Comments by "jorge luis barrios mur" (@jorgebarriosmur) on "HistoryLegends"
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And we spaniards are a mix from almost everything.......
We have Iberian and Celtic "native" people, Cartaghinians (descendants from the semitic people originated in what is now Saudi Arabia), Greeks, Latins (in the roman conquest), Germanic tribes (when Rome fell), more Celtic people (that fleed from Britain when the Anglo-Saxons defeated the Romano-british resitance there, and setteld in northern Spain), more Semitic and North-african people (in the islamic conquest), more Gemanic people, (when the Franks and the people from what is now Germany came to fight in the "Reconquista" and to repopulate the conquered land), plus a permanent small but persitent jewish population (from the Roman conquest, till 1492, although some of them converted to catolithism to stay in Spain, and their DNA is now part of our DNA).
Hell, we even have some 20 japanese diplomats, in 1500 and something that didn`t make it back to Japan and settled in the south of Spain, taking spanish wives......
And this is only the mixture of "historical" times.......
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@Cayenne Captain The romans. It were the romans...... but, as a Spaniard, I AM PROUD of my celtic, greek, latin, islamic, jewish, and germanic roots. PROUD!
Don´t try to shame me, or any spaniard by using our origin against us, because it makes us what we are, and WE ARE F......PROUD OF IT....... (although, being humans, I have to admit that we did some very nasty things in our history)
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The news in our main -media seems very similar to the news in Germany in 1945, where the allied advanced in every front, the country was in rumbels, and the german army had lost almost all of their combat-capacities, and yet, german media ignored all this facts and focused on meaningless achievements, like a bunch of teenagers delaying the advance of an american aromured colum for several hours.......
EVERY TIME an uckranian artillery piece hits something, it is celebrated like if they had won another battle of Stalingrad, yet, the simple fact that the russians continue their advance, and the ukranians are retreating, is simply ignored......
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That will be a serious problem. Whenever this wa......sorry, whenever this special military operation ends, Russia will have 500.000 expirienced, well trained and battlehardened soldiers, a booming weapons production, and an economy that thrives in war-times (soposedly they are reaching full employment, wages are rising, and even non-specialized workers in the military productions sector are beeing constantly offered better conditions by competing firms, eager to meet their production-objectives).
For Russia, it will be more profitable to start another wa.....sorry, another special military operation, then revert to a peace-time-economy.......
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The same happens with spanish colonisation of America.
It was just buisness as usual: The one with the bigger stick came and took it all.....like the indigenous people had been doing for thousends of years.
Indeed, the conquest of Mexico was only posible because all its neighbours hate them with passion for beeing an imperialistic and warmongering bunch of duchbags, and thougt the spanish were a better alternative ( a big mistake, in my opinion, but understandable).
As for the Incas, they just had a blody hell of a civil war when the spaniards arrived (and of course the waves of desease that preceeded them, erasing up to 90% of population in some cases, and causing what we only can describe as an apocaliptic scenario), where people were slaughtered day in and day out, without the intervention of any white conquerer. (By the way, the Inca imperium, was not build with nice words and diplomacy, it was build over mountains of corpses, using, more or less, the SAME methods that the spaniards used centurys later to conquer them)
As for the rest, they were mostly loose tribes or confederations, who hade no problem raiding their neighbours if they needed it or just were in the mood.......
Was it nice what my spanish ancestors did to my indigenous ancestors? Hell no! But it was just the way things were handeled then.......we cannot judge actions of the past with modern views.........
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NATO advisers had stated that if Russia keeps it war production on their actuall level, they could build up their army at the full strength they had before the war in four or perhaps five years after the end of the war in Ukraine, and that with battlehardened and expirienced troops
Meanhwile the amunition stocks in the west are empty, and UK could probably field 40 working tanks in case of a full scale war, while
the german army is a shadow of what it was in the cold war, Belgium has aparently disbanded its last tank-brigades and donated the tanks to Germany, and the rest of western countries are not in any better shape.
Yes, there are plans to revert this situation ( for example, Poland plans to be THE ARMY of Europe, in terms of size and combat capabilities), but its development can take DECADES, given the actual industrial basis of NATO-countries........ and the USA is overstreched, and who knows what will happen if they have to fight a conventional war in Taiwan and Europe at the same time.....
The only thing we have left is nuclear disausion.
What could go possibly wrong
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Having served nowhere, and beeing barely able to swim, I would say that your opinion hugely owerweights mine, buy if I may, I would want to point out that the Chinese navy is not chalenging (yet) US-global naval dominance, wich would require, efectively, a logistic-chain that right now, only the US is able to deploy.........China seems to be targeting "only" a local superiority, not very far away from their coasts.
