Comments by "wvu05" (@wvu05) on "Bernie Sanders" channel.

  1. There used to be private firefighters. We got rid of them for a reason.
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  2. Darn right! The corporate powers that be are hoping you give up, because there are more of us than there are of them; we have the vote and the ability to organize.
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  3. Proud to have been responsible for four of those. Onward and upward!
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  4.  @lohphat  Before Bernie started winning elections, Vermont was the most Republican state in American history. When he first got elected to Congress, only one Democrat had ever carried the state's electoral votes in one election (1964) in fifty tries. You'll never see a streak like that again. To this day, only two people have ever been elected to the Senate as Democrats in Vermont. He helped lead Vermont away from conservatism, and he was far more of a team player after losing in 2016 than any Presidential candidate in history. If Hillary tried as hard to elect herself as Bernie did, we may have suffocated fascism in the crib instead of letting it fester.
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  5. We have defeated the fascist, but we must continue to fight fascism and its enablers. If you want anything done, we have to help Warnock and Ossoff over the line in Georgia to give Bernie the gavel.
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  6. As an alumnus and former member of TUGSA, the administration thought that we were really stupid. Around 2009-10, the adjuncts were trying to organize, and they sent these e-mails saying, "If you are a union worker, you have to take the pay scale, but if you're independent, you're free to ask for more," as if the adjuncts weren't already on a scale. They want to get rid of tenured professors and turn everyone into low-income adjuncts. The administration is the living embodiment of "knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing." Thank you for bringing this to light, Bernie!
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  7. @ThreeFingerG  "the ingenious ways it is possible to yield money" Bootlickers are just sad. You are hanging on a turn of phrase because I didn't feel like pointing out the "clever" ways that they make sure that all the money goes to themselves and very little to those without whom they'd have nothing. As Abraham Lincoln reminded us, capital is the fruit of labor, it could not exist unless labor existed first, and it deserves the higher consideration. And this "ingenious wielding of wealth" is, in many cases, ways to say that the people who earned them the money get nothing or just enough over nothing to keep them desperate.
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  8.  @matthewviramontes3131  The guy who could barely control his anger when he got called out by Amy Klobuchar? The one who got angry when people pointed to his wine cave fundraiser?
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  9. Another OIF veteran for Bernie here.
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  10. Pennsylvania Bernie supporter who cast a vote for Biden two weeks ago. #ByeDon
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  11.  @laquishdanish3386  Campaign means different things. He knows he won't be the nominee, but if he gets to 25% of the delegate count, we can force a minority report, which the DNC won't want, so that will force them to negotiate.
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  12. Great work! Don't forget to knock on doors, make calls, and talk to your friends. We can do this!
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  13. ​ @ThreeFingerG  For the sake of argument, let's assume that you're right and billionaires really are hardworking people who put in all these hours. Never mind the fact that once you get rich enough, you bring in money so fast that it's nearly impossible to spend it all and depending on how your wealth is amassed, your kids get it all tax free, but do you really think that the average billionaire works thousands or millions of times harder than the average worker? The ones who have seen stagnant wages while productivity doubled. "Thank you, sir, may I have another?"
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  14.  @ThreeFingerG  So, you insist that you are the "liberty lover," but you think that you have the exclusive rights for the usage of a word used for people who kiss up to the boss? Self-awareness isn't your strong suit, is it? Re: whose onus it is, funny that every time workers try to do just that, the "liberty crowd" uses the power of government to intervene against us. The only "freedom" you value is the value of the rich to lord it over the poor.
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  15. Indeed. I ran for a seat in the WV House of Delegates 15 years ago, and once I got to the Republican strongholds in the county, I kept hearing complaints about regulation. After this happened a few times, I started asking which regulations were excessive. In the end, only one person gave an answer, and while it was a reasonable answer (too much red tape to get a billboard approved), most of the time it was just vague anti-government nonsense.
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  16.  @publicutility  So, income taxes, direct election of Senators, women's suffrage mean nothing to you? He was at the forefront of each of those efforts.
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  17.  @chadfren  Says the man with a flag of treason on his profile pic.
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  18.  @robinlillian9471  Maybe if she didn't do bad things, we wouldn't criticize her for doing them.
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  19. Darn right! I want my four-year-old daughter to have a bright future and a habitable world.
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  20.  @arod6789  So, the people have to pay for education, but the rich get to keep all of their tax loopholes and corporate welfare? "I love the poorly educated!" Donald Trump
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  21. His includes every single American.
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  22. When Pete Buttigieg was in college, he thought it was ridiculous that students would fight for fair wages for janitors. When Bernie was in college, he fought for civil rights. Do the right thing, Iowa!
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  23.  Lord Shazam  It's Republicans who gutted the VA.
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  24. @hadguy1  He didn't become a millionaire until he was 75 and his book became a bestseller. Hardly an example of someone exploiting others.
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  25. @Ozan edwards *since 1962
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  26. Remember when Katie Porter got out a budget for how much it costs to live in Irvine, CA, and asked how he expected someone to live on that, and he couldn't come up with the obvious answer of "pay them better"? He can afford it. Does he really need that extra ivory backscratcher?
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  27. Well, you had Corbyn. Unfortunately, he gained the Leader seat before defeating the Blairites who then sabotaged him.
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  28.  @itsaaronlolz  Wonderful news! Some candidates have plans or wealthy benefactors, but Bernie has an army.
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  29. I think that quote about wealth and democracy is a Brandeis quote.
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  30. It's Bernie's party now :-)
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  31. [In Dr. Evil voice]: They're the Diet Coke of Bernie. Just one calorie. Not Bernie enough.
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  32.  @joemann7971  You mean the guy who wanted to use a regressive tax to pay for it and force people to choose between their current benefits and his plan, thus making it even more regressive? And Bernie does not favor UBI, he favored emergency payments for the duration of the virus. Richard Wolff put it best: UBI is a failure of imagination. If workers had control, they could use that technology to double their wages and cut their hours so they can enjoy more leisure time.
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  33.  Tony Mario  The people who are fine with tens of thousands of people dying every year for lack of money when we could just treat it as a public service and pay for it that way, like we do with education, police, and fire.
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  34. Does he also have some if your free time to convince others? We can do this!
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  35. 40 year old for Bernie.
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  36. It takes time to build a successful movement. Bernie turned out to be our Moses showing the way, but if we do the actual work, we'll get our Joshua.
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  37.  @JustMe-ec2ph  And that is why you're not Bernie. He isn't guided by ego, but by trying to make the world a better place.
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  38. The others are Diet Coke and New Coke. Vote Bernie: he's the real thing!
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  39.  Joe Curr  How much do you get paid every time you copy and paste?
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  40. It was even closer than that. If Trump had won Georgia (16), Arizona (11), and Wisconsin (10), Biden would be under 270. His combined margin in those three states? 44,000 votes. This is obscene.
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  41.  @miscaccount9438  One is a fascist. The other has a wing that is fine with the status quo and a wing that wants to make things better. Give me the latter any day of the week.
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  42.  @arod6789  And they have a far more generous social safety net than we do, but even if you don't want to compare to Nordic countries, the United States used to offer free tuition (UC system before Reagan, SUNY, CUNY, among others), so why can't we do it now? Because of this rampant anti-tax ideology.
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  43.  @undead9999  Don't feed the anti-Semitic troll. This poster put some vile stuff in another thread that I reported and will not repeat here.
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  44.  @plasmaplasmajohndoe5012  Is anyone taking away your right to speak in a public space? If you want to whine about the First Amendment, maybe take your hood off long enough to realize what it actually guarantees, and understand that it is the right of decent people everywhere to call someone out for spreading vile hatred.
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  45. Because their wealth was only made possible through unfair tax laws that they lobbied for and refusing to pay the people who made their wealth possible decent wages.
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  46. @Nuke 'EmAll What else would you rather he do with the leftover money?
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  47.  @whiskeymonk4085  Yeah, you're just trolling for Dear Leader. Well, the algorithm thanks you for your engagement, which brings more people to see the video.
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  48.  @suzettebavier4412  Darn right! His slogan was "Not Me, Us" for a reason. It is no coincidence that his political hero said, "I am not a leader of the labor movement or some sort of Moses. If I were able to lead you into the Promised Land, someone else could just as easily lead you out."
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  49.  @marvinstutzman432  If you don't vote, then you can't complain.
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  50.  @yoomsuu  These people aren't really Bernie supporters. They are trolls.
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  51. @Nuke 'EmAll The mere fact that you are saying that Bernie is using campaign funds to enrich his family which is illegal shows that you are lying and probably never gave a penny to Bernie, but coming here trying to sew chaos. Bye, troll.
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  52.  @kevinschmidt2210  Yes, because this is a dictatorship where one Senator can bend the entire country to his will. He does more for poor and working people in a day than his critics do in a year.
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  53.  @mistertgt3477  The guy with the health care proposal to the right of Pete Buttigieg isn't the answer... especially in a video about Medicare for All. #tact
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  54. The bots are strong today.
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  55. @D RBS The GM strike proved once and for all that there is no such thing as a good employer-based plan.
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  56. We need to work like mad to make sure that he gets to 1990 pledged delegates. If he does that, no one will have a chance to take it away.
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  57. The man who makes the Arby's sandwiches is, too.
