Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Ben Carson: Forget Economists, My Tax Plan Is 'Biblical'" video.

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  6. Caius Filimon I do see the harm in a flat tax. At the same time this country was designed on state rights where the states were to micromanage domestic issues such as domestic economic policies. Federal taxes was a tax on the states based on population. That is one method I support. I also support a flat tax at the federal level. One issue we have in this country is that the IRS lack workers to actually track who is paying taxes correctly especially when you consider all the cuts. That is why it is so easy for me, and my co-workers to lie on our taxes and pay almost zero on our 1099s. What you said here "Few governments do that effectively as they don't know how much to invest in whatever they have to. Besides, 'democracies' such as the US would never be able to make its economy to prosper long-term because the government is far too divided for that, and corporations have far too much say in politics, so much so that Ivy league unis no longer consider the US a democracy or republic." is key. With state rights you limit the corporate influence on government. That at the more local government is the easier it is to control and the easier the people can see if government actually works for them. A tax system that is not a flat tax at local level can be very beneficial. At the federal level it isn't because a country the size of the US shouldn't have such tax codes, it should either be a flat tax on the citizens or states. The other advantage of stronger local government is that people can see how their tax dollars are being spent and if they are actually being invested. One thing that bothers me about economics and when people talk about the economy is how they disregard one major factor, what money is. Money only derives it's value on the wealth it creates such as goods and services people desire. At the local level people can see if their tax dollars are being spent in a way they want such as the type of education they want or welfare. At the federal level you don't see that so you get frivolous spending such as the St. Louis Arch. While that helped out St. Louis it hurt the rest of the country because they didn't demand that. In all what grows the economy the most is intelligent investment to generate more wealth. That is complex thus should be left up to the states where at the federal level we need a flat tax of some sorts. Micromanaging the economy should be left up to the states, not the fed. This is my overall stance on the issue. I like listening to all sides of the argument and you did bring mature insight on the issue. The key thing that everyone has to remember is that this economy is complex and finding a way to limit that should be priority number 1.
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  10. Ylze Tyr Actually I never say anything, I type everything. As I said, if I were telling this to you then you will have nothing to rebuttal against because you won't be able to attack my grammar. And it is because of lack of sleep, this is finals week. I had to give and grade two finals and take finals myself. That and this is a youtube comment page, who cares about grammar? I have seen poor grammar by you as well (which you have corrected at times). When people get more money but don't produce more wealth that doesn't help the economy. I told you this. Money doesn't drive the economy, goods and services do. Money derives it's value from the goods and services it produces. If someone is making 20 widgets an hour and gets paid $10/hr, and then a law requires that they get paid $15/hr and they still only produce 20 widgets, now those widgets are going to cost 50% more (or the company will cut hours). That is the issue. That is as basic as it gets in economics. You have been extreme in your position as well. You said that states that have raised their min. wage has seen more jobs. That is being extreme since there are several factors that are involved in job growth. As I said in my state, low taxes are leading to more growth despite a high min. wage. The fact is that theory and evidence show all negative effects and zero positive. My anecdotal evidence holds. I work a job that has tens of thousands of workers that are independent contractors that have 1099s and they get the same tax breaks. They work a job not many can do thus the average worker gets hurt by having to stick to a W2. The federal tax code tries to micromanage. What works for one area might not work for another in terms of tax breaks. That is why it isn't broad. If you can't see that in a country of 300 million people then you are at a lost (but you also feel a $2 min. wage increase leads to job growth so go figure). Nobody paid those high rates in the 50s. Look at government revenue as percent of GDP. That reason for what Barr said was to get tax reform because no one was paying those high rates. They lowered the rates that were in the 50s to get more of the rich to pay more. Learn some tax history.
