cars are not phones. It's ok everyone has iPhone. But not everyone wants a Tesla.
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  383. @ev.whyking Also phones are usually kept in pockets, where cars are outward items that many see as representation of their personal style and taste. If everyone was driving the same car, it wouldn't be cool, naturally, many of us wants to be unique and choose different styles.
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  384. This past lunar new year travel in China exposed charging problem that many EVs in China had to wait in queues for a whole day to charge. The throughput of EV charging is still too slow compared to traditional gas cars, even if there equals number of stalls. Not sure how they are going to fix the peak travel demand issues without spending way more to build out redundant charging infrastructure for average days. Perhaps battery swapping like Nio is the better solution.
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  385. Legacy autos are shooting themselves in the feet by trying to copy Tesla IMHO.. people are tired of the same computer on wheels design every EV look the same.. No one is trying really differentiate.
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  386. If you thought winter in California is bad for electrification you should look at what Trudeau is doing to Canada..
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  387. Quite a racist list. China accounts for 1/3 of all car sales, 1/2 of all EV sales, only one model is included. IMHO, Nio, Xpeng, Zeekr, Ora funky cat should be included.
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  388. No no.. PHEV are not just hybrids like Toyota Prius hybrid.. Much different
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  389.  @phvaessen  with PHEV you can charge at home theoretically you don't ever need gasoline if you travel only within town.
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  390.  @Youtubeuser1aa  my point is that tests aren't as complete as they seem. In real life collisions there are many weird angles and variations that can occur that these tests don't cover.
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  391. Volvo will be one of the few legacy autos that will survive. Their electrification pivot is on the right track. Their EVs and phevs are way more compelling then BMW and Mercedes imho. Audi is good but way more expensive then equivalent Volvo. Also if you look at the crash tests comparison.. BMW Mercedes are like made of paper compared to solid Volvo.
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  392. Hail the monopoly. Everyone should drive the same car - Tesla and use the same phone - iPhone. All it takes for government to control your life is to order these two companies to hand over their data centers.
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  393. You are too late. I bought mine in 2017 . Sold in 2021. Then switched to bitcoin. You guys all xhaee the hype and will all lose money
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  394.  @chrisroger2000  most of current Tesla owners are early adoptora and fanboys. Of course they will tell you they love their cars.
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  395. Software that charge battery when power is cheap and feed the grid when power rate is high took Tesla 10 years to develope and no one else can do it? This got to be a joke.
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  396. Tesla is trying to be the iPhone of cars but not realizing people don't all want the same looking cars unlike phones.
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  397. Massive depreciation for those just bought lol
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  398.  @MiddleAgedMike  sure the new battery tech will probably extend calendar life somewhat but with or without liquid cooling the chemistry in battery will degrade with time regardless of mileage unlike a block of metal that's in the engine typically degrade with friction of usage rather than sitting still
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  399.  @powerhouse884  I know simple supply and demand you child. But so does all other companies that don't change their MSRP every month depending on market demand fluctuations. It just shows Tesla's immaturity and greed that costs them incredibly. After the first couple of waves of fanboy buyers and hype chasers. I see Tesla demands fall off cliff especially in Chinese market where competitions are actually exist.
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  400. ​​ @woodensurfer you forget Japanese domestic market. People there still buy CDs and DVDs and use paper money and coins to buy drinks in vending machines. And tips gas station attendants. Welcome to the year 1998.
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  401. I had a Tesla model 3. Sentury mode has horrendous battery consumption.
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  402.  @MGiosparky  Thanks for looking into that because that's my main concern as I am very a light sleeper and live in a small house. I have a fairly new AC unit just outside my bedroom a floor below. Fortunately, it doesn't get hot enough here in most summer nights, I can turn it off by the time I'm in bed. On a rare occasions when it's really really hot, and even my neighbours AC is humming all night, I move to basement. But they only happen a couple days a year, so it's not a big issue. But winter is long here, and heat is needed most at night. So I can't afford to lose sleep every night during the winter if heat pump compressor makes the same level of sound as an AC unit. I guess if you live in a larger house, and far away from the heat pump you don't hear it, but it all depends on the proximity and sound insulation of your building.
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  403. Norway has a population of 5 million. This one city in China is 10x larger than Norway.
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  404. Why do you need so much range? The more battery you carry the less efficient your car is. I'd rather have short range car but lighter and more efficient, but with much better charging infrastructure. 3x as ubiquitous as gas stations would be ideal.
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  405.  @Pneuma40  wood is not that convenient though.fresh cut wood doesn't burn very easily. Carrying dried and cut firewood to camp site that's not weight efficient at all. Best is still to use stuff like propane or butane
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  406.  @Pimpernicholas  It's already happening here in Canada with carbon tax. Not just gasoline, but natural gas for home heat, basically everything related to fossil fuel. People are complaining, but Trudeau won't budge. I think it's a good idea, maybe they have to go even further to curb fossil fuel consumption. Just tax the heck out of gasoline then people will be forced to transition into EVs.
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  407. As much I love EVs, I'd have to admit it's not going to last as long or age as well as Land cruiser
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  408. Good luck with Tesla's blackbox model that copies Apple's anti-repair policy. They want you to keep buying new Tesla's instead letting you repair it yourself.
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  409. Tesla stock has been a dead money for 3 years
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  410. They have more time than 3-4 years. Trust me. The Western people and so backward thinking they are in no rush to adopt EVs line Chinese or Norwegian.
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  411. PHEVs can be cleaner than EVs depending on your use cases. If you rarely drive long distance, and only pure EV mode within regular commute distances, then PHEVs usually only have 1/3 to 1/5 of battery capacity of regular EVs. Manufacturing batteries still have higher carbon footprint than manufacturing engines which is just a blcok of metal. I personally have a PHEV, and only 0.5% of total miles are using gas, and 99.5% in EV mode. I pretty much never travel outside of town, or only for emergencies. Living in northern Canada, having a backup ICE gives sense of security during winter storms, but I never needed to use it except one time in past 2 years. If I had a pure BEV I would have had high anxiety in such situations. Sure I think it's disgusting some PHEV owners never plug in at home and drive it as a gas car. But again, it all depends on how you use it. PHEVs have lower carbon footprint than BEVs at manufacturing stage, the total carbon footprint over the lifetime depends on how you use it.
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  412. Not everyone cares about road trips. I dread driving for more than half hour. If I have to go further I'll hire a driver or take a train
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  413. It's not real Sam making these videos. He is just an AI generated character.
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  414. XPeng is my leasr favorite Chinese EV maker. It's balatantly copying Tesla, so is VW. I guess like minded stick together. Both VW and XPeng are ethically corrupt, and unimaginative. I predict this partnership will fail.
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  415. Personally I think artificial exhaust sounds is silky for EVs
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  416. Yes, but also more expensive. Even if just one cell in a large battery pack is damaged somehow, either by defects or an accident, the whole battery pack is toast, you can't just open it up and find the damaged cell and replace only that one. EVs are more fragile and costly to repair than ICE in that respect.
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  417. There is a lot of waste power in induction charging. Also I'm not that comfortable with irradiating myself with that much EM radiation while driving.
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  418. coffin like appearance was the nail in the coffin for this company literally.
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  419. PHEVs are greener than pure EVs if you plug in everyday and drive over 95% miles in EV mode. They need a much smaller battery pack. Gas engine is there just for backup
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  420. Ait suspension usually need major repairs after 5 years. They are usually on luxury SUVs, not something you'd want on a workhorse vehicle. Small panel gaps are nice but it doesn't really help the vehicle's robustness and repairability that most of blue collar buyers are looking for to use as work horse. Cyber truck will be more like a luxury car with high tech stuff that's expensive to repair after they break down.
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  421. China is nervous about being too reliant on Russia resources.. They haven't always been buddies
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  422. I think it's far easier for AI to replace knowledge workers such as doctors and lawyers and accountant than tradesperson, plumber, mechanic etc,
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  423. Does it matter if both sinking ships joined together or sink seperately?
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  424. Wind turbine blades cannot be recycled, and must be replaced every 10 years.
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  425.  @EdgewiseSJ  what AI? You mean chatgpt? You call that thing intelligent? They were saying AGI is not possible it still not. Neural network is not new it's existed got decades. Only hardware got faster and cheaper. Nothing new.
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  426. Modern Diesel trucks don't require computer chips and electronics to run? EMP will disable all cars made after 2000, not just EVs.
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  427. They will have to be built in North America though. It's possible GM and BYD partner up and build factories here based on BYD technology and rebadge as GM or Ford brands.
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  428. Why is it bad? Gotion doesn't have any ties to CCP.
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  429. Robots to replace humans? Not in 10 years. Maybe 30 years if optimistic. Probably longer
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  430. Just because cars talk to each other it still needs human level intelligence or intuition to recognize objects and situations other than cars in its environment such as people, animals, random objects on road. Emergency road signs. Understanding police mans gestures etc. FSD is BS and will always be bs until we have the true AGI
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  431.  @АгронДепартье  I disagree on reliability part. T cars computer crashes often while driving on highway.
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  432. Toyota sales of gas cars are still strong in North America though, that will keep them afloat a long time.
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  433.  @71kimg  China's debt are mostly internal. US debt are mostly foreign owned
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  434. Only 1.5% of Bolt EVs batteries were placed. The 2011 and 2012 Nissan Leaf saw 8.3% and 3.5%, respectively, rates of replacement. The 2013, 2014, and 2015 Model S saw 8.5%, 7.3%, and 3.5%, respectively, rates of replacement. So AVOID Nissan Leaf and Tesla model S , not Chevy Bolt. This video is completely false information.
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  435.  @NoiserToo  Most of what is he saying about Chinese EVs surpassing the Western legacy autos are true. I used to think he must be sponsored by the Chinese government. But this story pretty much invalidates that theory. He could have just ignored it and not talk about it.
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  436. I don't know why you still keep bashing on phevs. It's not the gasoline engine component that caused fires it was the defect in battery after all. If pouch type battery were used in pure EV cars then they would also be prone to fire . Nothing to do with being phevs
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  437. Many old fashioned Americans and westerners still think Japanese are ahead of China in vehicle innovations. Very uninformed bunch.
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  438. Just more excuses not to get it right the first time. If it's easy to do ota update so frequently so no incentive to make a correct system that endures. What happens when the company stops supporting the model either because it's getting too old such as iPhone 4 or older, or the company goes out of business? Your car dies if the company no longer exists? This wasn't the case with older cars made in the 90s or before, they can continue to function as long as the owner takes care of them. Software driven cars are completely at the mercy of centralized control of the corporation not the owners
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  439.  @daveborinski3021  50% loss? Wow that's a lot. Do you store them outside in cold weather maybe?
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  440. JD Power only does initial new car quality survey. It still remains to be seen which Chinese EV brands hold up over time for the longevity of the cars. They are still too new to have any data on this.
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  441. The real question is how many can they produce?
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  442. It makes sense. EVs are compatible with Mercedes DNA. Quiet, smooth, high tech. BMW and Ford are having hard time because their audiences tend to like "roar" of engines, and driver focused.
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  443. China is building affordable and quality EVs for everyone to save the planet, and they are accused of "over-capacity". In the mean while, the US blocks Chinese EVs, cuts EV tax credit, and spending $1.7 trillions on increasing its nuclear arsenal. They are called the leader of freedom and democracy.
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  444. I have mixed feelings about Toyota. They make good reliable cars that have strong resale value only if they would apply that to the EVs most of which are currentlyl throw away appliances after warranty period due to high repair cost.
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  445. ​ @ElMistroFeroz your argument sounds like you never had to live in an apartment or considered using cars other than commuting to and from work. What do you do when you have to make unexpected emergency travels out of town? Without convenient fast charging infrastructure EVs simply are useless in such situations compared to gas cars
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  446.  @kylewagner45  it did improve. Yes it does seem impressive often situations. But it's still not complete.. It's nearly impossible to explain to average people who never worked on AI systems the difference between what seems human like intelligence and true intelligence. It does not progress and improve linearly like everything else. The last 1% could require 10x more effort than the previous 99%
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  447. This existed in military vessels for a long time. Submarines for instance can remain submerged indefinitely because it does not need oxygen to run unlike diesel powered subs.
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  448.  @elmohead  That's exactly what I'm saying. EV doesn't necessarily need complicated software.
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  449. " For people who need to travel long distances" I can't think of anyone needing to travel over 400 km without any break on regular basis. Sure on some rare EMERGENCY situations you have to drive across country to see your dying relative maybe. In such case, I'd get a PHEV to handle just those unplanned situations, and leaving 95%+ time plugged in and driven in EV mode.
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  450. Yeah the only reason someone shelling out so much money for inconvenience is for environmental causes. Don't try to convince the masses that EV are more convenient or better other than for environment
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  451.  @sesmeltz1965  yes I agree with you on the keyword NEARLY. There are still many situations where your described use cases don't apply.. So government policies to force everyone to transition to EV is misguided.
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  452. Fool's errands . No matter how fast the computer is their methodology is wrong, it will never reach " full self driving" with their current approach of reinforced machine learning
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  453. Downfall of America starting now
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  454. I thought polestar is about to go bk
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  455. $5000 incentives apply to Toyota PHEVs, it depends on battery sizes. Smaller battery PHEVs only get 2500. But RAV4 and Prius primes get $5000 rebates. Cold climates do pose unique challenges to EV operation, not just range, but how long you can stay on road while keeping warm. For example, we were stuck in a traffic jam for 1.5 hours moved only 10km during that time. My EV consumed nearly 20 kwh during that time in -15C keeping my family and myself warm. Luckily, my was also an PHEV, so I could run the engine for 5 minutes, and shut it off for next 20 minutes while the climate fan blows the residual heat from the engine to help use less battery. It beats pure ICE cars which have to idle engine the whole time consuming much more fuel. Even without traffic congestion, I run the ICE for the first 5 min of trip, and use the residual heat from it to keep the cabin warm for the remaining 20 - 30 minutes of trip using electric motor only for motion, and none for heat. Heat pump is not very efficient in this kind of low temperature so it does little to help. Of course ideally, if an EV came with a fuel based heater - either biofuel or ethenol based, it would completely remove the need for ICE and dramatically increase the efficiency and range ot EV in extreme cold weather. But I can only dream and hope.
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  456. go to a different shop
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  457. High insurance is temporary
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  458. Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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  459. Is it just me or anyone else is bothered by the name FSD? when it is not even close to being "FULL" self driving?
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  460. I think legacy autos will be making phevs in order to survive and not be outcompeted by Tesla and BYD
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  461. Because Elon can't make FSD work perfectly in the US. But in China, he might get some help to actually finish it.
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  462. Koreans have damaged their reputation too many times, LG chem batteries catch fire, Hyundai Ioniq 5 charging port overheating class action, also a recent incident an Ioniq 5 owner ran over some rock on the road damaged the cover plate under the car. Dealer told him the entire battery pack needed replacement for $60,000 or the car is unsafe to operate. Essentially write off for a minor accident.
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  463. The thing is Toyota cruiser will still be running strong and have a decent resale value in 15 years while this thing will be in junkyard
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  464. GM is totally capable creating good EVs, just don't mess with software which is not their core competency. don't try to be Tesla when you are not. Just make good cars, not computer on wheels, it will be fine.
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  465. Musk is a liar and naive child. Almost all AI experts know AGI is nowhere near the horizon, including the former Tesla FSD lead, Andrej Karpathy who left Tesla in 2022.
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  466. PHEVs or range extenders will always have a place in rural areas where charging infrastructures will always be sparce, and distance is farther
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  467. I never take my cars to service at dealers. Why do people still do it is beyond me. Independent shops usually do much better job than dealer shops and charge less.
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  468. There is nothing immoral about selling your reservation. Why are car makers so strict about not allowing it
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  469. Funny enough, more than half of the leading battery researchers in the US universities are of Chinese origin.
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  470. GM can partner with BYD and rebrand or under a GM brand and sell it in North America.
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  471. It is true that in Japanese culture three is a tendency to resist change. They would rather perfect existing technologies then experimenting with something new. Just look at how samurai warriors ended before Japan could modernize. These legacy autos in Japan would rather commit suicide then accept the change.
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  472. Not really. There are still plenty of Westerners still believe Japanese quality who will pay up for their Toyota Rav4 and Honda Accord etc.
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  473. Yawn. Nobody cares about this ridiculous straightline performance when Tesla doesn't deisgn their cars to be driver focused, but rather for computer-on wheels, primed for robotaxi.
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  474. @lmooseofdoom Expensive = dumb. Why spend more to do the same thing when you can spend less? For what? for the Tesla Brand?
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  475.  @林振华-t4v  Tesla was also inflated in 2022 that's when I got rid of mine just before Tesla resale price crashed.. Toyota will always have better resale at any era
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  476. So Tesla is like IBM. Consulting company for energy utilities.
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  477.  @ohger1  quite untrue
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  478.  @richardmarshall159  Pretty much yeah. They are taking advantage of Canadian government's EV incentive program. For Quebec residents, they are getting $12000 CAD (not tax credit), rebates from purchase price. In the US, do you get any tax credits / rebates for EX30? I'm not sure, if it's made in China, if so, it may not qualify for any tax credt in the US.
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  479. @alexishart1989  why is that all we get are grotesque pickup trucks
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  480.  @svr5423  yeah you are right. What I really meant to say is high utilisation, not necessarily high mileage. In ice car terms, it's engine hours not miles travelled that actually wears down engine. EVs are better for high utilisation for sure, especially low range delivery services because these vehicles don't need a huge battery for long range travel and have a fixed return point for frequent recharging.
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  481. I thought Audi EVs such as etron suck compared to BMW. They can't sell any in China
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  482. Viking is shilling FSD only because he owns Tesla stock. Autonomous cars have nothing to do with EVs or electric drivetrain, it can use any drivetrains including ICE. Just because Tesla is perceived as leader in autonomous technology and pushing for the idea, people mistakenly associate autonomy with EVs. Whether or not we are close to full autonomy or morally should allow AI to make life and death decisions at the moment of innevitable collision is a completely seperate debate, and should not automatically put you in EV or anti-EV camp. For me, I am a firm believer of electrification, and have owned 4 EVs since 2017. But I'm quite certain Tesla is far from completing FSD as its CEO has been claiming for the past 5 years. A good test for yourself is this: Support another company, Waymo or openAI or some random Chinese firms beat Tesla in autonomy race. It licenses its self driving tech to any car companies willing to pay for it including legacy ICE autos. Would you still be a staunch support of autonomy then?
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  483. Sure Corolla is a heap of junk that has 30% higher resale value than Tesla model 3 of equal age and mileage.
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  484. ​ @HeiNz03 it's easy to blame the government when in reality it's the people who chose the government
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  485. By the time model 2 is out, there will be other affordable EVs possibly from Chinese brand or western brands using Chinese battery and software.
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  486.  @GWAForUTBE  nobody likes overly complicated designs. But the current EV trend is exactly that, stuffing so much technology in it. Everything relies on smart tech. If the computer on wheels fails, it won't just be your can't turn on radio, but all the critical controls are in the center screen. You will be stranded. if the car is damaged you can't repair it yourself or even by a qualified mechanic because all the proprietary computer software controls. I wish for a simple EV a dumb EV, but no one is making them because of the current fashion trend in the EV market
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  487. Under the Tesla badge it's all Chinese batteries
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  488. Bitcoin mining is another way to balance out the renewable generation
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  489. I believe in everything except for the robots
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  490. Without incentives, EV sales will dive in Europe.
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  491. It's not the you. It's more like French U sound Uu-en
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  492. This is not Tesla vs legacy. It's EV vs ice.. If Ford is committed to make EVs they should be praised not ridiculed. I don't want to find myself living in a world with only one brand of car to choose from Tesla.
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  493.  @justinr9753  I expect 95% of EV companies to disappear in the next 10 - 20 years. It's quite normal for a new industry. there were hundreds of car companies before the big 3 consolidation. This is happening right now in China, some over 100+ EV brands, but probably 50 of them will go bust this year. In the West, it's pathetic, only less than a dozen EV manufacturers, lack of variety and choices for consumer, and lack of experimentation and competition in the space. China will no doubt lead the EV revolution. It's pretty much set in stone.
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  494. I think BYD should acquire NIO. NIO has a good brand and battery swapping. Also a cool NIO house brand. It will add to BYD's flagship lineups, and NIO can benefit from BYD's operation efficiency.
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  495. How is this sustainable?
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  496. Software update is only a bandaid fix. they need to rebuild the whole system including connections.
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  497. I own a Chevy Bolt EV. Wonderful little car, unlike other EVs with computer on wheels design, Bolt EV was perhaps the last good GM EV with traditional physical buttons and intuitive controls. GM's attempt to copy Tesla's computer on wheels gone bad with this one. Shame on GM trying to chase the latest auto fashion show. Just stick to your own style, you will retain your customers, otherwise, why not just buy a Tesla.
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  498. China has no shortage of tech. tallents. American Rightists are trembling in their boots.
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  499. Perhaps Japan has overcapacity problem not China. Overcapacity in producing ICE cars.
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  500. And you need to read my comment again. I'm not denying the battery longevity is already beating ICE cars, but the limiting factor for Tesla and any other modern cars that are heavily relying on computers is the failure of finicky electronic components and computers before battery degradation. And it's not limited just to EVs, many ICE cars especially in luxury and premium space suffer the same problems. Brands like Toyota are reliable only because they limit the use of the latest tech, and instead fall back to the analog circiots and physical controls that are enduring over long period of time. I have yet to see this methodlogy applied to any EV brands legacy or EV-only, they seem to think all buyers of EVs expects EVs to be high tech only.
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  501. Garbage computer on wheels/
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  502.  @larryevans6739  technology is supposed to make things easier but so far, things like voice commands, touch screen, software updates that often reshuffles control menus and buttons confuse drivers even more and you have to get re-aquintted with the interface all over again. What's all these fools errands for? Just to make a sleek modern design? Flexible software UI? I think they need to rethink overdoing computer on wheels thing it's gone too far.
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  503. We will look back on this period in history as China leapfrogs the US, starting with EVs today, and in the next 5 years semiconductors and AI. And in 2030, Tesla relocates its HQ to Shanghai.
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  504. Tesla buyers a lot of them are early EV adopters. Of course they are more likely to buy another EV. I didn't like Tesla because of their design. I still liked EVs but wanted more traditional design. None of those flush door handles and stuck on tablet and better built quality.
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  505.  @avdp9095  they will probably have to honor the warranty alot and replace a whole bunch of them or have a large buffer than others batteries in order to keep longevity. That could explain why it's so inefficient.
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  506. Large battery pack adds more weight, and thus less efficient. Good thing about large battery pack is that winter heating has less effects on its range.
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  507. Race cars don't need a big battery pack. Battery swapping could be used when they change tires
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  508. This just goes to show Elon musk is hot headed, rash decision maker.
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  509. German cars are over-engineered, high maintenance, resale value decays like there is no tomorrow. Nobody wants to own them for long term.
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  510.  @paulb1951  you night be right and I've seen many reviews on the new model 3 being a big improvement over the previous generation. But the reason I'm still on the fence is that everyone was praising the old model 3 and no owner would point out its flaws back when I was doing the research. I wish Tesla owners aren't mostly made up of fanbois and be honest from time to time
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  511.  @joeltrail8186  yeah but if an American did a hit and run in China, Russia or Iran, or any other types of homicide or felony, will the US send him to that country? I think not
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  512. QS insiders selling heavily on this news.
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  513. Nobody cares what you care.
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  514. The problem is the cost associated with recycling. Battery chemistry deterioates even when unused unlike ICE counterparts. EVs are good for high utilization use cases, not so much for low mileage users.
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  515. I completely agree
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  516. It's a little harder for EV to completely take over. They lack some capabilities gas cars still have over EVs unless battery technology improves dramatically.
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  517. Americans are so attached to their dirty fossil fueld "trucks" that costs over $60k, and proud of them. Also, the lack of affordable choices. The only good EVs in America are Teslas. Unlike in Australia, we don't have access to Chinese EVs.
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  518. What kind of batteries do they use?
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  519.  @qilu2004  yup
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  520.  @troyfall6573  no you need to read my friend. My logic clearly states cutting emission by 95%+ gas cars wouldn't do that . Phev does. As for fire risk a lot of phevs are cheaply made like Mitsubishi mirage. Safely designed Volvo phevs rarely catch fire. I think as technology matures fire safety will get better.
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  521. Korean products are usually cut corners. I had a Samsung phone it broke mysteriously for no reason, just bricked one day. All my other phones - iPhone or China made cheap Android lasted longer than Samsung.
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  522. The problem with air suspension is that they require major repairs usually after 5-6 years
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  523. Wake up call to greedy unions
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  524.  @cyberfunk3793  Depends on the usage. If you drive an EV high mileage in short time span say 200k+ in 5 years, it works out. It will outlast most ICE cars in terms of mileage before major repairs. But if you only do 10k / year, battery replacement after 10 years will cost you more than ICE car.
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  525.  @Deershit137  There is a lot of resistance to nuclear plants because of safety concerns and high cost. Most likely natural gas and coal plants.
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  526.  @tysonn4736  Yes, the US can, but it'll cost twice as much as Chinese cars because of unions and entitlement mindset of workers here. Also, the US tends to hire the lowest quality workers in assembly lines. Everyone knows not to buy American made BMWs and Mercedes, or Toyotas, they are far less quality than the original foreign brand. Chinese cars are no exception. Chinese workers are a lot more dedicated to their jobs and disciplined, just like Japanese, and even better than Germans.
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  527. ​​ @williammeek4078 for most people car is not a necessity, rich or poor. Having your own car is a privilege.
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  528.  @DuaneL1961  owning used EV especially after warranty is a dangerous gamble. The repair cost is much higher than gas cars due to black box design and lack of parts available.
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  529.  @scottmcshannon6821  would you care to elaborate? Or are you just ideologically pure EV? Because there is a word pure in it? As if it's some kind of religious dogma?
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  530.  @kornel02  they better keep it that way. Stuck on tablet style interior has been the deal breaker for many of my EVs choices..I don't know why almost all EVs needs that style? It has nothing to do with being electric drivetrain. Why can't there be an EV with traditional look and feel
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  531.  @kornel02  yeah but a car is not a computer on wheels. Put the tablet too high it intrudes the view field. Put it too low it rubs against your knee. And it just looks cheap and easily pulled down
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  532. Elon is too optimistic or naive. The fact that after 1 million miles of data they are still trying to resolve edge cases it'll never work. Maybe in 20 years when there are better theoretical models. The current neural network is too primitive.
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  533. There is no FSD . which Tesla car can "full self drive"? Naming this feature FSD is borderline fraud, and blatant misleading marketting.
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  534.  @nickmcconnell1291  humans are flexible and adaptive but not infallible.. a small number of humans were fooled by the marketing term FSD and have already died in firey crashes unfortunately. Elon musk has long voiced his concerns over the harm AI could bring to humans. Yet he is doing just that.
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  535. How many cycles and years can it last before degradation kicks in?
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  536.  @francismarion6400  I think they mean new car sales not cars on road
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  537. It is Koreans that make cheap low quality EVs and batteries, not the Chinese.
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  538.  @FLPhotoCatcher  depends on things. American made power tools are still high quality I guess depending on the workers pride in their craft. US auto assembly plant workers are notoriously entitled and don't care about their work. I've heard Mercedes GLEs coming out of Alabama plants had cigarettes butts in the headlight housing. . German made Merc has solid door thud sounds but not the US made Merc. Panel gaps are big difference too
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  539.  @snate2.0  not everything is done by robots yet. There is still a lot of human input, especially finer calibration.
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  540. They better not burn even more fossil fuel to generate electricity to power this electric arc
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  541. China's economy is in toilet. The only saving grace is their EV / batteries industry, which will soon be banned in many western coutnries for the anti-CCP sentiments around the world. Their domestic market is also decliing due to low consumer confidence. China's economy will be in toilet for quite a while, until they breakthrough semiconductor to bypass US saction.
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  542. I hear fusion breakthroughs every month for 10 years now. Where is the cheap limitless energy?
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  543. Good luck trying to save your Tesla stock.. Elon just came out and admitted to cancel model 2. The only realistic hope for Tesla. FSD and Factory bots are pipedreams
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  544. Volvo makes good cars but the cost is also high. They crash an XC90 every month to test its safety. No other car companies are as OCD about safety as Volvo.
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  545. The West is really determined to provoke China into war. If you cut off all trades with China, what choice do you have left? What do you have more to lose? Think about it. Arrogant Western isolationism.
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  546. I don't see it happening in the US and Canada. The grid and charging infrastructure is horrible and there is no political will to change that.
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  547.  @jcfallows  truly tired of horses to cars analogy. The transition from ice to EV is not as dramatic to be honest
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  548. Sam I can read you like an open book. You are trying to shill your BYD and TSLA bags you've been losing money on. You are failing at stock market because you keep looking at past data, not future projections. Stock market is forecasting machine, not priced based on existing data. If it was that easy, everyone would be able to make money on stocks. The fact is that market is predicting EV growth is slowing down globally, particularly China where economy is suffering from real estate meltdown. All EV stocks have been going down.
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  549. Fossil fuel will never go away but continue to shrink.. heating and aviation still need fossil fuel but passenger vehicles will likely be 80% EVs in the future
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  550.  @mikefiatx19  most of EV charging occurs at night when grid load is the lowest. I currently only pay 3 cents per kwh overnight rate to charge my phev. I'm sure it takes some political will to build more power plants but not impossible..
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  551. It's not going to charge anything. Toyota is too stubborn to admit defeat especially to the Chinese. They think they are superior
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  552. Too bad so many EV makers try hard to copy Tesla design. Fluah door handles and glass roof. Useless gimmicks nothing to do with enthusiastic
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  553. I think you mean 400w. Not 4000
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  554. PHEV has good use cases.
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  555. Japan is full of diesel power stations
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  556.  @paulb1951  Even if he was biased, I agree 100% that Chinese EVs are 100x better than anything Japan or America can possible make.
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  557. Tesla is only best selling because of novelty factor all the gimmicks they put in the car. Once people realize these gimmickiness do nothing but hard to use and breakdown. They will switch to other brands. Also the hope of FSD fades away
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  558. Xpeng is the ultimate Tesla copy cat.
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  559. I just don't see US EV adoption more than 20% . There are just too many entrenched cultural and business sentiment against computer on wheels setup. Unless they make a note rugged, low tech EVs, I don't see more than 20% adoption.
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  560.  @DrTed3  Norway is not America. Different culture, different mentality.
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  561.  @vincecarlo  Do not forget the hypocracy nature of Norway that their top export is crude oil
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  562.  @jamesvandamme7786  some of them are crap still. Nissan Mitsubishi
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  563.  @yvesinformel221  Not at all. You need to understand, it's easier to stock up gasoline in anticipation of high demand such as holiday travel or summer road trip seasons. But it would be quite uneconomical to build more power plants to supply more electricity when all the cars at the same time decided to use fast charger. It's not possible. Also you need 3 times more charging stalls as gas pumps just to match the throughput - average gas fillup is 10 minutes vs 30 minutes of EV fast charging sessions. With that many redundant charging stalls, it would be very expensive for the EV charging operators to build and maintain all that redundancy when they are not in use when demand is low. That cost will be passed to EV consumers making fast charging very expensive.
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  564. The US is home for many startups that have gone nowhere but lining up the pockets of VC funds. I don't trust it until i see it working in real applications.
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  565. California is turning into communism.. Government controls everything. Central planning over free market.
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  566.  @wolfgangpreier9160  X5 is extremely popular in North America. However regardless of its popularity, the fact that it's selling price is around $100k and with it's imposing size people automatically assume it's a safe car. Yet it rates lower than even Mazda 3. What a joke BMW
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  567.  @neilkurzman4907  again depending on your usage. For most average people EV makes sense. But if you were a grandma only driving 2km to church every Sunday, carrying a long range EV battery that can go 300+ miles is a waste and it will still degrades with calendar aging despite low mileage usage.
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  568.  @dvader3263  agreed but your government rather spend that money on military hardware that kills innocent lives
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  569. Except Americans can only buy inferior EVs. All the good ones are banned due to national security concerns.
