Comments by "wvu05" (@wvu05) on "Tulsi Gabbard Delivers Possibly Dumbest Foreign Policy Take in History" video.

@texajp1946 Sad situation when people can't tell the difference between isolationism and peace.
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@CCJJ160Channels She started off as a right winger. The grift was when she backed Bernie.
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@in_wino_veritas Actually, she decided not to run for re-election when she saw the writing on the wall in 2019.
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@in_wino_veritas She's aged poorly, but a few years ago, she looked much better. She also wasn't doing this weird Elizabeth Holmes thing of artificially dropping her voice. In 2016, she was a mezzo, and two or three years later, she was playing a contralto.
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@ds8249 She is someone who once defended torture and compared the Iran nuclear deal to Munich. Those are just two of her biggest hits. What were her "reasonable foreign policy takes"?
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She was never second best. People only thought that because she cut a good ad, and was young and pretty. The slightest look at her record showed that she did her grift in reverse. Now, she is being her true self.
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@mcoffeecation2153 She was a Goldwater Girl in the mid-1960s. She became a Democrat near the end of the decade.
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@Rob_Cary Tulsi didn't have that Gray patch in 2016, and she was better at getting pictures of her good side. That being said, even her "good ideas at the beginning" were terrible beneath the surface. Her "peace" was really isolationism. And don't give me this "non-interventionalist" nonsense, because that was a Ron Paul rebrand, and plenty of people bought that nonsense to insist that he really wasn't that far right. She started her run playing both siderism on the wall, she kept playing wing woman to Biden, and she ended by voting Present rather than Yes on impeachment when she said that she believed the charges were true. She endorsed Bernie in 2016 in order to fend off a challenge to her left. That, and hatred of Hillary. Jacobin put it best in 2017: Tulsi Gabbard is not your friend.
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3:50 Darn right, David! It should be obvious to anyone who doesn't reflexively hate America or insist that we are in the wrong who started this, and who can peacefully end it by ending the threats and the posturing.
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@in_wino_veritas Apparently, she viewed this as appeasement that would somehow lead to Iran getting nuclear weapons in the end. I don't know why, but this was the right-wing talking point at the time.
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Sam Sepiol Your advice would make it easier for Republicans to get elected. Great strategy to get what you want! If you really want to win, you need to do the actual work of taking over the Democratic Party like the right took over the Republican Party after Goldwater.
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@Rob_Cary Even compared to everyone on stage, when you looked at their actual record, she was to the right of everyone not named Michael Bloomberg. Just because people didn't want to give up the fantasy doesn't make it any less true. Her voting record in the House was to the right of Beto, and they both started at the same time. Difference is that he wanted to win statewide in Texas.
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Sam Sepiol Am I to take it that your first response was sarcasm?
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@Rob_Cary The fantasy that she was the second best candidate. You said "before Warren showed her true colors," but that was after Tulsi showed hers. She started by playing both siderism on the wall, spent the summer sucking up to Biden on busing and Iraq, she agreed with Dave Rubin that she was the only Democratic candidate who loved America and said that every other candidate wanted open borders, and she voted Present (which is really No for cowards) on impeachment even after saying that she believed that Trump was guilty. Where is this evidence that she was second best?
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@Rob_Cary Ask people in or from West Virginia, and they'll tell you that he's a joke. A one-term state senator who gave up his seat to run for President only to drop out before the legislative session even started? He clearly got blinded by the attention. His policies weren't that far left, either.
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@Rob_Cary Beto was the second half of the pack to me. It's not my fault that her record is so bad that his was objectively better, and he had the excuse of trying to run in Texas for not being a lefty. My second was Williamson. Warren was either third or fourth for me before the primary voting started. What in particular made Tulsi anywhere near the top? Torture apologists who oppose non-proliferation deals and defend people like Assad, Sisi, and Modi are not my idea of a top tier candidate.
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@Rob_Cary Again, Warren did that stuff after Tulsi spent 2019 showing that her fake self was supporting Bernie in 2016.
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@Rob_Cary Again, look at the record. Yes, every candidate was at best a distant second to Bernie, but some were far worse than others. Objectively, Tulsi ran farthest to the right of everyone not named Michael Bloomberg.
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@Rob_Cary Yes, but not after resigning from the state senate. That is what destroyed his credibility. If a state senator is getting in the race, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the field will be incredibly stacked, and there will have to be something done to limit the number of candidates on stage. You keep saying that Williamson was a joke, but at least she had a couple of really good ideas and did the actual work to get on stage.
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@Rob_Cary If you read what Bernie has to say, you understand that he calls himself a socialist because deep down, that is what he wants. Instead of pushing for full socialism, he has spent decades expanding the limit of what is possible in this country. Even if Bernie had won, look at the pushback Biden is getting for what he wants. If Bernie won with a similar makeup of Congress, it would be blamed on someone so far to the left and you'd get nothing but centrists. Do you really think that appealing to gun nuts will help? The Republicans will always go more extreme on wedge issues, and only appealing to white men is a failing strategy, especially as the country gets less white, because speaking of wedge issues, that's what "anti-SJW" really boils down to when it comes down to it.
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@Rob_Cary You: Anti-SKE represents real leftism. Also You: We need to win over the right. Do you not see the failure of the logic there?
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@Rob_Cary "Free speech absolutism and policy over identity." There is no such thing as absolute free speech. You can't yell Fire in a crowded building when there is no fire, you can't libel, and you can't have kiddie porn. And the things that the "free speech absolutists" are complaining about are idiots violating terms of service for a private company, and when they make their own spaces that will be "truly free," without fail they end up starting TOS and the bigots get mad and leave. As far as "policy over identity," you have literally spent several posts insisting that the second most conservative candidate in the 2020 was second best. You're literally echoing the Dave Rubin argument.
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@Rob_Cary 1) Medicare is such a "crap program" that it is routinely the most popular or second most popular health insurance program in America. The one that it battles for number one? The VA, which is full-on socialized medicine. You're talking to people too far gone if they hate Medicare. 2) Those same people who "can't vote for a socialist" think that literally everyone to the left of Goldwater is a socialist. Again, they are too far gone.
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