Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Media Still Doesn't Understand Bernie Sanders Revolution" video.

But yet the US has arguably the best healthcare system in the world.
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"false if you look up global healthcare we rank 37th in the world...." The WHO ranking is unreliable. It has countries like Malta and San Marino in the top 5. We have football stadiums that can hold the entire population of San Marino. San Marino is a tourist place that attracts people with money. The US has over 320 million people. If you think that is a valid comparison then you are not thinking critically.
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Source? Look up the book "The Business of Health" By professors Robert Oshfeldt and John Schneider.
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"The USA actually has the worst health care among all major countries." Arguably no. "High cost per capita in the world" Mainly due to the federal government, and the only real problem we have "4th highest wait times in the world" Nope "high rate of medical errors" Depends on how it is reported " and the lowest satisfactory rate in the world." Opinions does not equal facts " This "The USA has the greatest everything" mentally is what buried the country " I never said it was the best, I said it is arguably the best. There are legit criticism of it, but you can't say it is inferior or that other countries are better when there isn't any statistical data showing that.
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https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf
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How about you read the book I linked.
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In other words if something doesn't agree with you then you dismiss it.
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Yeah, source?
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http://www.healthpolicyjrnl.com/article/S0168-8510(13)00175-9/pdf
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I never said the best, I said arguably the best. Every country has problems and they are all different. You can't simply say "country X is better". The main problems in the US healthcare system stem from the federal government. To let you think about it consider these two questions 1. Why do so many people get their insurance through their employer? Or, worded differently, Why do so many employees offer insurance as a payment instead of a higher wage? 2. Why does healthcare insurance=healthcare? Ponder those and give me your thoughts and I will give you mine.
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" Health care is a basic human right " No its not. You don't have a right to someone's services. "The ACA did fix some of the issues " The ACA compounded our problems by expanding the idea that healthcare insurance equals healthcare. "but it still left us heading in the wrong direction, a private health care system" What's wrong with the private system?
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Let me tell you the problem with our healthcare system, it all stems from the payroll tax. The payroll tax was expanded in the 60s. Liberals love to point to data that shows that wages have not been going up since the early 70s. What that data fails to take into account are benefits employees receive like healthcare insurance. The reason why employees pay through benefits is because it is a100% tax free way in paying employees more (because businesses want to). If they paid in a higher wage then they would have to pay with a higher payroll tax. So what did that do? That made employees dependent on their employer for healthcare. If they change jobs they have to get a new plan but it would be harder if they were older due to pre-existing conditions. Sound familiar? Also, people got stuck with a generic plan like women having to pay for Viagra.....again, sound familiar? If people got paid a higher wage they could barter with insurance companies to get a better deal and a plan that suits them. Insurance prices will drop. They can also use insurance for emergencies where basic things like physicals and checkups can be paid for out of pocket. Like car insurance pays for car crashes but not oil changes. But people can't do that because employers pay through healthcare benefits instead of wages because of the payroll tax.
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It isn't a human right, not even according to most of the world. The rights listed in the UN contradict itself. Article 24 says that there are limitations on working hours. We lack doctors. So if every doctor works their limited hours but someone needs care, then what? Who loses their right? We can't have opinions if you can't even get basic facts correct.
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So just by the severity of the issue determines who gets care? Why? I am a productive member of society. Say I need knee surgery. My jobs require me to be on my feet. Without surgery I am hindered in working. But just because it is not life threatening then someone, with no job can get care if they have a more severe problem then me. That hinders wealth creation.
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So I have to wait while my work doesn't get done. Meanwhile a competitor gets ahead in a competitive market and my career is screwed just so some bum can get care to go off and do nothing.
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I didn't say the rich. I want as many people possible to get care. The problem is that we keep pushing policies that make it more expensive. That stems from the federal government.
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We do it for extreme cases, as if they need immediate care or they will die immediately. But beyond that we don't do that. You are advocating for me waiting while someone who doesn't work at all gets care. I can't wait for a month and will refuse to. What you are advocating for is that only the rich get immediate care because they can afford to pay for it while everyone from the middle class on down wait. What I support is very few people wait if at all, and anyone who does is not a productive member of society anyway.
