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  226. ​ @LifeStrike2030  First of all, I have run for offiice (WV House of Delegates, 2006), so how many offices have you run for? Second of all, Green Party organization is notoriously poor because of the obsession with getting to 5% to get that sweet, sweet matching fund cash. Never mind the fact that the only independent or third party movement to get 5% or more in successive elections was Perot, and he got less than half the vote the second time around. (The next closest was the Socialist Party going from 6.1% in 1912 to 4.9% in 1916.) Never mind that Greens have tried for over 50 years and never topped 2.74% The Green Party is notorious for focusing its efforts on the top of the ballot at the expense of down ballot races, even when rules help them out. In Philadelphia, the Green Party ran a candidate in 2015 for at-large seats on city council. The logic was that voters only get to choose five, the top seven get elected, and everyone knows that the bottom Democratic candidate will more than double the top Republican, so use one of your votes to get us on City Council. The candidate got 11,000 votes, with 38,000 being the cut off. I only found out about it a few days before the election seeing a postcard at the train station explaining her strategy. In 2019, several other third parties got the same idea, and a Working Families Party candidate finished in the running. Four years later, both Working Families candidates won, reducing Republicans to the third party on city council (14-2-1, with Republicans winning one seat in NE Philly). Where were Greens the last two municipal elelections? Nowhere to be seen. This should have been a layup, and they didn't even try. Funny how they try hardest in races where their efforts help Republicans.
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  2049.  @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas  It does, because if no one gets to 270, it goes to the House. Therefore, coalitions are encouraged by voters rather than parties. When there are close elections and a candidate becomes President without winning the popular vote, the winning margin comes from states where the President-elect got the electoral votes in states with a plurality of votes put him over the top, and third party voting made a key difference. In 2000, Bush got pluralities in states (including Florida) totaling 54 electoral votes. Based on how Nader voters would have voted had he not been on the ballot, Florida wouldn't have been close enough for the Supreme Court to steal it. Without those electoral votes, Bush only gets 217. In 2016, Trump won pluralities in states totaling 108 electoral votes, meaning that without them he only gets to 198. When people see how third parties help elect people whose views are farther away, fewer people vote third party the next time. In 2000, the total third party vote was 3.76% of the total. In 2004, it had fallen to 1.00%. In 2016, third party voting was 5.83% of the vote. In 2020, it had fallen to 2.03%. When actual voters see the consequences of voting third party, they move toward the major parties again. Even if a third party candidate were to catch fire, the best he/she could hope for would be to throw the election to the House... where it will be decided by Democrats and Republicans. Our system has always gravitated to two major parties for a reason.
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  2234. @Jack Tharp We wouldn't have any sort of modern economy if we were bound by the amount of gold we own. That's why every modern economy abandoned the gold standard and it's more prevalent in Third World countries. Yes, both parties have had debts and deficits, but since people like to throw around the family analogy, going into debt to buy a house is a lot different than going into debt to buy a bunch of stuff on Amazon. You are not getting how the phrase "spender of last resort" is used. It doesn't mean that the government never spends money, it means that there are times that it needs to spend when no one else will. There was also the government as employer of last resort. Not civil service positions, but temporary jobs to help remove the slack in the market. Yes, let us look at the successes: we are having this discussion on the internet (defense project) with products that were shipped via trucks (roads built by the government), trains (tracks built by the government), ships (ports maintained by the government), and planes (air control administered by the government). If you are in a rural area, you have electricity because government stepped in when the free market deemed it cost infleffective. If you went to public school, government again. If your water is not polluted, the EPA made sure it isn't. If you ate food, the FDA inspected it to make sure that it wasn't poisoned. As Sam told another debater, you think you are standing suspended in mid air, but you don't see the building supporting you.
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  2313.  @SportsZombie54  He also said that "Amazon would have to pay for every purchase," which was a ridiculous notion, because every study has shown that any consumption tax in any form gets completely passed onto the consumer. Do you consider books to be a luxury item? I don't. If it is only on luxury goods, it is by definition not a VAT, and it isn't enough to raise $2.5T. A VAT is a broad-based tax. The existing social safety net should not be either/or. Making people give up their existing benefits is the very definition of a right-wing UBI. The key distinction is whether or not is in addition to or instead of the existing benefits. Robert Reich proposed one that doesn't take away what people already get. There are some needs that are specific and acute, and a UBI is wholly inadequate to address them. Why force people in that situation to choose? Example: Of the few that he was willing to specify, Yang mentioned daycare subsidies. Imagine a single parent with two small children making $20,000/year. Since Yang doesn't support increasing the minimum wage, this is entirely feasible. Daycare for two kids is $1500/month. Therefore, it is either take the subsidy or quit the job. Since the former is clearly the best option, you are now making that person pay extra for goods, thus making his/her position worse in absolute dollars, and worse in relative dollars, because the friends from the job who don't have small children are now getting more money to spend. How is this progressive?
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  2558.  @3ld919  I do mean a fake leftist all along. Greenwald is a libertarian, and when you look at the Snowden story and what they really believe, it is obvious that he is hardly a hero and (considering the fact that he has outlasted so many dissidents in Russia), possibly an agent. I don't know if coordination is necessarily the correct term amongst the anti-anti-Trump crowd, but there is a lot of overlap. Probably the biggest gateway is caring more about being anti-establishment than any particular set of beliefs. I met Krystal Ball last year when she came to Philadelphia, and she is one of the most dangerous of all. It was at a DSA meeting, and she had the group eating out of her hand. I kept hearing her talking about how rewarding it was to write a book, and I waited in line and got my copy, as well as taking a picture with her and my then 4 1/2 year old daughter. When I got the book, I was shocked to find out that it was a brief essay about what I realized later was a red/brown alliance, and transcripts of the radars I can get for free online. I always thought it odd how often she went after Establishment Dems, but I just chalked it up to the nature of the primary, although her love for Yang and Tulsi suggested a blind spot. I still keep the picture and the book... as a reminder to always beware of possible grifters. My guess is that like Dave Rubin before them, they realized the money was in dumping on the left. The people behind them, on the other hand, are probably coordinating.
