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lets recap 3 key points
First the Battle of Antonov Airport
The US military would have came in at night, dropping forces at primary ,secondary and tertiary LZ
While the first wave would be assaulting the airport, the secondly would be securing LZs for MC-130s to land additional forces
MH-60L Direct Action Penetrator carries the same load out as an Apache but still retains the MH-60 ability to aerial refuel
The USMC LAV-25 is light enough to transported by C-130 which allows attacking forces to have both light armor and aerial support
So instead of mirroring US tactics, Russian forces decide that it would be bright idea to attack Antonov Airport in broad day light
not only were they driven back but it give Ukraine forces time to render the airport useless
Russia's plan was to land 18 Ilyushin Il-76s full of forces and blitz Kyiv just 7-12 miles away
It would have worked except of the asinine decision to attack in broad daylight
Second and most important
Instead of attacking Western Ukraine and systemically cut Ukraine from the West by deploying screening forces to border of Poland, Slovakia, Romania and Moldova
which would prevented the West from supplying Ukraine, Russia attacks Eastern Ukraine and leaves the door wide open for the West to supply Ukraine
With the West cut off, no HIMARS, Arty , MANPADs nada
but instead once again , they left the door open
Lastly, instead of reinforcing the Black Sea Fleet with 1 Oscar , Akula and 1 or 2 Udaloy basically overwhelming firepower from the Black Sea ?
Beef up the Black Sea Fleet before Feb 24, they did nothing and ow the few assets they have left are basically useless
No they lost this conflict from the start
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@Brandonthesnifferofall
You are correct that V-280 has larger foot print but it brings more to table than the SB-1 and Blackhawk
For the Marines, the CH-46E required 3 days to make the trip from NC to AZ. The MV-22 does it in one day
The MV-22 cruises at 300 mph which is fast enough for it to be refueled by KC-10, KC-46 and KC-135s in the air
The Blackhawk can only be refueled by KC-130s in the air
The V-280 cruises at 320 mph so its not limited to solely KC-130 for air to air refueling
Being able to use jet tankers opens up a lot possibilities for deployment
The USAF and USMC have both demonstrated the MV-22s ability to self deployed over considerable distances
The Blackhawk requires C-5 break downs .
With V-280, it can self deploy to a location, the change crew, allow maintenance to do a quick D/T and get to work with an 2 hours or less
With C-5 break down, it takes hours for the Blackhawk , it has to be put back together, QAed, refueled, tested up before it can get to work
The Blackhawk carry 105mm while the V-280 can carry 105mm or 155mm
Now the real question is what will 160th SOAR and SOCOM say
They may procure the SB-1 as its more adaptable for the Direct Action Penetrator (DAP) and Stealth modification
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I wont say same conditions
Russia is just not stupid in this case
Ukraine currently has Patriot, IRIS-T ,NASAMS, SAMPT
All those radars are designed to be Network Centric so they transmit data in real time
Even if the radar is hit, the command truck can still transmit the data from the attack back to HQ
With integrated air defence system (IADS) , they get the data in real time
That real time ability is how Ukraine gunners were able to gain a profile on Kinzhal so quickly as well down other aircraft
The Su-34 and Su-35 are supposed to be protected by the Khibiny against missile attack yet 7 Su-35 and nearly 30 Su-34s blown out of the sky and counting as well as the lost of A-50s and Il-22, basically everything going horrible wrong with Russian air power over Ukraine
they kinda have no choice
The US military ironically thanks to heavy losses from Russian SAMS takes SEAD very very seriously
They have EA-18G. EC-130. E/A-37 , F-16CJ ,RC-135, Rivet Joint/Combat Sent and virtually all strike aircraft except the F-15 can use the AGM-88
Even B-1 and B-52 can carry ADM-141 and ADM-160s decoys to support SEAD
Russia on the other , doesnt think SEAD seriously and they have paid dearly
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The answer
They aren't
The picture is of Slava class cruiser which carries just 16 P-1000s for Anti-ship with the remaining missiles for self defense
The US Ticonderoga-class cruiser has 122 VLS for 122 missiles for AAW, BMD, ASW, ASuW, and Land attack. More to point, weapons like the ESSM can quad packed in one VLS cell. The Ticos also have space for 8 container launched missiles which can Harpoon or LRASM. The newer models of Harpoon and the newer LRASM can attack both ships and land targets. While the P-1000 is powerful missile, it cant be used for anything beyond anti shipping
The SM2 can attack both ships and aircraft, the SM-6 is designed for AAW, BMD, ASuW, and Land attack. and the TLAM can attack both ships and land targets
In the end US ships have flexibility whereas Russia ships are one trick ponies
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still no a problem , combat planes top off before entering the combat zone. The US has a large tanker whereas the problem with the Su-35 is that Russia has an extremely small tanker force compared to the US. Next , the spec you used for the AIM-120 is the A/B model , The AIM-120 is currently D model which maxes out at 180km so your math is wrong.
the Su-35 can pull 9G turns which again does not help them with a missiles. Missiles like the R-77, AIM-120, Meteor and MICA are designed to pull 20 plus Gs. Remember we are sticking to the video, so no MiGs help for the Sus
Actually No. first Su-35s will be cruising at 500-600 per hour , going any faster will burn up too much fuel. the F-35s dont have to worry about fuel in either case and easily dash behind the Su-35 and fire and forget, Since the F-35s are firing from behind, the Su-35s MAWS wont detect the shot right away. planes are generally blind in the rear and strong in the front.
the problem with the video is that is assuming that both F-35 and Su-35 are using bombs. When planes use bombs in contested air space, they will have a larger escort force
most planes today prefer to use long range cruise missiles which allow them to attack without having to deal with the enemies defense force. For example the F-35 can use to JSM in stealth and strike from 345 miles away. In non stealth, they can use the AGM-158 and strike from 600 miles. the Su-35 can use the KH-59 and strike from 150 miles
so basically the style of combat that video is implying is vintage 80s
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While Ukraine's russian aircraft had to be modded for JDAMs and AGM-88s, the F-16 can use them without mod
More the point, the F-16 can fully use western weapons like JDAM, PAVEWAY, MAVERICK,, HARPOON, CBU-87s , AGM-88s but most importantly, it can use AIM-9s, 7s and 120s
PAVEWAYs and MAVERICks are immune to jamming
HARPOON allows for Ukrainie's air force to engage Russian ships at sea but most important is that AIM-7s, AIM-9s and AIM-120s will allow Ukraine to actual in air to air combat with modern weapons and radar
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@JohnFrumFromAmerica
Which is strange
The NGAD shouldnt really need anything new besides new built radar and weapons bay able to hand a larger variety of weapons
From the F22, they should adopt same bubble canopy , a well as modernized variant of the ALR-94
From the F-35, DAS, MADL, EOTS HMDS, Comm system and Wide area display as well as GAU-22
From the F-15EX, Its advanced processors
Even though, it will use the ADVENT engine, it should be wired to accept the F-135 as well
Like the F-35, there should be optional but capable non stealth mode
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No , Russia's worst nightmare
The Ukrainian air force has had limited effect due to limited capabilities of their aircraft
While Ukraine's russian aircraft had to be modded for JDAMs and AGM-88s, the F-16 can use them without mod
More the point, the F-16 can fully use western weapons like JDAM, PAVEWAY, MAVERICK,, HARPOON, CBU-87s , AGM-88s but most importantly, it can use AIM-9s, 7s and 120s
Ukraine has limited simple of russian weapons for its aircraft while the F-16s can draw substantially from western countries
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The F-14 was dead weight point blank
The USN tried to do what the USAF did with the F-15 by making the F-14 into multi-role asset but even with added air to ground capabilities, the F-14 simply wasn't as flexible as the F-18 was. While the F-14 certainly could carry a decent bomb load, it could not use weapons like the AGM-88, AGM-65, AGM-84E/F which was major problem
As development of smaller air launched cruise missiles that allowed fighter size aircraft to carry them proceeded, the case against the F-14 grew
The USAF didn't opt in with AIM-54. They trialed with F-15 but decided it wasnt worth it
While the AIM-120 could not replicate the AIM-54 performance , it lightly weight was more appealing as F-18 could carry them in large number easier than F-14 with the AIM-54
The AWG-9 while powerful major draw back was it's power. Its RF was so massive that aircraft equiped with modern RWR could easily detect it
Iran success with the AWG-9 and AIM-54 was solely due to fact that the majority of Iraqi aircraft lacked RWR
The F-18E/F APG-79 is vastly superior to the F-14s radar. as well other enhancements that basically sealed the F-14s fate
The problem with F-14 was it required a lot of work to become a modernized asset whereas the F-18E/F was already developed
There was little left to keep it in service
Secondly
Rumsfelt conflict with Grumman weakened the capability of the Navy.-FALSE
While he was present during the F-14 initial development, the person who had conflict with Grumman was Cheney
The F-14 enemy was the the USN itself
The F-15 entered service in 1972 and by Gulf war , had enjoyed several major upgrades
The F-14 entered service in 1974 but the USN did not commit to upgrading its performance like the USAF did
by the time , they did, it was too little too late. Lack of upgraded hindered its use in the Gulf
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@canihazburgers @ Compare to US ships , UK are relatively weak. For starters, the US takes carrier defense very seriously. US CVN and LHD/A are layered with RIM-7s, RIM-116s , RIM-162 and CIWS. The UK carriers only have CIWS and thats it. They are completely reliant on the type 45 for protection. The benefit of CATOBAR is that CVNs can launch heavier planes. This allows CVNS to operate planes like the E-2 for AWACS whereas the UK uses the Merlin crownest. The E-2 large size allows it to pack a far more advanced sensor suite than the Merlin. Now the F-35B has huge advances on CATOBAR but in the end still lags behind in payload. The Type-45 destroyers are advanced floating sam sites. The claim was made that Sea viper is more advanced than US AEGIS. The problem is that they are apples and oranges. The US aegis is designed for full spectrum combat, air,land, sea, underwater and space whereas Sea Viper is strictly anti air. The Aegis can engage targets on land with TLAM, subs with ASROC, aircraft with SM2/3 ,pace targets with SM-3s and ships with Harpoons. The newly minted Cooperative Engagement Capability allows both ship and planes to act as spotter and shooter. The Type 45 use the Aster missile which tops at 120km. The US SM-6 is rated excess of 240km. side note , the SM-6 is anti air, ship, land and ballistic all rolled into one missile.
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@Bryan de Paepe
ICBMs and SLBMs are weapons of last resort. Once they are fired, there is no going back,
Hypersonic weapons offer greater flexibility than ICBM and SLBM as they can be both nuclear and conventional. Conventional hypersonic weapons can destroy key targets like the S-400,S-500, CVNs and other harden targets.
Example, US military has to commit 8 planes to knock out a single S-400 or S-500. 2 EA-18Gs jamming with 2 F-18 each carrying 12 ADM-160 aerial decoys to further confuse their radar with 4 F-35s in stealth mode with AGM-88s to target the radar and JSOW with submunitions to destroy everything else. Now the issue is can EA-18Gs keep the S-400,S-500 jammed long enough for the F-35 to get in range. The S-500 max missile range 370 miles , AGM-88G range is 210.At 210 miles ,it takes the AGM-88 9 minutes to reach its target. The F-35 needs 8 minutes to get range. Thats 17 minutes, too much time. JSOW will take even longer.
Now an X-51 travels at Mach 5 plus and has a range of 460 miles. An F-35 launching it at 380 miles, the X-51 just needs 5 min 50 secs. Against the S-400 250 missile range, 3 mins 50 seconds. Thats way less time.
Hypersonic weapons gives targets less time to defend themselves. CVNs defense against hypersonic is stopping the launch platform as existing weapons chances 30/70 chances. The only downside to hypersonic is that they cant carry submunitions, they are one missile per target.
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@LaikaTheG
F-14 at most could have carried only a single pod on the same station used for the TARPS as the TARPS and ALQ-99 are roughly the same size
F-18 can carry ALQ-99s and still have room for AIM-120s with east. Its stretch as electronic attack requires a lot power
The F-14 AST-21 , hypothetical 2010 upgrade would be brought it up to 4.5 gen specs
it was exactly the stress. They were flying the airframes consistently with near max weight every tanking mission which stressed out the air frame a great deal
What does weight have to do with anything???
Seriously
The F-14 empty weight 43,735 lbs while the F-18E/F is 32,081 lbs and 34,581 lbs for F-35C
The F-18E/F critical advantage was its bring back
The Super Hornet can return to an aircraft carrier with a larger load of unspent fuel and munitions than the original Hornet; this ability is known as "bringback", which for the Super Hornet is in excess of 9,000 lb
The F-14 bring back was half that. F-14 could not recover with 6 AIM-54s
As for tanking
Again no
The F-18 carries up 29,000 lbs with 4 tanks. The F-14 carries 19,000lbs with 2 tanks,Not the same
My point was you act like the Block III is this huge step when in reality it’s basic procedure. That would be false
The Block III is very much like the F-16 block 70 and F-15EX, a massive difference between models
Upgrading is by no means hard. The reason why the F-15EX is such a beast is because the newer technology takes up considerable less space than the older tech
Its basic same as solid state drives and traditional HDD. SSD are smaller but do same job as larger HDD. Fly by wire takes up less space than analog controls
Its easier to build F-15EX completely new than trying upgrade existing F-15E.Both can be do but the later takes more time to do
You were portraying the f18 as versatile because you can upgrade it to do things it wasn’t originally planned to do like buddy tanking or electronic attack
Lets look at that
The F-18A was designed to carry the AIM-7, AIM-9, AGM-84 Harpoon , AGM-62 Walleye, AGM-88 HARM and the TV guided versions AGM-65 Maverick as well ADM-141A/B TALD .Thats air to air, anti-ship, land attack and SEAD without any upgrades. By 1987, the F-18C/D added AIM-120 AMRAAM, AGM-84E SLAM and the IR guided versions AGM-65 Maverick. Long range precision strike and enhance targeting at night with IR maverick
By 1993, the addition of the AN/AAS-38 give the F-18 the ability to use the PAVEWAY LGB
The F-14 during that time was still just air defense and ISR with the TARPS
The F-14 didnt jump the club till 1995 and the addition was solely bombs
The F-18 has combat proven versatile not hypothetical like the F-14. The aircraft you are comparing was not built or proven, just ink on paper
and Yes adapting the F-18 to tanking and EW/A is versatile
Everything you say about the F-14 is literally hypothetical with a lot of ifs and if even more ifs
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The movie is for theater but bad on facts
an actual strike package would have been 4 Hornets
but additionally
2 EA-18G providing electronic jamming
2 F-18 launching a combined 24 ADM-141 aerial decoys to make the SAM sites expended their missiles
Reloading takes time depending on missile size, position of the site and skill of the crew, at least 10 minutes minimal
4 more Hornets would be attacking the launchers and radar for SEAD/DEAD
The TLAM is accurate enough to target hangers, taxi ways, runways and parked aircraft, so the missile strike priority would have been parked aircraft use TLAM-D submunitions
with remaining missiles targeting everything else
As for bandits
Again, they would have intel and planned the attack when they know for sure all the aircraft would be on the ground
Secondly if they knew that enemy had advanced aircraft, they would have again planned with the USAF for F-22s
It would have been more realistic, that while they were carrying out the attack, the Su-57s launched from a hidden location
During the fight , few Su-57 managed to slip past the F-22s
and created situation where Maverick has to protect the strike package and him and students use team work to defeat the Su-57s
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@thephoenix756
Incorrect
Its not relatively, safer, its 100 percent safer,
As ammo,
Again smarter not harder
From WW2 to up the 60s, Yes US tanks were similarly armed like Russian tanks carrying a variety of rounds
AP, HEAT, WP, HE ,SMOKE. By 70s, it was AP, HEAT, HESH , HE, ANTI-personnel and WP
Carrying all those rounds allows you have to rounds for every situation but at a cost of limited amounts of certain rounds
Thats why the US developed the AMP round,
The Abrams carries APFSDS, HEAT, plus M1028 Anti-personnel and M908 obstacle
The AMP replaces HEAT , M1028 Anti-personnel and M908 obstacle rounds
HEAT rounds are being replaced as NERA/ERA can stop them cold whereas stopping APFSDS is still very hard to do despite Russia's claim
Instead of having so many rounds
Just have 3 for the
SABO, AMP and precision guided
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@tiagogomes3807
Problems with commonality? Commonality gives the USN massive tactically over China and Russia
Here are actual facts
With a LM-2500 series, the U.S. Navy has support worldwide whether onshore or at sea, and interoperability benefits with other U.S. and allied naval ships
Most importantly, the newest model, LM2500+G4 is designed with advanced power generation as well Integrated electric propulsion support
Since it so widely, used, it can be repaired at both US and non-US base with ease whereas Chinese ships ?
The SM-3, SM-6, ESSM, and newer SM-2 Active have lock on after launch capability as their seekers have active radar homing They can be fired without the launch ship designating the target
More the point, as part of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) , they can be handled off to other assets
The Chinese HQ-9 is semi-active radar homing (SARH) and can't function unless the launch ship designating is the target
Additional the ESSM can be quad-packed 4 missiles in 1 VLS which gives the CGs and DDG substantially more missiles than PLAN ship
Please name the Chinese ship borne missiles with LOAL , ARH or Quad pack capability
Fun fact, since the USN made their own missile instead of copying like the Chinese did with HQ-9 and S-300, the USN has greater flexibility
The SM-2 Active reuses SM-6 tech while the SM-6 block II use the SM-3 propulsion giving it a potential range over 500 miles and speed higher than Mach 8
Why that's possible , Commonality as the SM-2, SM-3 and SM-6 all share the same design but slight differences
No the SM-2 will not be upgraded further as far as the USN goes .
Last time I checked, the Russian navy lost its 11,000 ton Slava-class cruiser to two cheap knock off subsonic missiles
Additional, the present of US Harpoon has caused the Russian' navy remaining frigates to retreat to out of range
Strange how the Harpoon still strikes fear into the Russian navy despite being subsonic
If the USN needs a ASM, they dont have to look far. The TLAM MST, SM-6, LRASM and JSM are available options that they can field on short notice
The PLAN having supersonic missiles does not matter
Cooperative Engagement Capability counters supersonic missiles
The PLAN is no where near the level of the USN
The Type-055 is still very much out gunned by the US Ticos in raw power
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@BeatsCraftn
Compared to China and Russia , the US is decades ahead.
Example
the USN was just delivered DDG-119 Sept 2020, the PLAN completed its Type-055 class Aug 2020. Russia last destroyer was delivered Jan 1999 and its Lider class is ???
Both the USN and PLAN are fielding newly built major surface combatants whereas Russia is just pumping out frigates
Apparently you forgot the fact the Russia did a great of its ship building in the Ukraine. Since they parted ways, Russia has had to build new ships yards from scratch so it start producing major surface combatants again
As far as the Abrams goes,
The US has no need to build a new tank. When the cold war ended, the US got a look at Russia T-72s with Kontkat-5 ERA from former East Germany and tested out the M829A1 which was ineffective. They also got a look at T-80 that UK had gotten their hands on also equipped with Kontkat-5. So they developed the newer M829A2 counter Kontakt-5. Additionally the T-72 and T-80 both used 2A46 125 mm gun which they tested against Abrams armor. In 2003, the US once again got their hands on T-80s.
This time 4 T-80UD equipped with the latest Kontakt, Shtora-1 and 125mm ammunition.This lead to the developed of the M829A3.
Russia built the T-90 but the US had compromised so much of the T-90s technology already, hence why the T-14 is radically different from the T-90,80 and 72.
Why would the US need to build a new tank when they have already compromised the T-90,80 and 72s armor , defensive suites and weapons
Thats kinda pointless.
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@KondorDCS
Laughs in 720 F-35s built
The fail would be the Su-75
First
its not operational, hell its not even built yet
Second
lets recap the Su-57 program
Sukhoi was given the contract for PAK-FA/Su-57 program in 2002
."Sukhoi director Mikhail Pogosyan has projected a market for 1,000 aircraft over the next four decades, which will be produced in a joint venture with India, two hundred each for Russia and India and six hundred for other countries.
The Indian Air Force will “acquire 50 single-seater fighters of the Russian version” before the two seat FGFA is developed. The Russian Defense Ministry will purchase the first ten aircraft after 2012 and then 60 after 2016."
its 2021
and there just 12 Su-57 built. zero export orders and India withdrew from the FGFA
Even Russia has trimmed its order
Rand is well known for making over blown assumptions
They claimed that Su-35 would be able to match the F-35 in BVR
here is the problem that statement
The Su-35 is not stealth
its sensors can only detect the F-35 at 50 miles on down
while the F-35 sensors can detect the Su-35 from 100 mile plus miles
The Su-35 Irbis-E is powerful PESA systems whose RF emissions are easy for an F-35 to track with its ASQ-239
The ASQ-239 is an evolution of the F-22s ALR-94. The F-22 ALR-94 can cue targets by emission over 250 miles away
The F-22 uses 30 antenna while the ASQ-239 uses just ten
The F-35 ASQ-239 allows the F-35 to circle the Su-35 from long range without betraying it position
The F-35 tries to use its AESA, there is possibility if the Su-35 is equipped with the Khibiny, it may alert it, hence why ASQ-239 is the better option
However the Khibiny,effectiveness against AESA is in question
The F-35 can easily close to 20 miles and fire on the Su-35 from behind while simultaneously jamming
Even with AWACS support
The F-35 still has the advantage. Rand reports use unrealistic situations
Pierre Sprey is a joke. He likes to claim the F-16 and A-10 which was over 40 years ago
so in the last 40 years, what defense program has he been part besides those two ?
Sprey and his fighter Mafia pals got booted out the defense industry because their ideas were idiotic
Example
they wanted the USAF to cancel the F-15 and buy thousands of the F-16 equipped with only AIM-9s and M-61
All air to ground missions would be handled by the A-10????
When the F-35A performed at the Paris Airshow
His credibility went straight back to the toilet
The quote
poor manouverability....cant turn, cant climb, cant run. turned out to be absolute bullshit
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@jasonj3599
Its called facts
The Rafale is highly specialized to French needs and weapons and uses too few weapons. So unless you already have French aircraft and weapons
buying the Rafale is expensive. Dassault has dragged out Rafale's procurement as well is offering it EX-FAF at deeply discounted prices
The Eurofighter potential was killed by its politics. Tranche 4 is the most capable model but it can't complete with the F-15 advanced or EX
if they made the tranche 4 back in 2007, it would have likely edged out the F-15E orders but due the EU constant bickering, it's upgrades arrived too little too late
The Gripen is lightweight powerhouse ,despite Saab claims, its not a heavy lifter like the Rafale, Typhoon, F-18E/F, and F-15A/EX
Saab like the Rafale, sells planes from the SWAF to make orders
Its not that they don't have choices, its that choices dont offer the same as the F-35
By 2030, how many of those choices will be relevant
The US can operate F-15s, F-16 and F-18 because they have ample air power with USAF, USN and USMC combined
For countries with limited air power, the 5th F-35 is more sensible than 4.5 gen aircraft
Also in 2030, most of the 6th gens will be in the prototype stage
You honestly think that 4.5 gen can match a 6th ?
What can a Rafale 4 or Tranche 4 Typhoon do against 6th gen
4.5 gen rely heavily of EW for protection. 6th aircraft will have highly advanced EW capabilites able to defeat such EW protection but most importantly
they will have the newer generation of long range AAMs
Egypt tested its Rafale against its Su-35 and Rafale's completely dominated
So if you are an air forces that does heavy lifting, what senses does operatinng solely a 4.5 gen make
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@Mordalo
Yawn yawn
Ukraine can turn this war into major shit storm with 3 simple weapons
155mm and M30 are accurate but not destructive enough, what Ukraine is lacking is simple destructive capabilities
Harpoon Block II missiles carry 500lbs warhead and have a range of 150 miles. Why this weapon
Simple, the Block II can be launched from 4 pack truck launchers but most importantly can attack both targets on land and sea
The Ukrainian air force can also use AGM-84 with 170 mile range against both land and sea target
With just newer model , Harpoon, the Ukraine would be able strike targets much more effectively
For targets that require extra kick, the Germany made KEPD-350 would be next weapon
it carries 1000lbs warhead and can strike up 300 miles away
With AGM-84 , attacking the black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol becomes a reality and with the KEPD-350, they can strike rest at Novorossiysk and effective put the Russian navy out of this conflict completely. FYI, those 4 Kilo's are diesel so if the bases are toast and tankers promoted to submarine, they are screwed
The last weapons that Ukraine needs is the AIM-120C-5 for its Su-27 and MIG-29
Ukraine air force has no BVR weapons. The addition of the western missiles would allow Ukraine to engage Russian aircraft on equal footing as well destroy other Russian assets like A-50 and IL-78s
Ah , yes the famous black market story
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@yellowtunes2756
Again wrong
When you have true air superiority , you have complete control of the battlespace. In essence, the enemy is unable to act freely
That Gulf War is example of true superiority as west had complete control of the battlespace
Vietnam again is irrelevant to modern warfare. Secondly wars are not fought with similar levels of equipment as Ukraine has shown. War are fought with advantages
The Pzh-2000 were out of action due the high-intensity of Ukraine firing. That problem is simply due to low number of Pzh-2000. Ukraine doesn't have enough western SPA yet
Russia's lack of camera's also makes no sense. The US has high resolution optics on everything so commanders can view situations as well confirm target movement and destruction.
Incorrect
The M777 needs 20 min per mission and range is just 25 miles. It has to set up, communicate/fire ,then break down and leave which normally takes 20 miles
The Pzh-2000 needs 6s min per mission. Set up, communicate/fire and displace ,its range 40 miles
The HIMARS only needs 3 mins and its range 50 miles. The missile are preloaded while its on the move so all it has to do set up, fire and displace
A KA-52 can cover 25 miles in 9 minutes which means it can easily engage M777s
Even at max speed, the KA-52 covers 40 miles in 12 minutes , 15 mins for 50 miles
By the time a KA-52 gets over head, Pzh-2000 and HIMARS are over 4 miles away. HIMARS as much as 10 miles away
This goes back to Russia's lack of air superiority
The US maintains air superiority by having aircraft 24/7 patrolling kill boxes
The principle benefit is that aircraft can react within minutes. a supersonic Su-35 or MiG-35 can cover 50 miles under 3 minutes but more importantly
if they had advanced western targeting pods and Brimstone missiles, they could precisely target and fire while en route without having to get overhead
yet factor why Russias's air superiority is farce
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How about no
ZOV24-2-22
FPV drones are working in Ukraine because both sides are ill equipped to deal with tme
There are a few solutions to the FPV issue however one that is gaining traction is upgrading active protection system (APS) with additional launchers with programmable airburst round either low velocity HEDP 40mm rounds or high velocity 30mm AHEAD rounds so adding the new features to the existing assets allow them to test options for counter drones
Second, the US wouldnt have Ukraine problems in a conflict
Russian forces are caught unaware 90 percent of the time
US forces have Joint Battle Command-Platform (PM JBC-P) which is carried by all forces and can be equipped even to HMWVVs
For battle management and airborne ground surveillance . the USAF used the E-8 JSTARS giving forces on ground real time info on enemy movement
Even though the USAF retired it, the US Army has been allowed to buy a replacement for it
While Russia doesnt take SEAD/DEAD seriously
The US has EA-18G, F-16CJ, EC-130H ,Rivet Joint and Combat Sent as well as E/A-37 in RD and the bulk of US aircraft can use the AGM-88., ADM-141 and ADM-160s
The US has a whole arsenal devoted to destruction of enemy defenses and also thanks to Iraq and Afghn, Electronic warfare sensors are far more precise
Lastly, the US wrote the book on drone warfare with the MQ-1 and MQ-9
As the US takes SEAD/DEAD seriously, Ukraine wouldnt have SAMs to target aircraft and the US would have its airborne ground surveillance , AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft opening with impunity
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@megazombiekiller9000
You forget
titanium, aluminum, and carbon fiber are lighter and stronger
The support around the gun is likely titanium
GAU-22 is electric not hydraulic. As for the electronics and targeting for the gun, its all integrated
What you are describing is the 4th gen on down which used federated systems
As you stated, each piece tech has its set of systems
The 5th gen and 4.5 gen uses integrated systems where everything is integrated
As for complexity to mount
not a problem ,computers allow precise computations
Lastly
Valuable space,
Thats why 5th and 4.5 use integrated systems
Instead of FCS, ECC, LCOSS and other
you have a hard drive and written software
The gun is simple.