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  58.  Sebastian Thor  No, Bernie hates buying weapons we don't need and going to wars we shouldn't.
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  59.  @hermank9647  Bernie was the lead writer of the coronavirus bill that cut child poverty in half. His amendment got the $600/week in supplemental unemployment last year that prevented 2020 from making the Great Depression look like a mild hiccup. It's like you're not even trying to make a decent argument based in reality.
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  60. Me, too. I spent too much time and too much energy fighting for Bernie and his message to give up now. I will vote for the nominee in November, but it is 100% because Iive in a swing state. If I still lived in West Virginia, Biden couldn't use my vote, so he wouldn't get it.
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  61.  @DevinSheaProductions  So, we decide not to fight back? Is that really your solution?
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  62. I've seen some of those ads. It is one of the most bizarre arguments I have ever heard. Do they honestly think that people are dumb enough to believe that the same companies that have been gouging them for decades are suddenly going to drop prices out of the goodness of their hearts?
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  63.  Trump 2020  So, Biden might give us very little of what we want, but Trump will make things worse. No thanks!
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  64. You also have Bernie's brother, Larry ;-)
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  65. My mom almost died when I was in fifth grade because we didn't have insurance at the time, and my brother had broken his arms three weeks before she found out that she would need to get her gall bladder removed. Eight months (and a bank loan) later, it had become gangrenous. This shouldn't happen to anyone!
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  66. Grover Norquist looks unrecognizable without his beard. He still has that smug, annoying, nasally voice, though.
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  67.  @GLORYNEVADASMITH  Maybe do something to actually get Bernie nominated. Make calls, knock on doors, talk to your friends, download the BERN app, make a donation. Find a local group that is working on the nomination. Maybe a local DSA chapter or a local Bernie group. Keep working and then work some more. Instead of obsessing over conspiracy theories, put some of that energy into getting him elected.
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  68. Which side are you on? Which side are you on?
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  69. And lift a hand to help him out.
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  70.  NoT rEaL SoCiAlIsMBeRnIe HaD A GOOd ReAsOn  Not true. The union negotiated their contract, and salaried workers did unauthorized overtime. How dare a campaign have its staff work 40 hour weeks so they can have leisure time!
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  71.  Spok  What part of what Bernie is proposing violates the Constitution, and what specific part of the Constitution does it violate?
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  72.  @miscaccount9438  And meanwhile, things get worse and worse and worse while you wait for the revolution. Wishing greater evil in order to get your way is the behavior of a psychopath.
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  73.  @arod6789  What does diversity have to do with anything?
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  74.  @Tr4cK17  Biden voted against the Bush and Trump tax cuts. Nice try, though.
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  75.  @MalevolentMonkeyGod  Responding to a "genuine economic grievance" by voting for someone who made the Bush tax cuts look like Robin Hood in comparison is not a good response. There are fascists (who are awful), and there are fascist enablers.
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  76.  @kevinschmidt2210  Oh, look. It's someone being edgy trying to spread cynicism who either doesn't know what fascism really is and is inadvertently helping it along, or someone who knows exactly what he is doing and is trying to discourage people on the left in order to help the fascists.
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  77.  @kevinschmidt2210  You are only giving out buzzwords, and you are not addressing the situation at hand other than a lazy conspiracy theory. If you want to be treated seriously, don't be unserious.
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  78.  @kevinschmidt2210  Scroll up. I pointed out that Bernie was the lead author of a bill that is now law that has cut child poverty in half, and his $600/week in supplemental unemployment saved us from an economic cliff that would have made the Great Depression look like a mild hiccup in comparison. Again, no real world examples from you about actual successes or how to get to 218 & 50 for everything you claim to support.
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  79.  @kevinschmidt2210  And how is he supposed to get to 218 & 50? Since you apparently think that one Senator can force everyone to bow to his will and that he is weak if that doesn't happen, what is your idea? You sound like a Jimmy Dore fanboy.
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  80.  @kevinschmidt2210  So, you have no solutions. See my shocked face :-|
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  81.  @kevinschmidt2210  If you don't have a better idea, and all you do is complain that everything isn't better, you're not doing anything to make a difference. So, unless your goal is to sabotage anyone who is trying to do anything, you aren't contributing, but helping those who actively want to make things worse. Just because you don't understand what gaslighting means doesn't mean that it is happening to you.
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  82.  @hermank9647  Where are the votes? I am talking about the things that Bernie has accomplished. Pretending like the fact that there aren't the votes there means that he is some sort of liar shows that you are either so extreme and/or ignorant about how government works that you sabotage yourself, or you are a right-wing troll trying to depress the left.
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  83.  @parsonj39  Those are probably bots. If it was a video on Ohio, they'd complain that it isn't about something else.
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  84. I think everyone would have been happier if the popular vote and Electoral College were reversed. That way, Trump could always say he won without having to actually do the job, and hundreds if thousands of people would be alive who are not now because we would have had a competent response to coronavirus.
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  85. He's nervous that he might have to give up some of his shares and give up his space colony.
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  86.  @chazmcgooski83  The effective rate for the richest 400 families was 47% in 1980, and 56% in 1960, and they did just fine, and the economy did just fine.
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  87.  @davidleomorley889  I am voting for Bernie, too. Mine was in response to the idea that Yang had a few good ideas but his signature idea is horrible. I thought the whole makes Milton Friedman and Charles Murray worse part would give it away ;-)
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  88.    No network would allow any spot more than two minutes. These are designed to be shared.
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  89.  @zerocool5395  One party at least has a wing that cares about working people. Giving up only guarantees failure. Some of us would rather not go down without a fight.
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  90. It depends on whether or not UBI is paid for with a regressive tax and whether or not it is a Trojan horse to gut the existing social safety net. Assuming that it is not, we need the following societal solutions first: 1) Medicare for All 2) Green New Deal 3) Federal minimum wage of $15/hour indexed to inflation 4) Federal Jobs Guarantee 5) Free Public Postsecondary Education 6) Student Loan Forgiveness and Medical Debt Forgiveness 7) Workplace Democracy 8) Affordable Housing Guarantee Then, and only then, do we need to evaluate our situation and determine if we need a UBI and, if so, what it should look like.
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  91. Indeed. It is the reform that makes all other reforms possible.
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  92.  @Kittylover074  I live in a swing state, so I will not aid and abet four more years of Trump. However, when it comes time for me to vote on June 2nd, Bernie is getting my vote. If someone lives in a state where Biden can't use your vote or doesn't need it, have at it, but you are so right. If you live in a swing state, you can't play with people's lives.
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  93.  @donHooligan  You "won't stand in my way," but yet you keep trying to convince people to not vote for Biden. I don't think that's how it works. As far as it not mattering, you are aware that someone will be in the White House to either sign bills or veto them. If you encourage people to vote for the latter or ignore the position entirely, you are making the "something" more difficult to actually accomplish. If you want something self-indulgent that will leave you in the same place, you might want to get a room and some lube.
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  94.  @CouncilOfTheLostGoats  Darn right! Especially if you live in a swing state, voting is not about having a temper tantrum, but about picking someone who will actually govern. Considering that they helped a literal fascist get a toehold on government, that's not exactly something to brag about.
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  95.  Tony Mario  I'd say well over 50MM agree with that assessment.
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  96.  Tony Mario  You really don't get how health insurance or taxes work, do you? Even if you look at that figure, it would be a drop in the bucket of American health costs. Based on how much Bernie wants to set the taxes at, I would pay a lot more than $1000, but I would pay a fraction of what I pay now. I don't want to start a new insurance system using private money. I want the existing public one (Medicare) expanded to cover everyone, even if they can't pitch in $1000.
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  97. @Abe Tsenoh There is a big difference between left (real) and right (fake) populism. The left version focuses on what the rich have done. The right version looks for some Other to demonize to distract people while they pick your pockets. How many of these supposed right-wing populists voted against the Trump tax cuts for the rich?
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  98.  @ReVeralife  Maybe put some of that energy into getting Bernie over the line in the first place so you don't have to hope for acquiescence. Part of this conspiracy rests under the idea that the Democratic establishment would rather lose to Trump than win with Bernie, but if people show up in Milwaukee, they will suddenly back down? Richard Clarke once said that conspiracy theories rely on believing in both the total in competence and total shrewdness of the government all at the same time. As for me, I will keep doing the work to get Bernie to 1990.
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  99. How do you pay property taxes?
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  100. ​ @whiskeymonk4085  Would you have preferred that he sat on his hands to throw the election to Trump?
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  101.  @technosaurus3805  You could have done that on $7.25/hour decades ago, but you can't do it now. That's $15K/year. If you think that you can afford a down payment and then by a house with that kind of income, you are in fantasy world. There is literally nowhere in the United States where you can afford a two-bedroom apartment on $15,000/year, let alone by a house. And blue states with a $15/hour minimum wage? New York, Washington, and several cities.
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  102. The video explains what a charro is in the subtitles.
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  103. Thank you for bringing attention to the plight of workers! No lefty politics is really of the left if it ignores labor and workers in general.
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  104.  discorperted  So, the rich will be taxed, and the rich will get all the money from taxes? You trolls aren't even trying anymore.
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  105.  discorperted  I take it you have never heard of cap and dividend. Fossil fuels are not sustainable. I don't want a few years of relative comfort for myself with the entire planet becoming uninhabitable in the process.
