Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "" video.

It isn't popular. Polls are unreliable.
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It isn't that easy.
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@theopkingdom3433 , M4A will not save us money.
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@Randor Zera , I have plenty of proof. All of history shows that. Look at the Community Mental Health Act of 1963 how it ended up costing more than projected and made our mental health issues worse in this nation.
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Vlad the guru , I have read those studies. There are a lot of red flags in them where they ignore many variables.
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Vlad the guru , take the Peri study for example. They talk about healthcare outcomes but never once mention obesity rates where the US ranks so high on. Another is that they acknowledge that switching to Medicare for all will lead to job loss in the private sector. Their solution is to give them a wage and pay for retraining and moving. They are assuming that people will be willing to just switch jobs and move. That means go through the pain of finding a new job, having to learn a new skill, having to sell their house (which the market price may drop due to job loss in that area), find a new home (which may be more expensive due to more jobs in that area), change schools for their kids, find a new doctor in that area, etc. It isn't that easy. They are ignoring that major element of the issue. They are also assuming that doctors will be willing to take a paycut. There is way too many red flags in those studies to take them serious.
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@zyrrhos , polls are unreliable as they are vague questions on complex issues to people who don't understand those issues. As shown with Obamacare when democrats passed it they lost congress. In Colorado when universal healthcare was pushed there close to 80% said no. Relying on a poll of vague questions that are being asked to people who are not informed on the issues is not reliable. Opinions change when more information is given. Read the following articles https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/
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@zyrrhos , sample size is still small. Plus, the main point stands, the question is vague. Of those who are satisfied, what is their health situation to begin with? How often do they use their healthcare? What is their income level? How many of them have experienced a different system? Take Medicaid for example. Receiving something is better than receiving nothing. How they experienced private insurance? I did read it. Apparently you can't think beyond simple headlines. Nice try though. Maybe actually learn to think about these topics next time and not blindly follow something that supports your bias.
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@zyrrhos , asking people if they are "satisfied" with something is not reliable for several reasons. People have different experiences and standards. To give an example I have an old RCA tv from 2006. It works for me and serves my needs. My friends said I should by a new one, a flat screen. I don't because I am "satisfied" with it. Others won't be though. Does that mean I am in the best situation I can be in? No. I can always get a better TV. But for my low standards I am fine. To give another example. Say I drove only Ford pick ups my entire life. They suited my need. But say a Chevy would actually work out better for me. I would never know unless I try. But if I don't I will be "satisfied" with the Ford as it does the job despite there being better options. The problem with polling is that opinions change when more information is given and there are many factors you can't include in polling. People on Medicaid are poor. They are typically poor due to bad life style choices and have low standards. You can't really compare their opinion to people who are well off and have their own insurance or have it through and employer as they will most likely have higher standards. And if the person on Medicaid never experienced private insurance or if the person with a private plan never experienced Medicaid, how is their opinion valid? I challenge you to respond to the points I made because apparently with your advanced reading skills you have done a lot of reading on this topic. Please, enlighten me.
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@zyrrhos , you apparently did not read what I sent. That margin of error is purely a mathematical abstraction. Also, you have not addressed my other points on this issue in how opinions change when more information is given. Asking people if they are "satisfied" with something when they have 1. Never experienced anything else and 2. Have different standards is not a reliable poll. You keep dodging the issues I bring up and completely show your ignorance on statistics and what those margin of errors really mean and where they come from. I suggest you study statistics more if you want to have a strong opinion on this topic.
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@jzburda , it makes completely sense. Asking people of varying experiences and standards if they are satisfied with something is not reliable. Healthcare is a complex issue with strong arguments on both sides. Pointing to polling data is not one of those arguments. Just because people are "satisfied" with Medicare does not mean medicare for all is the best solution. The issue is far more complex than that.
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@zyrrhos , you didn't refute the article because if you actually read it you would know that 1. Margin of errors are purely mathematical abstraction 2. Opinions change when more information is given Experience and standards are important here, that is where opinions change as more information is obtained. You are ignoring those points because it places a huge doubt in the article you cited. What did I provide? An article by a professor in statistics. That is not my opinion but his. I provided other variables that play a role in how these polls are influenced. That is what is taught in stats class and is a part of opinions changing when more information is given. Case in point, when universal healthcare was pushed in Colorado close to 80% voted against it. If it is so popular why did 80% said no? All you have done is mock the points I brought up and say "I have polls!" when I broken down how they are unreliable. How about you develop a counter argument as opposed to mocking what I said. Tell me, what does that margin of error even mean? Can you tell me that?
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@zyrrhos , add, going back to your original comment, you talked about how Bernie calling it "Medicare for all" increases approval ratings of it. So completely ignoring the details of the bill he just changes the name. That is being very deceptive.