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I answered your questions so that is off the table. And no, I did not flip what you said. With your system you will have a group of doctors that will work privately that will charge more where only the rich can afford them. Everyone else, the middle class on down will be stuck with the same quality of care. The middle class won't be able to afford to pay twice for healthcare like the rich do. Compare it to the K-12 school system, the rich can afford private schools which have better staff and facilities, the middle class can't. The reason why we have income inequality is because of that, you bring the middle class down and the rich just run away.
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I will ask the two questions again to let you ponder why we have problems in the US system 1. Why do so many employers pay their employees with healthcare insurance as opposed to a higher wage? 2. Why does healthcare insurance equal healthcare? There is nothing wrong with the for profit system. LASIK is for profit and not attached to insurance at all. It has gotten better and cheaper. You are yelling about all the problems we have and I don't deny them. But that is not from the for profit system but instead is related to the two questions I asked. The problem stems from the federal government. Having more government is not the solution.
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"Should a health insurance company be allowed to deny coverage because of preexisting conditions? " Yes, but in the free market that won't happen. Especially is people got their insurance at a young age instead of getting them through their employer. I do feel it is a problem, but the problem exists from people getting their insurance through their employer. Let me ask you this. If someone refuses to get insurance until they are in the 50s, should they be allowed to? "Should a health insurance company be allowed to rescind coverage to someone who has paid premium after premium by looking for any excuse to pull from someone's medical records to deny paying for expensive treatment, such as falsely claiming unreported acne were cancerous skin legions? " Yes, but again, that won't happen in the free market. If an insurance company is doing that then no one will use them. "The preexisting condition I was born with means I could not ever get health insurance through no fault of my own. Is this acceptable? " What is your pre-existing condition? What is your age? I know people born with diabetes that got insurance. In the free market a company will pick you up. It also comes down to why is insurance=care? " If you want a private system, you have to be prepared to regulate it heavily or have some government option to cover those the private market refuses to cover" The government and regulation is what causing our problems. "At the end of the day, private insurance is about making a profit." Which isn't necessarily bad. "Insuring someone over the age of 65 is not profitable, " It was if that person got their insurance at the age of 25. " Insuring someone born with Cerebral Palsy is not profitable" In some cases it will be. They may not cover the treatment for cerebral palsy, but they will cover something like care if they were in a car accident. It comes back to why does insurance=care? "What do you propose we do in these instances? Let them die? Let them go into debt from medical bills? " With a private system cost will go down. If someone is born with a disease they will live with that their entire life. They will have healthcare providers compete for their business. Instead insurance companies become a middle man where prices are not compared and there is no competition. Again, why does insurance=care? Insurance companies do the things they do because of no competition. It comes back to why do so many employers offer insurance as payment instead of a higher wage?
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Again, my two questions. 1. Why do so many employers offer insurance as payment instead of a higher wage? 2. Why does insurance=care?
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I just answered you questions.
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So Bernie wants to reform the democratic party when he was an independent for his entire life? So Bernie is anti establishment when he is a career politician himself? So a revolution is unorganized, unplanned action by a group of children? This is all about Bernie. He has been a career politician that is doing this as his retirement party. After the primaries he will disappear and no one will know who he is a few years from now.
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Bernie has never done anything productive in his life. All he has done is spew his appeal to emotion rhetoric and expand the government allowing it to become more corrupt. This guy complains about a corrupt but meanwhile wants that same government to control more of your money in higher taxes. He is a nut.
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Bernie wants the corrupt federal government to run our healthcare, college education, retirement, and more of our tax dollars. And he somehow thinks it won't become more corrupt.
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No one cares. This is no different than the Berkeley riots. What happened after that? Reagan became president. This can also be compared to OWS. What happened after that? Republicans took over congress. The reality is that this "revolution" is being led by a bunch of ignorant, emotional children. It has no organization, it has no real goal. It will die off and disappear.
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" want tax money already paid to be allocated to better fit the needs" Learn about supply and demand. It isn't that easy.