One, not every target needs a missile, the gun can limit collateral damage. For stealth aircraft, that gun port is considerably smaller than the weapons bays
Two, Digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) and Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM) are advanced countermeasures against missiles
DRFM can blind radar guided missiles while DIRCM can blind IR homing missiles
Even in WVR, both can provide a measure of defense where there is nothing you can do about a gun except try to dodge
Three, shell tech has advanced greatly and guns can do more damage with considerably less rounds
The Semi-armor-piercing high explosive incendiary (SAPHEI) combines both HE and AP rounds into one
Best of both in one round. We also seeing more and more programmable rounds
Modern tech is making the gun far more accurate and lethal than previous generations
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How about no
The F-35 single engine still produces more power than both the J-35s WS-21s combined
The notion that KAAN, , KF-21 and J-35 addresses the F-35 shortcoming is hilarious
First that F-35 design was heavily dependent on model able to do STOVL. A twin engine design cant do STOVL
Secondly the F-35A was designed for the USAF and export, the F-35B USMC and export and the F-35C for USMC and USN
There is no export for the F-35C yet no one else uses CATOBAR. I honestly though Canada was getting F-35C variant
As for the J-35 trying to defeat the F-35. not in 100 or 1000 years
As mentioned before the F-35 engine has more power but most importantly, the US doesnt have China's problems with engines. The J-20 is been through at least 5 engine variants thus far. The F-135 has planned growth options which increase thrust and the fuel efficiency. The Engine Core Upgrade (ECU) is planned upgrade engine with tech from the Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP, PW still ironing out the details of changing the F-135 to the XA101 ADVENT engine
The newer F-35s are getting the APG-85 radar which can installed on all 3 F-35 models with little effort
When you compare those stats ,teh KAAN, KF-21 and J-35 ,they are all way behind the F-35
The biggest boon the J-35 , more the point the Chinese aircraft is the USN revealing the AIM-174
The AIM-174 allows non stealth F-18s to launch from long range and be handed over F-35 which can terminally guide to target
Allowing the USN to target PLAAF/PLAN assets like tankers, AWACS and the J-15EW
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@RogerPierre
The Rafale has 4 users including France.
"have had American weapons adapted to the Rafales," Thats my point, Dassault never wanted to adapt US weapons to the Rafale but no one buying AASMs in the large orders like the US Paveway or JDAM. Lastly the only US weapons it carries is the GBU-12 and Mk82
"the Rafale can carry any weapons, small weapons and more than the Typhoon, a Rafale can carry up to 10 tonnes of mixed weapons, bombs guided bombs, missiles, cruise missiles, the anti-ship missiles-exocet- and has a 30 mm cannon, " False, Where is the Rafale's weapon similar to the Typhoon GBU-39, SPEAR, and Brimstone
Answer it doesnt have one
Instead of running off at the mouth, try doing actual research
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@bagamut
Right
lets look at facts shall
How many orders does the MIG-35 and Su-35 have ??
How many orders does Russia's latest aircraft have ??
The F-15EX orders besides the USAF order are over 200. Same with the F-16 block 70 plus
Yet despite being on market since 2007
The orders for the MIG-35, Su-35 are ??
More to point, orders Su-30SM, Su-27SM-3, MiG-29SMT are ??
All of Russia "quote" top of the line models gotten virtually no interest
Even the Su-57E which Russia offered in 2019 is ??
This is not marketing, its facts
Western aircraft have AESA radar, Advanced targeting pods, Software defined systems, Advanced networking , Sensor fusion and next gen weapons
Name one Russia aircraft besides the Su-57 that has all of that
For the west, its the 4.5 gen F-15EX, F-16V, F-18 block III, Rafale F4, Eurofighter Tranche 4, JAS-39E/F whereas Russia ???
The Chinese are not that far being as they upgrading the J-10 and J-16 to 4.5 gen specs
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Lets see , when was the last time anyone brought anything from Russia
years ago
As far being self-sufficient, FYI, as their claim as world power, they are already supposed to be
Second as far power
lets recap
Russia has lost yet a second A-50 to Ukrainian forces
The lost of AWACS in modern warfare to surface to air defense is beyond embarrassing
Russia's most modern equipment is all taking modern losses in Ukraine
The KA-52 and Mi-28 are supposed be flying tanks per Russia yet 60 KA-52 lost so far as well 13 Mi-28
The T-90 is supposed to be the best protected tank yet over 100 and counting destroyed and thats not counting units captured and sent to West for study
The Black Sea Fleet lost yet another to Ukrainian forces, that nearly 20 ships and 1 sub lost to a country with no navy
S-400, S-300, Panstir S-1, Tor, Buk, and other SAM units, again getting destroyed wholesale
Russia fighting a non tier peer opponents with limited capability has seen whole sale destruction of its best weapons
Now imagine if Ukraine was tier
Instead of a few aircraft able to use cruise missile, try entire squadrons worth
Instead of FPV drones, try gunship with helicopter launched ATGM able to shred armor in one hit
instead of drones catching ships at the shore, Actually naval ship to ship combat
If Russia is taking a beating like this ,they have no chance against NATO let alone the US
Russia borders Ukraine yet after 3 years, they can't seal the deal
The US traveled 7000 miles to Iraq twice and Afghan and hand control in weeks
FYI, Russian tactical blunder was staying the separatist in eastern Ukraine instead going western Ukraine which would have allowed them to completely cut of Ukranie from the West
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@lidlb1tch282
You would be wrong
What you are describing as well what 90 percent people get wrong is called modes of engagement
When you are behind the missile, thats called tail chase engagement. In that type of engagement, yes you are "chasing after the missile and the missile you launch has to enough speed to overtake the target
that is where people confused, not every engagement is tail chase
When I am the target and you are shooting at me, that called head engagement
The missile is coming at me ,so speed is irrelevant. What I have to do is calculate a point at the incoming missile path to intercept it
so if I know in 30 seconds, the incoming missile reach point x, then I will time my interceptor launch so it simultaneously arrives at X
Now maneuvering missile claim to be able to avoid interceptors ,however that's why larger warheads with enhanced fragmentation and proximity fuzes are making a come back They don't need to be hit-to-kill, they just detonate close enough so fragmentation shreds the missile or causes enough damage
Now if the missile in front and I am shooting at it from the side, same principle applies, I am shooting ahead of the missile not at the missile
Speed is needed here but not as important
Now the reason why interceptors have higher speeds and range is so they can get off more shoots at longer ranges
At close range, you may only a get 1 or 2 shoots at most but at longer range, you get in more shots
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@BravoCheesecake
Incorrect
"Quote
The book said you could put 13 troops in there. I never saw 13 Americans in a Huey," says Harry Kernahan, who flew the UH-1D "Slick", a utility version without weapons pods, in the central highlands of South Vietnam from 1969 to 1970. "It just wouldn’t get off the ground."
"I would imagine we often flew those things over max gross weight," he adds
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Out of necessity, pilots became experts at using unorthodox methods to coax overweight Hueys off the ground, including an odd-to-see technique where a pilot would bounce the helicopter down the runway on its skids until it got enough speed to gain translational lift and climb aloft. "People came up with solutions to a lot of different problems that weren't in the book," Kernahan says
As I stated before
The UH-1H only had 1100 shp as you stated allowed it hold up to 10 troops sometimes
The V-280 10,000- 14,000 shp allows to consistently carry heavy load without any adverse effects as it literally has power to spare
secondly , those troops in Vietnam carried very little gear most of time ,
Again with V-280, they can carry all their gear and again wouldnt affect the V-280
hat in a future conflict in a jungle environment, you would want to land more helicopters in a tighter space- False
That's arm charm statement
This is modern warfare
We are not going to put troops in a jungle when MQ-9 can easily spot and destroy targets
The factor you dont understand was boots on the ground was the only way to find enemy back then
Today, there a dozens of ways dont' involve boots on ground
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That would be false
First, the USAF air superiority aircraft are the F-15C and F-22A. The USAF has too few F-22s and the F-15C are very old. There is no way to increase the F-22s but they can increase their F-15s number. Secondly the USAF would not like to replace its F-15s with F-35s. First, the F-15C range is over 1000 miles and get be increased with CFTs to over 1300 miles. The F-35 range is just 660 miles. The F-15 can loiter for hours which is ideal for ANG mission. For the ANG mission, the F-35 stealth is not relevant.
The F-35 has AESA as the F-15EX. The F-35 has EOTS/IRST , again so does the F-15EX. Advanced data links and comms. Again as does the F-35
The F-35 DAS and Stealth are the only features that F-15EX does not have
More to the point, the F-15EX can equipped with Legion, Sniper and Dragon pods without impacting the F-15EX weapons carriage.
Now as far as the single and two seater
Again you have no glue. While most the F-15Xs can be single seaters, there are several advantages to two seaters
First is training. makes training that much easier
Secondly in combat, while the single seaters are spread. The 2 seaters with WSO/EW can quarterback the entire operation allowing the single seater pilots to focus on the mission
The USN has tailored 3 EA-18Gs working in tandem can track and identify targets at long range. That some concept the F-15EX can use, the pilot is flying while the WSOs/EWs are working to together to identify possible targets without having to rely on AWACS too much.
Secondly for the ANG misson. Again two seater are ideal for the long haul missions that ANG does. Not every mission requires two seaters but its also great to have that option in case.
As far as bailing out of Boeing
lets see
Pop quiz
Who makes the JDAM, SLAM/Harpoon
Super Hornet, Growler, V-22s, CH-47
Boeing has very very long customer list in the defense industry that hasnt changed much
Boeing only problem is he 737 MAX. There are no issues with the 777 or lack of orders
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@danielk1152
How about no
Ukraine borders Russia , Russia didnt have to travel thousands of miles like the US . Go through diplomatic channels to stage their forces
Ukraine is literally right next down and Russia cant do anything
The list of Russia's tactical blunders in Ukraine is miles long but lets go with the simplest
As you stated, Ukraine has been getting a lot western equipment yet Russia has done nothing to stop it
What a superpower would have done is land its forces in Western Ukraine and established bases to cut Ukraine off from Poland, Slovakia Romania and Moldova
With Ukraine cut off, there would be Abrams,. Bradleys, HIMARS, ATACMS. Storm Shadow F-16s , Advanced air defensed or even artillery , The whole list of weapons giving Russian forces nightmares wouldnt exist
Now the US has cleared JSOWs for Ukraine which like ATACMS has single warhead and submunitions payloads
and worst, the JASSM is in process
Unlike the Storm Shadow, the US has thousands of JASSMs and parting with few hundred wouldnt be issue as Lockheed has ramped out production
Russia not a superpower
just a super joke
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The J-20 has literally become useless over night
As far countering tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft goes, the J-20 is pretty much becoming useless in that regard
One of the unique features of the IRIS-T is that seeker is sensitive enough to allow it to be targeted against both air to air and surface to air missiles
The Russian R-77 also claims the same performance ,able to down both air to air and surface to air missiles as well precision-guided munitions
The AIM-120D FR3 currently adds that ability to target both air to air and surface to air missiles as does the AIM-260 JATM
The F-15EX with AMBER can carry up 22 AIM-120s vs the J-20 load of just 4 BVR missiles ,even without AMBER, the F-15EX still carries 8 AIM-120
The J-20's ability to target tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR relies them attacking from outside defending fighters range,however its moot if the defenders can shoot down the missiles
In order to protect the missiles, they will need J-16 EW to jam radar, without , those missiles won't get near tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR and they can't risk getting up close
The J-16 problem is that the E-3 , E-2D and the E-7 would not have any issues with its jamming. Unlike the Russia, the US heavily invested in aerial jamming with the EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B, AWACS. Training with these assets makes it easier for them to deal with the J-16s jamming as well EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B counter jamming
The J-16 last and by far biggest problem is the RC-135 Rivet Joint and Combat Sent which can read the J-16s jamming
So J-20's role has been drastically reduce and only getting worst
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Lay off the potato juice there buddy
In a shooting war between Russia and NATO
artillery is not even a foot note
While Ukraine lacks capable air power, NATO has it in spades
Russia is facing Ukraine with handful of Harpoon, ATACMS and Storm Shadow/SCALP
Against NATO
its
TLAM, McND, KEPD-350, JASSM, JSOW ,JSM, SLAM-ER, LRASM plus Harpoon, ATACMS and Storm Shadow/SCALP
and unlike Ukraine, NATO has very healthy stockpile and plenty of aircraft to use them
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No, the F-16 will Russia's worst nightmare
Russia's saving grace is that Ukraine Air force has very limited capabilities
The F-16 changes that
First the Black Fleet Sea has operated with impunity because Ukraine has no effective way to get them
The F-16 with Harpoon missiles changes that. With the loss of Moskava, the remaining Russian ships have no long range weapons to prevent Ukraine from taking shots at them
with Harpoons
More the point, the F-16 makes strike against the Black Sea Fleet and bases a reality
Ukraine can't fully use JDAMs and AGM-88 with their existing planes, the F-16 again would Ukraine to use both to maximum potential
Specifically, the AGM-88 with the F-16 can home on jam against Russian electronic warfare assets.
The F-16 has the MTD-STD data bus which allows to be integrated with EU, Israeli and France weapons in additional to the US
While it took months for western weapons to added to Ukrainian jets
The F-16 can be integrated with Storm Shadow and KEPD-350 a fraction of the time. Depending on the weapon, a few days at most
Lastly unlike Ukraine's current aircraft, the F-16 has modern RWR, MAWS , EW as well as radar which means they can detect when Su-35s are trying to lock them up in BVR
and actually counter
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@lenin soraisham
This conflict has become low intensity which the Russia military is ill equipped to fight
Right now its hype vs reality and Russian forces so far are all hype
Hype
During a reported test conducted by the Russian military in 1999 the T-90 was exposed to a variety of RPG, ATGM and APFSDS munitions. When equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA the T-90 could not be penetrated by any of the APFSDS or ATGM used during the trial
Reality
Despite claims that Russia ERA can protect tanks from ATGM, Russia tankers were still seen welding cope cages on their tanks yet
Russia tanks still were shredded by ATGMs
See because of budget cuts, they had to steel instead of Stalinium
The Hype
he Defense System President-S, also referred to as BKO, is a fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft protection system designed to defeat incoming infrared-guided missiles by laser and radiofrequency/electronic jamming of the missile's seeker. President-S is intended to defeat primarily man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) such as the Russian Igla and the United States Stinger shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles. KRET and Ekran tested this system firing Igla missiles at a President-S equipped Mi-8 helicopter fixed up on a special rig. During the tests, several missiles were fired from a distance of 1,000 meters with no missile reaching its target due to the highly effective jamming.
Reality
The Ukrainian landscape is strewn with the wreckages of everything from Ka-52s to Su-34s
Today a Su-25 was shown badly damaged, yesterday the Russia MOD released a video, hours later, the KA-52 in the video was shown tore shreds in a field
The day before, Mi-24 was shown getting absolutely destroyed by a MANPAD. Poor crew barely had time to scream shit
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Adding tanks should happen but only when ferrying aircraft from point to point not for combat usage
The point of enhanced performance engine Growth Option 1/2 F-135 and the Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) is doing more with less
The enhancements are designed so the F-35 travels further and faster using less fuel
No need for extra tanks and the extra weight
4th aircraft needed external tanks and CFTs to feed their very hungry engines
Secondly the point of Joint Strike Missile ,GBU-53s, AGM-179 JAGMs and Stand-in Attack Weapon as well the potential powered JDAM is lighter but lethal
The go to weapons for the 4th gen was the 500lbs,1000bs and 2000bs GBUs, 700lbs AGM-65 Maverick and 1500lbs Harpoon
All great weapons but still very heavy for strike aircraft to use.
The newer generation of weapons do the same job but able to be carried in larger numbers but still a lighter load than the 4th gen
6 JAGMs is 650lbs compared to 4200lbs just for 6 AGM-65s
16 GBU-53s is 3200lbs compared 8000lbs for 16 500lbs GBU-12s/38s
Since the aircraft carrying lighter loads, their fuel economy is far better
Adding tanks for combat is a step back not forward
if they really want a fuel pod, then, they should look at the enclosed weapons pod (EWP) from the Advanced hornet program
The pod is designed to be stealthy but also able to a variety of weapons
instead of wasting space simply for fuel, make the EWP multi function able to carry fuel ,weapons decoys, EW
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Tanks usefulness depends on various factors, the first being the combatants
Again a country like the US, tanks are useless. The US sure kill way of killing tanks dates back to 1991 Tank Plinking where US forces were shredding Iraqi tanks by dropping 500lbs GBU-12s.That worked then and even now against the newer tanks like T-14, Armata, it still works. The US military has endless ways of dealing with armor
The problem now is that ATGMs have gotten, lighter , longer range, better seekers and improved warhead
Example. the GAZ Tigr with Kornet, Israeli Spike NLOS, Tomcar/Sandcar and the US made JTLV with ATGMs are all lightweight assets that can be easily deployed and able to deal with armor
The Israeli Spike NLOS, Tomcar/Sandcar topping the scales with its lethality as the Spike NLOS can be launched from 16 miles away,. The Tomcar system is light enough to be carried by MV-22, CH-47 or CH-53 internally but most importantly, the NLOS can perform 90 degree drop on targets which allows to bypass tanks countermeasures
The future of armor depends entirely on support from EW an SHORAD
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As far countering tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft goes, the J-20 is pretty much becoming useless in that regard
One of the unique features of the IRIS-T is that seeker is sensitive enough to allow it to be targeted against both air to air and surface to air missiles
The Russian R-77 also claims the same performance ,able to down both air to air and surface to air missiles as well precision-guided munitions
The AIM-120D FR3 currently adds that ability to target both air to air and surface to air missiles as does the AIM-260 JATM
The F-15EX with AMBER can carry up 22 AIM-120s vs the J-20 load of just 4 BVR missiles ,even without AMBER, the F-15EX still carries 8 AIM-120
The J-20's ability to target tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR relies them attacking from outside defending fighters range,however its moot if the defenders can shoot down the missiles
In order to protect the missiles, they will need J-16 EW to jam radar, without , those missiles won't get near tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR and they can't risk getting up close
The J-16 problem is that the E-3 , E-2D and the E-7 would not have any issues with its jamming. Unlike the Russia, the US heavily invested in aerial jamming with the EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B, AWACS. Training with these assets makes it easier for them to deal with the J-16s jamming as well EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B counter jamming
The J-16 last and by far biggest problem is the RC-135 Rivet Joint and Combat Sent which can read the J-16s jamming
So J-20's role has quite a hurdles to overcome
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@Fng_1975
No you did not
The Navy admiralty never liked the F-14 because they argued that it took money away from their budget for more ships- False
First ships, subs and, aircraft all have completely different pots of money that they draw from and second most importantly, aircraft considerably cheaper than ships
Boeing received a $4 billion contract to deliver 78 Block III Super Hornets
Under the defense funding bill, the US plans to spend $4.9 billion for three Arleigh Burke-class destroyers in 2022
$3.45 billion per unit w/ VPM for Block V Virginia class sub
There are no figures on the exact cost of the Spruance class but Burke was 778mil- 1.8b early estimate
F-14D was estimated at 74 mil per copy
37 were built new which is 2.7B
How many ships could the USN build for 2.7B in late 80s dollars,
Depending on class, in some cases 1 ship hence why they completely different pots of money
Now the USN problems with its aircraft in the 80s was clutter
They F-4s, A-7Es ,A-6E, KA-6D, EA-6Bs, RA-5Cs, S-3s, RF-8s, F-18s, EA-3B an F-14 and even some cases A-4s
The money problem had nothing to do with ships but rather simple too many types of aircraft in service overlapping
They didn't resolve that problem till the Super Hornet program in the 90s
if they had necked down say 1981 to 1983
Its likely that F-14 would have been updated as much as the F-15 was
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if UK decides to provide missiles, the US should switch them out for newer models with land attack capability so Ukraine forces can attack both land and sea targets
If they use combined arms like the US does, they can really inflict serious damage
For attack land targets, have special forces use switch blade 600s to knock out Buk, Tor ,Panstir S1 or Tunguska that would be defending the base
While attacking, they can use target designation units uses to pull coordinates for the Harpoons to use
With an airfield, thats missile in the munition storage, another in fuel depot, another in communcations, Depending on how the aircraft are spaced out out
3 missile in precise locations can destroy a number of aircraft
Rinse and repeat on Russia bases, As the Harpoon carries a larger warhead , vehicles convoys can be targeted
As for attack ships
unlike they are in port or supply ships, they shouldnt waste the time
warships have ample defenses
Ironically what Ukraine needs is MK60 CAPTOR mines or similar lightweight torpedos that small ships can use
Just as the US used PT boats in WW2
Ukraine could equip small boats with Mk-46
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@bagamut
First
there are no orders for the Su-57E as Alegria nas placed no such order as hasn't confirmed yet.
Russia ordering is not the export market. we are taking about orders outside of Russia
50 Su-35 sold 2007. oh wow 50 planes in 15 years LOL
75 percent of Su-30 orders are India, Russia and China, everyone else is just handful
Again does not compare
As for MIG-29K, that why India is trying to replace it
PESA is not AESA
Neither Su-30, Su-35 or MIG-35 have targeting pod as the Russia air force doesnt have any
Neither Su-30,Su-35 or MiG-35 has Advanced targeting pods, Software defined systems, Advanced networking , Sensor fusion and next gen weapons
Name the targeting pod in wide spread use with the RuAF, there is none
Software defined systems use Wide Area Display system and coding ,the Russia jets still use multipe LCDs and lack coding
The lack of these features is why no one is buying Russian
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@123abcter
Incorrect. AWACS allows for accurate real time tracking which allows forces to kill the problem at the source which is worth the risk
Secondly the S-400 missile range is 250 miles. The problem that assuming that the enemy isnt jamming or actively hunting
When the enemy is jamming and actively hunting, the S-400 won't have time to engage the AWACS
As for sending MIG-31s or Su-35 with the R-37 , while it can engage an AWACS 250 miles , it still requires communication from the Su-35 or MIG-31 to stay on course till its onboard seeker takes over for ARH mode or designation from the Su-35 or MIG-31 in SARH mode
However if you jamming comms, the missile is basically useless
With missile this size, its seeker range is likely between 30-50 miles
The problem with anti-AWACS missiles is that there are too many variables
If they fire at max range, as long as the enemy jam communication, the missile can't stay on target
If they fire at the missile and use their own board radar, they have contend with jamming but it also requires them to keep the target painted which leave them defenseless to defending fighters
if they try to get missile close enough so it seeker can automatically take over ,they have contend with defending fighters once again
Newer missiles like the Meteor , IRIS-T , models of the R-77 and the newer AIM-120D FR3 in testing have the ability to shoot missiles out of air
Thats Cruise missiles, Surface to air missiles and even air to air missiles
While the Su-35 can carry up 12 R-77s, the F-15EX with AMBER can carry up 22 AIM-120 which means 1 vs 1 or in numbers
The F-15EX outshoots the Su-35
The ability of shooting the enemy's missiles out of air reduces the threat to AWACS from other aircraft
The development of hypersonic weapons for ground targets is other problem for drones and the S-400
as AWACS can track the launch site in real time, they can forward the info another asset with hypersonic weapons
Example the AGM-183 at its design speed of Mach 20 can cover 250 miles in 60 ish seconds
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Again with the asinine comments
Quote direct from the USAF
The F-15E Strike Eagle is a dual-role fighter designed to perform air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.
Previous models of the F-15 are assigned air-to-air roles; the "E" model is a dual-role fighter. It has the capability to fight its way to a target over long ranges, destroy enemy ground positions and fight its way out.
whereas the The F-15 Eagle is an all-weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter designed to permit the Air Force to gain and maintain air supremacy over the battlefield
Now the F-22
The F-22, a critical component of the Global Strike Task Force, is designed to project air dominance, rapidly and at great distances and defeat threats attempting to deny access to our nation's Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps.
and lastly the F-16
The F-16 Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack.
The direct quotes from the USAF clearly established that air superiority is the primary mission F-22 and F-15 while both F-16 and F-15E are primary mission is air to ground
Again direct from the USAF
The aircraft designation was the F/A-22 for a short time before being renamed F-22A in December 2005.
I can't tell if you are stupid or just plain dense, the aircraft carried the designation for literally 8 years
it changing from F/A-22 to the F-22A again, thats the US military using a new designation system
its called Block III moron because no one except you moronic ass fells like saying FA/-18 E/F Block III Super Hornets
its simplified to Block III and only idiots like yourself get confused
Another reason you just made yourself look like the ass you are
that the naming system applies to helicopters and support aircraft like tankers. Such as the C-130 and the KC-130. Wrong
The Army's MH-60L DAP: The Direct Action Penetrator (DAP) carries the same load out as AH-64 yet its designated as M not A
The USN SH-60, HH-60H, MH-60R and MH-60S like DAP carries same load but again not designated A
The KC-130 in USMC service acts as tanker ,transport and with Harvest HAWK as gunship again no name change
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Sci fi armor has several functional issues
First , if someone gets hit and needs medical attention, its pain in the ass to get off.
Second, normal body armor, they simply replace the strike plate and patch the vest and call it a day , back in action. unless the vest and plates are too damaged
With sci fi, armor, back to point one
The armor has to be thick enough to withstand 12.7mm directly and repeatedly but not so heavy that movement is cumbersome
Iron man style armor not likely.
