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@111076tom Why are you speculating? Why not just find the facts?
The rail bridge is NOT below the road, it is mostly at the same elevation as the road, but it begins to climb earlier than the road when approaching high portions, so in many places is higher than the road.
You are wrong ("why not just find the facts") about it's military value. It is the MAIN supply route for military equipment into Crimea and Kherson oblasts. There is no rail route along the shore of the Azov Sea ("why not just find the facts"). The rail line goes inland to Melotopol, then heads north towards Tokmak before heading north east into Luhansk oblast.
Crimea does need huge volumes of supplies ("why not just find the facts") as that is where the Russia Black Sea fleet resupplies, and it is also the primary route for supplies into Kherson and parts of Zaporizhzhia as the only other supply route is via Tokmak which is within Ukrainian artillery range (why do I have to point this out again - because you have a closed mind due to Russian BS).
& weeks into the offensive and you would like to see Ukrainian troops destroy themselves on Russian defenses. Unfortunately for Russia, Ukrainians are not that stupid. Speaking of offensives, we're now 26 weeks into the Russian winter offensive - when is it going to even start?
30,000 soldiers KIA. They must be mostly Russian soldiers because Ukraine has lost only a fraction of that number ("why not just find the facts") - expect in Pootin's mind. "Houndreds" of armoured vehicles destroyed, over one "houndred" tanks destroyed - again your are quoting Russian propaganda instead of "finding the facts".
"Why did they end negotiations in Turkey last April?" because there weren't negotiations in Turkey "last April", it was April the year before ("why not just find the facts"). And the reason they ended negotiations was because in April 2022 Ukraine was still loosing to Russian forces and they wanted to cut their losses.
But Boris and others pledged their support and convinced Zelenskyy that he could do better than to cede so much territory to the aggressor. And they were right.
In August 2022 the Ukrainian army brought Russian army advances to a halt. Since that time the Russian army has been unable to make any significant gains in Ukraine. The Russian army has been unable to capture so much as a single Ukrainian city in those 11 months. Over the same period the Ukrainian army has liberated over 13,000sq km of Ukrainian land, including six cities.
That's why.
It sucks to be a Russian troll.
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@User_J9000 Dearest J, what you say is complete rubbish.
Ukraine wanted independence from Russia. They should have got it in 1991. They should have got it in 1994 as Russia agreed to recognize Ukrainian sovereignty in the Budapest memorandum. They should have got it in 1997 as Russia reaffirmed its recognition of Ukrainian sovereignty, and agreed not to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine, in the Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet.
But still Russia interfered as though it owned Ukraine.
So Russia thinks Ukraine wanting its sovereignty is "aggressive" behaviour.
Why is Russia so paranoid about NATO? NATO is no threat to a peaceful Russia. NATO only becomes a threat to Russia when Russia wants to invade its neighbors, something it has no right to do. Why do you want NATO to move away from Russia. So Russia can invade the Baltic states, Poland, eastern Germany, Austria, Slovakia, etc?
Why do you think Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland all wanted to join NATO? Because they all have an aggressive and belligerent neighbor on their borders.
Stop crying about Russia being unfairly treated. Russia is finally being treated exactly as it deserves to be treated.
Russia tried to freeze Europeans to death last winter.
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@Imperial_loyalist "Who is ruSSia asking for help from?" Iran, North Korea and Belarus. Russia has also withdrawn men and weaponry from Syria and Armenia.
"ruSSia uses a small part of its soldiers" Not so, ruSSia is short of soldiers. ruSSia has drawn troops from the Finnish and Norwegian borders, from the far east of ruSSia, from Syria, from Armenia, and from the hinterland.
That is why Prigozhin's men were able to drive, almost unhindered, from Rostov to just short of Moscow. ruSSia needs a huge mobilisation (before the elections) if it is to maintain the present frontlines.
And you forget the the ruSSian army has been unable to take any significant land in Ukraine for over twelve months, while the Ukrainian army has liberated huge areas - including over 18,000sq km in Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts - over that same twelve months.
You are just a silly misinformed ruSSian troll.
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Yeah, easy.
Ukraine rotates its forces, so yeah, thousands of troops will have rotated in and out.
Ukraine was in defence which usually results in a 1:3 ratio of casualties in favor of the defenders.
So if you're suggesting Ukraine lost 200,000 troops the Russia has lost 600,000.
But, due to the Wagner "human wave" tactics, Russian losses were much higher - frequently the ratio was 1:7 in favor of the defenders.
So take the Russian casualties, and divide by about 5 (average) to get Ukrainian casualties.
Similar things are happening in other places, such as Avdiivka yesterday, where 40 Russian troops and 5 armoured vehicles/tanks were lost for no Ukrainian casualties.
Or Vulnedar last month where several Russian attacks were completely routed.
Most combat areas are meat grinders for Russia.
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@RomanintheCloud Ahh, I missed one of your BS replies.
Putin had 90% vote. Biden had 38%, you claim.
Biden won a majority - that's over 50% for dumbasses who don't understand democracy).
Pootin won 90% of a rigged vote, not a free and fair vote.
Russia thinks a vote is where it tells the people who to vote for, or doesn't count their votes because th e outcome is predetermined.
For example, who could people vote for in Russia except Putin? As I said, all opposition party members were poisoned, jailed, fallen out of windows, or had fled the country.
After the revolution of dignity Ukrainians found thousands of faked votes for the Russian backed candidate.
Similarly when Ukrainian troops liberated Kharkiv oblast three months ago they found pre-filled referendum voting forms for Russia's independence "vote".
But keep on lying. Keep on being a hypocrite. But as a bot you're a failure - I'd look for another job if I were you. I hear the Russian army is recruiting.
And remember what Pootin said, the liberators will be greeted with hugs and flowers. And he is correct - when Kherson was liberated in October the Ukrainian troops were greeted with hugs and flowers.
And within days Zelenskii visited his troops and his people.
Where was Pootin? Too scared to come out of the Kremlin. His only visit was to the Kursk Bridge - in an armoured Mercedes (made on a NARO country). Pootin won't even meet with the mothers of Russian soldiers. Most of the "mothers" in that fake meeting had also starred in previous propaganda clips - they weren't mothers of any fighting Russian soldiers. What an insult to Russians.