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  2767.  @MrMarket1987  The point is that when a bill for universal or near-universal health care fails, it kills any such legislation for a generation. Edward Kennedy learned that lesson when he killed the Nixon plan in 1971 because he wanted to hold out for something better. He spent 38 years trying and failing to get anything better. LBJ, arguably the most effective vote wrangler ever, knew this and only tried to get it for seniors, because he knew that was the best he could get. If you look at the four major pushes for universal or near-universal health care in the United States, not only does it go away when it fails, but each version gets weaker (Truman in 1948, Nixon in 1971, Clinton in 1993-94, Obama in 2009-10). Failure leads to more failure, but success tends to create a toehold as legislation tends to improve after it is passed (for example: Social Security didn't originally cover domestic and farm work). Medicare itself has expanded over the years as well. The ACA was an exception to the rule because Mitch McConnell has basically broken the United States government. The last major health care bill that passed before the ACA was Medicare Part D, and it was a hot mess, but Democrats worked with Republicans to improve the bill and make it work better. Besides, given the fact that literally one-seventh of the economy will rebel against this and throw everything they have at it, you don't need symbolic votes guaranteed to fail, you need a grassroots army mobilizing to educate and get people on board so they won't fall for the scare tactics of Harry and Louise. Given your username, I don't know if you remember them, but when those ads started, support for Hillarycare plummeted.
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  3181.  @TimeBandit2007  That's not quite how Supreme Court replacements work. Unless someone dies on the bench, it is his/her decision when to retire, so chances are Kennedy would have stayed on the bench. Instead, you might have had RBG retire so we don't have to worry about whether or not Trump gets to name her replacement. As of right now, Roberts is the "swing" Justice. If RBG dies between now and when Trump leaves office, then you have to convince Roberts and one other right-wing Justice not to do something awful. As far as Obama locking kids up, did I say "locking kids up"? No, I said kidnapping. Obama didn't separate children from their parents, he didn't adopt those kids out, and he didn't send a two year old in court to defend herself without a lawyer to defend herself. If you can't tell the difference between the two, either you are very, very unaware of the worst abuses that he is doing, or you are trying to salve your conscience because of the very real consequences of what you advocated on this front. As far as TPP, if Hillary was elected, Democrats probably would have controlled the Senate by a 50-50 margin (with a swing in PA & WI). Given that Republicans would have done everything possible to spite her, and people like Bernie and Warren wouldn't have gone along, TPP would have been DOA. We would still be in the Paris Accords, we wouldn't have destroyed our reputation in the world, we wouldn't have been playing nuclear chicken with North Korea and then emboldened Kim to thumb his noses at us after dangling the disarmament carrot in our faces, we wouldn't have a President with a long history of scaremongering on vaccines, and maybe these severe measles outbreaks wouldn't be happening. We would have had a bloc of five Justices who wouldn't be trying to turn our country back to the 19th century (with only one right-wing Justice over the age of 65) to the point that minimum wage and overtime, worker safety laws, child labor laws, civil rights, and voting rights wouldn't be in danger for the next 30-40 years. Even President Cruz or President Pence wouldn't have the chance to do more than a like-for-like switch on the Supreme Court, so they couldn't do their damage. And I heard the "No Republican for a generation" after Bush, and that didn't work. No party has won more than three consecutive terms since the 22nd Amendment, so I won't hold my breath. Instead, we have someone in office who we have to legitimately worry might not leave if he is defeated in 2020. But, yes, Hillary wouldn't have given you everything you want, so instead you decided to pout and throw everything away for a generation as though it would suddenly have this great awakening. I heard that argument about 2000/2004, and how did that work out? What makes you think that this time will be any different?
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  3437.  @reav3rtm  Catch and Release is a strategy perfected by Tom DeLay. It involves letting members appear to not go along fully with his agenda, while making sure that everything gets passed. As Barney Frank put it in 2005, "There are no moderate Republicans in Congress. They say that they only vote with the President 70% of the time, but they vote with him 100% of the time when he needs their votes." So, given that strategy, and the fact that if the sponsor list is remotely accurate, Pelosi could easily allow people in lefty districts to vote for Medicare for All in order to weaken a primary challenger, only to see that member "change his/her mind" and vote No if there was ever a realistic chance if the bill passing. It's why Republicans could vote over and over to repeal the ACA, but it didn't pass when they had unified control of government. Therefore, Force the Vote doesn't "expose" anyone. It protects the worst actors, because they can pretend to support it in a cost-free vote. Yes, Jimmy Dore cares about Medicare for All. So much so that he supported a candidate in 2020 who called it un-American in an interview with Anderson Cooper. My plan is to do the actual grassroots organizing. If your member isn't a sponsor, you knock on doors, sign petitions, and make calls. If that member still won't sign on, you primary him/her. If your member is on the list, go to a neighboring district and help others doing the same thing. Then, once you get to 218 & 50, you put the pressure on every sponsor to make sure that he/she is a Hard Yes by pushing for a discharge petition if the Speaker and Majority Leader won't schedule a vote. What have you actually done to get Medicare for All?