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  570.  @baldisaerodynamic9692  Tesla made in China is way better than American made Tesla, which uses inferior Panasonic and LG batteries instead of BYD blade or CATL batteries that are way better. BYD is not crappy.That's your brainwashed biased.
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  571.  @aoeuuaoaou  they will likely outlast Panasonic mnc cells
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  572. What a simpleton you are
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  573. Anyone with a brain knows robotaxi will not work in the next 10 years. Tesla stock is going to tank
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  574. Depends on where you live. In the ghetto like yours, I agree there probably aren't any.
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  575. LNG powered is still cleaner than diesel.
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  576. Bolt is much more reliable than Tesla.
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  577. full of lies. it makes mistakes unless you correct it will cost your life.
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  578.  @timothykeith1367  Your key word is "usually". There is really nothing stopping Chinese becoming offering better support and services. And one thing we know about the Chinese is that they adapt and learn quickly and will worker harder than Americans. But don't worry, Tesla will be kept alive in America. It's just that they will lose market share anywhere it's a level play field with the Chinese.
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  579. You are a joke
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  580.  @mihailprokopenko6174  which brand and models are you talking about?
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  581. Democracy fails when the voter base is not educated and informed.
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  582. Elon is full of false promises
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  583.  @KP-xi4bj  no coupling necessary. In my Volvo PHEV. Ice and electric drivetrains are separate. One dives the front wheels and the other rear wheels. 98% of time I use electric only..ice is only started if I can't find charging station on a long trip or when snow on the ground I need AWD
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  584.  @KP-xi4bj  "Repairing An EV Is 30% More Expensive On Average Than .." June 4, 2024, InsideEV. It's not that anything wrong with the EVs, but the currently they aren't designed for repairability - battery packs are tightly intgrated into the chasis of the EV, any damage or faulty cell will usually require replacement of the whole pack instead of just an individual component. ICE on the other hand can be repaired piecewise, and there are no shortage of qualified mechanic. EV technicians on the other hand are in short supply.
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  585. They have to say that in order to get research grants. Unlike down to earth Chinese EV companies, they don't plan on ever making these into production.
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  586. Chevrolet Bolt EV / EUV were actually good EVs. The only EVs not copying Tesla's computer on wheels design, and were affordable, but they killed it. They are going to replace it with computer on wheels just like another Tesla copy cat, but most likely much worse in reliability and functions. On top of that, they will be more expensive than Bolt.
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  587.  @MultiSilversalmon  I'll never go back to an ICE car either. you failed to read my comment, please go back to elementary school and get your reading comprehension checked. I like EVs without too many electronic and software. There are gas cars with autonomous driving features too, would I want them? No either.
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  588. You can't really compare computer technology with battery. Battery technology moves much slower
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  589. I agree replacing coal plants with renewable is good idea choosing Tesla was a bad choice. They probably did it because Tesla is a famous brand. They could have gotten better deal and better quality of service from CATL or BYD. But the politics stands in the way
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  590. Heat pump should be an option. It's useful in temperate climate, but basically useless in extreme cold Canada north. With all that added complexity and cost and prone to failure when working so hard in very cold weather. Not to mention noise and vibration compared to regular resistive heater. At least heat pump equiped cars should allow user to choose which heating mode to use - heat pumo or resistive. Sometimes, when range is not a concern, but quiet and comfort is priority one should be able to turn off heat pump.
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  591. Musk aligned himself with AfD supporters who will only buy BMWs and Mercedes.
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  592. People need to voice their dislikes for stuck on tablet designs of all EVs and majority of ice cars. What happened to the nice integrated screens? These new trend of tablets on wheels just look disgusting. Please stop buying these cheap stuck on tablet center console anymore
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  593. Not quite. Charging speed still has long way to compete with fossil fuel refuelling speed.
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  594.  @petergersbach7355  right we should just never question the power to be and trust our government. Might as well live in China
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  595. You still need petroleum for plastics, rubber, toothpaste and so many chemicals we use. I wonder what happens to those combustable components of petroleum when we stop using fossil fuel at all? Do they just go to waste after extracting other useful substances from crude oil?
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  596.  @icedout2322  famous last words lol
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  597.  @ChickensAndGardening  No doubt Tesla is doing fine, they have little competition in North America. They are doing OK in China, but losing share slightly to Chinese OEMs. There are people who are willing to switch to EVs in North America but would not because lack of choices - not everyone wants to drive a Tesla - or want a cheaper option but not available. For myself, I'd jump on a chance to buy a new Ora Goodcat which is around $20k, with 60kwh battery. There simply no comparable models by other brands.
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  598.  @dvader3263  so Tesla less bad FSD makes it good? Lol it's still bad. Not good enough to completely let car drive itself == useless
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  599.  @dvader3263  All the other OEMs stock value doesn't have any FSD priced in. Tesla is stil inflated because all the hype of FSD and robots priced in , and they are never going to come true, not within 20 years, so the stock will keep crashing.
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  600.  @larryevans6739  agreed. Tesla doesn't really have any technical advantage over its competitors in the energy business other than brand recognition and taking advantage of sinophobia.
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  601. this is going to hinder adoption of charging infrastructure in apartment complexes. Insurance for the properties with charging EVs will go up.
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  602.  @davidmarkmann6098  if I'm a fool then I still deserve to be safe. That's what fool proof safety feature means. I don't want to have to be smart enough to learn some fancy high tech gimmick just to be safely operating a car. If you think I'm fool or ignorant it doesn't invalidate my argument.
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  603.  @jamie-ck6js  Lambo and Ferrari are not for mainstream. A mainstream vehicle like model 3 should have safety in mind for all people, not just nimble and fast learning young people, but it should cover all age groups of people with varying abilities.
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  604.  @GG-si7fw  yes from engineering perspective and from corporate earning point of view it's great. Not from users point of view it's completely different. An analogy would be manual transmission vs automatic transmission. Manual transmission is by far a better engineering solution than automatic it's simple, more efficient, lighter and as you say it does more with less . Last longer and more reliable and cheaper to make. But it's damn hard to use and you need users to train to be good at it. That's my point. Stalkless is simpler and cheaper to manufacturer but not a better user experience.
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  605. The US EV sales will also decline if Trump gets rid of tax incentives. Musk is betting on FSD completion this year, but when that fails, Musk and Trump will divorce.
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  606. How about the fact that you don't really own it? All Tesla cars can be disabled by over the air software update should there be a heck on Tesla centralized servers?
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  607. Solar panels is a waste. If you park in the sun all the time it's going to take more energy to cool battery pack and cabin before getting in the car. Not to mention it's bad for paint and components
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  608.  @gzsg1  nahh I don't even want a Tesla. I already had two and sold them last year when used car prices were high. They are by far the worst build quality cars I've ever owned. Thankfully this market is full of hype chasers who would pay more for less. I also sold Tesla stock near it highs for a huge profit and will only buy back when people loses all hopes for robotaxi. I'm far from whining. I'm simply pouting out the fact Tesla is a company with bad business practices for consumers. It's only matter if time demand falls off the cliff when they lose the monopoly status in EV space
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  609.  @KP-xi4bj  how many confirmed BYD fires by Bev not PHEV don't count . Tesla had 200 spontaneous fires as of 2023. Chevy bolt recalled all 69000 due to fire risk.. is BYD that much worse statistically than iconic Western brands?
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  610.  @KidHorn7001  not true. It's this kind of statements the mislead people to make unsafe assumptions and cause accidents. Tesla FSD cannot SELF DRIVE, PERIOD. It's level 2, and requires constant human supervision, meaning hands on wheel, full attention. Do you describe this as car being able to SELF DRIVE?
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  611. BMW EVs have fake sounds of engine as well. They are such hypocrites.
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  612. ​ @paddylogan13  burning things is still the most efficient way to get heat
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  613. It's a trap. Robotaxi won't be here until 2040
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  614. Toyota makes all kinds of excuses, lack of demand, not enough raw materials for battery. The truth is they are too dumb and lazy to innovate and pivot. Simple as that.
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  615. Off-road on model y? It has ground clearance or Camry it's a joke
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  616. BYD share hold here. Kind of disappointed. I think we may go even lower as EV adoptions worldwide will take a pause in the next year or two, plus geopolitical situation with China and the West is going going well. But in long term, I trust industriousness and ingenuity of Chinese people, they will dominate EVs in the end, beating most of Western legacy autos. but in short tern, be prepared for a bumpy ride.
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  617. What tech?
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  618.  @JosephHowes2003  yeah but it still takes min 20 min to supercharge. I just hate to always have to sync my bodily functions with the charging schedule. Oh a road trip I want to have freedom of eating wherever and use bathroom when I need to, not sync up with charging stops. I don't want the thoughts of are we going to make it to the next charging stop occupy half my brain while I could be spending time enjoying experience of travel itself.
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  619.  @Fitforacting  I owned 3 EVs including two Tesla's I know what I'm talking about. Route planner doesn't always work. There could be road closures, sudden change in your plan. You should always have backup plan when traveling long distances in EVs
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  620. What's your Tesla stock draw down lol
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  621. The West realizes they will never catch up to China in EVs, so they double down on ICE. If Trump wins, you will see government incentives on EVs go away, and the whole EV scenes in the West will fade away..
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  622.  @MichaelCole-y8s  maintenance is not same as damages repairs. things can always break, natural aging or from usage. Most of EV makers don't allow right to repair with lots of proprietary software. Qualified technicians are very limited as compared to overwhelming number of auto shops that can repair ice cars.
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  623. Doesn't make a dent. Ethiopia will remain poor regardless. It has so many other problems far outweigh the benefits of electrification.
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  624.  @markburmeister4674  that's not true. Im a realist. I rooted for model 3 when it was still ramping up because it was at least realistic. Then Elon gone mad with FSD and cybertruck. FSD is already proven flop if you still don't believe it. Cybertruck is also a flop
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  625. Autonomy is a flop. Even with Trump support. The tech is simply not ready, and won't be for 10+ more years.
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  626. And doge coin will be the official currency on Mars
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  627. I guess some people like to play efficiency game. Sacrifice comfort of AC and heater to extend range. But I think most people will quickly get tired of this game and prefer the comfort more. Trying to sell EVs to average consumers and tell them not to use AC and heater, use heated and cooling seats instead is not going to work long term.
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  628.  @Michael-yi4mc  that's when I bought in 2019 December and sold in 2021 when Dr. Kaparthy left Tesla then I knew FSD was a flop.
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  629. You are not being fair Sam. Just because 92% of lambo owners don't take their cars to track doesn't mean track performance is not important. It's just like 99% of cybertruck owners will never take bullets doesn't mean being bullet proof is not important. 90% of Jeep owners never take their cars offroad either, doesn't mean offroad capability is not important etc. etc.
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  630. EVs do have a con though. Their use need to be planned. It's not as flexible as gas cars when it comes to handling unexpected usage such as taking alternate route on road closures or bad weather where there is no charging stations along the way. When you have to run somewhere in emergency just when battery level is low. With gas cars you can refuel in 5 minutes, with EVs it could take hours worse yet having to go out of your way to find a charging station and hope it's working or not occupied.
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  631.  @MsAjax409  I think you are wrong to believe Tesla is close to FSD. Time will tell. No need to argue here
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  632. The clown knows nothing about FSD
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  633. Consumers have voted with their wallets. They'd rather buy a big gas guzzler like Toyota Land Cruiser than an environmentally friendly Tesla EV. Why? I don't think it's about EV vs ICE, as there are also plenty of ICE cars that went down in sales and value (likes of Land Rovers and Mercedes). It's more about high tech car with fragile computers and software vs. simple reliable easy to repair with long term residual value. It's time for EV makers to wake up and design simple analog EVs rather than computers on wheels that become worthless as soon as out of warranty.
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  634.  @Chainyanker007  that's what I hate the most about computer on wheels. Software update..
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  635.  @rp9674  where can you get $30k Tesla? Here in Canada Tesla model 3 is at least 65k. Bolt was $35k when I bought it last year
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  636. Nice try but not really sustainable. Who is going to pay for it? And also lots of energy loss via wireless charging
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  637. I drove by a wind farm recently. I feel bad for the farmers living nearby. The constant noise must make sleeping difficult in an otherwise peaceful countryside.
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  638. ​ @rogerphelps9939 wind and solar don't negate the need for base load. Nuclear ensures energy security when sun is not shining and wind is not blowing
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  639.  @Globalscanningeyes  you are being sarcastic right
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  640. Not a surprise, it's government mandate and incentives driven sales.
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  641.  @davidbrayshaw3529  It's true. Especially the fragile nature of battery pack. If just one cell in the battery pack is bust, the entire pack is toast, you can't repair just one cell, unlike ICE, you can replace certain components and the rest of engine can still function.
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  642.  @robertfonovic3551  SUVs. That's why they are popular in North America, it's because of the potholes. Them European sports cars with firm suspension just doesn't hold up well or comfortable in North American roads.
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  643.  @robertfonovic3551  true you need both softer suspension and high ground clearance for rough roads and thick snow
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  644.  @andrewsaint6581  Engineering behind EV is extremely simple, battery hooked up to motor. Crating AI systems that can full self drive is 1 million times harder. Totally different ball game.
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  645. They would not be able to come to North America. But if geely was smart they could rebadge it under a Volvo model s70e for example.
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  646. Probably cycle life is short
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  647. It's not just the rate of charging. The availability and reliability of chargers are even more crucial to adoption. What good is 20 min 350 miles charging if the charger is 20 minutes away and when you get there it's already occupied or broken?
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  648. Japan's electronics industry got destroyed by iPhones because for years they ignored disruption of software. Now their car industry will be destroyed by EVs. It seems Japanese focuses too much on hardware / tangible things. In electronics, they only care about hardware, not focus on software and they lost the race. Now they can't wrap their head around charing cars with invisible electricity. They only know and feel it's approriate to "fuel" the car with some tangible stuff, if not fossil fuel, then it has to be hydrogen. They can't accept that invisible electricity powering a car.
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  649. Jim Farley is right. FSD is fool's errands. Better to focus on their strength. AGI is still 20 years away
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  650.  @nickmcconnell1291  Nah, I already knew video generation was possible even 5 years ago, it was just matter of waiting for faster hardware and packaging it nicely for consumers like Open AI did. There is nothing revolutionary here. A pocket calculator can do multiplication millions times faster than humans, doesn't mean it can reason. AI machine learning can play chess better, can generate videos based on pattern matching, doesn't mean it can reason. Humans can learn from a handful examples, machine learning models need millions. They lack flexibility and general reasoning of human brain. In a game simulation, maching learning algorithm will be eatn by a lion a million times in various different ways before it learns to avoid it every time, not just sometimes. Even the dumbest human players will learn to avoid lions EVERY time, after just being eaten once, or twice. That's why sometimes you get werid mistakes from AI, such as a realistic looking picture of a farmer, but he has 6 fingers in one hand. Or videos with 3 wolves emerging out of just one body. Sometimes in Tesla FSD, a glare or smoke, or flash or light will make it mistaken for sometime else, and brake hard. It's all just examples of werid errors even the dumbest humans will not make. They cannot generalize and reason in broader context. All we are doing now with the current AI is improving task-specific level, making them more accurate and faster, but will never be able to adapt and be flexible like humans. What if FSD car encounters a police officer redirecting traffic with hand gestures? How many different hand gesture data examples does it need to be trained on before it can accurately and reliably handle all situations? Not all police officers do gestures the same way, not all of them wear the same uniform, some have gloves on, some don't, some use 1 finger, some uses 3 fingers etc. etc. What if there is a road rage, can AI read the "emotions" of the scene? Humans can sense danger and steer away from such situations. There many many such examples that the current AI machine learning bots simply unable to handle as well as humans can intuitively. I've been in this field many years. I hate to use the term AI because we don't have it yet. What we have is machine learning model of nueral network, which is not a model of human brain or mind, but simply a computer algorithm optimized for pattern reconition and reconstructure. It does not have ability to reason or understand which are both required for being called intelligent. You can ask a machine to generate a picture or a video of roomful of people at party. Then Ask the machine learning AI what is the vibe or mood of the roomful of people, and who is at the center of attention. Is he/she feeling happy or sad? It will not be able to answer these simple questions, but average humans can effortlessly.
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  651.  @doittoit00  We still don't have FSD - nothing is "fully driving itself" yet. Yes, there were a lot of improvement, but still not good enough to fully replace human, and won't be for many years. It's easy to conquer the first 95%, it's the last 5% edge cases that's exponentially harder, and it's the last 0.1% that's almost impossible. Read my other reply, you will see what I mean. It's not just needing more data more compute etc. You need a fundamentally different architecture. You can throw all the money in the world at it (brute force machine learning), all you will achieve is smaller and smaller incremental imrovements, but fundamentally will not achieve AGI, by extension, no true level 4, 5 FSD.
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  652. Tesla stock still has lots of risks - slowing EV growth, sluggish Chinese economy, robotaxi / AI hype priced in.
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  653. Tesla is known for unsavory business practices
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  654. Easy solution.. move the factory to China
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  655. That's easy. Move more factories to Mexico.. labour cost is even lower than China. But quality may suffer
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  656.  @tvtriviachampion  No it's definitely politically motivated. They don't have import tarrif on other import cars just Chinese.
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  657. BlackBerry failed because lack of innovation in areas such as appstore accessibility, slow performance, small touchscreen etc.. Lack of features. Not because not manufacturing in China
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  658.  @paulb1951  so you don't think Japanese EVs are objectively bad?
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  659.  @paulb1951  Everyone's opinion is interesting to me. It is true Toyota is still doing well in ICE car market. but we are not talking about ICE cars. Japanese ICE cars are still the best in the world, but their EVs suck. Objectively speaking. If the future is moving towards EV dominance, then Japanese car makers like Toyota will no doubt shrink or even go bankrupt. I don't think they will ever catch up to the Chinese and Tesla. Their only survival is somehow ICE cars remain a large market segment. That is quite possible in Trump gets elected.
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  660. Maybe true for China.. Americans will still be driving around gas guzzling half ton trucks
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  661.  @whowhy9023  it remains to be seen if Tesla longevity can match that of legendary Toyota Land cruiser
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  662. Slight scratch on the underbody will total this car.
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  663. Because it is overly dependent on China market that has a perceived instability due to Taiwan risk.
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  664. No it's still Swedish, in terms of production and design work are all done in Sweden still.
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  665. Except when there is no sun
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  666. It'll be interesting to see how China's economy is going to turn out with consumer's slumping because of real estate woes, but at the same time, innovations in areas especially in EV and green tech is supercharing forward.
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  667. Throughput is the hey word. Being able to handle peak demand is still a challenge. Since DC fast charging still takes 3 - 4 times longer than filling up gas, it will need 3 - 4 times more charging stalls as gas pumps to be able to handle the same amount of traffic throughput during the peak travel seasons, or high crowd events. And the grid also need high enough capacity to handle sudden rise in demand. Just because it's no problem in average times doesn't mean it will be as robust as peak demand. Think critically. Gas stations can stock up in preperation to a peak demand event such as conert or sports, or solar eclipse, but most EV charging stations don't have its own battery storage, but rely on grid capacity. Will the grid be able to handle sudden spike of 5x 10x of demand?
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  668. Doubt BYD will take 50% share in 12 months. China is politically unpopular in Australia. Chinese warships appearing near the coast of Sydney adds to that unpopularity.
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  669.  @joeltrail8186  I'm a Canadian too. I think Canada is doing pretty well in cleaning up production side of things but still has long way to go in curbing over consumption. I don't know why we had to follow the US pickup truck culture. IMHO, pickup trucks should be banned fromr passenger vehicles not only are they wasteful but also dangerous in collision for other small cars and pedastrian. They also occupy allot of road and parking space. They are completely unnecessary and the only reason they are popular is because they are classified as work vehicles are exempt for EPA fuel efficiency standards. It's a loophole that should have been closed long ago.
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  670. Most cars don't break down in 50k miles. It's nothing to brag about.
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  671. True for consumer vehicles. But for long haul trasport and aviation, battery energy density is still not good enough. Hydrogen is only thing to replace fossil fuel in those applications.
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  672. Mazda is still thriving in NA, in gas car segment. They are starting to build some good PHEVs. I'm looking forward to especially Mazda 6 wagon rumored to come out next year. There is not enough wagons.
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  673. It's pure economics. Most of people under 40 have much less money than older people. Still most of Americans hate Chinese cars, and only buy them if they are significantly cheaper, and they would still have negative perception of their quality, whether justified or not.
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  674. In 30 years
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  675. I didn't think Tesla is going to pull off FSD or robots. Chinese might beat Tesla to it if it were possible at all using the current neural network model which i doubt
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  676.  @jdmguy44  highly unlikely.. Be criticized BYD labor practices in Brazil
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  677. I'm not against heavy cars, especially the weight comes from added safety and sound deadening materials. German built BMW and Mercs are well known for the solid door closing thud sound. No other makers can replicate so far.
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  678. I'm all for using EV batteries as backup storage. But it involves major upgrade in the home electrical panel.
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  679.  @ScottOstr  I think in 5 years, FSD will still be in beta, and optimus robots will still be in development. But Tesla will continue to do well for types of buyers who are looking for a game console on wheels instead of driver focused cars. But the $TSLA stock will either be flat or down by then because the hype of AI / FSD / robotaxi will have completed been faded by then. Toyota will probably also down because they will be losing market share to Chinese autos in global markets. The best case for Tesla is it's going to sell more cars - cyber truck, model 2 etc. but it's just that, a car company. 2 - 5X max. I already made 20x from 2019 to 2022 peak, will not look at this one until it's sub- 100. It's silly people fomo into Tesla now that's already popular, and they didn't when it was near bankrupcy in 2019.
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  680.  @ScottOstr  That's my point exactly. No matter how efficient their manufacturing is, they are just a car company, competing with cheap Chinese autos, race to the bottom. The upside is limited to 2 - 5X max. downside could be 80% given unstable personality of Elon Musk. There are better risk / reward elsewhere.
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  681.  chillfluencer  the problem with the developing countries is the lack of power generation and changing infrastructure.. Who is going to invest in politically unstable places for example?
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  682.  @rogergeyer9851  yeah but it's not just simple statistics like fatality per 100000 miles. It's also the types of mistakes. If AI makes weird mistakes that humans would rarely make it's still a problem. It makes AI cars behaviour unpredictable. Difficult for humans to avoid potential accidents with them.
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  683.  @coolco1619  Absolutely life takers for some people literally. NHTSA is investigating 460 Tesla FSD / autopilot related accidents, and 13 deaths.
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  684. In the mean while Toyota shares soar.
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  685. ​ @billcichoke2534 Chinese made EVs are the best quality Tesla or BYD
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  686.  @stefan2796  Also because EV battery tech improving and cost decreasing fast. Used EVs quickly become obsolete. Don't feel too comfortable in ICE vehicles either. At some point, they will start to depreciate fast if / when new EVs cost less than ICE cars, and public charging infrastruction gets good enough to overcome range anxiety.
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  687. For people living in apartments without access to charging infrastructure..
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  688.  @jimgraham6722  I agree. As long as China has a productive economy and industrious people debt is not a problem. The problem is only if government becomes corrupt and refocuses on political ideals instead of welfare of its people then it's real danger. So far it hasn't got to that point but there is a potential risk
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  689. FSD without AGI is likely only level 3 - meaning, you dont have to touch the wheel, not even pay attention the road, but you still have to be awake in the car in case the car alerts you and wants you to take over when it encouters situation that needs human attention. You aren't just interacting with other cars and pedastrians in orderly fashion, there could be temporary road closures, you may have to interact with road workers or police officers redirecting traffic. You might be blocking someone trying to get into a parking space. He might gesture to you, or even step out of car trying to communicate with you verbally or with gesture. You will need AGI to properly handle these interactions, and that's still 10+ years away, for level 4 or level 5 (no driver or human in car at all, or passenger can just have a nap and wake up at destination).
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  690. I think Volvo might be an exception. They have come close to extinction before and inovated their way out. And their legendary focuse on safety will always have a core fans like myself. Their EV transition is also the most aggressive among legacy autos
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  691.  @davidnorton5887  and I'm not just talking about cheap obvious ones like Jeep, but you'd be surprised to find luxury brands like BMW x5 and Audi Q3 keeps failing basic crash tests by Euro encap and iihs. How about Toyota 4runner? Still fail at moderate overlap crash test. Volvo not only score high on iihs and government crash tests but they crash one of their vehicles every month from different angles just to see how else safety can be improved. Only Volvos phev locates batteries in the middle of the car to minimize the chance fire when crashed. They go beyond what's required by iihs and government. On paper it might score the same as Toyota RAV4 but in real life crashes Volvo is much safer then average cars with the same safety score
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  692.  @imrytebeehyneu  Again, it's not about EV vs ICE, 90% of new ICE cars are guilty of it also, that's why people tend to keep older cars longer. it's about simple physical controls vs stuck on tablet computer on wheels with overly complicated software that crashes once in a while. I can deal with the latter, but rather stick with the forner. Bolt EV was the last simple analog EV, but it's been discontinued. In Europe they still have Darcia Spring, but none of the new EVs in North America are being designed with simplicity and ease of use in mind. It's all about tech gadgets and gimmicks, that frankly does more harm than its entertainment purposes.
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  693.  @imrytebeehyneu  you totally missed my point. I'm not even against EV. I do drive an EV. I just don't like computer on wheels concept that's taking over the car industry. No I also didn't say bolt was better than Tesla.. Clearly bolt EV battery pack is inferior but I do prefer its traditional controls and ease of use. Please, just because Tesla makes an overall good EVs, don't become a Elon cult follower and everything Tesla has are the greatest and everyone should embrace. There are plenty of faults with Tesla as well And no. A car is not like an iPhone. That analogy has been over played too many times. I've had two Teslas since 2017 and 2 other EVs. I know more than you about EVs and cars in general. No need to lecture me about the benefits of smart car concept. You need to realize not everyone has the same preference.
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  694.  @richardgrant418  one not example Tesla model y. They call it crossover. Its ground clearance is higher than Toyota Camry
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  695. Most current EV designs focuses on range under IDEAL CONDITIONS so that it looks good on paper. Low ground clearance and flush door handles are meant for that. The problem is for us in the North, we don't care about 2% more range flush door handles if it means having to spend 20 min in the freezing rain with hair dryer just to get the door open. The 2-3% range improvement is negligible in cold weather anyway. Temperature and direction of wind affects range way more than the gimmicky door handles that's hard to use
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  696. This video makes all North Americans jealous
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  697. Not just convinience, but also security. Can you handle extreme emergency situations with EVs say in extremely cold weather, battery range is reduced, and you have to low charge at the time emergency call happens, and you have no time to go to a charger and wait 30 min. etc. For me PHEV takes care of that, and I still drive 99% of miles in pure EV mode, but have a sense of security when emergency call happens, I can handle it with gas engine at backup.
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  698.  @sergiomomesso1590  Tesla or Volvo. I'd avoid German brands they are overpriced and tends to use LG batteries also
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  699.  @nordlandak6853  smaller EVs are more efficient than larger EVs in terms of kwh/100km . Because of battery weight and energy density
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  700.  @nordlandak6853  some of the most unsafe cars are actually SUVs. Toyota 4 runner for example. Mazda3 scores higher crash test by far
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  701.  @beautifulgirl219  safe only in statistical sense. Just like air travel is safer than driving. But residents nearby still have high anxiety because it's out of their control and radiation is invisible. Just like air travel gives some people anxiety because it's also out of your control. At least with driving you are in control you can control various risk levels such as speed, route you take. How much attention you pay , did you drink alcohol or not , safety equipment in vehicle etc. Etc. . Once nuclear reactor goes wrong it goes very wrong and catastrophic, just like airplane it rarely crashes, but when it does, you die and there is nothing you can do to prepare for it, unlike driving.
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  702. Hydrogen proponents keep arguing refuelling speed as an advantage, but with all the other disadvantages. I think it all depends on use cases. In most daily lives, refuelling speed is not important. In use cases where refuelling rate is important, create EVs with removeable batteries and swap batteries, that will solve the problem.
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  703. You are the kind that always think status quo will continue. I bet 10 years ago you'd never guessed how wide spread electric cars would be today. You probably said EVs would never work. Battery density too low. Charging time too slow etc.
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  704. Stiff ride is common for performance vehicles they prioritize high speed stability over ride comfort. Even Corolla or Chevy bolt are much more comfortable than BMW or Tesla
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  705. Correction: C40 is not a PHEV. It is BEV.
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  706. 300k USD for assembly plant work? You got to be kidding me.
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  707. In other words, Tesla's success can be attributed to government's regulations.
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  708.  @drunvert  This comment is laughable. Everyone I know has access to electricity. And it's far easier to have access to electricity than any liquid fuel that needs to be extracted from ground, refined transported, stored carefully and made available to everywhere. Disruption in any of these supply chains can cause fuel shortages. I have solar panels on my roof. It's far cheaper than making your own gasoline or hydrogen in your backyard.
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  709. this is not really good for Tesla, meaning there won't be any short squeezes.
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  710. In your dreams. It's the last 5% that will take decades to achieve. Tail problems
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  711.  @InformedKiwi  well said
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  712. Video title is how LONG do they last, but it emphasizes mileage instead. 6 years is not a long time. Will it last more than 12 years even if it driven low mileage? I've seen reports that 20 - 30% of early model S and LEAF required battery replacement around year 11 - 13. No doubt EVs are better than gas cars in high mileage applications. But I only drive 3 - 5k miles per year. A Toyota corrola will probably last 25 - 30 years. I doubt an EV battery will last more than 15 years even if driven at this low mileage.
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  713. Chinese are overproducing batteries but the US can't import them due to trade barriers.
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  714. I think all the big pickup trucks and SUVs EV or otherwise should be banned in cities unless you can prove you have absolute need for it such as for your work or business. If you are driving pickup trucks to office jobs, that's just idiotic.
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  715.  @ChrisHPSNZ  That's better than catching fire while charging or parked while you are sleeping next to it. When ICE car is catching fire while driving you see it coming, usually engine overheating or similar signs, you are conscious about it and can pull over to road side and escape.
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  716. They would be right if FSD actually worked. It's fool's errands.. should i say FOOL SELF DRIVING
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  717. Discrimination. Japanese people are very united against foreign imports. You don't see any American cars, and very low number of European imports. most Mercedes are driven by Yakuzas.
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  718. This is Toyota s desperate attempt to appeal to those who are nostalgic about good old stickshift gas cars.
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  719.  @larryc1616  I didn't say that. In fact, most of modern ICE cars face the same problem. But at least there are still some choices in ICE cars with low techs such as some Toyota and Jeep models and some low end pickups. They are very resilient to physical abuses and not prone to finicky electronic failures.
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  720. With that many miles you spent so much money on fuel you could have had another new car
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  721. I don't think there legacy auto makers will be able to compete with Chinese EVs. They might fill a niche market for a while but will go down slowly.
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  722. Range range always about range. How about comfort and reliability? In my experience, my egolf heat pump compressor started making loud noise due to unbalanced fan. In colder weather, heat pump is useless and weak and makes loud vibration and pumps out little heat
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  723.  @Dr.Gehrig  I don't have all the answers. It depends on use cases and your climate. No need to get all bent out of shape just because I pointed out some flaws in your naive thinking. Which solar projects are you talking about? I haven't seen any practical solar cars being used in real life. Most of them are just for experiments or to show how efficient they can make a car to be. they aren't designed for every day comfort and practicality.
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  724. How fitting that Japan is committing environmental and climate atrocities after they committed humanitarian atrocities during the war.
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  725. Airplanes still need fossil fuel. Military vehicles need fossil fuel for fast refuelling. There are simply applications that cannot be fulfilled by electric mobility. Not yet
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  726. Media never said EV sales are slowing in China, they are saying EV are slowing down in North America, land of the free lol
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  727. Not everyone need a supercar like acceleration. Tesla cars rude quality is stiff, impractical in winter low ground clearance and flush door handles freeze over. Touchscreen controls distract driver attention. Low reliability in older models and expensive repair cost.