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@frfriedrice5536 An analysis of you reply:
- "performing a coup" - WRONG. Ukraine having a revolution did not impact on the security of ruSSia. No danger to ruSSia;
- "giving power and more fame to extremists, fascists and supremists" WRONG. Ukraine didn't give more "power" to extremists, fascists and supremists than ruSSia did to it's own "extremists, fascists and supremists" (think Rusich and Wagner). Again, no danger to ruSSia:
- "giving power and more fame to extremists, fascists and supremists" WRONG. Giving "fame" to so called extremists, fascists and supremists is no threat to ruSSia, and no different to ruSSia erecting memorials to supremacists like Stalin (which it continues to do). Again, no danger to ruSSia;
- "and training them for a war since 2014 also making many upgrades for a war" WRONG. Training Ukraine's forces for self defense when Ukraine has a belligerent neighbour, is Ukraine's absolute right as a sovereign nation. Again, No danger to ruSSia, UNLESS ruSSia is planning to attack.
- "The words of an US colonal" - WRONG. The man is a "former" US colonel, and a current ruSSian puppet, just like his mates Scott and Tucker.
So you are wrong in every argument. But it is interesting that you admit that Avdiivka has been in need of DEFENCE since 2014 - I wonder what it has needed to defend itself from? (< that's sarcasm - in case you missed it)
So I repeat: How did the US create a danger to ruSSia?
There is no danger to ruSSia in having NATO on it's border - UNLESS ruSSia is planning to attack its neighbour.
Your comprehension skills are really bad. Maybe you should consider changing you non-de-plume from "friedrice" to friedbrain" as that would be more accurate.
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@TsarOfRuss Well, as is usual for Russian trolls, you got that wrong.
It took from 1991 to 1997 to get an agreement between Russia and Ukraine on the partition of the Black Sea fleet. By then Ukraine owed Russia so much money (Russia likes to keep its vassal states in dept) that instead of a 50/50 split, Russia got 7 out of every 9 ships, in exchange for dept forgiveness. Then 2014, when Russia illegally invaded Crimea, is when Russia stole most of the Ukrainian navy vessels. Ukraine eventually got some back, but mostly just old or poor condition vessels.
The one frigate that Ukraine had berthed in Mykoliav at the resumption of hostilities last February was scuttled by the Ukrainian navy to prevent its capture by invading forces.
So you have shown your complete ignorance of the situation of the Ukrainian Navy and its ships, which no doubt is equal to your ignorance on the rest of the lead up to Russia's illegal invasion and war.
And don't forget, Ukraine's ship-free navy has sunk or damaged a considerable proportion of Russia's Black Sea fleet, including sinking the flagship (with nearly all hands), so you can stop feeling smug.
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@gurglejug627 No Gurgle, you use "Whataboutism" to try to deflect. You also condemn US/NATO actions with your Whataboutism while defending Russia for doing the same things.
I don't support US when they are in the wrong, as they frequently are. Nor will I condemn Russia when it does the right thing. But your definition of the right thing and mine differ greatly, due to the effect of Russian propaganda on you. You believe things that are untrue, and dismiss things that are true (such as Russia blatantly breaking at least five treaties).
Attempts at regime change in Ukraine happened last year, and will happen again if Pootin spots an opportunity. That, and the torture, rape, murder, bombing and shelling of Ukrainian civilians by Russian forces is happening now - and I condemn it. If US or NATO forces were doing that at present I would condemn them too. But all your "Whataboutism" refers to the past. That can't be changed now. The atrocities Russia is committing are happening now, so I voice my opinions against such actions and against trolls like yourself who spread false narratives to support those atrocities.
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@gurglejug627 Well another interesting post from you.
Firstly, I am.not lying.
Secound, you accuse me of making assumptions. Well, I have assumed that the reason for the illegal invasion of Ukraine is because Pootin wants land for his greater Russia. I make that assumption based on facts. Fact 1: Pootin has written and published his desires to invade most of Europe for his "greater Russia". Fact 2: Poorins stated reasons for invading Ukraine are not supported by his actions in Ukraine 2a: You don't protect Russian speakers and ethnic Russians by killing them.
2b: the Ukrainian government is not nazi.
2c: Ukraine did not start this war).
These are all verifiable facts.
You say all countries break agreements. What a world want to live in. Why bother making agreements you have no intention of keeping. That's duplicity. That's lying. And I don't think that even you (morally corrupt) believe that, because you keep saying that Ukraine didn't comply with Minsk. If you really believe that all countries break agreements whenever they feel like it, then you wouldn't keep bitching about Ukraine breaking those agreements.
You keep pushing Russian propaganda - that is the very definition of a Russian troll. Stop denying it.
I don't state assumptions as facts (although I've noticed you do. You assume Russian propaganda is true), with the exception of the "greater Russia" as mentioned above.
I what is said, try to find what really happened by checking sources, check the reliability of those sources , and then express an opinion.
Or I do find out what really happened and express those facts as FACTS.
Fact: Russia guaranteed Ukraine's sovereignty in several agreements - then broke those agreements.
Fact: Russia agreed not to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine in the Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet of 1997 - and then interfered in the internal affairs of Ukraine, thereby braking that agreement.
Fact: Russia sent provocateurs into Ukraine before 2014, to cause dissension.
Fact: Russia then armed those dissents they had encouraged.
Fact: Russia then sent forces into Donbas and Crimea.
Fact: referenda and annexations in 2014 and 2022 were not carried out according to international law, and Russian law makes referendums not carried out by the government, and any annexations, illegal.
Fact: Russia has no right, under international law, to invade its neighboring sovereign state - not even with its bogus justification of protecting the residents of that foreign country (be they enthic Russians and no matter what language they speak). Such issues need to be raised at the UnitedcNations. That is what the United Nations is for - and we all know thar Russia has a seat on the Security Council.
Fact: Ukraine did not attack Russia, so that cannot be used as justification for Russia's war of invasion.
Fact: NATO is no threat to a peaceful Russian Federation. NATO is only a threat to the illegal expansion of Russia.
So you can stop being a silly person making silly accusations.
Slava Ukraini.
