Comments by "wvu05" (@wvu05) on "AOC Says Pelosi u0026 Schumer Need To Go" video.

@scroopynooperz9051 Jimmy Dore is irrelevant. His purpose is to dump on the left, because that is what his fanbase wants to hear. He is an angry Dave Rubin who is doing a better job of keeping his mask on. The mistake Rubin made was that he went too far and put an expiration date on his act.
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@Mydogslove2laugh Look at who ran against her. The challenges have always been from her right. Ford, Shuler, Ryan, Moulton. You have to replace someone with something better.
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@russhall1414 Jimmy Dore did nothing. He is a useful idiot and controlled opposition. When you pretend you are above it all, you lake yourself irrelevant.
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@respekted His audience is right wingers who love to see someone supposedly of the left dumping on the left, and people on the left to stupid to understand what he is actually doing. Much like the GOP is the Green Party sugar daddy, he is controlled opposition in the sense that he spends most of his time dumping on Democrats to make the purists feel better about themselves.
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@Dan0TheMano That is different than her position in House leadership, and that is up to the people of her district to punish. When she first won the leadership role, it was actually a win for the left. No one on the left had the clout to challenge her. Hopefully, Jayapal can build it for 2022.
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@Dan0TheMano She was not the point person for Bernie for five years. She was the point person for one year, and then they parted ways once she pulled this Never Biden nonsense. Then, she made the accelerationist argument to Noam Chomsky, so if she had gotten her way, Donald Trump would have won a second term. If you have a vote, it doesn't end up the way that she thinks it will. She does a great many things well, but if your underlying theory is one of accelerationism that has been proven false time and time again, the other assumptions that you make that spring from that will also be wrong. Demanding a floor vote will be worse than nothing, because Pelosi can then say that she gave you what you wanted, and it failed, so now it's time to shut up. And exit polls are completely unreliable on Medicare for All, because it all depends on the wording. I have seen it anywhere from 37-73%. There is a way to build support, and it doesn't involve meaningless message votes. It involves doing actual work. So, what have you personally done to fight for Medicare for All and build support?
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@VitruvianEngineer His fanboys think that he actually does things, when all he does is yell and distract.
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@russhall1414 What have you personally done to move the needle on Medicare for All?
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@russhall1414 You are aware that there is a list of cosponsors, right? You can start there. Let's just follow your logic. Let's say that this vote gets held and 60 Democrats vote for Medicare for All. Where do we have the resources and the network to primary 160 incumbents in a way that needs to be done? There is a reason why you make strategic choices. Anyone who thinks that you can get them all in one fell swoop is an idiot. Try to keep up.
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@russhall1414 Of Jimmy Dore has great ideas on getting things done, why doesn't he ever get things done?
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@russhall1414 So, if a grifter, an aspiring grifter, and an accelerationist say it, it must be so.
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@russhall1414 How does getting defeated in a landslide "show power"? We aren't the Freedom Caucus. We aren't nihilists content to get nothing done. If it loses by over 100 votes, it kills Medicare for All for a generation, and it burns any goodwill on things like student loan debt. No wonder you praise Jimmy Dore.
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@russhall1414 Jimmy Dore doesn't want to create a network for primarying. He wants to start another third party that will get nowhere and make it easier for Republicans to win. So, I ask again, what have you personally done to try to move the needle on Medicare for All?
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@cartermclaughlin2908 Jimmy Dore doesn't "mobilize" people for anything except pretending that Trump was better than the Democrats and they should vote third party. Telling people to demand a message vote doesn't do anything except make people like him feel better about themselves and make it harder for people like AOC to move the needle on things that debt forgiveness and a living wage where there is actually a chance of getting things done. Jimmy Dore is all about making people feel on the left feel better about doing nothing because they can't do everything.