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  106.  The last Prussian  I'm guessing you've never even bothered to read The Communist Manifesto. It's only about 50 pages, so you can literally finish it in under an hour.
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  107.  Spok  Still can't find a clause for anything in particular. Good-bye.
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  108.  Spok  If you are so convinced that he "violates pretty much all of the Constitution," and you can't name any examples, then that tells me that you probably don't know what is actually in the Constitution. For someone who chose a handle that is a homophone for someone who is defined by logic, you are unable to actually display any.
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  109.  Spok  Okay, your first paragraph proves that you are full of it. Literally the first sentence is "a more perfect union." The Constitution has its basis in Enlightenment thought and looking at history.
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  110. We need more like you who see the big picture!
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  111.  @lisamurphy7102  In all honesty, I think that Bernie has found the role where he can do the most good. There are just some people in this world whose role it is to show the way, even if they aren't the ones to get us there. The question is who is the Joshua to Bernie's Moses.
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  112. Indeed. I remember in 2008 working a job where the boss insisted that nobody wanted to work because he got no one to respond to the help wanted ad. I pointed out that he didn't list the wage, so people just assumed it was minimum wage. Once he put the wages ($11.00/hour, or $13.64 in today's money), he got two within the day.
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  113.  @Exoticgirl1  Well, we just need to work that much harder. Every time you get worried, knock on doors, make phone calls, get on the BERN app. We can do it!
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  114.  @batboy3746  If you can't tell the difference between left and right populism, that's on you. Ruy Teixeira (hardly a populist by any stretch) defined left (real) populism as a battle between the rich elite and everyone else, and right (fake) populism as finding an underclass other who is supposedly aligning with the cultural elite to undermine decent people. They are not remotely the same. One leads to more equitable society, and the other leads to increased division and rancor.
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  115. Wonderful news! One down, 49 to go.
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  116.  @arcanondrum6543  And William Jennings Bryan
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  117.  @undead9999  Any time
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  118. Yes! We can all do our part. Here in Philly, I have been knocking on doors for Bernie with DSA.
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  119.  @RationalAUS  What about the ones who are educated and still have those feelings?
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  120. @Hailey Collins Is Andrew Yang offering real Medicare for All instead of just the name? Is he still forcing the poor to choose between their current benefits and his plan? Is he still proposing a regressive tax to pay for it? Is he still fine with tech monopolies doing whatever they want and controlling all of the benefits of automation? Is he still telling people to give up on the climate crisis and take his pittance to move to higher ground? Is he still doing nothing about affordable housing or rent control and telling people to move in with their buddies and hope their friendship survives the 15 or 30 year life of the mortgage?
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  121.  @pitti-sing1203  Are we really going to use someone's personal decision of how to respond to an adulterous spouse against her? If you have been wronged, and the feelings are still there, and people are willing to work through it, who are we to judge? Stick to the issues. There is more than enough there without making it personal.
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  122.  @kevinschmidt2210  Yeah, how's that Revolution working for you? Is this going to be the year that people are miserable enough? Funny that I actually gave specific examples of actual accomplishments and you only provided cliches.
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  123.  Kommisar   The child tax credit is doing just that. Increasing the child tax credit is cutting the poverty rate.
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  124.  Kommisar   Yes, because there is no difference between tax cuts for the rich and targeted programs that are fully refundable and give money directly to working- and middle-class people. It's funny how difficult it is for the right to understand such basic things and reduce themselves to "Tax BAD! Me smash!"
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  125.  @MartianManHunter7  Bernie wants to forgive medical debt, too. The idea is not to put an albatross around people for things that they should have never been charged for in the first place.
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  126. It falls upon some people to be like Moses and show us the way without getting us there. Perhaps AOC is our Joshua.
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  127. Somewhere, James Buchanan is breathing a sigh of relief.
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  128.  Harry Mann Jr  You really don't tire of pretending that taxes are the only expense in the world, do you? Okay, I will use simple round numbers for demonstration purposes. Let's take someone who makes $50,000/year. That person currently pays $5000/year in taxes, and $4000/year in health care costs. That person would have $41,000 after those two expenses. Now, let's say that taxes go up $1000 (it would actually be $840, but again, I am just using round numbers, so the point is even stronger in real life). That means $6000/year in taxes and no out of pocket medical expenses, leaving that person with $44,000. $44,000>$41,000, even with higher taxes.
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  129. We didn't lose Bernie. He's still there in the Senate and fighting for the people. Agreed that we have to keep fighting for down ballot races.
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  130.  @Neonb1bLes  While Bernie greatly admires Debs, I can't help but think that in many ways he mirrors Bryan, a figure whose destiny was to be the Moses to show us the way, but not the one to get us there. He will always he remembered as the one who showed us another way is possible. Now, it's up to us to get there.
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  131. When I was activated in 2003-04, I noticed that there was a lot of money wasted on expensive weapons and vehicles that didn't work very well (the Stryker tanks were so poorly balanced that soldiers died because one fell over in water and they were trapped) and not enough on things we needed (there were only one or two pairs of night goggles for our National Guard unit of over 100, our "new" trucks were Vietnam era, and we didn't get armor plated vest until we were there for months, and it often didn't fit, which in my case caused back pain that I still sometimes get to this day). We could move those priorities, easily save $100B, and not miss it. You are so right about what it really means to vote against increased Defense spending.
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  132. Because any proposal that is seen as beyond the realm of reason will hurt the long term goal. Would it kill people to develop just a little sense of strategy?
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  133. So, is a worker co-op considered market socialism?
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  134.  @TechnoEstate  Ignoring the results of the election pretty much guarantees that Trump gets to name the successor to RBG, so any good thing that President AOC or anyone else can get through Congress could be overturned. Since you want to talk long game, I want to give a chance for any real lefty to actually accomplish things when he/she takes office.
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  135. If Biden wins and Democrats get the Senate, who do you think will chair the Senate Budget Committee? Just maybe think about using an actual strategy instead of encouraging chaos because of self-defeating spite.
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  136.  @donHooligan  Unless there is someone else posting with your exact same username and screen image, you were posting yesterday trying to convince people that Biden is worse than Trump. Not as bad as Trump, but worse than Trump. I'd say that trying to help elect the man who approved drilling in ANWR, pulled out of the Paris Accords, and denies the existence of the climate crisis certainly qualifies.
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  137.  @donHooligan  Either Biden or Trump will be elected. So, given the choice between someone who will sign legislation on climate compared to one who will veto it, I'd prefer the one who will sign it. Given the choice between Bernie being chair of the Senate Budget Committee and being the ranking member, I'd prefer him to be the chair.
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  138.  @jimmathers7924  It's times like these where I'm convinced that a lot of these people who claim to support Bernie are really trolls for Trump trying to depress turnout on the left.
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  139.  @donHooligan  Your accusation is your confession. I'm not the one who claims to have spent 20 years fighting drilling in ANWR, while one candidate voted against it and the other allowed it, and still telling people that either there is no difference or the denialist is better. Either you are lying about something, or you just haven't been paying attention.
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  140.  @donHooligan  In the other one, you clearly said 20. Then again, considering that you're pimping Trump, I don't believe a word.
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  141.  @donHooligan  Ooh, big man. Such big talk for the man who keeps insisting that Biden is either no better or actually worse than Trump.
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  142.  @donHooligan  Show me where I said he was the left. You're just mad that your trolling game is exposed.
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  143. Don't just vote. Knock on doors. Make calls. Download the BERN app. Do whatever you can.
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  144. You mean a regressive consumption tax? No, thank you. Say no to the Unfair Tax.
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  145.  @d3m0no  Not only that, but it will help the unions. Currently, my combined share of employer and employee health insurance costs are 32.01% of my income. If we get Medicare for All, that drops to 11%, and I no longer have to pay a co-payment or deductibles. So, not only would I be better off in terms of the plan, but my union just might be able to shove that in the boss's face and demand that we get some of the savings.
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  146. I don't think you do. The strategy is to grow their numbers and take it over. If you don't like the establishment, run for school board, city council, state legislature, and state and local party committees. If enough people do that and win, we take over.
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  147.  @ReVeralife  You are forgetting one key thing: if a candidate gets below 15% in a state or Congressional district, that vote goes into the ether. If this is really an effort to block anyone from getting a majority, this is the absolute worst possible way to do it. Bloomberg isn't about splitting the vote, his candidacy is about the establishment having second thoughts about Biden's ability to win. The ideal number of candidates if the goal is to block a majority is three or four, not 15, because 15 means it is easier to not be viable, whereas in theory, Bernie could win 16%, and second place could get 14.9%, and Bernie gets all of the delegates. Understand the rules when commenting on the game.
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  148.  @GLORYNEVADASMITH  So, you abhor negative campaigning against the guy who willfully breaks the law and the Constitution on a daily basis and praises Nazis, but you want him to tear into Biden harder? Yeah, that makes sense. Also, the goal is not to win over Trump supporters. If they still like Trump, they are probably too far gone. The goal is to turn out your own supporters.
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  149.  @whiskeymonk4085  Trolls gotta troll.
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  150.  @SRSOS1  What in the world are you talking about, and who are you responding to? Because your complaints make no sense in response to what I wrote. My point that no real lefty politics doesn't stand up for labor was a critique of centrists who have sold labor out. I was complimentary of the podcast for addressing labor. Who's your real issue with? Because it's not with me.