The logistic-requirements for that task, although probably still brutal, are mostly only a fraction of what you need to dominate the seven seas.......
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There is a unit already specialized in the integration of soldiers from diferent origins, to conform an effective combat- force.
I am speaking, of course, of the forgein french legion.
This model could conform the core of an european army, althoug, it would be probably necesary to switch from french lenguage to english (a sensible question for many french, who tend to think, that if you were capable to learn english, the only reason you do not speak french, is because you hate this lenguage, culture, and all french-speaking people).
This core of multinational combat-ready troops, that should include of course strategic transport capabilities, could then be complemented by national units, whose training should include learning english to a level enough to speak and write it fluently.
Esentiall would be also, that not EVERY country should have ALL TYPE of units. Unecesary duplicity is one of the big problems of the european armys right now, while nobody cares about other necesary capacities ,like the previous mentioned strategic depolyment capacities ( aka big f*cking transport planes), or aircraft-carrier groups, wich europe has not enough, now that the british left the union......
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@sid2112 Generally speaking, almost all attempted invasions of Russia that had its origin in the west, failed miserably (I think there was a Polish-Lituanian invasion that obliterated the state of Moscovia once, but I don`t recall another one).
I just don`t see how opening another front, when you have shortage of combat ready troops is of any use, and more, if we take in acount, that INSIDE undisputed russian territory, Putin can resort to regular russian troops, and is not reduced to use only the ones that have signed a contract to fight in Ukraine.
Yeah, SOME supplies ment for Ukraine will have to be diverted to counter this offensive and re-conquer the lost territoy, but it will cost Ukraine troops that it simply can`t afford to loose.......
It just looks like a greater version of that st*pid PR-stunt that was the ukranian crossing of the Dnieper......
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@angloirishcad an unknown, but certainly important percentage of this artillery, is not even making it to the front. Even if it is deployed in the front, it will not last very much, unless it motorized artillery.
And even so, given the air and artillery superiority of the russian army , I would not wish to be one of the soldiers serving with this pieces.......
Reportidely, desertions have being rising in the ukrainian army, as conscripts with only 2 weeks of military training have been informed that they are heading to the Donbass front.
Given that time is on ukranian side, I do not understand why the don´t just retreat back the Dnieper, and show the russians the middlefinger.
Right know, they are fighting the war the russians want them to.........
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That ukranian "NKVD"-officeer seems very nice. He wasn´t shooting at anyody, but was trying to convince them WITH WORDS.
Either way, if it is true that this seven soldiers is all what is left from 100 man, I think it is totally understandable that they have no intention of returning into the meat-grinder.......
At this point, hiding in a cellar till the battle ends, and then enjoying some hollidays in Siberia (paid by Putin), looks like a good plan to me.......
If Zelensky is so eager to keep on defending Bahkmout, he can always do it personally. He, his staff, his oligarchs, and their families.......
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If Ukraine had a WWI-type of defense (a continuous line of trenches, manned with infantery, and suported by machineguns, wired positions and artillery), charging on motorcicles would be suicidal.
But, the modern front lines (both russian and ukranian) seem to involve the defense of key-positions (strongholds and comunication-hubs), with the space between them defended mostly by sparsed infantery units, relying on artilery and drones to harras any enemy detected in the gaps between this thin line of, basically, entrenched observation points.
In THIS scenario, motorcycles have proved to be very effective.
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Just at this very moment, men are forced to fight and die in Ukraine, whether they want it or not (and kudos to all the volunteers, but there are people that would prefer NOT to fight, for whatsoever reason) while there female counterparts get VIP-refugee treatment in Europe,and get to join the fight ONLY IF THEY WANT.
This has come to a point where our judges are DENYING refugee-status to young men fleeing from Ukraine, and sending them back to their country, to face prision, or death in battlefield (again: meanwhile, women=VIP refugee status).
I am willing to accept EVERY bet you want to make, that, when the war is over, and they release some scenario about the conflict, the ucranian army will be composed almost exclusively by brave, stunning and independent woman, fighting the misoginistc and brutal male russian invader. Wanna bet?
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@mikaels6009 Dude, open a history book.
Rome conquest of Iberia was 800 years before islam was even born, and 1000 years before the islamic conquest of the visigothic kingdom of Hispania (wich included also parts of southern Galia).
They romanized extensivley the indegenous population (at least the ones who weren`t killed or enslaved), and built entire cities and military colonys from the scratch, to provide land for their soldiers to settle when they finished their service ( again, after killing and enslaving a good chunck of the native population, to make place for the roman colonists)
AND PART OF ROMANIZATION WAS THE BUILDING MANTENIANCE AND USE OF PUBLIC ROMAN TERMS.......