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  728.  @mavelous1763  not me. I don't care for that much power and speed. As long as adequate acceleration to get on freeway and merge anything extra is waste of money and resource put in the car and may even increase the chance of accident. I'd much prefer Tesla focus on ride comfort and higher quality interior and put in some physical buttons and turn stalk instead. And real door handles that can be pulled open easily during freezing months here in Canada.
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  729.  @colinwiseman  not for environment but it's convenient. Depends on your priorities. There is no one size fits all. Better for some, worse for others
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  730. What poor taste
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  731. They will build more coal plants to supply the grid just like China. CO2 emissions will increase not decrease because of EVs
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  732.  @jayan5221  a normal person doesn't slow down towards yellow light then still go through it, just to risk it turning red the last moment. If I'm intending to speed through yellow light I'd keep the same speed or even accelerate while still paying close attention to the traffic around the intersection. If I slow down to a yellow light it means I intend to stop. It just gives confusing signal to left turn traffic if you slow down towards a yellow light but not stop. Very dangerous
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  733.  @juliewow4504  that's why Asian countries like China and Japan are great. Not only people are still willing to do manual labor but actually take pride in what they do and do them in perfection.
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  734.  @darpompie4354  EV battery pack is made up of thousands of cells. If just one of the cells is damaged or ages out because of dendrites, then the whole pack is not usable due to safety concerns. Also they are exposed to seasonal temperatures changes and vibration unlike your MacBook.
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  735.  @Dat_Sun  What kind of car is that? 90 HP can have same payload as a huge EV truck? - such as Rivian or F150 lightening? what are you talking about?
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  736.  @Dat_Sun  What about fuel cost though? Driving EVs will save you $3000 - $5000 in fuel cost per year depending how much you drive. Even if EV lasts only 10 years (most should go 12 - 15 years), and most battery packs can do 200k - 300k miles. that's $40k fuel saving alone. Also other maintenance items such as no timing belt, no spark plugs , less brake wear. EVs still come out ahead assuming no major accident.
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  737.  @Dat_Sun  true . But they don't need to match gasoline energy density for all use cases.. majority of use cases is less than 40 miles a day commute to work. No large payload required. Not saying which is superior. Each has its own advantages and use cases. For me I'm just average guy who go to work and drive kids to school and go to grocery once twice a week. I got a phev which saves me 90% fuel cost compared to gasoline car. Sure if Im in business of moving large items and travelling long distances on regular basis id consider a different car. But for average non tradesperson who can charge at home, EV currently beats ice cars purely in terms of money saved.
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  738.  @Dat_Sun  most don't drive 300k miles but plenty of 150k - 200k miles EV exist just look at Auto trader listings. It's not a stretch to extrapolate some will make it to 300k eventually. But even at 150k -200k miles, fuel cost savings already beats owning an ice car .
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  739. Sam just wants to pump his Tesla bag that is dead money for 3 years
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  740. How is this battery different for PHEV vs regular EV? EXplain. I don't get it.
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  741.  @Goni983  What makes you think Equinox EV will be more repairable. Last I checked any EVs whether made by Tesla or legacy autos need specially trained mechanic to perform repairs and they are in short supply and expensive.
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  742. Hope so. Until then there is no reliable EV
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  743. Fanboys will claim robots finally started replacing human workers yay!
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  744. Having such a big battery pack any damage to it would be astronomical cost to replace the battery pack.
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  745. Tesla is one trick pony. Just one model since 2019. Sales will taper off without model 2.
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  746.  @dvader3263  you are focusing on the past data. Current year is 2024
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  747. I kinda agree. Cyber truck is completely different than rivian trucks. People who love traditional design go for rivian and ford. Cyber truck is its own niche
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  748. This goes to show how ignorant most people are about how EV batteries age compared to ice. Miles travelled is irrelevant as battery has no moving parts. It's the charging cycle and conditions under which, also the calendar aging that affects degradation. Mentioning how many miles doesn't impress or surprise me anymore. But if any battery can last longer than 15 years then I'll listen
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  749. You can't explain Chinese efficiency with just over subsidy. You can throw money at Americans they still can't match the Chinese efficiency and ingenuity
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  750. 98% of Tesla recalls are fixed by software update? Why didn't they get it right the first time? As for FSD Tesla will fail for sure. I think Nio or xpeng will reach level 4 before Tesla. If it's reachable at all.
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  751. Still nobody wants a computer on wheels. Redesign it to be more practical instead of reducing the price.
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  752. Battery is getting better and cheaper which is great for consumers but bad for resale value of existing EVs. Better to wait for cheaper EVs when battery glut hits the market.
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  753. Two problems I see with this: 1. Low income doesn't always mean poor. Someone could have high networth - billions, yet have 0 annual income if his money is all tied in stocks and he doesn't sell any of it during that year. Many of the big CEOs make $0 or $1 salary, yet have tons of stocks. 2. If you are truly making low income, then it's doubtful you live in a house with your own level 2 charger. So this is forcing poor people to wait in the cold for public charger? And price of public fast charging is not that much cheaper than filling up gas. It doesn't benefit the poor all that much.
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  754. oil prices are falling primarily because of China economy slump.
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  755. It doesn't matter. Without FSD, Tesla is just a car company
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  756.  @icosthop9998  why would I want to bury my head in an echo chamber like you? I like EVs too but I can also see both sides pro and cons of EVs vs ice at current state. I like to voice the other side of argument for a healthy debate. I also go to Petro heads channels and disagree with their call that all EVs are trash. Both ice and EVs have good use cases right now. Leaning on either extreme is foolish and simple minded
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  757. Everyone will get government checks to afford these cars but then they don't have anywhere to go with them no jobs to go and grocery is delivered to home by robots as well
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  758. I sold my Tesla and bought another EV. Not because of political opinions but Tesla is just a bad product.
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  759. This is laughable. Tesla bots are scams. You will see Tesla stock plunge to $50 after disappointment after disappointment on AI, robotaxi and robots
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  760. @ It's like proof by induction, always next year, then it'll go to infinity year.
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  761.  @asean1015  I don't know about Korea, but I lived in China, Japan and the US. I have never had to use fax in business transactions or government forms, but only occassionaly for doctor's prescription to pharmacy which I think is truly outdated as well. For mobile payments, China has been cashless for well over a decade, but to this day, you still need to carry some cash with you when you go out, as a lot of small businesses still only accept cash, and vending machines only takes coins. Even in the US and Canada, I haven't used cash for last 5 years or so, maybe only in farmer's market. As for EVs, it is a well established fact that carbon emission associated with EV and battery manufacturing is significantly less than the emission produced by ICE vehicles during its lifespan, by 3 - 5X. I think Toyota's solid state plan is purely marketting, I don't see it ever come to fruition. Sorry bud
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  762. Because so many still blindly believe Japanese quality etc. load of BS
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  763. To cheat YouTube algorithm for longer content.
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  764. False. Neither waymo or Tesla has FSD.. They both will fail. Waymo only works in a Geo fenced areas.. Tesla is just out right scam to let people buy a feature that's not even functional. Who knows maybe some Chinese company will succeed. Unlikely it will be a US company
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  765.  @juliahello6673  No of course not, but the current generation of Japanese are enjoying the benefits from the plunders of their ancestors and therefore only fair to pay reperation to those who their grandparents plundered from. Much like European powers plundered from some parts of world resources and slave labours to build their industrial foundations that resulted many riches and technonological and socieital advances which laid foundation for the current Western superiority. Just like America is admitting the wrong doing of enslaving blacks and now giving African Americans and certain minority groups some advantages in jobs school positions in effort to right the historical wrongs they have suffered. Germany paid billions in reperations to survivors of Holocaust their parents and grandparents have done, it should be the same with Japan. It's only fair they pay back the debt they owe China with interest. The longer the keep ignoring it the more they owe and the more Chinese peoeple feel the are entitied to take back.
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  766.  @kabysummit5801  agreed. Most Japanese people I come across feel bad about what their ancestors have done during the war and one Japanese guy who became my best friend his grandfather was actually served in imperial Japanese army in China during the war. He had a lot of guilt and helped me a lot during my time in Japan because I am Chinese. Japanese government however is a puppet of the US. They could care less.
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  767. That's a great design. But I doubt robotaxi. Elon is way too optimistic on its timing.
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  768. Big load of bull
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  769. This guy is just racist against China, trying to appear patriotic and such.
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  770. Neural network is not like a child at all.. human mind can extrapolate from much less number of examples than machine learning. Machine learning gets harder and harder as it approaches the tail cases. Tesla is on the wrong path doing fool's errands
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  771. Bill Gates had many failed investments. Aquion energy a home battery company using salt water chemistry. It looked promising but it went bust in 2017.
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  772. I agree but let the man dream
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  773. Too bad this isn't a Chinese company, it doesn't fit the narrative of right wing American politics. I don't hear politicians calling out "Germany, or Japanese car companies are threatening environment and national security of America". If this was a Chinese company, they would say China this China that, instead of saying specific company names.
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  774. Simple.. To save weight
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  775. With the slowing EV demands, the only growth drivers are robotaxi and optimus robots, tall orders. I think Tesla will be a boring stock if not disasterous for the next few years
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  776.  @douglaswatt1582  says a disgruntled bag holder
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  777. Japanese have pride issues. They can't admit BYD which is Chinese in their mind is inferior to Japanese can beat them technologically. So instead of copying the inferior Chinese, they must go to solid state or hydrogen to prove a point. So we will see..
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  778. Doesn't work when temperature gets too low, or it has to work too hard and creates excessive noise and vibration and reducing service life.
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  779. Elon musk is well known for over promising and under deliver. Just look at FSD it's been promised for 5 years, still up in the air. If you are still thinking it's close, how many more 5 years are you going to wait until you say it's a flop?
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  780. When in doubt, just blame China. You will get a bunch of right wingers flock to your support no matter what.
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  781. Japanese cars are all junk
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  782. Micro heart attacks? Come on Sam even you know that's a stretch. If that were true anyone who ever raised a child would be dead many times by now.
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  783. Looks no different than some Chinese EVs that cost half the price but twice the capability and reliability.
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  784.  @davidnorton5887  true.. most of economy class cars such as RAV4 and Mazda 3s have gotten allot better. But you'd be surprised luxury class cars like BMW x5 still fail to achieve 5 star crash test even though it's more expensive than Volvo XC90. Audi only recently received 5 stars, for many years it had worse crash test scores than Mazda.
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  785. Low ride height of EVs is one reason adoption rate in low in the US where potholes and I shovelled snow are big problems. The range improvement from lowered ground clearance is only for highway speed. It makes no difference in local traffic especially in the cold of winter where most of range disappears from heating. No heated seats and belts don't make up for cold faces. Motor improvement though is good that there's no compromise
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  786. Heat pump doesn't really work in extreme cold under-5c. Also we don't know the longevity of these things with compressor working so hard. Slight imbalance can cause vibration and noise affecting it's life span and passenger comfort.
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  787. There is a limit on how much heat battery can generate in cold weather due to its very low energy density. A 1lb propane bottle contains 65kwh equivalent of thermo energy. Think about it
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  788.  @MarcoNierop  I know it works in low temperature but because it has to work so hard for such a long duration if you live in Canada or Scandinavia I question its long term reliability. How long will the compressor last? I live in Canada and I had an egolf 4 years ago with heat pump. It worked so hard it sounded like a helicopter taking off in the morning. After a few months the noise got so bad I took to dealership they said the compressor fan is off balance. Think about it is a high speed fan that can be knocked off balance if you do a lot of hard driving especially in bad weather and road conditions. Heat pump sounds good in theory but will it hold up in real life and for how long? We will see.
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  789.  @nickmcconnell1291  Unfortunately, it'll be a 20 year wait till that's real.
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  790.  @robertfonovic3551  Here we go, another non-Japanese Japan worshiper because watched too many animes.
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  791. EV innovation in the West is joke compared to China. There is only Tesla one house race here.
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  792.  @larryc1616  no you have bad taste
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  793. I agree.. Tesla is garbage car but only good computer on wheels. Only technology and computer nerds and fanboys love them
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  794.  @edgarvolkov8631  sorry Elon has bigger fish to fry - playing video games and trolling Twitter
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  795. Tank turn lol what a clockbaite
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  796. Clearly the US is trying to provoke China into war
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  797. China endorsing Tesla has got nothing to do with viability of FSD or robotaxi. It's just an attempt to put halo effect on China's EV industry as the world is against China's overcapacity. China wants to show that they are not afraid of competition from the world's best, Tesla.
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  798. Production is still up in the air. They are still made by hand. If they can't scale up and reduce cost it'll be a disaster
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  799.  @GDM22  the main cost is the battery pack. The weight of it all. It will never come close to the original estimate Also the special bullet proof steel they created that can't be cheap. Even if they manage to automate the production the material cost alone would still be allot
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  800.  @michaelkeppler6593  if by technology you mean FSD it's beta. Until it is fully level 4 it's still up in the air many years away. If you mean you can play karaoke and fart noises on Tesla and frequent over the air software update I guess they appeal to certain demographics but by no means core features of car. Tesla depends not only in China market but also supply chain and human resources. Tesla is making use of increasing amounts of not just parts but also local grassroot innovation and talents. CATL battery for example and Chinese designed model 3 highland. I wouldn't be surprised Tesla may move some of their AI R&D to China to adopt local culture and language. BYD has its own blade battery whereas Tesla has to source battery from other manufacturers. Geelys zeekr golden battery also outperforms and Tesla battery at the moment.. Nio also announced a their battery breakthrough. Tesla may have a slight edge in software but Chinese seems to have won the hardware battle for now. Tesla clearly wants to leverage China s hardware prowess and manufacturing efficiency to it's advantages as well as it's enormous market. I can bet you that if China invades Taiwan, all the Western companies will pull out except for Tesla. Elon would rather defect to China than losing China s technologically prowess.
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  801.  @marklee8512  it's very simple. Whoever wins the technological race will dominate. For that China needs to retain and attract talents from all over the world just like the US. Therefore it's important for China to allow freedom of expression because many of intellectuals value this very much besides the money.
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  802.  @marklee8512  the difference is between losing your job and going to prison. While the former is bad, the letter is worse
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  803.  @marklee8512  "Karen's" are definitely an US specific phenomenon, not the result of freedom of speech. There are other countries such as Japan, Korea and some European countries people behave much more civilized way without having an oppressive government.
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  804. Disappointed on flush door handles on Rivian. Being a squarish shaped SUV, making door handles flush does little to improve range, just adds inconvinience on everyday opening the door, and bad for cold weather situations.
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  805. Nobody cares about ice cars in China anymore.. Unlike the backwards West
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  806. There is no use in denying that EV demands are slowing in the US and Europe. The first wave enthusiasts have already bought. Then what..
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  807. ​ @markthomas7279 it is.. The problem is it has already been baked in share price for 3 years and robotaxi and cybertruck. But the disappointment of the latter is what cratering the price now.
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  808. Tesla has no Regen braking that's deal breaker for me
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  809. EVs with government incentives aren't sustainable in long run.. Just look what happened in Germany.
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  810.  @EwanM11  I'm not doubting its speed. I just hate to deal with the giant stuck on tablet, and having to take your eyes off road everything you have to look for something on the touchscreen, with that kind of speed it's just outright dangerous. Don't at me with voice controls, it's even more distracting when you have to focus on talking to the car with precise wording and pronounciation.
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  811. Byd makes it's own battery. Tesla doesn't.
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  812. The locking pin feature of the charging port should be banned. In this cold winter overnight charging last night, I had a struggle to unplug this morning. probably because the low freezing temperature seized the locking pin it didn't unlock until I tried 3 - 5 times.. It's nice to dream about these futuristic technologies, but there are some more low hanging fruits that can be improved.
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  813. Canada should team up with China against the US imperialism.
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  814.  @PyroShields  Buses do not affect GM / Ford / Toyota jobs. passenger cars will. the US government will block any Chinese passenger cars into US market, no matter where they are built.
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  815.  @PyroShields  That's right. US government wants to protect Japanese car companies also because they are US allies to help "contain" China. I suspect both US and Japan will continue to lag behind in EV adoption, compared to China and Europe.
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  816. The process of storing and transporting hydrogen is very expensive and energy in efficient. That's why there are so few hydrogen stations.
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  817.  @TB-up4xi  why? I guess the only advantage of hydrogen over batteries is the speed of refuelling. It matters in remote and military applications where charging infrastructure is very limited and you can ship tanks of hydrogen just like gasoline. In every day normal use in populated areas batteries make more sense.
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  818.  @BlindedByLogic  not really . Elon support for Trump for free speech, not having anything to do with EV policies
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  819. ​ @stephenbrickwood1602 USA relies on foreign imported brilliant minds. And they don't care or love America. They just come for money and don't give a sssss about American culture or value. United what?
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  820.  @slovackoinfo  you are living in the past.
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  821. I don't know. I started not liking Chinese EVs anymore. Too many gimmicks trying hard to attract buyers who only cares about efficiency and tech features.
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  822. Tesla can't come up with new models so it keeps doing variations of existing model instead. One trick pony.
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  823.  @JamesBond-qv2ht  you may cyber truck prototype. They won't produce more then a few hundred of these this year.
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  824. It is true. Just look at their competition. BYD, they pump out model after model and can mass produce them too, not just hyping a model for years then only a few dozen prototypes come out at unsustainable cost.
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  825. Too bad, the Western government will block Chinese EVs for the fears of cyber security concerns.
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  826. He doesn't understand technology and fooled by Elon too
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  827. Koreans can't sell any of their cars in China, so they are dumping their trash in the US market.
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  828. It's amazing SEC hasn't charged musk with defrauding investors with false promises.
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  829.  @CanisoGaming  they are going to announce something similar to waymo. yawn...
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  830. I like Tesla except the flush door handle or no door handles. It makes it harder to use just to gain 2% range. It makes no difference in local traffic only high way speed
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  831. I actually like ioniq 6. I think it's the bes looking car on road today. I was considering model 3 for better value, but the forced one pedal drive was the deal breaker. I felt car sick in model 3 and much more comfortable in ioniq 6.
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  832.  @larryc1616  No, majority of ICE cars face the same problem. But there are some low tech ICE cars such as some Toyota, and Jeeps, barebone pickups. But in EVs, almost all of them are filled with high tech gadgets as if it's a requirement for being an EV, but in theory, no, you can have a low tech EV, but no one is making them.
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  833.  @Paul-vm9sz  I wish they were available in North America. It seems Europe gets more variety.
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  834.  @ab-tf5fl  isn't cyber truck body never going to rust? Also some military vehicles are literally 50+ years old and still in use for training.
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  835. Sadly in America, all EVs are like computer on wheels. Which alienate a big segment of population that wants simpler cars and don't care for software update and autopilot etc. They will sadly stick with ice cars
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  836.  @svr5423  there is a difference between low mileage and low range. Food delivery is low range but in constant use it's high mileage perfect for EVs. Low mileage use of EVs as in low utilisation is definitely wasteful for EVs especially if it carries a large battery pack which will degrade with calendar aging anyway .
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  837.  @Fear.of.the.Dark.  true. Most new ice cars are complicated computer on wheels too. But there still some that are simply built, some Toyotas and base level pickups. But none EVs sold in North America seem to have just the basics. They all try to be computer on wheels as if it were some kind of prerequisite for being an EV. But it's not
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  838. This is because you are not an engineer. Anyone who knows anything about AI / Autonomous driving knows this does not prove anything. Tesla FSD is still a stretch, a flop.
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  839. It has nothing to do with politics. It's just a pretence. FSD is a flop. Robots are hype.. these are the real reasons for the crash
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  840. Japanese can't shake off their tendency to stick to the old technology and try to perfect it even obsolete.
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  841. Can't blame them, especially now that Musk has aligned himself with Hitler...
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  842. My main concern is that given how close the moving parts are to ground or sea level, and occupying great area, they might disrupt wild life
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  843. We meet better fast charging infrastructure. That's the solution for range anxiety
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  844.  @kurtlowder3276  It's a waste of resources and inefficient to carry around so much batter weight. It's much better to have charging stations everywhere, you'll never have to use app to look for one, it's in every street corner, in every parking lot etc. Then even 100 mile range EV is not a problem for many people.
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  845.  @danharold3087  Tesla is already half Chinese. 40% of profit comes from China and model 3 highland is designed in China. More and more development not just production will depend on China and Chinese human resources. Batteries are only just the first step. Eventually the whole supply chain
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  846.  @danharold3087  when I say human resources I don't just mean manual labor, I mean brains. If you listened to the latest interview with lex Friedman, Elon showed much admiration for Chinese people creativeness and energy. I think much of future Tesla designs will be done in China. Model 3 highland already was. Model 2 will probably also. As much as US politicians try to shut China down, the future of EVs depend on China. Mexico will not be a major force other than providing cheap manual labor but they will soon be replaced with automation like you mentioned
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  847. I think Europeans are smarter than Americans. America will be the only one isilated from superior Chinese EVs while the rest of world move onto greener electrification.
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  848. Misinformation goes both ways.. EV proponents never talk about the limitations of EVs.
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  849. Blame Tesla and Elon musk. Instead of making EVs for the masses, they have successfully curved out a niche market for the computer nerds, elitists, and the rich.
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  850.  @GWAForUTBE  I didn't say anything negatively about EVs for just being EVs. If you read my comment carefully I actually like EVs just not the most EVs on the market today they are overcomplicated. They could make them simpler without computer on wheels design philosophy. If a gas car came with computer on wheels designs then I'll hate it even more. And allot of them already are actually. EV by definition has a battery driving electric motors that's it. It doesn't imply anything about removing physical buttons and controls and jam everything into a touch sensitive screen and have regular software updates and pretend to be autonomously self driving AI robots. All of that is add on luxury features that may or not work robustly over time or preferred by everyone
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  851.  @Wongseifu548  that's what Boeing and Airbus did for decades. They received massive subsidies from their respective governments trying to out compete one another. That's capitalism. Your goal is to crush competitors. I say instead of trying to stop China, the US and Europe governments can increase their own subsidies to compete with China. What's the harm in accelerating EV and green tech adoption and reducing prices for consumers? None.
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  852. Seba is full of hopium
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  853. Geely / Zeekr seems to be doing better than BYD
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  854. Li Auto is probably the only Chinese EV makers with original designs. Most others like Xpeng and BYD are Tesla copy cats.
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  855. I don't think it's shade. I agree that Tesla FSD is complete fake. It has killed many people by claiming you don't need intervention.
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  856. PepesiCo probably causes more human health problems than all of carbon emissions do. All those sugary sodas and poison preservatives and artificial chemicals in their chips and snacks contribute to more cancer, diabetes and obesity than carbon emission does to human health.
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  857. The West only points fingers at China human rights violations. They should examine themselves on treatment of natives in North America and Aborigines in Australia
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  858. I commented that treatment of Aborigines and indigenous people in Canada and Australia are examples of human right abuses by the Western democracies and their hypocrisy. It mysteriously disappeared.
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  859. Boring car, one trick pony. FSD is a flop, humanoid robots, scam. cyber truck low production rate. The only success is model 3 - old news, one trick pony.
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  860. Bunch of hopium. The Chinese make far better robots, but still useless in factories. Humanoid robots are just clickbait for investors. Really useful robots in factories don't and shouldn't be in humanoid form.
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  861. Why would you want one company to dominate the industry? Are you a communist?
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  862.  @IMGreg..  apple fanboys, Tesla fanboys. There are certain type of people who are susceptible for cult brainwashing are all for monopoly.. No different then the same type of people worshiping the Great leader of North Korea.
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  863. Crypto adoption was 23% but still crashed
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  864. I think this move by China is to dispel the myth that Chinese cars are cheap and low quality.
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  865. tires wear and damage to roads are the cost of heavier cars.
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  866. It's better to have diverse source of energy. In case sun gets blocked by a huge volcanic eruption or some other reasons.
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  867. So the energy density is still the same as lfp battery? It's just more sturdy packaging to make it fire resistant?
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  868. Toyota stock up 50% in the past year. Tesla stock down 30% in last 6 months.
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  869. ​ @jeffsully4569 Vinfast is garbage compared to Chinese EVs
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  870. Given Koreans history of battery safety ie LG chem, id wait a few years before taking a plunge on this new technology.
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  871.  @TomTomdog  Chevy bolt, Jaguar ipace.. Volvo PHEVs all had spontaneous fires and they were all supplied with LG chem batteries. Tesla may have a very good battery management system that cools battery all the time.
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  872.  @lostandconfused26  what. Tesla and Nio are like oil and water
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  873. Tariffs won't work long term. China builds superior products . They will eventually find their ways to consumers hands one way or another
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  874. Is rust really that bad? These trains and trucks are full of rust, yet they remain in service for decades. Is it just a cosmetic problem?
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  875. Jim Farley is Elon musk v2.
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  876.  @RagnarinVa  all that profit will go to the bottomless money pit of FSD and Optimus robot r&d as Elon musk is delusional to think they will become reality next year
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  877.  @RagnarinVa  the auto business is low margin and cut throat. If you value Tesla s just a car company, it should be worth much less.
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  878. AGI and FSD are like nuclear fusion. Exepet it's not always 20 years away, but always 2 years away according to Elon musk
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  879. Monkeys pick better stocks then average fund managers
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  880. Does it also come with combustable LG chem batteries?
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  881. Why are people against made in China? Have they forgotten who the bad guys were in WW2? At least Germany and VW paid war reparations to victims. Japan has done nothing. They are sorry they lost, they haven't even apologized for Rape of Nanjin or paid any war reparations to China.
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  882. Stigma against Chinese cars means it should be cheaper. Until people realize they are better than European cars.
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  883.  @jasonk203  It could be both good and bad. Good if their R&D pays off in long run. Bad if it doesn't and eats into their profit margin.
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  884.  @davidbeppler3032  because uygur slaves are free labors. Even cheaper then robots.
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  885. I hope Volvo brings back fuel based heater for those living in the cold climate, to extend battery range.
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  886. Jim Farley is more intelligent than Elon Musk. Elon musk has said many things that were blatantly false.
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  887.  @randalsaladbar  I wonder why Andrej Karpathy quit. Maybe the world's best mind in AI realized the limitations of machine learning model and could not deliver what Elon asked of him
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  888. Toyota can talk the talk
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  889. I think Sam is starting to become Tesla fanatic.. Tesla is perfect.. Elon can do no wrong
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  890. Battery don't age based on miles driven, but charging cycles and depth, and calendar age.
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  891.  @nickhummer5775  wise decision indeed .
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  892.  @CorwynGC  Doesn't matter how long the batteries list. As I said the limiting factor for modern cars are electronics. Majority of modern cars are so dependent on computers and finicky electronics that usually don't last more than 7 or 8 years that require expensive repairs. Some old school brands (Toyota, Buick, Chrysler 300 etc, and some pickups) still limits the use computers, or at least on non-critical functions. But in EV space, for some cultural or trendy style reasons, are all computer on wheels centered designs with a single point of failure, and not repairable other than by the manufacture specialized tools and technicians. I would like to see at least one EV brand brave enough to make an "analog" EV with simple physical control interface, and can be repaired easily without needing special computer and software.
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  893.  @CorwynGC  I don't know why you keep coming back to comparing EVs and ICE as an argument against mine. I already said electric drivetrains are more robust than ICE, but I wish some EVs would rid of finicky computers and electronics is the single point of failure in controlling critical functions of vehicle such as selecting drive / reverse / park, HVAC, turn signals, lights. ideally should be physical controls so they would don't get all disabled because your stuck-on tablet goes dark or need reboot in the middle of driving. And if they break, anyone can just replace a burnt out fuse or relay, rather than having to change the entire computer and control module. That big center screen is only necessary for infotainment and navigation, and should be optional for those who need it. I know it will cost more if there was that level of customization, but I think there is a substantial unmet market for simpler analog EVs. But curently, every new EV is somehow expected to be computer on wheels, I think it's almost a myth and misconception that EVs need to be high tech or else they wouldn't work.
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  894. I looked at Mercedes EVs in showroom. The interior looks and feels cheap, hard flimsy plastic everywhere, not as nice as their gas car counterparts. They just don't want to sell a lot of EVs.
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  895. China has won the auto industry war. That's a certainty. Tesla will be be investing more in China if they want to stay relevant.
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  896.  @kknn523  Huawei and xiaomi should invest heavily in semiconductor development and AI technology that's where they will find the edge and overcome the US sanction on chips.. entering an overcrowded EV market is poor ROI. If they develop the next gen 5nm AI chips that rivals Nadia then the world is their oyster.
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  897.  @oceanwave4502  lol very true
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  898. I agree offshore drilling should be banned. There is enough oil on land, there is no need to risk environemtal catatrophe.
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  899. I don't wanna be subjected to this strong em field. People living near transformers have been reported higher incidents of brain tumors. It's no joke. Electrification removes air pollution and adds em radiation pollution. Just don't be lazy, drive less and exercise more by foot or bike.
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  900. Lighter car should handle better going around corners. Both model s plaid and taycan are electric. Gas cars with equivalent power but lighter weight should handle better around corner
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  901.  @whynotstartusingyourbrain8726  And why are you vehemently defending Tesla anyways? If you are tying to convince people EVs are better and better for environment, I'm in full agreement. I love EVs, I still own an EV, just not Tesla. I think Tesla is actually giving EVs a bad name because they associate EVs with needlessly over-engineered high tech gadgets that distract driving, calling something FSD that's not really fully able to drive itself - misleading. Computer - on wheels design that has nothing to do with electric drivetrain that fixed air pollution, but turn a ot of people from EVs in general because they mistakenly think all EVs must have high tech computer on wheels designs which is not true at all. EVs can be great if they are deisnged with no-non-sense gimmicks tech gadgets to break or fail like Tesla is doing.
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  902.  @KP-xi4bj  you are scared
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  903.  @KP-xi4bj  Chinese cars are the safest. Much less fire and exploding incidents than US and European cars. You are just cherry picking.
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  904.  @KP-xi4bj  likewise
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  905.  @KP-xi4bj  Your bias is based on old perception of inferior Chinese quality and not keeping up to date with the latest development. The fires you cited are usually PHEV, or older models of BYD cars that used previous generation of batteries, or are PHEVs. The current generation of BYD blade batteries, and CATL LFP batteries are far safer and infact industry leader, well ahead of Korean and Japanese competition by a mile. Then there is the cutting edge Zeekr Golden battery that will withstand fire up to 1000 degrees without catching fire. Beat that Panasonic or LG? LG to pay up to $1.9 billion to General Motors over Bolt EV battery fires - October 2022, CNBC General Motors recalls 140,000 Chevrolet Bolt EVs over fire risks - December 2022, CNBC Chevy Bolt EV That Missed Battery Recall Spontaneously Combusts On Mass. Driveway - August, 2023, Carscoops EV Jaguar 'spontaneously' catches fire while charging in garage - January 2024, Fox31 Tesla catches fire at charging station - New Orleans WWLTV, March 2024 - Note that Teslas sold in America use Panasonic or LG batteries, not Chinese due to tax incentive qualification rules. BYD Switches to EV Batteries It Says Won’t Ever Catch Fire - BNN Bloomberg, August 2023 The same new fire-resistant materials the battery cell is made out of are claimed to not explode when subjected to extreme heat, which is reassuring, and to prove it Zeekr says when dropped in a fire pit at a temperature of 700C the Golden Battery didn't ignite or detonate for more than 240 seconds - December 2023, EV Central
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  906.  @KP-xi4bj  I posted my proof but our YouTube overlord deleted it
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  907.  @KP-xi4bj  I posted them but AI algorithm deleted them. Just Google Chevrolet bolt EV fires and recalls. And zeekr golden battery fire salety.
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  908.  @KP-xi4bj  jaguar ipace uses the same battery from LG and has recently had several fire incidents. And recalls. The new BYD blade batteries are much safer and several other new Chinese batteries are miles ahead of Korean competition by a mile in terms of fire resistance
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  909.  @KP-xi4bj  I didn't say only American EVs. Read my original post. The US doesn't make any batteries. It's China vs Korea and Japan at this point. US is irrelevant. Even Tesla had 140 fires , some of which are parked while charging, as recently as March 2024 in new Orleans. Anyway you can't deny the new Chinese batteries are much safer than competition.