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  151. It falls to some people to point the way, but not get us to the Promised Land. It looks like Bernie is one of those people.
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  152.  discorperted  Apparently, you haven't even bothered to read the funding mechanism: https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal A lot is funded by progressive taxes on the rich. Still more is funded by ending subsidies for fossil fuels. And if we aren't so dependent on fossil fuels, Saudi Arabia doesn't seem like such a key alliance anymore. And, let's talk about redistribution: since 1981, government has made every effort to distribute income and wealth up. In the 35 years before that, the poorest 20% actually saw income and wealth increase fastest of all, and the economy grew faster than it has since. Instead, we have seen the first break in the link between productivity and wages in recorded history. If that is "not redistributing," give me redistribution any day of the week.
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  153.  discorperted  And there it is. You've run out of arguments on climate, so now you have to resort to xenophobia. If you don't like the immigration, maybe stop trying to get rid of leaders you don't like and let democracy run its course without sanctioning those who don't do what you like. The Cold War is over, so what is the excuse now?
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  154. My ex-wife had to drop from two hearing aids to one because the insurance would only cover one hearing aid.
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  155.  Spok  Well, if it's "pretty much all of it," surely you can find an example. Don't look in the Preamble, though, because the General Welfare part might scare you.
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  156.  Spok  Yeah, sure you did. And you haven't demonstrated your ability to quote one clause in the Constitution, let alone demonstrate that you actually understand it.
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  157.  Spok  And how do I know that you are wrong? There are only two mentions of religion in the entire Constitution: banning religious tests in Article V, and the religion clauses in the First Amendment. If they wanted to make America a Christian nation, they would have done so, but if there was any doubt, the Barbary Treaty killed it.
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  158. What are you talking about? Bernie has voted against all three of Trump's Defense budgets.
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  159. Thank God you are okay! I couldn't possibly imagine carrying the hopes of so many. Let us help carry you to victory. We know you'll be back better than ever once you get some rest.
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  160.  @lisamurphy7102  True about that. I guess I'm just remembering how New Labour completely sabotaged Jeremy Corbyn and he got replaced by Kier Starmer. I think that the real reason why Bernie ran was to get the ideas out there. (Some of the postmortems of 2016 said that he basically campaigned part time until he thought he had a chance in November 2015, because he was focused on his day job.) He has been consistent that it would take a political revolution to get most of his agenda passed. In other words, the squad needs to become the company or the battalion (it's getting close to a platoon). Debs and Bryan led the way to Wilson and FDR, so maybe someday Bernie will beget the movement of AOC.
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  161.  @miscaccount9438  I must say that I find it highly amusing that you consider simply asking what you are doing to organize "a personal attack." I guess maybe "I try to get people to think differently" is your admission that you think commenting online is the same as organizing. So, let's think of the consequences of "refusing to be a part of evil," as though that's not a personal attack on anyone who votes for the major-party nominee, especially when those people live in swing states. In 2000 and 2016, we got Presidents who were put there despite pluralities supporting other candidates in no small part because of third party candidates. It was very obvious in 2000, because Nader got over 150 times the margin of "victory" in Florida. In 2016, the exit polling shows that third party voters preferences would have definitely made the difference to swing Wisconsin and Michigan to Trump, and possibly Pennsylvania as well. That got us the Iraq War and over a million dead because of a pandemic. But, wait! There's more. Between the two of them, they put five Justices on the Supreme Court, who provided the deciding margin in the Citizens United case (gutting campaign finance laws), Shelby (gutting the Voting Rights Act), and Dobbs (overturning Roe). So, you can pretend that you're above it all, but I will look at the real-world consequences and remember every time my adenoids are so swollen that I can barely breathe or I get really bad headaches.
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  162.  @arod6789  I took six of them as an undergrad and got four As and two Bs. Still doesn't answer why diversity means that we can't do big things for people. I took four in grad school, and got two As and two Bs, so there is nothing there unless you are trying to dig whistle and too chicken to say it.
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  163. That's what I like to hear to end the week!
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  164.  @Tr4cK17  Apologies. I misspoke. Biden did speak against it publicly at the time, though
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  165.  @oljimeagle  Pressuring Amazon and Disney to raise their wages, working with John McCain to improve the VA hospital system, community health clinics, and a host of things that we don't even know about because both Democrats and Republicans admitted that he would rather let them get the credit so things could get done.
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  166.  @oljimeagle  Almost forgot: as mayor, his city became the first to go to fully renewable energy in America, creating an economic boon to the people of Burlington and providing a model for hundreds in his wake.
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  167.  @aylbdrmadison1051  It sounds like I want a democracy because I trust the people, and you want an aristocracy that knows better. I'm not giving up on democracy for something that can't even happen because it has to get through the Amendment process, and red states won't do it because they'll see it as a dig against Trump.
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  168.  @audiosane4214  The fact that Biden was able to wrap things up so quickly shows that we don't have the infrastructure yet to mount a successful nomination. Quite frankly, at this point, I worry that some of the establishment would have done to him what the Labour establishment did to Corbyn. People need to run for not just Congress, but city and county Democratic committees, school boards, city council, and state legislature to build that farm system.
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  169.  @undead9999  Sorry about that. Sometimes, you feel the need to address a common misunderstanding even if it means feeding the troll. It was those competing pressures that got to me ;-)
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  170. @ThatOneGirl I remember last month the most epic unmasking of one of these trolls ever. It seemed odd that he was arguing that a $15/hour minimum wage wouldn't mean much... until he admitted that he worked in finance and his real opposition to TARP was that some of his competitors didn't lose their jobs. But he was supporting Greens because they were super serious about fighting for the issues. Give some of these people enough time, and their masks will slip.
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  171.  @FertilityTV  Well, you just proved yourself wrong right there. You fell down the rabbit hole and now you're trying to drag us down it, too. Not gonna happen, because we're not looking to proven liars for confirmation bias.
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  172.  @lostmypassword  After when? They started to shift their actual income to things that don't get taxed.
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  173.  Jaison Borne  You mean like the way that he said that he would increase taxes on the rich?
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  174.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  You do understand that there are lots of different countries in the Middle East, right? And that Afghanistan is in Central Asia, not the Middle East? 9/11 isn't an excuse to attack anyone, anywhere, for any reason just so long as you say the magic terror word.
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  175.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  I have been to Germany, and I don't remember seeing any Hitler statues or Rommelstrasse, despite being in the province which the Nazis originally used as its base of power. That doesn't mean that they forgot their history, it means that they know who to honor and, perhaps more importantly, who not to.
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  176.  @HumbleAstronaut  You mean the one whose signature proposal was straight out of Milton Friedman in an effort to gut the existing social safety net, and the one who spent most of her campaign trying to suck up to people like Dave Rubin? There was only one.
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  177.  @JamesJohnson-gz9fn  What specifically is a lie in the Equality Act?
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  178.  Spok  It was Republicans who were enamored of the Nazionalsozialistarbeitisch Party. They were the ones who tried to tie FDR's hands in dealing with him. And, if they are a creature of the left, why did they sit to the far right in the Reichstag?
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  179.  @vashtanerata1799  Nothing would surprise me. However, I think that a lot of those who act that way are Yang's true base who agree with his philosophy: libertarians. Good luck dealing with those people who believe the same thing on Wednesday that they did on Monday regardless of what happened on Tuesday. In another thread, someone said that he would do the most good running as a Republican to try to pull them in a different direction. Cody Johnston of Some More News made the same argument about Biden, saying that a 1970s Republican is better than this variety.
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  180. @Pack -A- Punch Some people don't really want to accomplish anything and are only happy when they're complaining.
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  181.  @chazmcgooski83  It depends on what we are talking about. Can individuals build roads? Fund schools?
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  182.  @chazmcgooski83  So, you can build roads? Schools? Hospitals? Margaret Thatcher was wrong. Society is a thing.
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  183.  @brothersandsistersofvalhalla  Some people are meant to show the way, and others are meant to help people get through the door. Besides, a lot of Bernie's accomplishments have been much quieter, because he cares far more about helping people than getting the glory. Why else do you think that he was known as the Amendment King, and several people in both parties admitted that he let them take the credit for amendments?
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  184. Fossil fuels are hundreds of millions of years old, so that line works on multiple levels.
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  185.  @jonh8488  He didn't mention them by name, but they are called sore loser laws, which prohibit someone from running on the ballot under a different party after being on the primary ballot of another party. All but three states have some version of them. Therefore, it is impossible for Bernie to run as a third party or independent candidate.
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  186.  @zerocool5395  When do Republicans actually push policies that help working people? It's not Democrats who keep talking up privatizing Social Security and Medicare, oppose increasing the minimum wage, or cutting taxes for the rich.
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  187.  @justthinking526  Which proves that we can pressure elected officials to do the right thing.
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  188.  @arcanondrum6543  Bernie formed the Progressive Caucus in 1991.
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  189. Liking and replying for the same thing
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  190. This should never happen to anyone! We the people should have made the right thing happen by now. Your legacy is one of service and strength, and we are all praying for you and fighting to make Medicare for All a reality.
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  191. @Tommy Vaughn In fairness to Pakman, his argument is that democratic socialism is closer to Allende, and what Bernie really wants is social democracy. Personally, I don't care what he calls it, just as long as he does great things for the people and makes the government work for the people instead of the rich.
