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@Brandonthesnifferofall
You are correct that V-280 has larger foot print but it brings more to table than the SB-1 and Blackhawk
For the Marines, the CH-46E required 3 days to make the trip from NC to AZ. The MV-22 does it in one day
The MV-22 cruises at 300 mph which is fast enough for it to be refueled by KC-10, KC-46 and KC-135s in the air
The Blackhawk can only be refueled by KC-130s in the air
The V-280 cruises at 320 mph so its not limited to solely KC-130 for air to air refueling
Being able to use jet tankers opens up a lot possibilities for deployment
The USAF and USMC have both demonstrated the MV-22s ability to self deployed over considerable distances
The Blackhawk requires C-5 break downs .
With V-280, it can self deploy to a location, the change crew, allow maintenance to do a quick D/T and get to work with an 2 hours or less
With C-5 break down, it takes hours for the Blackhawk , it has to be put back together, QAed, refueled, tested up before it can get to work
The Blackhawk carry 105mm while the V-280 can carry 105mm or 155mm
Now the real question is what will 160th SOAR and SOCOM say
They may procure the SB-1 as its more adaptable for the Direct Action Penetrator (DAP) and Stealth modification
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I wont say same conditions
Russia is just not stupid in this case
Ukraine currently has Patriot, IRIS-T ,NASAMS, SAMPT
All those radars are designed to be Network Centric so they transmit data in real time
Even if the radar is hit, the command truck can still transmit the data from the attack back to HQ
With integrated air defence system (IADS) , they get the data in real time
That real time ability is how Ukraine gunners were able to gain a profile on Kinzhal so quickly as well down other aircraft
The Su-34 and Su-35 are supposed to be protected by the Khibiny against missile attack yet 7 Su-35 and nearly 30 Su-34s blown out of the sky and counting as well as the lost of A-50s and Il-22, basically everything going horrible wrong with Russian air power over Ukraine
they kinda have no choice
The US military ironically thanks to heavy losses from Russian SAMS takes SEAD very very seriously
They have EA-18G. EC-130. E/A-37 , F-16CJ ,RC-135, Rivet Joint/Combat Sent and virtually all strike aircraft except the F-15 can use the AGM-88
Even B-1 and B-52 can carry ADM-141 and ADM-160s decoys to support SEAD
Russia on the other , doesnt think SEAD seriously and they have paid dearly
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@megazombiekiller9000
You forget
titanium, aluminum, and carbon fiber are lighter and stronger
The support around the gun is likely titanium
GAU-22 is electric not hydraulic. As for the electronics and targeting for the gun, its all integrated
What you are describing is the 4th gen on down which used federated systems
As you stated, each piece tech has its set of systems
The 5th gen and 4.5 gen uses integrated systems where everything is integrated
As for complexity to mount
not a problem ,computers allow precise computations
Lastly
Valuable space,
Thats why 5th and 4.5 use integrated systems
Instead of FCS, ECC, LCOSS and other
you have a hard drive and written software
The gun is simple.
One, not every target needs a missile, the gun can limit collateral damage. For stealth aircraft, that gun port is considerably smaller than the weapons bays
Two, Digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) and Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM) are advanced countermeasures against missiles
DRFM can blind radar guided missiles while DIRCM can blind IR homing missiles
Even in WVR, both can provide a measure of defense where there is nothing you can do about a gun except try to dodge
Three, shell tech has advanced greatly and guns can do more damage with considerably less rounds
The Semi-armor-piercing high explosive incendiary (SAPHEI) combines both HE and AP rounds into one
Best of both in one round. We also seeing more and more programmable rounds
Modern tech is making the gun far more accurate and lethal than previous generations
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Adding tanks should happen but only when ferrying aircraft from point to point not for combat usage
The point of enhanced performance engine Growth Option 1/2 F-135 and the Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) is doing more with less
The enhancements are designed so the F-35 travels further and faster using less fuel
No need for extra tanks and the extra weight
4th aircraft needed external tanks and CFTs to feed their very hungry engines
Secondly the point of Joint Strike Missile ,GBU-53s, AGM-179 JAGMs and Stand-in Attack Weapon as well the potential powered JDAM is lighter but lethal
The go to weapons for the 4th gen was the 500lbs,1000bs and 2000bs GBUs, 700lbs AGM-65 Maverick and 1500lbs Harpoon
All great weapons but still very heavy for strike aircraft to use.