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  18. Ylze Tyr Actually I was saying the benefits of a flat tax which another person pointed out as well. I have also showed support of state rights and have mentioned how a progressive tax has benefits at the local level. I said that in other comments. You failed to read them and acknowledge them. You see, the difference between you and me is that I actually get into detail on something when you just look at one thing and make a general determination on it. Let us use the example of the min. wage. You are "Y" and I am "W" in the typical conversation between you and me. W: There isn't one good reason to even have a min. wage. It kills jobs and raise prices Y: You moron, look at the states that raised the min. wage, they have seen job growth (cites some questionable source) W: There are a lot of factors that are involved in overall employment. A small increase in the min. wage gets lost in the complex economy we have. It gets lost in what is called the statistical noise. You learn in advance stats, a grad. level course for MBA students, on how to remove variables to see what happens. When you do you see an increase in youth unemployment when the min. wage goes up. Prices go up as well. That older worker earning $15/hr is not going to lose their job, it is the worker with no prior experience or skill. Y: I doubt you ever been to college. You are some child who knows nothing. Look at all the job growth. Citation needed. W: (gives citations some from universities). As I said, you are looking at overall job growth. My state has a min. wage higher than the federal. Due to low taxes and regulations we just got a businesses that open up that pays $26/hr starting. If the min. wage was $30/hr in my state they wouldn't come, but at $8.50/hr that means nothing for that employer, what matters is lower taxes and regulation. Again, overall unemployment is effected by several variables in a complex economy. When you remove those variables you see what economics predicts, less employment for unskilled workers. Y: Says something immature. W: Ignores Y because W has to work and has better things to do than deal with a fool. That is typically how our discussions go. I break something down and get into detail where you don't and resort to name calling and being the grammar nazi. Even with this flat tax discussion you disregard me right away and then cite some questionable source with numbers that don't mean anything unless put in some sort of perspective. So the highest tax rate dropped a lot? Big deal. As I said, look at government revenue as percent of GDP, you get a different number. Or what were the cuts then during those high rates? You have to dig deeper. This is why I am in the position I am in with grad. school and you aren't. I actually think, you just spew talking points that you heard on some left wing talking show. You are no different then Alex Jones fans spewing hatred towards the government.
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  20. Ylze Tyr I actually didn't destroy my own argument but instead strengthen my position I support. Ben Carson is talking about a federal flat tax. I support state rights and at the federal level you have to be broad, thus you need a flat tax of some sort either as a flat income tax or a tax on the states. You just jumped to conclusion and say asinine things like you always do. It isn't so much that your source is questionable but more of what do those numbers mean? You can't throw around numbers without putting them in context. Let us give a couple of examples, I told you about the min. wage and overall jobs. My state has a min. wage higher than the federal but we have job growth due to lower taxes and regulations. That new business coming into my home city pays $26/hr starting. That $8.50/hr min. wage means nothing to them, taxes and regulations do. Another example moving away from economics is that in MLB in 1996 there were more home runs hit then in 1995 and 1994. At the same time those two years were shorten seasons. It wasn't that players were hitting more homeruns, there were just less games. You cite tax rates, so what? What about tax breaks? Right now the top 10% pay 70% of federal taxes. The top 1% pay 24%. You mention higher corporate taxes, in the 50s global trade was nothing compared to now. You complain about rich people moving their money off shores. The rich has the ability to do that due to resources. Higher tax rates get them do that. You never put any of that into context. You just say "look at these tax rates" and that is it. I, being the more intelligent person says "ok, and......" looking for you to bring up a point but you don't and just avoid the issue. Also, on higher tax rates, if I were to ask if you want 30% of a pie or 15% of another pie you should ask what is the size of each pie. Because if that 2nd pie is 4 times bigger than the first then you would be wise to pick the 15%. You see, you have put things into context. If you don't then you are no better than those individuals who lobbied to say smoking was good, or that worms fell from the sky.