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  192.  @marcrow9114  I know he was a Green Party candidate in Oxford in 2015 and 2017 (the British Green Party aren't Tory stooges like their American counterparts). I'm not sure if he is still active, because he is the older brother, but he at least was as of a few years ago.
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  193. Sometimes, it's about putting down a marker so you can get reinforcements the next time around.
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  194.  @justthinking526  Either Biden or Trump will be President. If you really care about getting Medicare for All, vote down ballot for people who want it who are members of a party that can actually win, and keep doing it and helping other candidates who will do the same until that becomes the position of the leadership. The right decided to take over a major party and they get everything they want. Too many on the left listen to you, and we get nothing.
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  195.  @AiletaEyail  I think you mean Matthew 5 of you are talking Beatitudes, and Matthew 25 if you are talking the parable of the sheep and the goats.
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  196.  @ianmcshea913  Well, then, you haven't paid attention. The Populists ended up becoming the dominant force within the Democratic Party within a decade. The Liberty Party gave us the Mexican War and the expansion of slavery. The Free Soil Party gave us the Compromise of 1850. The Green Party gave us the Iraq War and the "clear skies and healthy forests" initiatives. Now, let's look at the strategy I'm arguing for. The squad is becoming a platoon, the House passed a $15/hour minimum wage (which Biden now supports and mentions in his ads), and if Democrats win the Senate, Bernie will chair the Senate Budget Committee and the Senate Subcommittee on Health, becoming the number two member of the HELP Committee, meaning that he is range of holding the gavel once held by the lion himself, Edward Kennedy.
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  197.  @deulavremotsuk3563  If none of them did, no one would have gotten their $600/week in supplemental unemployment. The bill was going to pass with or without them. Would you rather no one have gotten that? Is your desire to burn everything down because you didn't get everything you wanted that strong?
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  198.  @GLORYNEVADASMITH  So, they are part of the conspiracy, too? The theory has been quite obvious for a while: peak at the right time. Harris made her move at the first debate, and look at where she is. Any candidate who made their move early is already crumbling, and even the MSM has begun to realize that he is peaking at the right time. So, let me get this straight, you have no ability to do anything like talking to other people in order to try to help a once in a lifetime candidate win, but you have all of this energy and ability to organize a flash mob if he doesn't? [In Dr. Evil voice]: Riiight. Well, since you want to talk about skills, here is mine: I am very good at finding the logical inconsistencies and contradictions in just about every argument. So, f you want to come at me with excuses, make sure that they are at least something where the most basic debater or lawyer wouldn't be able to do a flow sheet and see the obvious problems.
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  199.  @marci.abraham  If this were a one-on-one occasion, I would agree with you. A public forum where people are spreading the notion that Bernie can't win anyway so we should go with a strategy based on that is completely different. By letting stuff like that go on Bernie's website, other people might see it and become discouraged from doing the actual work needed to win (the same reason why I try to discourage conspiracies that say that Bernie can't win), and THAT is why I pointed out the problem with that thinking.
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  200.  @marci.abraham  Well, I would suggest that seeing what it is based on and the actual evidence is vital. When Bernie supporters insist that the field is so big not because a) a lot of people who probably should have run the last time who were afraid of the Clinton machine and b) people who thought, "if Trump could win, so can I," it greatly affects our credibility. Running 15 candidates mist likely means over 20% of the vote goes into the ether, thus making it easier for viable candidates to get delegates. Saying "it is impossible for Bernie to win the nomination on the first ballot, so go protest" dampens enthusiasm, which is why it so angers me when I hear "the DNC won't let Bernie win." If they deny him the nomination no matter what, why are we giving up our weeknights and Saturdays to go do the work to get him to 1990? If people want to help Bernie, then they should help. If they think that this conspiracy is real, then provide better evidence than something that disregards the threshold for winning pledged delegates. If others see that such despair is counterproductive, even if the person I am talking to doesn't, then I would argue that it was beneficial to draw out the hypothesis and test it.
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  201.  @falsificationism  It is a textbook example of whataboutism, trying to distract people from the awful things Trump has done and wants to do. Your username is more accurate than you intend it to be.
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  202.  @Hindukushsailing  Bernie wrote two books that sold over a million copies and has a job that pays six figures. If he hadn't accumulated at least a million dollars by the age of 80, you'd be saying that he's bad with money. You're not fooling anyone.
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  203. That's why we need to index the minimum wage so they can't hold working people hostage.
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  204.  @tropicalstormrain5893  Well, now you know that stereotype is false. If by free stuff, you mean "a set of basic guarantees for a livable life," then that is on you, but I would argue that subsides to people who already have more money than they could possibly spend in 100 lifetimes is far more egregious than making sure people won't die because they can't afford healthcare, people not coming out of college with five or six figure debts, and making sure people have wages they can afford to live on.
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  205.  @LiaMari  So true. To this day, only one person has ever been elected to the US Senate as a Democrat (Leahy) from Vermont. It was one of only two states to vote for Landon.
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  206.  discorperted  The American people did not elect Donald Trump. The Electoral College did. 66 > 63. Saying that democracy has run its course is a sure sign of someone who knows his ideology can't win.
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  207.  @belasgirl6  If you're worried about getting laid off or the warehouse getting closed, it weighs heavily on you.
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  208. Bernie understands that the election is only the beginning. That is why he can break the hold of the Reagan coalition in the way that Obama couldn't. That, and he doesn't accept their fundamental premises.
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  209. A thought that I have had recently: I keep hearing from these Blue Lives Matter people that cops are under fire almost like being in a combat zone every day. If this is really the case, just maybe we should hire more police in certain high crime areas so police officers can be rotated to low stress jobs like desk jobs. In the army, no one is constantly in a combat zone, because that causes serious problems. If they are right about this situation, this idea will reduce stress and police malpractice, and it will mean more dues paying members of the union, so everyone wins.
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  210.  Spok  The way I figure it, you sound like these people who go on and on about how much they love the Bible, but can't name any actual parts of it.
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  211. I'm confused. Did they win the vote, or did they receive sufficient signatures to have a vote? If the latter, they must remain vigilant.
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  212.  @triggered8556  Would child kidnapper be better if that doesn't rise to torture?
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  213.  @jazznjive  Indeed. Bernie wouldn't have gotten a fraction of what Biden did through with this Congress. Not because Bernie is a bad negotiator, but the centrists would have sabotaged him from day one.
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  214.  @miscaccount9438  Actually, when refusing to vote for the lesser evil when there is literally a non-zero chance of anyone but the two major parties winning means that you allow the greater evil in order to pat yourself on the back.
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  215.  @miscaccount9438  If you think that the Democratic Party meets the test for actual fascism, you are either lying to yourself or you are lying to us in order to play the useful idiot.
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  216.  @miscaccount9438  "this is why you organize" And organizing takes years, even decades. What have you actually done to organize?
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  217.  @miscaccount9438  What have you actually done? Give some examples. Commenting on videos online doesn't count.
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  218.  @miscaccount9438  You're trying to change the argument because you know that if you point out the big, fat nothing you've done, you'll be embarrassed. If organizing is the end goal, you should be able to give examples of what you've done. I can.
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  219.  @miscaccount9438  Not supporting a fool's errand of supporting a third party isn't "advocating against organizing."
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  220.  @bafflezbiz  Am I saying it was big bucks? No, I'm saying that prospective applicants probably thought the job paid minimum wage, so that's why nobody applied at first.
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  221.  @Tr4cK17  When did he vote for tax cuts skewed heavily toward the rich? He is not my preferred candidate, but I give credit where credit is due.
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  222.  @bonbon1956sh  15% is the threshold to win delegates. 25% is the threshold to be able to force a minority report. Since the party wants to show a display of unity, that is something they desperately want to avoid, which gives leverage for serious concessions.
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  223.  lost in translation  Oh, so you're a coward. Good to know.
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  224.  lost in translation  So, the True Patriots let other people do their fighting for them?
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  225. @Steven Which candidate defended the assassination of a journalist in Saudi Arabia? Which candidate tried to stop American doing the budding of Saudi Arabia in Yemen, and which one vetoed that bill?
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  226. Because the requirements are written into the Constitution, so it would take an amendment to change it. Also, given the history of things like literacy tests, it is entirely possible that results could be faked to disenfranchise people. It's up to the people to make that judgment.
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  227. "I like Ted Cruz more than most people in the Senate, and I hate Ted Cruz." Al Franken
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  228.  Ilansini Shoresh  Biden already has sufficient pledged delegates to win the nomination. Even if Biden were to have a stroke tomorrow, his delegates become free agents, and I guarantee that they are not people willing to go for Bernie.
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  229.  @maxsmart645  Sadly, if Biden drops out, those delegates become unpledged. I just don't see how we can convince half of them to vote for Bernie to put him over the top.
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  230.  @maxsmart645  Biden voters, yes, but not Biden delegates. I saw the lists when I got my primary ballot. Every Biden delegate running was a total establishment creature. I'm guessing that isn't an anomaly based on what I have long observed in party politics.
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  231.  Ilansini Shoresh  Any political party can only do what its members allow. Far too many have been complacent. Perhaps it was Bernie's role to be a Moses and show people the way. Now, we need to get the reinforcements ready so our Joshua can win.