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  910.  @KP-xi4bj  you are the only one laughing. Everyone else can see the truth. Laughter of denial coming from the original troll.
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  911.  @camronrubin8599  pleasing if you just want to chill but not driver engaging. Tesla has long aimed to remove driver by using FSD that's their ultimate goal. So an attempt to make a driver focused race car isn't compatible with this philosophy.
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  912.  @camronrubin8599  I don't care for race cars. I'm just saying for Tesla to tout this car as race car is oxymoron since it's not even designed to be driver engaging to start with.
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  913. It doesn't matter. The real conclusion is who can innovate the fastest. The West will be begging China in 10 years time when they lags even further behind. Elon musk will defect to China after the election.
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  914. Chinese and even Korean EVs are better than Tesla. There is no reason to buy Tesla with or without opnion on Musk.
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  915.  @SteveLomas-k6k  timing belt is easier and cheaper to repair than BMS or other electronic modules in a typical EV.. We are talking hundreds dollars vs tens of thousands many battery packs are sealed. If just one component breaks in it, the whole thing needs to be replaced.
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  916.  @SteveLomas-k6k  old school cars. Even ice cars nowadays have so much computers in it that makes it planned obsolescence.
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  917. I wonder if they fixed the charging port over heating problems
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  918. He failed at FSD so he left
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  919. Are you sure it wasn't mguy?
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  920.  @jimpackard8059  can you charge at home? I'd go with phev if you need long range travel but not often
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  921.  @avdp9095  it needs more buffer than Tesla and Chinese EVs due to inferior batteries. Thus. Less efficient.. If you can't understand that it's on your IQ deficiency. I'm not talking nonsense
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  922.  @windsolarupnorth7084  yes yes. Kodak had 100 years of experience in photography also. What's your point? Japan has been uncompetitive and non innovative for decades . All their experience mean nothing without spirit of innovation. Toyota is clearly trying to delay the EV adoption because they just can't keep up with Tesla and Chinese manufacturers.
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  923.  @themonsterunderyourbed9408  that's none sense. Weight is a major factor in efficiency. It's basic physics. Google it
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  924. Tesla attracts aggressive drivers
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  925. Nuclear fusion will be a game changer
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  926. Elon was pretty negative about Cybertruck production in 2024 in last nights Tesla earnings call.
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  927. It is. Chinese NIO has been doing it for years. It's time for Tesla to admit defeat and copy from the Chinese.
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  928.  @leiflillandt1488  you forget emergency situations. Imagine you just came home from work with near empty battery and was about to plug in. All of sudden you receive an emergency call maybe an important business deal or a medical emergency for a relative in the next town. Sure you can call Uber or taxi but unless you are in a big city, it's still going to take 10+minutes to get to you. They don't happen happen often but life's important moments are often not predictable.
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  929. US government will severe Tesla / CATL ties due to national security concerns.
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  930. American protectionism will lead to self destruction.
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  931. Too expensive for a trash brand
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  932.  @blackhawkteslatech  don't extrapolate EV to self driving. Completely orthogonal problems. AI is a lot farther. My guestimate is at least 20 years away
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  933.  @iandavies4853  you are an example of environmental extremist. Bev is 5% more efficient than phev. Therefore phev are evil and those who would have cut 95% emissions now have no choice but to stick with gas cars. No Bev is not the only answer. Phevs have their use cases especially in cold weather and should be encouraged as much as bevs.
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  934.  @teardowndan5364  You are right. If you are already having a need to use fuel to extend the range, might as well use the waste heat to make cabin comfortable in winter. But it does incur some more complexity and carrying an engine / generator is heavier than a simple fuel heater. I guess there is a use case for both designs. However the current state of EV industry don't even want to consider adding anything combustable with emission to EVs. Most designers are located in comfortable California where they rarely see any snow. Very sad. Who knows how long until the reality catches up and people realize pure BEVs aren't suitable for Northern climate.
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  935.  @troyfall6573  range is important in EVs because of recharge time. Sure if you are on a leisurely road trip you can afford to take lunch break while recharging but there are times you are in an urgent need to get where you need to go. For instance I was on my way back home from my parents house 200 km away . Half way into my trip I get a call my daughter has gotten very sick I needed to turn around right away. I was driving an EV with a range of 200 km and in winter time it's more like 120 km . I had to find a charger and wait for charging while on the phone worried sick about my daughter. After this experience I ditched EV for phev. No matter how big the EV range is there is always a scenario you'll need recharge as the worst possible moment and you simply cannot afford to wait 20 min up half hour and time to find and get to the charging station. I wasted about an hour and half just to find a charging station out of my route it turned out to be broken one then find another even further and struggled with payments and waited half hour to charge up in order to get back to my daughter.
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  936. Safety is the main concern it doesn't catch on fire
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  937. Embarassment for Japan. Their workers seem to work a lot, but too inefficient to be competitive with Chinese.
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  938. Has Americans ever thought about consuming less to reduce environmental damage? All these new green tech is also consuming lots of resources and can only slow down so much if all the government is pushing for more and more gdp growth
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  939. Rich construction workers toy..I doubt they will be used for work. Mostly by those who already pollute alot with big houses, sports cars, vacations etc.
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  940. I guess hard times in China breeds strong men
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  941.  @jiminauburn5073  same conviction rate in Japan. Oh wasn't Japan an US ally and share the same values? Hmmm. Maybe high conviction rate is an indication of highly efficient police and protection. Is the US court system perfect? Can you be sure judges aren't politically biased? If they try a Chinese national, can there not be any political motivation to make a circus of it? If the US decided to go enemy with a certain country it should suffer the consequences of non extradition. You can argue whose court system is better and fair it's moot point.
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  942.  @jiminauburn5073  but they have extradition treaty with the US. If an American commit a crime in Japan and comes back to the US he will be extradited to Japan for trial. The point is that extradition treaty is not based on fairness of courts in particular country but more based on politics and relationships between two governments.
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  943.  @Rihardololz  under some felony as excuse of course. Usually a setup or frame. How do you know this accident is not framed by CIA and the US government wanted to arrest this Chinese woman for political reasons? She seems rich and important maybe have some powerful connections to big Chinese business or government officials. Maybe she knows something trade secrets etc. my point is that given the tension between the US and China, you cannot rule anything out, therefore her allegedly crime is not beyond reasonable doubt and China has legit reasons not to send her back the US custody.
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  944. Looks like a toy. Wouldn't pay more than 10k for this junk
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  945.  @davidg426  are you referring to VW or Tesla?
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  946. How much more utilities companies will charge for the spare capacity?
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  947.  @yodaiam1000  peak demand such as influx of cars due to a concert or sporting event, or snow storm doesn't happen often and the spare capacity will sit idle unused but still need to be built and maintained
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  948. Let the monopoly prosper.. Soon we'll live in the utopia of only two companies in the world. Apple and Tesla. And we give them all our money and worship them like Gods.
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  949.  @patriciazoerner  we will never own a Tesla again but will likes EVs
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  950.  @bucfan11  yes. Too many to mention
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  951. ​ @danielb7253 EVs will improve the environment. Your Western polluting cars are the real poo products.
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  952. There is no free lunch. It will accelerate battery degradation. What you earn will be offset with depreciation.
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  953. If i could bet against these scam companies I'd be rich by now
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  954. Just imagine how expensive it is to repair it if you get a minor damage. That's the problem with all electric cars, especially with the current trend of jamming as much as gimmicky electronics and computers as possible into these things.
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  955. Does BYD still have spontaneous fire issues? I keep hearing it, not sure if they are fake news or real problem?
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  956.  @adr2t  as long as you drive just a little bit once a month, oil and lube won't seize up. My lawnmower is still running strong for 30 years. I doubt any battery will last that long.
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  957.  @adr2t  I don't mind the hassle of charging the EVs. I don't like the fact that we don't know how long the current battery technology how many years can these batteries hold charges? It seems to depend on calendar againg rather than mileages unlike ice cars engines age dependent on mileage
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  958.  @justinr9753  backwards in technology adoption in general. They still use cash and CDs and flip phones, fax machines.
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  959. Tesla will probably use China and it's talents for R&D . I wouldn't be surprised Tesla China makes robots first before the Tesla US
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  960. I don't doubt they have a real gigapress, but it takes 3 years to start production because it's not just gigaprress that makes EVs, they are lagging behind in many other components productions. Batteries, electronics etc.
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  961.  @chrisheath2637  the physics is simple. The heavier the vehicle the larger battery pack it needs which in turn increase it's weight. Not the same with fossil fuel vehicles, it doesn't have to increase gas tank nearly as much as battery weight in order to achieve the same range or load increase. That said emissions is still emission. Just comparing small ice car to big ice car, small ice car pollutes more. Got EVs definitely big heavier EVs pollutes more in terms of resources extractions required.
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  962. At least in Japan, there is a silverlining of tourism making up for downturn in auto industry. Germany is unlikely to compete with Italy and France for tourists. I don't see how they are going to get out of this rout.
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  963. The US factories will never be a productive as China. There is no hard working spirit in America that exists in China. Good luck trying to dream of robots it's fools errands.. Tesla is literally burning money on AI, FSD and robots projects that will never come to fruition. China will overtake the US and the only way for Tesla to thrive is to focus on expanding more in China both in production and design.
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  964.  @linusa2996  Of course, well built, and well maintained ICE will last forever, as it's simply made of metals of mechanical parts. Batteries contain chemical liquid that will degrade with calendar aging, no amount of maintenance will prolong its designed lifespan.
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  965. Shouldn't the car auto brake when about to collide with a person or a car?
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  966. Soon, China will be cleaner than America. Some large downtown areas of American cities are already more poluted than China.
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  967.  @josephswenson129  Good for your spirit, but government policies definitely matters. Without governemnt incentives, Tesla would been bankrupt during Obama era, and overall EV adoption would be less than half of what it is now with tax credit and State incentives etc.
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  968.  @keithgilbert835  The big 3 going bankrupt doesn't elliminate ICE. There is Toyota and others.
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  969.  @PyroShields  my point exactly
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  970. Only westerners reminisce the nose and vibration and gear shifts of an ice cars. Chinese think that's all rubbish. Quiet drive is now pleasant and stress free.
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  971.  @atw9913  I also wish Tesla made flush door handlers optimal for us Canadians who don't want to deal with frozen door handles on frequent basis in the winter
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  972.  @garrymajor7528  good idea
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  973. ​ @james_l4337 no more dangerous than a backup generator and a can of gasoline
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  974. I traded my Tesla for another EV brand. Can't deal with flush door handles and stuck on tablet on center console
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  975.  @troyfall6573  you are comparing all the cheap brands phevs like Mitsubishi and Fords alike with premium brand Tesla. That figure is not that conclusive at all.
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  976.  @deepseer  not sure how many bought phevs as a transition to Bev or had Bev first then phev next. I'm in the latter category. I found Bev inadequate in winter weather here in Canada and I'm very cold averse. Some people find 18C comfortable, I need 25-26 to not feel the chills. So maybe that's why I'm consuming disproportionate amount of energy for cabin heating in winter.
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  977.  @lesnypatrol7292  That will greatly increaase the cost of charging stations and that cost passed on to consumers, negates one of the chief advantage of EVs which is cheaper charging cost compared to filling up gasoline. If charging costs similar or more to refuelling, then what do you think will do to EV demand?
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  978.  @lesnypatrol7292  I don't, but hopefully, it'll be cheap, so we can all benefit. I am an EV owner as well. Just trying to point out things EV evangelists aren't willing to admit or discuss. Aiming for average use case is no longer good enough. How does EV compare to ICE when it comes to the crunch time? That's th angle we will have to face eventually in order for wider adoption.
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  979. Did you know that Ukraine is not letting any fighting age men leaving their country? And forcing men to join military and fight against their will? The US is funding this meat grinder.
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  980. Battery is not just used for travel range. It's also used for heating and cooling. This small battery is not going to last very long if cold or hot weather. All this fixation on range is making EV designers neglect many other practical things.
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  981. Blocking imports with tarrifs is different than sibsidising. If the US was confident about competing with China why not subsidize their auto industry more like China? They know they can't no matter how much money they throw at GM Ford. Greedy unions will just swallow them up without increased productivity.
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  982. Bill Gates backed Aquarion already tried it and failed. The problem with salt water batteries are its discharge / charge rate is too slow.
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  983. This is music to Chinese automakers ears. Western car makers will make expensive low quality cars while Chinese will make cheap high quality cars. Guess with whom the global South would rather do business with?
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  984.  @harmony3138  not just phone. My LG microwave broke after 2 years. My Panasonic one lasted 20
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  985.  user-uk8tl3xy9e  not just phones, my LG fridge light bulbs burn out all the time. Never had any problems with inglis or even ge brand. Same with washers. All Korean products seem to break down sooner than others in my life experience.
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  986. Fast charging station should be as ubiquitous as gas stations today. Home charging is not a sufficient argument for less charging stations. There are emergencies you need fast charging in order to meet time constraints.
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  987.  @greghudson9717  I'm from Canada. Heating is far more important than cooling. AC is nice to have for a few days of summer, but if you don't have adequate heating in winter it's outright misearable or even life threatening. Currently, having an EV means sometimes you have to choose between range and have enough heat to stay comfortable.
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  988.  @sergiomomesso1590  It depends how cold outside is. Heat pump loses efficiency below - 5, and consumption of electricity for heating becomes real drain as it gets colder outside, and becomes a serious concern of getting stranded if you don't have enough juice to drive to a charging station. A 1lb bottle of propane will last 5 - 6 hours of heating, no matter how cold outside is, it produces the same amount of heat from burning fire. That's way more robust than heat pump trying to extract heat from the environment when it's too cold outside. You said 22 C setting, but I doubt it will ever achieve it if it's too cold outside. Whereas, heat from buring fire can easily make you feel cozy warm, no matter how cold outside is, there is simply no comparison with lukewarm heat pump. Energy density of any fuel - propane, alcohol, kerosine, are about 20x that of average EV battery. Again, no comparison. And there is no waste in energy when burning fuel for heat, unlike trying to get motion out of it, it's only 30% efficient. Extracting heat from fuel is 100% efficient, no waste.
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  989.  @sergiomomesso1590  So you are saying that you kept your car interior at 22C when it's -15C outside All night (I assume 8 hours at least), with only 5% of 74kwh, which 3.7 kwh of electricity? Sounds like science fiction to me... Maybe outside temperature was +5C and you keep interior at 22C then I believe you.
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  990. I think he was lucky to be right previously. He won't be lucky twice
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  991.  @turningpoint4238  I agree with most of his predictions except for autonomous cars. They are decades away
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  992.  @dougdiamond5774  sooner if you live in cold weather and park the car outside
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  993. Ford is right not to waste money on FSD if it's not at their core competency. Look how much was wasted by GM's Cruise, Uber, Lyft, Google Waymo, Chinese Baidu, Nio, Tesla, all are racing towards FSD. None succeeded yet. The true AGI is still open for anyone to grab. It will take a whole new architecture that is drastically different from the current brute force machine learning to achieve it IMHO. It shouldn't take so much compute power and energy to train an algorithm a simple tasks. It shouldn't take miliions and billions of data points, it should take one a few dozen or hundreds of examples like training a human or monkey. Until then it might all just be fool's errand reaching for the impossible.
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  994. Off-road capabilities are not as good as rivian
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  995. I can only imagine when Trump closes this loophole and end the honeymoon with Musk.
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  996.  @Dave-cf4vd  I'm an investor not a worker. Especially not going into an overcrowded field with so many competitors, margins will get squeezed as time goes no. Not interested in short lifespan business, and low profitability.
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  997.  @oggyoggy1299  I already took profit from 2017 to 2021 bull run. That was 20x gain. At this point, the risk / reward is not good. Since then I rotated into bitcoin, much safer bet from here on. Furthermore i work in the AI industry, I know for fact that AGI / FSD is not even close being realized, anyone claims so (including Elon Musk) are shilling vaporware. Bitcoin is already a mature technology and just waiting for mass adoption, it's a sure thing, no if's or but's.
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  998. By the time you jump in the EV incentives will be gone and charging cost will be more than gas
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  999.  @metricstormtrooper  Can't take solar panels with you when you go long distance road trip.
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  1000.  @juliahello6673  Never. It's just like new electronic watches becomes outdated every 10 years, the classic mechnical Rolex watches, even though not as accurate as eletronic watches, still retain much of its value due to it being purely mecahnical.
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  1001. Gas price is much higher in Canada thanks to punitive carbon tax
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  1002.  @tonespeaks  it is punitive to many who rely on gas and heating oil and living in remote locations with no EV charging infrastructure.
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  1003.  @tonespeaks  The poor can't afford EVs. Buying used EVs is a huge gamble. Anything goes wrong, the repair bills and wait time makes not feasible for those relying on own vehicles for work. Why are all the delivery vehicles still burning fossil fuel, and they are the worst kind, making many stops. In China, all delivery vehicles are electric because they are cheap. Why are we not allowing cheap Chinese EVs? Removing tarrifs and stop following the US is the best way to further adoption, not punitive carbon tax. Allowing people to afford cheap reliable EVs is a lot better.
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  1004. Americans don't. They prefer their rolling coal pickup trucks
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  1005. China doesn't have to worry about this. The West has grown too soft, it will never be able to keep up with China's pace of innovation.
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  1006. Coal really needs to go away in America where there are such abundance of natural gas.
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  1007.  @virtual-viking  I don't know if older EVs service and repair cost less than ice vehicles. For one, the availability of qualified EV technicians are scarce, as well the over reliance on proprietary computer software most of modern EVs mean they require dealer or original manufacturer specialists to repair it that usually at least double the rate of independent mechanics. Also repairing individual damaged cells or modules are rare, not even most dealers are willing or able to do it, but require entire battery pack replacement which usually exceeds the value of older EVs. Unless it's a collectable like roadster.
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  1008.  @virtual-viking  Yes, e-Golf was still based on ICE golf platform, so most of construction and parts are shared, easy to service. However, take a look at the new VW ID series, they are pretty much iPad on wheels design copied from Tesla. servicing those on your own or at a non-dealer shops will be much more challenging.
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  1009.  @marklihsu  No it's not just calendar age, charging cycles matter too. Fast charging too often, or keep near maximum charge for too long, and charging in hot weather all degrades battery faster. but the calendar aging is unavoidable. You can prolong the battery with proper charging and care, but calendar aging will still occur no matter what. The liquid chemistry inside battery cells degrades with time, nothing you can do about it.
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  1010. The West mainstream media doesn't pretend it's not happening. They are actually celebrating the "decoupling" from China. The narrative is Western companies are exiting China as a de-risk strategy.
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  1011. The American fast food industry kills more people than Russia in Ukraine. They do much more harm than so called overcapacity of Chinese EV industry which is actually helping to save the environment
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  1012. Tesla moves faster than legacy OEMs but slower than Chinese EV companies.
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  1013.  @Javafixtime  more like the land of wokeism and entitlement. Majority of innovators in America are immigrants, at least half are Chinese or Indian descendants.
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  1014. Unless you don't value your life...
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  1015. Too bad China has superior technology politicians aren't happy about the Chinese invasion, try level up America's innovation
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  1016. Tesla has good motors
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  1017. Of course not. Otherwise stock price would have gone up by now
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  1018. How much import tariffs does Japan put on foreign cars
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  1019. As for handling, the increased weight in EVs makes them cornering feel heavy. There is no way around it until battery chemistry improves significantly
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  1020. Hyundai down is a surprise. Maybe the ICCU issues?
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  1021. How is France able to make nuclear work while other European countries can't??
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  1022.  @realestatenow  65% of France electric generation comes from nuclear. 15% from hydro. Both are zero carbon and on demand unlike wind and solar. What other European countries have as high percentage of nuclear as France?
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  1023. The problem with EV culture is that they all look the same. Flush door handles, stuck on tablet on center console, claims to be autonomous drive etc. None of which are necessary for electric drivetrain. I for one would welcome a traditional design EV with the latest battery pack, good performance but none of the Tesla gimmick mentioned above.
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  1024. Imagine the noise it makes at night while you sleep
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  1025. Survival of the fittest . True capitalism in China
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  1026. That's not going to happen. There is a huge cult following of Toyota especially in North America, where they have a religious belief and worship of Japanese worksmanship and Toyota "quality" and "reliability", and China is cheap and inferior.
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  1027. It doesn't matter. Toyota will continue to thrive in ICE markets. The Western government will resort to protectionism banning Chinese EVs and batteries to keep legacy auto's ICE alive. Especially if China makes a move on Taiwan, all EV industry is dead.
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  1028. Look what Chinese can accomplish with just $1.4B Americans only knows how to print money, not work
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  1029. Elon musk is too busy with Twitter. He is far different from the Elon in the days of sleeping in factory during model 3 rampup
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  1030. Sadly, whenever Chinese EV is mentioned, most of American conjure up images of cheap Chinese EVs spontaneously go up in flames. They still question about its safety, crash worthiness etc. Most of Americans will still buy big clunky trucks instead of modern cars.
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  1031. Elon is going brute force on self driving. A sign of insanity. Keep repeating the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
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  1032. It seems dumb to use lithium batteries for grid storage though. Flow and gravity batteries are easy enough.
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  1033. China is not afraid of competition.. They will learn from Tesla and improve upon it.
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  1034. It also takes lives.
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  1035.  @myphonyaccount  The difference is those human drivers that cause deadly accidents are vast majority intoxicated, neglegent or outright suicidal. But FSD failures, bugs., it is possible for responsible, well intentioned drivers to get into deadly accidents too.
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  1036. Aren't there enough gas stations already
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  1037. Nuclear fusion is always 10 years away from the last 70 years
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  1038. Its all in the semantics. They are not saying EV sales are going down. They are saying the rate of growth is slowing down. That's two different things.
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  1039. Having lived in Japan for 4 years, I know for fact that majority of Japanese are brain lazy. They just like to stick with what they know, and resist to change, and prefer to stay within their comfort bubbles, going through day after days of mind numbing jobs and routines they feel happy that way. Any changes to their routines are viewed as a unwelcome disturbance.
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  1040. All these unimportant software updates to distract the failures of FSD
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  1041. Wow it's a US company. Must be real, not like one of those fake Chinese knockoffs (sarcasm)
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  1042. Oh wow i thought Tesla was the best in EV and battery production. Why would it need to ask help from copy cats Chinese?
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  1043. Sell Dodge and Jeep to China! Trojan horse into American market!
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  1044. ​ @rickybosephus2036 I thought you don't want immigrants. Without them, the US population will decline
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  1045. The US media is owned by the government. They don't want EV industry to replace ice as it will benefit China more than the US auto industry and big oil
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  1046. Nissan will bounce back. Japanese always does but only after hitting the rock bottom
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  1047. You are wrong. There are certain things you can't achieve no matter how much money you throw at it.. immortality for instance.. AI could be another one that's nearly impossible to solve.. nuclear fusion, cure for cancer.. Can't we all dream but they are hard problems even Elon can't solve them in short time
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  1048. I like Buick.. Their cars are reliable than the most.
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  1049. Where is AGI FSD? Who is developing them? AGI doesn't mean requiring massive compute and big data that currently Tesla is wasting money on. It's a dead end. If there were to be an AGI FSD in 5 - 10 years, we should have seen at least some publications on scientific journals by now.
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  1050.  @ISuperTed  I agree. 20 years is more realistic even on a optimistic side. Could be even longer
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  1051.  @Nordlicht05  true. Whoever gets hold of AGI first will likely dominate the world. I wouldn't be surprised if China gets it first. They are limited by semiconductor ban right now but the whole country and CCP government are supporting it, compared to the US government is not taking it seriously at all. The front runner Open AI is a small company by comparison and few people working in it. China recently developed an AI chip 3000x faster than Nvidia a100 and uses analog and light instead of electrons. It's a game changer if they could scale it up. Tesla by comparison is relatively old school approach but Tesla has the most data. But like I said all that data is useless without the correct architecture I doubt Tesla has it otherwise they would have achieved FSD level 5 by now.
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  1052.  @chekim2  I think American car / truck culture is much more deeply entrenched than camera / film enthusiasts. Everybody everyday depends on cars. They grow up around cars. Kids start dreaming about their future aspirational V8 "trucks" since they were 5 years old. People just don't have the same level of interests in EVs as rumbling V8s, or loud Harleys. It's going to take a whole generation to switch over to EVs, but by then China would have monopolized the whole EV sector.
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  1053. Pure EVs aren't realistic unless you have TEsla like supercharing network. PHEV is a practical way to transition into EVs
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  1054.  @Marcus-up5wk  VW seems to disagree. They fired their German software division to acquire a Chinese one.
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  1055. Tesla just can't catch a break. Elon is q serious egomaniac
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  1056. Being able to handle peak demand is still a challenge. Since DC fast charging still takes 3 - 4 times longer than filling up gas, it will need 3 - 4 times more charging stalls as gas pumps to be able to handle the same amount of traffic throughput during the peak travel seasons, or high crowd events. And the grid also need high enough capacity to handle sudden rise in demand. Just because it's no problem in average times doesn't mean it will be as robust as peak demand. Think critically. Gas stations can stock up in preperation to a peak demand event such as conert or sports, or solar eclipse, but most EV charging stations don't have its own battery storage, but rely on grid capacity. Will the grid be able to handle sudden spike of 5x 10x of demand?
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  1057.  @chris27gea58  don't forget that grid needs upgrade to handle peak demand spikes. Not just average usage.
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  1058.  @Ryan-ff2db  you need to learn how to read. I'm not talking about average daily usage. But robustness to handle peak demand events
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  1059.  @Ryan-ff2db  Gosh, how can I get through your dense skull? I'm not debating on daily average usage scenario. I agree that charging at home off peak etc. works for every day. But I'm speaking of peak demand events such as concerts and sports. When Taylor Swift comes to town, all of the sudden, there are 5x more cars need charging. We haven't seen this problem yet, because 95% of cars are petro still, but when EVs account majority of cars, how will grid handle sudden surge of power demand? even if you have enough charging stalls for everybody, the grid need to reserve excess capacity just to meet this sudden surge in demand or everyone will be waiting in queues for hours if not days to charge up their cars.
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  1060.  @Ryan-ff2db  yes I agree the grid capacity will grow with EV adoption but it'll be more expensive because the current grid is designed for more or less constant demand with minor daily and seasonal fluctuation. But when EV charging takes larger percentage its fluctuations during peak congestion events will fluctuate much more. For the grid to reserve much capacity that would otherwise sit idle would be still require upfront capital investment and ongoing maintenance that will raise the cost of electricity. If you want the EV charging to be as reliable and robust as gassing up the car.
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  1061.  @Ryan-ff2db  again you are talking about daily fluctuations. Work - sleep, work - sleep, predictable peak / off peak etc. This does not apply for one off events like concerts or sports events or peak summer travel season. A lot of people with EVs arrive from out of town to attend some event / concert / conference. They all NEED to charge at that time or they cannot go home. It's not like they can wait till off peak time in the middle of the night to charge. They probably all require DC fast charging on that day before they can drive home. With gas stations, you can simply stock up more fuel in anticipation of such event. With DC fast charging, you need massive battery storage locally, that's going to add cost also, or have extra grid capacity which is probably even more expensive. And you need 3 - 4 times the number of charging stalls as gas pumps because it takes that much longer for DC charging vs filling up liquid fuel. All in all, electricity is efficient and cost effective for predicatble regular daily activities - work, go home, charge while sleep etc. But it's less robust for one-off events like concert, sports games, peak summer / Christmas travel seasons. Or if you want to achieve the same robustness as liquid fueled vehicles, you will need to invest in a lot of excess grid or battery capacity for redundancy that will add to the average electricity rate.
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  1062. ​ @Ryan-ff2db  Not everybody, but even a certain percentage of people coming from further distance or have shorter range EVs need charging, say even 20% travellers of a large event could be a significant addition to demand, That percentage would go up in winter times. I'm an engineer too actually. I'm not saying that grid can't ever be upgraded to handle 90%+ EV adoption. It can, but what we learn in engineering is there is always a trade off. In this case, it's the cost. For sure, the cost of electricity will go up if we want the same level of convinience and reliability for charging EVs as fueling up gas cars. Unless the cost of battery storage drops significantly, then we can just store electricity locally at every charging station with just small amount of additional cost. But if all parameters stays the same , only EV number go up, then we are looking at higher electricity rate.
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  1063.  @fractalelf7760  things like AI and crypto mining can be shut off during emergency demand times such as winter storm and high traffic events.
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  1064. It shows how disconnected legacy autos are from the reality. They are in their own cultural bubbles
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  1065. Sounds like you should buy a bolt EV.
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  1066.  @turningpoint4238  maybe in 20 years
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  1067.  @zurinarctus1329  I really doubt Japan will ever repeat Weimar Republic. It was different time, different place. But they could kist slowly fade into 2nd world as there is no innovation in Japan, and get stuck in 20th century technology.
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  1068.  @tz7710  they will have to sell it eventually to pay back the debt if Japan continues the current trajectory.
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  1069. I'm sure they will introduce the Planned obsolescence just to keep the companies profitable.. Also most of EV makers including Tesla completely ignores the right to repair.
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  1070. So instead of playing fair game of competition, Elon takes advantage of his political allies to stifle competition and limit consumer choices. And that's a good thing to praise about?
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  1071.  @roberthoward9500  that's my belief also . Even if China doesn't invade Taiwan. The US will still try to contain China the more China excels in technology areas such as EV and semiconductor. The US doesn't want to be surpassed technologically and will do all its power to stop China.
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  1072.  @tz7710  the sad part of the West will end up with inferior LG and Panasonic batteries compared to much higher quality Chinese batteries.
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  1073. Because Japan is anti EV. They kicked out the foreign CEO Carlos ghosn who pushed for making EVs
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  1074. All Nissans are garbage cars
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  1075.  @devonbikefilms  same can be said about Toyota. It's all in the fine print... Etc.
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  1076.  @KP-xi4bj  funny favbois always turn this into about Tesla not facing the facts
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  1077.  @KP-xi4bj  I don't hate Tesla in particular. Just not a fan of flush door handles, whether it's on a Tesla or range Rover, doesn't matter I hate them equally. You are way too sensitive. No one is allowed to criticize anything about Tesla. Teslas is perfect and flawless? . I did own a Tesla for 3 years and didn't like flush door handles.
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  1078.  @KP-xi4bj  in freezing rain, with regular door handles you can just yank it if you are in a hurry. You can't do it with flush door handles.
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  1079.  @KP-xi4bj  Yes I was. I know of other Tesla owners complain about the same. Not just Tesla, VW ID4, Ioniq 5, any cars with flush door handles are less robust in freezing rain than traditional door handles.
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  1080.  @KP-xi4bj  There is nothing wrong liking flush door handles either. if you proriotize efficiency / asthetics over robustness. Each to his own. I'm just suggesting more choices for people with different preferences, for robustness and convinience of use.
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  1081.  @KP-xi4bj  no more than half the cars on road are Toyota. Doesn't mean they are the best.
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  1082.  @KP-xi4bj  I'm not denying Tesla are good cars but the flush door handles are deal breaker for me. Others might not care or even like it. Clearly if you park in a garage or live in a warm area it doesn't matter at all. I'd much rather trade 1% improvement in aerodynamic for convenience and robustness.
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  1083. Mercedes EVs use the cheapest Chinese batteries.
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  1084.  @colinsuter6888  I get 2.8 cents / kwh overnight rate in Ontario Canada.
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  1085. I think pesticides causes even more cancer but they are not even talking about reducing them. India a much poorer country has less cancer rate than the US because they use much less pesticides than the US because their farmers can't afford so much of it
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  1086. Japan and Germany two of the worlds worst war come countries during ww2 continues to commit environmental atrocities.
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  1087. Wow what an insight lol
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  1088.  @NLPexperts  flywheels can't store energy for more than half a day. Batteries can keep longer
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  1089. No. Japanese and Korean are allies. China is adversary
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  1090.  @document6  I fail to see how NACS standard change grid capacity. Throughput during the peak usage such as holiday travels (thanks givings and Christmas) and large gathering events sports and concerts will be horrible. Sure you can expand the charging infrastructure to accomodate the peak usage, but that will be expensive and innefficient. Aiming for max efficiency will cause long queues and delays during peak usage.