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  3608.  @sherlyn.a  My dear God! What is with the people who cannot tell the difference between "lose" and "loose"? The former is the opposite of win, and the latter is the opposite of tight. Oh, poor Jeff Bezos lost half of his money because he got divorced. Cry me a river. No one forced him to cheat on his wife. And, no one is going to make a million dollars and spend 80% in cash to buy a house. And Gates wouldn't have to give up shares to the government. He could, but he wouldn't have to. Let's just say that the strictest wealth tax proposal went through, the one that Bernie proposed. He is married, so he would pay 1% on assets over $32MM, 2% on assets over $50MM, 3% over $250MM, 4% over $500MM, 5% over $1B, 6% over $2.5B, 7% over $5B, and 8% over $10B. Since marginal rates only apply to the level above the bracket, this means $180,000 for the first bracket, $4MM for the 2% bracket, $7.5MM for the 3% bracket, $20MM for the 4% bracket, $75MM for the 5% bracket, $150MM for the 6% bracket, $350MM for the 7% bracket, and (assuming a total fortune of $100B even to make the math round for demonstration purposes), $7.2B for the top bracket, for a total tax of a little bit over $7.8B. Here's a secret: this tax wouldn't even get to the average for stock market growth since 1929, so he would still get to keep his obscene fortune that was gained through underpaying workers, stealing ideas from competitors, and using basic government research to get started, not to mention government infrastructure to move his products, a military that insures that we won't be invaded, and a relatively steady economy so that he could build. Anyone who claims to be self-made is someone who thinks he/she is floating through the air without seeing the building he/she is standing on.
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  3788.  @jordanwirth3738  I think I can answer that question (although, if anyone you know had a pre-existing condition and can now get it, or anyone between the ages of 22 and 26 who were able to stay on their parents' plans, or women with gynecological issues, they benefited even if they didn't see it). Basically, there are four ways to get to universal or near universal coverage. Going from left to right, they are nationalization (think the NHS or the VA), single payer (think Canada or Medicare), managed competition/public option (Hillarycare in the 90s and the early drafts of the ACA), and universal mandate (what the ACA became). The full name of what many call Obamacare is The Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act of 2010. Something Sam Seder said that I think was very accurate about it was that it was undersold on the patient protection part and oversold on affordability, which is partly why many people tend to think of the ACA as only the exchanges. However, its ultimate shortcoming is that it was designed with the assumption that people can just be "smart shoppers" when it comes to health care, so market forces really can't do as much to lower prices. After all, nobody will know what emergencies will befall you over the next year. Since you can't really say no to treating a heart attack, market forces of competition don't lower prices. The market incentive for private insurance is to deny care, because that is cutting costs. The market incentive under a single payer or nationalized plan ends up spreading the risk over everyone and gives incentive to ask for lower prices, like a massive bulk discount. That's why it is a more efficient approach than the ACA. Republicans haven't been able to come up with an alternative to the ACA in ten years of yelling "repeal and replace" because a) what became the ACA was imagined as their alternative to Hillarycare, and b) there's nowhere they can go to the right of the ACA and still offer anything remotely near universal coverage. This is why their repeal attempt in 2017 would have resulted in 24-32MM people losing their health insurance according to the CBO.
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  4014.  @anonymouszebra1239  You are so right. I think that another thing that hurts us is that too many people have given up on labor and class issues after the ascendancy of Bill Clinton. People tend to forget this, but from 1932-96, no state voted Democratic in Presidential elections more often than WV (14-3 [1956, 1972, 1984 being the exceptions]: Massachusetts and Minnesota tied for second with 13-4). If people want to blame racism, note that this is both before and after the Southern shift in the 1960s and '70s. However, I think that some talk of white privilege is alienating, because if you tell a poor person in Appalachia that he/she is inherently advantaged, that person will say, "If this is privilege, what is hardship?" I am not saying who has it harder, but when you talk privilege to people who are suffering, that only leads to resentment. And, because of the focus on cultural issues, some want to give up on rural voters altogether. I was at an election night party at the union hall in November, and someone asked me why I thought we started losing in places like WV, and how to get them back. I laid out my theory of full-throttled left-wing (or real) populism, and someone was offended, insisting that these were racists who were irredeemable. Well, white conservatives talk down to black liberals and wonder why they won't vote Republican, so why would rural white people. That's also why I never, ever give thumbs up to anyone who talks about inbreeding when badmouthing Trump voters. When we figure out who the real enemy is, and we help rural America understand who we are fighting, they will come running back.
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  4085.  @GormTheElder  What is your evidence that a majority supports Medicare for All? Do not say polls, because even if people agree with you on an issue, it doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't affect how people vote. In 2016, Colorado had a ballot initiative for Medicare for All. It got 21%. In 2020, Biden said that he wouldn't sigh Medicare for All during the beginning of the pandemic (since the Force the Vote people love to use that as a talking point) and his polling numbers in the primary didn't move, so it doesn't sound like a vote over a year out is going to have the desired effect if the sponsor list more or less is accurate and defeat over 100 incumbents. The poll that the Force the Vote people love to point out to insist that all they need is the vote to garner public support shows some much more discouraging things below the headline question. A majority think that Medicare for All will allow people to keep their private insurance (and a higher percentage of supporters think that), and support drops below 50% when asked if they support a single payer system. I have done the actual organizing work, and I have heard similar responses several times. So, you have to do the actual work to make sure that support is not really for a public option and that it will actually move people at the ballot box. No, this is not a video game, but that applies in ways that help my argument rather than yours, because it requires that people to get off their butts and do the actual work. And given that all of the talk is about going after members of the party where a majority in the House have sponsored the bill and none of it is targeting the party where literally zero members support it, that tells me that there is no strategic thought at all to this plan. Organizing isn't about instant gratification or a willy waving contest. It is about going to your neighbors and making your representation know what you want.