The newer generation of weapons do the same job but able to be carried in larger numbers but still a lighter load than the 4th gen
6 JAGMs is 650lbs compared to 4200lbs just for 6 AGM-65s
16 GBU-53s is 3200lbs compared 8000lbs for 16 500lbs GBU-12s/38s
Since the aircraft carrying lighter loads, their fuel economy is far better
Adding tanks for combat is a step back not forward
if they really want a fuel pod, then, they should look at the enclosed weapons pod (EWP) from the Advanced hornet program
The pod is designed to be stealthy but also able to a variety of weapons
instead of wasting space simply for fuel, make the EWP multi function able to carry fuel ,weapons decoys, EW
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@Fng_1975
No you did not
The Navy admiralty never liked the F-14 because they argued that it took money away from their budget for more ships- False
First ships, subs and, aircraft all have completely different pots of money that they draw from and second most importantly, aircraft considerably cheaper than ships
Boeing received a $4 billion contract to deliver 78 Block III Super Hornets
Under the defense funding bill, the US plans to spend $4.9 billion for three Arleigh Burke-class destroyers in 2022
$3.45 billion per unit w/ VPM for Block V Virginia class sub
There are no figures on the exact cost of the Spruance class but Burke was 778mil- 1.8b early estimate
F-14D was estimated at 74 mil per copy
37 were built new which is 2.7B
How many ships could the USN build for 2.7B in late 80s dollars,
Depending on class, in some cases 1 ship hence why they completely different pots of money
Now the USN problems with its aircraft in the 80s was clutter
They F-4s, A-7Es ,A-6E, KA-6D, EA-6Bs, RA-5Cs, S-3s, RF-8s, F-18s, EA-3B an F-14 and even some cases A-4s
The money problem had nothing to do with ships but rather simple too many types of aircraft in service overlapping
They didn't resolve that problem till the Super Hornet program in the 90s
if they had necked down say 1981 to 1983
Its likely that F-14 would have been updated as much as the F-15 was
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Sci fi armor has several functional issues
First , if someone gets hit and needs medical attention, its pain in the ass to get off.
Second, normal body armor, they simply replace the strike plate and patch the vest and call it a day , back in action. unless the vest and plates are too damaged
With sci fi, armor, back to point one
The armor has to be thick enough to withstand 12.7mm directly and repeatedly but not so heavy that movement is cumbersome
Iron man style armor not likely.
In the movie , Edge of tomorrow, that armor is very realistic and easily made with current technology ,the only problem is lack of ballistic protection from bullets and shrapnel
Full body armor will be mesh of ceramic with some metal
but not like the movies
Personally Garsarki would be a better option
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@donkoh5738
100 percent incorrect
The F-22 came at the end of the Cold War and Congress went on rampage of cancelling programs. The problem was that F-15 had performed beautifully as well being still being relatively new. Additionally the F-15 was being exported while the F-22 was not. The USAF managed to save it but they reduce many of its capabilities as funding was now scarce. By 2000, the F-15 was at the point where the F-22 could start replacing it, then Sept 11 and Iraq caused funding to shift to asymmetric counterinsurgency warfare. Then you had all the wrong people in positions. The people making the decisions about the F-22 had zero military experience and did understand the need for remaining ahead of the game. How ironic was it when Su-57 and J-20 program became active, Congress scrambled to get more F-22 but their predecessors had already fucked that up
The F-22 tech was old, however with an open production line, a prospective F-22C would address any shortcomings
A prospective F-22C would have adopted the F-35s, programing, EOTS, DAS, HMS and redesigned weapons bay for better multi mission capabilities
Much like how the F-15 was developed into the F-15EX, the F-22 with an open production line would have done the same
The F-22 was cancelled not because of tech but because of asshole penny pinching
Same idiots that tried to cancel the MV-22s. Obama and Gates cancelled a lot DOD progams and alot of blood is on their hands because of it
Th
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@Fng_1975
Fall from Glory: The Men Who Sank the U.S. Navy,
Well that explains the source of your misinformation
Lets gets the simple one out of the way
First what is the author's credentials , he has none. Did he ever serve a day in military, no one,
He's nothing more than investigative journalist making false assumptions.