This said, dude, MY ISLAMIC ANCESTORS made Al-Andalus a beacon of knowledge, poetry, philosophy, science and art, defended by some of the greatest warriors the world has ever seen, a lost paradise that even today, musmlim people sigh about when they speak about it, while yours were probably sitll wearing hides and using stone-tools.......
So, what are trying to shame us about?
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@danielbwest Lets just say they have learned and implemented some costly adquired lessons, geared up their military production and keep their public opinion motivated and at bay. Russia is STILL fighting with one hand tied to their back.
Meanwihile Ukraine is on the way to loose an entire generation, the best and most motivated soldiers are either dead, wounded, or in dire need of some rest, ukranian civilians are actively trying to opose recruitment, and the western support is dwindeling.
In an attrition war (and this has become one) the conquest of territory is only an excuse. It`s about who gets his resources and manpower drained in the first place.......and that will most probably be Ukraine. Russia could loose 10 soldiers for every ukrainian one and still win, and the WHOLE WEST is unable to provide the same amount of artillery amunition that Russia is able to produce on its own.......
Ukraines only realistic chance is to demoralize russians public opinion, so that they opose the war, and cause enough trouble at home, to make the russian goverment re-think about their priorities.......and it dosen`t look like this is going to happen soon..... not before the last ukranian soldier dies on the battlefield......
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@angloirishcad I don`t think they wanted a fast-manouver fight.
I actually think they belived that the ukranians would decide mostly not to fight, and that the sheer sight of russian armed colums would make them seek peace-talks.
No kidding.
About the atrition war, keep in mind that Russia has not declared war or mobilisation.
They are not really striving yet, while the ukranians are throwing in the battle all what they have, just to stop the russian invaders.
If Ukrania has wast reserves of willing men, why are men in military age not allowed to leave the country (unless you are Zelenskis buddy, of course)?
About the artillery, ALL the shells provided by NATO together for the pieces, is, more or less, the same number that russian artillery launches in ONE morning, and perhaps they could outrange most of russian artillery, but surely they cannot outrange russian aircraft...... And that suposing they even arrive at the front, wich a lot of them don´t.
This is the war that the russian army wants to fight.
They don´t have the numbers for a deep penetration war (as had been already prooved), and will not, unless the declare general mobilisation, or hire the irany revolutionay guard in exchange for some atomic bombs (ot some other nonsense)
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@edibandulan5266 In my country, if you join the ukranian armed forces, you have no problems. BUT, if you join, for example the kurdish defense forces in Syria, you are in for some nasty legal trouble.........There are also countries that punish their citizens for serving in ANY armies other than their own. Check out the stance of your country, before commiting........
Also, aparently, russian military consider foreigners fighting in their ranks as somewhat expendable........ perhaps you should speak (PERSONALLY) to somebody who went to this expirience. Don`t trust the internet. Pro-ucranian sites will tell you that you will be cannon-fooder, while pro-russian ones will tell you that you will become a 40.000 K Warhammer Space Marine.......
Not saying you shouldn`t go, only that you should do your research, because if you go, and regret it later, rest asured that you will be NOT left out of the hook..........
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What are they suposed to do, without amunition, food , water and medical supllies?
Plus, Rusia and Ukraine, are exchanging POWs, so there is a good chanche for them to join , sooner or later, their own side.
Once out of amunition, surrendering was the right choice.....
By the way, showing POWs in public media is againts the Geneva convention. I thought that at least the regular russian army would respect this.....
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@maskr5520 The rebels in arms are almost all from Isis and Al-quaeda. If there is any pro-western-democracy-rebel, he is hiding very well.
SOME of the rebels were, in the begining really sirian opositors who seeked a better life for their people, but, as always, we (the wester countrys) choose to found the worst of them (ISIS and Al-quaeda in Siria, but before we asked them to change their names) through Turkey and Saudi Arabia, and the few "laic" oppositors, simply vanished.......
The cloosest thing you can find to a "laic" militia in Siria are the kurdish troops, but they focus mainly on self-defense, and made an alliance with the goverment of Assad, in order to better fight against the islamic rebels and the turkish army and mercenaries......
Is Assad a cruel dictator? Hell Yes!
Are the rebels worse? You better believe it!
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@boristimko7402 This is the point. We are NOT willing to. And less after beeing lied by out leaders and propaganda who told us that the russians would collapse at any given moment, and that the ukranians were only weeks away from asaulting Moscow.