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  232.  @FertilityTV  This isn't 2000 where you have someone trying to hold back a few hundred votes in one state. We are talking about thousands or tens of thousands of votes in at least four states, and the votes have already been counted. If the Supreme Court gives this election to Trump, democracy is over.
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  233.  @NatuerlicheFruchtbarkeit  English translation: Mail-in votes hurt my chosen candidate, so they can't possibly be fair.
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  234.  @FertilityTV  A million dollars says you're wrong. I'll take installments. And you keep Bernie's name out of your mouth. Your divide and conquer isn't working here.
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  235.  @FertilityTV  This didn't age well :-P
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  236.  @MalevolentMonkeyGod  "The result shows that"? Biden actually improved among white men, so that pretty much disproves that theory. And I've never heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" leading workers to favor the boss who keeps screwing them over and refusing to pay for their work.
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  237.  @RationalAUS  Nowhere near the United States? When did aborigines start getting included in the census, again? There are a lot of countries that have far more racism than they are prepared to admit. Seeing how Trump actually improved with black and Hispanic men tells me that misogyny also plays a role.
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  238.  @MalevolentMonkeyGod  You could say that the first time, but over and over when you see the stories of people who soured on Trump, the basic structure of the conversion was "I thought he was going to stick it to the people I didn't like, and then he stuck it to me." Let the anti-immigrant crowd talk long enough and it becomes obvious that "economic anxiety" is not the reason for their xenophobia.
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  239.  @MalevolentMonkeyGod  I agree with both counterfactuals. However, the exit polling clearly shows that economic anxiety was not the main cause for voting for Trump in 2016.
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  240.  @MalevolentMonkeyGod  I didn't say it is. My point was that a key portion of that group was motivated by that.
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  241.  @lostmypassword  And that is what we are trying to address.
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  242.  @lostmypassword  Then, when should it be taxed? If they are masking it as Not Income, it won't be taxed until it is sold, and part of the argument is that it should be taxed at the same level as ordinary income when it is sold. If they die and leave shares to their children, it will never be taxed because of perhaps the most obscene loophole of all.
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  243.  @lostmypassword  And one that a lot came up with is the wealth tax. Pretty much all evidence says that all it really does is slow the accumulation of extreme wealth. (One study said that if it was implemented In 1982, when Bill Gates had enough net worth to be subject to it, he would have had a net worth of $13 billion in 2019.) If they don't accept the idea of being taxed enough that they'll never become trillionaires, they might have to face something that makes Share Our Wealth look like supply-side economics.
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  244. Biden already has enough delegates to win the nomination.
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  245.  @rockstar9ism  You mean the other countries that spend a fraction of what we do?
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  246.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  Did you just acknowledge your own age? Again, Taliban were not the Middle East. And I must say that I appreciate the irony that people like you can't seem to understand the difference between a monument to traitors and terrorists and buildings that people no longer wanted to be funded and maintained by the general public and buildings that were thousands of years old whose destruction was condemned internationally, including the American Left, while the Bush Administration was originally trying to get the Taliban to work with it. As someone who went to a war that was based on what turned out to be false claims of weapons of mass destruction and connections to 9/11, I for one resent the ridiculous claims that one had anything to do with the other. Oh, just one more thing. Here are what actual American heroes who kept this country together had to say about the Robert E. Lee statue at Gettysburg, as well as the traitor himself: https://npsgnmp.wordpress.com/2013/12/19/the-lee-controversy-of-1903/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments
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  247.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  Probably because, unlike say, Jefferson Davis, Lee recanted his treason. If you don't think that Confederates are traitors, then the word has no meaning.
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  248.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  For someone who claims to understand history, you are the one defending the Confederates. What's next, are you going to say that they didn't really fight for slavery, even though their Vice President referred to slavery as the "cornerstone" of the Confederacy, and every state document of secession either mentioned slavery in the first paragraph if not the first sentence: https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/caa_missec.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_geosec.asp https://www.civildiscourse-historyblog.com/blog/2018/7/1/secession-documents-Texas And I am not a millennial, I am Generation X.
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  249.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  Ethnoc History. Interesting way to peddle what you are selling in defending those whose stated goal was to destroy a country that you claim to love. I, for one, am proud of the fact that my great-great-grandfather fought in the side of America rather than slavery and oppression. And if you notice, I haven't used the word progressive, because it has been used to represent so many vastly different things as to have historical meaning. Quite frankly, I care a lot more about what you are actually proposing. The only time that progressive can serve as a truly accurate descriptor is when describing economic impact of things like taxes.
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  250.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  Every soldier ever says things like that. It wasn't rank and file soldiers who decided to secede, and those people who did make the decision clearly did so because they wanted to defend the peculiar institution. To pretend otherwise is to ignore the history that you claim to defend. The KKK was founded by disgruntled Confederates, and Confederate imagery has been used time and time again during resistance to civil rights. Maybe I'll get off my high horse when you stop defending the opposition force that killed more Americans than any other.
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  251.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  Keep talking. You make your side look worse and worse with every post. Now, you are defending the Klan.
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  252.  @pattirockgarden4423  Bernie didn't have the votes. I did everything I could to try to help him win, but we don't want to sound like Trump dead enders.
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  253.  @veelynn1200  You mean the party that has has been heavily funded by Republicans since at least 2000 and have regularly worked with them to unite against Democrats and make it even easier for Republicans to continue their minority rule? https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/republican-election-sabotage-scheme-using-wisconsin-green-party-fails/
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  254. ​ @whiskeymonk4085  Taxes were a lot higher in the 1950s and people "gave money to one entity" back then, too. The problem is that the incentive for everyone except for renters and those trying to buy a house is to make housing as expensive as possible. If you are in a nice area to live in, it is very common to see For Sale signs replaced a couple months later with For Rent signs that jack up the rental market making it impossible for people to save up. And then if you do somehow manage to save up, some private equity fund will outbid you. In the words of the late, great Sinead O'Connor, fight the real enemy.
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  255.  @lawndeeds74  I apologize for the delay in my reply. Well, there are actual definitions of fascism, so let's look at the 14 criteria for finding a fascist as identified by Umberto Eco (and remember that this doesn't mean that a fascist will automatically be able to succeed in setting up a fascist regime) and see how many Trump fit compared to Bernie. https://kottke.org/16/11/the-14-feautres-of-eternal-fascism 1) The cult of tradition. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 2) The rejection of modernism. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 3) The cult of action for action's sake. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 4) Disagreement is treason. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 5) Fear of difference. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 6) Appeal to social frustration. Trump: Yes; Bernie: Yes 7) The obsession with a plot. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 8) Enemies that are too strong and too weak. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 9) Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 10) Contempt for the weak. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 11) Everybody is educated to become a hero. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 12) Machismo and weaponry. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 13) Selective populism. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No 14) Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. Trump: Yes; Bernie: No TOTAL: Trump: 14; Bernie: 1 We have a winner!
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  256.  @lawndeeds74  You weren't making a comparison? "If anything Sanders if [sic] more of a fascist." You Do you Trump trolls just not remember what you said, or are you just like Dear Leader and the truth is whatever suits you the most in any given time?
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  257.  @lawndeeds74  For starters, Make America Great Again is the literal manifestation of the first two points. If you don't know how many times that Trump has accused people of treason, you clearly haven't been paying attention. Either that, or you put it down the memory hole. If you want to tell me why I am mistaken, I'd be glad to hear it. Once you do that, then I'll go into the list in even greater detail.
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  258. "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Edward M. Kennedy
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  259.  @vashtanerata1799  I don't understand when people say it, either. If his heart were truly in the right place, he wouldn't keep lying about what he wants to do.
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  260.  @davidleomorley889  He has some, but his signature idea takes Milton Friedman and Charles Murray and manages to make their plan worse by using a regressive tax to pay for it.
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  261.  @chazmcgooski83  The marginal rate matters a great deal. Supply side theory has long stated that the top marginal rates affect job growth and the economy. The marginal rate now is 37% (with the effective rate being 23%). I think once you add everything up, Bernie is proposing a top marginal rate of 64%, which is still lower than any time between 1936 and 1980. Yes, some people seem to confuse marginal and effective, but a top marginal tax rate of 64% would probably lead to an effective rate of about 40%. That is certainly better than what we see now, where the effective rate for the richest 400 families is lower than the bottom 50%.
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  262.  @brothersandsistersofvalhalla  Well, what have you accomplished, since you think that he's done so little?
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  263.  @prstudios3256  People also seem to forget that all but three states have sore loser laws, so he can't appear on the ballot under a different party label.
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  264.  @ChooseCompassion  Google sore loser laws. All but three states have them, so he can't run in any states that do.
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  265. The same thing as Bernie's campaign slogan: not me, us. Bernie will also get the gavel for the Budget Committee and the Subcommittee on Health. Just because we can't get everything doesn't mean we have to put ourselves in a position to get worse than nothing.
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  266.  @modemmark421  I really could have lived without that image in my head.
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  267. ​ @DaveB-w2i  No, a lot of it is about gaming the system. In 1980, there were 13 billionaires in the United States. Today, there are nearly 800. Did they suddenly start adding more wealth, or did they start changing the rules to concentrate wealth at the top. "There is a class war going on, and it's my class that's winning." Warren Buffett
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  268.  Peter Torbay  So much [citation needed], so little time.