Randy Duke Cunningham who advocated for the Sup Bug over the Sup 21 Tomcat. Btw, he went to jail for receiving bribes from defense contractors.
Vietnam War ace and Congressman Duke Cunningham criticized the Super Hornet as an unproven design that compromised air superiority.
So why did the Duke change his mind
Not because he was bribed
Retired U.S. Navy pilot and Vietnam Ace, U.S. Rep. Randall "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.), took the throttle of the U.S. Navy's new F/A-18E/F Super Hornet on Saturday, Feb.7, flying the strike fighter for 1.3 hours.
On the ramp immediately following the flight, Rep. Cunningham said, "I loved it! It's a great airplane!"
He went to jail for receiving bribes from defense contractors which has nothing to with Boeing as if you actually read allegations not reading someone made up story
He criticized the F-18E/F so Boeing allowed him to actually fly it. So once he got behind the controls and actually handled it, his perception changed as he actually handled the aircraft and found to be better than expected
no one has come out against the book or it’s author since it was published in the late 90s and has been praised for its blunt honesty."
You confusing the fact no one gave a shit about his book. The book was released Feb 26 1997,the F-18E/F entered low-rate production began in March 1997 with full production beginning in September 1997.
So despite the book release and alleged acclaim for its ts blunt honesty, the plans for the F-18E/F went forward as no one gave a shit about it
Quote
"Grumman proposed substantial improvements to the F-14 beyond Quick Strike, but Congress rejected them as too costly and reaffirmed its commitment to the less expensive F/A-18E/F"
The Secretary of Defense can make requests but its still up to Congress to decide. Cheney tried to defund the MV-22 ,however was overruled by Congress both times
So solely saying that Cheney did it even close to reality.
Next, here’s your DOD budget 101 class. Navy requests money and when they receive -WRONG
instead of making asinine assumptions
try actually reading it , you might actually something
Department of the Navy Fiscal Year 2023 Budget Materials
Provides for a deployable battle force of 285 ships in FY 2023.
Procures 9 battle force ships in FY 2023 (2 SSN 774, 2 DDG 51, 1 FFG, 1 LHA-6, 1 LPD-17, 1 T-AO 205, and 1 T-ATS-6) and 51 over the FYDP. Funds 4 other construction efforts (2 LCAC SLEPS and 2 ship-to-shore connectors).
Aircraft procurement funds 96 fixed-wing, rotary-wing, and unmanned aircraft in FY 2023 (13 F-35C, 15 F-35B, 5 E-2D, 10 METS, 5 KC-130J, 10 CH-53K, 26 TH-73A, 3 MQ-4C, 4 MQ-25, 5 MQ-9A) and 420 over the FYDP.
As I stated before, its completely different pots
The USN didnt' choose wrong
What conflict has the USN been in where the F-14 capabilities were needed , not one
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@Chuck_Hooks
Aircraft require do require support but if Ukraine wants a realistic chance of pushing Russian forces out , they need aircraft
Ideally the JAS-39 but they dont exist in the numbers that Ukraine needs so the only choice is the F-16
To get the F-16 up to speed only takes 4 months. The pilots go to nearest country with F-16 sim and start training
Since they are already pilots, they simply need familiarization. 2 weeks in the sim. 2 weeks in the books
1 month of flying in the two seaters learning all the tech. 1 month solo flying and 1 more of practical application
The norm is 12 months but if you condense it the essentials , 4 months is doable
The maintenance personnel spend 4 months working along aside F-16 maintenance personnel in Poland
They can learn the day to day requirements and troubleshooting very easily
For more advance problems, western personnel can help and there would nothing Russia could say because they do the exact thing with their own aircraft that export
Have advisors on hand for problems
For weapons just keep it to the essentials. AIM-9 and AIM-120s for air to air. AGM-84 ASM and land attack. AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/24s for general purpose plus the gun
The F-16 is rated at over 30 types of weapons,however Ukraine only need 5. The GBU-10/12/24 hardware is the same
The F-16 has the CART which allows it use the drogue instead of boom for aerial refueling. The MIG-29s could be adapted in tankers for the F-16s
No one denying that bring a fighter into service will be process but Ukraine needs them more than HIMARS
Example, the Kherson bridge, The F-16 with GBUs or Mavericks would have knocked that bridge out in strike
Russian ships docked in port again, smoked with a single 2000bls GBU-10 targeted at the waterline
Russian airfields with KA-52, Mi-28 and MI-35s
Two F-16s with 6 Mavericks or 6 GBU-12s , completely knockout in one strike
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@Qwiv
