Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Conservative Trolls Own Themselves On Healthcare" video.

  1. Cuba is a communist country, I will not believe much that comes out of there.
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  2. Single payer is so great in Canada that people die waiting for "elective" heart surgery "True versus reported waiting times for valvular aortic stenosis surgery" Can J Cardiol. “   Analysis of deaths while waiting for cardiac surgery among 29,293 consecutive patients in Ontario, Canada" Heart
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  3. TitanicGamer, what is wrong with getting rid of net neutrality? And what talking points? I see many attack Shapiro but never give reasons why he is wrong.
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  4. bohemianwriter1, anecdotal evidence is not strong. If we went by that than the US system is great by my experience. Objectively those countries have shortcomings and are not any better than the US.
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  5. TitanicGamer, they do lie, especially Cenk. I know because people have googled it just like he asked them to.
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  6. "Do you know what recant means? Google the word." What's your point?
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  7. gbnz53, it is more complex than that. In the US we offer more advanced testing and we have more R&D. I agree we have similar outcomes, but our R&D is what drives us and the rest of the world uses our R&D. Also, in other countries everyone is not covered as they have long wait times where people die.
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  8. Tyler Andrews, did you read the papers I cited?
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  9. So the government cuts funds in single payer? Great, thanks for giving me another reason to oppose it. I do not want to rely on the government.
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  10. "Thanks to the Canadian conservatives. He just said that. It's called sabotage. " So US conservatives will not sabotage the system?
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  11. Steakfries, so why do you want to allow that to happen? Why not push for a free market system where that problem will not happen?
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  12. We have a for profit system with many government barriers. We lack a free market system.
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  13. Pinkies Out, here is the problem. We do not have a free market system. In a free market system people can negotiate prices. Now you may say with healthcare we do not that ability to shop around when something extreme happens, and I will agree. Healthcare is inelastic with demand at times. But that is what insurance is for. With insurance we lack a free market system. Why? Because of the payroll tax. Well over half of the country, as in over 60%, receive their healthcare through their employer. Why? Because paying with benefit is a tax free way to pay employees where a higher wage means a higher tax thanks to the payroll tax. Because of that people rely on their employer for healthcare insurance and since insurance is a form of payment insurance has become healthcare. Instead of allowing people to earn a higher wage, shop for a plan that suits them that only pays for expensive, unplanned events like an accident, healthcare insurance pays for all of healthcare. Certain things should be paid for out of pocket as it can be planned. Eye exams, pregnancies, routine checkups, etc. If insurance did not cover that insurance prices will drop. Also, if people paid for those things out of pocket the price will drop. LASIK is a prime example in that happening. If people bought their own plans then insurance companies will have to compete and people can get plans they want. That will lower prices even more. Fact is we do not have any of that. Insurance is a form of payment at at job, thus it becomes healthcare. The consumer does not see the cost of healthcare, only the insurance companies do. The consumer cannot choose their plans as the employer does. Thus healthcare providers and insurance companies can just jack up the prices as no one is there to stop them. Now those on the left will say government can stop that, but providers will just lower quality as now the people are dependent on the government for healthcare. The dependency goes from business to government. Giving the people negotiating power is key. They don't have it which leads to high cost.
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  14. Every position in the extreme has asinine arguments. Bernie is not the extreme and he only uses appeal to emotion arguments and essentially zero facts. It goes both ways.
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  15. They don't, single payer is not the route to that.
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  16. I listened and I did not see anything to support single payer. They have zero peer reviewed papers from what I heard, they have zero statistical regression models, they ignored many variables such as health habits of the culture and the fact that some countries, like Norway and Canada, pump a lot of oil. Also, as for money, many do not pay healthcare insurance as their employers pay for it. Over 60%, at least, have their employers pay for insurance. So increasing their taxes means they will pay more money.
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  17. " Increasing their taxes means they won't have to pay for health insurance. " Many don't as their employers pay for it. I pay $0 in healthcare insurance. " Also, are you saying that Norway and Canada are richer than the U.S.? " In what ways? Norway has more productivity and higher GDP per capita. A lot of that is because of oil. "You know we gave trillions to corporations, right?" So you want this same federal government to fund your healthcare which is writing a check to big pharma?
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  18. " Lets try this again. Raising taxes means nobody pays for health insurance. That means employers don't have to pay for it either." So we have to work for less? Let me explain. Someone earns say $60,000 a year plus healthcare insurance and is taxed at, say 25% rate. Ok, now you raise their taxes to 50% and that employer no longer pays for healthcare insurance. That workers is not only working for less, they are losing money because of higher taxes.