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  1091.  @jcfallows  Get real man, Horses to automobiles are much bigger leap than ICE to EVs. The main advantage of EVs over ICE is zero emissions, and requires massive government incentives and push. If the cost of charging is high and less convinient than filling up fossil fuel, it's going to be challenge in the long run. Also with trade tension with China, all the cheap solar panels and batteries might be banned in the near future. Locally manufactured green tech will be so much more expensive limit the grid capacity expansion.
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  1092.  @Tom-dt4ic  not as dramatic in terms of function but in environmental impact.
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  1093. Lol. You don't like them because they are Chinese? That's all the reason some people need
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  1094. If they get rid of the stuck on tablet and put an integrated screen in I'll buy one
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  1095.  @markjonz  not true at all. Look at Audi A3 , VW Jetta, Buick envision etc. they are all within easy reach and looks nice
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  1096.  @vanessali1365  to the ever expanding Chinese empire. Pretty much the entire global south is dependent on China for economy and technology
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  1097.  @DancingTWsFrogs  they can change the rules because they have the strongest military. Nothing is more hypocritical than the US forcing the "freedom" on the world at gunpoint
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  1098.  @Ghosy01  For the next 2 - 5 years, they will still have enough cashflow from legacy ICE business I think. But they will fail to transition into EVs, thus the reason to acquire near bankrupt Chinese EV companies with technology and expertise GM needs to transition into EV. Nio will be re-branded under GM and sold into the US as American brand. Just me dreaming this up of course.
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  1099.  @esaw7067  I don't see it happening . Tesla was against battery swapping in favor of fast charging. As well they take completely different approach to self driving. Unless Tesla admits Nio was right and they were wrong, I don't see what Tesla has to gain from buying Nio.
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  1100. This is pretty racist. it's like saying because Eron faked the world's largest accounting fraud in history of financial industry, therefore all Americans are cheaters.
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  1101. Not possible to have charging infrastructure in the remote battlefields. It's easier to ship in fuel than construction of renewable power generation with the moving battle Field
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  1102.  @paulstubbs7678  not really. Diesel fuel doesn't explode. Bombs and munitions are far more dangerous but still needed in battles.
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  1103.  @bhabbott  sure..defund military and let China and Russia take over
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  1104.  @bhabbott  sure defund it and let Russia take over
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  1105. Canada and the US politicians have been blocking oil companies from expanding, so they have to go exploit the Global South where it's much worse for the environment.
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  1106.  @michaelsmithers4900  more rolling resistant because they weight more, not softer.
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  1107.  @martinekstrom6303  I did. but my independent research shows airless tires weight 20% than average pnuematic tires.
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  1108.  @charleslefeuvre5267  You are stating the past data - 2023. We are talking about future projection.
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  1109. Can you think of anything Canada exports to Australia? These two countries primarily are resource based and the other big portion of the pie is real estate. Neither country makes much consumer goods
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  1110.  @1voluntaryist  the US hypocrisy runs deeper as they constantly trying to order what other countries around even though they are supposed to respect the freedom and choices of people.
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  1111. Stuck on tablet copy cat Tesla design ruins the interior
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  1112. This story is very suspicious that police didn't detain her at hospital or order blood alcohol test while she was there. It almost seems CIA setup trying to frame her for the accident. But mis coordinated with the local police somehow.
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  1113.  @PropanePete  Yes, I agree older cars are built to last, it's by design. All new cars are built with planned obsollece by design, especially European and American cars. Chinese ones will probably out last European or American cars built currently for sure. For you to single out Chinese cars being disposable is simply racial bias buddy.
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  1114.  @PropanePete  You are comparing old cars to new cars. Not a fair comparison. Like I said, all new cars built after 2000 are planned obscelence, especially Eurpean cars are pure money pit. I think Chinese EVs, not ICE cars will outlast Western EVs because their battery tech is way ahead of any Western EVs. For new ICE cars, their service life is dependent on eletronic control modules now, doesn't matter how well maintained the engine is. BTW, I fail to see what relevance Mao Zedong has anything to do with modern Chinese EVs lol
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  1115.  @PropanePete  actually EVs require far less electronics than gas cars. Teslas are bad examples because they try to put too many smart features in them. But EV drivetrain are much simpler can be made analog completely, ice cars have many separate control modules.. Anyone can make reliable long lasting cars. If we could make them 30 years ago, certainly we can do it now, no matter what country of origin. Modern cars are by design made to break after 7-8 10 years max. I think Chinese being the new entrance to the game want to set a good impression they sure will not want to make cars break too easy.
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  1116. ​ @PropanePete  As for your 2006 VW, you are but just one data point. I don't see many 10 year old VW on road or command any high resale value at least here in Canada. Maybe it's different in Europe where repair maintenaince cost is lower. But in Canada / maybe US as well, all European cars have very high repair costs compared to domestic / Japanese ICE cars. If you claim Japanese ICE cars have longevity it might make more sense, but European cars are complete garbage past warranty period. You can see their resale value fall off cliff for European luxury brands such as Audi, BMW, Merc... all high maintenance junk after they are 6 -7 years ood. - meaning you can keep them running, but at a cost higher than getting a new one. ICE cars can last longer if you are meticulous on maintenance, and drive low mileage. for EVs, Chinese battery makers such as BYD blade, and CATL produces batteries last 2 - 3 times longer in excess of 15+ years without significant degradation, compared to Panasonic cells that only last about 10 years / 1500 charging cycles. CATL's LFP batteries last 3000 charging cycles with 85% capacity remaining. That is the current fact. As for China's cultural revolution in the distant history affects its current society and in turn have negative effect on their products is pure conjecture on your part, not a proven fact.
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  1117. Electric cars can last more miles but still age by caledar years though. It's not like those 300k mile EVs are 20 years old, not possible. No moving parts in EVs means less mechanical stress at high mileage, but the liquid chemistry in the battery will degrade the same with calendar aging, regardless of mileage, in fact has more to do with charging than mileage. Just thought it's important to point it out, just because an EV can theoretically go 300k miles or more, doesn't mean you can keep it for 20 - 30 years. Maybe the battery can last 12 years or so, 15 tops.
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  1118. Just look at those ugly oversized kidney grills, BMW has lost touch with their customers years ago.
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  1119.  @FOREX25892  you can't read or comprehend or simply being provocative
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  1120.  @hardcoreherbivore4730  so what
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  1121.  @BarryObaminable  I'm not a failure
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  1122. Oh but it's made in England it must be high quality and expensive unlike those cheap Chinese junk. Sarcasm
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  1123.  @marshallforeman2051  I hope so. I've been eyeing on Volvo ex30. But the price difference between the US and Canada is so much even after currency conversion I wonder what justification is there.
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  1124. Thick
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  1125. China has it's own grassroot innovation it's not all about copying Tesla. Nios battery swapping for example.
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  1126. Is there any reason why all EVs have to have a giant stuck on screen ? It's an eye sore and your knee can bump on its corner.
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  1127. The keyword is THROUGHPUT. Because EVs takes longer to charge compared to ICE refuelling. Will it be enough to just target average usage rate, to handle at times when there is peak demand such as holiday travel or sporting / concert events? Even with ICE cars, gas stations can queue up in such situations, but queues at EV chargers will be far longer wait. Also there is a question of whether the grid is designed to handle sudden increase of charging demand in short period of time.
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  1128. I'd say don't compete with Tesla head on. Not everyone believes or want self driving. VW should focus on their strengths rather than trying to copy Tesla but fails to match the level of competency.
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  1129.  @mikapeltokorpi7671  I hope so too. But why would they not even fix the broken chargers for months? Why does it take consumer outcry and regulators to force them before they would even admit it's bad and just start to plan to improve? It surely seem to me they are only doing it for compliance rather than being fully committed to electrification themselves. If they did, they would just fix it already, instead of making a grand announcement on how much money they would throw at it etc. Just fix the broken damn chargers already! It's not rocket science!
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  1130. Japanese and German cars are trash compared to Chinese cars. It'll shock 99% of people living in the West
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  1131. Still expensive
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  1132.  @ElonMusk-iw1lg  ni shi yi long ma? Zheng de?
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  1133.  @Chicago48  I travel a lot. I can tell you it's very difficult to find destination chargers at hotels or AirBnbs. making it very inconvinience to travel with pure EVs.
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  1134. That's the problem with doing everything on cloud. so easy to leak.
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  1135.  @mallamal5578  you can train a horse forever on calculus it will never get it
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  1136.  @MrNiceGuy485  I worked in AI for 25 years. Tesla is full of hopium. Trust Elon, you will lose your money.
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  1137.  @ab-tf5fl  Not all ICE cars are computer on wheels. Many of them are, but not all. So people at least have choice not to have computer on wheels when it comes to ICE cars. However, almost all EVs are computer on wheels, which is unfortunate because it doesn't have to be that way. California is an anomoly among the US. There are several states that are very against EVs
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  1138. Why dp Toyotas keep crashing into Cybertruck?
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  1139. Americans are scared. Shaking in their pants they can't compete with the smart and hard working Chinese.
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  1140. BYD might win in China but geely is going to win globally.
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  1141. Normally I would laugh at it as typical Chinese copy cat, but given the fact that Tesla is not selling Cybertruck in China, I can understand it fills a demand gap.
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  1142.  @Joe44944  Sounds reasonable. In extreme cold weather, travelling long distance in EV is still a challenge. That's why I got a PHEV instead of two cars.
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  1143.  @davidinkster1296  you need to read my comments again.. I already know the joy you are talking about. But it doesn't help when you have to travel out of town you still need public charging infrastructure.
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  1144. Li mega is a disaster. It looks like a coffin and it's going viral in China that it looks like coffin. None is buying
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  1145.  @wolfgangpreier9160  you forget Volvo
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  1146.  @wolfgangpreier9160  did I say all of them are bad? Given that X5 is such a popular vehicle in many markets and its imposing presence. Many people don't really question its safety I can name a few more such as range Rover discovery and most of Audi q series from a few years ago, the current Q3 (2023) still failed side crash test. Jeep Grand Cherokee, Mazda CX-9, Honda Pilot, Toyota 4Runner, Highlander, Tacoma, all 2023 model year failed IIHS small or moderate overlap crash tests. These cars should be 5 star safety ratings given how popular and how many people trust in them. As opposed to "cheap Chinese" cars. They are actually worse and cheaply built than Chinese cars.
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  1147.  @wolfgangpreier9160  Which Volvo are you talking about being subpar? I looked at Euro Ncap and IIHS for Volvo XC90. They are all over 90%, and IIHS 5 stars with top safety pick+, and that has been since its introduction in 2003
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  1148. Why so fixated on range? 230 miles is plenty enough. There are more important things about car than just range range range. It's for ICE cars, someone only cares about horse power.
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  1149. GM is right. No demand for its EVs trying to copy Tesla and doing a bad job. It killed its best EV that was unique to itself Chevy volt. I believe legacy auto makers best chance of success is up differentiate itself from Tesla and not complete it head on. Make great phevs, lots of use cases where charging infrastructure is limited.
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  1150. If you are driving less than 20kkm a year, buying an EV is a waste and not necessarily good for environment. If you drive 5k a year, just keep your ice car
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  1151.  @neilkurzman4907  I believe you are misinformed. It's really bad for battery to be left fully or nearly fully charged for a long time. For lithium battery ideal storage state of charge is half charged. Even then it'll degrade with calendar time.
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  1152.  @neilkurzman4907  sure, proper maintenance will extend the battery life for sure but not indefinitely.. the shelf life of any battery is about 10 years or so, maybe some can go to 15. But it's largely a function of calendar aging, not mileage. Some military vehicles are 50 years old and still run fine because they rarely get used but well maintained and regularly run for short exercise. In that sense a pure mechanical system like ice can last indefinitely as far as calendar aging is concerned but limited by wear and tears if mileage used. Whereas batteries don't have wear and tear but will still degrade with calendar aging even if used very little. That's why for a Bev to make economic sense it should have certainly amount of mileage per year or over. I'd like to see delivery and commercial vehicles get converted to EVs that will be much more efficient use of resources then making luxury personal EVs that might not accumulate much mileage before battery degrades anyway.
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  1153. No there is no hydrogen future. Period. It's not just about lack of infrastructure. The whole concept is in efficient and trying to build out the hydrogen infrastructure will cost way more than EV charging stations.
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  1154. Shorts are stupud. Unlimited loss risk. Just buy puts if you think TSLA has topped and about to roll over.
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  1155.  @atfarmerbrown  I switched from EV to a phev and couldn't be happier. I also have a small diy solar panel so it didn't cost me much, it doesn't do much other than keeping Internet and fridge running during power outages. It only cost me $2000 material and did the work myself so it's not that bad
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  1156. South Koreans have been making wild claims as of late, also about superconductors. Yet their products are worse in quality and reliability than Chinese in almost all areas - cars, phones as well as electronics
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  1157. simple minded thought by a simpleton.
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  1158.  @billcichoke2534  I was saying it to the original commenter. He is the simpleton follower of mainstream narrative. I'm on your side. But I need to point out that not all ice cars are equal. I despise ones that are trying so hard to get on the computer on wheels bandwagon filling the cars with high tech gadgets just waiting to break and distract drivers from paying attention to driving. Many BMWs, range rovers are like that. Mostly expensive European toys that become garbage after 7-8 years
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  1159.  @DaveJordan310  They are talking about raising tarrifs to 100%, and even pressured Mexico to not allow BYD to setup shops there. That's effectively banning.
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  1160. More than 50% of Americans and 66% of Canadians in surveys don't consider buying EVs. That's up from last year's survey. We will hit a bump in EV sales in the coming years
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  1161.  @davidbrayshaw3529  Demand is not falling, the rate of increase is falling, it's first order calculus you failed to understand in your 1st year university.
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  1162. The biggest selling point of roof top solar panels is the rising electricity price. If it's going to come down to zero, you just wasted on your investment.
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  1163. Japan committed humanitarian atrocities in WW2. Now it's committing environmental atrocities. Why am I not surprised.
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  1164. FSD is fool's errands to compare who has better FSD. Until we reach level 4 or 5, any FSD systems that still require driver attention and hands on steering wheel is completely useless. Only the early adopters buy them for novelty factor. Not much more useful than rudimentary adaptive cruise controls that are actually more predictable to drivers than finicky FSD.
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  1165.  Fireblade-df2wj  I thought Nio does
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  1166. I know you don't like NIO's CEO, but could you give an honest review on ONVO?
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  1167. BYD stock down big.. too much expectation priced in. I like Geely more.
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  1168. Ev people always make a big fuss about range. It only exposes the weakness of EVs - charging time. No one talks or cares about the range, or what types of tires, or trying so hard to shape the car to be aerodynamic etc.
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  1169. Germans really need to step up their game. Quality of their cars have been going downhill, not just EV, but all cars for 10+ years. BMWs are absolutely garbage compared to even Hyundai,
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  1170.  @philiptaylor7902  The best way to incentivize less fuel use is carbon tax like Canada is doing. Higher gas prices at pump will make people think twice before misusing PHEVs, and they will remember to charge the car everyday.
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  1171.  @robertfonovic3551  I think $69
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  1172. Another China hawk - China update by Tony also sound like a US military personell. My gut tells me they are US government sponsored propaganda. Viking and some other independent youtuber travel journalists show the real side of China are honest.
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  1173. Most Japanese cars are ugly.. It's like they have really poor taste of style.
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  1174. FSD will fail big time in both China and USA.. Elon is a naive child.
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  1175. Phevs have legit use cases bev can't cover
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  1176. Jag is going to make a come back... Under the Chinese ownership lol.
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  1177. However I do feel it's shame that one of the greatest invention by humans turned out to be so environmentally destructive, and had to be obseleted in the near future - namely turning heat energy into electricity. It's quite ingenius and over the last hundred years or so, this technology has been perfected meticulously only to see it going to trash can. Such is the way of innovation.
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  1178.  @robertfonovic3551  True. but the trend is down and is irreversible. just like cigarrette. like it or not.
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  1179.  @RadioCamp  You need more education. Solar is converting light energy into electricity.
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  1180. If you have a good use for trucks sure. But if you just drive it to office job and weekend grocery hauls, then it's a waste.
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  1181. Literally pie in the sky.
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  1182. Volvo and polestar also sold in Canada. They were made in China
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  1183.  @KP-xi4bj  I don't plan to keep it after warranty. Most of EVs have high repair cost as well, don't plan to keep any EVs after warranty either. As for depreciation, it's no worse than pure EVs either. I don't see much downside other than $150 oill change per year, which is neglegible really. For my use case, having a PHEV is actually greener than equivalent BEVs, as its battery pack is only 20% of equivalent BEVs, thus the upfront carbon footprint for making the battery pack is way smaller. I rarely use ICE at all, 98% of miles are in pure EV mode, and I charge at home with solar panel. It's not for anyone who takes long road trips often, but I don't so it works for me. I only go out of town once a year if at all, but having an ICE as a backup should there be any emergency gives me a peace of mind, not having to look for charging stations or wait in queue.
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  1184.  @KP-xi4bj  low maintenance cost but repairs are still high unfortunately due to expensive replacement parts and lack of qualified technicians. The average mechanic can't repair your Tesla you have to get it done by Tesla. Other brads EVs are similar you need specialists if anything goes wrong. I don't know if your survey only counts regular maintenance or also damages?
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  1185.  @KP-xi4bj  running out of reasons and just resort to denial..repeated use of LMAO SMH reveals your true mental capacity. A true fanboy.
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  1186.  @KP-xi4bj  if Tesla repair cost is so low why is insurance premium so high? And depreciation as well? Again I'm not just saying it's Tesla, but overall EVs. Yet you keep coming back arguing for Tesla only, while I'm talking about the overall EV market. You seem to believe Tesla is the only EV that matters, again fanboy mentality.
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  1187.  @KP-xi4bj  a side note, my current car Volvo XC90 PHEV is 60% higher in MSRP than Tesla model 3 long range which I owned 2 years ago. Yet I pay 20% less in insurance premium on my Volvo than Tesla. Repair cost and wait time is definitely a problem with Tesla and EVs in general. I have lots of anecdotal stories from my friends who still own Tesla to back it up.
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  1188.  @KP-xi4bj  Yes I do live in a very congested city - Toronto. But given my driving history, the chances of getting into an accident should be equal whether I drive a Volvo or Tesla. The only thing that matters to insurance company is the repair cost. Even though my Volvo's MSRP is 60% higher than Tesla model 3, the insurance premium is 20% less? I never had an accident on my 2019 model 3, but my father had a rear bumper hit a light pole and damaged turn signal lights and bumper. The whole repair took 2.5 months, most of time waiting for parts. The insurance offered a rental car, but he refused because it was an ICE car. Long wait time for the repair means insurnace company has to pay for the rental car too, increasing the burden on insurance. No I'm not mad, just saying that when I give you a stat based on overall EV repair cost, you counter with a stat on repair cost only for Tesla, which is clearly incongruent, or you having a cognitive dissonance automatically equating all EVs to be Teslas, which are not t completely equal. While Tesla is the leader, but they aren't even the majority of US EV market share as of June 2024. They used to be 75% in 2019, but now, it's 49.5% just under half. Globally, they have even less market share.
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  1189.  @davidbeppler3032  Keep dreaming. Robotaxi won't be here for at least 20 years
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  1190. Only people renting them were Uber drivers. Vacationers don't want the hassle of finding and planning charging stops. It'll ruin your vacation.
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  1191. Some people will never want a computer on wheels whether it's EV or ICE cars. I'm all for EVs, but hate computer on wheels software driven mumbo jumbo.
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  1192.  @jsanders100  why is that? Cultural or is there actually a technical reason most EVs are computer on wheels..I think it's most cultural perception
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  1193.  @TonyBasuro  that's all fine. I just don't like a big stuck touch screen in the middle for controlling everthing, and all cars linked to central overlord HQ, only one bad hack away from sending malware via over the air software update to everyone.
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  1194.  @levenkay4468  I'm not interested in ICE cars. I prefer EVs, but not ones resemble a smart phone or ipad on wheels. I prefer tradiional physical controls and less remotely controolled by centralized overlord servers.
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  1195.  @TonyBasuro  Yes, custom conversion EVs without fragile digital controls are ideal, but very costly. If a company came along and made "analog" EVs I think it will do very well. You can definitely make EMP resistant EVs with only analog control circuits. They might not be as efficient, but it'll be more robust and reliable.
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  1196. Elon has a child like optimism. He thought AI was so easy we would all be using robotaxi 3 years ago. humanoid robots won't happen in our life time. All his investment into this project is like pouring water into desert sand. waste.
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  1197. The dilemma with EV charging infrastructure is that most EV users charge at home over night, so fast chargers are only used by mostly by long distance travellers. If you build a lot of them, as ubiquitous as gas stations, they won't get enough utilization to make a profit. If you don't build as many, only a couple of them along busy highways, then it deters people - especially apartment dwellers from buying EVs because of inconvinience.
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  1198. I thought Japan was all in on hydrogen lol for the last 15 years
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  1199.  @DumpTheDollar  my point exactly.. Japan was arrogant and wrong
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  1200. This is the problem of trying to make high tech "electronic" cars instead of just simple ELECTRIC car. If you lack software competency just stick with old design and electrify your fleet it has no problem. Trying to copy Tesla computer on wheels and bad at it is disaster. My Chevrolet bolt ev is one of the most reliable cars I've ever had and easy to use without having to struggle with Tesla like infotainment system. It's better that way if they can make it reliability
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  1201. Hyundai and Kia make really poor quality cars even worse than Chinese. All the do is chasing the latest fashion trend and gimmicks and put no real substance or quality control in their products. Buy either Japanese if you are traditionalist or Chinese if you are futurist.
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  1202. Sadly this is not likely to happen in North America because of protectionist policies. Even in Europe, there are European brands such as MG under Chinese ownership that can sell cheaper EVs. In North America, there are no cheap EV choices. It's one horse race Tesla here, and I hate Tesla.
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  1203. NiMH are safer and doesn't catch fire as easily as Li-ion batteries. Toyota are afriad to take risks.
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  1204. Except for the North America where Chinese cars can't be sold
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  1205.  @borshardsd  US citizens are people too. I don't want to blame them too much as they are manipulated by their government censored mainstream media
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  1206. Obviously they will change the law to close this loophole. Anti Chinese sentiment is all time high. They should just ban Chinese EVs no matter where it's made
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  1207. Trump might uturn on China just as be uturned on bitcoin. He changes his mind easily.
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  1208.  @incognitotorpedo42  10 seconds to plug in but how long to charge? What if you are in emergency you go somewhere?
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  1209.  @Cant_prove_god  it's not free. Solar installation costs. Also maintenance. Not to mention increased insurance cost to you house. Inverters need replacement every 10 years that's $5000
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  1210. So when Elon said Tesla cars will not depreciate but appreciate in value, that was a lie TOO?
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  1211.  @Tschacki_Quacki  then you probably will spend a lot in repairs if it's out of warranty
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  1212.  @williammeek4078  I guess the remaining fossil fuel will still be needed for aviation and military applications.
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  1213. All the incentives and tax breaks for EVs can only last so long it's not long term sustainable. There will come to a point owning EVs will be cheaper even with the same taxes as ice vehicles. I think it's better to remove all the EV incentives as soon as possible to let industry and consumers and invisible hand of the market work it out.
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  1214. I cringe when i hear software enabled and digital experience on cars
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  1215. @ElmoR.McElroy  we only have ourselves - voters to blame
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  1216.  @ElmoR.McElroy  They like to protect zombie companies and unions which will eventually be replaced by robots anyway. Flaw of democracy.
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  1217.  @ElmoR.McElroy  they just want unions votes. Unions hold back the progress in society
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  1218. Germans and Europeans are far more anti America than China. The people not the government.
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  1219.  @jjjxoxoxo  it ultimately comes down to do you want convenience more or better air quality more? I think a lot of blue states in the US people just don't care about their health. They want to drive their polluting gas and diesel trucks more than healthy lungs. China will become cleaner than the US and Japan for sure in 5 years
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  1220.  @timothykeith1367  Up till now yes. But governments around the world will force these people to buy EVs in the coming years. If Toyota doesn't come up with any compelling products then, it will be in serious trouble.
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  1221.  @andreasl4507  We are not talking about Tesla cars, we talk about stocks.
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  1222. It's going to take longer than you think. In the Western automotive culture, ice still dominates popularism just by looking at the most popular car related YouTube channels by subsctiber counts.
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  1223.  @guyboisvert66  You must not be in engineering profession. Putting a battery and electric motor together must be a feat of genius comparable to creating a sentient AI capable of making sense of its surroundings and navigate through the real physical world. (Sarcasm). The former is like a child's play compared to the latter is to solve the deepest mystery of life and universe.
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  1224.  @tomschmitt8561  just because the Tesla revived the EVs doesn't make them infallible. There are many things Tesla is doing wrong and can be bettered. Calling anyone who criticized Tesla working for big oil shows how narrow minded cult mentality you have
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  1225.  @tomschmitt8561  that makes no sense. I will not call you a racist unless you say or do something that merits it. Unlike you I think with my brain. You on the other hand is a blind follower of Elon cult
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  1226.  chillfluencer  iPhone dominance relied on network effect. The more people you know have iPhones the more likely you will also buy an iPhone because it's easier to share photos and music and iMessage etc. there is no benefit in having the same car as everyone else.
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  1227.  @PaleBlueDotCitizen  so good that it's good enough without human intervention? I'm sorry until it's fully self driving as it's name suggests it's useless.
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  1228.  @tomschmitt8561  nah I'm not going to call you a racist unless you say something racist. you are just a blind Elon cult follower. Unlike you, my argument is grounded in logic and reason.
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  1229. Stock market is a forecast machine. According to the market, EV demand will take a pause, just look at all the EV stocks going down or flat at best (Tesla), and Toyota stock soaring... Is the market wrong? It maybe in very long term (5+ years), but in near term (12 - 16 months), it looks like EV demand will stagnant compared to ICE cars.
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  1230.  @whowhy9023  not as much.. Banks are insured.
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  1231.  @Harrythehun  how often do you have to wash it? especially in the frozen Canadian winter? Is it really a work truck or something you have to baby it and wash it so often?
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  1232. No Chinese labor is not that much cheaper. But Chinese are just as smart if not smarter and more hard working than the lazy union workers of the West. VW ditched it's software division to use Chinese software company. Is it just cheap manual labor or better brains? Welcome to the new world
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  1233. full of bull
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  1234.  @fredbloggs5902  All of Elon's promises have been disappointing. This will be no exception. Optimus robots will be useless for decades until some random small company overtakes Tesla. Just like FSD AI promises for years, then openAI leaves Tesla in dust, and still no end in sight when FSD will be complete. Cybertruck production volume will be dismall for years, until China copycats outproduce Tesla, and may have even better quality in year time, while Tesla is still trying to do model 2, which Chinese EV companies have been making for a decade. In 5 year time, FSD will still be in beta, and wil still be "improving".
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  1235. That's because you can charge at home.. Think about those who don't have access to home charging.
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  1236.  @edouglasroche  just because something has been a norm in the industry such as over promising it doesn't make it a right thing to do. It's akin to lying in order to inflate stock prices and steal investors money
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  1237. It's sad to see Toyota sticking to ice so stubbornly especially there is no Toyota equivalent EV yet.. meaning most EVs are overly dependent on fragile computer on wheels design philosophy and prone to early faulures and expensive repairs should any of over engineered smart features fail
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  1238.  @JohnMcAfee-se9ms  miles again. I'm not talking miles. I'm talking years
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  1239.  @GWAForUTBE  Chinese made Tesla have much tighter panel gaps.
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  1240.  @JohnMcAfee-se9ms  you can Google it yourself. Go ahead keep your EV beyond 12 years see what happens
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  1241.  @jalexand007  Yup I agree. but there are many poeple like myself who only drive 3000 miles or less a year, and an EV would be a waste for me.
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  1242.  @jalexand007  Yup agreed again, but there should not be government mandate to remove the ICE choice from even 10% minority who would been better served with.
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  1243. America only cares about military technology. Just look at how much they spend on defense industry. And they accuse China of aggression
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  1244. LG chem again..ah we see a pattern
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  1245. Just by looking at the pace of technology advance in China, if you buy any EVs in North America today they will be worthless in 3 years when Chinese tech makes it here
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  1246. I don't believe anything coming out of the US, they are bunch of VC startups trying to scam investor money. They will never come to market or production, not even prototypes.
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  1247.  @ISuperTed  believe or not, a lot of people prefer it even though they know stealership model is rip off. Because at least it's predictable and they falsely believe in their negotiation skills and knowledge. With Tesla model, you can't negotiate. If you are not happy with the price you can't just go to another dealer with the same brand you have to look other brands.
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  1248.  @paulmcgreevy3011  price elasticity only works till certain point beyond which you risk damaging your brand reputation like I mentioned above or maybe demand is just too weak no matter how low price goes there is no more incremental buyers. Tesla will find it the hard way I guess they will be forced to shutdown factory when reputation damage exceeds that of new buyers just found out about EVs etc
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  1249.  @eugeniustheodidactus8890  Elon musk will soon lose credibility when long promised FSD keep getting delayed. People will eventually catch on its never going to come and customers who paid $10k or more for it will demand money back or class action suits. It's not going to be a smooth ride if you are a Tesla share Holder.
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  1250.  @dougtrumble  I used to like Tesla and I still like EVs. I am one of the earlist adoptors of EVs, had 2 Teslas since 2017. Unlike most of you hype chasers only got interested in Tesla after 2020 and model 3 ramp up. I was there way early when Tesla shares were only $5, and near bankruptsy several times. Now I believe you hype chasers are too late to the game, and will hold your $TSLA bag for next 10 years without any gains, break even if lucky.
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  1251.  @dougtrumble  Right, typical Elon fanboy tactic. When you hear something you don't want to hear, you resort to name calling. Fine you can continue to burry your head in the sand or dream about your dancing optimus robot or whatever. Just remember nobody ever made any money following the herd. Right now, the bright future of EVs are pretty much well assumed by the majority, therefore well priced into the stocks. You are not going to see a lot of upside, but risk much downside if any of Elon's promises don't pan out.
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  1252.  @Notme-tq4xs  I don't have a garage. Just driveway. Not everyone is as privileged as you my friend
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  1253.  @litestuffllc7249  Chevrolet Bolt EV has more chance of fire with LG Chem batteries. BYD has passed European and Australian crash tests with flying colors, way better than your average Toyotas and Ford cars in America. In fact, BYD's crash test scores are on par with the likes of Tesla and Volvo. Guess you didn't know that did you? As for fires, people like to sensationalize every single fire incident, just like in the early days of Tesla. Every time a Tesla caught fire, it made the headline news. Did you know as of 2023, 198 Teslas caught fire spontaenously? They no longer make it to the news do they? Did you know over 3800 gasline cars caught fire every year? that's 1/2000 chance. Do they make it to news? Nope. GM had to recall all 69000 Chevrolet Bolt EV for defective LG Chem batteries because they keep catching fire. I'd trust Chinese brand EV way way more than Korean, or any western brands using Korean LG Chem batteries.
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  1254.  @litestuffllc7249  Did you know BWM recalled 90,000 vehicles due to risks of spontaenous fire risk in 2022? So your gas car fire has to be damaged is wrong. Many many petrol cars catch fire spontaenously when parked, Average ICE cars have just as many electronics and computers on them as EVs in modern times. And most fires start with electrical short circuit. As for hand picking vehicles for crash test, Euro NCAP is an independent test, they purchase vehicles at random to conduct test, not asking permissions from manufacturers. As for faking crash tests with hand picked vehicles, none gets better honor than Toyota. Toyota Admits Some Daihatsu Crash Test Cars Were Rigged For Better Results - Motor1 - May 2023 Also, 60 million Takata airbags were recalled due to failure to deploy in accidents - another hall markt of Japanese quality eh? Also did you forget VW diesel gate scandal? People are too eager to jump on stereotypical image of poor quality of Chinese knockoffs right? But very quickly forget poor quality and outright cheating by the Western companies. Consumers complains about all sorts of issues. According to carcomplaints . co m, top models received complaints are Ford explorer, Toyota Rav4 etc. Go figure Read them stories, some are quite shocking and scary.