Its combat, lives will always be at stake regardless. The scope is having options not only one option. The counter UAS , there are several systems in development
First the Epirus' Leonidas high-power microwave (HPM) array mounted on which is designed counter drone swarming weapons. The system is currently mounted on IFVs
Second USMC Ground-Based Air Defense which is 3 parts
Marine Air Defense Integrated System (MADIS) is JTKV with 30mm cannon and 4 tube Stinger, MK-2 is
L-Marine Air Defense Integrated System (MADIS) which radar/jammer on MRZR
Lastly, the Medium-Range Intercept Capability (MRIC) which basically a mobile variant of the Israeli Iron dome
And thats just the US
There is massive push for counter-UAS weapons
So yes, that is over reliance
Secondly there are no other options
The Amy dumped OH-58s in favor drones however in a contest airspace , drones would have problems operating effectively and the Apaches dont have the sensor payloads for recon
Drones in Ukraine is highlighting the limits of Russian SHORADs
They were designed to go after TLAM, F-16s , F-15s ,gunships and much larger UAVs
Ukraine has few aircraft ,few cruise missiles and even fewer gunships so Russian defenses are facing threats they were not designed to handle
The TB2 enjoyed success initially till Russian defenses got their act to together and that was that for it
Ukraine itself, is using Flakpanzer Gepard to great effect against drones and loitering muntions
Germany has developed the Skyrange 30 and 35 which are modernized Gepards but unlike the Gepard has both hard kill and soft for counter UAS
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@nietkees6906
How kills does the S-400, at most 5 so far
The reason why Russian air defense is keeping the Ukrainian force out of the fight is lack of weapons
As far as precision guided stand off weapons, Ukraine has very little. The weapons they do have are unguided and require to get 1 to 3 miles of their targets which makes easy for AD
Lets look at what the F-16 can do
The GBU-12 can be launched from as far as 9 miles away and unlike the JDAM,. the GBU-12 is immune to jamming
The AGM-65 can be launch from over 12 miles away and like GBU-12 is immune to jamming
While the MIG-29 and Su-27 can use the AGM-88 at fraction of its capability, the F-16 can fully use the AGM-88 to max capability from 40 mile away
At 40 miles, systems like the Pansir S1, Tor, Buk, Tunguska and other Russian SHORADs are now useless as the F-16 can accurately target them at the range which MIG-29s and Su-27 currently cant do
With those out of the picture, the threat drops to S-300, S-400, as well Su-35 and MIG-31s with R-37s
This where combined arms come in and grounds forces can do Ukrainian air force a solid and target the S-300 and S-400 sites
Kinda of hard for S-300 and S-400 to go after F-16s when Ukrainian ground forces are dropping HIMARS and 155mms on them
And that leaves up the few Su-35 and MIG-31s to try which a needle in haystack
If Ukraine ground forces keep up the attacks against the S-300 and S-400, the F-16 will have free reign
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The odds you are not going to see very much dog fighting in modern warfare
The development of hypersonic weapons has made dogfighting moot
You are not going to see F-35s versus F-16s
they will be fighting Russian Su-27/33/35,57 and MiGs as well Chinese Su-27/ Su-35s and J-series
Pound for pound, the F-35 has all advantages
The US has Su-27s and MIGs which are used for training
Thanks to Ukraine and Russian stupidity, The US also has sensitive tech from that Su-35 that pancaked into the field
Example
An EA-18 can jam the enemy radar while B-1s with ARRWs launch from 400 miles out
An ARRW at its designed speed can cover that distance in 1 min 35 sec
A B-1 can target defenses as well runways and taxi ways
With those damaged, the enemy has to wait for combat engineers to repair the damage so they can get their planes in the air
With defenses destroyed ,the enemy air force can be destroyed on the ground by F-35s up close or with coordinated strike with TLAMs or JASSMs
Combat engineers have to clear the rumble, fill the holes and cover it matting , by time they get a hole filled, the strike second would be on them
Even if they had assets in the air , The EA-18G and B-1 can leave before they get in range
With China
once their DFs are destroyed, the PLAN/PLAAF problems will increase
The USAF can launch ARRWs from stand off range against their DFs and the only way to stop them is send their fighters out to 1000 miles which is exactly what the USAF/USN want them to do
The PLAN/PLAAF aerial refueling capability is limited while the USAF/USN has ample tankers so it long range fight is advantageous for USAF/USN
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@korana6308
No, it didnt start with the 4th generation
multirole capability goes back as far as WW2 however afters there was change to make aircraft for specific missions or single role however it died out as the cost of aircraft rose