In the movie , Edge of tomorrow, that armor is very realistic and easily made with current technology ,the only problem is lack of ballistic protection from bullets and shrapnel
Full body armor will be mesh of ceramic with some metal
but not like the movies
Personally Garsarki would be a better option
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While HB 612 is massive step forward, its still only triaging the problem
If the owner calls law enforcement, then squatter must provide on the spot, the lease and proof of payment to law enforcement showing they have an actual agreement with the owner and have been making payments. if provided, the squatter is informed that law enforcement will verify their claim with 24 hours and if found to be false, they will be arrested for breaking and entering, fined for any property damaged , fined for any bills that the owner had to pay and fined the amount claimed on the lease
The other side of the coin if the owner is found to be lying, then they will be fined for a false report
Both parties can argue fines in court and the judge will decide on whether or not if it should be imposed
Thats just for starters
Like everything, it will be revised over time to adjust for squatter tactics but if you start putting squatters in jail and making them pay money for the damages and bills
They will stop
Additionally, the law should be revised so homeowners can cut off power and utilities and make so that squatter cant get turn back on
Lastly, if the homeowner reports that the people occupying the property has changed the locks, then thats grounds for automatic removal
There is no leasing or renting company that ever allows the occupant to change the locks as they dont own the property
So they either hand over the keys or be removed
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@donkoh5738
100 percent incorrect
The F-22 came at the end of the Cold War and Congress went on rampage of cancelling programs. The problem was that F-15 had performed beautifully as well being still being relatively new. Additionally the F-15 was being exported while the F-22 was not. The USAF managed to save it but they reduce many of its capabilities as funding was now scarce. By 2000, the F-15 was at the point where the F-22 could start replacing it, then Sept 11 and Iraq caused funding to shift to asymmetric counterinsurgency warfare. Then you had all the wrong people in positions. The people making the decisions about the F-22 had zero military experience and did understand the need for remaining ahead of the game. How ironic was it when Su-57 and J-20 program became active, Congress scrambled to get more F-22 but their predecessors had already fucked that up
The F-22 tech was old, however with an open production line, a prospective F-22C would address any shortcomings
A prospective F-22C would have adopted the F-35s, programing, EOTS, DAS, HMS and redesigned weapons bay for better multi mission capabilities
Much like how the F-15 was developed into the F-15EX, the F-22 with an open production line would have done the same
The F-22 was cancelled not because of tech but because of asshole penny pinching
Same idiots that tried to cancel the MV-22s. Obama and Gates cancelled a lot DOD progams and alot of blood is on their hands because of it
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@imgvillasrc1608
Hence why they are great examples
Iraq massively numbered the West with tanks and the NATO forces. Even though the Abrams and Challenger 1 were vastly superior , Iraqi still had the numbers on their side and the only way to thin those numbers out was air power which was jets and gunships
Ironically Ukraine and Iraq examples of logistics In both cases, the advancing forces outpaced their logistics and gave the enemy time to dig in
For Iraq, it was moot because strikes from precision guided munitions destroyed their fortifications while in Ukraine, it gave them time to destroy Russian forces logistics and forced them to break off their attack
The point is why bother trying with the logistic boon trying to bring heavy armor when airpower can do the job faster and more much efficiently
Abrams and Challenger 2 going toe to toe T-90s and T-14s would a mixed bag
some tanks would be destroyed , some disabled or other damaged
In the aftermath , both sides would be working overtime trying to get disabled and damaged assets back into the fight
The 500lbs bomb is the trifecta
First, its total asset denial. there is nothing to recover or salvage
Second, loss of experience crew. It months train crews and many battle for them to gain experience. With tank vs tank, its possible for crews to survive and simply come in another tank and use the lessons from last time ,hence why reducing that tank to a literally a smoking hole on the ground of twisted metal and impact crater is preferred
Lastly, its the ultimate in demoralizing the enemy. You send out a force of tanks and no one comes back. You send out your scouts and they report nothing but smoking holes of of twisted metal and impact craters where the force of tanks use to be
That would mess up the enemy commander and his subordinates in so many ways.
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@imgvillasrc1608
We have ground forces ,however tanks no longer have a role. WW1 and WW2 has nothing to do with modern warfare. Times have literally changed and
Air power is the end all weapon when used correctly
The Iraqis were the outnumbered force, not the Coalition-False, Iraq was literally the 4th Largest army at time and still outnumbered the coalition forces hence why the coalition opted for 42 days of consecutive strikes which greatly thinned out Iraq's forces. Even the Republican Guard said uncle against consecutive strikes from B-52s
Russian forces don't suck, they are poorly equipped.
Western aircraft used highly advanced targeting pods while Russian aircraft do not. They rely on their OLS and SVP-24 which have proven to be woefully inadequate
Western aircraft munitions are standardized through out their air forces. The Russian KAB-series is not used by any of their bombers and only handful of aircraft can use the KAB and even fewer can used the newer models of KAB. Same with other air to ground munitions, just a mixed bag with no rhyme or reason
Long story short, Russia claim has always been that US weapons and tech are exotic and overly expensive while their tech is 1/4 the cost but just as effective
Ukraine has proven that notion to be 100 percent false.
The point isnt logistics, the point is why bother with tanks
1 Abrams needs 500 gallons of fuel while Stryker needs 56 gallons and JTLV 45 gallons
1 Fuel tanker with 2500 gallons can refuel 5 tanks 1 while same tanker can refuel 12 Strykers up 3 times or 12 JTLV 4
You're assuming that every commander on each side are the same -False, the T-14 and T-90 are Russia's best protected tanks
Its not about tactics, its about survivablity
Abrams have taken multiple hits in engages and been forced to withdraw while others press on
Mixed bag means exactly what I said
some tanks would be destroyed , some disabled or other damaged
Abrams will not destroy T-14s or T-90 as easily as it did with T-72s in Iraq
Why would you send out a force of tanks against a plane that has a 500 ibs bomb? No one in their right mind does that. When such a scenario happens they send interceptors
For someone who claims "The one with better strategy and tactics win" you are absolutely clueless on how airpower works and that explains a lot actually
Guess is my day for spelling out the obvious
The US would deploy E-8 JSTARS provide movements and intelligence while AWACS monitors sky with F-22s at the ready
In Iraq, they feinted movements which drew out the Iraqi forces
News flash, that tactic still works today. By utilizing a feint, they draw the enemy into the kill box. Once the enemy is in kill box, the strike package launches. EA-18Gs start jamming while B-52s orbiting utilize ARRWs to neutralize Buk, S-300 and S-400. Additional EA-18Gs target Panstir S1, Tunguska and Tor units that might be defending. Enemy AWACS scramble interceptors ,however EA-18G that were jamming the SAMS are now jamming them so they can't provide the interceptors with any information. The F-15Es loaded with 16 JDAMs press to the kill box and go to work. The GBU-54 JDAM uses both laser and GPS and be launched from 15 miles well outside MANPADS. SHORADs are not strong enough to resist EA-18G jamming. While the F-15E are working ,the F-22s are pressing towards the interceptors and enemy AWACS
Your false assumption is that strike package wouldnt include counter air assets. The US, UK, France and all Western air forces always have counter air assets when dealing with contested air space. In the case of the US, air fields, aircraft and SAM sites are target one from the start of any conflict so the odds of the enemy having any aircraft to defend is very low
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How about wrong on all counts
F-14, F-15 and F-16 were built with the notion that they had to fight their way in and out of theater
The advent of air launched cruise missiles and precision munitions changed that notion
Simply put, why fight the enemy in the air when its faster and more efficient to kill them on ground
The F-35s uses its stealth neutralizes the enemy defenses while cruise missile strike the enemy's air field
all the missiles have to do is crater the runway and taxiways and enemy's air power is stuck till combat engineers can fill in the holes and put matting over it
By that time that happens, the second wave of F-35 is already over head and starting pounding the airfield with GBU-12s and 16s
As for the enemy's airborne assets ,they are not going to engage as the base is toast
its engage and run out fuel or withdraw possibility make to another base
The fact fun about this is that it easy to plan
Reconnaissance watches the enemy's movements and provides info you can strike when their airborne assets are the lowest on fuel and able either RTB or a hit tanker
As for Russia and China's claim about anti-stealth
100 percent hot air
To test out anti-stealth measures
The US has B-2, F-117s, F-22s and F-35s plus RQ drones
whats does China or Russia have
China has the J-20s which stealth is hilarious inferior as well as few drone
Russia has Su-57 again with the hilarious inferior stealth and a few drones
The US has dissimilar aircraft using various designs which neither Russia nor China has
Lastly
we are in hypersonic weapons now and SAM sites are screwed
The S-400 claims 250 mile missile range
A Mach 5 weapon would be on its door step in 5 mins while Mach 10 in as little as 2 mins
Now good ole Uncle TLAM needs 40 mins to cover that distance
can EA-18G keep an S-400 suppress for 40 mins, not on its best day
Worst, an Su-35 only needs 7 mins to get with range with R-37s
With hypersonic weapons , the EA-18Gs only needs to keep the S-400 suppressed for 2 to 5 mins which it can easily do and still have ample to time to withdraw denying the Su-35
As the US is getting into the air launched ultra long range air to air missile business., enemy AWACS are targets at much longer ranges
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@RT-fq3tp
Again
Ships have specific assignments besides the CVNs, Amphibious assault groups and supply lines have to be protected as well.
Ships are stationed in specific locations for the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System. Ships are also assigned picket duties off coast of US ,Alaska, Guam and Hawaii
The USN can't and won't focus its assets like that
The cost of you moving ship is creating a hole that an enemy can exploit so no ships will maintain their assignments
Secondly AEGIS shorter range is why ships are in exact positions. Their exact positions allow them to create an effective screen so if something does get past them
the GBI, PAC-3s and THAADs can take over
Now if there is operational need, they have ships in reserve to chose from.
"You might want to brush up on modern day war doctrines"
You burn whatever book are you getting these idiotic notions
A war with Russia and China is going to be very long and very drawn out
Keeping the entire fleet at sea is going burn through resources and personnel
They are simple not going to do it
Short of nuclear, weapon, neither Russia or China has the conventional means to strike US bases on the coasts
Russia can attack Alaska with ease but Alaska has plenty weapons
China can only attack Guam with DF-26
Neither can send aircraft nor Surface ship
they can only send subs and even then its one way trip for them
Again wrong
its called the MK-41 VLS. DDGs can hold 96 missiles while CGs hold 122
One DDG and CG gives you 218 missiles, you dont need a many ships, just 2 per base with backup from THAAD and PAC-3
Since the ships pulling picket duty, they can be loaded with SM-2/3/6 and ESSM for anti air defense
where is this idiotic notion coming from that US need dozens of ships per base
You dont put multiple subs in the same area, it causes too many problems
They surged them to the SCS but again, each was assigned it own kill box
When you are in your own kill box, you spend less time trying to figure out friend or foe
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A realistic answer is that NATO will easily remove Russia from Ukraine
Here are real facts
The Ukrainian air force has few aircraft able to use Storm/SCALP
In fight with NATO, it will be Storm Shadow, KEPD-350, JASSM , SLAM-ER, RBS-15 coming from dozens of aircraft
The Ukrainian army has no gunships whereas NATO has Apache, Cobra, Tigre and Mangusta for hunting Russian armor
In addition , NATO has access ATACMS ,more the point, the max range variant and the US Army confimed PrSMs deliveries started in Dec 23
Lastly Russian air defense have benefited from the fact the Ukrainian air force can't fully use the AGM-88 whereas NATO aircraft can and has access to the newer models
Additional Russian Sus and MIGs have benefited from the fact the Ukrainian air force has no radar or weapons to fight them with
Again NATO aircraft would have no problems going toe to toe
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Not likely
significant air power or precision munitions say otherwise
Example
That convoy outside Kyiv
The US would have used EA-18Gs with F-35s to knock out the Panstir S1 ,Tor , Buk and Tunguska protecting it while other EA-18G jammed the larger S-400 with F-22s providing cover for the strike package
One F-15E carry up to 28 GBU-53s or 15 JDAMs or 12 CBU-103s or 12 GBU-12s or 8 GBU-31s
First the F-15Es would drop GBU-31s and crater the front and back of the convoy so they are stranded a well crater any road junctions so they can't haul ass
Then remaining planes would drop a combination of GBU-53s, JDAMs ,GBU-12s and CBU-103s
Fact fun, they attack that convoy from 7 miles away which means they are well outside MANPAD range
In all 3 EA-18Gs , 2 F-35s, 4 F-22s and 6 F-15Es with 1 E-3 AWACS and E-8 Joint STARS is the US would need
As glorious as the A-10 would be , Russian troops would have MANPADs plus if any Russia fighter broke through the F-22s
the A-10 can't fight a Su or MIG whereas the EA-18G,F-35, and F-15E can
Thats one option, the US has dozens of options for deal with armor
Hell they coined Tank Plinking by dropping 500lbs GBU-12s in Iraqi tanks
For country that lack both significant air power and precision munitions
Armor can be problem
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@LaikaTheG
No the better question is are you dumb
You can't counter missiles without MAWS and RWR together
Secondly MAWS is not an IR sensor
MAWS is divided into 3 groups, Pulse-Doppler radar, Infrared, and Ultraviolet systems, 1 type using radar, 1 use IR and the other UV
RWRs only detect RF and any RF can potentially trigger a RWR hence why is combined with MAWS to avoid false positive
So you literally have no idea what you are talking about
lso they weren’t cheap exports migs.
Now you are simply trying to rewrite history. its well known and even widely available that Russian export MIGs were watered down
The MIG-21 non export models had both RWR and MAWS, the exactly model and features are not known
Again you literally have no idea what you are talking about, its like basic research is beyond you
The MIG-21 by 1968 were 3rd generation models
First generation between 1957 and 1961 likely lacked it ,however the Iraqi air force had MiG-21MF and Bis models
Both Modernised models with various types
You had said that the f14 didn’t have very many air to air kills to which I replied it had more than the f15 that you were comparing it to.
Although impossible for you, lets use simple logic
why would the USN ,DOD and Congress care about the F-14's performance in enemy hands?
Iran is legendary for over exaggeration. In US hands as no one in the USN, DOD or Congress would give a shit about what Iran was doing
the F-14 had very little kills
Then you said those kills were a moot point because the f14 out,arched the Iraqis- what in the hell are you rambling
So you have literally proved nothing but rambling on on so far as the end of the F-14 is not coming back
I already proved that F-18 was the right choice from the start
As stated before,
The F-18A had AGM-84 ASM, AGM-62 Walleye, AGM-88 HARM and the TV guided versions AGM-65 Maverick from the start
The F-14 no such capability
By the F-18C, it was can carry the AIM-120 AMRAAM, AGM-84E SLAM and the IR guided versions AGM-65 Maverick
Again no such capability with F-14
you are claiming that F-14 could of should of would of ,however it was not tested with any of those weapons except for the AIM-120
Everything have said about the F-14 is literally wishful thinking whereas everything I have stated is already established facts
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@josephkugel5099
it would be FAR superior to any Hornet. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!
FYI, that period makes jack and shit as told the other one, you are just making wild assumption, and wishful thinking, the F-14s are shredded never to return while the F-18 is continuing to move on
Now
What I am sayings is that you are completely clueless
The F-14 was built with the stores' management system to accommodate the AIM-54. Accommodating the ALQ-99 is more than just attaching pods
If it was that simple, the EA-18G wouldnt exist. Case in the point, the AIM-54 ECCM imposed speed limitations
I see absolutely NO reason - here's though ,get some glasses
The EA-18G like EA-6B carries the pods on external wing stations with a clear and unobstructed ,
No possible for the F-14
As for Iran's kills, again, Iran' is legendary for over exaggerations. The key defenses is the F-15 in Israeli's was no exaggeration as the Israel provided the US with information regarding the F-15 strengths and weaknesses allowing them improve. All your so called data is literally hearsay data with nothing to validate it
What Iran did literally does not factor in
Again wrong, Iran has barely kept its F-14 airborne. The fact that they reversed engineered F-5s but not F-14 show how its too complex for them
If Iran was as smart as you claim, they would have been building more F-14, but they can't all they can do exaggerate
Again a kill is kill regardless of differences of age and type
The Russian air forces using modern R-37s and R-77s against Ukrainian air force
Those are all old MIGs and Su-27s that haven't updated since the 90s vs newer and modernized Su-35
You idiots really need to get it through your head ,that no one fights fair
F-14D was the most advance fighter during the Gulf war it was not an exaggeration
It absolutely is exaggeration. first the F-14D was not delivered in time for the Gulf War, the only models in the Gulf were the F-14A and F-14A+
No D models made it to the Gulf
but please continue with the exaggerations
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The coping is strong with you
The shoot down was luck not skill
The F-117 was not retired from combat service till 2008
As for the shoot down, the Serbs literally handed the US military multi billion-dollar gift horse and they thank you for that
First , Serb defenses exposed the massive short comings with US military SEAD
The EA-6B could loiter for hours, however its pedestrian speed 500 mph meant that it could not deal with time sensitive targets
The Serb defenses kept popping on and off , and the by the time EA-6B got near, they were long gone
The EU Tornado ECR had the speed and weapons but not the sensors like the EA-6B hence why the EA-18G was developed. An aircraft with all 3
Speed, weapons and sensors able to deal with time sensitive targets as well as off and on tactics that Serbs were using.
Another short coming was lack of communication , SEAD aircraft could not effectively communicate target info to other assets that were closer than them
Hence why link 16 was rolled out to every aircraft .
Second, the AGM-88 required radars to be active for targeting. Fast forward to the AGM-88G. The G model is literally a mini cruise able to target anything fixed or moving
even if the radar is off, the G model can switch to Active radar homing and zero in. Second fun fact is data linked so the missile can updated with target info
The Serb force had plenty of in forest and only F-15E and F-16s with LANTRIN pods could locate them, Now every strike aircraft has either SNIPER or LITENING pods which means there is no more hiding
Lastly as for stealth, why do you think , stealth programs are still active, not because the shoot down was skill but countries understood the mechanics of the shoot down and it was literally dumb luck.
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@ApothecaryTerry
When they sank the Moskava, what did Russian forces lose beside their flagship ?
The Moskava had several far more powerful surveillance radars for both air and sea targets than the Admiral Grigorovich-class
The weapon capability of the Moskava was also superior. In short, they lost their most capable asset
How did that help Ukraine, without the Moskava capabilites , the Black Fleet capabilites as whole was greatly reduced
With the Crimea attack, again what did Russia lose. 9 aircraft plus personnel and substantial damage
Again how did that help Ukraine
Thats 9 aircraft plus personnel that have to be replaced and base that needs repair
Russian can lose armor and other equipment on the ground, that's expected
but aircraft are extremely hard to replace
Russian boasted it was flying hundreds of sorties, What happens when Ukraine forces have knocked out their airfields
Without drones or recon aircraft providing intel on Ukraine forces movements, Russian forces are blinded
Without aircraft attacking Ukrainian targets,
When the West goes in , they go after the enemy's ability to defend and conduct offensive operations
Specific assets are targeted, Airfields get smoked so the enemy can't put planes in the air. Air defense units are smoked so western strike fighters have free reign
While the Ukrainian air forces does not have many weapons
They do have KH-25s and KH-29s. Poland also have both those missiles
Which goes to back to Kherson, Ukrainian grounds should have knocked out Russian defenses and had SU-24 strike the bridge
The KH-29 has 705lbs warhead it would have easily destroyed key sections of the bridge
The Ukraine forces lack of combined both air and ground is killing their progress
Again
if this was Feb or March, bragging or underperforming would be acceptable but its 6 months later and not only 6 months later
Ukraine forces are actually counter attacking using low budget combo of weapons which Russian's forces can't stop?
Compared to what the Russian military has access to , the use HIMARS, and other SPA is low budget
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@Anton Smirnov
So in other words,you literally have no idea what you are talking about
Lets recap
The West has advance targeting pods whereas Russia ???
The West has dual and tri mode bombs whereas Russia KAB-series is still single mode ?
Specifically, several western countries have developed precision kits to iron bomb into smart bombs, Russia has no such capability
90 percent of western aircraft has AESA radars whereas Russia again???
And thats just one area
Indian refused to buy the Su-57 because of facts not ideology
"Defence Minister A K Antony has been saying the FGFA would join the Indian Air Force by 2017. On Monday, his deputy, M M Pallam Raju, told Parliament, “The fifth generation aircraft is scheduled to be certified by 2019, following which the series production will start.”
The fact was the Su-57 was going nowhere. Instead of hundreds of aircraft by 2017
In 2017, Russia was still in the prototype stage with a handful of aircraft and nowhere close to building the FGFA
Even now, Russian still has just a few examples
And your point about Pyotr Ufimcev is what exactly? hes not the first nor will be the last person who came up with a theory that others put into practice
Society has been doing that since BC
As for the lost of the F-117
Again your point is exactly what ?
The USAF lost an F-117 due to limitations of technology at that time. Today, that won't happen even against an S-400 or S-500
In Serbia, SEAD aircraft could not locate SAM sites unless they were actively transmitting. Second, the AGM-88 still needed a source of RF to home in on
SEAD also could not see SAM sites hidden in forrest. Weather also played a factor. In gulf where there was nothing but desert ,SAM hunting was much easier
Today all those limitations have to fixed
As mentioned before Western aircraft have high resolution target pods that allow to ID targets from 30 plus miles away in all weather conditions
Instead of solely relying on aircraft with AGM-88s , SEAD can locate targets and vector aircraft with bombs in for the kill
Even if the site tries to go active, the SEAD can jam their radars long enough for other aircraft to strike
The AGM-88 has been upgraded into all purpose weapon which no long relies on RF homing
The lost of the F-117 was more than S-125 doing point and shoot. It took a lot of effort
Thats why stealth is still very much active because all the major players understood what and why with the lost of the F-117
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@thethirdman225
If you are superpower as Russia claims, then allies don't matter as you are able to go it alone
Operation El Dorado Canyon AKA 1986 United States bombing of Libya
United States was denied overflight rights by France, Spain, and Italy as well as the use of European continental bases
Yet despite being denied overflight , the US still carried out the strikes with minimal losses
The amount of foreign tech in the US military is barely 15 percent
The US has complete industrial independence as they only reach out to other countries as needed
How the hell do you know what Russia’s industrial capacity is
Are you seriously that blind or seriously that stupid
In the West, AESA radar are literally standard , whereas Russia, just the Su-57 and MIG-35 have it
To date ,there no plans upgrade any Su-30s, Su-34s or Su-35s with AESA ???
In the West , target pods again, standard whereas again only Su-57 and MIG-35 have systems similar to western aircraft
Again no plans
The list of Russia's lack off upgrading to modern standards says it all
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@mikhaillobach3152
So basically just 100 percent Russian propaganda
FYI, you should read before you poist
Ukraine agreed to Russia's demand never to join NATO-, that never happened
If Ukraine had made such a concession, this conflict would have been over months ago
Russia was forced to abandoned Kyiv as their logistics failed miserably
Secondly everything you have said has been in Eastern Ukraine ,
Tactically speaking, has been a major embarrassment for the Russia military
The loss of the Moskava and lack of replacement is massive embarrassment for the Russian navy to loss a ship to knock off missiles
Russian army get shredded daily to point where Russian tank turrets are flying more than the Russian air force
As for HIMARS destruction, again 100 percent Russian propaganda
The towed M777s were destroyed because they require 5 mins to set up, another 5 for the fire mission and 5 more to break and move
US crews train for 10-15 mins max , Ukrainian are likely 15-20 mins. Depending on range ,even at, 20 miles ,thats still enough time for UAV to get over head
The HIMARS can set up, fire and break in 5 mins. The missiles are preloaded while the HIMARS is on the move so they dont have to wait for coordinates
Unless Russia has jets near the target , The HIMARS shoot and scoots too fast for UAVs or Helicopters to get eyes on
Problem two is enough if they get eyes on, HIMARS travel with MANPADS so odds are, that KA-52 or Su-30 won't come back
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Army is likely interested to see what tech can be retrofitted to the Abrams
They may bridge the Decisive Lethality Platform with upgraded Abrams SEPV5 or even revive the M1A3 for high low mix
As for the 130mm
No likely
two key points, Ukraine and depleted uranium
Ukraine forces have captured and turned over T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90s to west
While the armor packs may not been up to spec, the tanks themselves still yield valuable data as for weak points as well exactly thickness of the armor in key locations
If the T-72B3, T-80BVM andT-90M did have actual Relikt ERA installed , then West will able to accurate performance data on how well their armor-piercing, fin-stabilized, discarding sabot (APFSDS) perform against Russia's second best ERA
Countries in EU have banned their militaries from using depleted uranium rounds. This is where is get funny
The belief was that the existing 120mm rounds would be unable to penetrate Russia's newer ERAs like Relikt and Malachit hence the development of the 130mm
The West acquisition of Russian armor will make or break the 130mm gun. The US has no such restrictions with DU hence why they are bullish about the 130mm
Tungsten rounds can achieve penetration but DU has penetration plus additional effects. DU is naturally self sharpening. So even against composite armor, it still retains its shape. Tungsten is not naturally self sharpening and will blunt depending on the composite armor. DU is very dense metal, only few metal and alloys are denser than DU. DU''s most prized effect is that its pyrophoric, it literally self ignites
When the round makes contact, its burns and remains sharp. That combination has proven to highly effective against armor
The West acquisition of Russian armor, specially allow the US to test out the effectiveness of its new M829 round
If the US quietly announces M829A5 or they are trying their hat into 130mm program
it probadly means that results were not stellar.
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@nggames1246
The Type-055 is a lot of things but superior to USN CGs and DDGs is not one them
With the exception of the DDG-1000s, All USN CGs and DDGs use the LM-2500s whereas Type 055 uses the QC-280 which is only common to the Type-055 and Type-052
The commonality of engines makes supply, logistics and maintenance very simplified for the USN, the PLAN not so much
With the exception of the DDG-1000s, All USN CGs and DDGs, SPY-1 and AEGIS whereas again with the PLAN, systems and sensors greatly vary between ships
The commonality of systems makes supply, logistics and maintenance very simplified for the USN, the PLAN not so much
With the exception of the DDG-1000s, All USN CGs and DDGs carry the MK-41s which can use SM-2/3/6 ESSM, TLAM, ASROC, Sea Sparrow, JSM. and LRASM
Again weapons vary greatly with the PLAN ships
The commonality of weapons makes supply, logistics and maintenance very simplified for the USN, the PLAN not so much
The PLAN building a few ships does not make them superior to the US
It does make them superior Russian as their Lider class is very much vaporware
The miss mash of capabilites is why the PLAN is no match for the US as too much equipment varies between ships
Now they trying to get commonality with Type-055 and Type-052D but have a very very long way to go
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@Matt-yg8ub
That would false
For starters, Lockheed is not invested in the shell business, their bread and butter are missiles. Secondly you are forgetting about cost and capabilities.