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@gurglejug627 Oh, and it can "be argued that feeding the war in Ukraine benefits anyone apart from nazis and Zelenskii". That arguement is frequently made (so you just lied). I'll make that arguement now. If Russia wins this war, Russia will be emboldened, will rearm, and will attack the next country in Pootins list of countries desired for his greater Russia. That's not a fact, that's an assumption based on all the evidence. And I'm not the only one making that argument. Any country that has had close dealings with Russia since Putin took power as making that argument. Open your eyes and see what is coming - all the evidence is there.
You are pushing Russian propaganda with your argument about Zelenskii's fortune. And again "you shamefully cherry pick points" by not mentioning that Putin also has a fortune, several palaces, and several superyachts.
And I'm not answering questions on "Whataboutism" as they are mostly irrelevant to Russia's war. Nor am I going to answer questions asked, since I asked you why Russia broke its treaties, until you answer that question. Why did Russia break all those treaties on sovereignty and non-interference? I asked you ages ago, please answer.
Slava Ukraini.
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@johnadam2885 You really are sucked in by Russian propaganda.
- "why is Poland running around like a headless chicken" It's not, it's taking sensible precautions.
- "why was Zelenski pleading for entry into NATO" because Russia has invaded Ukraine under false pretences, and will do again if not incentivised to think twice next time.
- "Russia has defeated NATO" Nah, you'd have to be very stupid to think that. NATO hasn't started yet.
- "Russia did not bother - because they are getting their way" And very stupid to believe that. Tell me, since Ukraine stopped the Russian army twelve months ago, where is Russia "getting their way"? The Russian army has been unable to capture any significant territory in Ukraine for twelve months. None, nothing, zilch. But the Ukrainian army has liberated over 13,000sq km of Ukraine during that period. Did you say Russia is getting their way? Only if "their way" is to lose territory to a much smaller, less powerful nation.
"Have a reality check" - yup, you need one. Silly Russian troll.
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@mexesrexes4495 But going back to.a previous post of yours - I had never even considered the US insurrection and the Maiden in the same light. I've had to ponder that.
But first a couple of things from that post.
You say that the president in 2014 was a Russian speaker from the east. I don't see what that has to do with it. Zelenskii is a Russian speaker from the south-east, and he's not pro-Russian.
You mention CIA meddling in Ukraine. I'm not aware of that as I've not researched it, but it would not surprise me. But you fail to mention Russian meddling and attempted vote rigging. That is proven. Why didn't you present a balanced arguement?
Russia's meddling is particularly pointed when Russia signed a treaty in which it specifically agreed not to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Maybe if Russia had honored it's treaties, then the CIA might not have needed to intervene (assuming they did).
You make a reference to the numbers of protesters/rioters - it's not clear to me what you are saying there but I think you're saying the numbers don't matter. Numbers DO matter.
In the US insurrection, a group of people representing a minority were trying to overthrow the election of a majority government.
In the Maiden revolution/insurrection a government had been elected on a west-leaning ticket, but then reversed that and signed up with Russia. A group representing the MAJORITY successfully overthrew the government. No revolution is legal, but it's legitimacy was tested later in 2014 when Poroshenko was elected on a west-leaning ticket. And again in 2019 when Zelenskii was elected.
In a democracy numbers DO matter.
Or are you saying that if, for example, my local council closes a lane on our street in order to install a cycleway, and my neighbors and I don't like it, we have the right to take up arms and hold a referendum to cede from my country, in order to get what we want.
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@mexesrexes4495 You are quite right, if a president flees under duress, he is still president. However if a president flees under duress and is replaced by a new president, via a free and fair election, that new government IS legitimate.
Of course Russia doesn't know the meaning of free and fair.
I don't support insurrection in either country, but as the former Ukrainian president had gone against the majority of the people, I'm happy with the result.
And you're wrong, the Russian FSB was involved in Ukraine, and influencing, long before 2014. I'll put money on them never having left Ukraine at the dissolution of the USSR.
I'm sure the reason that the clause that Russia would "not intervene in the internal affairs of Ukraine" was added to the treaty in 1997, was because Ukraine knew back then that Russia was interfering. Otherwise why bother with that clause?
And Donbas was NOT traditionally part of Russia. You need to stop with the Russian propaganda buddy.
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@dandyally9983 "aah not another bot". That is correct, I'm not a bot, but a free thinking member of the real world, not a puppet of the ruSSian dictator like you.
"Russia is pummeling Ukraine". Yup, and Ukraine is pummelling ruSSian troops and equipment in occupied Ukraine twice as hard. Remember how London (UK) was pummelled by the Luftwaffe during WW2? Should they have surrendered in 1941? Remember who won that war.
"Russia is on the offensive, Ukraine has nothing to cover its arse now". Yeah, ruSSia is on the offensive. The worlds second most powerful military is throwing huge numbers of troops at the frontlines and gaining mere metres, while loosing thousands of troops each week. What a same ruSSia has nothing to "cover its arse" either.
We can expect huge losses in ruSSian troops, to hypothermia, in the next few weeks if the weather keeps up - while Ukrainian troops are sitting in front of fires, eating hot borscht, supplied by friendly Ukrainian villagers.
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@ozymandiasultor9480 But you believe Russian propaganda.
Your country is part of NATO., so how is your country a threat to Russia?
Your arguements say that you are anti-American, and that seems to be the only reason you are against Ukraine. That is poor reasoning.
And if you believe European countries are vassal states of America then that is proof that you have been sucked in by Russia propaganda, because it is not so.
America is not a good country, but Russia is worse.
Ukraine and Georgia do not want to join NATO to annoy Russia, to threaten Russia. They want to join NATO because they are threatened by Russia and do not have the military power to resist Russian attacks (as is proved by the military interference in Georgia in 2008,.and Ukraine in 2014 & 2022).
Surely you don't believe that Russia invaded Ukraine to prptect Russian speakers and ethnic Russsians? 3400 civilians were killed in Donbas from 2014 to 2021. Tens of thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russians were killed in Mariupol alone in 2022 by Russian shelling and bombing.
Russia attacked Ukraine because Pootin wants Ukraine as part of his "greater Russia".
Trouble is, he has written that he also wants Georgia, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and much more of Europe, so that history will look back on him as a czar.
Russia must be defeated in Ukraine, and if that means giving Ukraine European, or American, or Turkish weapons, then do so.
Stop being selfish. Stop sacrificing your neighbours becaude of your anti-US feelings. Stop listening to Russian propaganda.
