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Comments by "Joe Qi" (@i6power30) on "Analyst says Buyers are settling for inferior cars because they dislike Elon Musk" video.
Fact 1: Tesla cars depreciates faster than Toyotas. Fact 2: Fuel savings don't offsets depreciation and higher repair cost. Fact 3: No EVs sold in N.A. have reliability and logevity like a Toyota cars. Maybe there are in China and Australia, but not in N.A. thanks to protectionism.
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@KP-xi4bj oh I thought the mission of Tesla was to reduce emissions and greener and sustainable transport, not the excitement of driving. In fact the eventual goal of Tesla FSD is to remove steering wheel and take away your right to drive car at all in the name of efficiency and safety. So what are you talking about excitement content? If you want excitement get a convertible sportscar. Didn't Elon tout that Tesla cars will not depreciate? How did that turn out? They depreciate just as fast as unreliable Mercedes and BMWs etc. Tesla is no better than expensive toys for the rich with high maintenance and repair cost and become a piece of garbage as soon as out of warranty
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@patrickcorcoran4828 Just Google which EVs have the most battery replacement in EVs. Tesla is the worst, worse than Nissan leaf. The article is in business insider. 2012, 2013 model S has some 8% replacement rate. Model 3s are still too young there is no data of course. please don't quote mileage. Quite calendar age. I'm a low mileage user only 3k miles a year. EV batteries go bad after 12 years max, regardless of mileage. Yeah if you drive 130k miles in 3 years, get an EV knock yourself out. But ice cars are still very value if you are low mileage user. EV batteries simply don't last that long in calendar age Moreover, any minor damage to the battery pack such as hitting something on the road scraping the underbody of your car can void battery warranty and cause a major battery replacement. There is a recent case of Canadian Hyundai ioniq 5 owner did just that and Hyundai quoted him $60,000 battery replacement cost on $55k brand new car. Insurance wrote it off. Such damage to an ice car would still require repairs but for far less cost. The problem with battery pack is that there many cells and you don't know which cells are damaged and they will not take it apart and examine one by one. Just because battery is not a moving parts, doesn't mean it's not fragile. It's in fact more fragile than ice.
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@patrickcorcoran4828 I edited my reply on what you Google. Read again. And added a recent news story on fragility of EV batteries on minor accident . 2013 Tesla model S already had 8.5% battery replacement rate. Higher than even 2012 Nissan leaf. Various laboratory studies projects lithium ion battery chemistry degradation after 10 years even under ideal conditions, sooner if subjected to extreme temperatures.
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@KP-xi4bj even with your own numbers, why does the best EV brand Tesla lose more value than a crappy Honda? what will be after 8 years? After 12 years? After 15 years? Batteries will probably need replacing after 12 years. If not they will be obsolete and worth nothing. Ice will stay the same if well maintained and low mileage. EV batteries degrades with calendar aging regardless of maintenance and mileage You are the naive one to keep telling yourself because Tesla doesn't need maintenance in the first few years there is no cost? What about repair costs in case of damage? Ok you are a perfect diver you will never damage it fine. Depreciation alone over Corolla and Civic negates any fuel savings. And why are you so proud about rebates? Does it reflect the true merit of a car or artificially inflated number by the government policies? Toyota Prius prime and RAV4 prime actually increased in value after 1-2 years and will still save you 95% of fuel and still qualifies for government incentives here in Canada. And they will have much better long term reliability then Tesla or any EVs in the market, maybe except for BYD but Chinese EVs are banned thanks to hypocrite government. As for the warranty length, usually the worst brands have the longest warranty. Hyundai and Kia come to mind also VW. Battery warranty doesn't mean other components won't break. Those model S with over 200k miles usually have electric motors replaced 3-4 times. Battery pack also replaced under warranty. Toyota don't need lengthy warranty, their reliability history has proven it already. There are many 20, 25 year old Toyotas still on road with minimal maintenance. Carry on with your hubris. Believe the mainstream narrative that government tries hard to push down your throat.
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