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  4873.  @lucaswilliams8572  Okay, I have tried to explain the objection, but you keep responding with "nuh uh!" and just repeating the same thing over and over again without even bothering to address the issue that I and others have had with his proposal. I will lay it out one more time. I will make it as simple as I possibly can. If you still don't understand what I am saying after this, you are either a bot, someone who cannot internalize any objection to this proposal because you are brainwashed, or you have reading comprehension problems. Here is why people on current disability programs that he does not allow to stack are harmed by his proposal: 1) People who are disabled already get more than $1000/month in most cases. 2) Those people will not get any more money. 3) Even those who do get more money will not get the full $1000, because they will have to give up their existing benefits. 4) Those people will still have to pay taxes to fund this program that they don't get. Therefore, they will have to stretch their dollars farther. So, they have a net loss in after-tax dollars. 5) Even if that loss is mitigated, that still doesn't help people whose rent will go up when Yang said "use your UBI to absorb the blow, because rent control is a local issue." 6) As "Inequality for All" demonstrated, if the absolute dollars are the same, but the rings above you get farther apart, it is more difficult to climb the economic ladder. So, if you just go back to your talking points without substantively addressing those issues, I am done, because there is nothing left to say.
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  5033.  @TysonHook-22-  And apparently, you aren't familiar with the legislative strategy of Catch and Release. As far as legislators are concerned, the final vote total doesn't matter at all. In fact, Tom DeLay was the one to figure out that you can get more of what you want and you can provide cover for frontline members if pretty much every bill barely passes. Ever notice that Murkowski and Collins almost never opposed the same judicial nominees in the Trump years? That is not a coincidence. What honestly makes you think that someone from a lefty district won't vote Yes just to neutralize a primary challenge knowing that it will never pass? It's no coincidence that the very people pushing Force the Vote suddenly turned on a candidate who was a major advocate for Medicare for All against a corporate opponent in a special election months after the whole FTV nonsense. And speaking of the grassroots power of FTV, an advocate was going on and on about how there was going to be this big march in Washington to demand that the vote be forced. I never saw anything about it on TV, so I asked this person a month or two after the fact how many showed up. The answer? Fifty. For a "national march." Philly DSA got more than that every single month for eight months leading up to the primaries for actual grassroots organizing. And someone else made this big deal out of the M4M4A, and all of the grassroots support it had. I was actually on the e-mail lists of two of the organizations that were "sponsors," so it tells me that either a) the organizers were lying, or b) they just asked them to sign off on the march and never did any actual follow up.
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  5539.  @darrenfaber2334  There are 125 programs that people have to forfeit if they take his money. However, Yang only ever bothers to specifically list a few (TANF, SNAP, WIC, LIHEAP, housing subsidies, daycare subsidies). And, yes, people have to give something up. Yang has made it very clear that you can't get both. And "a full-time job"? Here in PA, daycare for multiple children is over $1500/month. Do you really think that applying for that is "practically a full-time job"? At a certain point, you Yang Gang bangers keep resorting to try to using words in a different way in order to try to make it sound better than it is. Because we don't know what the programs are that are either/or In the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend, there are a lot of people who might end up worse or surprised to find out that they have to choose at all. And there is also the question of how long taking the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend disqualifies someone from other benefits. You might think that you're in a place where you are better off taking the thousand, but, boom, you are expecting twins or triplets. Now, the funding model changes dramatically. Or, you might find out that the EITC is no longer available. Or maybe you went to grad school in a field that doesn't pay very well, but is vital, and you have to choose between the Student Loan Forgiveness Program and this money. And if you keep your current benefits, how long does that mean that you can't take the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend?
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  5987.  @cmack17  1) Oh, okay. So, you're a jerk who wants to nitpick and then get mad when someone acknowledges making an error. Got it. 2) Once again, none of those people were in office. She helped them get into office. If you can't understand this basic concept, no wonder why you think Force the Vote will get results. 3) Then, why did you ask basically the inverse of it to me? 4) If your representative "claims to support M4A," what about your Senators? What about friends or family who live in states/districts of those who don't support the bill? Re: "no need to 'follow up,'" I'd hate to see you if you were in a movement that literally took years or decades to come to fruition. 5) So, it's terrible because you say it's terrible? Got it. 6) What a shock. You don't understand the basic reason why your proposed strategy won't work. I can give an example of someone your boy Jimmy Dore saw as a hero to the point that she won his endorsement in 2020. Tulsi Gabbard claimed to support Medicare for All and supported Bernie Sanders in 2016. Both conveniently cut off the oxygen from primary challenges to her left. However, once she started running for President and had to answer questions about specifics, not only did she not support it, but she called one of its key provisions "un-American" in an interview with Anderson Cooper. Twice. Jimmy Dore saw this as "a smart strategy" at the time. 7-8) When all you've done to try to move the needle for Medicare for All is make one phone call to your representatives, you have no room to talk about inaction. The abolition of slavery in the UK took over 50 years. So did women's suffrage, and one of its most important supporters, Susan B. Anthony, died 14 years before it was won. Would you have said these people were wasting their time?