So that round that cost 5,000 means that it has room to grow. The Excalibur started out 260,000 per round in 2016, by 2018, it dropped to 70,000 per round
As its cost has dropped. there investments to give the round laser guided for moving targets as well MMW seeker for all weather fire and forget
plus additional investments for more advanced seekers and different payloads. That round cost has grown to 112,000 but the additional capabilities that has makes procurement that much easier. Lastly, the USN would prefer not to have to expend that million dollar missile unless absolutely necessary
Raytheon who makes the Excalibur received a $56.6 million contract in 2012, then 54 mil in 2013, then another 52 in 2014
Raytheon has been getting 50 mil per contract almost yearly
You forget the USN did canx the LRALP due its cost
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@Mordalo
Ah yes, denial
The US would easily dominate both Russia and China ," Notion that The US could not win against Russia currently. We could not win against China either" is pure propaganda
lets recap
The USN DDGs and CGs all have the MK-41 1 Vertical Launching System which allows USN ships to mix and match between 90 to 122 missiles depending on ship class
The Russian navy only ships with VLS is frigates and the 2 Kirovs'. The rest of their fleet is The Slava , Sovremenny and Udaloy class are woefully out of dated and obsolete
The Chinese has upgraded their Type-52D with VLS and the newer Type-55 ,however pound for pound, the USN still out guns both Russian and Chinese ships
The Chinese Type-52D VLS capacity is 64 cells while the DDG-51 class is 90-96 cell. The Type-055 carries 112 while Ticonderoga class carries 122
Most importantly, the US RIM-162 ESSM can be quad-packed 4 missiles in 1 cell which allows USN ships to carry more missile per cell and substantially more missiles than both China and Russia ships
The US military greatest strength is tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft which again China and Russia lacks
The Russian military only has a handful of Il-78 tankers and rest is buddy store kits. The Chinese are in same boat but far worst as their only tanker is the modded H-6
The Chinese planned Y-20U tanker only carries up 90 tons of fuel
The US has KC-135, KC-10, KC-130, MC-130 and other assets for aerial refueling , Sorry but when it comes to keeping aircraft airborne , neither Russia or China can complete
Same with AWACS and C4ISTAR , the US has plenty while Russia and China have very little to know
Ah yes the famous missiles designed to intercept those assets , sorry no such luck. The newer models of air to air models can shoot does missiles out of the sky
The AIM-120D FR3 and AIM-260 in testing both have upgraded seekers sensitive enough to target missiles like the R-37 ,PL-21 and PL-15
China's claim DF-21/26 and Russian Kinzhal are easily countered with range. Idiots like you dont understand that concept
By staying at long range, the USN maximizes its interception capabilities
Even though simple math is too much for
The DF-21 claims Mach 10 with 1000 miles range which means it needs 8 mins to reach its target, at 500 miles 3 min 56, the closer the USN gets, the less time they have so why would the USN get close when they ample tankers to send their aircraft over 1000 miles away
they wouldnt clown
The Kinzhal is the same boat
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If Ukraine the time and numbers
that wouldnt matter
The JAS-39 is a lightweight powerhouse and Ukraine would do well with it but I think honestly, Ukraine will look for something else
Problem one
The F-16 can use AGM-88s while JAS-39 cant
The AGM-88 is essential for hunting SAMSs, jammer and other EW sites so its must for Ukraine
so if SAAB wants to sweeten the deal with Ukraine , they need to work on adding the AGM-88 s
Problem two
As Sweden is party to Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM), they wouldnt be able to add cluster munitions to the JAS-39
Ukraine has uses cluster munitions to great effect. While the Alternative Warhead (AW) which produces 182,000 pre-formed tungsten fragments over area has been some what effective
Ukraine has found that standard cluster munitions are far more effective both in anti personnel and anti materiel affects
Ukraine used ATACMS with cluster munitions to shred Russian bases. The F-16 can use CBU-87/89/97 cluster munitions while the JAS-39 due to CCM , SAAB cant support or even allow it
Lastly, the JAS-39 is only intergrated with KEPD-350 which Germany has refused to Ukraine. So for long range precision strike , its Storm Shadow which Lockheed can add
There is the possiblity of JASSM-A
Basically
With the F-16s , there are very few hurdles with weapons whereas the JAS-39 has alot
Honestly, the F-18E/F or Eurofigther Typhoon would be better in the future
Ukraine issue with EW and Jamming,
I wouldnt buy the EA-18G or Typhoon EK
I would follow the Israeli air force path with taking a business jet and making it in to EW platform as well AWACS
killing birds with one stone
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@yellowtunes2756
t's about flying without being interfered by enemy planes, which is the case for Russia-Wrong true air superiority is total and complete control of the battlespace
It's impossible to destroy every piece of equipment on the opposite side- Wrong
USA lost 10k planes and helicopters in Vietnam.- You best statement is war decades ago that has nothing to with modern warfare
your copium is hilarious
Lets get the propaganda out of the way, if Russia destroyed 10 himars and 6 pzh2000 in August, they would have wasted no time parading the wreckage for the world to see yet nada.
US military developed Persistent Air Support (PAS) which allows for total control of the battlespace.
The first asset is the UAVs such as the MQ-9 which can function as both reconnaissance and strike asset
The second is the E-8 JSTARS provide Airborne ground surveillance (AGS) as well communicates with the MQ-9
The JSTARS also provides battle management and command/ control of aircraft. Russia has neither
The newer EA-18G can network together with multiple aircraft allow them generate targeting tracks for hostile radio-frequency sources in real time
They narrow targets to down to very very small areas. Again capability that Russia does not have
US aircraft carry Litening, LANTIRN and SNIPER XR targeting pod, Russia aircraft lack targeting pods
The only Russian aircraft with an actual targeting pod similar to the Western pods is the Su-57. The MIG-35 OLS is basically the 80s era Pave Spike pod
hopeless out dated
JDAM, PAVEWAY, JSOW, JASSM, HARPOON and SDB I/II are standard to virtually all US military strike aircraft
B-2 can't use PAVEWAYs or SDB I/II but it can use most everything else
Lets look at Russian aircraft
Not one Tu-95, Tu-22M or Tu-160 can use any of the KAB-series weapons ,more to the point only few aircraft can use them ?
Same with missiles. In short, the Russian air force virtually no commonality with weapons, its literally a sock draw of capabilities
The Russian air force convinced itself that SVP-24 was good as the western targeting pod and that has been proven false
The short comings of the Russia military is endless
Strange how the Su-33 and MIG-29K are on the sidelines
It's impossible to destroy every piece of equipment on the opposite side- Wrong
Its not about destroying every piece of equipment, its about rendering the enemy combat ineffective which the Russian air force isnt doing
The way you render an enemy combat ineffective by neutralizing their supplies and weapons
its 10 months later and that has yet to happen
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@PerceivedREALITY999
Russia borders Ukraine yet after year and half, they have gotten no where
The US traveled 7000 miles to Iraq and Afghan and had both those countries on their knees in a matter of weeks
Let that sink it
Russia's tactical blunder was failing to secure western Ukraine
By not securing western ukraine, Russia did not cut ukraine off from the West and thus why Russia is currently getting its ass headed to it
lets recap how they screwed up
Since Ukraine still has open line
they have gotten Javelins which have been shredding Russian armor. HIMARS which have sticking with deadly precision, Pzh-2000, CAESAR and other high mobility western 155mm systems. Last but not least Patriot systems
if Russia was not an incompetent jackass, and had cut off Ukraine from the West, this conflict would have been over by April of last year
instead, they have let Ukraine gain a path to victory
Russian's weapon against the US was GPS jammers. Thanks to Ukraine, the US now knows exactly how they work
Russia's Ka-52 and MI-28 have been attacking and once again thanks to Ukraine, the US now knows that its Stryker SHORAD will be ineffective so they have gone back to plans for using the AIM-9X and AIM-120C-5 for SHORAD. The AIM-120C-5 range allow massively out range anything that the KA-52 or MI-28 could carry and unlike MANPAD, the AIM-120s warhead would shatter a KA-52 and Mi-28 like glass
Lastly, the Patriot , NASAMS and IRIS-T are all designed to be network centric which means they transmit data in real time
Once again, Russia's constant missile attacks has only been feeding the West with vital info about Russia missiles and aircraft
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@Alexlucic93
That would be false
First QE even at surge capacity still carries less aircraft than CVN
Secondly with 300 people, how many are below deck in the magazines building up weapons, how many are moving them and how many are in the flight deck doing arm/dearm on aircraft. plenty with room to spare
30 people are working on max 36 aircraft in normal operations while the CVNs has over 75
The highly mechanised weapon handling system does not compare as its operating with far less aircraft and types of weapons
The UK F-35s carry the ASRAAM, Meteor/AIM-120, SPEAR-3 and PAVEWAY IV which is not a lot of weapons
CVNs carry up to 2500lbs class weapons from bunker busters to cruise missiles
As for as space again wrong
CVNs has space for fuel for aircraft, weapons and supplies plus it carry fuel for escorting ships if needed
QE has to have space for its own fuel, then aircraft fuel ,weapons and supplies
So during replishment, they just need fuel for aircraft, weapons and supplies whereas the QE adds needing for itself so its spending more time connected to tanker whereas CVNs spend less
The British are essentially getting 75% of the power projection of a US carrier for less than 1/3 of the price. FALSE
The British are getting 15% of the power projection of a US carrier if even that
Lets recap
USN flight decks include E-2D which vastly superior to the Crownest in use by the UK
C-2 and CMV-22B for carrier onboard delivery which the UK lacks
EA-18 for EW. The F-35 can perform EW but not to the level as the EA-18G
Aerial refueling capability. The USN can use buddy store, the future MQ-25 , or land based whereas the UK has to rely on land based
The Marines are fielding a aerial refueling capability for their MV-22s which the USN can also use or adopt for their own CMV-22B
For the anti-ship, CVNs have the option of the LRASM, Harpoon, SLAM-ER or JSM
The QEs F-35 has no anti ship nor cruise missiles for that matter
And thats for openers
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@Alexlucic93
The US is already has two hypersonic weapons programs in testing and near ready for deployment whereas the UK/France project is where exactly ?
The Future Cruise/Anti-Ship Weapon (FC/ASW) or Perseus is still a paper project and wont be ready anytime soon
For starters
"UK MoD Further Details Interim Anti-Ship Missile Need Through Contract Notice"
UK MoD sent out bid for its I-SSGW which supposed to cover RN till 2030
Another statement from article
"The Royal Navy has set the requirements for a Surface-to-Surface Guided Weapon (SSGW) to ensure they maintain the ability to deter and defeat enemy warships. A competition is now taking place and on current plans, subject to funding, we expect bids to provide a solution to SSGW, by mid-2021"
The UK Mod wouldnt be asking for bids for interim weapon if (FC/ASW) as you claim was to be ready soon
And point about the smaller crew is what exactly
There is reason CVNs are called "floating cities
They have extensive repair capabilities, including a fully equipped Aircraft Intermediate Maintenance Department, a micro-miniature electronics repair shop, and numerous ship repair shops as well 3 million US gallons (11,000 m3) of fuel for her aircraft and escorts, and enough weapons and stores for extended operations without replenishment.
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The refuelling MV-22 will undoubtably be given to the Royal Navy as they’ve already operated from QE and the US marines say it’s the best ship they have ever been on. The U.K. are already working on a refuelling drone. She has also been designed to be CATOBAR or STOVL. Currently STOVL is sufficient if that changes she will be converted. Also as always the U.K. has already designed a Rolling landing procedure which saves fuel and allows aircraft to land with their payload.
Your kidding yourself if you think 4,000 crew do not take up a huge amount of space compared to 1600
Again ding dong, the CVNS are 1092 in length and displacement over 100,000 tons. heres thought, they might of thought when built it
And you really think a carrier should be armed with anti ship missiles?
are you really that stupid
one F-18 or F-35 can 4x LRASM or JSM moron,
Yawn Yawn and even more on your bs information
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@PaulV.
How about no
As stated,
disastrous humiliation for Russia no matter how you try to spin it.
The US traveled 7000 miles to Iraq twice and Afghan and hand both on their knees in weeks
The reason why is why Russia is failing in Ukraine
The US first order of business to cutting both countries off and limiting what outside sources could do
Russia's tactical blunder was not securing borders at Moldova, Slovakia, Poland and Romania
By not cutting off Ukraine from the outsource is why we are 18 months into this conflict
Lets look at other disastrous consequences
The KA-52 and LMUR has been very successful however the cost of that success is that it has show the West that MANPADs as SHORAD wont work against the KA-52, MI-28 and Mi-35s
To that end, the West countries have dusted off old program where air to air missile were used as SHORAD with missiles that massively out range anything Russian gunships could carry
Russia's weapon against the West was GPS and EW
Thanks to Ukraine, most of that has been revealed to the West
NASAMS, Patriot and IRIS are network centric and transmit in real time so every Russian attack with missile, drone and aircraft
that data has been sent back to the West
The T-14 is expensive so the stop gap has been more T-90 variants
T-90/A/KM/S/MS has either been destroyed or captured in Ukraine
So disastrous humiliation for Russia no matter how you try to spin it.
Russia's has claimed its lancet drone is highly effective ,if the US was in Ukraine ,they would have MQ-9s with 8 Hellfires or JDAM for Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS)
unlike the Lancet, when the MQ-9 drops steel, there is no doubt its destroying what it hits
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@MrVioletpandora
There have been 8 F-35 crashes in 15 years
The F-14 had 45 crashes within its first 15
The F-15 was 80 plus
The F-16 was over 200
Compared to the aircraft before, 8 crashes is nothing
Secondly of the 8 , only 3 have question marks. The Japans F-35A, SK F-35A and and UK F-35B were all incidents that weren't fully explained
The F-35 that ended up in the sea was called ramp strike. The F-35 is not first nor will be the last aircraft to do so
Ramp strikes date back to WW2.
If war does break out, Russia is massively screwed
Western aircraft have AESA radars, Sensor Fusion, Advanced networking, Software defined systems , advanced targeting pods and next gen weapons
Thats both 4.5 and 5th
Russia only aircraft with that is the Su-57 and they have ?? maybe 4 operational
They had planned on the Su-57 replacing everything as well as massively exporting it. As the Su-57 flamed out in spectacular fashion, they found themselves without a credible air force hence the rush for Su-35s, MIG-35, Su-27SM3, MIG-29SMT and Su-30SM. Unfortunately, they had wasted so much time with the Su-57, that couldnt afford upgrades that Western 4.5 gen aircraft had
So war does break out, it wont end will for Russias air force
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Next generation tanks need
Lighter weight for better mobility. Getting tanks to battlefield is still logistical challenge
Greater engine efficiency. Most MBTs need at least 300 gallons of fuel for range of 200-300 miles.
Long range precision rounds like the LAHAT, KTSAM or some other gun-launched missile ability to strike targets at least 5 miles away
Thats armor, material and personnel targets
Lastly protection 360 degrees including top attack protection
All that would be nice but the reality is that tanks days are numbers
The US made JTLV recently added the Spike NLOS to its already impressive arsenal of weapons
The JTLV doesn't have tank's heavy armor but what it lacks in armor, it make up with its impressive arsenal of weapons as it can be fitted with a variety of weapons
Additionally, it just needs 40 gals for 300 miles vs a tanks 300 plus for the similar range
Tanks main gun is limited to range of the gun and types of rounds
JTLV can be fitted for anti-air, anti-armor, anti-personnel, EW and anti material but mos importantly, it can be transported via helo
Vehicles like the JTLV are going to be the future
When tanks are already in place, its great but when they are not, its a logistical challenge
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@JethroBodineWhooWee69
Thats not what was said
Miley's statement
Milley said Russia has lost "strategically, operationally and tactically" during a joint news conference with the US Defence Secretary, Lloyd Austin, The Guardian reported
General Mark Milley, Chairman of US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said that neither Russia nor Ukraine is likely to achieve their military aims, and he believes the war will end at the negotiating table,
With Ukraine's current capability and the restrictions in place , that may be true
however if the West lifted all restrictions
Ukraine would be able eject Russia from its territory in a matter of weeks
The HIMARS's deadliest weapon is the ATACMS which can strike targets up 190 miles away carry 500lbs warhead
Ukraine only has the M31 with 200lbs
and 50 mile. The ATACMS would allow Ukraine to strike Russian targets at 3.5 times further
The Ukrainian air force MiG-29 and Su-27 are basically useless
Ukraine with F-16C/D Block 50/52 with CART and KC-130s would change that
unlike the MiG-29and Su-27
The F-16 can fully use the AGM-88 in all modes
additional the F-16 can carry JDAMs, MAVERICK, PAVEWAYS and most importantly Harpoons
As the F-16 has the MIL-STD data bus
it can be equipped with European made KEPD-30 and Storm Shadows
The CART allows the F-16 to use drogue for aerial refueling
Aerial refueling would allow F-16 to strike the Black Sea Fleet any where in the Black Sea
KEPD-30 and Storm Shadows would allow Ukraine level Novorossiysk and Sevastopol.effectively putting out of commission completely
Both missiles 300 mile range allows them to attack without getting in range of S-400 or R-37s
If the West lifted all restriction
this would not end at the table
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Simple
they dont need the F-16 to go blow for with Su-35s
Lets spell it out for you
Ukraine has been striking air defense ,air fields as well assets in the air to reduce Russia's ability to interdict Ukrainian aircraft
With A-50s flying, S-300 and S-400 fully operationally, F-16s would have been vulnerable
Russia has grounded its A-50s and S-300/400s are getting attacked daily
Without that coverage, its up to Su-35s and their radar which is extremely limited coverage
Ukraine needs the F-16s ability to use fully use the AGM-88s in all modes. One it allows them to better attack Panstir ,Tunguska and Tor SHORAD and two most importantly it allows them better attack Russian EWS sites
The F-16 can drop 500bs, 1000bs and 2000lbs laser guided bombs which are immune to EW jamming. More the point, it can use number of weapons immune to EW jamming but importantly, the F-16 can use US, EU, UK, French and Israeli weapons
Lastly, the F-16 can use Harpoon ASM to hunt the remaining Black Sea ships at sea
There is literally zero need for dogfighting
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@doc0core
The Type-003 literally is relying on a mountain of IFs while the QE and PoW are actually factual
The QE honesty has more potential than you realize
AWACS, EW, Tanker, ASW, COD and HELO capabilities, UK can get it all from the US very quickly
The MV-22 can provide Tanker, and COD for QE class
The versatile MQ-9 has an ASW, AWACS and EW packages in develop for use with the STOL version to give USN LHA/Ds the same capabilties as CVNs
It still retains the 8 pack hellfire capability for dealing with small crafts
The UK can literally dip into the US arsenal for anything it needs while China is spending years trying to catch up
As for Bear claw, the mighty Russian bear has been made a joke by Ukraine
FYI, lay off the propaganda,
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@Ruby Lively
The DOJ has him dead to rights and he knows it
When Biden won, instead of committing to the transition of power, Trump spent trying to overturn the election. Since he wasted that time,plus his statements that he wasnt going any where, he can't claim that the documents being there was accident during his transition out of office. its clearly shown that he wasted that time
Secondly when the president leaves office, all documents are supposed to go NARA, once again instead of complying with the
NARA, Trump decided that he would give what he wanted ,not what the law required. By doing what he wanted and not what the law required
He opened the door for the DOJ.
He claimed that NARA was "quote" satisfied with him turning over documents? which they fired back very quickly by stating at no point they did any ever say that
His whole defense relies unsubstantiated claims
He knows full if this goes to trial, the courts want facts not fiction. He was no facts , just a lot fiction that the court won't give them the time of day
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Ultimately in order to drive Russia out of Ukraine, Ukraine need 3 pieces
The first is knocking out the remaining surface combatants and 4 Kilo class subs of the Black Sea fleet
Why that matters, without those ships, Russia's ability to strike from the sea neutralized, Russia's ability to blockade Ukraine also done
Russian forces resupplying from ships , again gone. Taking out the Black Sea assets would be massive blow to Russian operations in Ukraine
For this they need long range precision strike capability. While the HIMARS missiles have 200lbs warhead,, the Harpoon 487lbs does more destruction per missile
Why the Harpoon
The newer blocks of the Harpoon have both land and sea attack capability and range between 75 to 150 miles. Besides have 3 times the range of the HIMARS M31s but slightly shorter than the ATACMS, the key advantage to Harpoon is that launchers on trucks are quad packed. With ATACMS its 1 on HIMARS and 2 on the M270
The Harpoon coastal units carry 4 missiles. , So with the Harpoon , you more missiles per launcher
The Harpoon's ability to attack both land and sea targets give Ukraine the ability to neutralize the black sea fleet as well strike other high value targets on land
As the Harpoon's warhead is like dropping GBU-12
The next piece is integrated air defence system (IADS)
With IADS, It puts the already strained Russian aviation assets in difficult position as well provides protection against cruise missile attacks
The last piece is their aviation assets
Missiles are good but aircraft are better
The only plane for this job is the F-16 and its amazing simple
The F-16 has the CART CFT which allows to use drogue instead of boom which means that Ukrainian air force cause Su-27s as tankers
The Ukrainian air force only need 5 weapons, AIM-9Rs and AIM-120C-5 which are both late 90s tech so even if they ended up in Russian hands
they are still decades out dated, AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/16 and AGM-84 again , the US has plenty of older models from the late 90s that wouldnt betray anything to Russia if they got their hands on it. Same goes for the 20mm gun. The F-16 is also LANTRIN capable which is still in use and again old tech
If Ukraine gets all of these
its game over for Russian forces
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@maksimluzin1121
What about the multi-layered different range air defense and fighters/interceptors of your opponent? They will watch silently to your actions and wait?
No you are differently a moron
First Armor is mobile , advance air defense units is not. The Panstir S1, Tunguska and Tor can travel with the armor and fire in a matter of seconds whereas
The S-30 and S-400 requires minutes to stop , set up, and be ready to fire. Same with the Buk, has to to stop , set up, and be ready to fire.
While those units are moving or setting,they are vulnerable to attack, Secondly F-15E, Eurofighter and F-35s can attack those sites with cruise missiles launched well outside to their weapons range.
Now pay attention ,and you are game down, you dont' put fighters/interceptors up in the same airspace as your air defense units
Thats friendly fire and no the missiles cant tell the difference , so if you put up fighters/interceptors in the same airspace, your ground can't fire stupid as they risking hitting allies
Now pay attention
By sending ATGM teams after the enemy air defense equipment, you create opens that can be exploited, while enemy is scrambling to close the hole , aircraft are giving enemy armor the business, its called tactics and planning moron
And the Tunguska and Shike being used against ground forces matters because? More to point how they are going be used if they are destroyed
S-300/S-350/400/Buk meet anti-radition and cruise missiles as well ATGMs teams
Its called modern warfare for reason
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@Frenchfrys17
That would be false
The best 155mm system reaches 43 miles. Loitering munitions launched from the back of JLTV depending on model can reach over 100 miles
Other types of surface to surface also massively out range artillery
More importantly, it can strike precision against fixed or moving targets
Artillery is a lot of things but far being the god of war. Once aircraft got precision weapons, arty become moot
The JTLV doesnt need heavy armor, it has light weight and flexibility which is military are prefering over heavy armor
They were seeing armor kills using lightweight mounted fires from the joint light tactical vehicle at ranges of 15 times to 20 times the distance a tank was previously achieving.
“We can kill armor formations at longer ranges using additional and other resources without incurring a 74-ton challenge trying to get that to a shore, or to get it from the United States into the fight,” Smith said. “You simply can’t be there in time
They cost a lot in acquisition, maintenance, fuel and logistics when compared with other platforms.
Speaking at the International Armoured Vehicles Conference on Feb. 10, Lt. Gen. Eric Smith, deputy commandant for Combat Development and Integration, argued that early experiments already are proving a smaller, more effective force for anti-armor than bringing tanks to the fight
There is a another quote from a Marine General that stated that Ukraine validates the USMC decision to divest its tank force
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@Frenchfrys17
And it would be 1000 words of nonsense
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Army
"The Army will now focus on upgraded lethality efforts, according to the statement, such as the Medium Caliber Weapons System, the Common Remotely Operated Weapons Station-Javelin, Anti-Tank Guided Missile updates and the 30mm cannon because they can “provide better distributed capability"
The USMC
The experimentation that we’ve done now to date successfully using lightweight mounted fires – think the back of a Joint Light Tactical Vehicle – is killing armor at ranges, through calculation, about 15, 20 times the range that a main battle tank can kill another main battle tank,
He added the Marine Corps didn’t get rid of its tanks because they weren’t good at taking out adversary tanks, but rather “we can kill armor formations at longer ranges using additional and other resources without incurring a 74-ton challenge trying to get that to a shore, or to get it from the United States into the fight. You simply can’t be there in time.”
Both the USMC and Army are doing exactly what I stated,
The USMC completely divested it tanks in favor JTLV variants while the Army is focused on both its Stryker and JTLV
None of your comments does not change the factor both USMC and Army are moving away from heavy armor
As for tanks, When Tank Plinking was coined 1991 where US aircraft were dropping 500lbs laser guided bombs on Iraqi tanks which decimated upwards of 80 percent of Iraqi Armor. The writing was on the wall for tanks
Russian forces using armor is they have no options left. While the US spent a fortunate on the SNIPER/LITENING/ATFLIR targeting pods as well upgrades for JDAMs, PAVEWAYs and the Small Diameter Bombs as well E-8 JSTARS and MQ-1/9s for its Air Power and Battle management
Russia made no such investment with its air force hence why they have been basically useless. If the Russia had same capabilties as the USAF
things would be very different but as with everything with Russia in Ukraine, their shortcomings have been painfully apparent
Their KA-52s and Mi-28 are getting smoked because they lack precision missiles. Most of videos you are of them running and gunning on targets
very few videos show them strike precisely
The US upgraded the Hellfire in all purpose weapon and the videos of Apaches in combat, you see they are not shy about dropping hellfires on targets
Apaches and MQ-1/9s will smoke anything with hellfire literally
The Turkish TB-2 has exposed a massive chink in Russia's EW. The MQ-1 and 9 use SATCOM while the TB2 uses mainly
line-of-sight propagation, Russia's EW was designed to target the SATCOM signals not LSP
The Ukrainian air force can come off the bench if they get the right weapons and go after the Russia remaining assets in the Black Sea
Battleship became obsolete because of poor thinking
What the USN should have done is remove the obsolete Mk7 guns and made room for missiles and lighter guns
Remove the rear turret and replace it with twin-arm Mk-26 system from Ticonderoga class
The MK-26 on the cruisers was 44 missiles, they could have easily gotten double that number
Add a hanger large enough for 2 SH-60s
Remove 2 turret and fit a second Mk-26, the longer size of Batteship can accomdate larger missiles like the Harpoon
Lastly remove the first turret and replace it VLS
The BB has potential but it was wasted
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@Frenchfrys17
No , you actually didn't read the article per your pointless response. The articles clearly show the current direction of militaries and heavy armor is not in the cards
As for self propelled howitzers, they are evolving into lighter more flexible systems
The Swedish Archer Artillery System weighs just 30 tons. The French CAESAR just 20. Even the newer M1299 is just 40 tons
Self propelled howitzers are considerably lighter than tanks and unlike tanks, the size of 155mm makes development of longer range and more advanced much simpler
No I am bringing up modern warfare
Why waste time trying to bring armor to bear when achieving air superiority allows for total control
Once you control the air, the everything on the ground becomes moot
Wow you knuckle draggers you are stupid
When dealing with an enemy with, integrated air defence system (IADS) , The first aircraft in F-18s launching ADM-160s aerial decoys with F-35s in stealth with AGM-88Gs.with EA-18Gs at ready to start jamming. Once the decoys reach the designated point, the EA-18Gs starts jamming allowing the F-35s to easily close to 100 miles and fire off AGM-88Gs , Thats just 4 missiles for command truck, radar, missiles and Panstir
The Panstir when linked the S-400 radar benefits from its advanced nature but it if its jammed, the Panstir is screwed as its own radar is not powerful enough to resist jamming. This is the current plan based on the US military existing capabilties
Now the future NGJ pods as well HALO, HAWC and ARRW weapons change this picture from the current 20 minute exercise to just 1 minute 30 secs depending on weapon used
An ARRW launched from an F-15E covers 350 miles in 1 min 23 secs , an EA-18G can easily suppress any radar for 1 min 23 secs
The ARRW payload is not knew but with 1000lbs warhead, it would easy cripple an S-400 site
As far as 4th gen fighters attacking S-400, they have air launched cruise missiles which allow to attack well outside S-400 range
Apache flying nap of the earth can and have in past penetrated IADS
its called tactics for reason
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@ZOV24-2-22
How about no
FPV drones are working in Ukraine because both sides are ill equipped to deal with tme
There are a few solutions to the FPV issue however one that is gaining traction is upgrading active protection system (APS) with additional launchers with programmable airburst round either low velocity HEDP 40mm rounds or high velocity 30mm AHEAD rounds so adding the new features to the existing assets allow them to test options for counter drones
Second, the US wouldnt have Ukraine problems in a conflict
Russian forces are caught unaware 90 percent of the time
US forces have Joint Battle Command-Platform (PM JBC-P) which is carried by all forces and can be equipped even to HMWVVs
For battle management and airborne ground surveillance . the USAF used the E-8 JSTARS giving forces on ground real time info on enemy movement
Even though the USAF retired it, the US Army has been allowed to buy a replacement for it
While Russia doesnt take SEAD/DEAD seriously
The US has EA-18G, F-16CJ, EC-130H ,Rivet Joint and Combat Sent as well as E/A-37 in RD and the bulk of US aircraft can use the AGM-88., ADM-141 and ADM-160s
The US has a whole arsenal devoted to destruction of enemy defenses and also thanks to Iraq and Afghn, Electronic warfare sensors are far more precise
Lastly, the US wrote the book on drone warfare with the MQ-1 and MQ-9
As the US takes SEAD/DEAD seriously, Ukraine wouldnt have SAMs to target aircraft and the US would have its airborne ground surveillance , AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft opening with impunity
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@Fng_1975
Fall from Glory: The Men Who Sank the U.S. Navy,
Well that explains the source of your misinformation
Lets gets the simple one out of the way
First what is the author's credentials , he has none. Did he ever serve a day in military, no one,
He's nothing more than investigative journalist making false assumptions.