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  1255.  @litestuffllc7249  those BMWs are all ice cars involving pcv valve heater short circuiting. The point is that wires are everywhere in modern cars and short circuit risk is always there whether the car is running or not. The stats show ice cars catch fire much more frequently than EVs. Some EV models equipped with defective batteries such as LG chem catch fire more but not BYD or CATL batteries. As for euro ncap, this is what their website states Where Does Euro NCAP Get the Cars for Testing ? Up to 4 cars are needed for an assessment by Euro NCAP. If a car model is already on sale, Euro NCAP will generally buy cars from dealers, in the same way that consumers do. Cars are bought anonymously, either from a single dealer or from several. Once the cars are at the test laboratory, the manufacturer is informed of the vehicle identification numbers (VINs) and are asked to conf.... It's one of the most trusted safety test in the world. If you say they can't be trusted then you can't trust any Western car safety either.. The fact is BYD cars are put to test under the save standard as any other Western car brands and got 5 stars should not be disputed.
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  1256.  @KP-xi4bj  it's from Tesla fires website. I didn't make it up.. still far fewer than ice car fires about 3000-4000 per year. The only official report I found on the number of BYD fires is business new website.. Only 11 between 2020-2022
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  1257.  @litestuffllc7249  yes they can.. GM did to their 69000 bolt EVs at enormous cost . I know you like to single out BYD because it's Chinese but turn the other way if it's a Western brand
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  1258.  @litestuffllc7249  just go look at EV fires incidents report on Wikipedia. every EV maker has had spontaneous fires, BYD being one of the highest sales number is surely on the list but so is every other EV makers. Not a good argument for saying China can only make cheap low quality junk.
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  1259. Japan becomes resource rich. China is going to invade lol. Role reversal from WW2
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  1260. Still many Westerners believe China is only able to copy and paste and Chinese EVs all self combust or go to junk yard in 1 year. Ask any American, 2/3 believe such nonsense.
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  1261. I wonder how much of BYD's profit can be attributed to Uygur slave labours some people are accusing China of doing. Are there evidence BYD is using Uygur slave labour?
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  1262. America is deeply paranoid for everything is a national security concern. Yet, when Covid first hit, we didn't even have enough masks and other basic medical supplies.
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  1263.  @KidHorn7001  then I dare you sit in the back seat and let the car self drive it'll hit something within 10 minutes for sure
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  1264.  @KidHorn7001  I've owned two Tesla. You can cheat by putting a weight on steering wheel. You do that you will get into an accident you are spewing lies.
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  1265.  @davidsoom1551  no sense trying to argue with a fanboi. He is probably disgruntled Tesla stock bag holder
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  1266. because of government incentives
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  1267.  @Mauricio17-x1p  doesn't work in really really cold places below -10c. It loses efficiency and the noise and vibration from the overworked heat pump is as stress inducing as it may shorten its life. I'd rather stick with fuel based heater in the extreme cold as I know its reliability lie in its simplicity.
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  1268.  @MGiosparky  how noisy was it? If it sounds like an ac all night one can't sleep
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  1269. Flush door handles is the deal breaker. It cries desperation to copy Tesla design, yet fails to match it technically nor beat it in price. PASS!
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  1270. At least Ford is not selling its driver assist system as "Full Self Driving" as Elon is trying to mislead Tesla's customers. Tesla had 469 Autopilot / FSD related crashes between 2022 - 2023 in the US alone, and 13 deaths all because some people are lulled into false sense of security about Tesla's FSD system, all because Elon keeps saying Full Autonomy will be here in a year, for the last 7 years. Elon fanboys and cult followers keep believing his false promises saying it's getting better, it's getting really close. I'll LMAO when Full Autonomy is still just 1 year away in 2035.
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  1271. Never underestimate the ability of Americans ability to borrow their way out of trouble. And ability of US government to print their way out of trouble.
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  1272. You could say Tesla model 3 copied Mazda. Somehow it sounds so much more convincing when accusing Chinese of copying than other races?
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  1273.  @PelleGIT  clearly you are politically motivated. Just look at your comment about 50 cent army. I had no idea what it meant until I saw your comment and looked it up. Clearly you are western supremacist. You must believe Chinese are not capable of innovating on their own but just copy everything from the West.
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  1274. EV stocks aren't performing any better in the last couple of years either. Even Tesla has been a dead money for last 2 years. The only high performing stocks are AI and crypto related.
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  1275. All chargers should adopt the same standard. But Teslas supercharger network should be broken up and owmed by several companies to encourage competition.
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  1276. I doubt it's that the fossil oil industry is controlling the media. It's more because the media is feeding the vast majority of people who are still driving combustion cars who don't want to feel "inferior" to those who have EVs. Let's face it, besides China and Norway, in most countries, people who are considering purchasing EVs are still in minority.
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  1277. Surprised you didn't mention anything about diet on colon cancer. Lack of fibre and too much processed food increase the risks of colon cancer by a lot, so is the red meat.
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  1278. Neither autonomous system works. You can only claim it working if it's at least level 4, no intervention required.
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  1279. US and Japanese legacy autos are finished unless they open up to China and lessen the trade restrictions.
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  1280. ​ @BockaufVegas keep dreaming buddy. I hate Tesla too but not EV in general
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  1281. I thought they were pivoting to PHEVs last Mary spoke.
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  1282. Unfortunately it's all hype, not real
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  1283.  @jemezname2259  Chinese Nio has a good solution with battery swapping.. Normally you use small short range battery for daily commute but swap out for larger battery when you need to go for road trips.
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  1284. ​ @erktrek there is no way the US will use Chinese batteries for aviation.. national security risk.
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  1285.  @4203105  propeller airplanes generate noise from disturbance in air.. Have you ever flown a DJI drone, you will know how loud they can be even electric.
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  1286. Less polluting yes. More convenient? No.
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  1287.  @sd70cal  I hope so, but notso much with Tesla. They want to be Apple / iPhone of cars, a closed ecosystem walled garden Maybe another EV maker can create EVs that are built with repairability and longevity in mind that allows any qualified 3rd party mechanic to repair.
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  1288.  @sd70cal  Clearly we still don't have enough EV mechanics as the repair cost is still higher than ICE cars. The free market will determine how many EV mechanics we need, but for that to work, the auto makers must make repairability a requirement, not a walled garden approach Tesla is doing.
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  1289.  @sd70cal  I beg to differ. Cars will never be like a computer. Cars by definition are moving all the time, whereas computers are mostly stationary. Just because EVs have no engine, there are still wheels, suspension, liquid cooling system, heat pump, HVAC compressors, charging inverter. all kinds of stuff can wear out and break. Mileage is only one measure of longevity, calendar aging is another. Many components wear out with time, even when the car is not driven. Rubbers crack, metals rust. Electronic components such as capacitors, sensors have about 8- 10 years of service life. Wiring corrosion if exposed to moisture. Cars are outdoor animals, exposed to extreme temperatures, and vibration all the time, need to be built much more robust than a computer. For example, Tesla's BMS and cells are integrated battery modules, typically BMS wear out before cells, but since they are integrated, the whole module need to be replaced. Rivian on the other hand separate BMS from battery cells. So when BMS goes out, it can be replaced seperatedly at a fraction of cost. The trade off is that packaging is a little bulkier with separate BMS from cells.
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  1290.  @jimgraham6722  Good for you, but power bills for me is cheap. Why go through all that hassel just to save some peanuts? The interest generated from my investments in 1 day pays 2 months worth of electricity bill for my house. And all I have to do to manage that investment is a few clicks of buttons once in a while. None of that physical chores associated with living off grid. If I wanted to see nature, I just rent an airbnb and have all the cleaning and supplies taken care of.
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  1291.  @joebloggs6131  that is true. My point is reverse that not everyone lives in a place where batteries can replace fossil fuel. Trying to do so imposes tremendous inconvenience and even danger.
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  1292.  @chrisbarron5861  because they don't have enough long term study data to know what happened after 10 years of degradation. We just don't know.. Some claim LFP chemistry batteries can last 25 years, some say 10-15
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  1293.  @howardj602  to enjoy nature in comfort is every civilized gentleman's pursuit. Only if you are a caveman then don't mind roughing it
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  1294.  @howardj602  you confuse the discomfort of civilization with comfort. Nobody wants the noise but everyone wants the hot water when bathing
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  1295. I think many Japanese are. They are overworked in a monotonous sakarymen lifestyle. They seek only comfort in repetitive routines of working overtime and then going to karaoke bars after a long day. They don't care to imagine or trying to learn anything disruptively new because of exhaustion.
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  1296. Toyota superior quality is a myth that is so deeply entrenched in the Western world, but In fact Toyota is just mediocre in reliability and poor in safety.
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  1297. If they get rid of flush doors handles and stuck on tablet it'll look more original.. Otherwise it just screams Tesla copy 😊
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  1298. EVs should be cheaper than ice cars. Even then it's still hard sell for someone living in an apartment without home charger. It's just less convenient given the current state of infrastructure build out
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  1299. Ford thinks being an EV is to slap on tablet on center console and make door handles flush. But everything else under the hood old design. I'd actually like to see the opposite. I want traditional appearance design but underneath a good EV design
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  1300.  @raymondschembri5042  Synthetic oil is also made from crude. So are plastics, rubber and vynil tubings. No Tesla cannot be manufactured without crude oil.
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  1301.  @acolon8999  but the counties are already banning sale of ice by 2035. I think that's more Draconian than taxing gasoline heavily. At least with high tax, you still have a freedom of choice enabled only by financial means. The latter makes something illegal that's less freedom.
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  1302.  @Just_a_random_birb  there is a technology called search engine. You can type in topics of your interest and relevant videos will come up. For example type in cybertruck stuck need to be towed by Ford, or simply cybertruck off-road test
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  1303. When FSD fails (fails to achieve level 4 as promised by MUSK for 7 past years), he will be removed. Maybe this or next year. Then sone random Chinese firm does it, and shocks the world again.
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  1304. Even if we do get cheap and limitless energy, supplying it to the remote locations is still a challenge. It's much easier to supply a remote gas station than running power lines for hundreds of miles to a remote charging station. EVs definitely have their limitations compared to fuel based vehicles. They are fine and efficient urban transportations but not ideal for long distance or remote applications. Military will never be able to use EVs as they cannot be refuelled quickly in remote areas.
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  1305. ​ @ryancouture2508 good one
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  1306. They only care about piston engines
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  1307. Elton musk is a naive child. Either that or he is lying to prop up the stock price.
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  1308.  @danharold3087  I agree. I like his optimism and willingness to try. Nonetheless many of his ambitions are unrealistic.
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  1309.  @danharold3087  I whole heartedly agree. I even root for Ellons causes. But I will not own Tesla stock at current valuation given that some of AI and robotics end game have been priced in because he gave unrealistic predictions and many of you believe in him. When they don't pan out the stock price will crater.
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  1310. Japanese are delusional. Nissan is junk. Tesla has no interest in it
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  1311. It woudn't work when raining, and after raining, wood needs time to dry before it can burn again.
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  1312. I think Mary Barra is a lazy CEO. Remember when GM invested heavily into Nikola? Then it turned out to be a scam. Same with Cruze, it seems that these young startups scam their way into big company's investment money like GM. Mary Barra and her team are lazy and gullible and incompetent, and will just throw money at whatever flavour of the day is hoping it will work out, without doing any due delligence on the companies they invest in.
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  1313. Tesla in China is like Toyota Corolla. People buy them for reliability and strong brand, not cutting edge technology anymore unlike the in the US, people who want cutting edge tech go for Tesla. In China it's the total opposite. Tesla is a boring but reliable car, with relatively low tech.
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  1314. The biggest difference between BYD and Tesla is Tesla has a hot headed emotionally immature CEO. BYD has a solid management.
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  1315.  @whowhy9023  battery degradation with calendar aging. Also this particular EV in question probably has so much electronics and computer components that are not built to withstand the test of time. This is not restricted to EVs though. Almost all modern cars gas or EV depend too much on computers like delicate flowers
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  1316. If you believe Tesla FSD and robots are going to come true any time soon you will be very disappointed. They will have to compete in car market which is very low margin. Tesla is just a car company not a software company
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  1317.  @Davran2742  Me too. I had model 3 first, then sold it in 2022 for a profit, then bought Bolt. Much better value than Tesla, and rides more comfortably too.
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  1318.  @jamesvandamme7786  yeah but not everything in life goes according to plans. Read my post again
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  1319.  @robertfonovic3551  hopefully not coal
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  1320. Sam you are over-criticizing PHEVs. I own a Volvo PHEV and it is designed to be very safe and haven't heard any fires from Volvo PHEVs. It depends on design. Fire risks should be reduced as technology matures. There are some very good use cases for PHEVs especially in colder climate and sparsely populated areas with few charging infrastructure. In these areas, PHEV could get people to not worry about range axiety especially in very harsh winter weather, but still reduce emission up to 95% in regular use.
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  1321. I just hope Australia doesn't cave into the US pressure to also put tariffs on Chinese EVs.
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  1322. Fact 1: Tesla cars depreciates faster than Toyotas. Fact 2: Fuel savings don't offsets depreciation and higher repair cost. Fact 3: No EVs sold in N.A. have reliability and logevity like a Toyota cars. Maybe there are in China and Australia, but not in N.A. thanks to protectionism.
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  1323.  @KP-xi4bj  oh I thought the mission of Tesla was to reduce emissions and greener and sustainable transport, not the excitement of driving. In fact the eventual goal of Tesla FSD is to remove steering wheel and take away your right to drive car at all in the name of efficiency and safety. So what are you talking about excitement content? If you want excitement get a convertible sportscar. Didn't Elon tout that Tesla cars will not depreciate? How did that turn out? They depreciate just as fast as unreliable Mercedes and BMWs etc. Tesla is no better than expensive toys for the rich with high maintenance and repair cost and become a piece of garbage as soon as out of warranty
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  1324.  @patrickcorcoran4828  Just Google which EVs have the most battery replacement in EVs. Tesla is the worst, worse than Nissan leaf. The article is in business insider. 2012, 2013 model S has some 8% replacement rate. Model 3s are still too young there is no data of course. please don't quote mileage. Quite calendar age. I'm a low mileage user only 3k miles a year. EV batteries go bad after 12 years max, regardless of mileage. Yeah if you drive 130k miles in 3 years, get an EV knock yourself out. But ice cars are still very value if you are low mileage user. EV batteries simply don't last that long in calendar age Moreover, any minor damage to the battery pack such as hitting something on the road scraping the underbody of your car can void battery warranty and cause a major battery replacement. There is a recent case of Canadian Hyundai ioniq 5 owner did just that and Hyundai quoted him $60,000 battery replacement cost on $55k brand new car. Insurance wrote it off. Such damage to an ice car would still require repairs but for far less cost. The problem with battery pack is that there many cells and you don't know which cells are damaged and they will not take it apart and examine one by one. Just because battery is not a moving parts, doesn't mean it's not fragile. It's in fact more fragile than ice.
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  1325.  @patrickcorcoran4828  I edited my reply on what you Google. Read again. And added a recent news story on fragility of EV batteries on minor accident . 2013 Tesla model S already had 8.5% battery replacement rate. Higher than even 2012 Nissan leaf. Various laboratory studies projects lithium ion battery chemistry degradation after 10 years even under ideal conditions, sooner if subjected to extreme temperatures.
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  1326.  @KP-xi4bj  even with your own numbers, why does the best EV brand Tesla lose more value than a crappy Honda? what will be after 8 years? After 12 years? After 15 years? Batteries will probably need replacing after 12 years. If not they will be obsolete and worth nothing. Ice will stay the same if well maintained and low mileage. EV batteries degrades with calendar aging regardless of maintenance and mileage You are the naive one to keep telling yourself because Tesla doesn't need maintenance in the first few years there is no cost? What about repair costs in case of damage? Ok you are a perfect diver you will never damage it fine. Depreciation alone over Corolla and Civic negates any fuel savings. And why are you so proud about rebates? Does it reflect the true merit of a car or artificially inflated number by the government policies? Toyota Prius prime and RAV4 prime actually increased in value after 1-2 years and will still save you 95% of fuel and still qualifies for government incentives here in Canada. And they will have much better long term reliability then Tesla or any EVs in the market, maybe except for BYD but Chinese EVs are banned thanks to hypocrite government. As for the warranty length, usually the worst brands have the longest warranty. Hyundai and Kia come to mind also VW. Battery warranty doesn't mean other components won't break. Those model S with over 200k miles usually have electric motors replaced 3-4 times. Battery pack also replaced under warranty. Toyota don't need lengthy warranty, their reliability history has proven it already. There are many 20, 25 year old Toyotas still on road with minimal maintenance. Carry on with your hubris. Believe the mainstream narrative that government tries hard to push down your throat.
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  1327.  @jlarm3  it's going to have to expand if it wants more market share or everyone will be waiting long queues for charging
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  1328. I thought Chinese was supposed to be good in math lol
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  1329. It's not just EVs. Japan doesn't like to change. They still use physical money to buy stuff and you can still buy CDs and DVDs. Japanese like to keep doing the same thing over and over again, and find happiness in keeping old traditions. Changes need re-adjusting and hurts their brains.
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  1330. German cars have horrendous software. They don't believe in computer on wheels philosophy
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  1331. I'm pretty sure US government will change the rules to ban Chinese cars no matter where it is produced.
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  1332. Viking you got to stop poking fun at Toyota I'm starting to feel sorry for them
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  1333. If this were true, Sam Altman just lost $350 million in his Helion investment.
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  1334. They need to address end of life battery recycling before going crazy on deployment
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  1335.  @davidinkster1296  what percentage of lithium batteries are actually recycled right now?
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  1336. Red blooded Amuuricans need a V8 on his honkydonk truck, not a sissy EV
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  1337.  @williammeek4078  I dare you to live right next to a wind farm.
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  1338.  @peteinwisconsin2496  I could hear it from Mile array. It's not the absolute decibel lentil of sound, it's the quality of sound. The rustle of leaves is natural and pleasing. Not so much the low frequency whirring sounds of turbine will give you nightmares if you are subject to it day after day for eternity.
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  1339.  @protagonist9716  yikes
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  1340.  @TAL142  battery storage is highly inefficient and expensive. Cold temperature makes it even worse when demand is the highest.
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  1341. The decline of Wester civilization. their incompetence is astonishing.
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  1342. German EVs suck.
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  1343. The recent Tesla semi fire exposes how difficult to put out the EV fires once it gets started. Sure statistically, it happens less often than ICE, but the intensity and length of fire in EVs are much more than average ICE car fires.
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  1344. EV hype is finished. New battery tech every week typical of peak hype cycle. None of these will make it to market. 99% are scams.
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  1345. ​ @Raymund-Swales they don't have enough ground clearance for North American potholes.
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  1346.  @BaxterEvergreen  that's sad most EVs are designed for range and sacrifice other practicalities.
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  1347.  @jamespaul2587  yes rivian and cyber truck are high ground clearance. But other European EVs from BMW Audi Mercedes are all hugging so close to ground, even SUV ones. as if they are insecure about the range.
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  1348. @@phillipbanes5484 ok I'm throw in jaguar and Volvo. Now you happy
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  1349. I think Korean batteries have even worse safety record .. think LG chem.
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  1350.  @mikewallace8087  zeekr Golden battery is supposed to be the safest. That's Chinese also
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  1351. If it was a Chinese company, I'd believe it. The fact that it's a US startup means scam written all over it. Look nobody wants to invest in China right now, yet they are innovating like crazy. Tons of investment dollars floating around in the US stock markets feeding these zombie companies. Quantumscape is about to run out of money when this kind of articles come out, what a convinient timing? Sucking in more gullible American investors.
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  1352. What kind of margin will Tesla get for storage business when there are so many competitors? from Koreans and Chinese?
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  1353.  @andrasbiro3007  sure economy of scale is well done by Tesla I'm not denying that. I'm simply comparing the technical difficulty of creating EV and AI. Vast difference.. EV everyone can do it. AI. No knee has been able to do it .
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  1354.  @andrasbiro3007  No it's not just matter of more data and compute. Humans need far less data to train 1 / 1000000 required to train neural network models. There is something inefficient and wrong with the current AI models. A completely new approach is needed. The current approach mad rush to train all these neural nets by wasting so much energy and brute force compute power will be laughed at by our future selves.
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  1355. FSD is a scam it's no better than regular assisted cruise control. You are not supposed to fall asleep while driving. If you have medical conditions that causes you to fall asleep while driving your license should be revoked
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  1356. In Europe you have to bring you own cable
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  1357.  @jrghays46  I bought Tesla stock as early as 2015 when it was around $20. I can tell you right now that Amprius is full of hype, their stock will be 0 and am not interested in buying it and lose my money. I don't know why people doubted Tesla back then, it was obvious putting a battery and motor in a car is no-brainer, it's not even a very difficult technical achievement. Creating revolutionary battery chemistry with nanotech on the other hand is a real challenge and just by looking at the management of Amprius I can tell you they are not even real scientists or engineers, just bunch of morons hyping up stock price to get investor money.
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  1358. ​ @paulstubbs7678 you give Japanese government too much credit. I think they are just too dumb to realize Bev are more realistic than fuel cell hydrogen technology. They have been pushing hydrogen for decades even when relationship with China was much better way before Trump kicked off trade war.
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  1359. The problem is with you is keep trying to chase the hype. late 2021 is way too late getting into Tesla stock. I got in 2019 and sold early 2021. Trying to catch good trade when nobody is talking about it. I've been in gold after getting out of Tesla stock, and has been doing well. still have room to run imho.
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  1360.  @renewablerecon  but there are use cases for ice cars EVs can't yet cover. That's why they have so far retained value well, actually better than used EVs.
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  1361.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  I highly doubt your Kia e Niro is holding up better than Toyota RAV4. The thing with nmc batteries is that they hold up well in the first 10 years up to 80% capacity. Once it falls under that it's like dropping off a cliff. Or if one cell within the pack develops debtrites and short the cell they are not going to be able to just replace the problem cell. The whole thing is write off. With older ice cars many little things can break but they can be fixed and replaced pieces wise relatively inexpensively. And you can theoretically keep an ice car going for20-30 years as long as you maintain it properly and keep low mileage.
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  1362. BYD copies so much from Tesla there is really no differentiation and Tesla is a stronger brand. Tesla is the winner for me
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  1363.  @cutehumor  there are other benefits besides just blocking ads
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  1364.  @jamesarc8192  pretty ignorant to think you letting the ad run will continue anything to content creators income, especially you are not actually watching them thus not really influencing your purchase behavior. If everyone did this Google will lose income from companies advertising on its platforms, negatively impacting your favorite YouTubers even more long term.
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  1365. He doesn't care. China is where all the action is going to be in the next 10 years. Chinese economy will be 2X that of the US.
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  1366.  @roanelytle4579  yeah you need other EV brands besides Tesla. An industry with monopoly is not sustainable.
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  1367. I can bet Tesla will NOT achieve unsupervised FSD in the next 12 months. Even next 12 years. The Chinese will likely beat Tesla to it in the next 3 - 5 years.
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  1368.  @malcolmrickarby2313  it's not the same em radiation as cellphones. We are talking about delivering enough energy to charge kilowatts in battery. That's several times more than microwave as we know it's not good to stand too close to microwave when it's cooking. I'm not sure if automakers are willing to put enough shields in passenger compartment that will add weight to vehicles whose range are most important metric.
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  1369.  @nickmcconnell1291  You couldn't be more wrong. I've been in AI research for over 10 years, and it's amazing to see Elon Must has not a faintest grasp of fundamental difference between brute force machine learning and AGI. He is trying to apply something rudimentary and inefficient to a task that requires more flexibility and complexity in a completely different nature. You can have 1000000 trillion miles of driving data, and 100000 trillion times faster computer than 1000000 trillion NVDIA A100 GPU running in parallel training the neuro-network for 10000 trillion years, it will still not be as good as flexivility and intuition of a chimpanzee's brain. Just because the machine learning algorithm can generate realistic looking videos (which is specific task), it doesn't have flexibility of reasoning and adapbility. For example, Ask it to read emotion or vibe of the room filled with various people, it will have no clue. Human brains takes just a few exmaples (a dozen or so), and 1/10000 of energy to learn a new task. The best machine learning algorithm takes magnitude more than that. It screams bruteforce, and the real AI breakthrough doesn't come from faster chips, or more data, it will come from a more elegant architecture, and maybe years away even at academic levels. All these mad chase for FSD etc is fool's errand. I will bet 1 million dollars, FSD will not come in 2 year,s not in 10 years. Just have another analogy. Your pocket calculator can do multiplication a million times faster than you, does it mean it's smarter than you? Sure the machine learning took pocket calculator to the next level, it can do pattern recognition, and even reconstruct based on some inputs, but they are still TASK-SPECIFIC. It cannot do general learning like humans do, and and key is that it takes million times more data to learn from - meaning they cannot reason and generalize like humans. In a game, They have to be eaten by lions 100000 times in various ways before they learn to run from lions. Humans will learn it after just a couple of times even for the most stupid players.
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  1370. We still don't have FSD - nothing is "fully driving itself" yet. Yes, there were a lot of improvement, but still not good enough to fully replace human, and won't be for many years. It's easy to conquer the first 95%, it's the last 5% edge cases that's exponentially harder, and it's the last 0.1% that's almost impossible. Read my other reply, you will see what I mean. It's not just needing more data more compute etc. You need a fundamentally different architecture. Elon doesn't seem to understand this limitation. Mark Zuckerberg does.
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  1371.  @doittoit00  maybe they are doing something complex different other then traditional machine learning/ neural network in secret I'm not aware of. But so far they seem to be even behind Open AI.
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  1372.  @TheEvilmooseofdoom  any criticism on Tesla is met with this kind of personal attack. Not surprised. Time will tell. You keep holding TSLA bag
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  1373. Lead acid batteries have higher cold cranking amps. Can this battery match that?
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  1374.  @stephenbrickwood1602  agreed on household power generation. But I'm against massive solar and wind farms and massive battery arrays taking up lots of space otherwise could be forest and for wild life.
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  1375. I think small EVs will be cheaper to manufacturer as the lighter EVs are not efficient
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  1376. I think Chinese are making a statement that their cars quality is higher than European ones therefore deserve higher price. Unlike Japanese and Korean automakers started with cheap cars in the beginning, Chinese are leapfrogging.. it remains to be seen whether consumers will buy it. If not they will lower the price to gain market share for sure.
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  1377. How can they rig the rest anyway? Doesn't iihs and nhfta buy cars randomly for their crash tests
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  1378. Cybertruck over Rivian for sure. Why must all pickup trucks look the same? I think Cybertruck looks cool. Downside to Canoe pickup truck is it lacks offroad capability with such a low ground clearance. Not very practical on worksites.
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  1379. Nio is a high risk high reward stock. If risk on market makes a full come back, it will fly, otherwise it will go to zero.
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  1380. It's only just cars for now. In the future there will be more and more nice things you can have in China but not in America. Phones, VR headsets, cleaner and safer streets, perhaps even better medicine and education. That's when the power dynamics shifts as Americans want to send their kids to universities in China and learn Chinese as second language etc. The US streets will still be filled with duesel trucks, drugs and homeless setting up tents everywhere, rampant crimes. Racial divide.
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  1381. You must be kidding right? Car salesman makes same as doctors and lawyers and only need high school diploma? I think your numbers must be wrong.
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  1382. FSD is a scam, Tesla should be sued.
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  1383. ​ @colinwiseman aptena and lucid will be forgotten in 5 years
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  1384. Another key problem for low adoption rate in the US is the cost to repair. A lot of working class people in the US need cars to work. They get beaten up allot and need be repaired quickly and inexpensively. It's not the case with most of the high tech EVs.
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  1385. There is a concern about wind turbines blades being not recyclable and need to be replaced periodically.. how green is it really?
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  1386.  @paulb1951  if you mean phevs yes Toyota has a few good ones. And Bev, Nissan leaf is the only acceptable one.. do you know other good Japanese EVs?
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  1387. If you study history you will see that Japan tends to stay comfortably in one era and resist to external charges for as long as possible until it's very own survival is threatened. Then it'll pivot rather violently. It took the US gunboats showing up in Tokyo Bay to get the Meiji restoration and modernization of Japan started
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  1388.  @yo2trader539  even Thailand a poor country can support EV transition with it's grid. Japan is much richer country can't upgrade it's grid?
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  1389. Japan is ruled by seniors. They don't want any changes.
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  1390. In the mean while US government invests 5 times more in military than Chinese government and saying they are worried about China aggression etc, while China invests way more in green tech than the US.
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  1391. Sounds like BS paid PR spokesperson. What seemingly impossible? Putting a battery car together is seemingly impossible? LMAO. That's why people think Elon is genius and can solve robotaxi? LMAO. Putting together a battery car is not that hard
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  1392. WW3 will be fought between the union workers and Optimus robots.
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  1393. They still lag behind Chinese though
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  1394.  @swanvictor887  don't worry. Japan will ban Chinese imports and stick with their ice cars domestic market. They will remain in fossil age forever.
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  1395.  @stevenjones916  I think it doesn't matter. If BYD sold their cars as lower prices they will still not buy it simply because it's Chinese brand. It will actually reinforce negative perception on Chinese brand if they are priced too low.
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  1396.  @greghudson9717  my point exactly. It's going to take a long time for the perception to shift or it requires a huge technological leap like if Chinese brand achieved FSD before Tesla does for example then it'll probably convert a lot of Chinese haters into believers.
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  1397. While I agree that hydrogen cars are dead-end, I cringe the argument made by Sam who sounds like a 5 year old child without any logical brain. How can you argue that just because it costs more to fuel hydrogen NOW it will still be in the FUTURE? Any new technology is expensive in the beginning, and tends to lower the cost as adoption spread. If you want to make a convincing argument, you should give reason why you think it's infeasible for hydrogen to compete with batteries in foreseable future in terms fo cost and infrastrucutre. Your crude argument makes EV crowd look silly and illogical bunch of religious followers.
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  1398.  @bennygustafsson9580  I own geely stock. I think because of Volvo it has a better access to the US market than other Chinese EV brands.
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  1399. Studies like this ignore the issues of individual differences. Some people are comfortable with 18C setting, while others wants 25C+ to be toasty warm. That will make HUGE difference in energy usage in -10 below external temperature. With ICE cars, the temperature settings at 18 or 26 dont change fuel usage as the waste heat as byproduct of burning fuel far exceeds the heating needs of interior. But with EVs, lower temperature setting no doubt will conserve the range. Heat pumps don't make much difference when temperature is -20, and you want interior to be 25.
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  1400. I had this idea for a while actually. EVs tend to be less efficient in higher speeds gear reduction could improve highway mileage without using high end expansive motors. It doesn't need 5 speed, just 2 speed is sufficient. One for city diving, one for highway
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  1401.  @williammeek4078  I know that torque curve for electric motors are broader, but there is still a limit as higher RPM causes more friction and heat. i think a main concern for adding even a simple transmission is the weight and added complexity to vehicle. But it would be interesting to see if there is a trade off that works, as well as adding fun factor for drrivers.
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  1402. I blame this on lack of choices. Everyone is trying to copy Tesla s design cues, stuck on tablet, flush door handles, touch sensitive buttons. They only appeal to those technophiles and early adopters. To teach main stream you need to have EVs with more traditional designs.
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  1403.  @scottbreseke716  you are comparing apples to oranges :p
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  1404. Efficiency is over-rated. The more kenetic efficient it is, the more constrast you will feel when it's -15C cold outside, and towing a heavy load. The heat consumption will take higher percentage the more kenetic efficient it is. IMO, the energy density is more important. Who cares about efficiency if you can pack 10x more energy in the same size battery?