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  6060.  thesparitan  There are lots of things that racists will use as an excuse to do racist things. White people being less than 50% of the US population (ignoring the fact that lots of people who are considered white now weren't in our past, that there are already light-skinned Hispanics who are identifying as white, that even according to the US Census Hispanic is not a race but an ethnicity), and since White is a social construct anyway, that there is a real possibility that by that point Hispanic people may very well be considered white, so there is no need to get the vapors about such possibility. I see it as not positive or negative, but something that may very well be. As to his second point, there are some who exploit economic anxiety, but the instigators and the leaders of extremist groups are rarely poor. So, I would say that the answer to the second question is mixed. As far as the context question, let's just say that, for the sake of argument, that he didn't know that anxiety over minority majority status is a common dog whistle among white supremacists (i.e., "Jews will not replace us" chants in Charlottesville), and it really was an innocent comment, do you really think that mentioning it as a follow up to expression of sympathy after a hate crime is really the best time? To me, the most charitable explanation is that he's as tone deaf as Yoko Ono. As far as "I could have resolved this sooner," if you hadn't seen the link or it didn't work for you, you could have simply told me that you couldn't see the link. Defending someone on semantics when you don't know the quote is the height of intellectual dishonesty. I don't go into discussions trying to defend or attack people, I go in trying to get answers, and while you might not have agreed with my interpretation, at least I was honest enough to examine the evidence rather than blindly defend someone.
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  6540.  @kurtzFPV  For the first decade of this century, HR 676 (the predecessor to the current bill written by Bernie in the Senate and Jayapal in the House which was written by Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers) never had more than 70 or 80 sponsors. The current version has 117. Failed votes aren't going to change that fact, except either to make it worse because the Soft Yes will be alienated. Colorado tried to get it statewide through a ballot initiative because of the polls that showed that it was popular. It got 21%. Polls show that a majority of people who talk about Medicare for All are really talking about a public option. I dealt with several people in petition drives who were obsessed with the idea of "not taking away people's health care" or "denying choice" (which is part of the reason why I think "support reproductive rights" is a better slogan than "pro-choice"). You don't see the votes come about a second time because health care legislation is by definition a lengthy process, and failing is going to lead a lot of time lost, and that is why it doesn't come back. It's not as simple as having a vote. Yes, Bernie showed that he could raise a lot of money, but the level of spending for a general election is completely different than a primary. Bernie raised hundreds of millions, but the general cost billions. I am all for putting more attention on state and local raises (as someone who raised all of $3400 in my campaign compared to my opponent's $20,000). However, that is clearly a long-term strategy to get things passed, and Force the Vote is a short-term strategy. A long term solution is what we need, because ignoring the mountain that we face is just going to leave people discouraged and reluctant to try again when it does fail.
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  6578.  @LarryKach  Warren has terrible political instincts. She didn't run at a time when she could have easily won the nomination and probably the election because she was actually a more popular figure at the time rather than someone who had been eclipsed. Then, instead of using them as a cautionary tale of what not to do, she followed the advice of the people who lost the last time. Then, when her campaign was sinking, she made up a ridiculous story that the person who begged her to run in 2016 told her that a woman couldn't win. Then, her tendency to exaggerate or lie reared its ugly head when she changed being the only candidate to beat an incumbent in 25 years to 30, and when that "loser" accurately noted that he had done just that within the last 30 years, the candidate who was supposed to be about plans and having a solid head for math and economics suddenly tried in an embarrassing way to do 2020-30=1990 in her head on live TV. That's not to start going into her attempts to go just this side of Rachel Dolezal to make up ridiculous stories about her Native American ancestry and her father's profession to the point where her brothers angrily defended their father and people found evidence of her trying to use her exaggerated heritage to advance her legal career or lying about getting fired for being pregnant (she didn't have credentials and was given a temporary job and never finished getting her qualifications in order for a permanent job), she had a veil of phoniness that would have doomed her. And, yes, a lot of people will talk about how we have some Native ancestry, but most of us know better than to check a box claiming a race that we have no cultural ties to and take a DNA test to prove it (unaware of just how sensitive the topic of blood quantum is among the actual people, and thus never enough to prove her ancestry to the people who questioned it), plagiarize a recipe from The New York Times for a book called Pow-wow Chow, or let our boss call us the first person of color hired in order to help that department avoid making a diversity hire. She would have never survived the gauntlet because she didn't have the mettle.
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  6920.  @ubuu7  TANF is decided at the state level, as are the levels for daycare subsidies, but a lot of the funding comes from the federal government. And, perhaps you forgot about the ruling that allowed the ACA to survive, but it gave states the right to set their own benefit levels for programs like TANF and SNAP, among other things. So, Yang could say, "pretty please adjust your benefits to compensate for the VAT" all he wants, but they don't have to. And given the fact that TANF is one of the few programs that Yang has mentioned by name, and TANF is awarded on the basis of having children, so if someone is getting something from the list of 125 programs (which I guarantee has to be pretty expansive and affect a lot of people in order to get the count that high), the household probably isn't getting anything either. Apparently, you don't seem to understand the point that I was making. It was not that everyone wants to keep what they have, but there are plenty of examples now of the benefits being over $1000/month now just based on the programs mentioned. Since you want to talk high rent, those areas have housing subsidies that are worth way more than $1000. So much for saving to move out! But the point was that there is no reason to use a regressive tax to pay for it other than ideology. You could avoid all of these issues by using a progressive tax to pay for it, and not forcing the poor to choose. The rich get to keep their welfare, so why do the poor have to give up theirs in order to get this "right of citizenship," unless Yang sees them as second class citizens to begin with?