Randy Duke Cunningham who advocated for the Sup Bug over the Sup 21 Tomcat. Btw, he went to jail for receiving bribes from defense contractors.
Vietnam War ace and Congressman Duke Cunningham criticized the Super Hornet as an unproven design that compromised air superiority.
So why did the Duke change his mind
Not because he was bribed
Retired U.S. Navy pilot and Vietnam Ace, U.S. Rep. Randall "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.), took the throttle of the U.S. Navy's new F/A-18E/F Super Hornet on Saturday, Feb.7, flying the strike fighter for 1.3 hours.
On the ramp immediately following the flight, Rep. Cunningham said, "I loved it! It's a great airplane!"
He went to jail for receiving bribes from defense contractors which has nothing to with Boeing as if you actually read allegations not reading someone made up story
He criticized the F-18E/F so Boeing allowed him to actually fly it. So once he got behind the controls and actually handled it, his perception changed as he actually handled the aircraft and found to be better than expected
no one has come out against the book or it’s author since it was published in the late 90s and has been praised for its blunt honesty."
You confusing the fact no one gave a shit about his book. The book was released Feb 26 1997,the F-18E/F entered low-rate production began in March 1997 with full production beginning in September 1997.
So despite the book release and alleged acclaim for its ts blunt honesty, the plans for the F-18E/F went forward as no one gave a shit about it
Quote
"Grumman proposed substantial improvements to the F-14 beyond Quick Strike, but Congress rejected them as too costly and reaffirmed its commitment to the less expensive F/A-18E/F"
The Secretary of Defense can make requests but its still up to Congress to decide. Cheney tried to defund the MV-22 ,however was overruled by Congress both times
So solely saying that Cheney did it even close to reality.
Next, here’s your DOD budget 101 class. Navy requests money and when they receive -WRONG
instead of making asinine assumptions
try actually reading it , you might actually something
Department of the Navy Fiscal Year 2023 Budget Materials
Provides for a deployable battle force of 285 ships in FY 2023.
Procures 9 battle force ships in FY 2023 (2 SSN 774, 2 DDG 51, 1 FFG, 1 LHA-6, 1 LPD-17, 1 T-AO 205, and 1 T-ATS-6) and 51 over the FYDP. Funds 4 other construction efforts (2 LCAC SLEPS and 2 ship-to-shore connectors).
Aircraft procurement funds 96 fixed-wing, rotary-wing, and unmanned aircraft in FY 2023 (13 F-35C, 15 F-35B, 5 E-2D, 10 METS, 5 KC-130J, 10 CH-53K, 26 TH-73A, 3 MQ-4C, 4 MQ-25, 5 MQ-9A) and 420 over the FYDP.
As I stated before, its completely different pots
The USN didnt' choose wrong
What conflict has the USN been in where the F-14 capabilities were needed , not one
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@daddyandy9591
So in other words, you have no idea what you are talking
Why would a Su-35 chase someone if all air-to-air missiles operate according to the “fire and forget” scheme?
SMH , you russianbot are so clueless
The R-37 is designed to go after large targets like, AWACS, Tankers and transports
As I told you before, the R-37 at max range needs 3 mins to reach its target
an F-16 tops off at 1350 mph while AWACS, Tankers and transports at most do 530 mph
In 3 min, at most, the AWACS, Tankers and transports change position by 27 miles at most
The R-37 terminal seeker range where the missile becomes fire and forget is estimated at 30 miles so against large targets, the missile is fire and forget
but against smaller faster targets that have better maneuverability , the Su-35 has to maintain control
thats why BVR missiles are equipped with mid-course updat/uplink/datalink
So that launching aircraft can update the missile with real time target info or simply control it all the way to targer
and the Su-35 has down what so far
7 lost and counting
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@daddyandy9591
And you copying and pasting specs matters because ??
The Su-35 does not carry four R-37
The Su-35 is not impossible to distinguish from the Su-27
First the Su-35 , Su-34 and Su-30s all use the same wing rail system as all 3 are designed to accommodate the Khibiny ECM system
Second the Su-35 has no nose antenna while the Su-27 including SM3 still has antenna pointing out in the next
Third, the Su-35 uses the OLS-35 IRST which has distinctive fish eye appearance , the Su-27 has a smaller flatter appearance
Lastly and most importantly, the Su-35 has an aerial probe for inflight refueling
the Su-27 does not
opinion of many American military personnel, Russian electronic warfare is better-FALSE LMAO
if the US had to deal with Russian EW
They would have RC-135 Combat Sent and Rivet Joint locate the sites , with E/A-37 and EC-130 counter jamming
EA-18G as well F-16CJ would be engaging Russia EW with AGM-88G. Remember Ukraine can only use AGM-88 in limited fashion , the EA-18G can engage targets as far 160 miles with AGM-88G model. Thats beyond the range virtually all Russian defenses except the S-400 and even then ,the US plan for the S-400 is combined of EA-18G , F-18E and F-35A
Ukraine doesnt have the tools to deal with Russian EW whereas US has endless options to do so
Remember while the Ukrainan air force may shy away from trading blows with Russian air force, the USAF is all for it
Lastly , NATO needs no analog of the S-400
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@井蛙坐井观天
Here are actual facts
U.S. Navy has support worldwide whether onshore or at sea, and interoperability benefits with other U.S. and allied naval ships
One example of this is the LM-2500 series which 80 percent of USN ships and also in use with several allies
The use of a common engine greatly reduces operational cost. Very few USN ships dont use LM-2500s and upgrading the rest is only a matter of time
The Chinese navy is miss mash of tech, only the Type-52D and 055 have a degree of commonality
The SM-3, SM-6, ESSM, and newer SM-2 Active have lock on after launch capability as their seekers have active radar homing They can be fired without the launch ship designating the target
The Chinese HQ-9 is semi-active radar homing (SARH) and can't function unless the launch ship designating is the target
Additional the ESSM can be quad-packed 4 missiles in 1 VLS which gives the CGs and DDG substantially more missiles than PLAN ship
PLAN lack both quad pack missile and lock on after launch
Additional as part of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) , the SM-3, SM-6, ESSM, and newer SM-2 Activce an be handled off to other assets
Again, capability that PLAN does not have
The PLAN has built ships but their capabilites are no where near the USN level
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Ukraine is simply exposing how badly Russian forces conventional capabilities are lacking
if the US was in Ukraine, it would have been over a long time ago
What Ukraine has show is that Russian lacks Persistent Air Support (PAS) , SEAD, and intel
For SEAD, the US has EA-18Gs, F-16CJ, and EC-130s for dealing with air defense
So far ,Russia has been able to neutralize Ukraine's Soviet Era SAMs but not the newer Western systems
The US would be actively hunting and destroying SAMSs
With SAMS out of the picture, PAS with MQ-9s would actively hunting MLRS and artillery
unlike loitering munitions, the MQ-9s carries Hellfires ,and JDAMs which will 100 percent destroy would they hit
If Russia made drones like the MQ-9, HIMARS launchers and other SPAs would have been destroyed long ago
Lastly Russian intel
Ukraine's president has been traveling back and forth with ease
The US would have been had F-22s or MQ- waiting
Others areas that Russia is lacking is aircraft capabilities
All US aircraft have targeting pods for precision strike
Russian aircraft dont have pods and that is why so many of their strike aircraft have been lost
they are getting within MANPAD range and getting smoked
22 Su-34s lost
The F-15E across 7 conflicts is fraction of that
its possible for carriers to come under attack but impossible for that to be destroy as easily as others claim
Lockheed has developed 500kW DEW for the Army and the DDGX is planned to have 600kW
if the USN commits to SM-6s launched by F-18s, 500-600Kw laser weapons to DDG and CVNs, PAC-3s along SM-6s from VLS and Hyper Velocity Projectile (HVP) from Mk-45 guns and an working Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo (CAT) system with Anti-Torpedo Torpedo
Good luck with that
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@Chuck_Hooks
Aircraft require do require support but if Ukraine wants a realistic chance of pushing Russian forces out , they need aircraft
Ideally the JAS-39 but they dont exist in the numbers that Ukraine needs so the only choice is the F-16
To get the F-16 up to speed only takes 4 months. The pilots go to nearest country with F-16 sim and start training
Since they are already pilots, they simply need familiarization. 2 weeks in the sim. 2 weeks in the books
1 month of flying in the two seaters learning all the tech. 1 month solo flying and 1 more of practical application
The norm is 12 months but if you condense it the essentials , 4 months is doable
The maintenance personnel spend 4 months working along aside F-16 maintenance personnel in Poland
They can learn the day to day requirements and troubleshooting very easily
For more advance problems, western personnel can help and there would nothing Russia could say because they do the exact thing with their own aircraft that export
Have advisors on hand for problems
For weapons just keep it to the essentials. AIM-9 and AIM-120s for air to air. AGM-84 ASM and land attack. AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/24s for general purpose plus the gun
The F-16 is rated at over 30 types of weapons,however Ukraine only need 5. The GBU-10/12/24 hardware is the same
The F-16 has the CART which allows it use the drogue instead of boom for aerial refueling. The MIG-29s could be adapted in tankers for the F-16s
No one denying that bring a fighter into service will be process but Ukraine needs them more than HIMARS
Example, the Kherson bridge, The F-16 with GBUs or Mavericks would have knocked that bridge out in strike
Russian ships docked in port again, smoked with a single 2000bls GBU-10 targeted at the waterline
Russian airfields with KA-52, Mi-28 and MI-35s
Two F-16s with 6 Mavericks or 6 GBU-12s , completely knockout in one strike
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@Drew Peacock
The DF-26 wont be used against ships. First its range is 2500 miles which does give it reach but also gives the target 20 minutes. Thats ample time for SM-3s or SM-6s to make an intercept as well time for electronic warfare to jam the missile. The DF-26 like all missiles still requires course updates to stay on target. Ships are moving targets whereas targets like bases and port are fixed and require no additional support.
If used close to China, odds are ,they can counter the jamming as well jam the USN DDG and CGs radar but launching it at max range put its out of range of support and in range of USN defense. The DF series is only real threat at closer ranges. At 700 miles, time to target is just 5 min 30 secs. Its still lot time but less than what they would have at 2500 miles
Lastly in the pacific , the USN is going to be making heavy use of cruise missiles like TLAM, JASSM, JSOW-ER ,JSM and LRASM.
Ultimately China's nightmare will be the AGM-183A. The ARRW tops out at mach 20. From 2500 miles , its 11 minutes
at 1250, 5 min 44 secs
If the ARRW has the range, then the USN problems with the DF-series would be over.
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@Drew Peacock
Shooting at 2500 miles is more advantage for the USN than China. Even if it does travel faster, time is still on the USN side
At Mach 20, or 13,050 miles per hour , its still 12 minutes roughly. The DF-series is only a real threat at closer ranges like 700 miles on down
The SM-3 and SM-6 are both expensive 19 mil for the SM-3 and 5 for the SM-6 however CVNs are billions each. 6-9 bill for CVN-68 class and 10 plus for CVN-78s class
The planned buy for SM-6 is 1800 missiles at a cost of 6.5 billion and 300 plus for the SM-3. The USN plans to replace the existing SM2 with SM-6. The wrinkle is that USN has been successively upgrading the SM-6 which is making it more capable but also more expensive. Same with SM-3, its been successively to be more capable but has it made extremely expensive per shot.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sm-3/
With 10 carriers group with 20 missiles per, thats 200 SM-3 deployed hence why the USN is upgrading the SM-6 with SM-3 technology, its not as expensive so they can afford to fire more.
There are other options but the SM-3 and SM-6 are the only ones with highest chance one shot one kill
The USN has no ship for its railgun yet. The HVP rounds from the 5 inch guns are promising but still years away from being practical
In order to kill a missile like the DF-21/26, you need a 300 kW plus per shot. The DDG-1000 has the power but the cost of modding it would be expensive
DDG-51 dont have the power unless you remove one its VLS and replace it would generator/capacitor
The only choice is the LPD-17s but no one made 300 kW weapon yet, everything is below 100 kW
BeiDou-1' will only get the missile to the target area, its own seeker has to find the target. The seeker will face heavy jamming
They can operate at max range but that makes it easier for the USN to target and destroy. Max range gives the target a lot of time to pay with
TLAM: Range 1,300km to 1,700km depending on the variant.
- JASSM: Range 370 km.
- JSOW-ER: Range 22km to 130km depending on the altitude it's released from.
- JSM: Estimates range from 280km to 560km.
- LRASM: Estimates range from 370km to 560km.
Wrong info
The JASSM A range is 370 where JASSM-B range is over 1000 km
JSOW-ER range is 560 km, 22-130 is baseline JSOW
Secondly sub launch is low threat for the sub. First it wont launch if ships are nearby second, once its launch how exactly will China counter attack a sub?
unless they get lucky and have sub nearby , ? Even with nearby sub, the bulk of the PLAN subs are diesel , they dont have fuel to chase down a US SSN
Also launching is easy way to draw enemy ships and subs into a trap
Even anti sub marine aircraft would still need to close enough. Once the sub fires, its going deep and heading home
China or Russia can't possibly be attacked until the threat from their IADSes and anti-ship missiles has been neutralised and we don't currently have any way of achieving that.
Again wrong
Russia is bordered by how many countries. Remember the cold fear was thousands of russian tanks invading the EU. The US can easily go through the EU on ground and knock Russia defenses and missile via special forces or aircraft. China has the same problem well protected like Russia in pacific but there is a backdoor in Arabian sea Bengal bay. Dont assume that US is going to attack from only one direction. Yes battle plans for a major shit storm in pacific but there are other ways into Russia and China
Thirdly the proposed launch aircraft are the B-1B, B-52 and F-15, all of which are unstealthy.They could all be shot down by J-20s and other ground-based aircraft, carrier-based aircraft or ship-based anti-air missiles.
False
The PLAN/PLAAF lack the tankers to extend the J-20 range far enough to intercept. Using 1000 miles as base line, the J-20 would have be orbiting at 1200 plus miles
Also again assuming that they wont overlfy India or Pakistan, Afghan, Taji , Kry Banagladesh , Myanmar.
Nepal is just 400 miles from the Bay of Bengal so they can launch from there too
B-1s and B-52 can launch without threat
The S-400 rated up to Mach 15 , the ARRW is Mach 20
Why are missiles being built that for the most part clearly aren't fit for purpose and don't have sufficient range?
its not about the missile, its how you use it
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@Drew Peacock
"You didn't address my comments above about UNREP and the DF-26"
That would be a waste of time as using DF-26 ships is waste of time
A destroyer or cruiser at max speed can change its position by 11 miles , CVN at max speed by over 17 miles. Even ship at 20 knots would be able to change its position by 8 miles.
The DF-26s at max range cant target ships accurately
The DF-series is only target at closer range. thats the point
Assuming those figures are correct, there are currently 68 active Arleigh Burkes and 22 active Ticonderogas in the USN. That's 90 ships in total.
300 SM-3s works out at 3 per ship. As I said, they're so expensive I didn't think ships would carry many and this figure confirms it.
No, wrong metric. There 10 carrier battle groups with 4 to 5 CG/DD per group. One ship with 20 SM-3 works out to 200 missiles with 20 missiles per battle group
its simpler to equip per battle group than per ship. They are planning to have enough SM-6s per ship but the SM-3 cost limits it to per battle group
here are other options but the SM-3 and SM-6 are the only ones with highest chance one shot one kill
What are the other options? DEWS weapons
One shot one kill is very optimistic when it comes to shooting down extremely fast ballistic anti-ship missiles. Missiles can always miss.
You didn't respond to my suggestions re other ways to take out DF-21s and DF-26s.
The problem with those methods is that they are terminal phase weapons whereas the SM-3 can intercept boost ,mid course and terminal, phase the SM-6 is mid course and terminal phase
How so? They've already been tested
Firing 20 rounds is not operational clearance. All that does is show that the gun can handle HVP ammo
They havent done a complex firing like they do with SM-3 and SM-6 against maneuvering targets
They can operate at max range
Well you're contradicting yourself now. You originally claimed DF-21 and DF-26 couldn't operate at maximum range
SMH
with 20 minutes to spare
A destroyer or cruiser at max speed can change its position by 11 miles , CVN at max speed by over 17 miles. Even ship at 20 knots would be able to change its position by 8 miles.
the DF-26 range is 2500, just by moving 8 miles , you are out of its effective range. When you fire a weapon at targets at the edge of its range, odds are, the target will move out of range every time
Not in an environment where there are enemy subs, sub-hunting ships & helicopters, carrier aircraft in the air, maritime patrol aircraft, geostationary satellites, over-the-horizon radar, a seabed sonar network and surface and underwater drones.
unless they are close by, it all of that is worthless. Like I said, they wont launch if enemy ships are present and the PLAN does have not ships to cover the pacific
even with over watch, aircraft still have to reach the target area or by near by. You still have to get the weapon to target
you are assuming best case that they get lucky but USN is not just launch a TLAM with an enemy with 100 miles of it
a seabed sonar network may be able to track it but once its goes it deep and slows to 5 knots, its a ghost
Heading home? Why would a sub head home after firing a TLAM?
Why would I stick around after letting the enemy know I am here. I would head home for safety
as you stated
its environment where there are enemy subs, sub-hunting ships & helicopters, carrier aircraft in the air, maritime patrol aircraft, geostationary satellites, over-the-horizon radar, a seabed sonar network and surface and underwater drones.
Shoot and scoot tactics
"The US can easily go through the EU on ground and knock Russia defenses and missile via special forces or aircraft.
Which aircraft exactly? Using which ordnance exactly?
As for special forces, how are they going to get into Russia in the first place?
China has the same problem well protected like Russia in pacific but there is a backdoor in Arabian sea Bengal bay.
Arabian Sea? Bay of Bengal? How are they backdoors to China?"
You are moron point blank,
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@Qwiv
Its combat, lives will always be at stake regardless. The scope is having options not only one option. The counter UAS , there are several systems in development
First the Epirus' Leonidas high-power microwave (HPM) array mounted on which is designed counter drone swarming weapons. The system is currently mounted on IFVs
Second USMC Ground-Based Air Defense which is 3 parts
Marine Air Defense Integrated System (MADIS) is JTKV with 30mm cannon and 4 tube Stinger, MK-2 is
L-Marine Air Defense Integrated System (MADIS) which radar/jammer on MRZR
Lastly, the Medium-Range Intercept Capability (MRIC) which basically a mobile variant of the Israeli Iron dome
And thats just the US
There is massive push for counter-UAS weapons
So yes, that is over reliance
Secondly there are no other options
The Amy dumped OH-58s in favor drones however in a contest airspace , drones would have problems operating effectively and the Apaches dont have the sensor payloads for recon
Drones in Ukraine is highlighting the limits of Russian SHORADs
They were designed to go after TLAM, F-16s , F-15s ,gunships and much larger UAVs
Ukraine has few aircraft ,few cruise missiles and even fewer gunships so Russian defenses are facing threats they were not designed to handle
The TB2 enjoyed success initially till Russian defenses got their act to together and that was that for it
Ukraine itself, is using Flakpanzer Gepard to great effect against drones and loitering muntions
Germany has developed the Skyrange 30 and 35 which are modernized Gepards but unlike the Gepard has both hard kill and soft for counter UAS
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@PuppyPinky
How about no
Russia's weapons against the US was GPS jammers and now thanks to Ukraine, they know exactly how it works and what it does
More to the point, there is ample time for the US to send variety options for Ukraine to test out for them
NASAMS, IRIS-T SLM and Patriot are network centric when means they transmit data in real time
Like the GPS jammers, the US and EU are also giving Ukraine different missiles for those systems to see how do in real world
The West has been getting real time data about Russian missile attacks, aircraft as well as capabilities of Russian EW
The KA-52 and Mi-28 attacks have shown that Stinger and Starstreak will be ineffective against Russian gunships which can attack as from as far 8 miles
Thus the US is dusting the SLAMRAAM (Surface Launched AMRAAM) and Complementary Low-Altitude Weapon System (CLAWS) which uses AIM-9Xs and AIM-120
What does Panstir S1, T-90,Krasukha and Khibiny have in common, all captured and in Western hands
Lastly ,you are forgetting the key thing about stockpiles
By giving Ukraine, stockpiles , the West gets rid of millions of tons of weapons that they would have had to spend a fortunate on demilitarization
Now they get to buy newer and more modern weapons. Thanks to Russia, those weapons have the lessons learned from Ukraine
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@hughmungus2760
Again
its called time to target
Even with bigger booster is not going to negate the distance the ASAT has to travel
12000 miles away at Mach 20 is still 45 min
Ample time for counter an ASAT
You do realize that China also rely on its sats for targeting the DFs again moving both communication and location
Once both sides go ASAT either other, its going get messy very quickly
Unlike China ,the US has options
The DF launchers are not going be "located deep inland, several hundred miles from the coast"
it called simple math, the further inland, the missile, the further out it has to travel
By placing located deep inland, several hundred miles from the coast , you are reducing its effective range
The USN is only going bring its carriers to a distance of 600 miles away. At that range, its aircraft only need one trip to tanker in and out
secondly it gives them nearly 5 minutes of reaction again DFs
Even without CVNs ,nearbly, Growlers can still be refuel in the air by F-18 with buddy store
The Growlers and Hornets fly as package, once they reach the edge of the combat space, they top off
The F-18 with buddy store depart to refuel while Growlers begin the operation
They are not looking for a different frequency, they are looking for source emission and location
They are looking to see where the signal is coming from
You have chinese military communications coming from the forest
then something might be there
You have chinese military communication coming from a warehouse
You take the location and compare with road ways
These locations have road ways that lead right to coast line to large open spaces with asphalt
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@nietkees6906
How kills does the S-400, at most 5 so far
The reason why Russian air defense is keeping the Ukrainian force out of the fight is lack of weapons
As far as precision guided stand off weapons, Ukraine has very little. The weapons they do have are unguided and require to get 1 to 3 miles of their targets which makes easy for AD
Lets look at what the F-16 can do
The GBU-12 can be launched from as far as 9 miles away and unlike the JDAM,. the GBU-12 is immune to jamming
The AGM-65 can be launch from over 12 miles away and like GBU-12 is immune to jamming
While the MIG-29 and Su-27 can use the AGM-88 at fraction of its capability, the F-16 can fully use the AGM-88 to max capability from 40 mile away
At 40 miles, systems like the Pansir S1, Tor, Buk, Tunguska and other Russian SHORADs are now useless as the F-16 can accurately target them at the range which MIG-29s and Su-27 currently cant do
With those out of the picture, the threat drops to S-300, S-400, as well Su-35 and MIG-31s with R-37s
This where combined arms come in and grounds forces can do Ukrainian air force a solid and target the S-300 and S-400 sites
Kinda of hard for S-300 and S-400 to go after F-16s when Ukrainian ground forces are dropping HIMARS and 155mms on them
And that leaves up the few Su-35 and MIG-31s to try which a needle in haystack
If Ukraine ground forces keep up the attacks against the S-300 and S-400, the F-16 will have free reign
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@indianasunsets5738
Again wrong ass
18 US Code so 1924 does not apply
Asses like you are hilarous because you
keep grasping straws
the law you so hilarously mentioned has a key word you failed to read
W
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location
The key here ass
is knowingly removes
once again clown you fail
Trump will be face prosecution as he was required by the presidential records act
Biden's doc are from him as VP
which falls on the National Archive not Biden
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Russia's Kalibr is more analogous to the US Harpoon, not the TLAM
The Harpoon has air, ship ,sub and land options just like Kablir
The TLAM doesnt have an air launched version but there are no differences between the sub and ship models
They are the same missile just with different boosters
Even the planned model for US Army, is the same missile as the USN but with different booster
The Kalibr is a whole system of various missiles and launch platforms and capabilities vary by missile
light and heavy warhead, longer range , heavier weight, the Kalbir is just a whole mesh of capabilities
The USN is upgrading its TLAM to Block V which just 3 missiles
V for general purpose, Va for moving targets and Vb for bunker busting
Even though its 3 new models, they are still the same dimensions and weight
If you look at the newer Kaliber models, heavier and longer
By keeping the same dimensions and weight, using the TLAM ships and subs remains the same but with Kalibr getting heavier and longer
it limits the ships and subs that can use it
The newer USN LRASM closer to the Kalbir as air, ship and land. No development on sub but again
The air, ship and land of LRASM are the same missile just with different booster or no booster with air
Russia is trying to mirror the US ability to make generally purpose weapon system but they can't get it right
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@Popeye_the_Haterman
The Abrams is typical supported by several other elements which scout ahead and perform reconnaissance both on the ground and in the air
The US army supports its troop on the ground with RQ-7, MQ-1C from the air. If RQ-7 or MQ-1C are not available, troops carry RQ-11 with them
The USMC uses ScanEagle and RQ-21 BlackJack for air and RQ-11 on the ground
The USAF supports both with MQ-9s
All these UAVs have highly advanced sensor payloads allowing them to easily spot threats
We are not seeing Russian forces use any UAVs in this manner. And as the saying goes, what you don't see will kill you and thats what's happening to Russian armor
They are not spotting the ambushes , they are getting rektted
Secondly the Abrams has Remote controlled weapon station (RWS) . plus the gunner and commander sights which allows it to look in multiple directions at once
Most of the Russian tanks lack RWS and they can only look where the gun is aimed.
Russia tanks are built around a carousel autoloader. Pro gives them sustained rates of fire, Con, the ammunition is in turret with crew
As seen many times, if the ammunition cooks off , its sayonara for tank and crew
The Abrams ammo is stored in the rear of the turret separate from the crew. The top of the ammunition storage has whats called blow out panels and the access in the turret is via armored door. r if ammunition storage is hit the door slams shut.
its called the path of least resistance which allows the explosive force of the ammunition to be directed up and away from the crew
Unlike Russian tanks, if there is ammunition explosion, as long as the crew is inside with the hatches closed and nothing interferes with the safety features
9 out of 10, they will survive. and Abrams would simply have the turret replaced
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@Popeye_the_Haterman
As I stated before, Russia's tactical blunder was leaving Western Ukraine open to the West.
Their plan was very straight forward and if it had worked, they would have had Ukraine under control in 2 to 3 months
The plan was capture Antonov Airport which was only 6 miles away from Kyiv and use it as base of operations
With Antonov Airport in their hands, the plan was landing 18 IL-76s of additional forces
As Kyiv was only 6 miles away , its was likely armor and artillery which would have allowed Russian forces to lay siege on Kyiv as well as established a buffer between the West and Ukraine which would prevented Ukraine from being supplied with additional weapon
Effectively , Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine would be surrounded by forces from Kharkiv, Kyiv, Odessa. Mariupol and, Luhansk with Russian forces cutting Western Ukraine off from the rest of the country. Basically if they had succeed, Eastern Ukraine would have been massive kill box for them
So blunder number one
why in the name of insanity would you launch an airborne assault like this in broad daylight
When you are trying to secure an objective like this , you do it under the cover of night
Blunder number two
where was forward arming and refuelling point (FARP) at?