The F-35 is not a bomber , its multi role strike fighter. The word bomber implies that it like the B-52, B-1, Tu-22 or Tu-160, thoses are bombers, the F-35 is not
The F-35 can perform SEAD, CAS, LAND ATTACK, ISR, CAP , ASUW and EW, Not a bomber. The Kinzhal has been a nothing burger
The US plans for hypersonics are vastly superior to both China and Russia
The Kinzhal is limited to just a few assets while the US planning for all assets to be able to use the same weapon across the USAF, USN and USMC
whereas the Kinzhal usable on just MIG-31K and Tu22M3 which dont exist in great numbers
They are oversize and useless
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@M16_Akula-III
Simple
Your airfield is 400 miles from the coast
I have my ISR monitor when take off, refuels in the air and cycles as well defenses and communication location
When your aircraft hit the tanker to refuel, my EW starts jamming while hypersonic weapons approach
A mach 10 hypersonic weapon covers 500 miles in roughly 4 mins
The first missile strikes comms, followed second strike on radar, missiles 3 and 4 strike the taxi ways, while 5-6 strike the runways
With holes in your runway , it buys time for stealth aircraft or subsonic cruise missiles to deliver the coup de grace and destroy your air force before they can get airborne
The EA-18G w can suppress an S-400 however the subsonic TLAM needs little over an hour to reach its target and there is no way an for the EA-18G to jam that long
thats ample time for defenses to counter and even more allow your entire air force to get airborne and even worst, plenty of time for defensive fighters refueling to top up and engage
With Mach 10 hypersonic weapon, that hour becomes just 4 mins which EA-18G can easily suppress an S-400 for that long
With comms and radar knocked out, the aircraft in the air have no idea whats is going on.
Israel's Spike NLOS can strike targets up 30 miles away and they made special forces launcher that carries 8 missiles and can be internally carried by CH-47, CH-53s or MV-22
Same situation, they knock out comms and radar as well put holes in the runways and taxiways grounding your air force till the holes can be patched and allowing time for larger missiles like JASSM or TLAM to strike before aircraft can get airborne
There are dozens of variations but by knocking radar, comms and cratering the runways and taxiway, you can keep the enemy's air force grounded
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@IronBroccoli
The advantage of the GBU-53 is to accurate targeting
When Russia had it convoy outside of Kyiv, its was over 30 miles long with over 4000 vehicles
With GBU-53, you can target vital assets such fuel trucks, munitions, water, food, SHORADs , Jammers and key weapons like tanks , MLRS and artillery guns
With munitions, its just luck of the draw
Instead needed hundreds of munitions all targets, you accurately target the assets that they cant operate without
Ideally, the US does need to either buy or adopt the UK SPEAR-3 design as its powered so its able to carry out time sensitive strikes up 90 miles away
They also need to revisit JSOW-ER as the JSOW has modular warhead options from a unitary 500lbs warhead, submunitions and the BROACH for hard-target penetration with range of 280 miles
Ukraine has show how effective all 3 types of warhead options, particularly submunitions are a bane to airfields as Ukraine has destroy a lot russian helos on the ground
Of the 61 KA-52s lost, large number have been from ATACMS strikes
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So you basically have no idea what you are talking about, more the point, you are a chinese troll
First one, we dont say " we have four shipbuilders in the United States of America
People from the US say, the country only has 4 shipbuilders or in the US , there are only 4,
The way you write is dead give away that English is a second language to you
Secondly, the countering Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), has already been done, The head of the US Missile Defense Agency has long stated that the SM-6 is capable of intercepting ASBM in terminal phase. The goal of the SM-6 Block IB program is increasing the SM-6s range so it can perform longer range interception of hypersonic weapons allow for mid course interception in addition to terminal phase. Additionally, the point of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is reducing the time it takes for ships and aircraft to to engage incoming threats. Lastly, the USN revealed the AIM-174B which is air launched variant of the SM-6
The AIM-174 gives the USN the ability to down Chinese tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR assets from over 250 mile away. The F-18E/F can carry 4
Combined with the SM-6 block IB, ASBM as well Chinese aircraft are not a threat to the USN and thats counting the host of improvement like that