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To start, healthcare is not a right. You don't have a right to other people's services and property. Even if we had an abundance of doctors (we don't), you can't just force them to give up their services. Next, we do lack doctors, nurses, professors, TAs, and researchers in the medical field and colleges. It is a problem. To work a high skilled job like that it is a lot of work and stress that very few are willing to do. I support pushing people to take on higher skilled jobs like those, but Bernie doesn't seem to. Bernie wants 1. $15/hr min. wage which will lower in incentive to get out of a low skilled job 2. guarantee healthcare to people 3. guarantee vacation time 4. guarantee maternity leave 5. guarantee retirement 6. guarantee jobs Why work hard when you are promised so much in life? One reason I work hard getting a PhD doing scientific research because I want to have those things. But if I am promised them then I would go back and work at Burger King my entire life. The problem with Bernie supporters is that they have no idea how they are going to provide those things to people. People ask "how is he going to pay for it". Bernie supporters yell "TAXES". It isn't that simple. If it were I would support it. The issue is that where is the wealth going to come from? Why work hard to develop new wealth when you are guaranteed those things from Bernie? This is why the top are taking all the wealth and income. They are the ones creating it all while we have a group of people, Bernie supporters in this case, that just want to take but don't want to put forth the effort to create more wealth. We have 30 million people without healthcare because we have people asking for it instead of pushing people to work in the healthcare industry to increase the resources in it.
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Those countries you point to are completely different than the US. You can't compare. They have much smaller populations and different societies. For example, their universities don't have the NCAA.
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I have, what's your point?
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I am for reform, it just has to work as opposed to creating more problems.
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Like what? What worked?
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That doesn't show anything. All it shows that some countries have it and others don't. It doesn't show that it works.
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"Nearly every nation has it." Which means nothing. We are one of only two nations to put a man on the moon. Our university system is the only one with the NCAA attached to it. You saying "every nation has it" means nothing. All those nations have something different and run it in a different way. "Healthcare? The cluster fuck system that we have hasn't been working." The US has arguably the best healthcare system in the world. The main problem is cost. I will give you two questions to ponder on about healthcare and why we have problems which I feel stem from the federal government 1. Why do so many employers pay with healthcare insurance instead of a higher wage? 2. Why does healthcare insurance=healthcare?
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I never said the US has the best, I said it is arguably the best. Read the book "The Business of Health" by Robert Oshfeldt and John Schneider
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https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf
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The WHO is the worst ranking you can go off of. Beyond the fact that these rankings, to quote professor Oshfeldt of Texan A&M, "are arbitrary", the WHO ranks us against countries like Malta and San Marino. We have football stadiums that can literally hold the entire population of San Marino. That is a country that runs off of tourism. Of course they are going to have healthy citizens. That is not a reflection of their healthcare but their lifestyle. The WHO is a completely frivolous ranking.
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I don't care who agrees with the list, it is comparing the US to countries of much smaller size and less diversity. You are removing several variables and limiting it down 1. they are countries 2. they have healthcare Anyone who takes that list seriously is foolish.
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1. Being smaller means you can micromanage programs like that easier, also you deal with less diversity 2. And the US has arguably the best healthcare system in the world 3. Variables such as diversity, lifestyles, history and so on. Also it isn't as easy as taxes. Lean supply and demand.
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When you say NZ I assume you mean New Zealand which has less than 5 million people. The US has at least 30 states with a larger population. "None of our countries has 25% of population without health cover," That's debatable because inferior coverage is basically the same. And people die for lots of reasons. That 45,000 stat is fuzzy at best.
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Just having coverage isn't grounds for success. If the quality of healthcare is poor then why does it matter? I do agree that we do have a problem with insurance in the US, but that stems from the federal government. I will ask these two questions. 1. Why do so many employers offer healthcare insurance as a payment as opposed to a higher wage? 2. Why does healthcare insurance=healthcare? Considering how the problems of the US system stem from the federal government the last thing we need is more government in our healthcare.
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Our healthcare system has problems, but the main problem is cost which is due to actions done by the federal government. I never said the US system was the best, I said arguably the best. It has problems but so do other countries. I will ask you two questions to let you ponder where our problems come from. 1. Why do so many employers pay their employees with healthcare insurances instead of a higher wage? 2. Why does insurance=coverage?
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The idea of a closed primary is to prevent an outsider from coming in and messing up the party, like what Trump did to the republicans. They can still run for the general election. The DNC and RNC don't have to hold a primary, they can always just nominate their guy.
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If you don't like the rules then vote in local elections and change them. Remember that Bernie was an independent his entire political career and then changed at the last minute.
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