Russian forces were forced to withdraw as they lacked air support
Again with an assault like this, you normally have a FARP set up nearby so your gunships can be quickly turned around and back into the fight
Blunder number why IL-76s ??
One of the things that US military spends on is aerial refueling capability for aircraft
Specifically, MC-130s transports as well MH-60 , MH-47, MV/CV-22 and CH-53 medium to heavy lift helicopters can be refueled in the air
The US would have sent MH-60 with troops to secure LZ nearby as well as strip for MC-130s to land or drop cargo while MH-47 and CH-53 heavy lift light armor and artillery
Have AH-64s fly in with just external fuel tanks to the FARP sit where they would exchange them for Hellfires and 70m hydra rockets
Coordinate with the USN launching of TLAMs against key targets at airport. Once the missile hit, the airborne forces move in
Again for reasons unknown, Russian force did no coordinate with missile strikes from fixed but instead attacked with gunships
The key difference is that US forces would be attacking after TLAMs had laid waste to key targets, not trying to attack them on fly like Russia did
Russia didn't pay the cost of upgrading its gunships weapons with better precision capabilities and are paying for dearly
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@monumentaltravel3745
The F-16 more than enough to do job
The notion that F-16 is not ideal is Russian propaganda
The Black Sea Fleet has enjoyed impunity because the Ukrainian air force has no way to attack
The F-16 with Harpoons can attack Russian shipping. Even with baseline Harpoons, the range is 120 miles and the defenses on the frigate max out at 31 miles
F-16 would be able lob Harpoon after Harpoon at Russia ships
In order to protect the Black Sea Fleet, the Russian air force would have to operate from bases in Crimea
While Ukraine few Su-24 to use Storm Shadow, the F-16 can be easily integrated with it which would strike against Crimea that much easier
GPS jammers affect JDAMs but PAVEWAYS and MAVERICKs are unaffected by jamming
More the point, they can be laser guided allow Ukraine forces for precision strikes against moving targets
The older LANTRIN can be supplied to Ukraine as the newer SNIPER XR and LITENING are what the US military used
Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-27 can only use AGM-88 at fraction of its capability while the F-16 can fully use it all modes
Lastly, while MIG-29 and Su-27 limited to old and outdated R-27, R-73 and R-77s as well have very limited supply
F-16 can use AIM-9P/R and AIM-7, AIM-120C-5 and those are in massive supply
Also fun fact, the F-16 can CBU-87s
The F-16 is very much the ideal for Ukraine
Russia's problem is that F-16 can also carry ADM-160s aerial decoys
One simple tactics is to launch ADMs while 2 F-16 approach at low level against A-50s ,Il-22 and Il-78s
Everyone is Russia would send MiG-31 and Su-35 after
kinda hard to do if Ukraine goes after the A-50 in air or land and knocks them out
Sure Ukraine could lose an F-16 or 2 in process but the lost of tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft would be massively worth it both tactically and strategically
As far the S-400 and other air defense, if the Ukrainian air force is taking load of ground forces , they would be free to go after S-400 sites
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The odds you are not going to see very much dog fighting in modern warfare
The development of hypersonic weapons has made dogfighting moot
You are not going to see F-35s versus F-16s
they will be fighting Russian Su-27/33/35,57 and MiGs as well Chinese Su-27/ Su-35s and J-series
Pound for pound, the F-35 has all advantages
The US has Su-27s and MIGs which are used for training
Thanks to Ukraine and Russian stupidity, The US also has sensitive tech from that Su-35 that pancaked into the field
Example
An EA-18 can jam the enemy radar while B-1s with ARRWs launch from 400 miles out
An ARRW at its designed speed can cover that distance in 1 min 35 sec
A B-1 can target defenses as well runways and taxi ways
With those damaged, the enemy has to wait for combat engineers to repair the damage so they can get their planes in the air
With defenses destroyed ,the enemy air force can be destroyed on the ground by F-35s up close or with coordinated strike with TLAMs or JASSMs
Combat engineers have to clear the rumble, fill the holes and cover it matting , by time they get a hole filled, the strike second would be on them
Even if they had assets in the air , The EA-18G and B-1 can leave before they get in range
With China
once their DFs are destroyed, the PLAN/PLAAF problems will increase
The USAF can launch ARRWs from stand off range against their DFs and the only way to stop them is send their fighters out to 1000 miles which is exactly what the USAF/USN want them to do
The PLAN/PLAAF aerial refueling capability is limited while the USAF/USN has ample tankers so it long range fight is advantageous for USAF/USN
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@victorzvyagintsev1325
It can't be done nor has it been done
There is no confusion about the Vikhr, you written anti-tank only emphasizes my point
The US has used its Hellfire missiles against personnel several times in Iraq and Afghanistan
The difference is that the Hellfire was upgraded from AGM-114A- Armored vehicles to AGM-114K, M, N, and P for various targets to AGM-114R Hellfire II-All targets
As you stated , its just HEAT charge for armor penetration not multi purpose like the Hellfire
and goes back to my point, they have no choice as the Vikhr is basically useless in every way possible
Secondly again you emphasizes my point
"what happens when the helo finds infantry instead of tanks? It uses the "rocket toss method" with rockets designed specifically to kill infantry insted of trying to pick off individuals with expensive anti-tank missiles"
While the US had no problem using hellfires, its was still an expensive solution at 100K per missile So what did the US do
The US made Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) upgrades the 70mm into precision laser guided munition costing only 22K per missile considerably less than the Hellfire
Lets price this attack
Those are S-8 rockets from Ka-52. Their version of the US 70mm hydra. Assuming they cost the same and they would likely have a full load
thats 40 missiles costing $120,000 that they just sprayed
The US does the same job with 1 Hellfire or 5 APKWS munitions and it being laser guided means better than 90 percent chance of hitting the target
but most importantly, the key design feature of the APKWS is that it used all existing 70mm payloads
HEDP, HEAT and APERS (anti-personnel) warhead
In Russia's case ,they have only waste dozens of missiles in spray and pray tactics
Its funny you say that as another key claim about the KA-52 is that its
Semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy, giving the 30 mm a longer practical range and better hit ratio at medium ranges than with a free-turning turret mount.
Yet another again ???
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@KrisHandsome
Its both
First
As the Mi-8/Mi-17 can not aerial refuel, its range and payload are extremely limited, it has stop and refuel numerous times depending on distance and payload.
The Mi-8/17 was absolutely the worst helicopter for that attack
, what does aerial refueling have to do with a battle at an airport relatively close to where the helicopters likely took off from? What does the Mi-26 have to do with anything and what do you think those would’ve done to influence the battle had they also been deployed?
Hmm
Lets see
The Mi-26 has been shown able to carry 2 Gaz Tigr
5 Mi-26 could brought 10 Gaz Tigr which could haven 4 armed with PKPs, 2 with Kords , 2 with AGS-17 and 2 with Kornet EM
2 waves of Mi-26 could brought Tigr with varying weapons while 5 more could land 500 plus troops
Instead of idiotically trying to to secure the airport for Il-76s, All they had to do is utilize Mi-26s
As stated before, Russian helicopters can't aerial refuel and the Mi-26 limited range made it a no go which meant they had to rely on inferior payload of the Mi-17
Which can't even externally carry a Tigr
Since Russian forces couldnt bring any armor, it allowed Ukrainian forces to drive them out
Aerial refueling as its has become more and more common among western helicopters
at first ,it was just special mission variants, however regular units are getting it to
The US Army isnt upgrading the UH-60Ms to MH-60M specs are they replacing it with the V-280
Every thing you pointed out why is the US Army is replacing the UH-60 as it reached its obsolescence
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@KrisHandsome
Again wrong
Besides the UH-60
The EU made AW101 and EC725 can also aerial refuel
The only western except is the NH-90 which is being phased
Hostomel is only a short distance from the border with Belarus where it was attacked from,
Yet despite it being short distance you claimed, they still lost
if the distance was short as you claimed, Russian forces should have been able to bring overwhelm forces to secure
instead, they are driven out.
This also is irrelevant as the airport was taken in under 48 hours
Was Russian forces able to land Il-76s while they had the airport under the control
Nope, because they didn't hold it, Ukrainian forces were able to render it unusable.
Mi-26 certainly can’t carry a T-72B3.
Only an idiot like yourself would make that silly comparsion
The Tigr isn’t well armored enough for the sort of defensive operation you seem to be implying,
And once you again proving you are literally just an ass
Its not about armor moron, its weapons
The US Army Ranger Ranger Special Operations Vehicle and USN Seal Light Strike Vehicle dont have armor
what they bring is firepower, as they can carry heavy machine guns, ATGMs and other heavy weapons, far easier and vastly more efficiently than boots on the ground
The V-280 hasnt entered production , however as I stated, the UH-60 has reached its limit
Aerial refueling is exactly why the Army selected it
The USAF and USMC have operated the /CM/ MV-22 for over 16 years and demonstrated the superior qualities of tilt rotor
Specially ,it allows the USAF and USMC to travel considerably distance on a moment notice without the need to for transports like C-5 or C-17s
The UH-60 may be relevant for some countries who lack capabilities, however the US Army is moving on
50 miles at most from an assembly area in Belarus to Hostomel.
and yet MI-26 again
fail
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@KrisHandsome
The US lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan without the whole of America’s government and military leadership being neutralized. FALSE
Trying to hilariously rewrite history
Pathetic
When US attacked in 91, unlike Vietnam which you clowns can't let go
The military was allow to contact unrestricted and unobstructed warfare and neutralized Iraqi leadership as well as command and control which prevented the Iraqi military from mounting effective counter attacks resulting in the Iraq losing 9 out of 10 engagements
Secondly The US withdrew from Afghanistan , they did not lose. The whole point of Afghanistan was Bid laden and al-Qaeda
Once he was dead, staying became moot but continue your pathetic attempts rewrite history its hilarious
How is Ukraine getting supplies from West , oh wait thats right, because their command and control is still intact
Their president is able to make contact the West unobstructed
Mi-17 can have all those features,
No it can't
Russia's is infamous for selling monkey models of their equipment
Case in point, they proved Iraqi with monkey models of their equipment and Iraqi forces were slaughtered as result
Secondly Russia against is legendary for claiming that those features are exotic and expensive
yet in Ukraine, the KA-52, Su-30 and Su-34 which represent their latest tech is getting the shit kicked out of it
Technically if you count their modernized Su-25, all have double digit losses
Why
because by failing to neutralize Ukraine entire command structure.
They have been able to get their hands on more and more advanced weapons
And its only getting worse
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if WW3 started ,Russia would lose miserably
First Russia weapons against the West was its Electronic warfare capability
Specifically, jamming GPS and communication
Both have been exposed in Ukraine and some systems have been even being captured and sent back to the West
The West now knows exactly how Russian GPS jamming works and has has Lockheed, Raytheon and GD working on counter-measures
Secondly the KA-52 and Mi-28 attacks has shown that US military using the Stryker SHORAD with Stinger missiles will be ineffective as both are attacking Ukrainian forces from with outside the range of the Stingers. So now the US military is looking to acquire the NASAMS High Mobility Launcher (HML) which is based on the Complementary Low-Altitude Weapon System (CLAWS) and SLAMRAAM (Surface Launched AMRAAM) concepts which uses AIM-9X and AIM-120C-5s for SHORAD
The updated HML with AIM-9X and AIM-120C-5 can reach out to 30 plus miles which is beyond the range of any weapon use by KA-52 or Mi-28
Lastly, how many R-37, R-27, R-73 and R-77s have been recovered from downed aircraft and sent back to West
Radars, EW and other tech from downed Russian aircraft
18 months in Ukraine has cost Russia more than you know
The Patriot, NASAMS and IRIS-T are network centric
they transmit data in real time so every Russian attack with drones, missiles and aircraft
All that data has been going back to the West in real time
The more Russia stays, the more and more it has to dive into its capabilities and the more the West learns
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@avengerpz
How about no
Poland, Estonia, and Romania countries who like the US who will aide by the treaty in principle but have no signed it so getting the munitions to Ukraine wont be problem
Biden said it plain and simple quiting "they’re running out of that ammunition
Again wrong
Ukraine does not have an capable air force or naval assets
No Frigates, Cruisers or Destroyers or even subs able to launch cruise missiles from hundreds of miles away.
The few aircraft they do have are old and obsolete plans with very very little capabilities and even fewer in number
There ground forces , specifically HIMARS, M270s and 155mm systems are literally doing all Ukraine's heavy lifting in combat
Since they are really Ukraine's only weapon, the reasoning for giving DPICM is very simple
DPICM allows them to do more per shot. Instead of having to target one by one , the DPICMs allow Ukrainian forces to hit multiple targets at once and greatly reduces the number rounds they need to fire mission
You have a cluster of targets , the first shot is doing to alert everyone and they will be gone by 3rd shot
You fire DPICM and one you are hitting everyone at once and two even if some escape, they wont be unscathed
instead of burning rounds and missiles, when they have multiple targets in the same area ,they can service all them far more efficiently than going one by one
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Just a failed conflict from the start
Lets recap 3 key points
First the Battle of Antonov Airport
The US military would have came in at night, dropping forces at primary ,secondary and tertiary LZ
While the first wave would be assaulting the airport, the secondly would be securing LZs for MC-130s to land additional forces
MH-60L Direct Action Penetrator carries the same load out as an Apache but still retains the MH-60 ability to aerial refuel
The USMC LAV-25 is light enough to transported by C-130 which allows attacking forces to have both light armor and aerial support
So instead of mirroring US tactics, Russian forces decide that it would be bright idea to attack Antonov Airport in broad day light
not only were they driven back but it give Ukraine forces time to render the airport useless
Russia's plan was to land 18 Ilyushin Il-76s full of forces and blitz Kyiv just 7-12 miles away
It would have worked except of the asinine decision to attack in broad daylight
Second and most important
Instead of attacking Western Ukraine and systemically cut Ukraine from the West by deploying screening forces to border of Poland, Slovakia, Romania and Moldova
which would prevented the West from supplying Ukraine, Russia attacks Eastern Ukraine and leaves the door wide open for the West to supply Ukraine
With the West cut off, no HIMARS, Arty , MANPADs nada
but instead once again , they left the door open
Lastly, instead of reinforcing the Black Sea Fleet with 1 Oscar , Akula and 1 or 2 Udaloy basically overwhelming firepower from the Black Sea ?
Beef up the Black Sea Fleet before Feb 24, they did nothing and ow the few assets they have left are basically useless
they lost from the start
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Here's a new flash kiddo
Ukraine has been putting money in UK, US and EU pockets so why would they stop
Here is simple point for you
When military equipment expires , it has to go through a costly process called demilitarization
So with missiles, they have to be carefully dismantled, the warheads removed and disposed by controlled detonation. The rocket disposed by via controlled burns, The electronics removed and finally the case is melted or simply destroyed.
The process can cost millions up words very high numbers
By giving Ukraine weapons that are old or scheduled for demilitarization,, thats billions saved when you combined all the various weapons being sent that no long need costly demilitarization
Instead, you can spend it on newer better weapons. More the point, newer weapons do more damage so you dont need as many so you are not spending as much
In the end, UK, US and EU are reaping savings after savings
Lastly, the military industrial complex thanks to Putin's fear mongering towards other countries that he wont stop at Ukraine is yet another reason
so you see kiddo, its all on Russia
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@arcontez9327
So whole paragraph of nonsense
The F-35 has been flying since 2006 and you posted the 11 accidents it has in 16 years operation
lets compare that
The Indian air force has lost 11 Su-30MKI since 2000
oh look
On Jun 27 2018 , Sukhoi 30 MKI being tested crashes in Nashik, pilots ejected safely
4 years ago, the exact same thing happened to India's top jet
aircraft lost during test
Oh look the Rafale has also had a number of incidents
Yet again
In Sept 24, 2009
A Rafale being test again, lost
Amazing how idiots trying to knock the F-35 incidents with zero clue that the F-35s problems not unique to it
The 11 incidents you hilariously mentioned have happened to every modern air force
An issue that risks damage to the F-35's tail section if the aircraft needs to maintain supersonic speeds is not worth fixing and will instead be addressed by changing the operating parameters, the F-35 Joint Program Office told Defense News in a statement Friday.
Nice cherry picking
Lets add the complete story
Supersonic flight is not a big feature of the F-35,” Clark said. “It’s capable of it, but when you talk to F-35 pilots, they’ll say they’d fly supersonic in such limited times and cases that — while having the ability is nice because you never know when you are going to need to run away from something very fast — it’s just not a main feature for their tactics.”
In fact, going supersonic obviates the main advantages of the F-35, Clark said. “It sort of defeats all the main advantages of the F-35,” he explained. “It takes you out of stealthiness, it burns gas like crazy so you lose the range benefits of a single engine and larger fuel tank. When you go into afterburner, you are heating up the outside of your aircraft.”
As I said, a real scam and a whole pile of (barely) flying garbage.
As I said, you have zero clue
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@arcontez9327
On January 4th 2022, the South Korea Air force was forced to ground its entire fleet of F-35 after a landing on the belly of one of its F-35 whose landing gear failed.
Grounding aircraft after accidents again, common and again not unique the F-35
the Pentagon admitted that the F-35 had 871 flaws that could potentially affect its performance, 8 if them classified as "critical". Along 2021 only two of these flaws were corrected, none of them from the most severe group
Again with the cherry picking
lets add the complete story
"Given that the report is not as of yet available, it is not clear what the specific elements of the deficiencies are, or what kinds of impact they may have upon F-35 mission readiness or performance. It is also at this point difficult to have a sense of how critical these may be, as some are likely to fall within the category of routine software and hardware upgrades or maintenance."
Again posting misinformation.
News flash, the Director, Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) reports carry no weight with the Pentagon or US military
The DOTE refused to approve the USAF and USMC plans yet both the USAF and USMC carried out their plans regardless
When USMC declared its F-35B IOC in 2015, DOTE objected yet nothing happened other than the USMC moving forward with their plans
POGO, GAO and others , all they can be do is criticize, object or report but make no mistake, they carry no weight
Again with the cherry picking how SK tracks their metrics is unknown
In late 2020, acting U.S. Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller had referred to the F-35 as “a piece of…
Your desperation is hilarious
First Miller was only Sec-Def for 72 days , LMAO, your source of information is someone who barely held the job for 2 and half months
Secondly ,Miller was the special forces operator , not an aviator. So again your source of information was someone who knows literally nothing about aviation
Lastly his rank was colonel
Now, if the someone with actual credentials such Jim Mattis or the current Sec Def Llyod Austin made that statement ,it would actually carry weight as both Austin and Mattis were both generals, both held commanded United States Central Command (USCENTCOM) and both held Joint commands at highest levels of the US military
Thats called credible sources
U.S Marine Corps reported In an "alarming host of problems" with "lack of progress in almost every essential area" to bring it closer to a combat ready state.
You just love posting misinformation
First , the USMC made no such statement
The actual statement reads
"U.S. Marine Corps Captain Dan Grazier highlighted “a host of alarming problems” and “the F-35’s lack of progress in nearly every essential area” to bring it closer to a combat ready state"
This article by Dan Grazier originally appeared in The Project on Government Oversight on March 19, 2019.
Just posting misinformation is all you are doing
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@arcontez9327
if my evaluation coincide with that from an ex US Secretary of Defense
Yeah, thats called desperation
As stated before, that Sec Def only held the job for 72 and was not involved in military aviation so his word literally carries no weight
following several dismal reports by the Government Accountability Office on the fighter’s performance, a nearly two-hour hearing on Capitol Hill highlighted its engine issues as a particularly problematic feature.
Again, as I told you, the GAO reports carry no weight
POGO, GAO and others , all they can be do is criticize, object or report but make no mistake, they carry no weight
U.S. Marine Corps Captain Dan Grazier highlighted “
Dan Grazier is reporter and former USMC officer , again not credible
No you are posting misinformation as you not posting complete information, just the bits that happen you fit your narrative
Thats part you are not getting, nothing you have posted carries any weight
all sources you posted carry no weight
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Thats true but time is one thing they can't give Ukraine
Ultimately in order to drive Russia out of Ukraine, Ukraine need 3 pieces
The first is knocking out the remaining surface combatants and 4 Kilo class subs of the Black Sea fleet
Why that matters, without those ships, Russia's ability to strike from the sea neutralized, Russia's ability to blockade Ukraine also done
Russian forces resupplying from ships , again gone. Taking out the Black Sea assets would be massive blow to Russian operations in Ukraine
For this they need long range precision strike capability. While the HIMARS missiles have 200lbs warhead,, the Harpoon 487lbs does more destruction per missile
Why the Harpoon
The newer blocks of the Harpoon have both land and sea attack capability and range between 75 to 150 miles. Besides have 3 times the range of the HIMARS M31s but slightly shorter than the ATACMS, the key advantage to Harpoon is that launchers on trucks are quad packed. With ATACMS its 1 on HIMARS and 2 on the M270
The Harpoon coastal units carry 4 missiles. , So with the Harpoon , you more missiles per launcher
The Harpoon's ability to attack both land and sea targets give Ukraine the ability to neutralize the black sea fleet as well strike other high value targets on land
As the Harpoon's warhead is like dropping GBU-12
The next piece is integrated air defence system (IADS)
With IADS, It puts the already strained Russian aviation assets in difficult position as well provides protection against cruise missile attacks
These first two , Ukraine forces can get in short order but if this drags on, then Ukraine can get the last piece at which point Russian is done
The last piece is their aviation assets
Missiles are good but aircraft are better
The only plane for this job is the F-16 and its amazing simple
The F-16 has the CART CFT which allows to use drogue instead of boom which means that Ukrainian air force cause Su-27s as tankers
The Ukrainian air force only need 5 weapons, AIM-9Rs and AIM-120C-5 which are both late 90s tech so even if they ended up in Russian hands
they are still decades out dated, AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/16 and AGM-84 again , the US has plenty of older models from the late 90s that wouldnt betray anything to Russia if they got their hands on it. Same goes for the 20mm gun. The F-16 is also LANTRIN capable which is still in use and again old tech
If Ukraine gets all of these
its game over for Russian forces
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@certaindeath7776
That would be false
You are aiming against a moving target. if the target location was fixed, then simple inertial navigation system would work,
Secondly carriers are travel in battlegroups so there are multi ships present, in order to go after the right target
someone has to guide the missile . Without that guidance,it will lock on to the nearest target.
The anti ship missiles utilizes data links which allows the launching platform to keep them on target.
Secondly due to speed the missile travels, it can't use Electro-Optical Targeting or e Digitized Scene-Mapping Area Correlator (DSMAC)
The only thing that it can use is active radar , data linking and passive homing all of which can be defeated by EW
passive homing tracks target by their RF emissions , Simple blip enhancement can counter that
as stated before, EW Jamming can disrupt the seeker and communications
There is no such thing as seeker than cant' be beat
Its called countermeasures for a reason moron
There is measure ,then countermeasure, then counter-countermeasures ,it goes back and forth
And thats why the USN developed Cooperative Engagement Capability , the effective counter Chinese and Russia tacitcs
as told you before, the advancement of technology makes swarms basically useless
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@korana6308
No, it didnt start with the 4th generation
multirole capability goes back as far as WW2 however afters there was change to make aircraft for specific missions or single role however it died out as the cost of aircraft rose
The F-35 is not a bomber , its multi role strike fighter. The word bomber implies that it like the B-52, B-1, Tu-22 or Tu-160, thoses are bombers, the F-35 is not
The F-35 can perform SEAD, CAS, LAND ATTACK, ISR, CAP , ASUW and EW, Not a bomber. The Kinzhal has been a nothing burger
The US plans for hypersonics are vastly superior to both China and Russia
The Kinzhal is limited to just a few assets while the US planning for all assets to be able to use the same weapon across the USAF, USN and USMC
whereas the Kinzhal usable on just MIG-31K and Tu22M3 which dont exist in great numbers
They are oversize and useless
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@M16_Akula-III
Simple
Your airfield is 400 miles from the coast
I have my ISR monitor when take off, refuels in the air and cycles as well defenses and communication location
When your aircraft hit the tanker to refuel, my EW starts jamming while hypersonic weapons approach
A mach 10 hypersonic weapon covers 500 miles in roughly 4 mins
The first missile strikes comms, followed second strike on radar, missiles 3 and 4 strike the taxi ways, while 5-6 strike the runways
With holes in your runway , it buys time for stealth aircraft or subsonic cruise missiles to deliver the coup de grace and destroy your air force before they can get airborne
The EA-18G w can suppress an S-400 however the subsonic TLAM needs little over an hour to reach its target and there is no way an for the EA-18G to jam that long
thats ample time for defenses to counter and even more allow your entire air force to get airborne and even worst, plenty of time for defensive fighters refueling to top up and engage
With Mach 10 hypersonic weapon, that hour becomes just 4 mins which EA-18G can easily suppress an S-400 for that long
With comms and radar knocked out, the aircraft in the air have no idea whats is going on.
Israel's Spike NLOS can strike targets up 30 miles away and they made special forces launcher that carries 8 missiles and can be internally carried by CH-47, CH-53s or MV-22
Same situation, they knock out comms and radar as well put holes in the runways and taxiways grounding your air force till the holes can be patched and allowing time for larger missiles like JASSM or TLAM to strike before aircraft can get airborne
There are dozens of variations but by knocking radar, comms and cratering the runways and taxiway, you can keep the enemy's air force grounded
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The simple answer
Russian incompetence
Russian lost this conflict from day one
At Battle of Antonov Airport
Simple plan
take the airport, land reinforcements and blitz Kyiv just 10 miles away and reinforce again with additional ground support
If they had been successful, Kyiv would have fallen in 3 to 5 days
instead they turned a simple plan into massive cluster fuck
Instead of coming in at night as the US would have done, they come in broad daylight and got their asses kicked
Instead of using Mi-26s to bring in additional forces, they used IL-76s and ended with 2 shot down and rest forced back to Russia
when Russian forces failed to capture airport , the Mi-26 could have landed nearby at secondary LZ and allowed Russian forces to maintain pressure but instead they give Ukraine time to render the airport unusable. Without that airport, the convoy instead of pressing into Kyiv ended up grinding to a screeching halt
That was the critical mistake that cost them
The other critical mistake is lack of leadership
In the US, all the generals in high level positions and most of the time, the SecDEF as well have vast military experience
In Russia, most of the general in high level positions have very little combat experience or flew desk most of their careers
Perhaps the biggest is that Sergei Shoigu, Russian Minister of Defense never served a day in the Russian army
By all accounts, its literally a politician
With combined that together
Ukraine surviving this long kinda makes sense as the Russian leadership has literally no idea what they are doing
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@realpolitik01
I has 5000 missiles
Now thats comedy
Lets add reality to that statement
All worthless
then end
Its called modern warfare for a reason ding dong
Sam sites are Missile firing units, radar, communications and command post
MFUs are useless without comms or command post and radar can be simplely jammed with EW
You dont need to target the missile, if you destroy their comm and command
Without comms and command post, there is no way for the missiles to handled off
Without radar, no way for missile to reach their target
By destroying or jamming those items, all those missile become paper weights
As far the US
The US would destroy literally everything Iran has
Iran problem's is that Serb already tried that tactic
Serbian forces survived because US SEAD could not track them unless they were active and weapons could only engage them if they are active and they lacked comms to transmit data to other assets. Thanks to those lessons, the AGM-88G can engage even targets are cold or even moving at double the range
Bonus, thanks to 20 years in Afghan, EA-18G Growlers networked together can generate targeting tracks for hostile radio-frequency sources in real time and trilaterate targets locations from hundreds of square to a very, very small area.