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  7257.  @sergeikhripun  Oh, okay. I'm not dealing with a liar, I'm dealing with an idiot. I guess the object of your admiration meant that one went without saying as far as the latter. If you want me to answer your question, I just want to figure out if I am dealing with someone who is dishonest, someone who is your garden variety stupid, or someone who is genuinely cognitively limited. Show me where you find someone else, anyone else, using your definition of supermajority? Since you claim that you are using "the political definition" and I am using "the dictionary definition," are you not aware that the reason why the term supermajority exists is because some things cannot pass with a simple majority, and there needed to be a distinction so that people understand why things fail with a majority? And I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but did you not notice that for all this talk from Angry Leader that the vote was planned to fail in the first place? Did you not notice that Biden's numbers didn't move when he said that he wouldn't sign Medicare for All in the primary? Apparently, you missed that the people of Colorado had a referendum for Medicare for All a few years ago and it only got 21% of the vote. You probably also didn't read below the actual top line of the poll and find out that a majority wrongly think that Medicare for All allows competing private insurance. Thank people like Jimmy's object of affection Tulsi Gabbard who insisted that she supported Medicare for All while saying that the thing that actually made it work is "un-American." You probably haven't done the actual organizing work and talked to people who said that they liked Medicare for All while angrily insisting that you can't "take away people's choice for insurance." I have actually done the work, and because of me and others like me, Brendan Boyle is a sponsor of the bill. You also missed the point where I said that the Democratic Party is not an ideological party in the way the GOP is. It is a coalition. Party control is irrelevant to the question of Medicare for All having a chance of passage given that only half of the Democrats in the House and a quarter of Democrats in the Senate sponsor the bill. You know what percentage of Congressional Republicans support Medicare for All? Zero. So, what have you personally done to build support for Medicare for All?
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  7265.  @NoWay1969  He said that the current programs are bad, and the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend will make it less likely for people to get caught in the system. However, this shows a total misunderstanding of how these programs work. The vast majority are off within two years. You will never eliminate the need for the existing social safety net, because there will always be disability and frictional unemployment and poverty. And Yang envisions a future with 1/3 of the population unemployed. His freedom with 125 strings attached dividend is already below the poverty level now, and I can think of several situations where it pays out well over $1000: 1) Single parent with two kids who gets SSI and SNAP gets over $1300/month. 2) TANF in New Hampshire is over $1000/month. 3) Housing subsidies. 4) Daycare subsidies with multiple children in daycare. With nothing else to fall back on because those programs have been eliminated or for fear of losing what they currently get, his proposal would increase poverty if his worst-case scenario comes true, and create a permanent underclass. And he won't provide a list of the 125 programs that people have to forfeit if they take his money, so we don't know if unemployment is one of them. We also don't know how long taking his money will keep someone locked out of the existing social safety net. Unemployment has a cap, but it pays about 60% of income. So, if someone is making $39K/year and takes the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend, that person would be giving up biweekly unemployment of $900. I hope that person has his/her house paid off, because Yang is opposed to actually doing anything about affordable housing.
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  7266.  @NoWay1969  How do we know it doesn't include unemployment if he won't provide the list? Mother Jones asked for it back in April, his spokeswoman implied that he didn't have a final list (even though he had a count long before then) and they promised to update the story if he did, and it hasn't been updated yet. I have heard people say both. Because of his opacity, I don't have trust that it won't be. And you seem not to understand how it works. There are a lot of situational things, and not only do those people not get benefits while everyone else around them does, thus exacerbating inequality (and wages have kept up with inflation over the last 40 years, so that shows why just staying the same isn't sufficient when the rungs get farther apart on the economic ladder), but they now have to pay a VAT because Yang refuses to even try to address wealth and income inequality. So, in both an absolute and relative way, they are worse off than before. And the Yang Gang bangers seem not to understand that there is often more than one program that people will qualify for, which is why it is dishonest to only mention one program to try to pretend that it is better. Yes, it makes things a lot worse. If we only have the $1000/month, that won't be enough, and that is why it will be a permanent underclass. I keep hearing that we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, but a program that hurts the most vulnerable in society and lets the rich keep every single tax loophole is not a good, it is a bad, if not an evil. And Bernie proposed things that are far better. His was similar to what Richard Wolff proposed of, instead of letting the monopolies and big corporations get most of the benefits, use the benefits of technology to force increased wages and decreased hours to increase quality of life and make room for more people to work. You can scoff at that idea if you'd like, but why do you think we have overtime laws?
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  7275.  @NoWay1969  You still don't understand how progressive and regressive taxes work, and why a VAT is regressive even with the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend fits. So, I will explain one final time, and use the example that you gave. The person who you mentioned making $24,000/year and getting an extra 12 will still probably spend it all or close to it. That means an extra $3272 in taxes, or 13.63% of income in taxes. If you say, "Yes, but that person got a third of their income," the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend is not treated as a tax rebate. If it were, it would not affect existing programs, which again shows that he doesn't understand how the machinery of policy works. Someone who is rich doesn't spend all of their money. So, let's take your person making $240,000/year. That person will only spend about half of income, because they invest the rest. They won't spend that extra money except to offset the taxes. So, that person will pay taxes of $12,000, or 5% of income. 5 is a lot less than 13. That is the fundamental flaw in literally every single argument that tries to insist that a consumption tax can ever possibly be progressive: it forgets the fact that the rich have far different spending habits, because there are plenty of things that are needed, and those things are a much larger portion of income for the rest of us. You can give your hypotheticals all you want, but the fact that 45 states have overall regressive taxes and they rely more heavily on consumption than the federal government betrays your argument and proves mine. At a certain point, you can talk hypotheticals all you want, but I have actual proof of what happens when you tax consumption rather than income or wealth.