Saving Ukraine yakes, either a full scale NATO war against Russia, OR , a new cold war for the next 5 decades (or longer), not only against Russia, but also against anybody making buissnes with them (anybody said China?).
The western public opinions are not prepared for any of these two scenarios....
The fact that our leaders also try to hide their incompetence/bad decisions/bad news/ and the results of the everlasting corruption behind the "War in Ukraine" also dosen`t help.....
When you think that your low wages, high taxes, inflation, or any other problem has its root in the war in Ukraine, sooner or later you want to get rid of this scenario ASAP.
Our leaders should just had us told the truth from the beginig (it will be hard, it will take time, cost a lot of sacrifice, and perhaps we loose), and so perhaps there would have been less suport in the begining, but it wouldn`t have vanished like a snowball in Hell.
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@AlexNinjaTurtle And there is also another unexpected consequence, however this ends, Russia is now firmly aligned with China.
Before all this mess, we could have speculated, that if things go south with China (for example in Taiwan), Russia would probably have minded its own interests, wich could have aligned partially with the Chinese ones, or perhaps not.
Now, we can be sure, that if the sh*t hits the fan, Russia will glady return all the "favours" recieved from NATO in this conflict.........
What could go possibly wrong?
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Things like this are going to pose a serious problem in the next future. Regardless of how this war ends, Russia will have a battlehardened expedition-force of 500.000 soldiers, used to fight for a living and make good money with it, plus millions of workers used to be employed in the military sector, with competitives wages. and an economy that relies on a active war-front to run-smothely.
Faced with this scenario, there will be surely the temptation to open another war-front to keep the show (and the economy) running, instead to making a difficult transition into a peace-time economy, and more so, if the international sanctions against Russia are not dropped right after the war (wich they almost surely won`t).
They probably won`t attack any NATO-country, but there are a lot of central-asian ex-soviet-republics who could be sudenlly deemed as not AS pro-russian as the could be, and therefore considerated candidates to a "special military operation".
It`s like the Roman economy of the late republican and the early imperial times, wich relied on conquest and plunder to keep on going......once they got on the defensive, and the flow of cash, gods and slaves stopped, the first cracks showed up-------
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The problem I see, is that this war is actually PROFITABLE for the russian average people, who have seen their wages increased, and are no in a full-employment scenario, while, the only ones dying in Ukraine are "volunteers", wich seems acceptable for the russian public opinion.
So, at the end of THIS war, Putin will have a thriving economy based on war-time production, and around 500.000 battlehardened veterans with nothing to do..........What could possibly go wrong?
Not that I think they would attack any NATO-member, but there are some ex-soviet republics in the Caucasus and Asia that will be probably "invited" to re-join a "greater union" under Putins leadership........
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@leopard2a436 Oh! I am sure you could dance naked in front of the Finland parliment with one russian flag in each hand, your d*ck painted in the coulour of the russian flag and screaming your love and aliegance for Putin himself, and face only minor inconvienences.......
But, my friend, THE MOMENT you, and your fellow pro-russian comrads would have the SLIGHTEST chanche to have the minimal influence in order to remove Finland from its course towards the NATO, you would recieve a treatment that would make you DESIRE to be in the hands of the FSB.
Please, don`t be naive! It`s not about freedom or human rights!, It`s about Everest-high-mountains of money. If you really think the people in charge are going to hesitate ONE SECOND before doing whatever is necesary to remove you (if you dare to put yourself between them and their money), you truly deserve what you would get.
Funny how quick you (correctly, by the way) judge the russian sistem as a dictatorship, but don`t say a word about the ucranian one, wich is at least, as bad as the russian.
As for the finish one, you live in the same cage as any russian citizen.
Only yours is a little bit wider, you can scream at the wardens, your bars are painted in the colours of the rainbow and hidden behind cortains. But they as hard an unmovable as the russian ones.......
If you don`t belive me, ask Asange his opinion about freedom in western democracies......
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@kaba_me Although it is really embarrasing, Rusia has strategic depth. They can trade land for time, regroup, and decimate the invading forces, something the ukranians should learn.......
It`s NOT necesary to defend EVERY F......INCH to the last man, and more, if you are facing manpower shortages. For Ukraine, right now, it`s more important to keep it`s soldiers alive, than to keep every two- or three- houses big village.
The russians have learned (the hard way) to retreat, if defending a position is not worth it, and try another day and/or in another place. Ukraine, still hasen`t.......
Also, Russia can use REGULAR military forces to counter this offensive, given that they are fighting in russian soil, and won`t need to use the ones that have signed a contract to fight in Ukraine, so, few (if any) forces will be diverted from the ones advancing right now in Ukraine.
