Comments by "Lockpicking Blacksmith" (@Lockpickingblacksmith) on "Top 20 Greatest Joker Moments Ever" video.

@raulcasarez2150 people say that because he was portrayed as a gang banger thug instead of a mafia thug. The scenes from the extended version and even the other deleted scenes make him much more 'the joker'. On top of which, he was never going to be as impactful as ledger, phoenix, or nicholson, because he was a side character, not the focus. Also, Phoenix was only barely a batman movie. Change a few names, the characters appearance and it has zero connection to any previous portrayal or the comics. Phoenix'acting was amazing, but it's simply not the joker.
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@a-rex5774 Leto was more 'the joker'than phoenix was.
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@matthewalexander23 no he didn't. He got cutting room floor'd to death.
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@alphareturns5988 right? The directors cut where he has more screen time is great, the theatrical cut is garbage. For the Joker character, Harley, and the movie overall
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The scene with Joker making Harley jump in the pool of toxic waste in Suicide Squad was definitely one of the most 'Joker' Joker scenes of all time. Top five.
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@Titanoooo what in the hell are you on about? Also, I sad Leto was a decent joker, not the best. In the longer directors cut he's significantly better than in the cinematic cut. His whole mailing people sex toys and such schtick was stupid annoying, but they did actually follow the joker's story, just updated to the modern world. A character like that created modern day is much more likely to be like leto's joker than say, Nicholson's joker. Leto did a fairly decent job of acting. It was a bit over the top, but joker is an over the top character. Look at phoenix' joker. It has zero to do with any of the creation stories used so far. Excluding ledger's joker which was a little different: He isn't any sort of criminal, which all of the other jokers were. All of the other jokers started out relatively sane and were driven insane by a disfiguring accident. For which they blamed batman. Phoenix' joker was just an ordinary crazy guy. If you changed a couple names and changed his costume a bit no one would think of it as a movie related to batman. Hell, he even became the joker while Bruce wayne was a child, which is completely different. In all the others he good reason to blame batman for his disfigurement, which is why he's so obsessed with batman in the first place. On top of which, the ending scene leaves the door open for most or all of the movie to have been nothing more than a schizophrenic delusion. Why do people say Leto's joker was bad? Ok, he was annoying on set. Has zero to do with the actual movie. His gang banger persona, which is more appropriate to a modern interpretation. It isn't the forties anymore, and him being an italian mafioso doesn't make as much sense. The tattoos are wholly appropriate for this interpretation of the character. Last is his relationship with Harley. Ok. For that we have to compare it to the animated series where she was introduced. The creation story for harley is spot on. People say he cared for her too much, but I disagree. It's true that Hammill's joker treated her as somewhat disposable, however, he also rescued her on several occasions. In the episode where harley left him to try going straight he was beside himself without her. Every bit of that makes sense. So yes, Leto and the interpretation he acted out was fine. Not the best by any stretch of the imagination, but decent. Phoenix' version was clearly the worst 'joker' even though it was brilliantly acted and written. It's a great movie, just not a great batman universe movie.
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@Titanoooo the shit he did on set, sending dead animals, condoms, sex toys, etc. WAS stupid as hell and inappropriate, but it has nothing to do with his actual performance. Also, Leto was good, even great, in other films.
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@f2p781 he has a lot more time in the extended cut, and that's significantly better. Both his character and the movie overall.
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@mariancovrig7734 phoenix was excellent, superb acting and a great film, but he just wasn't 'the joker' aside from the final make up and a few names it's got zero to do with the batman universe.
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@f2p781 i don't know exactly at least twice as much. It includes Harley's origin story. Actually most of the extra footage is joker and harley. I know it's a bit of a meme to say that adding a little bit of footage completely changes the tone of the film, but this really does.
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@f2p781 no it isn't, but it is enough to give the character, actually both characters, significantly more depth. I can't say I hated the original, but I didn't particularly like it. I'm telling you, if you don't watch the extended cut you're cheating yourself.
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@lorduvaltv274 the directors cut version where they left him in was much better.
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@connorwalton6160 it was a little hard to wade through that autistic vomit of words and 1337 speak, but it seems like you said you're mad at me for expressing an opinion... and then you expressed an opinion... get off your high horse. People can disagree with you. Especially when it comes to art... which is subjective.
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@Elrolypoly98 he did plenty, he just ended up on the cutting room floor.
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