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@zyrrhos , no, they are factors that are worth considering. And again, I cited a prof. of statistics saying that opinions change when more information is given. You claim you understand psychology. If you did than you would understand statistics as stats are used a lot in psychological studies. Also, you claim I have a "right wing" view on this when that is not true. I have a moderate view on this issue. If you understood psychology you would know that about me. I understand that healthcare is complex and that you can't make a strong argument off of polls. Again, the poll is a vague question being asked to people who are not experts on the topic. Opinions change when more information is given. That is why close to 80% of voters in Colorado said no to universal healthcare. That is huge. When Obamacare was passed Democrats lost the House because people did not like the major healthcare reform because people, for the most part, do like their healthcare coverage. If they didn't than many states would have passed reform by now. You have not countered any of the variables you brought up, you only mocked them. You point on me having a tail is not a valid argument. If I have a tail or not is something objective one can see. Healthcare is way more complex. People may enjoy Medicare who are on Medicare, but if they have never experienced private insurance how can their opinion be valid? Same for someone on private insurance? And if their standards are different how can you compare? Compare it to a homeless person. They would very highly satisfied in having a studio apartment. But someone with more money who has never been homeless will not and will want a bigger home. Standards. You can also get into the issues of if you start telling people about the tax increases, or the inefficiencies of Medicare how it took 40 years to cover prescription benefits, or how it will influence which doctor they see, etc. and then people's opinions change. Sorry, but if the best argument you have is a poll of non-experts giving their opinion based solely on their personal experience is all you have than your are not going to do well in these discussions. It isn't that the numbers disagree with me. It is that there are many shortcomings in these numbers. You should be aware of them. Your refusal to accept that makes you a radical.
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@zyrrhos , also, another big factor is that just because something is popular does not make it the best. That is why SC justices are not voted in as they have to make unpopular decisions. Same with the Federal Reserve. If polls showed that slavery was popular would you feel we should allow it?
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@zyrrhos , polls are unreliable, that is the point. Opinions change when more information is given. Also, the people who are polled are not experts in that field. The questions are vague and the issues are complex. And as that one source I gave you said, polls are a snapshot, not a trend. I can make many arguments against Medicare for all. If you want to go down that route we can. You talk about rankings where healthcare rankings are arbitrary. Anyone can do a legit analysis on the stats and come up with any ranking they want. For example, two professors showed that when you remove car accidents and murders the US is number 1 in life expectancy. http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf You say the US ranks low in life expectancy. There are other factors outside of healthcare systems that influence life expectancy. For example, the US is number 1 of OECD nations in obesity rates http://www.oecd.org/health/Obesity-Update-2014.pdf where obesity creates many health problems such as increase chance of cancer, increase heart disease, premature birth etc. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/obesity/obesity-fact-sheet https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20100720/obesity-may-increase-risk-of-preterm-birth#1 So you talk about us being low in life expectancy and outcomes of diseases you have to consider our high obesity rates. Also, the US has a high percentage of blacks compared to developed nations where blacks have a higher risk of heart disease https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/consumer-healthcare/what-is-cardiovascular-disease/african-americans-and-heart-disease-stroke None of those rankings factors those issues in making them flawed. This is not to say the US has the greatest system or that the US system should not be reformed. It is to show the complexity of this topic and to reduce it down to a simple ranking is rather foolish. The VHA is only one sector of the entire economy so it is easier to manage. You can't compare that to the entire nations. That is saying that The School for the Talented and Gifted excels and what they do can work in some inner city school in Chicago. You can't say that as you are dealing with different students. Now I do see the advantages of a government healthcare system of some kind. I just want it ran locally to cater to the people at the local level. A one size fits all policy will not work with something as complex as healthcare. There are advantages to having a government option of some kind, but we can't just go all in with Medicare for all. Also, we should strongly consider a free market system as well. Overall, though, I can easily argue against Medicare for all and just did. You said I can't when I can with many sources. I can give more if you want.
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@zyrrhos , in Colorado they voted for Bernie in the primaries and that is a left leaning state. Why did so many vote against Universal healthcare? Obamacare was Obamacare. They never once consulted with Romney in developing it. It isn't "right wing" as no republican supported it. It placed strict regulations on insurance companies. Funny how with Obamacare was passed Obama lost the house as badly as they did. Many republicans ran on repealing Obamacare at that time. Wrong again bud.
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@zyrrhos , but again, you claim I cannot form an argument against Medicare for all. You are dismissing the other side which makes you a radical. That is why you so blindly follow these polls.
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@zyrrhos , I provided a lot of substance and sources. I showed you factors that influence overall life expectancy beyond healthcare systems. I didn't dance around anything, I made a claim and gave you details in supporting that claim. That that those professors were making by eliminating car accidents and murders is that other factors outside of healthcare systems influence overall life expectancy. You can't make a direct one to one correlation between healthcare systems and overall life expectancy. If numbers and statistics mean nothing to me than why did I give you numerous sources that had numbers and statistics?
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@zyrrhos , that's rich. You claim I dismiss numbers when what I am doing is showing shortcomings in the numbers you are presenting. It is clear who are more knowledgeable in this topic based on the numerous sources I provided and how you can only resort to polls.
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@zyrrhos , you have not countered anything I posted. I countered what you have posted and justified my stance. For example, I said that polls are unreliable and I gave a strong justification on it in how opinions changes when more information is given. Asking people about complex issues when they have not done much work in them is not a reliable source. I showed you how healthcare rankings are arbitrary as there are many factors outside of healthcare systems that influence the numbers. You pointed to overall life expectancy where I pointed at other factors that influence life expectancy. Also, I posted an entire book and studies where you posted only articles. So I would say what I posted has more substance. Even at that the overall point is that this issue is complex. You are grossly over simplifying it. You gave data and I countered with data and your only argument is to say "you are wrong". Here is an expert on this issue http://keithhennessey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Kate-Baicker.pdf But you will just dismiss this with no justification.
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