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@muckle8 Hah, you accuse me of knowing very little about anything - meanwhile you consistently show your ignorance on the causes and results of Russia's war on Ukraine.
Seeing as you don't care what atrocities Russia commits against other people, consider the effects Russia has on Ruuian people under Pootin's rule. Think of the 300,000 to 500,000 young Russians who have fled Russia in thr last year, many never to return. Think of the ~100,000 Russian men killed in a foreign land, and the millions of wives, girlfriends, sons, daughters and parent affected by the loss of their loved ones. Think of the 200,000+ yoing men injured or maimed in Pootin's war, many of whom will never be the same again.
Pootin is wiping out a whole generation of young Russian men - just for his dream of a greater Russia.
What a kind benevolent leader - NOT!
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@missesCarmenB That was an interesting video. Firstly, I don't see the hypocrisy. Zelenskii doesn't support their far right ideology, but instead of locking them up, he's focusing their fanaticism at a common enemy, Russia.
So he is turning their evil to good.
Azov seems similar in ways to Wagner Group, except that whereas Zelenskii has brought Azov under the control of the Ukrainian military, thereby making it a legitimate fighting force under international law. In contrast the Wagner Group are hired mercenaries, thereby illegal under international law. Wagner Group are also not under the control of the Russian military (and have been calling for the removal of the Russian defence minister).
I note too that the symbol used by the Azov battalion has a striking resemblance to the "Z" used by Russian troops. Are they therefore also "Nazis"?
I note that the Avovs are anti-LGTBQ, just like the Russian government. I guess that confirms that Russians are Nazis.
I note that Russia sent troops into Donbas back in 2014 to.cause unrest, and in 2022 "annexed" those oblasts, in a very similar way to German interference in the Sudetenland back in the 1930s. Russia really is a Nazi state.
Zelenskii certainly deserves to be "Man of the Year".
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@esense9602 "I am just saying there's no good or bad guy in war." That's usually very true. I look at the current conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and I cannot make out what is right and what is wrong - it is all too murky.
The case in Ukraine however is just so clear cut.
russia recognised the sovereignty of Ukraine in the Budapest Memorandum, of 1994; in the Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet, of 1997; and in the russo-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty, of 1997 - and as such it is crystal clear that russia had no right, no mandate, and no business interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine - let alone stirring up trouble, arming dissidents, and then invading in 2014.
It is obvious that the war in Ukraine is all about russia not wanting to lose influence, and therefore invading a neighbour (Ukraine just happened to be vulnerable at the time) in order to try to keep Ukraine under its control. The stated "goals" of the war are just trumped-up window dressing and none have been achieved, nor will be achieved, any time soon.
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@kabuyesteven9101 "you are a full". Yes you are correct I am a full y aware person that you are spreading propaganda, BS, and lies.
You are unable to refute any of the points I raise.
I may be a "full", but you are a "fool".
Come on there buddy, stop mouthing off and tell me where I'm wrong.
- Where in the last twelve months has the Russian army taken more than 100sq km of Ukraine?
- What Ukrainian cities has the Russian army taken in the last twelve months?
- In the last twelve months did, or did not, Ukraine take back over 13,000sq km of it's land in Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts?
- Did, or did not, Ukraine liberate the Ukrainian cities of Kherson, Izium, Chuhuiv, Kupyansk, Balakliia, and Lyman, and the large towns of Vovchansk and Snihirivka (along with many other large towns) in the last twelve months?
- Are there attacks now happening on the territory of Russia?
- Has Russia successfully prevented neighboring countries from joining NATO?
- Has Russian successfully de-nazified Ukraine?
- Has Russia sussesfully de-militarized Ukraine?
- Has Russia prevented the deaths of Russian speaking and ethnic Russia civilians in Donbas?
- Is Crimea now safer for Russians?
You FOOLishly believe what Russia tells you. Man it sucks to be a Russian troll.
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@Belgua_ZOV "More like 160,000". I won't argue whether it was 180,000 or 160,000 invaders.
"ofc, the situation changed and it was Ukraine that tugged Russia into fighting a war". Great, blame the victims. You have no moral compass.
"they weren’t planning on fighting a war (or conquest)". I agree they weren't planning on fighting a war, but they were certainly planning a conquest. The intention was to take Kyiv in 3 days (don't bother denying it) and the whole country in a couple of weeks. The troops they sent in were more focused on controlling the Ukrainian population after conquest than on fighting a war, something that is going to prove fatal for the russians in the future.
Seeing as one of the failed aims of the war was to protect russian speakers and ethnic russians, it is strange that Putin sent in an additional 160,000-180,000 russian speaking and ethnic russian troops to be injured, maimed or die in Ukraine (and many more since). Why not just remove your forces when the initial conquest went wrong?
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@glenolsen7888 "I look at the map on this site and yes the ruSSians are moving forward like a few kilometers a day". What, just a few kilometeres !!! Is that the best you can do? Ukrainian troops have been moving 7km a day in Kursk...
But seriously: some days ruSSians achieve a kilometre, some days half a field, most days nothing. But each day they lose hundreds and hundreds of soldiers to artillery, mines, drones, etc. And the ruSSian advances are only local, not "up and down the WHOLE line of contact" as you mistakenly write.
Putin wanted all of Ukraine in a couple of weeks (fail);
Then he wanted all of Donbas by October, 2022 (fail);
Then he wanted all of Donbas by the end of 2022 (fail);
Then he wanted all of Donbas by end of March, 2023 (fail);
Then he wanted just Bakhmut by May 8th, 2023 (fail).
The ruSSian military isn't very good is it.
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@hatchxable Of course ruzzia said it was to be a 3 day operation to take Kyiv. The fact that you are useless at research is not our fault (although it is typical of ruzzians to blame everyone else).
It is obvious however that you are getting all your information from ruzzian sources. Take this quote of yours for example "Russia never said anything about a 3 days military operation. The original source of those claims was the US general Mark Milei who predicted the fall of kiev" You're spelling of both Milley and Kyiv is the ruzzian spelling, revealing your sources. ruzzia restricts what you are allowed to see to ensure you only get their version of events.
"it was Boris Johnson who went to Kiev and told Zelenesky not negotiate, fight! You can beat the Russians".
Why are you telling us old news? Of course Boris advised Zelenski to fight. And it was good advice too. At the time Ukraine was on the back foot with ~27% of Ukraine occupied by an a-hole invader. But Boris advised that with western support Ukraine could do better. He was right, the a-hole invaders now only hold ~17% of Ukraine.