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  19. "Where'd you get a 25% increase?" Around 50% of Denmark's revenue is taxed. Even without a 25% increase taxes will go up and people will be losing payment. Even if it goes from 25% to 30%, they are losing money.
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  20. adam perkins, Australia produces more oil than the US as well, so does Denmark. "NZ and AU have fewer people than the U.S both combined and have a very successful single-payer healthcare system" I know, socialist programs work better with smaller populations. You have less leaches holding it down.
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  21. "the company you work for is paying a lot of money to even keep you employed in the first place so why cant they take that money and pay you more or pay for more employees?" Because of the payroll tax. Why does the company pay with healthcare insurance to begin with? Because if they pay with a higher wage they have to pay a higher tax. Benefits are a way to pay people more without paying a higher tax. Ironically a part of Bernie's plan is to pay for healthcare with a higher payroll tax. "Also Norway and Canada as you know are not richer the the U.S. they have more productivity as you may have heard in the town hall because more of them are healthier. " The US is more productive than Canada. Norway is more productive but a lot of it is due to oil. They are number 5 in oil productivity. They are also healthier due to life style. For example, they eat out less than Americans do and eat healthier all around. The US is near the top in obesity.
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  22. adam perkins, the US is number 1 in cancer survival rate. In other countries people die. Everything comes at a cost.
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  23. "That is not in dispute but when insurance companies and big pharma can charge you through the nose for these life-saving drugs they know you will pay for you to live even though it might cost you your home and you can go to these countries and pay out of pocket for the same drug at a fraction of the cost here," Two things. One, our R&D is much better than those countries. Next, I agree that we have a problem with insurance. The reason why is because of the payroll tax where we do not have a free market healthcare system. Healthcare insurance has become a form of payment and thus insurance has become healthcare. I am all for solving that problem but my solution is go the free market route, not centralized the problem with only one provider, the federal government.
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  24. "ok so how much payroll tax with all the loopholes are they paying at the moment answer:0 loopholes" There are zero loopholes in the payroll tax. You need to understand basic tax code before we can continue. Loopholes are in income taxes, corporate taxes, business taxes, etc. Not payroll taxes. "yes USA is stupid for eating out so much cause they are not educated enough not to indulge?" We are educated, our culture likes to eat out. But even at that so the same government who runs K-12 education you want running our healthcare? "your points dont make sense to me maybe i'm to far gone knowing i will rather help all the people all the time then not at all." I refuse to help people who can't help themselves. "yes you are probably right in what you say and i know i dont have all the answers but it will help people and lower cost." It will not lower costs. " after all the studies i have seen and the rest of the world going to single payer i wonder why cant we have the same." Name one country with over 100 million people with a successful healthcare system compared to ours. " i mean at the moment we pay already more then the rest of the world and they all live longer " They live longer due to lower murder rates and healthier lifestyles.
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  25. leroy bobet, if you cannot get basic facts straight we cannot begin to discuss opinions. Businesses do pay the payroll tax. "You already do when you pay insurance like car insurance and your company paying for you. thats the meaning of insurance. do you honestly think when you pay for insurance you are paying for yourself? " Uh, another person who does not understand insurance. What is insurance? Insurance is there to deal with the in-elasticity of demand. There are cases where you need something immediately and do not have time to shop around, so insurance picks you up. If you get into an accident insurance will pay for a rental and repairs so you can keep going. But car insurance does not pay for oil changes and new tires even though they are needed for a safe car. Insurance companies can also drop you if you are not reliable. Car insurance can drop bad drivers or raise their rates. And you may never use car insurance. It isn't about paying for others. Car insurance is there just incase something happens. Please understand what insurance is. "dont want to, we can do all this by looking at all the other country and make ours better faster stronger and be the first if there is no other" So you want to look at small countries with low diversity? "How do you educate the country to be smarter better stronger when they dont have the right tools get there?" We have a K-12 education system.
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  26. leroy bobet, we are focusing on the payroll tax. Other taxes is another issue. I do not pay healthcare insurance. As for other insurance I laid out to you what it is for. It is in case I need it. I might not use it at all. I never said it was similar to me putting money in my bank account. It is money I might see and might not. I do not know. But I bought it just in case. Again, learn what insurance is. It is an investment you are making just in case things happen. Hindsight is 20/20, but I rather not take the risk. Healthcare work well in the US.
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  27. It isn't a bad argument, just because they have single payer does not mean it is a success. There are many variables involved. Canada and Norway can fund their programs with oil where we refuse to drill for our oil.
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  28. Praxis=US richest country in the world Praxis=US is only country with no single payer healthcare system Hmmm.........
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  29. Defense is 3% of GDP.