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Pretty much
There are 5 variants of the ATACMS. M39, M39A1, M48, M57 and M57E1
Ukraine has M39, M39A1, and M48s, They wont see the newer M57 or M57E1 till the older M39, M39A1, M48 stocks are used up
But as PrSM deliveries are in full swing, that might be sooner than later
The US military opposed ATACMS because they were not receiving the PrSM yet
Now that they are, they dropped all opposition to Ukraine getting the 190 mile variants of the ATACMS
There are 300 PrSM planned for 2024 and 2025
Thats 300 ATACMS that Ukraine will receive in turn
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@blackwidowsm
You guys and your fairy tale world are hilarious
First , fun facts
Ukraine doesn't have an air force while NATO has hundreds of assets. In conflict between the NATO and Russia, ground troops are literally moot
F-15E, Typhoons, and F-18s can strike targets between 300 to 600 miles away without ever get in range of of S-400 or Su-35s/MiG-31
While Ukraine has no navy, the NATO has hundreds of assets.
In war with NATO, Russian forces would be introduced to the hurt locker as unlike Ukraine, NATO has plenty of weapons to inflict serious damage
As for grinding Ukraine down, hilarious as well stupid
Russia has long touted its equipment as the superior and Ukraine has shattered that notion completely
The KA-52, Su-30 and Su-34 represent the latest in Russian aircraft and all have double digit losses
As mentioned before, T-90s have been captured or destroyed thus far
Your desperate attempt to explain Russia incompetence is hilarious
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Russia is basically SOL because of their tactical blunders
The reason why they are running to NK and Iran is due the shear amount of their tech that has been captured and sent to the West for analysis
Tanks, missiles, sam equipment, jammers etc
Combined with the fact that RC-135 Rivet Joint and Combat Sent as well EC-130s ,EA-18Gs and RQ/MQs have been flying overtime logging emissions from EW and radar sites
Going low tech is their only hope but as Ukraine is getting F-16s here shortly, and unlike the MIG-29 and Su-27, the F-16s can fully use UK, EU, FR and Israeli weapons in addition to US, Russia has much bigger problems
Russia' EW sites rely on the fact that Ukraine is limited in their ability to locate and destroy them , The F-16s radar and AGM-88s will change that
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@ragingmonk6080
Incorrect
The only country that went down the road to making their MiG-29 compatible with NATO standard weapons is Romania with the MIG-29 Sniper program
The only things that Poland and Slovak did was communication, navigation and,electronics
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Slovakia
“The MiG-29s were upgraded in the years 2004-2006, including with NATO-compatible communication and navigation systems,” the Defence Ministry said in a statement. “Slovakia’s 11 remaining MiG-29s will reach the projected end of service life between 2029-2035.”
Poland
new open architecture avionics suite includes a multifunction colour display, mission computer, INS/GPS navigation, up-front control panel, digital video recorder and databus, plus a Rockwell Collins RT-8200 UHF/VHF radio. WZL-2 also provides a new briefing and debriefing system, developed in conjunction with IAI's Lahav unit.
Neither added western weapon capability
So like I said
Unless they have been upgraded to carry NATO standard weapons , its basically an exercise in futility
Ukraine needs heavy weapon capability
Harpoon, KEPD-350, Maverick , PAVEWAY
They have JDAMs but thats a start
Ideally, CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition (CEM) would be perfect dealing with Russian convoys but sadly that is unlikely to happen
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@Richard AllisonChina's hypersonic defense system is not the world first , its in the high teens, behind , US, Russia and Israel
As for nuclear conflict,
Its not about being 100 percent, its about reducing the effectiveness of the attack, A few missiles getting through is better than a few hundred getting through
In nuclear conflict, bases with bombers, SSBN ports, capitals and C/Care the first as the goal is to knock out the enemy's able to fight as well as command and control
In the Cold War ,you would be correct but current defensive technology has improved greatly to where defenses can achieve a high level of interception
The US has the best defenses and they are only getting better
Russia's only defenses is the S-300/400/500 and the few A systems. They have no sea based defenses
China has the HQ-9 and S-400 as well as few sea based defenses and are working on projectile defenses
The US has PAC,THAAD, and GBI on land, and the SMs at least across 90 ships plus projectile and laser defenses in the works
HVP ammo is being tested for the MK-45 5 inch gun on destroyers and the Army with its 155mm systems
The US has layers upon layers
China and Russia not so much
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@arandomcrusader-9355
First its only 2 active with 2 in testing/fitting.
Secondly the cost of the Yasen is so high thats it being capped at 10 boats
Third most importantly, the Zircon is not fully operational on any of the Yasen as they literally just started testing the beginning of October
Lastly, how many Zircons will the Yasen carrying isnt known however as the Yasen is copying the US Virginia class Virginia Payload Module, it likely near the same.
The Zircon like the Kinzhal can be defeated with simple EW
Jamming can effectively disrupt communications and blind seeker
Hypersonic weapons rely on communication from launching platform to stay course and on active radar homing in the terminal phase. Jamming can effectively throw a wrench in that. Moving targets are problematic because they are moving
The Chinese DF-21 claims 1100 mile range and a speed of Mach 10. It needs 8 min 38 seconds to reach its target when launched from 1100 miles
a carrier can change its position by 5 miles in 8 mins. The Russia Kinzhal claims a range 1240 miles from MiG-31 and 1860 from Tu-22M3 however the problem remains the same. When launched from over 1000 miles, a carrier can change its position by nearly 5 miles. So in order to stay on target
they need info via datalink, without it, the seeker will lock on the nearest target. The Zircon can launched much closer but its seeker is still vulnerable to EW
One of the advantages of subsonic missiles is that their low speed allows to carry electro-optical or imaging infrared seekers for target recognition and terminal homing
EO/IR seekers can compare images stored on the missile onboard memory and allows the missile to find the right target without external input
The speed of hypersonic weapons prevents the use of EO/IR seekers
Even the seeker is pointed at the right target, the target can still barrage jam ,deploy blip enchanement and decoys
Hypersonic weapons are excellent for land targets but not for ships
Airfields, weapon storage sites,fuel depot, ports , factories, power plants. large radar sites are all targets that are perfect for hypersonic weapons as missiles would require no external input, they just drop and destroy but ships is like trying to tread a needle
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@IronBroccoli
The advantage of the GBU-53 is to accurate targeting
When Russia had it convoy outside of Kyiv, its was over 30 miles long with over 4000 vehicles
With GBU-53, you can target vital assets such fuel trucks, munitions, water, food, SHORADs , Jammers and key weapons like tanks , MLRS and artillery guns
With munitions, its just luck of the draw
Instead needed hundreds of munitions all targets, you accurately target the assets that they cant operate without
Ideally, the US does need to either buy or adopt the UK SPEAR-3 design as its powered so its able to carry out time sensitive strikes up 90 miles away
They also need to revisit JSOW-ER as the JSOW has modular warhead options from a unitary 500lbs warhead, submunitions and the BROACH for hard-target penetration with range of 280 miles
Ukraine has show how effective all 3 types of warhead options, particularly submunitions are a bane to airfields as Ukraine has destroy a lot russian helos on the ground
Of the 61 KA-52s lost, large number have been from ATACMS strikes
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@williamt.sherman9841
False
Whats next the, pics from the highway of death was fake as well LMAO
And you are just ignorant period
The Iraqi Army was estimated to be little over million strong in 91, by 2003,that estimate had dropped to just 375K
The Iraqi Army losses were supposed lower but yet in 2003, they crushed by US forces within 5 weeks SMH
" Risks to Aircraft will only get worse as new systems like directed energy and hypersonic projectiles are developed "
DEW are line of sight weapons and hypersonic weapons are still limited by their range nimrod
The battle between SAMs and aircraft goes back and forth and right now, Aircraft have the advantage
Russia S-500 claims missile range of 310 miles against aircraft while the S-400 claims 250 miles
There are this things called air launch cruise missiles, I know you live a fantasy world but in real world, weapons like the JASSM_ER can launched from F-15,16s and F18s from over 500 miles away well outside of missile defenses range like the S-500
newer weapons like the JSOW-ER and JSM can also attack the S-400 outside its range
The newer generation of air cruise missles are also much smaller than TLAMs as well stealthier in design
Secondly aircraft like the EA-18G can jam both SAM and Counter PGM radars
The S-400 and S-500 AESA can be fully suppressed by the existing ALQ-99s but it requires 3 aircraft per radar which is problem however that will solved with the NGJ pods which will bring it down to one aircraft per aircraft
Also in the real world, there are things called ADM-160s which can decoy as well jam
Lastly nimrod
lessons learned from the Gulf
The F-111 with PACK TACK, F-15/16s with LANTIRN and A-6 with TRAM were destroying Iraqi armor at wholesale prices. however these systems had poor resolution and required the aircraft to operate at lower altitude which exposed them to ground fire and MANPADS A-10s were using AGM-65 IR seekers as poor mans targeting pod
The latest generation of targeting pods are designed to provide HD quality and high resolution FLIR imagery from over 30 miles away at high altitude
Aerosol and other measures could block LGB which is why the US developed Dual mode JDAM and PAVEWAYs which can travel to the target area via GPS and use laser targeting for terminal targeting reduce the targets chances defend and also why the US developed the GBU-53 which is a 6 shooter mode SAL/MMW/GPS/IIR/DATALINK/INS. Oh thats too many big words for you, the GBU-53 can be guided by laser, radar, Infrared back by GPS/DATALINK/INS
That bomb will not missile it target and it can be launched from 45 miles away
nuff said
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@williamt.sherman9841
Random person Youtube reminded me one of more factor.
The S-400 is based on the lessons learned from the Gulf, that SAMS need to highly mobile, able to fire and move at as staying in fixed locations made Iraqi SAMS easy targets for PGMs. The S-400 is also able to fire on various target types however it can't fire on the move, it has to rely on Tunguska, Panstir, Buk or Tor for protection while its displacing. Those systems radar are which older model PESA and weapons are significantly shorter. A single EA-18 can easily jam their radar. It also has to rely on those systems while in place for PGMSs defense. Since they can't use their radars, they have rely on the S-400 for target information however if the S-400 AESA is being jammed, they are basically blind
The USAF ARRW which is development can defeat both the S-400 and S-500 with relatively ease when combined with EA-18G with NGJ pods
The S-500 range is 310, an ARRW launched from 320 miles which reach it target in 1 min 16 secs which the EA-18G can easily maintain jamming for that long
Same goes for the S-400, launched from 270 miles, the EA-18G just needs to jam for 1 min
High subsonic cruise missiles like the TLAM, JASSM, JSM and JSOW-ER require jamming for at least 25 mins which is impossible do against AESA radars
however jamming for much shorter periods is completely possible,
Just as SAMS advance, aircraft advances as well. Same goes for weapons to defeat SAMs.
The USAF has several programs in work for hard kill active protection systems for aircraft
Yes nimrod, the USAF has both laser pods and mini missiles for counter both SAMs and AIMs
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So you basically have no idea what you are talking about, more the point, you are a chinese troll
First one, we dont say " we have four shipbuilders in the United States of America
People from the US say, the country only has 4 shipbuilders or in the US , there are only 4,
The way you write is dead give away that English is a second language to you
Secondly, the countering Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), has already been done, The head of the US Missile Defense Agency has long stated that the SM-6 is capable of intercepting ASBM in terminal phase. The goal of the SM-6 Block IB program is increasing the SM-6s range so it can perform longer range interception of hypersonic weapons allow for mid course interception in addition to terminal phase. Additionally, the point of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is reducing the time it takes for ships and aircraft to to engage incoming threats. Lastly, the USN revealed the AIM-174B which is air launched variant of the SM-6
The AIM-174 gives the USN the ability to down Chinese tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR assets from over 250 mile away. The F-18E/F can carry 4
Combined with the SM-6 block IB, ASBM as well Chinese aircraft are not a threat to the USN and thats counting the host of improvement like that
C2BMC program which allows USN ships to fire missiles and hand them off to off ship assets like the THAAD and Patriot sites
The point of C2BMC is even if J-16D or 15D jammer managed to build USN ship radar, they can use someone else sensors to fire with
@Spearhead45
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So you basically have no idea what you are talking about, more the point, you are a chinese troll
First one, we dont say " we have four shipbuilders in the United States of America
People from the US say, the country only has 4 shipbuilders or in the US , there are only 4,
The way you write is dead give away that English is a second language to you
Secondly, the countering Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), has already been done, The head of the US Missile Defense Agency has long stated that the SM-6 is capable of intercepting ASBM in terminal phase. The goal of the SM-6 Block IB program is increasing the SM-6s range so it can perform longer range interception of hypersonic weapons allow for mid course interception in addition to terminal phase. Additionally, the point of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is reducing the time it takes for ships and aircraft to to engage incoming threats. Lastly, the USN revealed the AIM-174B which is air launched variant of the SM-6
The AIM-174 gives the USN the ability to down Chinese tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR assets from over 250 mile away. The F-18E/F can carry 4
Combined with the SM-6 block IB, ASBM as well Chinese aircraft are not a threat to the USN and thats counting the host of improvement like that
C2BMC program which allows USN ships to fire missiles and hand them off to off ship assets like the THAAD and Patriot sites
The point of C2BMC is even if J-16D or 15D jammer managed to build USN ship radar, they can use someone else sensors to fire with
@Spearhead45
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@Spearhead45
So you basically have no idea what you are talking about, more the point, you are a chinese
First one, we dont say " we have four shipbuilders in the United States of America
People from the US say, the country only has 4 shipbuilders or in the US , there are only 4,
The way you write is dead give away that English is a second language to you
Secondly, the countering Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), has already been done, The head of the US Missile Defense Agency has long stated that the SM-6 is capable of intercepting ASBM in terminal phase. The goal of the SM-6 Block IB program is increasing the SM-6s range so it can perform longer range interception of hypersonic weapons allow for mid course interception in addition to terminal phase. Additionally, the point of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is reducing the time it takes for ships and aircraft to to engage incoming threats. Lastly, the USN revealed the AIM-174B which is air launched variant of the SM-6
The AIM-174 gives the USN the ability to down Chinese tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR assets from over 250 mile away. The F-18E/F can carry 4
Combined with the SM-6 block IB, ASBM as well Chinese aircraft are not a threat to the USN and thats counting the host of improvement like that
C2BMC program which allows USN ships to fire missiles and hand them off to off ship assets like the THAAD and Patriot sites
The point of C2BMC is even if J-16D or 15D jammer managed to build USN ship radar, they can use someone else sensors to fire with
@Spearhead45
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16 delivered and fully operational kicking Russia's ass daily
If Russian forces had actually destroy HIMARS, they would waste no time trying to display the wreckage
Except its claim after claim with zero proof
A clown on New Atlas posted video claiming that the Russian video of HIMARS being destroyed with hilarious explanation that ignore all facts
The alleged HIMARS was spotted at logging plant yet no sign of any fuel truck, or ammunition loading
Just HIMARS ,just magically sitting in plain to see when all videos of Ukrainian forces show them hiding in forested areas when they are not on missions
Secondly,he claimed that dimensions matched except he ignored part where the HIMARS has angled cab and from the position the vehicle was at, there should have been a massive reflect of sunlight but nada
or the famed grainy ass warehouse strike video with no signs of secondary explosions that consistently with ammunition exploding
Funny how Russia's claimed strikes against Ukrainian munitions storage never have any no signs of secondary explosions that consistently with ammunition exploding
Russia can't destroy the HIMARS
Accept that fact
The M777 requires 6 mins to enplace, time for the fire mission and 6 mins to displace, on average about 20 mins. As the M777 range is only 18-20 miles
its very easy for Russian drones to get eyes on M777s units and destroy them
As for the rest Self-propelled artillery, they can do nothing about it
The CAESAR time 5-7 min max
The Pzh-2000 time 5 min for 10 round mission or 3 min for 3 round mission
The HIMARS time 3 mins
but most importantly, the HIMARS is firing up 50 miles away .
Unless you have Su or MIG nearby , Russia is not intercepting any SPA
which asks the question where is the Russian air force
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@alexnderrrthewoke4479
Why is impossible for you idiots to write one comment, thats so hilarous that you can't gather your thoughts one time, you have to reply as fast as you can ???
When has the Merkava fought other tanks ? The first and only time was in 1982
The Merkava is designed specially for urban warfare.
90 percent of its fighting has been asymmetric warfare, not actual combat
Can Merkava survive against enemy with
substantial capabilities like airpower or heavy artillery
Nope
Shield star wars type system. We are not far from there.-seriously
The only system in development can barely stop an RPG-7 and that requires massive amount of power
exaggerating.
What does the WW and WW2 have to do with modern warfare
Not a damn thing
The US military can use ARRWs to knock S-400 and Buk out while EA-18G jam and destroy Panstir S1, Tunguska and Tor systems
Without those defenses, armor is basically screwed
The F-15E can carry up sixteen 500lbs bombs or 28 GBU-53s with 105 warheads
a flight of 4 is 112 GBU-53s or 64 GBU
with 4 F-22s in top
Fun fact,500lbs bombs can be launched 10 miles away while GBU-53 up 45 miles
while out of range of MANPADS
In all , the US can commit 12 planes
F-15E for strike , F-22 for CAP, EA-18G for jamming, 1 AWACS and 1 JSTARS
Even if the enemy scrambles fighters, the F-22 will keep them busy while F-15E work and even then, there is no guarantee that they will make in time
So bother with logistics boon of trying to bring armor to bear when your aerial assets can easily destroy the enemy whole sale
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@theimmortal4718
That depends on terrain
if the site position correctly with the Panstir S1 with clear lines of sight , drones and loitering munitions wont be problem but if you have obstructions
then yes, by time the system pick it up, its already to late
The 30mm cannons of the S1 can deal with drones and loitering munitions.
If Russia had sense, they would have developed airburst data link rounds like the US did for its counter drone weapons
The drone problem is not a big one. and there are simple solutions which the US practices religiously. Destroy them at the source
While hunting the Taliban and insurgent, the US military discovered that 3 EA-1G networked together can generate targeting tracks for hostile radio-frequency sources in real time. They can trilaterate signal to very very small area. Drones and Loitering munitions still give off RF which Growlers can track and send the data to F-15E which in turn can use their AN/ASQ-236 Radar Pod -Dragon pod and recon the location where the drones were launched from
Depending the situation, the F-15E either smokes the target or relies to ground assets to possible capture some systems intact
The ground asset would be the first chance as intact systems provides a means for EW to defeat the drone or Loitering munitions without guns or missiles
Simple GPS spoofing could send them harmless into fields or you could return to sender via spoofing
Drones and Loitering munitions are not problems, they just require a lot creatively
As I stated before, once 150kW laser weapons become operational, that problem becomes moot
If you have say 4 Stryker MGS configured with 150kW laser. As long as it properly cooled , large enough power source , network-centric warfare
Cooperative Engagement Capability and able to fire rapidly against multiple targets
4 units could take down 100 drones or Loitering munitions
This would work today with using Oerlikon 35 mm with AHEAD rounds but instead of 2 guns with 550 rounds each
1 gun with 1100 rounds and magazine that can be loaded even when the gun is firing
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@Anita-k
Blowing depots is good but material is equally as important
S-400, S-300, Buk, Tor ,Panstir S1, EW equipment, communication points, airfields with KA-52, Mi-28 and Mi-35
Those are the material Ukraine forces should be going after
Without air defense protecting the sky, the Ukraine air force can come off the bench and take a more active role
Without KA-52, Mi-28 and Mi-35, Ukrainian armor can more much for freely and also take more active role
Knocking out those targets pays dividends for Ukraine in several ways
Depots destruction slows them down but replacing those assets is hard
Russia's inventory of KA-52 is barely 200 and they have lost 14 in Ukraine already
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Ukraine doesnt need manpower
It needs weapons so it can strike more effectively
Case in point, Ukraine air force has very very aircraft able use Storm Shadow, JDAM , AASM and AGM-88s
The Ukrainian army only has 155mm and MLRS and that sums up Ukraine's strike power
With the additional ATACMS both 500lbs warhead and submunition variant
Ukraine's 70 plus western launchers can strike nearly 200 miles vs the current 103 miles
As before , Ukraine uses 6-7 ATACMS and shredded a Russian base
So offensively, Ukraine can do more but Ukraine wont have true offensive power till they have at least 12 F-16s operational
Unlike Ukraines' Russian aircraft , The F-16 is what is exactly needed
For air to ground, the F-16 can use 500lbs, 1000lbs and 2000lbs laser guided bombs which immune to EW
While MIG-29s can only use the AGM-88 in limited modes, the F-16 can fully use it , specially the F-16 can hunt and destroy EW sites allowing GPS munitions to be usable again
The F-16 can also use the Harpoon ASM for anti ship attacks against Russians' frigates
Russian fanboys are quick to say the F-16 is no match for the Su-35 or S-400
New flash, The F-16 doesnt need to be
Ukraine has been striking S-300 and S-400 sites but mostly importantly after 2 were blow out of the sky, A-50s are no longer operational
So the Russian air force ability to engage F-16s is already knocked out
a smart Ukrainian play would play here kitty and have F-16s act as bait and draw Russian aircraft into missile traps
Ukraine needs the F-16 air to ground capability more than its air to air
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@bigjohnmacarthy9493
The irony is that Ukraine with limited western weapons is going year 3 and counting
No ,its not complicated ,
You are forgetting that Ukrainian forces were nearly depleted
Step 1 was the initial strike on Dzhankoi against Russian air power
Step 2 is resupply forces and stabilize the situation on the front line
Once thats done, they will starting planning to strike for maximum effectiveness both tactically and strategically
in their shoes
The Kerch Bridge for obvious reasons, fuel and munition depots , command and control, and more strikes against air fields
The number of ATACMS delivered is estimated at 100-200 missiles at most so they are kinda limited to a degree
Lastly
Ukraine has operated mainly Russia weapons
so going cold turkey on Russian weapons to Western has been a challenge
Ukraine wont have true offensive power till they have at least 12 F-16s operational
Unlike Ukraines' Russian aircraft , The F-16 is what is exactly needed
For air to ground, the F-16 can use 500lbs, 1000lbs and 2000lbs laser guided bombs which immune to EW
While MIG-29s can only use the AGM-88 in limited modes, the F-16 can fully use it , specially the F-16 can hunt and destroy EW sites allowing GPS munitions to be usable again
The F-16 can also use the Harpoon ASM for anti ship attacks against Russians' frigates
Russian fanboys are quick to say the F-16 is no match for the Su-35 or S-400
New flash, The F-16 doesnt need to be
Ukraine has been striking S-300 and S-400 sites but mostly importantly after 2 were blow out of the sky, A-50s are no longer operational
So the Russian air force ability to engage F-16s is already knocked out
a smart Ukrainian play would play here kitty and have F-16s act as bait and draw Russian aircraft into missile traps
Ukraine needs the F-16 air to ground capability more than its air to air
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@attilakiss6679
As far as PR goes, Russia's propaganda continues to be massive over state reality
From TASS
The Russian Defense Ministry reported that a total of 267 aircraft, 148 helicopters, 1,785 drones, 367 surface-to-air missile systems, 4,359 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 810 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles
Not one of those figures are even close to be accurate
As far pushing out, Russian forces , sorry comrade but Ukrainian forces are getting very close to pushing Russian forces out
The revelation that the West and Ukrainian forces hand adapted AGM-88s to MIG-29 means they are in fact working upgrading Ukrainian air force with western weapons
The other fact is that West is getting close to providing Ukrainian forces with long range precision strike capability
Either 190 mile MGM-140s or 150 mile Harpoons with land and sea attack capablity
Either weapon in Ukraine's hands would be massive turn for the worst for Russian forces
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wow, what dumbass , and lyin sack of shit, for starters, no pilot has passed in the F-35 , that F-22 ass clown, secondly, F-35 will F-16s, Harriers and F-18, which is significantly cheaper. The airforce spent 843 mil to equip its planes with targeting pods, the navy and Marines equally as much. the F-35 has it built into the aircraft. it cost a bit in the end but the savings in the long term is what justifies the cost ,get your fact straight
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Its simple facts
US ships have flexibility whereas Russia ships are one trick ponies
The picture is of Slava class cruiser which main weapon 16 P-1000s for Anti-ship with the remaining missiles for self defense
While the P-1000 is powerful missile, it cant be used for anything beyond anti shipping. Its clones, the P-700 and P-800 can attack both ships and land targets however whereas the US TLAM range is over 900 miles. the P-700 range is 388 miles while the P-800 is 430. The Zircon range is 620 miles
The Russia missiles are fast and carry large warheads but lack range. The TLAM isnt fast but has excellent range and options
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19XXTArAGaM
The US Ticonderoga-class cruiser has 122 VLS for 122 missiles for AAW, BMD, ASW, ASuW, and Land attack. More to point, weapons like the ESSM can quad packed in one VLS cell. The Ticos also have space for 8 container launched missiles which can be Harpoon or LRASM. The newer models of Harpoon and the newer LRASM can attack both ships and land targets. The SM2 can attack both ships and aircraft, the SM-6 is designed for AAW, BMD, ASuW, and Land attack. and the TLAM can attack both ships and land targets
Now Russia with the Lider class is copying the USN MK-41 VLS with their own 3S14 VLS so their ships can also have the same flexibility as the USN ships
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For the millionth time, yes you can
The USAF future for Air power is
B-21-strategic /conventional strike
NGAD-multi-role/Air superiority
F-35-multi-role/Strike
F-15EX-Air National Guard/Low intensity conflicts
The F-15A-Ds,F-22s, F-16 and A-10 would be sunset. Only the F-15E does not have a replace as of yet
The A-10 can not perform ISR, nor Air superiority, Anti-ship, strategic strike, long range strike,time sensitive strike Electronic warfare. Its limited to air ground missions
The NGAD, F-35 and F-15EX can do all of the above missions plus the A-10s mission
Keeping it solely for CAS is waste of money
The fact is that military has shifted away from the sole role to multi role as sole role aircraft made no sense
The A-10 is one of few remaining. It had its time in the Gulf and later conflicts but its time is over
In conflict against China or Russia , the A-10 would be grounded
MANPADS and SHORADs from both China and Russia would easily down it
The F-35 can GBU-53 from 45 miles away which is well outside MANPADS and SHORADs range
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They are not pulling their punches
They are taking beating
its hype vs reality
Hype
During a reported test conducted by the Russian military in 1999 the T-90 was exposed to a variety of RPG, ATGM and APFSDS munitions. When equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA
the T-90 could not be penetrated by any of the APFSDS or ATGM used during the trial
Reality
Despite the claims that Russia ERA like Kontakt-5, Relikt and Malachit can protect tanks from ATGM and types of anti tank weapons
Russia tanks shredded by ATGM. Russian official brushed off the West supply Ukraine while Russian tanks were seen welding cages on their tanks
Despite their superior protection systems.
Hype
The Defense System President-S, also referred to as BKO, is a fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft protection system designed to defeat incoming infrared-guided missiles by laser and radiofrequency/electronic jamming of the missile's seeker. President-S is intended to defeat primarily man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) such as the Russian Igla and the United States Stinger shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles. KRET and Ekran tested this system firing Igla missiles at a President-S equipped Mi-8 helicopter fixed up on a special rig. During the tests, several missiles were fired from a distance of 1,000 meters with no missile reaching its target due to the highly effective jamming.