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  22. Ylze Tyr It does strengthen my position because at the federal level a flat tax is the only way to go. With a country as large and diverse us the US the federal government is not in the position to micromanage tax policies, that is up to the states. At the state level if a progressive tax is put in place and it works then fine, if it doesn't and people with money leave then fine, at least they will be in the country still. You mentioned earlier how people who are rich are moving money off shores. That is what happens when you have an unjust federal tax system. You either have people who are intelligent like me who have jobs that get a 1099 and thus pay little to no taxes, or they move their money off shores because they have the resources to do so. In both cases the rich, who you despise, take advantage of the system. That is why a flat federal income tax is the best which was my original argument. Your original argument was that it won't work and you double down on that those with money move it off shores, well there is a reason why, the federal tax system is not equal and motivates those with money to move it to pay lower taxes. Now on to my numbers vs yours. You mentioned now tax rates were lowered. That is true but it doesn't account for breaks the receive or percent they actually paid. My numbers are put into perspective that the rich do pay a majority of the taxes, even you new questionable source (more on that later) says that. So my numbers had context, your numbers had nothing. Yes percent drop but what else? The tax code is very complex, just looking at percentages doesn't matter unless you relate them to something. I related my numbers to something you didn't. Now onto your source. It is from whitehouse.gov. Right now the Obama adminstration is in control. Imagine what it will say if Romney was in charged? I imagine you would stay far away from that source. Right now that source has a liberal bias. It also shows that the rich pay most of the taxes and it mentioned the Buffet Rule when Warren Buffet took advantage of the tax breaks making him a hypocrite. In all your source is not at all reliable. Unless you source it when a republican is in office you doing an extreme form of cherry picking.
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  23. Ylze Tyr I did strengthen my argument because we were talking about federal taxes at the beginning. Now if you want to talk about state and local taxes we can but this was about taxes at the federal level so I support a flat tax. If you would have read the rest of the comment I went on to talk about state rights and how states set up their tax policies and how it can be different, but at the federal level I support a flat tax because it is the best way to go. You can try as hard as you can to say that I contradicted myself but just because you refuse to read or acknowledge what I wrote doesn't mean that I contradicted myself, I strengthen my position. Go back and read the comment again. Your source did give context, but it is from a bias source. If I were to quote something from Peter Schiff you would rip on it as much as you can. Or if I were to quote something from Whitehouse.gov if Romney was president you would deny it any way possible and the quote something form MSNBC or some other left leaning source (or give out numbers without context again). "Reality has a liberal bias", really? You are going to bring that up? Like how? We can look at the US. Which places have the least crime and lower forms of income inequality? Rural areas that typically vote republican. We can play that route. Why is it that spending in K-12 education has increased but the quality hasn't? I can really go on to ruin your whole "reality has a liberal bias" idea. My state has low taxes and we are growing in jobs. As I said we just had a company come in that is starting out at $26/hr, and that is not including the indirect effects. Seem like the tax cuts are working there unlike in CA where they have no money at all. Your source was written by a liberal who is doing his job as a politician to get votes for Obama. He is making more than you with less work (assuming you work). You bring up Fox News as well. I don't watch Fox News. News sources are not news, they are entertainment. Plus that poll is questionable as well. Unlike you I actually question things and look into them instead of taking things off of face value.
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  24. Ylze Tyr You are starting to fall apart. When you have nothing intelligent to say you just mock me. I told you my stance and what I say supports it. And when I do that you try the best you can to break me down but in the process you look more foolish. You mention a liberal bias source. I never doubted if what they said were true or not, what I am saying is that it doesn't tell the whole story. Smoking cigarettes causes weight loss, I don't think people would be saying smoking is healthy though. Me being a moderate I despise liberals more than conservatives for 2 reasons. One, they are extremely broad in what they say and support. The refuse to go into details about about anything because the second they do their argument falls apart. My other issue is that they want to force their way of living down others throats (more so than conservatives). You want a progressive tax. I told you that might not work in some areas. So set it up in your state and set a flat tax at the federal level. Don't ruin other people's lives just because of your pure ignorance of ego. Have you ever thought for yourself for once or do you just go with what other liberals say? I use to be extremely liberal, I also use to be conservative. I have since then grown up and thought for myself. Looking at other sources isn't bad. Your source you provided brought some good insight, but at the same time it is bias and can't be taken off of face value. This is why, as I keep saying, I actually know what I am talking about, I actually think. You just continue to act like a fool. You would be the type of person who wouldn't watch a Peter Schiff or Milton Friedman video because you wrote them off already. I will watch them with the mindset that they are bias (especially Schiff) but still watch them. That is the difference between you and me, I actually think, you just follow blindly.
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