So tell me, what do you think fascist ruzzia's conditions would have been for peace back then?
It would, without doubt, have required Ukraine to agree to fascist ruzzia's occupation of Kharkiv, Lyhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson oblasts - minimum. Most likely Mykolaiv and Odesa oblasts would have been included in fascist ruzzia's demands too - along with Ukraine agreeing to the international recognition of Crimea as ruzzian.
So you can clearly see that Boris' advice was good advice.
And it was a poke in the eye for the fascist invader - which is why all you ruzzian trolls are bitter about it. I guess it sucks to be a ruzzian troll.
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@savee1 You stated "2022-23...
...as US least bothered about Ukraine people so the destruction."
Wrong again. Russia is the least bothered about Ukraine people. 2014-2021, 3400 Russian speakers and ethnic Russian Ukrainian civilians were killed in the Donbas, by BOTH sides, in a conflict encouraged, armed and manned by Russia.
2022, tens of thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russian civilians were killed in Mariupol alone, by Russian forces.
2022- 23, hundreds of thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russians injured maimed and killed as a direct result of Russia's actions.
Russia isn't bothered about the destruction, even though ~300,000 Russian troops are among those injured, maimed and killed.
You really have been sucked in by Russian propaganda.
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@PerceivedREALITY999 You really do have a "perceived", as opposed to "real" sense of reality.
You claim that the vote in the referendum in Zaporizhzhia was 93.11% in favour of ceding from Ukraine.
The following population centres in Zaporizhzhia oblast were not polled:
Zaporizhzhia city (pop 746,000);
Vilniansk (14,300);
Huliaiploe (12,700);
Kushuhum (7,800);
Orikhiv (6,000);
Novomykolaivka (5,000);
Ternuvate (1,200).
That is a total of 793,700 people who didn't vote because they were in Ukrainian controlled Ukraine (and excludes many more people living in smaller towns and villages).
With ~80% of the population being over 18 and therefore eligible to vote, that means 635,000 residents of Zaporizhzhia oblast were denied the opportunity to vote, while (according to your figures) only 541,093 residents did vote. And only 503,812 voted for ceding.
That is a clear minority. With more people being denied the vote, than actually voted, is a voting irregularity that makes the vote invade.
But we already know the voting was rigged.
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@timparker4160 Oh Tim, you poor deluded troll. I just read your next post and I realise just how deeply you have being tricked by the russian propaganda machine.
Do you really believe that "Russia has barely commited any of it’s military force so far because Pooptin has shown incredible restraint"? Do you not know that Pootin has had to pull troops from the Norwegian and Finnish borders for this war he started? Do you not know he's had to pull troops from Murmansk and Vladivostok. From Syria and Armenia. Pootin has FULLY committed his entire army.
How do you think Wagner got to within 200km of Moscow? There are almost NO russian troops left to guard russia, because they are mostly in Ukraine being defeated.
Do you really believe that "Ukraine loses soldiers at a ratio of 7:1 on a good day and 10:1 on a bad" because it was the other way around at Bakhmut where russia was losing 7:1. Ukraine's advancing troops should be losing at a 3:1 ratio, but very accurate counts (Oryx) of vehicle losses show that russia is losing two vehicles for every one that UKraine loses. That would suggest russian troop losses are 2:1 - however western armoured vehicles are designed to protect their troops, so russian losses are almost certainly even higher.
If your figure of 300,000 lost Ukrainian troops is correct (it isn't) then russia has lost close to 900,000 troops
"Lets just come back here and talk about it in 6 months" - well funny you should say that, because the russian army has been unable to make ANY advances in the last six months, nor the six months before that, so "Yes" I'll happily come back in six months and prove to you that you have been made a fool of, by russian sources.
Purrrrrr. Meow.
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@matlav84 Hey Mat, have you not noticed that the Orcs have also "lost lot of they vehicles and mens" on many days.
But you are right, this war IS lost. Russia lost this war when they failed to take Kyiv in the first few weeks.
And Russia has lost on all it's stated objectives:
1) De-militarize Ukkraine. LOST. Ukraine now has more weaponry and more modern weaponry than in February, 2022;
2) De-nazify Ukraine. LOST. You cannot denazify what is not nazified - but if you really want to see a fascist government, look no further than the Kremlin. Adolf would be proud of what Putin has achieved;
3) Keep NATO from Russia border. LOST. Thanks to Pootin's Stupid Military Operation, there are now more NATO countries on Russia's borders (thank-you Sweden and Finland);
4) Protect Russian speakers and ethnic Russians. LOST. 3400 civilians died in Donbas from 2014 to 2021, due to the war - as a result of the military actions of BOTH sides. Since 2022, hundreds of thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russians have been injured, maimed or killed in Ukraine as a direct result of Russian shelling and bombing - including tens of thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russian civilians killed in Mariupol alone. Russia is killing the people they claimed they would protect.
So Mat, you are right, Russia has lost this war.
Man it sucks to be a Russian troll.
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@Faiez-rh1gm "Russophobia and neo-Nazism have become the norm in Ukraine and the Baltics - Vladimir Putin." Yeah, but Putin lies. Particularly about neo-Nazism, which is complete fiction on Putin's part. He's not total wrong about Russophobia - which emerged forcefully since Russia attacked its neighbor. Russia has caused Russophobia in neighboring countries.
"where some have completely lost their memory Putin also said." Ironic really, when you consider how much Putin has distorted history - it's like he's completely lost his memory.
"In the last year, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia have banned the Russian language, torn down all monuments related to the liberation from Nazism and put up others of Hitler's collaborators, and passed laws to expel Russian speakers from the country." When you consider the provocation s Russia has shown - tearing down Russian monuments, banning Russian language, and expelling Russians is well justified.
After all, Russia used the presence of Russian speakers in Donbas as justification for Russia's illegal invasion. So if these countries throw out all Russians and Russian speakers, then Russia will have no excuse to invade them. It's chickens coming home to roost.
And Stalin made a pact with Hitler, (the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) so Stalin was a Hitler collaborator - and Russia recently unveiled a monument to Stalin.
Some days it sucks to be a Russian troll.
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@meme3395 A whole bunch of silly questions. But let me educate you.
