Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Some Facts For 'A Day Without A Woman'" video.

" Many jobs don't have a way to definitively measure individual output" Yes they do. For those that don't they are typically lower skilled and people are paid the same. "Especially for things like STEM fields and intellectual labor. How do you measure output among a group of scientists?" Number of publications. Number of grants they bring in. In R&D you can measure how many new things they create. In STEM fields that is the one field you can measure output easily. "But, I can't answer your question because you've gone between implying I can't say what an employee is worth to saying if an employee is being paid less it's because they're worth less or less valuable " I am not. What you are saying is that the government can make that determination when they can't. If they did and were honest about it than it will reveal that women are less productive, as a whole, than men. Businesses go off of productivity. If you are a woman and are productive, and the company you work for does not pay you well, a rival company will.
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On men in prison, here is liberal logic from people like TYT. They call the justice system racist since so many blacks are in prison. But there are also more men than women in prison, why don't they call the justice system sexist?
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A86, it being large makes it unreliable. You are creating a large range to account for more variables which means you did not eliminate all non-discriminatory factors. In statistics there is a limit in range size. With my line of work I push for a 5% or less error. "If companies want to stop hiring women because they're being forced to abide by the law, you can take away their funding," So now you support fascism? What if a company only hired blacks or women? "boycott them" That's capitalism. "Executives tend to be hired based on who they're connected with" So. The fact that there are women in executive positions means they can hire only women if they want to, or that women can become successful. As I said, the CEO of GM has an engineering degree. " You honestly think Trump or Ken Lay got to where they were being the best?" For the most part, yes. "We also have stidies to show if you're the best and a minority, you're less likely to get hired." Doubt it.
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Around 90% of work related deaths involve men
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A86, the earnings gap exists for several reasons, one of them is not sexism. Men work more dangerous jobs and are thus paid more than women. That is one reason why the earnings gap exist. But, as a whole, pay gap between men and women is a myth. Another example is how more out number women in engineering degrees by large amounts. I teach the engineering base physics lab this semester. I have 47 students, 5 of them are women. Engineers earn way more than most degrees.
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A86, one, that 4-10% is a wide range. Next, from studies I have seen it is only around 2=3%. That 2-3% at that point is just noise. But I have never read about a 9% gap. Also, if a business can hire a woman to do the same work as a man but pay them less, why don't they just hire more women? It goes against the left's idea of businesses being greedy. And yes, there is danger pay for the most part. Alaskan fisherman get paid very well for example. A trashman or ditch digger is not that dangerous. And I agree, a lot with STEM degrees don't work in STEM fields. That is because with a STEM degree you are a problem solver, especially with a math, engineering or physical science degree. You have the ability to see patterns and model them mathematically. You have the ability solve problems. That is why around 30% of CEOs have engineering degrees. They can think outside the box. I am a doctorate student in physical chemistry and right now I am taking MBA courses to get an MBA on top of my PhD. Those courses are easy for me in terms of the math where others struggle.
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A86, your range is still wide. Plus, I would like to see where you get hour data from. My question if not silly as illegal immigrants are 1. Illegal 2. not skilled The point was that if a worker can hire a woman to do the same job at a lower rate then why don't they do it? "Even though illegal immigrants, women and minorities are paid less than native-born Americans and white men, it's because they're thought of as less-skilled and less competent." Maybe because they are low skilled. More men go into engineering and computer science where more women go into elementary education and liberal arts. So as a whole they are less skilled. You are now saying that these successful businesses are so dumb that they can't realize that a woman they hired is more skilled an productive than a man.
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Also, I am not a right winger. I am a moderate. You calling me that already shows your bias.
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Ok, I agree with ditch diggers and roofers. But miners and fisherman are paid well and those jobs are dangerous. That is why I said for the most part. There are other factors involved as well that determines pay. Not every job is paid equally for a reason. ". InCapitalism the idea is to psychologically employees as little as possible. Maximize program and minimize costs " It goes both ways. If you are not willing to pay someone than no one will work for you. My dad works in a factory with lead in the air and it very dangerous. They have a hard time finding workers so they start everyone out at $26/hr. They give them all safety equipment that is top of the line and they pay everyone one hour of work to take a shower before they leave. Look at mining. It is very dangerous and miners are paid well in my state. If they weren't no one will work for you. So your idea of capitalism is empty. Also, you are contradicting yourself. If a business can hire women for less than they hire men, why don't they? "While fewer women have an interest in STEM, studies have shown less women go into those fields partly because they feel they won't be taken seriously." There is an argument there, but you don't blame that on capitalism nor do you make laws to arbitrary pay women more.