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  7283.  @NoWay1969  "All we can do is repeat what the stated policies are." And this is the irony of someone who supports someone whose slogan is Make America Think Again saying to just trust him at his word and not actually look at the implications, whether or not someone actually has the authority to do something that he/she says, or whether or not it is contradictory with other things that are said. You said that you trust him, despite the fact that he has said several contradictory things about his proposals, especially between right-wing and left-wing audiences. And if you can't understand that making someone forfeit current benefits in order to get his money is a string attached, then you either have an understanding of it that no one else does, being intentionally dishonest, or being willfully ignorant. I don't know which, and at this point, quite frankly, I don't care. Now, let's look at your proposal for just how easy it would be to give someone an EBT card to cover the VAT. Well, benefit levels for most programs are determined at the state level, and the Supreme Court has already said that the federal government can't force them to change benefit levels, so that's out. So, it would clearly have to be done at the federal level. So, the federal government would have to start keeping records of how many benefits people get, and calculate the "rebate." Oh, and someone also has to keep track of who gets the other benefits in the first place. Far from getting rid of bureaucracy, this creates a new one. And you keep saying that the VAT is not regressive, when you have to add something else to try to not make it so. Do you know what would not be a regressive tax? Taxing capital gains to pay for it, because poor are less likely to own stock. Or, you could have a tax on income above a certain level. See, if you use an actual progressive tax, you don't have to use the benefit to insist that the tax is not regressive. Finally, at another point, you said that $24,000/year was poor. I don't think you realize just how much you undercut your own arguments. If that is poor, then half that is clearly insufficient. If that is the case, then making people give up what they have in order to get that money is clearly wrong.
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  7422.  @davidvenegas6401  Did I say "put kids in cages"? No, I did not. I said kidnapping children. As many faults as Obama had, kidnapping children is not one of them. He didn't order children separated from their families without keeping track of the parents, then send the children thousands of miles away. If you think that is the same as "putting kids in cages," then I don't know what to tell you. And you are missing my point completely. For one, usually when I hear the word "shaming," it tends to be whining about someone saying something critical, as though someone can ignore the consequences of their actions. If you live in a swing state and don't want to vote for Biden, have at it. However, those of us who live in a swing state do not have that luxury. Like it or not, Joe Biden or Donald Trump will be President at noon on January 20. And one thing I noticed that you didn't address at all was the Supreme Court. Four of the five members of the conservative bloc are there because they were appointed by Republican Presidents who most Americans rejected in favor of another candidate who snuck in via the Electoral College at least in part because people insisted that there was no difference between the major-party nominees and wanted to "teach the Democratic Party a lesson and force them to pick a lefty the next time." (Admittedly, this played a much more obvious role in 2000 than 2016, where there was some ambiguity over whether or not that was enough.) One of the Justices on the liberal bloc is 87 and has had multiple bouts of cancer. Another turns 82 in August. If Trump gets to name the replacement for one or both of them, we may very well see labor unions abolished. (Even before Kavanaugh, they cited a decision that was overturned that struck down child labor laws. This would be like using Plessy v. Ferguson to decide a civil rights case.) Even before this round of right-wing Justices, the Voting Rights Act was gutted. If you want to ignore the consequences of those things, I will not aide and abet your guilty conscience. And unless a plane carrying Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh crashes while a Democratic President and Senate are in office. This election is not about the next four years. It is about whether any good things can be accomplished in forty years. I actually went out and did the work to try to help Bernie win the nomination. I knocked on thousands of doors, did a reading at a fundraiser, made dozens of calls, and served as a captain on a petition drive. What did you do? Did you do the work, or did you sit on the sidelines and complain?
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  7730.  @DemonDante1000  Re: what the American people want, how many Americans have you actually talked to to try to organize to get the world that you claim to want? I'm guessing my number is higher than yours. In some of those conversations, I was working with the DSA to help Bernie and to build support for Medicare for All to pressure members of Congress in the Philadelphia area to sign on to Bernie's bill. In several conversations, I noticed that there were a lot of people who actually wanted a public option when mentioning Medicare for All. The Kaiser Family Foundation poll showed that a majority who supported Medicare for All were vaguely talking about universal coverage. (This was no doubt helped along with grifters like Yang calling his proposal Medicare for All when it wasn't even a public option, and Buttigeig with Medicare for All Who Want It.) So, when the needle didn't move despite Biden saying he wouldn't sign Medicare for All, once I was removed enough from the bubble of a campaign, I realized that was because those numbers didn't mean what we thought we did. So, to apply this to your argument, if Americans really wanted a third party, we'd have one, but the fact that none has gotten 5% since Perot, only one third party or third-party candidate has gotten 5% or more in successive elections (Perot, although the Socialists just missed that in 1916 after getting 6% in 1912), and every third party that has gotten 5% has gotten far less votes the second time around says that maybe, just maybe, Americans don't want a third party long term, especially if one or both of the major parties will adopt their proposals if they actually prove to be popular enough.
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  7759. ​ @hydratanksamari  I don't know if the OP is being sincere or trolling, but expanding the child tax credit helps pay bills, but we need construction (including public housing) so people can actually buy a house, and we need to do things that our capitalist system will not crack down on when it comes to who can buy a home. In order to get a home loan, banks tend to say that you can't borrow if the house to income ratio is greater than 4:1. In 1950, the median house was less than twice the median income. Today, that ratio is closer to 8. And it's harder to save because rent is so high, so the down payment is that much lower, which means that mortgage payments are higher and people have to pay mortgage insurance. If you can somehow manage to overcome all this and still find a house, shell purchasers will offer to pay above the asking price and in cash, so good luck competing with that. Then, the shell purchasers turn around and put a For Rent sign up, and because way too many people who should be in the housing market are forced into the rental market, prices go sky high, meaning that you can't save, and the cycle gets worse and worse. Housing is in a death spiral at this point, and everyone except for renters benefits from higher prices (landlords get to charge higher rent, sellers get more money, real estate gets its cut, local governments get more revenue from property taxes, which means schools are better, and homeowners get to show off how rich they are), so there is no market incentive to address the problem.