1. "Why did western countries start to train the Ukrainian army after the coup in 2014? Easy. Ukraine recognised that Russia was a threat, so approached western countries asking for training that might help with self defense and eventually allow integration with NATO.
Would you have preferred that Ukraine left itself exposed to further abuse by Russia (Russia having already broken a number of treaties)?
2. "Why didn't Ukraine stick to the Minsk agreements"? Because they could see that unless Russia also played its part in the Minsk agreements, Ukraine would be left exposed. Russia didn't play its part.
Would you have preferred that Ukraine withdrew its forces from Donbas while Russia retained its forces in the region, allowing Russia to fully invade the Donbas in 2014? Why didn't Russia stick to the Budapest memorandum of 1994, the Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet of 1997, and the Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty of 1997 - and of course the Minsk agreements. Or are you suggesting that different rules should apply to Russia?
3a. "Why did the newly installed government attack its own Russian speaking population..."? Because part of the population of the Donbas, under the influence of Russia provocateurs, was revolting.
Do you think for one minute that Russia wouldn't try to suppress any province that was revolting. Before you answer, think Chechnya Or are you once again suggesting tha different rules should apply to Russia?
3b. "...and kept bombing Donbas for 8 years"? Because the Russian forces in Donbas kept attacking Ukraine for 8 years.
Why would you expect Ukraine to have to work to different rules to what you accept from Russia?
4. "Why were confirmed neo-nazi paramilitary units intergrated into Ukraine's army"? Because neo-nazi units were potentially dangerous, but had proved to be good at killing invading Russians. Ukraine needed all the military support it could get as its armed forces were not yet trained to NATO standards and were generally in poor shape. By intergrating these neo-nazis they killed two birds with one stone: they kept the neo-nazis under control while giving a valuable boost to their ability to fight the Russian invaders. I'm pleased you aren't suggesting the Ukrainian government are Nazis, because they obviously aren't. Russia however is pursuing fascist policies.
5. "Why is Stepan Bandera revered all over Ukraine "? Bandera has been dead for 60 plus years. He's a red herring. Why is Stalin revered all over Russia? He's been dead almost as long but killed more USSR citizens than Bandera. Or are you once again suggesting that different rules should apply to Russia?
I am against USA when they abuse other countries. I am for USA when they assist other countries against abusers (as in the case of the current Russo-Ukrainian war). I have no idea whether USA is stealing Syrian oil, if it is I don't approve. I do know Russia is stealing Ukrainian grain. Or are you once again suggesting that different rules should apply to Russia for its theft?
Enough!
Slava Ukraini.
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@mclukas44lol25 First there's the Budapest memorandum, of 1994, in which russia recognised the sovereignty and borders of Ukraine. Source: look it up.
Then there's the Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet, of 1997, in which russia not only agrees to the sovereignty and borders of Ukraine, but also agrees not to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine (Huh, I wonder why they needed that clause). Again, look it up, it's on the internet.
Then there's the Russo-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty, of 1997, in which russia once again agrees to recognise the sovereignty and borders of Ukraine. Look it up.
Then there's the Agreement of the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait, of 2003. Again, look it up.
Then there's the russian-Ukrainian State Border Treaty of 2003/04. Look it up.
Then there are the Minsk 1 & 2 Accords of 2014/2015 in which ALL combatants agree to halt hostilities and withdraw.
See how many international treaties russia has broken. russia broke multiple friendship treaties and sent WMD to a state neighbouring NATO.
You can easily see who the aggressor is - unless you are blind.
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@rayden1387 What a load of distorted bollocks Ray.
What happened in Yugoslavia is NOT related to what's happening in Ukraine. Not whatsoever. Only in the minds of people clutching at straws to defend the indefensible (that's you).
In 2014 there was an uprising in Ukraine - a coup you call it - a popular uprising by the people of Ukraine - yet you condemn it. A new government was elected that year. A further free and fair election was held in 2019 and there was a peaceful transition of power. There is no way you can claim that the government of Ukraine is not legitimate - except in the minds of people clutching at straws to defend the indefensible (that's you again).
Russia was also subject to a 'coup' but I don't think there has been a free and fair election in Russia/USSR since. Is the Russia government legitimate?
Russia does not, under any circumstance, have the right to defend the oblasts of Donetsk or Luhansk - except in the minds of people clutching at straws to defend the indefensible (you again). And Russia has not done so. They have injured, maimed or killed hundreds of thousands of Russian speakers and ethic Russians in Donbas. They have bombed and shelled many Donbas cities out of existence, killing tens of thousands of Russian speakers and ethic Russians in Mariupol alone. They have emptied the Donbas of menfolk of fighting age and sent them to the front, often ill-equipped, often to die in this pointless war that Russia started. So much for "the right to defend" Donetsk or Luhansk oblasts. Lets kill everyone so they feel defended. You fool.
You think it's funny that most countries of the globe don't recognise the referendum in Crimea - remember that they don't recognise the referenda, nor the annexations, in the four other Ukrainian oblasts either.
I have voted in at least 10 free and fair elections referenda in my own country. What I saw of the refernda held in Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts shocked me. I have never seen such blatant coercion. That would immediately invalidate any results.
If Russia had a legitimate issue with the treatment of Russian speakers in Donbas, why didn't it deal with the matter at the UN? Russia is a member of the Security Council after all.
"the precedent is done" you say. Bollocks. So what you are saying is if your neighbor robs your house, then there is a precedent and all your neighbors are then allowed to rob your house. Complete bollocks.
"You cannot invoke the law when it is you who have violated it." It is not me, nor my nation, that has violated. But Russia has, and you are cool with that.
It sucks to be a brainwashed Russian troll.
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@shhs6127 I have re-read your previous post. Yes, wrong. Mostly Russian propaganda.
But I'm pleased you can see that this is nothing more than an attempted land grab by Russia. Elininate the opposing army on the battlefield - the land comes later.
And I have learned history from 2014. In fact I've learned history from 1991.
Did you know that between 1991 and 2014 Russia signed 3 treaties in which they recognised the sovereignty of Ukraine and agreed not to interfere in Ukraine's internal affairs. All broken by Russia.
Russia was interfering in Ukrainian affairs long before 2014. It was Russia's interference that triggered the Maidan.