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With ditch diggers and roofers and trashmen, those are small companies and usually have a few workers. They are not paid well because essentially the boss is the consumer. For example, in my hometown landscaping, roofing and trash companies are all small businesses basically ran by three or four people who splits the profits. They are not big companies. So that is also why they are paid little. You are making it sound like they are a company that hires 50 or 100 employees which is not always the case.
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"but it can reward it in a sense since the goal in Capitalism is to pay people the least you can get away with" On the flip side people want to get paid more and want goods and services to be better and cheaper. So it goes both ways. Employees and consumers want things in their favor as well. So businesses just can't pay as little as they want and numerous evidence shows that is the case. "Danger pay does exist, but it's mostly for dangerous jobs with low Labor Supply " That is supply and demand. "I don't believe in arbitrarily paying women more, I believe in enforcing laws to enforce laws to pay women what they're worth to begin with." Who determines what they are worth and how is it done? Also, if a woman is that productive a rival company will hire them.
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"Now we're coming down to bargaining power. In non-unionized jobs employees have little to no bargaining power. " Not necessarily true. Individuals can bargain all the time. Also if unions become too overpowering themselves businesses can just leave meaning more people lose jobs. " So many companies can indeed pay whatever they want because there's always someone else who'll take your job if you're not satisfied with the pay" Than you as a worker have to 1. realize that you are not worth that much 2. find a way to become worth more " Employers and employees don't have equal power. " Yes they do. " Illegal immigration " Should be removed. "Simple, compare her work hours, education and qualifications" But don't compare how much they produce? The key part is how much they produce. Just because someone puts in the same amount of hours, have the same education and qualifications as someone else does not mean they will produce the same. For example, three of my co-workers, one male two females, have been working at a job longer than I have. They have the same education level and same qualifications. . But me in less years have produced more. That is why I am on track to get paid more. So there is a lot more to it than just education, qualifications and hours of work. In your scenario businesses will just fire the women than. "Force employers to explain why some employees are being paid less for the same job and same hours." Sure, we can do that. If they can show the woman produces less than fine.
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" Look at how the bargaining power of employees has decreased as unionization has decreased" I don't see that to be the case. "Hence why wages are going down, work hours are going up and benefits have gone down. " None of which is true when you break it down. ". Companies outsourced because they could pay people in 3rd world counties next to nothing" Mainly higher taxes and regulations. "Now you're claiming an employee has the same bargaining power as a multi-billionaire CEO?" Poor comparison. CEOs are limited and do highly skilled work. Without them there will be no company. But I never made that claim to begin with. "First you imply there's no way to determine what someone should be paid" Never said that. "how do you determine that a person needs to make themselves "more valuable"? Who said they're being paid what they're worth?" It isn't just me, it is everyone, including you. Do you pay $10 for a gallon of milk? I doubt it because it is not worth that much to you. As a result those that work in a grocery store are not paid that much.
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It is much more complicated than that. Many low skilled jobs you have a hard time measuring productivity. For example, you work as a janitor, how do you measure productivity? How do you measure productivity for a warehouse worker? I worked at Amazon warehouse and our only requirement was to move X amount of products in an hour. If you met that you were fine. Most just went with that number and moved on. That is why they are paid a low wage. Those that do well move up eventually. You also have salary workers. If you are productive you will get your work down in a less amount of time. So there is that side of it as well. Businesses just pay you a salary and say "you have to produce X", now it is up to you to do it in a certain amount of time. That is why high level jobs are paid on salary. One of many reasons. On ditch diggers and trashman it all comes down to how many people want your services. If 100 homes wants your services as a trashman then fine, you get paid more because you have 100 homes paying you. As I said, those businesses are usually small businesses that hire very few workers. In all the trash companies in my hometown they are partnerships where you have a handful of people running the business. So that is a poor comparison. " It's not the government setting eages, it's the government enforcing wages that were supposed to be paid in the first place, or demanding businesses account for why it pays employees different on no other basis than seemingly gender or race when employees of different genders or races on the same jobs at the same level have unequal wages despite having the same output." Again, how do you enforce that? How does the government determine output. Also, what is the cost benefit on that in terms of who pays for those government agencies to enforce that? Tax dollars or the businesses? Both of which cost money. You are saying the government can make the determination on if someone is paid based on their productivity but it is much more difficult than that. Every businesses is different. Pay is different. Right now I am paid on salary. I get my work done in half the time I am contracted for, thus I am paid more per hour. "When all non-discriminatory factors are taken into account and there is still a pay gap between employees of equal productivity, businesses need to account why this is happening." It is only around 2-3%, that is called noise. You can go elsewhere because if you are worth that much a rival company will see that and hire you for more pay as it is in their advantage to do that. I don't worry about how much my co-workers get paid, I worry about myself. " The majority of businesses pay people different for the same job based on race, gender and age. " Not true. In the end government should not be determining pay as they don't have a set way in doing it and will never set one.