I think, that the ukranian side will miss the soldiers and material they are going to invest in this offensive (like the ones from the summer-offensive)
Right now, they have given Putin a bloddy nose embarrased him and showed the russian public opinion that their goverment is unable to protect them. Great!
Time to limit their losses, now that their are winning, get the F......out of there, and engage in a part of the front where they can be of actuall use and make the difference........
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@kaptenhiu5623 Defending your country, when your country does not give a sh*t about you and your beloved ones, doesn`t seem like a good deal to me.
I will NOT do it if my country is ever atacked!
Let the King (yes! we have one!) and his family fight!
Let all the corrupt politicians, and their wifes (who are shoping like the world is going to end tomorrow and they will not have enough time to spend all their money) man the trenches!
Put the oligarchs (that bend the law in their favour, and have no problem screwing you, if they can get one Euro in exchange) in the tanks and transport vehicles!
And the judges that have one law for the common man, and another for the rich and powerfull? They would make good paratrooper and marines!
I will NOT fight and die for this people! The foreign invader has yet done nothing to me. The people that have been screwing my whole life are my fellow countrymen, and they should count themselves lucky, if I don`t join the enemy!
Where are the sons and daughters of the ukranian politicians and oligarchs? I bet they are NOT decorating any trench with their guts! They are either in Europe, living their best live, or have some position in the rear, secure and warm!
But you want the common man to forcefully have to defend his country! Just go kick rocks!
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@khalilfajloun4310
Yesterday, 32 unarmed palestinians were killed in the west bank by israeli security forces because they commited the unthinkable crime of protesting against the occupation of their land. (Unarmed). I bet their relatives are thinking at this very moment to join Hamas, and are full of hate and rage (I would)
Every week, israeli colonists in the west bank, armed to the teeth, kill unarmed palestinian civilian. No one is ever judged.
Do you know what the diference is? CNN, BBC, FOX, WION and the rest of the media, don`t broadcast heartbreaking interwies with their surviving relatives. They do it only when the ones masacred ones are israelis......
Israel has created several generations of souless sociopaths with its behaviour in Gaza and the West Bank. And this monsters, "made in Israel" have got the upper hand for a moment, with predictable results. Even Mother Teresa or Ghandi would turn into souless monsters after 15 years of such treatment.
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Is he not, from a legal point of view, to consider as an ucranian POW?
I mean, if he joined the ucranian regular military forces, and is subdued to their military laws and chain of comand, and if he was captured as part of a regular force, with the uniform and equipment of ucranian army, he is by all means an ucranian soldier, no matter his nationality, and should benefit form the Geneva-convention-laws.
Surely, he will not be exchanged for some russian POWs, because his propaganda-value is too high, but I doubt that they simply throw him into some hole in Siberia and forget him.
Not that he will have an easy time, but he is a precious propaganda-piece, and will probably be kept alive and sane.....
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They will conquer all the territory they want once the cohesion of the ukranian army collapses do to their heavy losses........
But Ukraine simply dosen`t seem to get it. They insist in defending positions till they are LITERALLY undefendable, without any regards for their own losses........
They should aim to inflict as many losses as possible to the attacking russians, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, keeping their forces as intact as they can, even if this means retreating as soon as the reatio of losses is no longer "profitable" for them.
Even if they manage to inflict heavy losses to the russians, if they get their own forces depleted in the process, it is a victory for Russia, because Russia can replace their lost manpower, while Ukranine is reaching a point where they have problems to do so, and mantain the quality of their fighting units........
Just look at the oposite forces: Russia is able to attack ANYWHERE at the same time, because their REGULAR TROOPS are capable of cunducting offensive actions, while the ukranians can only counterattack when (and where) they send their elite troops, with the rest of the ukranian army basically filling the gaps and offering a tempting oportunity for a russian attack.
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They are dying to decide who is going to exploit the vast gas-fields discovered in 2014 in eastern Ukraine (the fact that the "maidan-revolution" or the secesionist movement appeared right then, is, of course, absolutely not related to this discovery)
In 50 years, no one will give a sh*t, and western and russian oligarchs will even share the profits and have good relationships, while the dead people will still be dead.......
I always remember the story about the NON-battle between Octavious and Marco Antonious, where their legionairs (who were former legions from Cesar, had fight together, and had friends and relatives on each sides) simply refused to attack their comrades and told their comanders to get their act together and reach a deal...........sadly it didn`t last, but THAT`S how battles should be!
Just a lot of soldiers telling their comanders that they are not going to die for anothers man profit!
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