Russia sent agents into Russian speaking parts of Ukraine to stir up dissidents. Then Russia armed those dissents. Then Russia invaded Crimea and sent troops into Donbas to lead and train those dissents.
All this time Russia spread lies to confuse the people. Russia does this in the west too.
One lie Russia spreads is that 14,000 civilians were killed by Ukraine in Donbas. I bet you believe that too. Between 2014 and 2021, 3500 civilians died in Donbas as a result of the war Russia started in 2014. Those 3500 were killed by BOTH sides, and it includes civilians who stood on landmines, etc.
Russia claims its 2022 war was to protect Russian speakers and ethnic Russians. I bet you believe that as well. Yet Russian killed tens of thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russians in it's shelling and bombing of Mariupol alone.
Russia has killed maybe twenty times as many Russian speakers and enthic Russian civilians in one year, as Ukraine did in 8 years. That's not protecting civilians. Russia has also used WW2 tactics of sending human waves against Ukrainian troops, resulting in massive losses of young Russian men. Russia proves time and time again that it just doesn't care about people.
As you said, it's about the land, and Pootin doesn't care how many Ukrainians and Russians have to die for him to gain more land.
Don't start me on the nazi BS.
So, in conclusion, you are totally wrong.
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@ramadhanmohamed5451 "He should be wise n agree to Russia terms,not the Europe.......Anyway his country,his people n land that what is going to suffer" - so Ukraine is going to suffer if Ukraine doesn't give away 17% of it's land at the hands of the Russians and you have the audacity to say it's Europe's fault they are suffering !!! Do you know how morally corrupt that makes you?
Do you not understand the situation in Ukraine? In 2014 the people of Ukraine raised up against a Russian puppet president who when against the will of the majority and sucked up to Putin - the Maidan. A coup, and revoltution - call it what you will. Since that time there have been two free and fair elections and a peaceful transition of power so today's government is legitimate (something you can't say of Russia's government).
That legitimate government is representing the will of the people by resisting further Russian repression. Zelenskyy IS being used. He is being used by the people of Ukraine to further their desire to seek independence - independence from Russia, as Russia agreed to many times in the past and has reneged upon.
Is he fighting a losing battle? I don't think so, and nor do the Ukrainian people. The Russian army was brought to a halt twelve months ago. The Russian army has been unable to take any significant land area in Ukraine for 12 months - nothing, zilch - not so much as a single city. Since halting the Russian army Ukraine has liberated tens of thousands of sq km of Ukrainian land (13,000sq by my estimate, but others have said higher) - including six Ukrainian cities.
So how do you claim "he is fighting a lost battle", as the "lost" army is Russian.
Britain suffered badly in the German Blitz - and we know who won that war.
Zelenskyy would be UNWISE to agree to Russian terms. That's probably what Boris Johnson advised him early in this war - and Boris was right, Ukraine is in a much better position than it was back then.
Russia, on the other hand, has also lost huge amounts of men and machines. Russia should pack up and go home now, before worse happens.
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@deruntergangvannederland1868 I agree when you day "Putin is just childish".
Anyone so evil that he sends 200,000 people to their deaths, for some stupid dream.of being boss of a "greater Russia, is acting like a spoilt child.
Why are other countries helping Ukraine? Because if this evil is not stopped now, next it will be Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Checha, Austria, Hungary, Germany and more.
At which of those countries do YOU think the rest of the world should make a stand against Russia's aggression?
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@wolverinexman5105 And you are part of Russian propaganda. Blame the rest of the world for finally standing up to Putin and his evil ways. Blame, blame, blame. Everybody hates us. Of course they do - everyone hates a bully. People hate USA when it bullies. All superpowers bully (look at China bullying Uighurs, Hong Kong, South China Sea, Tibet, Taiwan, Vietnam etc.). But Russia is the worst and is being stopped. Russia will come out of this a poor nation that will take years to recover. And think of all those young Russian men dead (20,000.to 42,000) and wounded (probably over 100,000) whose lives have been ruined by a maniacal Putin.
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@auggieeast At the moment what you say about Russia retaining Crimea is the minimum, would appear tobe correct. . But lets see what the situation is in a few months, in a year, in 18 months, and in two years time.
As for testing a nuclear power, yes I think.we should take that risk. The alternative is sending the signal that aggression will be rewarded.
And lets face it, if there is a full nuclear war, well it'll all be over quickly - as opposed to the slow grind of Russia annexing Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Finland, East Germany...
Personally I'm hoping Russia will collapse and that might prevent both the quick death and the slow grind scenarios. Time will tell. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Slava Ukraini.
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@6b32wuifan5 "nearly 500 k Ukrainians died or injured". Yeah that's a figure you ruSSian trolls like to throw around. Unlucky for you it's a huge exaggeration.
But do you know ruSSia has lost over 1,000,000 men as a result of this war?
500,000 to 700,000 ruSSian men are known to have fled ruSSia last year to avoid mobilization. A further ~500,000 are injured, maimed or dead as a result of being sent to Ukraine.
And don't blame Boris - it is Putler who started this war. All those deaths and injuries are a direct result of Putin sending his troops into Ukraine, and then not withdrawing them when his three day capture of Kyiv failed.
It is Putin who doubled down and caused all the death and destruction we see in Ukraine, and now increasingly in ruSSia itself.
I think Putin scored a "home goal" - but what does he care, so long as he's living in luxury mansions and his palace, while stupid ruSSian men are dying in flooded and freezing trenches.
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@garretttobin7451 What did you say that if factually incorrect, you ask. Easy:
1) You said that most of Ukraine's trained and combat capable troops are either killed or injured. Obviously untrue as they're holding back the world's former second most powerful military force in the world. So much for that super-analytical power you have.
2) You said Ukraine has suffered at least 100k men killed - because Ursula Van Der Leyen had stated this. There is no way we can know the truth of this as it has not been published. So your super-analytical powers can even predict as well as analyse. Yeah right.
3) You said Russia has lost at most 30,000 men. This is possibly correct if you count officers and higher and 'men' - as it appears the common cannon-fodder troops don't count. Add them in, along with DPR, LPR and mercenaries, and your figure is pure BS. Sure Ukraine exaggerates, but you're using totally fictitious Russian propaganda figures.
Whatever the true figures are for both Russian and Ukrainian losses, any analysis will suggest that Russian losses will be higher as their tactic of using newly mobilized and prison sourced troops as cannon fodder will result in higher numbers of deaths.