C2BMC program which allows USN ships to fire missiles and hand them off to off ship assets like the THAAD and Patriot sites
The point of C2BMC is even if J-16D or 15D jammer managed to build USN ship radar, they can use someone else sensors to fire with
@Spearhead45
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So you basically have no idea what you are talking about, more the point, you are a chinese troll
First one, we dont say " we have four shipbuilders in the United States of America
People from the US say, the country only has 4 shipbuilders or in the US , there are only 4,
The way you write is dead give away that English is a second language to you
Secondly, the countering Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), has already been done, The head of the US Missile Defense Agency has long stated that the SM-6 is capable of intercepting ASBM in terminal phase. The goal of the SM-6 Block IB program is increasing the SM-6s range so it can perform longer range interception of hypersonic weapons allow for mid course interception in addition to terminal phase. Additionally, the point of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is reducing the time it takes for ships and aircraft to to engage incoming threats. Lastly, the USN revealed the AIM-174B which is air launched variant of the SM-6
The AIM-174 gives the USN the ability to down Chinese tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR assets from over 250 mile away. The F-18E/F can carry 4
Combined with the SM-6 block IB, ASBM as well Chinese aircraft are not a threat to the USN and thats counting the host of improvement like that
C2BMC program which allows USN ships to fire missiles and hand them off to off ship assets like the THAAD and Patriot sites
The point of C2BMC is even if J-16D or 15D jammer managed to build USN ship radar, they can use someone else sensors to fire with
@Spearhead45
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@Spearhead45
So you basically have no idea what you are talking about, more the point, you are a chinese
First one, we dont say " we have four shipbuilders in the United States of America
People from the US say, the country only has 4 shipbuilders or in the US , there are only 4,
The way you write is dead give away that English is a second language to you
Secondly, the countering Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), has already been done, The head of the US Missile Defense Agency has long stated that the SM-6 is capable of intercepting ASBM in terminal phase. The goal of the SM-6 Block IB program is increasing the SM-6s range so it can perform longer range interception of hypersonic weapons allow for mid course interception in addition to terminal phase. Additionally, the point of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is reducing the time it takes for ships and aircraft to to engage incoming threats. Lastly, the USN revealed the AIM-174B which is air launched variant of the SM-6
The AIM-174 gives the USN the ability to down Chinese tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR assets from over 250 mile away. The F-18E/F can carry 4
Combined with the SM-6 block IB, ASBM as well Chinese aircraft are not a threat to the USN and thats counting the host of improvement like that
C2BMC program which allows USN ships to fire missiles and hand them off to off ship assets like the THAAD and Patriot sites
The point of C2BMC is even if J-16D or 15D jammer managed to build USN ship radar, they can use someone else sensors to fire with
@Spearhead45
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America's failures in Vietnam is ironically why the US air power is the technological juggernaut that it is today. Equally as ironic ,is Russia's air power failure in Ukraine
The US learned from failures while Russia didn't take heed and now is currently getting their asses handed to them all because they lack simple equipment
JDAM and PAVEWAYs are universal to virtually all US strike assets while only certain Russian aircraft can use their KAB-series bomb
Targeting pods again universal to virtually all US strike assets while only the Su-34 and MIG-35 has pod-ish system ,everything else relies on their OLS which has turned out to be virtually useless
The Khibiny was hailed as this super system to protect Russian aircraft, yet 2 Su-35S, 11 Su-30Sm and 20 Su-34 have been shot down
Add in 33 KA-52 and 11 Mi-28 and all of Russia's latest aircraft have taken losses in Ukraine , worst is that 90 percent of their latest aircraft are in double digit losses
and even worst, is that Russian's failure to cut Ukraine off from the West has allowed Ukraine to advanced western air defense weapons
Patriots, SAMPT, NASAMS, IRIS-T , all these systems are laying the foundation for Ukraine to get integrated air defence system (IADS) with western equipment
Ukraine with functioning IADS would be Vietnam for Russia but 100 times worst
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