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That pay gap exist because of numerous factors and not just because of race, sex or age. Asians earn more than whites, so does that mean businesses are racist towards whites now? Think about what you are saying. The young earn less because they are less experienced and have a weaker background. Blacks earn less because they are typically less educated. You are playing the race and sex card without looking beyond that. You 4-10% average is a wide range that you have yet to cite. And yes, 2-3% is noise in statistics. In my line of work I work within 5% error. Also, when you look into it deeper you find that men are more likely to hire women compared to women hiring men. Women are less likely to hire women and will typically hire only women. But there are no complaints there. In my university the AD was a woman. The top earning coach was the football coach, the next three were for women sports. When she retired she extended the contracts for all the coaches in women's sports, including the volleyball coach who won 7 games in 5 years. But no one complains about that because it is a woman doing it. " Do you have any idea how much tax money we waste on stuff like tax cuts for the wealthy, wars, corporate welfare, etc.? " Tax cuts are not a waste. I don't agree with corporate welfare or any type of welfare, and war is complicated. But just saying "tax cuts on the wealthy" shows, and not to be rude, your ignorance on economics. Tax codes are not that simple. A tax cut does not necessarily mean less revenue. "It's not that hard to cut from that waste pile to pay to enforce existing laws. " We have $20 trillion in debt. Anyway, there is also a constitutional standpoint as well in that he law is unconstitutional to begin with. "As for the penalties, any business that can't explain why they pay their female employees less for the same job even after all non-discriminatory factors are factored in could face having tax credits revoked or pay a fine or tax penalty. " And I bet businesses can easily show that their pay is justified, or they will just fire women so now they are earning $0, or hire nothing but women and pay them all less for the same work so now many men are earning $0. You are trying to simplify a complex issue here. When broken down you find out that a business is not discriminating with one exception, that is they will hire a friend or colleague over someone else. But that is simply working with connections.
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A86, you did not list any sources. Even at that, your 4-10% is a large range and thus is not reliable. Also, where is the evidence that it is because of discrimination? On top of that if you were to enforce such law you will either 1. force companies to fire women 2. force companies to fire men to replace them with women who are paid less Even at that there are numerous successful women out there. if a woman wants to be successful they can. Around 5% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are women. Why aren't they hiring more women to stick it to men? Because they, like the vast majority of CEOs, hire the best workers. I agree that humans are full of bias, but they are for other reasons besides sex, age and race. Also, if you are going to call out one bias than call out another. Why did a local high school football coach, who is black, hired only black assistants? Why did the AD in my college extend the contracts of all the women's coaches before she retired? You may cry bias and I will agree to a point, but you will never call out those issues. You call out the issues when women are supposedly paid less or blacks are paid less. Mary Barra is the CEO of GM. She can easily hire more women but instead hires workers who are the best and pays them as such. Oh, and by the way, she has an engineering degree.
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"Since tax cuts for the rich are usually not necessary, cause tax revenue shortfalls and don't cause employment to rise or wages to grow they are generally worthless. They're simply putting more money in the pockets of the wealthy at everyone else's expense since the bottom 90-95% of taxpayers end up having to foot the bill for the revenue shortfall." None of that is true. The rich are the ones who invest to create jobs and wealth. And yes, the law is unconstitutional. Show me where in the constitution the federal government has the authority to force companies how they pay their employees? The constitution is black and white thus that law is unconstitutional. If you want to make it a state law than fine, but as a federal law it is unconstitutional.
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A86, I know. Problem is that all these ultra liberals and feminists don't bring that up. They cry that women are misrepresented and are paid less. Well women may be paid less, but men die.
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