4) You said Zalushny admitted civilians were handed guns and given a uniform and forced into the military at gunpoint. Not much use of your super-analytical skills there. That's not an analysis, it's a propaganda based gloat.
5) You said Putin did everything he could to avoid this conflict. Putin did NOT do everything he could to avoid this war. Putin did everything he could to keep Ukraine as a vassal state of Russia. He sent provocateurs into the Donbas to foment trouble. He sent weapons and troops into the Donbas to firm up the trouble he'd started. He even had his troops fire artillery into both Ukrainian held Donbas and rebel held Donbas at the same time to rile up both sides (I've seen the footage). He's swamped the internet with stories of Ukraine killing 14,000 innocent civilians in Donbas - when the truth is 3400 civilians were killed in Donbas from 2014 to 2021, by both sides, and including civilians killed by landmines.
Then when that wasn't enough to keep Ukraine under his thumb he started a real war and pretended it wasn't.
6) You said Ukraine underwent a violent coup d'etat financed and supported by the US in 2014 allowing ultranationalist and Neo Nazis forces to take power. Again your special power of analytical prowess has let you down. There is no evidence of US financing the coup. A desire to be independent of a belligerent controlling Russia does not constitute "ultranationalism". And the small group of far-right 'fascists" did not take power (instead they were harnessed to support Ukrainian independence by very successfully killing invading Russians). That's three FAILS in just one of your sentences.
7) You said uprisings sprung up throughout the East of the country which has always favored Russia... In 1991 the Donbass decided to go with Ukraine rather than remain part of Russia - how do your super-analytical skills interpret that as "always favored Russia".
So basically, your claim to be able to always out analyse anyone else appear to be based in fiction or self-delusion. You are just another Russian troll who has been sucked in by Kremlin propaganda.
Tell me, if Russia is so pure and fair and kind, why is it that not a single former soviet state recognised the sham referenda and annexations of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts? In other words, why is nobody backing wonderful Russia?
Slava Ukraini.
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@menninkainen8830 I agree. After Poland, Finland, and Sweden , then UK, Denmark, Norway, and Netherlands. France, maybe. Germany, probably not. Chechia and Canada, likely. USA, who can say under the current administration (which seems to think along the same lines as Putin - with complete disregard of international borders) impossible to
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@arbendit4348 You are constantly making stuff up. You are constantly accusing me of saying things I didn't say. When I pull you up on it you say I "insinuated" stuff. The insinuation is in your mind.
You said Ukraine was more corrupt than Russia, when in fact the opposite is true.
Now you say that Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe - I believe that honor belongs to Moldova.
And it goes on and on.
Then you make up stuff to fit your narrative, such as the tanks in Russian tank graveyards are well maintained. Listen to yourself, you are so full of BS. "They're all stored under cover", "okay they're not all stored under cover, but they're all well maintained" but you have yet to get really close to the truth: "a few are stored under cover, but very few are well maintained". The fact that Russia, the second most powerful military in the world, and a major arms manufacturer and exporter, has to stoop so low as to send these post-WW2 relics to the battlefield speaks volumes about the state of the Russian military.
Shit, the second most powerful military in the world is sending equipment into battle that you would expect the second poorest country in Europe to field.
Thank God for Russian corruption.
So why are you a supporter of the Russian fascist regime? Is it a hate of the US? It cannot be a love of a ruthless country like Russia - unless you have no moral compass. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on you, maybe you've just been sucked in by Russian propaganda.
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@nlorand9033 It looks like the Russians got to you. I suppose they showed you some videos and you believed them. Sucker.
Do you not know that Russia is more prolific at propaganda than even the USA?
As an example, Russia recently put out a video showing it's troops occupying Synkivka, a town just east of Kupyansk, to show their progress in taking back the Kharkiv oblast.
However geolocation showed that the video was made in Voronovo, some hundreds of km away in occupied Donbas. Another faked video to show that Russian is winning, when in fact it hasn't gained any territory around Kupyansk at all.
An other example of fake Russian propaganda (an example that you have obviously fallen for) is that Ukraine shelled civilians in Donetsk from 2014, usually claiming 14,000 civilians were killed as a result. The truth is, 3400 civilians were killed in Donbas from 2014 to 2021, as a result of hostilities by BOTH sides - including civilians who stood on land mines, etc. Another truth is that Russia has killed tens of thousands of Donetsk civilians in just three months of bombing and shelling Mariupol last year.
No more Russian BS please.
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@yaqob3275 Oh Musa, you're so sad. You're way behind the ball. Ukraine isn't shooting at the power plant. Russia is shooting at the plant.
Let me ask you a simple question (for it seems that simple is required in your case). If Ukraine had been firing at the plant with all their accurate, modern, west supplied, munitions they'd surely have hit something or someone by now. How many Russians have been killed or wounded at the plant? The correct answer is: zero.
Why is that?
Now just suppose for a minute that Russia was to shell the plant. They know where in the plant their troops are, so they would shell parts of the plant where there are no Russians, or arrange for them to move from the area to be shelled. Funny thing is, that would result in no Russians being killed. Funnier, no Russians were killed or wounded.
Do you remember when the IAEA visited the plant a couple of months ago? Do you remember one of the IAEA team asking why a rocket that was embedded in the ground/roof had its tail pointing east. A Russian official offered some bollocks story about the rockets rotating on impact. Yeah right, the Ukrainians don't use microchips stolen from washing machines for their rockets, so their missiles don't have a "spin cycle".
Now try to get your simple mind around the idea of a serious mishap caused by shelling the plant. It might result in radioactive contamination for a large part of Ukraine. Who would have nothing to loose if that happened, Russia or Ukraine? So it makes no sense for Ukraine to risk contamination, whereas Pootin wouldn't care if half of Ukraine was uninhabitable.
Russian troops have a poor recordcaround nuclear power plants. Russian soldiers souvenired radioactive items from around the Chernobyl plant. Russian troops also dug trenches in the red forest around Chernobyl - probably one of the most radioactive places on Earth.
No, there's no.reason and no evidence for Ukraine to have shelling the ZPP.
There's plenty of evidence of recklessness around nuclear power plants, and some evidence of shelling, on the part of Russian forces. And Russia has nothing to loose by doing so.
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