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@russhall1414 I asked you first. What have I done? I have written and called my representatives in the House and Senate, I have signed petitions by any aligned group on the issue that I encounter at the federal and state level, and I have gone door to door to talk to people about bills by Bernie and by Jayapal to actually create more support. Spreading a YouTube video doesn't count as "doing anything," and he isn't arguing to try to actually pass anything, so that doesn't count, either. The efforts for specific bills actually are trying to get Medicare for All. So, once again, you're not actually doing anything for Medicare for All. You are trying to push a message vote that you know will fail, so you fail at actually doing anything to try to move the needle on Medicare for All. The things I did were to actually try to build support for the bill.
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@russhall1414 I don't need praise for my effort. I am pointing out that there is difference between building public support for a bill (and my Congressman since signed on to HR 1829, so I was part of a successful effort) and trying to get something that won't accomplish anything but will make you feel better. Now, as long as Evans is in Congress, we can actually hold him accountable.
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@russhall1414 Who is "we"? Not anyone who understands simple math.
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@russhall1414 Oh, yes, because the only thing that makes a difference is "fighting." No wonder you think Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski are strategic geniuses. The simple fact is that people were far more concerned with "electability" than ideology in 2020, and as the last 20 years have shown, Democratic primary voters as a whole are far less likely to dare to dream with a Republican President, thus proving accelerationism wrong. As long as people thought that Biden had a better chance against Trump, that was all he needed.
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@russhall1414 Let's see. Which is better? Knowing to vote against Evans in the primary and getting nothing, or getting a $15/hour minimum wage and movement on Student Loan Forgiveness and waiting to fight another day when the issue is within reach?
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@russhall1414 What "decades"? The only thing that has been tried for decades is accelerationists pretending like there is no difference between the two major parties and helping the one they agree with the least. And third party is a question of math, because if it gets any traction at all, it only increases the ability for Republicans to govern with minority support. The effort to take over the party has really only lasted for five years.
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@cartermclaughlin2908 He spent months saying it in the lead up to the 2016 election, and he debated Sam Seder about it. Now, we have a third of the Supreme Court put there by Trump, and once it became obvious that the best we could do was a 50-50 Senate, unable to do anything about it. Why would it weaken AOC? Because there are only so many aggressive pushes that you can make, and doing it with the sole purpose of embarrassing other Democrats means that they will be far less likely to give her anything. Also, you seriously need to look down the questions on Medicare for All. It does not translate into automatic support for single payer eliminating competing private insurance. I would love for that to be the case, but it is not. As long as a substantial portion of the population have that Pavlovian response to taxation (the polls show plurality support when the polls ask if taxes go up even if overall health care costs go down), you aren't going to get to 218 and 50. Putting up legislation with the sole aim to put a target on people's backs would backfire.
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@cartermclaughlin2908 Jimmy Dore has repeatedly said that Democrats who win are sellouts and won't do anything. Did you not pay attention to the last successful political realignment in this country? After the Goldwater defeat in 1964, did they keep pushing symbolic votes? No, they did actual organizing and built their strength. It took 16 years, and they had money on their side. We've only been at it for five. The squad is becoming a platoon. You don't call when you have a pair of twos. You build, and then you call when you have a royal flush. Showing your weakness only reinforces your weakness.
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@cartermclaughlin2908 "I wasn't alive during the French Revolution, but I know what happened." Paul Begala I was only a year old when Reagan won the Presidency, and the Goldwater election was before my time, but I actually read and study so I can learn. My point wasn't that the left will suddenly get money. My point was that grassroots organizing involves actual work and takes time. The nearest analog on the left was seeing the Populist and Socialist movements getting their ideas adopted by the Democratic Party, and that took 40 years. You're talking about giving up after five. And what happens after the bill's inevitable failure if you get your vote? Then, the establishment will say that they gave into our demands and wasted the time and money of taxpayers, and it will not come up again for quite some time. After the Clinton bill failed in 1994, it took 15 years to get something of similar scope debated, with a much smaller bill (CHIP) in the meantime. So, what are you doing to move the needle on Medicare for All?