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  1405. @zhaowei3025  plenty. Xiaomi and zeekr are my personal favorites but there are many more
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  1406. Somethings are real, something are hype. Usually most people either fall into two categories believing in all hype, or skeptical about everything new. The truth is batteries are real, EVs are viable, and taking over ICE cars. AI and Tesla FSD is hype. Humanoid robots are hype, long long way to go before they become commercially viable. Bitcoin and crypto are real, not hype.
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  1407.  @incognitotorpedo42  There is a big class divide in the US, and also geographical divide as well.
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  1408. You would buy a BYD or Zeekr if you had choice.
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  1409. Chinese owns the EV market for the foreseeable future.. I can see the West either rolling back their 2035 goal and stay in the fossil age in order to counter Chinese dominance or make nice with China.
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  1410. Tesla builds iPad on wheels. Not something I want
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  1411. Even 12 year old Tesla model S batteries have over 85% capacity. These newer EVs will last at least twice longer
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  1412. My first EV was Tesla model s. I bought 3 more EVs none of them were Tesla again. I'll never buy another Tesla except cyber truck because there is nothing like it.
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  1413.  @jamie-ck6js  true but that's simply inexcusable incompetence of current EV industry. In theory EV chargers are fraction of cost of gas stations and delivering electricity to changing stations is far cheaper and safer than moving tons of flammable liquid fuels by trucks. Most of charging stations fail because of overly complicated payments and activation schemes and the fragmentation of providers wants you to sign up with their account and apps. This is really absurd and inexcusable.
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  1414. The US is the most corrupt country where government and businesses team up to screw consumers.
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  1415. I think Chinese auto makers are making a secret - under the table deal with EU legacy autos - ie. let us survive in our home turf, we will make cars in China and export back to Europe.
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  1416. Sensible comment. Those who thinks FSD will fully replace human eyes are clueless. They bought into too much Elon's hype and lies, thus inflated TSLA stock. They will be bag holders for the next 10 years.
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  1417. Battery energy densitiy will never be nearly as good as nuclear, not even close, and won't even be as good as fossil fuel. Battery is nothing new either, it's just a comprise solution for zero emission cars.
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  1418.  @incognitotorpedo42  I never said AI is useless. I said Tesla's approach to AI is fool's errands.
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  1419. Maybe by 10-15 k. Not much more
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  1420. Stats are misleading. Human accident rates are largely contributed by careless, drunk, distracted drivers. A perfectly alert, focused drivers are far far safer than "average" drivers, so the AI should aim to beat a good, sober, focused drivers rather than strive for just average accident rates that includes mostly drunk and distracted drivers.
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  1421.  @rxcited  yeah true. But what I'm saying is that FSD should not compare itself to bad, drunk and distracted human drivers. As soon as it beats the average it calls job done. It's only good though if it can match accident rates by only sober and non distracted drivers. I'm not sure such statistics are possible
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  1422.  @rxcited  if you include drink driver accidents as benchmark for FSD then you are setting a lower bar for the AI system. Is that what you want?
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  1423.  @rxcited  however there is just one problem. Everyone thinks they are better than mediocre average driving skills. Few people will use it unless FSD really as good as expert drivers. It's just somewhere between a drunk driver and a good driver, it'll only be a assistance feature, no one will feel comfortable relinquish full control
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  1424.  @erktrek  sure it'll be expensive but it comes down to our priorities. Environment or economics.
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  1425.  @erktrek  sometimes if we are lucky, but not always true. Sometimes we have to make sacrifices.
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  1426.  @elinys2843  I'm not saying hydrogen is the answer. I'm just saying that current battery technology is not good enough. Hydrogen is one possible alternative. There could be others but we'll see. We must not be dogmatic and constraint choices only to electric. Be more open minded
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  1427.  @bigmacdaddy1234  no but you should because you can't read
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  1428.  @bigmacdaddy1234  yeah I stand by my statement that Tesla uses misleading marketing name FSD but I didn't say anything about reeducation of people working on the FSD you need to learn how to read basic English.
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  1429. Not every company can secure battery supply like Tesla does.. So how can they commit 100% to EVs when they don't aren't even able to secure supply chain for their production? Phevs are their next best option.
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  1430.  @BrentonSmythesfieldsaye  It is a legit one. Currently, only the Chinese companies can get enough batteries, but under the current political pressure, Ford / GM, and European legacy autos don't really want to risk too much partnering with the Chinese.
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  1431.  @BrentonSmythesfieldsaye  good points but how do you suggest they compete with Chinese EV makers who receive massive government subsidies from CCP?
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  1432. Sick of ugly pickup trucks. Why do Americans love these hideous things
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  1433. China better fix stuff like this or they will always be associated with low morality.
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  1434. EV industry world wide will face downturn in the next 5 years. Only a few will survive
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  1435. Cyber truck still do well in the middle east
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  1436. it's just an inverter?
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  1437. If the software is not open source it cannot be trusted
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  1438. Big assumption that FSD will ever achieve level 4 or 5 in thsi decade or next. The current brute force machine learning seems to be running into a dead end. Millions of miles of driving data, and it still makes dumb mistakes? whereas, hundreds of miles of driving practice for a tiny human brain can do better than tens of thousands of NVDIA N100 AI chips? It's not lack of compute or data, it's the wrong algorithm.
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  1439. Maybe 30% likely
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  1440.  @chris27gea58  depreciation also depends on reliability and longevity of vehicle. Even mass produced vehicles like Camry and RAV4 hold up value better than EVs because they cost less to maintain and repair. Buyers of used vehicles have to consider how much is it going to cost me to fix it if something goes wrong. The sad thing about the current EV designs are focused on high tech and flashy gimmicks that will either break or be obsolete in a few years. Not to mention in a few years a brand new battery design might make the current batteries obsolete and depreciate current EVs also. Owning an out of warranty EV is a gamble. Owning an out of warranty Land cruiser or even RAV4 you can sleep well at night.
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  1441.  @timfehlberg9051  I own a phev and 95% of my miles are pure EV mode. If you own a phev and only use EV mode 50% of time you should reconsider
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  1442. Most of EVs especially Tesla requires repairs at dealer or Tesla service center, you can't do it at any third party shops. Tesla would inflate repair cost to bill insurance companies. If the car is covered by Tesla insurance, then Tesla shops would use the cheapest way to repair. Shady business practice indeed
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  1443. It's really misleading to only compare mileage. It goes to show how uneducated most people are how EV batteries age vs ICE. Since there is no moving parts in batteries, it doesn't really matter how many miles driven. It makes sense for Tesla warranty battery by number of years, not on mileage. EV batteries degrades on calendar aging, and charging cycles, depth of charging and discharging, and temperatures in which it is charging, and frequency of fast charging etc many factors. It's absolutely pointless just give a mileage number and people go WOW. It is yet to be seen how LONG current battery can last in terms of age in number of years if maintained properly? I've seen some ICE miltary vehicles lasting well over 50 years. I doubt any batteries can go more than 15 years at current technology.
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  1444. Toyota can talk the talk.
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  1445. All these data centers doing useless AI stuff is completely waste and fool's errands. The current AI method is so in efficient it's pretty much brute force pattern recognition. There is no intelligence.
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  1446. It's pretty dumb if it can't even self drive with 50k Nvidia super chips.
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  1447.  @travisjazzbo3490  dumb dumb dumb. If the car can't drive itself it only gives false sense of security and get distracted
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  1448.  @travisjazzbo3490  My point is Tesla is on the wrong path to full autonomy if it throws all that brute compute power on it, it still can't do it. Their models are wrong.
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  1449.  @darylfoster7944  You can say the same thing about smoking. Clearly, it's smokers fault, after all, cigarrette companies gives clear warnings about dangers of smoking.
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  1450.  @hwirtwirt4500  Musk is more an optimistic naive child than a conman. Sadly, many actually think he is genius because he was able to put batteries and electric motors together and attach a tablet onto it.
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  1451. 80% of jobs are already redundant. Or producing very little value to humanity at all. These jobs are only kept up keep these workers happy and feel sense of purpose. I was one of them and quit my job as I saw no meaning in it nor did it contribute anything meaningful to humanity. If you are in a mind numbing job just quit it and think what you want to do with your life and find your passion. It's better not just for yourself but for the society in general
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  1452. How expensive is it to setup connections to the home? Is it worth it financially? If you just want backup power isn't a lfp battery at home much cheaper?
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  1453. The key word is "almost" It's not how many successful drives it does, it's the one failure when you are not paying attention to intervene in time that truly matters.
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  1454.  @RandyP-jr1ek  as long as you don't let it make you complacent and stop paying attention while using FSD. Otherwise it undoes all the good it's supposed to do
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  1455.  @openzuing  Bot account woudn't choose such a name.
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  1456. ​ @EdgewiseSJ yes but it's not possible anytime soon.. maybe in 20 years
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  1457. How come legacy auto companies have to deal with Union and Tesla and rivian don't?
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  1458. The right wing supporters won't buy Tesla either. They prefer traditional German symbols
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  1459. No one will want to buy overpriced, inferior quality American cars. Even cheap Chinese cars are 100x better than Ford and GM.
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  1460.  @adrianthoroughgood1191  not that far from China, where allegedly there is an overcapacity of EVs.
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  1461.  @davelloyd-  I don't get your rural comment. Rural folks are usually property owners. How is it now difficult for them to install L2: chargers then city home owners?
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  1462.  @davelloyd-  Agreed. Rural folks might benefit from PHEVs, and farm equipment should all be electrified as there is no range issue and will save a lot of running cost for farmers.
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  1463.  @Leo555ZZZ  I don't people are as educated or aware as you think. Most of them are emotional creatures. They are emotionally attached to the sound and vibration of ice.
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  1464.  @amg3078  yup it's expensive to drive a sports car if you seriously want to race in it. Damages are expected and routine.
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  1465. Pretty much all other EVs or PHEVs had blended regen braking, except for Tesla - because Tesla cheaped it out, and forcing users to use one pedal driving if you wanted to recoup energy. Finally they caught up to Chevy Bolt EV. Congrats Tesla for being 7 years late.
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  1466. Americans still use imperial system, and still have gun law that is 200 years old. I'm not surprised.
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  1467. Gigacast method reduces manufacturing cost, but increases repair cost if damaged in an accident. Instead of replacing a couple of small parts, the whole big single piece part need to be replaced
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  1468. Landlord is the most difficult job. Don't ever do it.. Easier to make money in stock market than being landlord.
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  1469.  @ronmorrell9809  in the cold Canadian winter you need at least 2kw just to run the furnace blower. If you have heat pump, bump it to 5k
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  1470. The fact that he asked Tesla to fix this with software update indicates how ignorant he is. Why not make the car fly with software update as if "software update" is some kind of magic.
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  1471. It's funny The West block Chinese EVs, while Chinese consumers embrace the only good Western EV brand Tesla.
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  1472. I disagree about Japan. Japan will be the worst EV adoption possibly even lagging behind the US
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  1473.  @rsmonge  We don't make decisions only based on numbers alone, it's too simple minded. If nuclear power plants are so safe on paper causes less fatalities than natural gas plants, why aren't we building nuclear plants like crazy? Not in most democratic countries at least. It's because when it does fail, it can be catastrophic, many magnitude worse than when a coal or natural gas power plants fail or leaks polution. Back to Self-Driving cars. Any statistics about fatalities are based on past history, it doesn't tell you about any future black swan events. Because all cars of a given brand use the same software. If there were to be a bug or malicious hacker causes all cars to misbehave deadly ways all at same time, it will be 10 million accidents and 1 million deaths on that day alone, causing a spike anomaly in your statistics chart. Humans are more resilient as we are a distributed system, everyone has a different brain. Though humans are not perfect on individual basis, but it is nearly impossible for all humans to make deadly mistakes all at once, at same time.
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  1474. That's ok. I've already stopped working for 10 years, and full time investor. No AI / robot will replace investing, even AI can't predict the future.
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  1475. Farasis energy batterries are the lowest quality. Mercedes thought no one would notice them using cheap batteries because of their brand image. Backfired! Greedy Mercedes management.
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  1476. Tesla is pretty far away from robotaxi also. They all are doing fool's errands. The current AI approach (machine learning) will not be able to ever achieve full autonomy, level 4 or more. Tesla should have enough data to complete the training by now if their AI algorithm was correct. The fact is that it is not.
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  1477. Just reckless to rely on unproven technology to put lives of others at risk. If you have poor vision you should not be driving at night, FSD still requires interventions.. Your license should be revoked and reported to police
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  1478.  @thomaswilson2917  them too is not an argument
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  1479.  @thomaswilson2917  Distracted humans, intoxicated humans, intentionally causing harm humans don't count.
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  1480.  @britbazza3568  EVs are not crap.. Charging infrastructure is
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  1481.  @Ryan-ff2db  I don't see why salt water batteries should cost more? It's just salt and water, should cost way less than high pressurized hydrogen tank? I'm baffled...
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  1482.  @Ryan-ff2db  So in theory salt water batteries should cost less and more robust than nickle hydrogen battery at scale then.. The reason NASA developed nickle hydrogen batteries is mainly long cycle life as you cannot easily replace batteries in space. But for grid applications, salt water batteries can easily be replaced at very low cost once the infrastructure is setup, you just need to replace salt water! So it's no a brainer.
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  1483.  @billcichoke2534  obviously you are anti renewable. Why are you so against trying to be good to environment and keep the existing polluting energy systems?
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  1484.  @JohnBoen  It's bit of a stretch to use EVs as mobile energy storage when we are still struggling to build out basic charging infrastructure let alone reverse vehicle to grid connections. some older homes need complete panel upgrades and even thicker transmission lines to allow /v2g connection.
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  1485.  @JohnBoen  Nah.. Average people aren't really aware of the battery degradation. They will use their EVs to make money if V2G infrastructures are setup conviniently. Most poeple are short sighted especially ones need extra money, just look how many Uber / delivery drivers there are using their own vehicles not aware that their gig economy income barely covers their car's maintenance and depreciation if at all.
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  1486.  @JohnBoen  Correct. Might I also add that people who lease their vehicles will take full advantage of this. Maybe car makers / dealerships will respond in the future by limiting charge / discharge cycles in addition to mileage on odometer for EVs if this becomes a widespread thing.
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  1487. Everyone thought Japanese were the smartest people on the planet went all in on hydrogen, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, even the prime minister himself supported the idea... Another snartest people Germans BMW ventured into hydrogen as well though not nearly as committed as Japan.
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  1488. Koreans make superficially attractive products, but underlying technology is garbage, riddled with problems and unreliability. I had terrible experience with Samsung phones as well. If a Chinese brand was leading Android instead of Samsung, the whole Android ecosystem would have faired better compared to it now losing shares to iOS. Too bad the Western brains have bias favoring Korean over Chinese.
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  1489. Many people will buy it simply because it's a Mercedes and it's German. No matter how much better Chinese EVs are, they will never consider a Chinese brand. that's how it is.
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  1490. Does it take urine as fuel?
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  1491. I think EV hype is over-hyped. All these automakers invested heavily in EVs will see negative returns. Sure EVs will eventually replace ICE cars, but it will take longer than projected, and this will cause stocks to sell off.
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  1492. BMW tries too hard to copy Tesla. Flush door handles, stuck on tablet screen, nothing to do with electrification. But it didn't fix their ugly oversized kidney grill. When will Germans learn to put practicality and reliability before styling trends?
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  1493.  @LEA82345  easy to cherry pick. Your Euro superiority complex is obvious. But history has shown that Asians make better and more reliable cars than over engineered, over priced, German trash for decades.
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  1494.  @user-kc1tf7zm3b  not really. Japan makes the best petrol cars. Germany makes the best of nothing.
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  1495.  @user-kc1tf7zm3b  if I had to buy a petrol car today I'd get Mazda 3 over golf any day.
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  1496. Yeah but can you take a nap and let FSD drive the whole trip?
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  1497. Message to Japan: copy and paste can only get you so far.
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  1498. When the shorts capitulate, it's time the stock price has peaked. TSLA will go down from here. Now the TSLA stock is now only propped by the hype of FSD and optimus robots. They will disappoint. Stock will tank
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  1499. Americans don't want Chinese cars. They have prejudice thinking inferior quality and safety standard , exploding BYDs etc.
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  1500. Can America or Europe ever come up with affordable EVs on their own like those already in China?
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  1501. It has to do with Teslas right to repair issues. Repair cost of Tesla is very high because they don't allow third party shops to repair or even sell parts to anyone other than their own repair centers
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  1502.  @krakken-  I'm not talking about the US. EU = Europe.
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  1503. boring
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  1504. Japan doesn't care about that. They already made it clear by dumping radioactive water into the sea.
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  1505. Think all the money those ivy League universities in the West are spending on those tenure professors for decades can't even compete with an EV manufacturer in China most people never even heard of
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  1506.  @vancity2349  Is that a bad thing? To consumers they get their money's worth. Most people still see Toyota as highest quality and reliability standard in automotive industry, putting aside ICE / EV debate. I wish there was an EV company more focused on quality and reliability than just flashy gizmos and profits while cutting corners wherever they can like Tesla. If there is a fault, Tesla just say "it's no big deal, we'll fix it at some point in the future with software update". No Get it Right From Day One, or Don't release that feature!. instead of promises that will never come who knows in what year in distant future. Maybe some Chinese brands like BYD or Geely comes close to Toyota in terms of quality and build and finish, but too bad they aren't allowed in North America.
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  1507.  @matthewryonadams  So Americans benefited from cheap Chinese labor for decades, now they are moving up the value chain all of the sudden you are panicking. You underestimated Chinese innovation, thinking all they are capable of is doing cheap manual labor and make cheap dollarstore and walmart stuff. Surprise surprise, they are surpassing you in EV, solar panels, and soon AI, chips and biotech as well in the next 10 years.
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  1508. I thought the world was supposed to be cutting dependency array from China. What if China insides Taiwan tomorrow? VW goes bankrupt?
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  1509.  @sergiomomesso1590  you think Western media are not government controlled? Try say anything anti Israel or Ukraine on CNN you get cancelled immediately
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  1510.  @Texarmageddon  I agree in short term EV demand will likely to take a pause. Just look at shares of EV stocks tanking and Toyota shares soaring.
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  1511. BMW can say whatever they want but it won't fix their ugliness
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  1512.  @davidnorton5887  not really true. There are still many unsafe cars in production today by well known brands.
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  1513.  @sender5804  I'm not talking about BMW stock. I was choosing between x5 and XC90 and was surprised a $100k BMW X5 SUV didn't even pass crash test. Stock picking is difficult, who knows what future will hold. But I think a lot of people just assume because it's a premium class car, safety is a given, but often is not true.
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  1514.  @kng128  exactly. Tesla is removing all the physical buttons and stalls and even instrument clusters just to save cost but trying to pass it to consumers as some minimalist fashion statement.
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  1515. That's too bad. The US is not as capable as Chinese
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  1516.  @pontiuspirate1925  You should try Zeekr or Nio, they are the true premium brands. MG and BYD are economy class cars.
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  1517. It all comes down to the price. It being a "Japanese", though crappier in specs and quality compared to Chinese EVs. They will still charge a premium just because of the perceived "Japanese superiority".
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  1518. Rivian will soon be making PHEVs with vw diesel engines in them
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  1519.  @eaglestar2962  I agree on pollution part. But the cost of fueling depends on how many miles you drive and depreciation of EVs still up in the air.
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  1520.  @eaglestar2962  high repair cost is the main reason EVs depreciate fast. The newer and flashier the tech the more expensive the repairs are. For an EV to be competitive with old ice cars is not just more tech, but more reliability and robustness and repairability not just by the manufacturer but easily done by any mechanic.
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  1521. No you are the one totally missing Chinese strategy. They don't want to eliminate Tesla. They want to assimilate it. Tesla and many other foreign brands will relocate their HQs and key human resources to China
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  1522.  @amosbatto3051  You are seeing the present. You are not seeing the future.
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  1523. Geo fenced
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  1524. As a Canadian I'm ashamed of Freeland
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  1525.  @richardgrant418  almost all of them. BMW ix vs X5. Volvox XC90 vs ex90 etc.
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  1526.  iscadean  ignorant comment
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  1527.  @richardgrant418  heater drains way more than AC. AC is not essential for survival. But heater is
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  1528.  @4literv6  monetary incentives
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  1529.  @StormyDog  I bet you baby your Tesla in the warmth of your garage. I only have a driveway no garage. I learned the hard way that never leave it plugged in over night in winter or charge port can get frozen shut too and you will be late for work.
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  1530.  @erik5820  it's hard to pick. For example i wanted rivian for it's high ground clearance but its door handles are flush. Im just saying majority of EVs now seem to follow the same design philosophy that is not giving consumer wide choices. Maybe cyber truck I hope is rugged enough. your country must have a good snow plow service. Here in Canada they sometimes leave a huge pile of snow right in front of your driveway you have to shovel it before you can drive your car out unless it's a Jeep or truck with higher ground clearance you can just drive over the snow hump. Norway also has good charging infrastructure so most people can charge car at work or train station, so less range anxiety for running heater in cold weather
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  1531.  @erik5820  again it's got nothing to do with ice car or EVs. Except it's easier to find ice cars with higher ground clearance. For instance I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee it could easily just drove over the snow hump in emergency when I didn't have time to push the snow. But there are much fewer EVs choices with high ground clearance because they all want to maximize aerodynamic and range. I'm not against EVs just wish they made not choices for cold climate. If you look at BMW ix vs X5, Volvo ex90 vs xc,90 etc.. all of them EV version of SUVs have such low ground clearance compared to ice equivalent. If ground clearance was important to you it's difficult for one to choose EV simply for that reason
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  1532.  @robertwhite3503  not in Canada. Many Canadian homes don't have garage compared to the warmer US to the south. American homes are also bigger on average. If owning an EV means you must have your own garage for heating and charging, how is it good for environment? That means average EV owners have a detached home with a garage and have much more carbon footprint than those living in apartments
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  1533.  @StormyDog  even in an unheated garage it's better than outside. At least the charging cable won't have danger of frozen to the car or covered with ice. I seen a cut charging cable at a charging station in my area. I asked worker inside store what happened . Apparently someone was charging the overnight and he couldn't unplug it because low temperature made the release pin inside freeze. They had to choice but to cut it
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  1534. I had an two EVs but currently I have a XC90 phev. 95% of miles are EV mode. But on those really bad winter days I know there will be freezing rain or heavy snow I don't plug in and I can use ice engine on those days only or other emergencies. So for those who bashing phevs, you don't know the harsh conditions some of us have to endure it's easy to criticize when you are sitting comfortably in warm Australia and California
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  1535.  @capnkirk5528  I never said you can't drive EV in the cold of course you can. It just doesn't last as long as in mild climate and you are always worried about using too much heat to drain battery, so you end up sacrifice your comfort. So you are telling me you don't find -10 cold, you consider -40 cold living in Canada. Congratulations you are good with cold. But it shouldn't be a requirement for owning an EV in cold climate. I don't feel I have to skimp on heating just because I'm driving an EV. I find 18 degrees cold. I always set internal temperature to 26-27 to be comfortable. With gas cars it's not an issue as just recycle a waste heat. In an EV, setting temperature to 26 instead of 18 can reduce range by 40%
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  1536. It's century of humiliation reversed. It's funny we don't hear Western mainstream media report this
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  1537. What a dumb guy. He could have made the same profit by shorting Tesla stock without any of these hassle and risk getting sued.
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  1538.  @huemann7637  I think they are building more power plants both nuclear and conventional as well as world's largest supply of solar and wind equipment. I don't worry about infrastructure part of China.
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  1539. @EnriqueThiele True. Europe is doing a lot better than America. Mainly due to availability of choices - they have Chinese imports, and many affordable brands. I worry mostly North American markets, dominated by just Tesla - no Chinese imports here, no affordable EVs, limited choices, also horrible infrastructure. What happens when government subsidies and incentives run out? It's not going to last forever. In the end, EVs need to be price competitive, not just as new cars, but also longevity and reliability as well. Currently, a major downside of owning older EVs are repair cost. The way Tesla is doing business is not making them like disposable items, not giving third party shops ability to repair older Teslas. For now, it helps their bottom line, but in long run, it may affect older Tesla's resale value, and suvsequently, new buyers.
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  1540. nikola 2.0
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  1541. According to the American media, China's economy is in toilet. How could this be?
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  1542. ​ @Brian-om2hh Volvo is still keeping a lineup of phevs in case full EV transition is delayed. Very smart strategy.
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  1543.  @yulusleonard985  phevs are generally not heavier than Bev equivalent
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  1544. People buying Tesla are mostly for the technology. Like most of tech gadgets they are only good for about 2 years , after which it's obsolete and they will want the newer latest tech.. as long as it doesn't rust away in that time period, it doesn't concern most Tesla buyers
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  1545. Toyata fanboys like reliability. Tesla fanboys like technology. BMW fanboys like performance and handling. Different flavours for different folks. I do wish Tesla improve more on reliability and robustness and get rid some of its flashy useless gimmicks and be more practical for users, not just to impress technophiles.
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  1546. Can the West ever electrify transportation without the help of China? Trump is going to pressure all the US allies to ban Chinese EVs and EV components
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  1547. It's doing well because of questionable business practices. FSD for example is a fraud. How can they call it FSD when it's not?? It falsely mislead many users into false sense if security and caused many accidents due to misuse.
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  1548. All these western companies like to create fantastic prototypes and concepts to attract VC funds with no real life practical prospects while the Chinese firms are creating the real down to earth innovations and dominating the market place.
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  1549. Doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, FSD will fail. Its foundation is flawed. If you can't train the system after 1 million miles, you will never achieve full generalized autonomy.
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  1550. Never thought of that.. Brits are cunning indeed!
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  1551. A lot of EV sales surge in October is pull forward in anticipation of Trump victory - he is going to remove tax credit thing..
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  1552. I don't think Tesla is able to mass produce cyber truck. They don't have enough capacity for larger battery packs
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  1553.  @tysonn4736  what if Tesla goes bankrupt. Tesla cars become undrivable? I'm against centralization. The fact that your car is constantly connected to the Tesla data server and can be disabled with just one command sent from it should make you think do you really own this car? A hacker or a disgruntled employee were to sabotage this vulnerability yet to happen but remains a danger.. If Tesla were to put this on a block chain and make its software open source to allow users and outside developers to scrutinize and modify then I'll buy it.. Otherwise they are just copying the obsolete walled garden metrology from apple.
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  1554.  @tysonn4736  true. I'm all for electric cars but not computer on wheels. Especially that computer is connected to a corporate overlord that can control your car at will
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  1555.  @tysonn4736  oh for many many reasons my naive friend
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  1556. Chinese cars are simply better quality than Germans and Tesla. Why shouldn't they command higher price?
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  1557. BMW = big money waster
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  1558. This is just the beginning of China's dominance in tech. Now it's only the EV batteries. Soon it will be computers, AI, medicine etc. People in the West will want to move to China to escape their drug and crime infested neighbourhoods, to China where not only has cleaner air, less crimes, may also offer better healthcare some day. That day will come sooner than you think unless the West, especially the US stops its arrogance of imposing their values on other cultures such as China.
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  1559. Toyota is going to win because it's under the protection of the US of A
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  1560. I think legacy autos will shrink but not going to completely disappear due to the stubborn NA markets, there will always be some people wanting ICE cars in Murica. The 2030, 2035 targets will be pushed back thanks to democratic processes in Murica. In Europe and China EV adoption will be close to 100% by 2030, but in Murica and Japan, ICE cars will be for a long time to stay.
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  1561.  @thechurrrlesling  conspiracy theory probably
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  1562. Battery will calendar age regardless. Not changing to 100% will extend it but it will still degrade with time no matter how careful you are.
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  1563. I don't think so. Solar sales are crashing globally.
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  1564.  @LinzDubNZ  Check all the solar stocks, enphase for example. they gave really weak guidance for the next year.
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  1565. People don't really care about safety at much as they should.. Just look at Volvo sales languishing...
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  1566. Launching rockets, EVs aren't new and all that so called genius guy did was to make it more economical and mass production scale. It's far cry from trying to solve one if not THE most difficult problem of all time - re-create consciousness and human intelligence.
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  1567. When you use brake pedal, does it not use regen first before the actual brake pads?
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  1568. In that case that's the point of one pedal during? I'd rather just brake when I need to. It's easier than less car sick
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  1569.  @tomconrad7091  sure. Built them in remote locations. Then you run into the same problem of transmission the point viking was arguing against nuclear.
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  1570.  @samguest8165  you didn't even read the whole comment
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  1571.  @RS-303  That would be pathetic..
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  1572. The union is not really breaking any rules. That's what they do. Whether or not unions are still good for employees that's another question.
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  1573. Will the ban include phev as well?
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  1574. US startups just make claims and powerpoint slides to get investor money then go quest.
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  1575.  @sergiomomesso1590  Volvo
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  1576.  @3184Patrick  anecdotal. Just Google the Hyundai recalls and LG chem batteries fires. You got lucky that's all
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  1577.  @gandmemoney  Warranty comes with conditions, such as minor user caused damages void the warranty. A reputable brand such as Toyota has the least warranty, but in reality they last the longest.
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  1578. Tesla will never put fossil fuel engines in their vehicles. Dream on
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  1579. Big deal. I had adaptive headlight in 2017 e-Golf. Tesla often lags behind in these basic features with reason being let's wait for software update. Why don't they just put in these features from the beginiing by default? It's very old and established functions in many European cars already. Nothing new.
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  1580. That's the hope.. Smaller EVs are the future. But Elon seems distracted by other things than Tesla these days.
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  1581.  @furry_homunculus  that's true. BMW ice engines don't really have as nice sound as American muscle cars or even Mercedes for that matter.
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  1582.  @beautifulgirl219  well, human emotions are a powerful thing. Without political support, democracies won't adopt nuclear as much as dictatorship nations like China.. Are you saying now that democracy is inferior because masses aren't logical and decisions should be left for experts only?
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  1583.  @beautifulgirl219  Good luck doing that. All I'm pointing out is that human emotions are irrational. People who are afraid of heights will always avoid flying even though they know it' perfectly safe. Even if you succeed in educating the masses about the safety of nuclear power, they still don't want any nuclear plants near their neighbourhood. Perhaps they will be built in remote locations, but the transmission loss will be great. Still better than fossil fuels IMO.
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  1584. Why does BYD prices in Europe so high? Even Compared to places like Australia?
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  1585. Kudos to California. It should totally just leave the US, and become its own country, so it can import Chinese EVs without being dragged down by other backward looking states like Michigan and Montana.
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  1586. Looks good but flimsy Korean car quality.
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  1587. I wonder why American consumers still keep buying garbage American brands like Ford and Dodge. Gullible or patriotism
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  1588. EV demand has definitely slowed.. EV market share is still increasing but at slower rate. The first wave of EV enthusiasts have already bought. The next wave is to convince general public that is much harder in democratic countries.
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  1589. For now. Trump will impose tariffs on anything anyone if it threatens the US interests.
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  1590. Don't sweat it.. karma will come back to bite America.
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  1591. Everyone knows China made Tesla are higher quality than America made
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  1592.  @PropanePete  Chinese Nio can do it, I'm sure genius Elon musk can figure it out. Or maybe it should use dojo to figure it out
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  1593.  @justaskin8523  Tesla has exploded while parked also. What's your point? China EV quality range widely as they have hundreds of brands. Good and bad. Many fossil fueled BMWs have caught fire while parked also way more actually then EVs. I don't see the US banning all German cars?
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  1594.  @justaskin8523  the only way to get people up adopt EVs is government tax the gasoline to a point that'd more expensive to drive a gas car then EV
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  1595.  @philspencelayh5464  I agree. In the mean time I think phevs are the best solution
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  1596.  @PC-vq5ud  but will cost more to repair even it's old and out of warranty
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  1597. Copying Tesla stuck on tablet distraction.
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  1598. useful when you go to an area with unreliable charging infrastructure.
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  1599.  @archiefleming652  you only need to get enough charge to move to athe next fast charging station. For example if you stay at a hotel without destination charger, you can at least get some solar charge to continue your travel to the next charger.