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  269.  Peter Torbay  English translation: I can't provide any evidence for the nonsense that I spout, so I will just spout more nonsense to distract from the original nonsense.
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  270.  Peter Torbay  If your "investigation" is the same level of being that person with all the theories that you get stuck sitting next to on the bus from time to time, I'll pass.
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  271.  @asiburger  If you look at the whole of Tulsi's record, the aberrant period was her Bernie support. Other than Bloomberg, no Democratic Presidential candidate was to her right. I prefer people who don't support torture, compare the Iran nuclear deal to Munich, pal around with fascists, spread lies about voter fraud to make it harder for the elderly and disabled to vote, and call Medicare for All un-American.
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  272.  @arcanondrum6543  She shared a Project Veritas video that said that Ilhan Omar paid someone $25,000 to drum up false votes in an effort to prevent what the anti-democracy people call "ballot harvesting," which is how the sick and elderly often cast their absentee ballots.
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  273. Bernie doesn't want to be Labor Secretary. Doesn't it seem odd to you that, right after making the rounds talking about his newfound power in key committees should Democrats retake the Senate, that a story comes out saying that he wants to leave the Senate?
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  274.  @TechnoEstate  People like you said the same thing in 2000 and 2016. How did that work out? The mere fact that the architects of each movement now deny it tells me all I need to know. What makes you think it would work out any differently this time?
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  275.  @TechnoEstate  In 2000, the Nader supporters insisted that swinging the election to Bush would lead to a lefty renaissance that the establishment couldn't ignore. We got Kerry. Ditto 2016, and we got Biden. Your mission objectively failed by any standard. If you throw things to Trump this time and we have an election in 2024, it will be another establishment candidate. You sound like these people who insist that just a little bit longer with sanctions and the Castro regime will crack. Not to mention the millions suffering now, hence multiple prominent Never Biden people admitting that their tantrum was an act of privilege.
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  276. 12:31 and this is why UBI is insufficient to address automation. It is best completed after we have the systemic changes such as making sure that workers benefit and providing a sufficient social safety net. Otherwise, we'll end up with a few trillionaires and everyone else scraping by on $1000/month that may or may not be indexed for inflation.
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  277.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  How do you define freedom? If you go back far enough, all property is stolen, so why is that the one thing that those with a libertarian streak seem to care about above all others?
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  278.  @raymonddeflaviis2306  I said "libertarian streak," which in this case is emphasizing property when talking about freedom without ever saying what it means to those saying it.
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  279. @Tommy Vaughn And Denmark defines itself as a social democracy. I personally don't care too much about the name, but I am just pointing out that some argue that there is a difference between the two.
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  280. @Tommy Vaughn Pakman himself has defended socialism against, among other things, the "socialism has never worked" argument. If socialism is defined by who controls the means of production, his argument is accurate. It seems like semantics to me, but it is accurate by that definition.
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  281.  @jessestreet2549  Bernie lost the nomination because he got fewer votes. The drop in performance between 2016 and 2020 shows two things: 1) a lot of 2016 votes were cast people opposing Hillary rather than supporting Bernie; 2) when there is a fascist in office, people are afraid to dream and just want the bad man to go away. No matter what the DNC thinks, the final decision rests with voters. If you keep sounding like another group of rear guard people who shall remain nameless and not actually learn how to improve, you'll never get better. Conspiracy theories are a security blanket.
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  282.  @jessestreet2549  "HRC won the popular election but lost the ec because of Repubs grabbing important state government seats" For someone who talks about "the civics lesson" at the end of this post, it's amazing how basic understanding of how things work eludes you. The Electoral College is decided in 48 states and DC by the result of the popular vote within the state, and in the other two states, the statewide winner gets two electoral votes and each Congressional district gets one vote. State lines are not gerrymandered. Hillary Clinton lost the deciding three states because she took them for granted and focused on running up the margin in places like Chicago and New Orleans instead of making more of an effort in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and State College in Pennsylvania; in Madison and Milwaukee in Wisconsin; and in Detroit, Lansing, and Ann Arbor in Michigan. If you have every state go statewide with their vote, it affects things by one electoral vote in 2016, and they cancel each other out in 2020. It is not gerrymandering, but the concentration of Democratic voters in urban areas, that makes it possible for Republicans to win the Electoral College despite even trying to win over a majority of voters.
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  283.  @jessestreet2549  Yes, conspiracies sometimes are true, but here's a good rule of thumb: if a conspiracy theory is a way to avoid doing better or feeling better about losing, it's probably not.
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  284. "We go to the moon in this decade and do these other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard." John F. Kennedy, 1962 "We shouldn't try because it is too hard." Joe Biden, 2020
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  285.  @ColinFox  These are people who are either trolls who are here to sew discord, lazy people who do nothing and expect everything to get better, or people who don't understand how anything works and just expect things to get better by magic. As much as they complain, Bernie got fewer votes. Would they approve Trump tactics for trying to hold onto power if Bernie tried it?
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  286.  @aylbdrmadison1051  Consumption taxes are literally the textbook example of a regressive tax. Unless it has changed since the last time I dealt with people pushing this one, it didn't even exempt food. By definition, the more you make, the lower percentage of income you spend. If consumption taxes are not regressive (you can only make them less regressive, never progressive), find me one specific example anywhere of the rich paying a higher percentage of income than the poor do in consumption taxes. Here's a hint: you can't do it.
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  287.  @LogoLamont  Child kidnapping, forced sterilization of women, undermining democracy, killing over 200,000 people due to incompetence. If that's winning, I'd hate to see losing.
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  288.  @JustMe-ec2ph  Things get done in this world by people who do things that aren't appreciated in their time. As Bernie himself said in his first speech after his heart attack, when we do things for others that they won't be able to see ourselves, that is when we will have the society we want. The anti-anti-Trump crowd are idiots, so why should he quit because they don't appreciate what he does? I'm 38 years his junior, and I wish I had half his energy. The ego part comes from saying that if people don't treat you the right way, you'll withhold your efforts. America isn't a social club where we can just work elsewhere.
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  289.  @JustMe-ec2ph  No, but the refusal to do any more to contribute when you still have the energy and the desire because you didn't get enough applause would be. I, for one, believe in not putting people out to pasture, especially once in a generation (if not once in a lifetime figures) who still have plenty of good that they want to do.
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  290.  @JustMe-ec2ph  If someone decides "I've done everything I can or want to do," more power to that person. If someone decides that he/she has the vigor and the desire to keep fighting, we should also respect that. Maybe because I've done internships in retirement communities and even there saw that there will people who still had something to give and wanted to give, I would never take that away from someone because of age, with the possible exception of Supreme Court Justices who need to think far more than the rest of us do about a successor, because timing it wrong can literally lead to a chain reaction lasting for over a century. For everyone else, I just think that we need to see who can still give at a high level. Quite frankly, Bernie strikes me as the kind who would get bored if he retired.
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  291. "The cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Edward Kennedy, 1980 We will keep fighting with you and to make sure that your legacy shall continue.
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  292. Some people would let their personal ambition say, "You don't want me as President, so I don't want you." Bernie says, "Where can I do the most good?" and he does it. Truly an inspiration!
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  293.  @internetexplorer8234  We have literally elected the two oldest Presidents ever in a row. Trump (70) beat Reagan (69). I just don't think Bernie wants to run at 83. If he runs again, I'm all in, but Bernie never truly wanted to be President. He wanted to build a movement. Some people are just destined to be a Moses where Joshua has to actually go in.
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  294.  @Terry-nr5qn  So, we need a libertarian who wants to get rid of the existing social safety net and give people checks that are "below the poverty level for one person, which will force people to work if they want any life of meaning" all while saying that there won't be any jobs? Someone who sees no problem with wealth inequality and concentration? Someone who said that Bernie inspired him in 2016, but he couldn't be bothered to vote that year? Someone who wants a regressive tax? Someone who is indifferent to labor? I don't think so. He proved that he was not the one when he got all of zero delegates and never cleared 5% in any state.
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  295. If you just get rid of the cap completely instead of doing a donut hole, you end up with enough to never have to worry about solvency again.
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  296.  @ReVeralife  But you're not. Any minute that you spend organizing a protest in hopes that this will lead to the establishment finally accepting Bernie is time not spent organizing to get him to 1990. If Bernie wins Iowa, he wins New Hampshire, and he probably wins Nevada, too. The campaign has the funding and the staff to be ready for a big Super Tuesday push (the other day, I was at a phone bank party making calls to Minnesota) to capitalize on this effort. There are 37 days between the last contest and the convention. It will probably be obvious long before then if the race is deadlocked. That is plenty of time.
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  297. This is what people mean when we say that there is a good identity politics and a bad one. It is a sad thing the way a term for inclusiveness has been used for people who want to try to divide people on narrow grounds.
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  298.  @tourniquet3306  You don't think that landlords pass it onto the tenants? As to the larger question, the point is that the super rich manipulate their income so that it is not taxable, and a wealth tax is designed to fight that manipulation.
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  299.  @tourniquet3306  By taking income as stock options rather than salary, even when it gets cashed in, it is at a lower rate. If they die, and they still have unrealized capital gains, the rate at which they die never gets taxed. (Example: If Jeff Bezos died today, his kids could cash out Amazon stock, and the capital gains basis is where they inherited it, so they would get a 12-figure net worth and never pay a penny in taxes.) And I don't know why you are using the first person, because the wealth tax doesn't kick in until someone has assets of at least $16MM.