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@cartermclaughlin2908 You think YouTube comments are organizing? They most certainly are not. That being said, what have your postcards said? If you are making Jimmy Dore's ask, you're not asking anyone to support Medicare for All, you are asking for a floor vote. That doesn't say Yes. And even if you did that, organizing isn't sending in a petition, it is getting other people to do the same. And there are differences between the fake activism Dore advocates and the real thing. He isn't trying to win anybody over. He just wants to embarrass people who won't bend to his desire. Here in Philadelphia, our efforts actually got two members to sign on (one who is a moderate with a lot of suburban voters and the least blue section of Philadelphia, and the other who got primaried in 2018 for his support of vouchers and charter schools). We did real organization, and Jimmy Dore wants to put people to sleep with fake activism.
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@cartermclaughlin2908 It doesn't take a master's degree in political history to know this. It just takes reading book. Insisting that you are absolved from knowledge because it was before your time is narcissistic. We have more knowledge than ever at our fingertips, and you are squandering it. YouTube doesn't help activism. It leads to echo chambers and people thinking they are making a difference. If you want to get things done, you have to actually meet with people where they are (obviously, there are limits while dealing with a pandemic, but you get the idea).
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@cartermclaughlin2908 I also have a job and a kid, and being a single parent complicates my activism to the point where the first thing I have to ask if it is a weekend with my daughter is if there is any sort of childcare available. (Philly DSA had a canvass in January, and you can see my daughter on the website in the picture because they always take pictures of everyone at grassroots events so that people will be inspired to come out the next time.) That being said, you're asking the right questions. This is a good thing. Any attempt at activism needs to go out to the people, because the real organizing is making sure that other people show up. If you want to go more into detail without giving too much away, what kind of area do you live in? I ask because it is a lot easier to organize in metropolitan areas. When I ran for the WV House of Delegates in 2006, even wearing a suit and a sticker with my name on it and holding a clipboard and pamphlets, someone called the cops on me. (It's practically a rite of passage in the world of door-to-door canvassing.) Still, that was the one precinct where I was able to find every single door, and it was the home of my best performance in the district. I say this not to scare you off, but just to let you know that as long as you're not selling anything, you are perfectly entitled to do so, and most cops will let you be on your way. The next step is to find the cause that most interests you. A lot of my Medicare for All volunteer work was inspired by Bernie, and I just happened to meet some Philly DSA people in my neighborhood and they told me about what they were doing. If you are in a union, that is another good way to get some activism going, but there may be some pushback from the people who like to play small ball. If there isn't an active group that is already doing the work in your area, there is probably a national group doing something in that vein, and many would love to have someone in your area. In college, I started a group affiliated with Americans United for Separation of Church and State on campus, and they literally mailed me a bunch of booklets, pamphlets, etc., to give away. Once we got recognized by the university, I got a booth at the MountianLair once a month and got to it. If you have any other questions about how to get started in grassroots organizing, let me know or feel free to ask anyone who mentions experience with it, and we will be glad for more hands to lighten the load.
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James Gray So, you'd rather people not get the supplemental unemployment?
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@Dan0TheMano So, the concession is to force a vote that you know will fail miserably just to give Pelosi another chance to say it's a dead end and kill it for a generation? Like AOC said, what is step two?
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@curiouscat3384 Bernie's 79. Should have have been put out to pasture instead of being allowed to run for Senate?
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James Gray Nothing's wrong with me. I don't listen to idiots like Jimmy Dore or grifters like Krystal Ball. There was one bill in March 2020: the CARES Act. It had the votes to pass regardless of what people like Bernie or AOC did. So, they decided to try to make it better. Bernie in particular got an amendment to add $600/week to unemployment. So, the choice was a) "show a backbone" and get nothing in unemployment or stimulus checks to the people, or b) use their heads and make sure that the things that they saw as important got added to the bill. The choice was clear to anyone with a brain.
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James Gray Bernie literally wrote the amendment, oh wise one. The fact that you didn't know that tells me that you had your head too far up the butts of Dore and Ball to know what was actually going on.
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Jimmy Dore is the Underpants Gnomes of pundits. What is the next step? Literally anyone not named Tulsi Gabbard who actually accomplishes things or wins is branded a sellout. Then again, Tulsi didn't win and she retired because she knew that her district had enough of her, so maybe that's why he picked one of the most starboard candidates as the One True Lefty.
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