Reality, today a Su-25 was shown heavily damaged . Days earlier a Mi-24 shown getting absolutely wrecked by MANPADs
Again despite their claims, the Ukrainan landscape strewn with the wreckage of Russia air force aircraft from Ka-52s to Su-34s
Truth be told, an Ukrainian solider was shown unable to engage helicopter with Igla but Ukrainain's forces dont just have Iglas
They have US Stingers and Polish Piorun
The simple fact is that this has become a low intensity conflict which Russia is so for ill equipped to fight
The Tu-22M, Tu-95s and Tu-160s are collecting dust as its the Russia navy
Same with the MIG-31s and Kinzhal and Russia navy with the Zircon
All the weapons made a big deal about are just collecting dust right now
The US traveled 7000 miles to Iraq and then the capital in 3 weeks
Yet Russian can't seem to travel the 286 miles to Kyiv
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@JohnAkaSB
LMAO
lay off the potato juice their ivan
Lets recap how many ways the F-16 will tear up Russian forces and its vastly superior the Su-25
First, the F-16 block 40 was introduced in 1988
The Block 40/42 is the improved all-day/all-weather strike variant equipped with LANTIRN pod which is Ukraine will get
The Block 40 can use everything Ukraines
HARM, JDAM, PAVEWAY , MAVERICK , HARPOON, AIM-7, AIM-9, and AIM-120. It can use CBUs as well be intergrated with Storm Shadows
Can the Su-25 carry anti-ship missiles,No
Cruise missiles no again, radar guided air to air missiles again no
The Su-25 is a joke compared to the F-16
Secondly
The F-16 can carry 2 Harpoons and launch them from up 120 miles away against naval targets
without the Moskav promoted to submarine, Russia has no way to stop the F-16 from going after their ships
Bases are in Crimea are going be the first targets for the F-16
While GPS jammers affect JDAMs, they have no effect on PAVEWAYS or MAVERICKS
Air defense can be neutralized with ease
You are forgetting that Pzh-2000 , Archer and CAESARs can easily drop steel Russian air defense equipment
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@stevewing6851
Seemingly these Americans have no idea the F-22 and F-35 can't see, track, or target any other stealth aircraft from BVR (beyond visual range).
Russia's new 5th generation Byelka (2band) radar, used in SU-57, does have enhanced long-wave radar, they've designed and developed the first L-Band fighter radar we've ever seen. They've cleverly embedded L-band AESA radars in the leading edges of the wings. The new L-band AESA radar data gets processed in real time through extremely powerful Russian Elbrus computers being significantly enhanced removing all clutter, meaning it can see, track, target, and engage enemy stealth aircraft from BVR
Just screams Russia troll
Lets recap share
Sukhoi was awarded the contract in 2002 for the PAK FA, its 2022 and now the PAK FA which is now the Su-57 has just 14 planes built
4 production models and 10 prototypes after 20 years
Lockheed was award the JSF contract in 2001 and there are 770 F-35s
one of these is not like the other
You are leaving out the fact the Byelka was delivered several years late. The AL-41F1 has been problematic as the Izdeliye 30 was also delivered several years late
Quick note
Russian Elbrus computers is not designed for the Su-57
They are using chipsets, yes troll, there is major difference between the two
The delays is why the prototypes were flying using Su-35s avionic and engines
Most importantly lack of exports
I remember when Russia claimed a 1000 PAK FAs by 2020-2025
Dont see that happening
As for the F-22 and F-35
the F-22 ALR-94 and F-35 ASQ-39 are designed to track targets via emission passive up to 250 miles away
The F-35 DAS allows to visually ID targets
The Su-35 was tested by Egypt against its own Rafale and Su-35 was completely dominated by the Rafale superior EW capability
its called facts troll
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@EmperorLionflame
The LCS and Zumwalt have nothing to do with Ford class.
The LCS problem was lack of foresight. The class should have been divided into LCS and FFG but opted for something
As for the Zumwalt, sorry pal but rests solely on congress not the USN. The whole point of the Zumwalt was to appease Congress demand that USN retain naval gunfire capability. The USN reiterated that missiles were better and the increasing range of ASM made NGS moot but they didnt want to hear it
Austal that makes the LCS is Australian company, Marinette Marine again Italian
So your point of the USN going to a non US company ??
The majority of the bidders were non use so ??
And your point about SARH is what again.
If the enemy is jamming, then they already know your locations. Secondly as the before, the SM-series uses both SARH and ARH so again whats your point
If SARH can't be used, then they switch to ARH and that is a flip of a switch. You make sound like location a ship in ocean is that hard with the shear amount of observation sats in orbit.
people start going on about them, forgetting UK/Europe had this 10-15 years ago.
No they didnt. The USN developed the SM-6 in fraction of the time that it took for the Aster to be built
The SPY-6 being "quote" alleging lower does not change anything
The USN is increasing the inter operation and communication between all assets, that called progress
Yet despite the claims of the Aster and CAMM ,the Standard missile has no shortage of buyers. Even buyers for the Type-26 are equipped SM2 and SM-6
Specific BMD designated burkes with SM-3, but don't pretend that is their typical setup,
The USN goal is all cruisers and destroyers to have BMD with SM-3s and SM-6. Frigates will be limited the SM-6
33 of 97 ships have been upgraded
At least the Burkes have been at sea whereas the Type-45 spends most of its time pier side
USN are sighing with relief that the RN with the worlds only next gen carrier group is coming to help them in the SCS
More like laughing their ass off that UK sent a ship that broke down how many times before getting to SCS
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@EmperorLionflame
Again with the overestimation.
How exactly is Russia/China going to jam USN ships at sea. Again it goes to back to the CEC which the whole fleet working in sync
Even if they did have the assets to do so, It may be possible to degrade one ship allow but several working in sync not possible
Neither China or Russia has developed anything that requires the USN to urgently increase its stocks of SM-6 or completely replace the SM-2
China and Russia have the sats to locate USN ships at sea, its not that hard to. The only issue is getting assets into striking position which is complicated and hard depend on the course of the USN ships.
Chinese DFs are limited to targets with its range. Russia Zircon is limited to handful of assets , again not a threat. The Kinzhal is limited by few numbers MIG-31 and Tu-22M3M, Neither China nor Russia has the ability to quote" launch hypersonic saturation"
Right the vintage missile which block I has double the range of the clean sheet Aster and block 2b will nearly triple the range
The SM-6 which in additional to be AAW, has ASW and Land attack capability, right
Can the US not actually design modern missiles?
Considering that SM-2 still sells the a high end clean sheet design Aster shows how many faith countries place in the SM-2
Considering the Aster has been since 2001 ,yet has never unseated the SM series pretty says it all
You mistaking preference and system for capabilities. lower or higher again no difference
its mass produced and a lot of those buyers don't have access to Sylver/Aster and already have Aegis ready vessels.
Exactly, its mass produced which the Aster isnt. In a potential conflict, SM2 users has access to ample stocks were Aster users not so much
Right buyers of the UK type 26 doesnt have access to Sylver/Aster, thats lie you are going with seriously
That goes back to alleged superiority of PAAMS and Aster. No one is buying literally. Even the UK switch to the MK-41 and CAMM for Type-26 says it all
Considering that USN has one CVN and LHD homeported in Japan, there is no need for Ford to come that far west
Secondly the Ford is homeported in Norfolk , The USN was going to send a Ford class that far west, the ships that will be going to the SCS is the Kennedy, Miller or CVN-82
The USN still uses baseline LM2500 engines. They can switch from LM2500 to the newer LM2500G4 if needed but there is no reason to
falling further and further behind.
LMAO
Right name the ship classes that carries 90 plus missiles, able to carry out AAW, ASW, ASuW, Land attack and BMD with simple flip of the switch
Only the USN. The only capability that USN lacks is advanced EW with AESA which the SPY-6 solves
No one is close
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@EmperorLionflame
Except we are talking about the Aster vs the SM-series not Russia or China
The fact still remains that despite the Aster's claims of superior capabilities, its has seen virtually no orders. No one is replacing their quote vintage missiles
The quote vintage missile was approved for export in 2017 and already has 3 buyers and Aster since 2001, again no changes
The Aster is not that much faster than SM-6 but block IB will change all that
SM2 users has access to ample stocks
Having access to ample stocks means they dont have worry about shortages of ammo where shortages would be problem for the Aster
That is when the US is going to laugh at the Type-45 and its Asters as they use the vastly superior SM-6 to counter said threats
"US Viice Adm. Jon Hill, the head of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency, or MDA, says that the multi-purpose SM-6 missile is the only weapon in the country's arsenal at present that offers any ability to knock down highly-maneuverable hypersonic threats.
The head of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency has confirmed the SM-6 capabilites whereas the Aster ?? no such capability
The Aster was designed for supersonic threat not hypersonic
As many times you try cry about the US going overseas for a ship, I am just to laugh as I have pointed out its not first nor will be the last time they do so
More to point, going to other countries for ships is extremely common place, everyone does. Russia asked France for Mistral class ships
Austraila can build ships as well but they still elsewhere ?
Secondly the Frigates are support ships. The USN already has major surface combatant capability with Burke class
USN is mostly a semi-active illuminator navy with low to the hull radars and poor EMCON, they rely on CEC as a crutch,
Yet still very much outclass the competition including the Type-45
when the Type-45 can perform BMD, Land attack, ASW, Asuw on its own, then maybe ,it might par with the USN
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@andilamh2791
Based on what has happened in Ukraine so far , thats highly unlikely
Russia tried to use its EW against Starlink and they countered it within day
Additional The Krasukha has been so far useless in Ukaine , Russian EW has been so far useless in Ukraine
As far as blinding and disrupt, false, that only works against active system ,passive systems can trace the RF emissions back
In full conflict, the NATO has dozens of ways of dealing with the S-350, S-400 and S-500
There is thing called range and the S-350, S-400 and S-500 would never get in range and the US assets are designed to operate from stand off range
So how exactly would Russian systems get in range
answer, wouldnt happen
The USAF successfully tested the ARRW today which is the writing on the wall for both Russia and China
The ARRW launched from 350 miles away can easily attack S-350, S-400 and S-500 as missile only needs 1 min 23 secs to cover that distance
That means that EA-18G only has to disrupt the S-350, S-400 and S-500 radar for 1 min 20 at most which is literally a cake walk
without their radar, they can't counter fire on the ARRW
That also means that MIG-31 or Su-35 won't have time to intercept the EW aircraft
As the USAF ARRW is designed so that B-52 and B-1s can carry 20 plus per plane
The best Russia can do is 4 Kinzhal , that allows one B-52 to break a massive hole in Russian defenses
AS for the Chinese
Their DF launchers are massive and an ARRW launched from 700 miles away can still strike as the launchers massive size limits their speed
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@1chish
No you just like to twist facts
SELEX (aka Leonardo) is similar to General Dynamics , a company that covers a wide array of defense programs , Like the GD, they have a hand in defense but not a world leader
The F-15EX uses two Advanced Display Core Processor (ADCP) II which can process as high as 87 billion instructions per second of computing throughput
Whats under the hood of the Typhoon again, nothing nowhere near that
The PIRATE IRST is built into the airframe is its limited both in size and capability
The Legion pod has vastly superior resolution and range and already has planned roadmap for increasing both resolution and network centric capabilities
The DragonEye's pod which is AESA has allows the F-15EX simultaneously to look in multiple directions. The pod can survey the ground allowing the main radar to maximize its search capability for aerial threats vs allocating T/R modules. In sense it gives the WSO his own radar to use
but by all mean continue with the pointless quotes that amount to nothing
FYI
The Air Force originally asked for funding to buy 33 F-35As in 2023, which was lower than the 48 the service asked for in 2022. Secretary Frank Kendall said the Air Force wanted to use the money freed up by buying fewer F-35s to develop the Next Generation Air Dominance platform, work on a new, advanced engine for the F-35 and more quickly bring on the F-15EX Eagle II
Dec 7
Trying quote actual facts not months old garabage
The USAF is not walking back on the F-15EX as they need it for the ANG units and if they walk back, it would mean they would have divest precious F-35 and NGAD to ANG which they are not keen on doing
From the Sec Def Dec 3
Austin laid out some of the efforts the U.S. military is undertaking to strengthen that deterrence, including that on land, air and at sea.
In the fiscal year 2023 budget, he said, the Defense Department requested more than $56 billion for airpower. That is focused on the F-35 Lightning II, the F-15EX fighter, the B-21 Raider and other systems.
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@petterlion2659
You honestly believe, that US put its best weapons in Ukraine, thats just stupid
The HIMARS is not the US best weapon ,its kicks ass
If the West stopped aiding by the measured response rule and give Ukraine everything asked for, this would be over quickly
Yes moron, you read the art of war and it made you incredible stupid
The long war
Right
Russia has lost over 100 manned aircraft, as most of those are two seaters , thats 200 experienced personnel gone
Panstir S1, T-90M, Khibiny , Krasukha and very very long list Russian tech has ended up in Western hands
At leas 6 high experienced generals dead
The cruiser Moskva sunk and you idiots are actual stupid to enough to quote Art of War for Putins actions
SMH
thats not art of war
that literally incompetence
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@xxxmikeyjock
And that matters because
oh wait it does not
Putin literally can cut off the energy and food to all of Europe- because Russia is only source of food and energy in the entire world
you are plain stupid or just a rock.
Putin literally just signaled the death of the US petrodollar
Again, the US economy is not that fragile as
but please keep grasping at those straws
FYI moron
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Oil Production (barrels per day)
United States - 11,567,000.
Russia - 10,503,000.
Saudi Arabia - 10,225,000.
Canada - 4,656,000.
Iraq - 4,260,000.
China - 3,969,000.
United Arab Emirates - 2,954,000.
Brazil - 2,852,000
Russia literally does not matter
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If Army life was not for him, all branches have whats called failure to adapt and they will process you out , no huss or fuss
Depending on conduct ,its either general or OTH discharge, with him it would have been OTH
All his stupid ass had to do is get on the plane and go back the US, finish out processing and be done
Then apply with the VA to get a possible discharge upgrade from OTH to General to get VA benefits
Instead
Hes now being charged with AWOL as the DOD officially declared as such. Additional disobeying orders and missing a movement multiple counts,
Lastly, if he breaches 30 days, the desertion automatically kicks in
So if he ever sets foot on US soil, the Army is going to run his ass up the flag pole full mast
AWOL-Max is 18 months
Disobeying orders-18 months per charge
Missing a movement- 2 years per charge
Desertion -5 years
Right off the bat, he's conservatively looking at 5 to 10 plus years and thats them being nice
If he takes part in any NK propaganda, since he willingly crossed the border
Espionage, Aiding the enemy, ,Mutiny/Sedition and Conspiracy come into play
A conviction on any one is hard time which will make the 47 days he spent in SK detention look like weekend vacation
At the end of the day
all he had to do was get his dumbass on the plane
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Ultimately in order to drive Russia out of Ukraine, Ukraine need 3 pieces
The first is knocking out the remaining surface combatants and 4 Kilo class subs of the Black Sea fleet
Why that matters, without those ships, Russia's ability to strike from the sea neutralized, Russia's ability to blockade Ukraine also done
Russian forces resupplying from ships , again gone. Taking out the Black Sea assets would be massive blow to Russian operations in Ukraine
For this they need long range precision strike capability. While the HIMARS missiles have 200lbs warhead,, the Harpoon 487lbs does more destruction per missile
Why the Harpoon
The newer blocks of the Harpoon have both land and sea attack capability and range between 75 to 150 miles. Besides have 3 times the range of the HIMARS M31s but slightly shorter than the ATACMS, the key advantage to Harpoon is that launchers on trucks are quad packed. With ATACMS its 1 on HIMARS and 2 on the M270
The Harpoon coastal units carry 4 missiles. , So with the Harpoon , you more missiles per launcher
The Harpoon's ability to attack both land and sea targets give Ukraine the ability to neutralize the black sea fleet as well strike other high value targets on land
As the Harpoon's warhead is like dropping GBU-12
The next piece is integrated air defence system (IADS)
With IADS, It puts the already strained Russian aviation assets in difficult position as well provides protection against cruise missile attacks
The last piece is their aviation assets
If Ukraine get long range strike capability with the Harpoon and a functioning IADS, that gives them time for the last piece
Missiles are good but aircraft are better
The only plane for this job is the F-16 and its amazing simple
The F-16 has the CART CFT which allows to use drogue instead of boom which means that Ukrainian air force cause Su-27s as tankers
The Ukrainian air force only need 5 weapons, AIM-9Rs and AIM-120C-5 which are both late 90s tech so even if they ended up in Russian hands
they are still decades out dated, AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/16 and AGM-84 again , the US has plenty of older models from the late 90s that wouldnt betray anything to Russia if they got their hands on it. Same goes for the 20mm gun. The F-16 is also LANTRIN capable which is still in use and again old tech
If Ukraine gets all of these
its game over for Russian forces
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@ Ben Grogan
"The old Arsenal ship proposal was 768 VLS tubes" exactly The 768 design was not feasible. Even the proposed LPD BMD is 288 vls tubes is pushing it. The reload time for 768 missiles ,up keep of that many missiles and cost made it unfeasible. Example as of 2015 , the USN TLAM stock is 3500 missiles. an Arsenal ship requires 22 percent of that stock per ship where the Ohio is 4.4 percent per ship. The concept was revised to a much more feasible design.
"The Battleships turret size is large enough accommodate rail guns without the use of a reactor. Adding nuclear reactor is bonus." Please tell me you are not talking about trying to refit Ohios, Please do not tell me you are going to be that dumb"
how in the fuck did you get Ohio out of that sentence ???
The battleship size allows for a much larger rail gun vice compact. The Navy's future gun is 64 MJ. A larger version for BB can easily 3 triple range and destructive power" a 64MJ railgun is still only the size of a larger cruiser turret, look at the size specs they're putting forward As for 3 triple turrets, for what purpose? They already have shown rep-fire and nothing the Navy wants is saturation bombardment, that is not what the railgun is designed for."
The current 1 barrel 32 MJ version is rated at 100 miles and future 64 MJ will be 200 miles. So what can the Navy do with Railgun that hit targets 600 miles away ??
you seriously dont understand the advantage of a 600 mile gun. Anti ship capability. One salvo from triple mounted turret would end any ship with 600 miles of it
. 600 miles is roughly the same a AGM-158 ER cruise missile. At 200 miles of an enemy coast, Anything with 400 miles is game, thats bases,air field , ports. materiel. The closer the ship gets, the further inland it can reach. Now mostly the base cost of a round $25,000. Round up $100,000 to 150,000 for larger gun and 3 round salvo is still substantially cheaper and faster than 550mph 1.87 TLAM. Mach 7 rounds their targets in minutes. Also saturation bombardment extremely useful in area denial as well as MRSI.
putting the VLS in one place is not putting your eggs in one baskets, its called design.The VLS can be mounted in any way .The USN just splits them. Ships with a single mounted VLS is not unheard of.
In order to accommodate SH-60s or MV-22, the rear of the ship would be redesigned. AS Battleships are wider , their aviation hanger be much larger. Even the LCS ships have a aviation hanger. The only surface combatants without a aviation hanger is the flight one DDG-51. The USN puts helos any ship large enough to accommodate them. its called fact not dream work.
'Sorry but on this you are 150% high. 1. What magical material do you think has been found that will shave that much weight off? Heres a hint. Armor requires dense materials, dense materials weigh an awful lot. 2. We are talking about fucking railguns here right? direct kinetic energy penetrator munitions, the energy of which blows the fuck out of any other weapon of equivalent size for making armor a complete joke. and your answer is that we will start up armor production? No don't be that stupid - I've agreed with most of the things you've said in the comments thus far but this? too dumb".
WOW you are a total jackass.
.' What magical material do you think has been found that will shave that much weight off?" its called advances in technology nimrod. Traditional battleships used layers of Rolled Homogeneous Armour which give them protection at cost of extreme weight. RHA fell out of use as shaped charges and KE rounds penetrates it with ease. mmm so what replaced RHA oh right is called composite armour jackass. Composite Armor is layered with metal, plastic ,ceramics ,air and other materials. The combination depends totally on user. Example , DDG-51 class composite armour is double spaced armor with kevlar spall liners. Yes nimrod warships use kelvar which substantially lighter than steel . More to the point, modern warships use titanium and various out newly developed materials that save weight in areas where weight can be shaved. Example BB used boilers where today ships use gas turbine engines like the GE LM2500. Dynamic armor is the R and D phase which protections exceeds previous levels. Kelvar is being replaced with once again newer materials that lighter and stronger.
"Armor requires dense materials, dense materials weigh an awful lot" no jackass its does not. Composite Armour is lighter than RHA and provides superior protection
advances in technology ass.
lastly KE rounds are not unstoppable There methods for defeating KE round however they are extremely hard to pull off.
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Ben Grogan
"So, what you are saying here is that you have no idea in the slightest on how electric systems work.
1, Direct draw isn't a thing, there is more to electricity than wattage. The power is no generated at the voltage and amperage used by every system on a ship. this means transformation is required in order to get the correct variables.
2. Direct draw ISN'T a thing, Buffer capacitance is a thing for all high draw systems even if you look to home electronic you have surge protection in the average 4 plug extension cord, that isn't for no reason. When you have a sudden power draw come on a system the voltage will substantially drop, when that draw end there is a spike of excess power in the system until the generation ramps down
. 3. If you where drawing direct there is still cap banks involved. railguns are a current release device, they need a stupendous amount of control over how much power is released at what exact moment, care to guess what electronic component allows them to control when the power is released most accurately?"
pulsed alternators with flywheel energy storage once again you have zero clue what you are talking about.
"a small 23lb is not going to anything as due to its size. its not 406mm shell, its 40mm shell" Again I point out that you where talking about upscaled battleship sized weapons, you are not talking 40mm shells
The point is that 23lb 40mm going mach 7 at ground level does zero. The video links clearly zero effective when rail gun fires.
That would be comparing apples and oranges, The degree of factors you are investigating when testing a new missile system are orders of magnitude simpler than the factors that are being investigated with an entirely experimental system with no operational analogs.???
that would be false as the USS Ponce with LAWS , USS Norton Sound with VLS, Sea Sparrow and USS Paul Foster/ USS Decatur Self Defense Test Ship (SDTS) say differently. These ships tested more than just missiles.
trying to sidestep your original claim, what part of them going for a fixed testing position on land so they can collect data more efficiently translates in your head as recoil is not a factor for this weapon
sidesteping would be you
The EMRG is the first of its kind in the USN. The fact they skipped sea based trials is nuff said. The EMRG and AGS are first new gun systems since 1971.
The 155mm has never been used on USN ships and as mentioned, the EMRG is the first of its kind. Example, The USN tested on the USS Hull Major Caliber Lightweight Gun (MCLWG) prototype. MCLWG was the first 203mm mounted on a USN ship. The USN does not have to test the MK45 127 systems as test data for 5 inch guns goes back pre WWII. The lack of testing of the AGS at sea due to financial constraints as cost per shell ballooned. When you mount a gun, you have to make sure that you have the right specs for the material needed for the mount to be able to handle the weight of the system. Empty and fully loaded as well as the stress of repeated firing. Stress of repeated firing also known as recoil produces metal fatigue and other issues. When firing however much energy transfers into the ship per ship. As shown previously , standard 5 inch guns produce considerable recoil whereas the video link provided shows no recoil on the EMRG. So there is no recoil to worry about, testing proceed on to other items
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@Ben Grogan
And once again you still trying to chop it up. Emphasis on act as but they are alternators not capacitor
Most FES systems use electricity to accelerate and decelerate the flywheel, that would be right here. by increasing rotation speed and energy, the charge time is reduced to zero. hence why its popular" your link again stating things that directly contradict you
whoever wrote the link did not read EMALS. EMALS has a built charge period for carrier operations. it takes 45 seconds for the handlers to move spot and lock a plane. Then add final safety checks and weapon arming. Secondly the EMRG is launching a mere 23lb whereas the EMALS is launching 40 ton plus plane. The EMRG has to be able to fire on a moments notice, thats the difference. As the EMRG only 5MW per shot, the DDG-1000 can have it ready to fire in split sec. EMALS and EMRG have vastly different power requires and size.
MCLWG was the first 203mm mounted on a USN ship" 203mm is 8", Using 8" guns was the qualifying difference between Heavy and light cruisers
yep and 203mm hasn't been seen since then.
"Specifically look at the shot from ground level here at this time stamp compared to the shots from behind the gun, Note the RADICAL difference in vibration despite being in front of the gun where any overpressure would occur?"
"you cannot even remotely pretend to calculate an overpressure comparison"
No thank for proving once again , you are complete a ass. FYI thats what high speed cameras are for. As you previously noted the video shows the shots in slow speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWn_NhYzD_Y. at point 25-27 again high speed camera in action
"The F-35 is a weapon system,
The EMRG is a weapon system If ANY weapon system is being used in a research situation that is not its final operating situation that is indicative that they are struggling to get reliable, repeat performance in real world scenarios and are trying to remove variance"
Once again the F-35 is plane not a gun. The EMRG comparing to 130 Rheinmetall is accurate , Using the F-35 as an example is pure nonsense
No, that you knowing that someone is referring to the different physical stroke distances of a recoil absorption system
as you like to say, apples and oranges
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@SentientOak
Lay off the potato juice
Russia isnt facing anything
Ukrainian air force has very little capabilities
No electronic warfare, No tankers for aerial refueling ,No AWACS, No Anti-ship capabilities,Nada
What they have is very few aircraft able to use JDAMs, AGM-88s and Storm Shadows
So what challenge is RuAF from the Ukrainian air for
no much
Now give Ukrainian a fully equipped air force and you will see Russian forces running for their lives
The Ukrainian army has no gunship able to carry out precision strikes
their few Mi-8/24 can't do much
Give Ukraine, Apaches, Cobra or Tigre and once again Russian forces will be running for their lives
Ukraine defense has no integrated air defence system (IADS)
They have 2 PAC, 1 SAMPT, 9 NASAMS and 4 IRIS which is not even close to what they need
Now for IADS, they need 100 PACs and 50 SAMPT for long range, 100 NASAMS and IRIS for medium range and 100 RIM-7 launcher for SHORADs
You honestly think the few pieces of what they are facing is NATO
now thats comedy
The USAF alone with 12 F-15E would cripple Russian forces on land and sea in 3 days
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America's failures in Vietnam is ironically why the US air power is the technological juggernaut that it is today. Equally as ironic ,is Russia's air power failure in Ukraine
The US learned from failures while Russia didn't take heed and now is currently getting their asses handed to them all because they lack simple equipment
JDAM and PAVEWAYs are universal to virtually all US strike assets while only certain Russian aircraft can use their KAB-series bomb
Targeting pods again universal to virtually all US strike assets while only the Su-34 and MIG-35 has pod-ish system ,everything else relies on their OLS which has turned out to be virtually useless
The Khibiny was hailed as this super system to protect Russian aircraft, yet 2 Su-35S, 11 Su-30Sm and 20 Su-34 have been shot down
Add in 33 KA-52 and 11 Mi-28 and all of Russia's latest aircraft have taken losses in Ukraine , worst is that 90 percent of their latest aircraft are in double digit losses
and even worst, is that Russian's failure to cut Ukraine off from the West has allowed Ukraine to advanced western air defense weapons
Patriots, SAMPT, NASAMS, IRIS-T , all these systems are laying the foundation for Ukraine to get integrated air defence system (IADS) with western equipment
Ukraine with functioning IADS would be Vietnam for Russia but 100 times worst
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