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  300.  @tourniquet3306  So, his kids get to keep hundreds of billions of dollars tax free? Estate taxes don't tax the dead. They tax the heirs.
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  301.  @punished12340  There are plenty of people of faith on the left. I suppose that you think that Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lewis were faking it.
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  302.  @ccole1255  I think you may be right. I have dealt with people or even polls that try to insist that being a person of faith is incompatible with being on the left, but I think this is a serious mistake, especially strategically. The cruel irony is that the people who now call themselves evangelical used to call themselves fundamentalist before they polluted that term, too. If they keep going this way, in 50 years, they'll try to call themselves mainline. Let's go! Mountaineers!
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  303. ​ @whiskeymonk4085  Oh, look! A scab.
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  304.  @whiskeymonk4085  And when Bernie goes, he'll have lived a full life and meant something to millions. When you go, if Coco is right that your second death is when no living person remembers you, your afterlife will be very short indeed.
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  305. Biden has enough delegates to win the nomination, so what would it accomplish?
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  306. You have to propose something that will get more than a handful of votes in order to move the conversation.
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  307.  @AshGreen359  Which means that he will defend it instead of trying to show that he is just like the Republicans on economic issues.
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  308.  @marconapolitano2821  Okay, let's say we get rid of government and realign or economic structure to perfectly match The Conquest of Bread. With no government, 1) who is going to ignore those field trips to the farm? 2) how do you deal with people who don't want to do their part in producing food? 3) how do you prevent someone from accumulating wealth again so that we don't end up right back at feudalism?
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  309.  Kommisar   1) In the book, Kropotkin does the math to figure out how much work it would take for each person to do the work to produce enough food for everyone. While he didn't use the term field trip, his idea was that it would be a fun excursion of two or three days a year for people to produce food. 2) I am well aware that we don't live in an agrarian society. The point is that with no money, no government, and no organization, distributing the food that gets produced becomes a lot less efficient. I could also ask who is going to maintain the roads so that the supply chain can continue to get the food to people. 3) You completely sidestepped the question of the accumulation of wealth. There will always be some way to measure the exchange of goods and services. Some people are better at managing the same amount. Therefore, those people will end up with a surplus. Eventually, someone who is not as good at handling money (I am using it as a general term for whatever society uses as the measurement for goods and services, even if not cash as we know it, so I am not talking about a semantic argument) or has some misfortune fall will need assistance. If there is no government, and over time the people who are really good at handling money are able to accumulate (and no government means no taxation or way to confiscate such wealth) to the point where people come to them. The cycle repeats itself. You cannot stop the accumulation of wealth without a government, period. Unless you want everyone to barely have enough to survive, but based on your response to the second point, you clearly don't.
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  310.  Kommisar   So, are you a hardcore lefty who is anti-anti-Trump, or are you a Trump supporter turning a blind eye to his attempted coup and his months of priming his people for that very moment?
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  311.  @marconapolitano2821  I'm sorry, based on your initial comment on a video decrying tax shelters for the obscenely wealthy and the pseudo-populist tone of your other comment, I thought I was dealing with an anarcho-socialist. I now realize that I responded to the wrong type of Underpants Gnomes thinking and that you are a right-wing libertarian. This will make me more informed about what I am responding to. 1) The Conquest of Bread is a famous book in anarchist circles. When mentioning his ideal society, the author says that most work will be unnecessary, as would be the divide between rural and urban. He uses some basic math to figure out how much work it would take per person in order to provide enough food for the population and insists that such work would be joyful, but call it a hunch, I don't think many will volunteer for shoveling manure. Since I initially misread you, that's what I was responding to. 2) And how does charity work on the aggregate? Before the New Deal, 2/3 of Americans over 65 lived in poverty, and this was fairly constant. With Social Security, senior poverty is now 10%. The begging everyone on GoFundMe does not provide all of our needs. 3) And what was the literacy rate and the percentage of the adults who graduated high school when private companies controlled schools? How long did it take to drive across the United States when private companies built roads, and what was their state of repair?
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  312.  @marconapolitano2821  What data? In the aggregate, charter schools do not outperform public schools. Yes, there are some high-performing charters, but also some very low ones. Even if they did outperform public schools, that still doesn't prove your point because [Homer Simpson whisper] they get their money from the government.
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  313.  @marconapolitano2821  So, Social Security is "the worst option possible" to ensure that seniors don't starve, but it reduced senior poverty by over 80%? Yeah, that makes sense.
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  314.  @marconapolitano2821  What is this Standford, and where is the study?
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  315.  @marconapolitano2821  On a more serious note, Social Security has been around for 86 years. I am 41, and longer than I have been alive, people have been insisting that Social Security is not sustainable, and its collapse is imminent. How long do you have to be wrong before you admit it?
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  316.  @marconapolitano2821  Oh, no. You're making the argument that a study proves it, so give your evidence.
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  317.  @marconapolitano2821  The Greenspan Commission was explicitly designed to collect more in payroll taxes before the baby boomers started to retire, and then to use Treasury bonds the surplus purchased to make up the difference. And there is always money coming into Social Security, so it is not a "crash." That is the point where we will run out of the Treasury bonds. A simple adjustment or elimination in the cap to the payroll tax is all that is necessary to address that issue. Do you just repeat everything that you've heard, or do you think them through?
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  318.  @marconapolitano2821  Well, if you are going to complain about the Social Security payroll tax being regressive, you should have no trouble with making it either less regressive or proportional. Be honest. Your beef with Social Security is pure ideology, because it disproves your notion that government can't do anything.
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  319.  Kommisar   Oh, look. You said Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Do you have right wing bingo yet?
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  320.  Kommisar   At least I know a) the difference between embarrasses and embarrassing, b) that right wing talking points don't get lefties to say "you're right, I should never post again" on a lefty channel, and c) I have actually read The Conquest of Bread, so I know what I'm criticizing. Apparently, you don't seem to understand when someone is critical of something, either. And again, the projected shortfall is easy to overcome. If the cap were doubled, it would be eliminated. If it were eliminated completely, it would more than double the projected deficits (which are based on a moderately pessimistic version of economic growth, anyway). I, for one, and confident that we can average over half of the GDP growth that we have averaged over the past 75 years, and that is where the projected shortfall estimates arise.
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  321.  Kommisar   "God, you're stupid!" Charlie Kelly, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia I quoted the book to criticize anarchism, dummy! I wasn't advocating anything. If you actually have any reading comprehension at all, you would have seen that my point was that it is an unworkable idea, because even if you were to go that route, with no one organizing it, no one would want to clean the stables.
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  322.  Kommisar   Apparently, you don't seem to understand what left anarchism looks like, and that it is actually closer to communism than the neo-feudal program that ancaps want.
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  323. Sarcastic Bernie is life.
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  324.  Ron Maimon  There were already enough votes to beat a filibuster. Dore fanboys who don't understand the rules end up looking like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KeG_i8CWE8 So, Bernie could either make the blow it up people happy by voting no, or he could actually push for something to help people. He made the right call.
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  325.  @noahvannote417  So, having literally just taken unified control 15 days ago, they should have already made it into law or they're being dishonest? Amazing the lengths that the people who play both siderism will go in order to maintain their perspective.
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  326.  @TTWGD3  And what would that left-wing party have accomplished? That 10-20% isn't going to when any seats, and it will throw elections to Republicans nationwide. Look up the 1912 election to see what happens when one of the major parties split, and what happens in the next cycle.
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  327.  @melaniel.s8990  Do you like the fact that the Republican Party has funded them for 20 years, including a lawsuit that, if they had their way, would have disenfranchised overseas absentee voters because they were too incompetent to fill out a petition drive correctly and too lazy to fill out a form to fix it? https://www.peoplesworld.org/articles/republican-election-sabotage-scheme-using-wisconsin-green-party-fails/
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  328.  @Viroquan  Bernie lost the Kentucky primary by less than a point.
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  329. @Nick Arjomand "your not stupid"? Here's a hint: if you are talking about stupidity, your os a possessive pronoun, and you're is a contraction for you are.
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  330. @Nick Arjomand Yeah, he's not that moderate. In 1972, he said it himself: "Except for civil rights, I'm a conservative," but two years later, he was working with segregationists to oppose integration, something he even defended last year by using the states rights argument. He is a right winger by instinct. The mere fact that he threatened to veto Medicare for All (something even Hillary didn't do) shows that he is taking the left for granted. And that is how we lose. Hint: picking Elizabeth Warren to try to pacify the left won't work, because we know what a fake she is.
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  331. @Nick Arjomand You only like him because you think he can win. That doesn't answer Amy's question. What about his politics or his character do you actually like?
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  332.  @mortyfromthed  What are you doing to help organize? And if you really think third party does anything, you clearly haven't been paying attention. Would four more years of Trump been preferable?
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  333. [Citation needed]
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  334.  discorperted  I didn't say otherwise. My point was that you can't say "the American people elected" anyone when that candidate was not preferred by the actual American people. Learn vocabulary.
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  335.  discorperted  Oh, you really got me good. You can't invoke the will of the people if you defend a system that thwarts it.
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  336.  @belasgirl6  I'm not disagreeing. My point is that fear won the day.
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  337. Which side are you on? Which side are you on?
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