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  7965.  @Xianfaquanli  Ah, yes. The old right-wing talking point about how you don't oppose increasing wages for workers because you are anti-worker, but because you are really pro-worker and don't want to see workers lose jobs. Well, besides the fact that it is phased in over several years (Bernie's plan is four, the House bill that passed was seven), and the states and municipalities that increased it to $15 did not see an increase in unemployment or inflation relative to the surrounding areas that didn't do it, what opposing increasing the minimum wage wage really tells me is that a lot of people who claim to care about working people are just fine with poverty and starvation wages. And I think you missed my entire point. First of all, I don't care if they get one book at all, that is a tax that still harms them. Second, there are plenty of things that people do buy that may very well be considered a "luxury" under this definition that they will pay. Third, if he had made his proposal both/and and actually wanted to use a progressive tax to pay for it instead of continuing his streak as the I Give Up candidate, then there would be no chance of imagining a scenario where his plan hurts the poor and disabled. Finally, in your "not hurting them," you are forgetting how inequality works. The complaint about wages isn't that they have gone down, but that they have stagnated relative to inflation, and as the rungs get farther apart on the economic ladder, that harms the people at the bottom, so if everyone gets benefits but them (and the ones who currently get benefits that are less than $1000/month don't get the full benefit because they have to give up what they currently get in order to get his money), they will suffer and income inequality will get worse. Great plan!
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  8203.  @bluesrockfan36  "We progressives" don't support regressive taxation and a version of the UBI that was descended from Milton Friedman and Charles Murray that was designed to get rid of the existing social safety net. The difference between the two is that they wanted to get rid of it right away, which made it more obvious what they were doing, but Yang wants to do it gradually. Yes specifically told Dave Rubin that this was his ultimate goal. He told Ben Shapiro that he wouldn't increase it because "the magic of a thousand bucks a month is that it is below the poverty level for one person, which means that people have to work if they want any life of meaning" (emphasis added). Now, just like the other people who think they have crunched the numbers, you are forgetting one thing: a lot of poor and disabled people won't get jack squat. Here are some examples, based on the six programs of the 125 that Yang has mentioned that will force people to give up in order to get his money: 1) TANF in New Hampshire is over $1000 2) TANF in Alaska is $923 (and they don't forfeit their oil reserve fund, either), and it is over $700 in New York and California. Once you add SNAP, they are over $1000. And those families are probably also getting LIHEAP. 3) Daycare for two children in PA is over $1500/month, and those families will almost certainly get WIC. 4) Housing subsidies is well over $1000 in high rent areas. So, you want some poor single parent who is working to get nothing and then have to pay a VAT? That is the lefty objection to the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend. It doesn't help poor people, it hurts them. You think that techno-libertarian is a dog whistle? You're funny. It refers to a lot of Silicon Valley types who like to present themselves as lefties, but when you dig into their politics and their business practices, they are as libertarian as they come. So, what did you think I meant?
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  8590.  @fattonyd232  First of all, the point about the mystery producer is that the only credited producer on his show is his wife. So, either he made up a producer the way teenage boys make up girls they met from out of state over the summer (which is dishonorable because it is making a false scapegoat and having no accountability) or it means that someone isn't getting paid for his/her contributions to the show, which is hardly the lefty thing to do. Why is Sam so mad at Jimmy Dore? Because he regularly pushes lies and false conspiracy theories, and what few lefties who actually still watch his show get steered in unproductive directions that help the right. Jimmy Dore is so far to the left that he wanted Democrats to take the deal McConnell offered in the fall for stimulus money in exchange for forcing people back to work and not allowing them to sue if they get sick because their employers refused to sanitize their work environment. He is so far to the left that he continued to support a candidate who called Medicare for All un-American in the 2020 Presidential primary. He so far to the left that he mostly kept his mouth shut about Trump for four years. He is so far to the left that he thought it would be no big deal if Trump got three Supreme Court appointments. He is so far to the left that he tries to convince people that literal fascists like Tucker Carlson and the Proud Boys are good people. With friends like him, who needs enemies? And that is just his ideological heresies, not even a deeper dive into his stupidity.
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  8652.  @baph0met  1) If you aren't opposed to regulation, what makes competition "unrestricted"? What crosses the line? 2) Even Milton Friedman said that natural monopolies needed to be heavily regulated. Utilities are an example of a natural monopoly (in fact, it's usually the textbook example). Do you really think "they don't last long"? Based on what? 3) Do you know why "segregated hotels are rare nowadays"? Because the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made them illegal. I could say the same about gas stations. When I visited my cousin in North Dakota a while back, she warned me to fill up when my gas tank was half full because there were stretches where you could easily go 50-100 miles between exits. I'd hate to imagine how many people would be stranded if gas station owners were still allowed to segregate. "You can always sleep in your car or on a bench." And there it is. That famous libertarian empathy that we have heard so much about. Because why let the evil government force some poor hotel owner to integrate a hotel like it did in 1964 (and ignore the fact that it took government law to end the practice of hotel segregation) when people can just sleep on a bench? And are you really thinking that a business surrounded by enough local people who would boycott if they integrated would worry about losing the business from someone they'd possibly never see again? And the fact that you seem to think segregated buses is a selling point shows just how far you are removed from reality and being "the only ideology that acknowledges human nature"? And before you say that I am "cherry picking," I'm not the one envisioning a future of segregated bus lines as the answer to bigotry.
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