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  30. John Keim, Canada and Norway produce more oil than us. So does Denmark and Australia.
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  31. Praxis, it is per capita.
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  32. Adkins, they will say it is expensive and gets worse results without providing any evidence much like Bernie and his crowd did today.
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  33. "Tuition free college would cost $75 billion per year. " To start, the issue is about healthcare, but even at that what you said is 100% not true. You will be increasing demand while not increasing supply. Costs will go up and the value of the degree will go down.
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  34. "In another video you say the military budget is small." I never said the military budget is too small, I simply said how much of GDP it takes up. When did I ever say the military budget was too small?
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  35. Looking at Norway and Canada they can fund their programs oil where the US refuses to tap into their oil It is way more complex then either side is making it. This town hall discussion was a joke.
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  36. The entire town hall discussion was pointless. There were no opposing views and they gave no statistical regression models to support the idea that the US system is bad. You might as well get a group of conservatives up there with Ron Paul discussing a free market system, you would get the same result.
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  37. Praxis, what studies?
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  38. "My man have you ever heard of a newscast company call Fox News?" Yes. "This been done many times what you asking,." Not to this degree. But even at that I criticize them as well. The best was Cruz vs Sanders on this topic. Cruz destroyed Sanders as all Sanders has are feelings, Cruz had facts. That is all the left has are feelings.
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  39. Tyler Andrews, the WHO only gave one ranking that was ridiculed so much that they have not made a ranking since.
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  40. John Keim, I do not support those individuals either as they have talking points. I want and actual debate where people challenge each other. Bernie was never challenged here and neither was any one of those individuals. I am fair about this.
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  41. Praxis, the CommonWealthFund's ranking was based off of vague standards and they omitted many variables. For example, they omitted cancer survival rate.
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  42. Yes, Cruz had facts. What was wrong with what he said in the debate? My guess is you will not bring anything up.
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  43. Rusian Shopov, I did not miss the memo. I find this to be a waste of time. Also, we had a debate, Cruz destroyed Bernie. As for "experts", many will oppose them. Those "experts" gave out almost nothing in terms of stats and statistical regression. One said that Norway was "much better" than the US but did not give numbers showing why. Anyone can do that.
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  44. " You do know there this thing call Google right?" Is that you Cenk? " Debate is what Sander does best,.. Sander is the King in debate" I can out debate Bernie. He just goes on rants of "millionaires and billionaires" and 'the 1%". He has the same talking points. One of the best ones was when Denmark was brought up and Cruz had facts about Denmark's healthcare system, a system Bernie wants to copy. Did Bernie bring up his own facts? No, which is amazing considering he wants to copy that system. Instead he brought up that guy from Denmark who told his one anecdotal story. Despite that the fact that Bernie cannot bring up actual numbers and data on other countries' healthcare systems when he wants to model them is scary. Another is when a small business owner asked him about Obamacare and Bernie showed he had no idea how a business operates. Bernie is a fool.
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  45. Trump is pushing for more state rights and limited federal government. That is one reason why I support him.
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  46. No nation provides healthcare to all.
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  47. No it doesn't. What country are you from?
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  48. TitanicGamer, they don't give sources. Many times Cenk says to look it up.
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  49. If Bernie is so popular then why did his voters not come out and vote for many policies and politicians he supported?
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  50. Republicans still control almost everything
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  51. Laurette LaLiberte, if this were to happen I will be earning less money as my employer will no longer be paying me with insurance and I will have to pay a higher tax. Now before you say "your employer will have more money to pay you", that is not true. The only reason why employers pay with insurance to begin with is because of the payroll tax. They will not pay me more as they will then have to pay a higher tax.
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  52. Guindo, The, if you earn an income you earn enough to be taxed.
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  53. I am not scared of Bernie. This entire discussion was asinine. No peer reviewed studies brought up. No counter arguments. No statistical analysis done. Simply saying "Norway does it better" is not an argument.
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  54. Lori, he never did. In the debate against Cruz Cruz brought up how much Bernie's plan would cost and how we could not pay for it. Bernie never denied it. To Bernie it is simply "raise taxes". It is much more complicated than that. How is he going to account for limited doctors? How is he going to account for the major job loss and the economic collapse after the tax increase? How is he going to account for the limited nurses and researchers? It isn't as simple as raising taxes and everyone is covered. If it were we would have done it by now. Even with a corrupt government we would have done it and simply be using big pharma who gets a nice check from the government.
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  55. You can't move to Canada unless you have a job or money. They have strict immigration laws there.
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  56. The WHO ranking was criticized so much that they refused to make another one in almost 20 years. It compared the US to countries like Malta. It is a frivolous ranking.
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