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  1600. Tesla is really getting old and the old business model of walled garden just like apple monopoly. It's not for people, but only for profit and shareholders. Bitcoin is the future. No CEO, no board. Purely distributed network of democratized financial freedom.
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  1601. Russia and Saudi are 100x worse
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  1602. @markbury2094  I'm not missing the point. I totally get it. Read my comment again
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  1603. Past one year performance of Toyota stock outperformed Tesla. So it's doing something right despite its backward stance.
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  1604.  @fredbloggs5902  I heard you the first time
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  1605.  @fredbloggs5902  reported you to spamming
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  1606. Pathetic Germans and Japanese government trying to hard to cling on to fossil fuel.
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  1607. Let's face it guys. Trump is going to win, and EV revolution is cancelled in America.
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  1608. What I don't understand is why can't an American company build LFP batteries or any of its Western allies?
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  1609.  @drunvert  Wrong. Electricity can be easily made available for all. Renewalbles are getting really cheap.
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  1610.  @philipmason9537  I doubt it. Charging infrastructure is improving over time. Petty crimes won't stop adoption. There are petty crimes on gas cars too - catalytic converter thefts. Security measures can be added to deter these types of crimes. EV chargers can be added to apartment parking lots, public chargers now can charge 80% or 500km of range in 10 minutes - this is available now only in China, but will be for rest of the world in a couple of years.
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  1611.  @yo2trader539  cherry picking. Every endeavor comes with challenges. Nothing is straight forward easy. The difference being electricity can be generated cleanly and renewable. Fossil fuel can't and has finite supply.
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  1612. ​ @yo2trader539  Wrong. China is building new coal plants to support growing factories. Their 1st and 2nd tier cities residential and EV charging are nearly all supported by renewalbles. These new coal plants are far away from urban population centres and only operate 30 - 50% of time when renewables are not enough and factories are actually running. With economic slump in China, I think most of these coal plants won't be operating for long. Even coal plants have much better filtration systems than your ICE car can ever carry. This removes pretty much all nitrogen oxide a known carcinogen. Your ICE cars run right next to people walking, jogging, and breathing the air, whereas coal plants are further away from irban centers. With the cost of solar panels come down, continuously, it's matter of time, the old coal plants will all be replaced by renewables.
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  1613. I don't think it's by choice. Toyota and other Japanese auto makers are descerately wanting to catch up to EVs but they simply unable to. Look at Mazda MX30 EV embarassment, and Toyota bz4x, lacking in quality and innovation. Japanese companies simply lack the ability to innovate, due to its backward culture and structure.
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  1614.  @st-ex8506  if you get a minor fender bender
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  1615.  @brunopadovani7347  not necessarily. 5% error could be detrimental. It's like if a taxi driver runs red light 5% of time he is useless. If an assembly line robot connects the wrong cable and short out the circuit board 5% of time it's still too many. Moreover the errors AI makes are the ones humans rarely make and they seem ridiculously obvious to humans but can confuse AI somehow. It makes the problem so much harder to qualify control
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  1616. With access to so many high quality, inexpensive Chinese EVs, Chris chooses Ioniq 5? I'm scratching my head...
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  1617.  @b4804514  running the cords that will trip pedastrians and electricute them if short circuited.
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  1618.  @ouethojlkjn  Negative, it takes even longer to register and rent a car. Uber may be faster, but still can take 10+ minutes for drivers to arrive. Whereas having your own reliable vehicle can handle emergencies much more speedily. Especially if it is medical in nature.
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  1619.  @ouethojlkjn  you are making so many excuses. Of course any car can break down and have accidents, flat tires etc. but, with everything else being equal, in an emergency, ice cars can refuel faster and more conveniently than EVs period. As for calling ambulance I'm not going to argue with you case by case but it doesn't have to be your own emergency, it could be your relatives or friend in the next town you want to rush over to see them on hospital bed before passing for example. Whatever I'm not going to go over million different hypothetical examples you get my point. With all bring equal you have to go farther in a pinch when EV just happens to be low in battery it's going to take much longer to refuel.
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  1620.  @seenghuatting4566  you are not getting it. It doesn't matter exactly what type of emergency it can happen that you have to go out of town in a pinch. I'll just give you one example your parents are dying and they are 100 km away, your EV has only 50km left. The nearest fast charger is 10 minutes away in the opposite direction . You are screwed. It could be personal emergency, business opportunities. it doesn't matter. EVs are just not as flexible as gas cars as in most cases there are gas stations along the way and you don't have to figure out how to use app to activate or worry about non working or occupied chargers.
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  1621.  @seenghuatting4566  no you are not getting it at all. Say it's your father already in hospital you just want to be there as quickly as possible before he passes away. To see him for the last time. Maybe it's not that far only 100 km away. But your EV just happens to be near empty as you just came home from work with only 30 km range left. I know it's very unlikely but it could happen. There are other scenarios too you just ignore them and think it can't happen to you. For example in a road trip your planned charger route closed because of a mudslide or accident. You don't have enough range to that detour to get to another charger.
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  1622.  @seenghuatting4566  like I said this is just one scenario. There are other emergencies you can't plan for. When it occurs and coincides with when your EV charge is near empty you are screwed. The only way to avoid is to always have enough battery charge and that's kind of inconvenient and not being able to use full capacity of battery
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  1623.  @seenghuatting4566  a friend of mine is a realtor he has a Tesla model x he uses to drive around his clients but he also has a second car for when the model x needs charging. So that he doesn't lose business deals because car unavailable. It goes to show that EVs have many advantages such as fuel savings and environmentally friendly and better driving dynamic. I agree with all of that. But one thing it's lacking is fast charging infrastructure. Home charging is only convenient when you have fixed commute schedule and predictable routine. When it comes to handling emergencies and unpredictable use cases, it's not as flexible or robust as ice cars. Another instance just popped in my head is if you have to travel to remote areas for ice cars you can carry fuel with you but you can't tow a generator and fuel as easily.
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  1624.  @berndborte8214  I dunno what county you live in but the number of gas stations vs fast chargers are much higher here in North America and not even say the reliability and ease of use. Let's be real the scenario you made up is much less likely than my scenario which is actually realistic. What are the chances all gas stations run out of gas on regular basis? But you might need to charge your EV at least a couple times a week that's at least 2 instances when your EV have very low charge. If any emergencies happen to occur just at that moment it's quite possible your reach to the emergency destination is delayed. Much less likely all gas stations run out of gas at that moment. Nearly impossible.
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  1625.  @ouethojlkjn  oh no I never said EV is inferior then ice I said in number of occasions EVs have many advantages including cost and environment. But flexibility and robustness are not. At least with the current charging infrastructure. Charging at home is convenient if you have a fixed and predictable commute schedule. But but if you have emergency or travelling long distances. It's still not as robust or convenient as ice cars. No one size fits all. That's all I'm saying. EVs should work for 90% of people 99% of time. But ice cars will still have a niche market and legit use cases 10 years from now or even 20
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  1626.  @oggyoggy1299  It's been very close for 6 years already. So maybe another 5 years to level 3, and 15 years to level 4. Level 5, it's science fiction.
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  1627.  @mikafiltenborg7572  Geo-fenced robotaxi such as waymo is far from the true FSD Elon has been promising.
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  1628. ​ @paulo3564 the data says otherwise. Their hybrids are the most reliable and sells alot. They suck at EVs though
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  1629. It will crash back down when Tesla FSD causes numerous accidents in China
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  1630. You should really exclude China from the survey even though it's the largest market. Government is using carrot and stick method to making ICE cars harder with limiting license plates, and incentives for EVs. Norway is also giving massive tax and financial incentives for EVs. They can only afford doing so because of fossil fuel export surpluses. EU and US growth are lackluster given reduced incentives or incentives that are about to phase out.
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  1631. Tesla is squandering it's money on FSD like a drunken sailor. It'll always be a useless beta version
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  1632.  @joshie2985  Yeah, but you are still losing money on $TSLA stock, bag holder
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  1633. I call this BS. It's pretty uninimous among academics that to achieve full autonomy you need AGI and nueral nets as impressive as it seems at certain tasks in theory will never become truly intelligent or become AGI.. Tesla s FSD might seem like always improving but it'll have to keep learning infinite number of new corner cases, it can never make its own decision like a human can when faced with a new situation it never encountered in the training data. Therefore it'll become an ever improving driver assistance but can never replace a human driver. Unless they come up with a brand new framework that is not neutral nets or traditional machine learning.
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  1634.  @BigBen621  on average. But what if you believe are you better than average drivers? Should the AI that is better than an average driver on statistical level replace you who you believe are better than average? There's also a question of ethics. When faced with an inevitable accident, does AI software choose to save the occupants of the vehicle or pedastrians who are children?
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  1635. Currently, only 5% of EV batteries are recycled. Majority of them are still ending up in landfill
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  1636.  @doktoronyx6619  The fact that the current neural net models need so much training data is the evidence that our AI model of human brain is flawed. You can train a sub-intelligent human being wit several hundreds of driving data, for maybe a week or two max, he will be able to drive anywhere better than Tesla FSD that had million times more training data, and several years of time, and world's largest super computer. The model is wrong, not the lack of data or compute power.
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  1637.  @X5493-c7p  like I said Tesla energy business is nothing more than reselling Chinese batteries. In a shiny package.
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  1638.  @kennySg101  comparing Elon musk to Steve Jobs is an insult to Steve Jobs.
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  1639. China will take over every industry in the world if tariffs were removed. Subsidies or not, their pace of innovation and work ethics cannot be matched by Western countries.
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  1640. I see a rocky road to full EV adoption especially there is so much resistance by some people and also the fact that EVs have some compromises at the current technology level.
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  1641.  @GET2222  what. You didn't know BYD made cars? How is the name Toyota any better? It literally means fertilie rice patty in Japanese. You trust a rice patty farmer to make your car? You must be ignorant to judge a company by name only. It's got nothing to do with the substance
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  1642. Solar and wind requires battery storage. Only less than 5% of lithium batteries are recycled right now. Same with wind and solar panels materials. They generate waste as well
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  1643.  @aaroncosier735  ya I know they can be recycled. Everything CAN be recycled but there is a difference between CAN and ARE. how much of them ARE actually recycled today economically?
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  1644.  @aaroncosier735  in defense of nuclear waste, they are tiny in volume and can be safely buried deep underground, whereas wind and solar material volume will accumulate into gigantic after a long time
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  1645.  @aaroncosier735  but the nuclear waste is not emitted like fossil fuel emissions. They are solid and well contained safely and buried under ground where it's almost impossible to leak into atmosphere.
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  1646.  @aaroncosier735  True. But there is a way to use the nuclear waste to generate more energy and then the results waste of that will have very little radiation left at all. The hope is that these highly radiactive waste will not have to sit in storage for that long before they could be used up.
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  1647.  @aaroncosier735  I'm no expert but have you watched "the big lie about nuclear waste" by Cleo? Basically there is a political forces holding it back otherwise we would have been using nuclear waste to generate energy for decades, that technology already exists and well studied to be safe. It's just no political will to get it done.
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  1648. What's the ticker symbol for Volvo stock? Google only gave me swedish result. Any way it can be bought in the US?
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  1649. A car controlled by software from a central server that can be hacked and malware injected. No thanks. There is a big danger people don't talk about a single point of failure in the current setup
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  1650.  @pauld3327  I'm not complaining about user experience. I'm saying the centralized archetcture poses a great risk if Tesla's server becomes compromised or a latent bug is in the software. Especially given the dominance of Tesla, the bigger it gets, the riskier, as more Tesla cars on road all are dependent on the software update from the central server. If there is ever a problem, all Tesla cars could shut down, or worse behave erradically, causing millions of accidents all at the same time.
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  1651. Taiwan and Israel imports Chinese cars? That's too funny. Their overlord master America is not going to be too happy
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  1652. The way people use PHEV in China are drastically different from the water West. 99% of time they plug in
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  1653. There will still be gas cars but will increasingly become a niche market. If Japan doesn't catch up soon they will suffer a lot economically.
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  1654.  @svr5423  exactly
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  1655. A quick Google search reveals the most popular automotive YouTube channels are all ice car related. Several magnitude higher than EV channels. There is a cultural preference backwardness in the Western world to find ice loud vibrating engines exciting. EV adoption will be hard. Not as easy as China.
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  1656. This is what I like - a low tech EV, without stupid software updates from Tesla HQ and annoying touch screen controls.
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  1657. They can use excess energy for bitcoin mining or AI training. There is no waste.
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  1658. China EVs will dominate the global south, but the Western legacy autos will hang on to their dear lives hiding behind government protectionism.
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  1659. It's not like traction battery in phevs are right next to the combustion engine to absorb all that heat. If such design was made it would be stupid
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  1660. ​ @trungson6604  keep dreaming. Hydrogen will never be adopted
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  1661. ​ @SunriseLAW  in theory, EV are simpler than ice cars and everyone should be able to fix it easier as it's just battery and electric motor. But the problem is Tesla the leader of EV decided to put all that complex software gadgets on top to make it overly complicated and everyone thinks EVs need a touch screen and computer to operate and most of other car makers are copying Tesla designs on EVs. It's just sad that EVs have to become computer on wheels, it's doesn't have to be
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  1662. No japanese are not stupid but they are not super race as hyped either. The problem is with aging population and social structure young people with good ideas don't have much of say there. Elders value tradition more than innovation.
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  1663. How long to charge cybertruck by solar? Weeks?
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  1664.  @Dr.Gehrig  if you park in the sun all the time, how much energy will be used by the thermo management for the battery? Also to keep the cabin cool for when you get into the car? It pretty much uses up most of energy it gets from solar and little to add to the battery.
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  1665.  @Dr.Gehrig  lol sure sure. Know-it-all. Maybe Tesla will hire you as chief designer for coming up with such a brilliant idea to put solar panels on CT, or any EVs that's intended for every day use for that matter.
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  1666.  @Dr.Gehrig  likewise. Speaking of humility look at yourself.
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  1667.  @Dr.Gehrig  read my original reply again. It depends on the use cases and climate you live in. Are your calculations based only on one scenario? Such as always parking in the direct sunlight? How much energy is needed for cooling the battery in the heat of summer in direct sunlight? What if you live in a Nordic environment much of year is cloudy and covered in snow? What will be the ROI for putting solar panels in the car then? Even if you could park in the sunlight most of the time, who would want to? It's so uncomfortable to get into a hot car every time. That's why most people choose to park in the shade or garage if possible. You can run the AC and preconditioning just before getting in the car but that negates some of the energy you generated from the panel so what's really the point? Also the heat is not just uncomfortable but also bad for many electronic components and shorten their service life. Did your highschool math take all that into account? Real life is much more complex than highschool math my naive child
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  1668. It's simple. The more US businesses depend on China the more leverage they have against the US. They could win the war without firing a shot. The US invest so heavily into defense industry is utterly stupid and will be wasted
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  1669.  @elmohead  I don't know why u are arguing with me I'm in agreement with you. Reread my post
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  1670. It's nice to see EX30 has regular door handles, unlike Tesla and BYD's flush door handles that are pain to use, and absolutely ridiculous considering they only save you 1% of range at highway speed.
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  1671.  @wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874  in a world of charging station scarcity it might be if you have to travel long distances on regular basis but that is changing
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  1672. My thoughts exactly
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  1673. Anti-China and Ant-EV sentiments are at all time high in the West. It's going down further.
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  1674. I've heard reports that BYDs blsde battery in Han vehicles catching fires many instances. Are these true or made up rumors?
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  1675.  @incognitotorpedo42  Yes, that's true. I've been a proponent of putting biofuel heater in BEVs for colder climate vehicles. Heat pumps are simply not strong enough in -15 degrees, and energy density of fuel is much better suited than battery packs especially for heating.
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  1676. Bad timing as EV demands well plummet in 2024-25
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  1677.  @mavelous1763  I'm an OG EV enthusiast. Even long before Tesla became mainstream. I understand why Tesla made their car like sportscar trying to win over non EV people with the sportscar appeal. It's not necessary for me. I'd rather have a practical EV that's simple to use and not full of gimmick tech that can break and expensive to repair. Unfortunately, stuck on tablet and software driven features are signature of most EVs now copied from Tesla. But it's totally unnecessary only adds to the cost of EVs and reduces long term reliability. I'm way more in favor of simpler EVs. Just adequate performance and no computer on wheels gimmick
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  1678.  @mavelous1763  Tesla is becoming ever more Chinese. If you live in Europe good chance you are driving a China made Tesla, or at least filled with Chinese batteries. They just announced a new battery factory in the US using CATL battery patents and equipment for next Tesla model 2 and possibly cybertruck. Do you consider that car built in a democratic country? Even if it licenses technology from China and pays Chinese company for it?
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  1679. I hope Volvo brings back C30 EV which burns ethanol for heating in winter. They need to differentiate themselves from Tesla and BYDs and alike.
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  1680. Wise move. I think Tesla is no longer an attractive investment as it once was. If Elon musk is removed as CEO and share prices go down significantly I'll consider again.
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  1681. Yes. Unfortunately Germans don't want to change. Just like Japan
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  1682.  @SV-tj7mm  Yes. I should have said "user oriented software". Most of German designs seem to be system or engineering centered - ie. let's make it so that it is efficient for the system or good performance for the car, but not so much user centered thinking - make it so that it's easy to use, easy to maintain. For example, for a long time, Germans preferred manual transmission cars to automatic while Americans moved to automatic long long time ago. The reason being German thinking is that manual transmission is more efficient, better performance. Users should train themselves to do what's best for the machine. American thinking is what can machines do to serve humans, make user's life easier.
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  1683.  @sahastradhara  China is the leader in solar production yet they are building way more coal plants than before. Solar can't provide base load. Nuclear is still too expensive. Battery storage is also expensive. If China can't even do it, what do you think Africa and Latin American countries to go full renewable?
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  1684.  @Stekopo  you know that burning coal to produce electricity then send it by transmission lines will lose 80% of energy in the process. By the time it gets in your EV battery you get 15% energy efficiency. Burning Petro at least gets you 35% energy efficiency. It's basic physics. If you run your EV on renewable or nuclear then you reduce emissions. If you run your EV on coal power, it's worse. No argument here.
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  1685. So EVs are not as robust and flexible as gas cars according to Sam. Its ideal use case is to charge at home and use it for pre-planned short commutes within its range. If you don't have home charger and have sporatic driving schedule with variable range, then it's going to be less convinient than gas cars.
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  1686.  @mvoetmann1  that's true but assuming life is always constant. What if it changes or or unplanned emergencies that you have to drive outside of you EV range? Aren't you just trading robustness for cost saving?
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  1687.  @3nd939n3r  in your dreams. how soon? 20 years soon?
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  1688. It's true.. with the rate inflation, no matter how hard you work you will never be able to afford your dream home. Not as a wage labour of any sorts. You will need to take risk in business, the stock market etc if you want a decent life.. No one is interested in doing manual tasks jobs anymore.
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  1689. Recycling is a good idea but will definitely add to the cost.
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  1690.  @rozonoemi9374  at current state, recycling is definitely more expensive than mining.
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  1691. Synthetic fuel doesn't address pollution problem. Carbon neutral is one thing but urban aur pollution is just as bad with synthetic fuel
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  1692. Not really. American ceos gets much more pay than Germans . It's the workers who are lazy in Germany
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  1693.  @mauroscop  yup exactly. There is a cultural problem in the US.. Being backward is cool in America.
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  1694.  @darpompie4354  Not sure about the current batteries, but there are plenty of people on Tesla motors club talking about battery replacement on older model S and roadsters. They are around 12 - 15 years old. Sure, some may last longer, but it really hit or miss. Yes, in theory you can repair the pack by replacing only the damaged modules (not just cells becuase of balance). But in practice finding the qualified EV technicians who are willing to do it at reasonable price and time frame is challenging. When the car is that old, and having to spend >$10k to repair / replace the battery pack is usually far exceed the value of car at that point. Unelss you are a collector, most people just dump the car and get a new one.
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  1695.  @Dat_Sun  true.. The reason payload to hp ratio is less in EVs is because of battery pack weight.
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  1696.  @dmandman9  in theory but I'm practice, finding a reasonably priced mechanic or technician who are willing to work on EV battery packs are far and few in between. Usually when a battery pack breaks out of warranty the car has little value left for such repairs.
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  1697.  @shafir2info  Good explanation
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  1698. All the Western EV brands are either scams or money losing junk compared to Chinese EV companies
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  1699. It's a fashion trend in the current auto industry, not just in EVs, but in ICE as well. It saves them cost as well. We need more voice like you.
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  1700.  @garyevans4099  sometimes I just want a quiet time in car. Also voice commands are annoying your kids are sleeping in backseat, or you are having conversation with someone
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  1701.  @ZeusBullyMax  it's easier to just push a tactile button that you already used to where it is and don't even have to look or think about than having to concentrate on saying the right commands with perfect pronunciation.
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  1702.  @TheLobo91  lack of buttons is more profitable for the company but some consumers like myself don't like it. Are you advocating for the car makers or consumers choice? In the end it's the consumers who decide. Fur now the trend of touch screens and voice commands may seem high tech and attractive but hopefully consumers will eventually realize they are inferior to tactile physical controls when it comes to driving. At least until level 4 autonomy is real. And they will demand as such.
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  1703. If you are using pickup trucks for work, camping, towing, then great.. If you use to commute to you desk job or grocery shopping which is 90% of their usage it's a waste
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  1704.  @TheEvilmooseofdoom  same with EV. Large EVs have bigger carbon footprint than smaller EVs as well. Also large vehicles take more road and parking space. Use what you need, any more than that ruins environment to some degree
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  1705. I wonder how Philippines is doing. It is hostile with China. Are Chinese cars selling well in Philippines?
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  1706. I'm not surprised i saw this coming as soon as they were announced. America is the new North Korea
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  1707. This is just another proof that Tesla is a cult. Imagine Toyota sold stuff like this, no one would care.
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  1708. Toyota clearly has changed. They are just leaning on their historical reputation to take advantage of consumers. The myth of Toyota reliability and quality is further perpetuated by people who buy Toyota also tend to WANT their cars last longer, thus take better care of their cars and using them more carefully, thus perpetuating the myth.
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  1709.  @finned958  save manufacturing cost but increase in R&D cost, especially for legacy autos like GM and Ford. I think it's dumb trying hard to copy Tesla and fail at it while losing their existing traditional customer base. Toyota is smart that they at least retain their existing customers save whole bunch on R&D . Copy cats never wins. Differentiate or die.
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  1710. Japanese corporate culture is toxic. Innovation and big changes make them very uncomfortable. They just like to keep doing the same thing in their little comfort zone and feel achievements just because they overworked many hours
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  1711. Koreans make junk . Not just cars.. Samsung phones are garbage mine broke only after 1.5 years for no reason. Never dropped.
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  1712. VW EVs suck because they try so hard to copy Tesla but in a poor way, alieanating both original VW fans and failing to win over new EV buyers.
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  1713. Germans are a violent race
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  1714.  @reubencarter3004  yes I forgot Honda, though Mazda has been gaining market share against Honda in recent years. I recently was in a brand new BMW X5. There is nothing luxury about it with feeling of engine and transmission vibration at idling or is starting from the stop. It made me very anxious. After driving EVs half the cost of an X5 already spoiled me enough not to consider any German luxury throw away mobiles. I think only the old and traditional folks will buy them and they will surely fade away as they are not taking EV transition seriously. Maybe Volvo and polestar could take German luxury crown, as Volvo is committed to electrification.
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  1715.  @larryc1616  not quite the same. EVs can't replace ice in all use cases as digital photography replaced all films.
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  1716.  @larryc1616  it depends on how much better battery tech and charging infrastructure will get.. as of now in North America, long distance travel is still difficult with EV especially in cold weather.
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  1717.  @robertwoodhouse-bm7kt  Japan and the US will be the only countries still burning fossil fuel for passengers vehicles.
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  1718.  @beehappy7797  maybe just brain
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  1719.  @nordic5490  it's not phevs fault that some users don't plug in. Maybe we should have some kind of reward for those plugin in more and penalties for those don't. I plug in every other day and 95% of miles are EV mode. I only visited gas station twice last year. As for fire, again it's a broad brush survey. If phevs catch on fire do easy why does Volvo make them? The most safety focused car maker? What are the risks of Volvo phevs catching fire? Is there a survey for that? I think because phevs are in its infancy it's technology needs to improve and mature for sure. You can't say a baby learning to walk falls down often, theefore she will suck at waking for life.
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  1720. People's perception change really slowly. Whenever I tell people Chinese EVs are really great and cheap. The first response is usually, will they meet North American safety standard? They are cheap, how long are they going to last before exploding into fire? lol Toyota cars on the other hand, no question about quality or safety ever come up. Just take my money, I want to get one before my neighbour does.
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  1721.  @alexco5881  Good point. Short mileage means less fuel savings with EVs.
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  1722.  @namingshard17  those kcars are very unsafe. Unlikely accidents are rare in Japan
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  1723.  @ElySky95  my point is FSD is fools errands.. Most of AI academics agree that the current crude neural network model is not ever going to achieve AGI no matter how much compute and data you throw at them.
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  1724.  @yeahbuddy92193911  I'm a software engineer I know exactly what software fixes mean. It's not some kind of magic that will actually repair physical problems that your car might have. If it came a faulty component that might cause fire for example, software fix is not going to replace it, it will just disable it but the faulty component is still there just not used anymore, therefore no danger of fire. If that component is not critical to the function of car, then disabling it by software is much easier then taking them to shop to disconnect it or replace it. But it does come with a cost that whatever that component was designed to do, doesn't do anymore. Maybe it was for efficiency or backup for some rare situations. It takes out some functionality of the car. Another type of software fix is parameter adjustment. If users complain about reduced range for instance, software fix is to reduce the battery buffers so that more of battery pack can be used. This appears like magic for those gullible users. Battery buffers were there for good reasons, to prevent overcharging and over discharging. Reducing that could reduce longevity of battery or worse increase fire risk. And the final type of software fix is software bugs themselves. Thus my question is if Tesla fixes so many recalls by software update, does it mean they have such a bad software with so many bugs in it? Why didn't they get it right from the start? Or are they just doing bunch of bandaid fixes to the real physical problems?
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  1725.  @someuser7501  I owned 2 Teslas. They have said "close" for the last 5 years.
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  1726.  @someuser7501  sure time will tell how many people would pay for something that doesn't even work the way it claims to be. Sure it's superior to other standard driver assistance, but claiming it'll be fully autonomous just a few months away for many years is a joke.
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  1727.  @someuser7501  yes they did. Since 2018. Elon has promised full autonomy for many years always claiming it'll be here at end of year every year.
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  1728.  @philliptemple9841  do you expect average consumers know what beta means if they don't work in tech industry? Is it fair or even ethical to give gullible consumers a perception that the car can safely drive itself when in fact you are being sold a beta testing software and you are doing the testing for them while paying $10000 for it. Hmmm.. unethical it is.
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  1729.  @philliptemple9841  robotaxi already exists in China for two years. Tesla is playing catch up. The only reason Chinese government allows Tesla FSD is to boast to antagonize the US politicians.
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  1730. After this Elon will defect to China
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  1731. I thought you didn't recommend this car due to its poor quality in charging port issues and class action suits
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  1732. Why is this surprising? Government forced EV buying
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  1733. I live in Toronto. Every time I pop into Tesla dealership, 80% of customers inside are immigrants or visible minorities. It seems that majority of old local Canadian folks are into new EV tech or Tesla. But Toronto has a large immigrant population, thus Tesla has been doing well here
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  1734. ​ @mingouczjcz3800 agreed but you can't buy BYD in North America. Toyota is all we got.
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  1735. Do we really know the truth? She seems to be well off individual driving an expensive car. Maybe she is some important business woman and the CIA is secretly trying to get rid of her by framing her on this accident. That would be her argument. It's perfectly reasonable given the US China tension and perfectly reasonable for China not extradite her to the US as you can't rule out any political motivation on framing her. We'll never know. Will we. Poor victim though.
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  1736.  @ChicanoPhotographer  You bought a used one, i see.
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  1737. I see the fanboy army getting mobilized trying to save your $tsla bag. See you under $100
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  1738.  @tony2707  so all these people use insult word to justify their reasoning. Very critical thinking skill I see.
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  1739.  @tony2707  who are my people? You don't even know me. By the way your people also told me that your wife is sleeping with all of them. Just to give you a taste of your own medicine.
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  1740.  @tony2707  no I think they are your people they said you are lying. Don't shoot the messenger that's what they told me.
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  1741. ​ @TODDesigner  nah. I already owned two Tesla prior.. sold both for profit during 2022 hype. Moved on .. All of you current Tesla fans are either late to the party or too slow to change
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  1742. ​ @galaxiedance3135 nah. I knew fiskr was a scam from the beginning. I'm not an idiot.
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  1743. Not for consumer vehicles, but for long haul traports, marine and aviation, battery energy density is too low. Hydrogen is the only clean alternative to fossil fuel at this moment.
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  1744. Chinese talents no longer wants to immigrate to the US because all the engineering jobs have national security concerns that won't be open up Chinese .
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  1745. I don't think robot technology is even close to anything useful. Maybe in 10 -20 years, Chinese robots will become useful, not Tesla.
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  1746.  @paulb1951  just as in 1885, horse carriages were still used everywhere and if one was to choose a career to design a new horse carriage or upcoming automobile, I'd choose the latter. I see Japan will still be spending much resources to improve that 0.1% efficiency and power out of internal combustion engines in 20 years while the rest of world has leaped forward. Simply because their companies and engineers don't want to change and top comfortable with status quo.
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  1747.  @paulb1951  ok ok you are right. Ice is not obsolete. You win. But trying not to be stuck on the definition but look at the spirit of what I'm saying. Japan is pouring resources into a dead end technology instead of trying to truly innovate meaningfully.
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  1748. It's amodel 3 copy cat. Differentiate or die
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  1749. Without FSD Tesla is just a car company.
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  1750.  @markplott4820  it's not better than an autistic drunken dinner
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  1751. EV evangelists always cite the simple stats number of ICE car vs EV fires, but they ignore the nature and quality of fires are much different. EV fires burn hotter and much harder to put off, and can ignite in very unpredictable situations such as being parked, while most ICE car fires occur after accident.
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  1752.  @jeezy0025  the more you know the bigger Tesla bag holder you are
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  1753. Curb your enthusiasm. Going from 0 to 20% adoption seemed fast but i doubt tht pace will continue. It'll probably stall out around 30% think allot of the first wave were early adopters and enthusiasts. Converting the general public is a little slower especially for those living in apartments and low income earners who rather keep their existing car for many more years. Also older people who don't want to change their habits.
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  1754. I just love it when EV evangelists say EV don't require maintenance and repairs lol
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  1755.  @marknewell7160  highly unlikely for the next 50 years we'll still need fossil fuels for many things even if most of passenger cars become EVs
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  1756. Tesla will sabotage charging reliability of non Tesla vehicles and blaming OEMs for miscompatibily. That's how they will gain market share
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  1757. Germans and Japanese suck at making EVs
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  1758. People have no choice. Most of government mandates all EVs by 2035. It's near certainty EV will replace ice
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  1759. We all know VW is a scam company makes crappy cars. Thanks to them, Germany is the new China, China is the new Germany
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  1760.  @raymondschembri5042  Musk - Trump honeymoon will soon end as it becomes clear FSD is a pipe dream.
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  1761. The naysayers keep pointing out that North American grid can't handle EV adoption. Are they really implying we are worse than places like Thailand in terms of infrastructure. Has America turned into a 3rd world country?
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  1762. Going from 0 to 20% is fast. But it'll stall around 25-30% think allot of the first wave are early adopters. General public is harder to convert. Especially those living in apartments and older people who don't want to change their habits.
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  1763. Clearly it's a retaliation for US chips ban.
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  1764. America is far worse than Europe with protectionism
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  1765. Something wrong with korean brands they always have poor quality products
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  1766. Japanese autos are pretty much irrelevant at this point. Why are we even discussing them lol
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  1767. The large moat will trap a lot of wild life inside.
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  1768. Problem is they don't work with the Chinese
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